Name me a better villain than motherfucking Dr. Doom
I realize that in many stories he's the antagonist, but was he ever really a villain?
>>76941089Magneto at times and Lex Luthor at times. Also Superman when he’s evil is a terrifying thought.
>>76941089>Name me a better villain than motherfucking Dr. DoomIt's Dr Doom, but he tries to introduce himself as 'motherfucking Dr Doom' three times, gets it wrong three times, then leaves and comes back to try again.
>>76941164Dr. Doom does never fail, he merely halts temporally his inevitable success
>>76941980it's a /co/ reference
>>76941089You seem to have posted to a wrong board
>>76942008Oh... so I guess literally anyone who isn't from capeshit, then?
>>76941089Best villain themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd-dK8OqtVU&ab_channel=MFDOOM-Topic
>>76941089Dr. Sivana>>76941133>Evil SupermanIt's cliche and done to death
>>76941115Arguably he’s never the villain when being done right.Also >>76941089, Lǐn Xuě Yā
>>76941236It's hard to succeed if your opponend is litterly unbeatable
>>76942375big RIP DOOM
>>76943313He brought the Screaming Phoenix Killer back into the light, redeemed his heart and soul, then tore everything he cared about out from under him, killing dozens of respectable and high standing individuals to do so. In doing so creating and motivating a psychopathic murderer that would go on to kill countless. A murderer that Lin could have put an end to at any time, but chose not to because he thought it would be boring.Just because that bastard talks big and generally targets assholes doesn’t mean he’s anything less than a monster.
>>76943313>>76943644The fact that he's convinced dozens IRL that he isn't actually a bad guy just goes to show how good a villain he is.Sidenote: it's bullshit that puppet show has as good writing as it does
>>76943562Thanks for breaking the news to me.
>>76941942it's fun to remember that not only is Dr. D a "mad scientist" extraordinaire, he also went back in time to learn all magic ever developed.
>>76941089Doom is a great example of a certain type of villain, the bombastic incorruptible man "maybe he's right?" Kind of villain. There are lots of kinds of villain though and I don't think its accurate to say one can be the best
>>76943855easygoing asshole type villains are my favourite. They’re pretty rare though sadly.
>>76942608That's why he is the best X-Men villain around.
>>76941115He's a narcissistic manchild who wants to murder his former best friend and said former friend's loved ones because it's easier for him than considering the possibility he was wrong about something in college. He is an incelcore villain.
>>76943313Vapeduck is an absolute monster and he'd take advantage of your naivety wholeheartedly if it meant he could destroy some villain for his entertainment in the process. He wouldn't even spare a thought if this got you and your loved ones killed in the process.Lin is pure industrial-grade evil. The only reason he's not been killed is that no one in the setting is strong enough to do so.
>>76941089Doom is not Villain.Richards is the villain. He is a poor father as well.The world would be better under the benevolent iron fist of DOOM!
I love that DOOM can speak in ALL CAPS.
>>76942608He frequently causes horrific numbers of civilian casualties while only serving to hurt his own cause. If you want to go full Eren Yeager, you better be able to walk the walk.
>>76945663Victor, remember when you handed Reed's son over to demons so they'd assrape him forever?
>>76946256>>76945663Because I do.
>>76945982I've always read those lines as very slowly spoken in the first panel, and then very rapidly spoken in the second panel, and I laugh every time.
>>76945663Pretty sure it's been said in canon that Doom ruling the world is the best possible outcome for humanity.
>>76946566Not the best but it's one of the few that doesn't end with everyone dying to some cosmic threat.
>>76945663Based Doom. Best policy.
>>76944412Don't forget he admitted he thinks Reed is better than he is. All his power is just overcompensation for his inferiority complex.
>>76947229Whoever wrote this is a faggot retard who doesn't understand DOOM
>>76941089my dickit gets me into trouble, so its the bad guy
>>76941089The door? Like a peasant?
>>76942608Isn't he Jewish?
>>76941115His goal is good but his methods are not
>>76941089I heard that guy passed away
>>76946566He’s literally the only person who can put humanity on The Golden Path. But he’s a colossal dick about it so the “heroes” keep interfering with him.
>>76941089Doom is a whiny bitch boy that gets his ass kicked by the lamest of Marvel's superhero squads, maybe with the exception of Inhumans.Kingpin is a better/more interesting villain than Doom and he's just a very big mafia boss.
>>76943729The tech aspect of doom has always been the most boring part of him. The idea of this plate armoured sorcerer teleporting in and beating up the avengers is far cooler. Discount Iron Man (who himself is shit) isn't interesting.pic related is best Doom story.
>>76941089I literally can't
>>76941089Popeye is unironically the strongest character ever created and would be the perfect villain if you could figure out a way to smear him as one. He can canonically kill any anime character in a fight by reaching out of the cartoon world and beating the gook animators to death with his bare hands. The only characters that come close to his power are the cast of Family Guy since they can abuse the meta and instantly create a perfect situation that allows them to kill just about anyone sans Popeye since he'd just beat the Korean animators into a pulp.
>>76947983I believe so. At least in the new canon. I think there's a scene where he goes and hunts down Nazis in Argentina.
>>76950233He's always been, at bare minimum, of Jewish decent. iirc he's old enough to have been through concentration camps as a kid.Him being jacked as a 90+ year old man, however, probably has something to do with his mutations.
>>76941089ratigan all the way baby
>>76946566According to a space panther god Dr. Doom met in Africa he is literally mankind’s only hope to avoid extinction
>>76947229It seems to me that Doom as a FF antagonist and Doom as a marvel character in and of himself are two dramatically different entities in both characters and capability
>>76941089Me, i'm not fictional
>>76950660He's also been de-aged at least twice, once to the state of a toddler after which (possibly partially) restored
>>76943313Don’t his schemes almost always involve causing the wonton slaughter of innocent civilians?
>>76948067>Doom is a whiny bitch boyBut that's why he's fun when people who don't identify with him are writing him.
>>76947407Seething insecurity about Reed Richards is the essence of Doom
>>76942054>>76942016newfags, Dr Doom is beloved on /tg/, posting about him is an old tradition. it’s been too long
>>76951247if i were doom thats exactly the sort of bullshit i would make up as propaganda
>>76944434Why can't he make himself pretty with his science?
>>76944871under rated post. Dukat is an easy top 5 best villains on TV.
>>76954350He'll always find something new that makes him hideous. If it's not that tiny scar, it's that his canthal tilt is too low. If it's not that, it's that his wrists are too thin.
>>76949767The part where he is considered 3rd to save humanity and refuses to help because he wasn't come to first makes me laugh. He's just such a prideful prick.
>>76954498>not posting the whole fight leading up to that partWeak.
>>76954567Give Ben your lunch money, Vic.
>>76954498Wasn't there a storyline where Ben reveals that *he* was the one who tampered with Doom's machine in college, causing Doom to have a breakdown because he can't accept it?Reminder that Ben Grimm only thinks of himself as dumb because he's standing next to Reed Richards - he's still a qualified astronaut with degrees in multiple fields.
>>76954787If I recall, that particular Doomwank said it was evil alternate universe counterparts of Ben and Reed. With Present Day Doom's blessing, of course.Giving F4 to Bynre was a mistake.
>>76954816It's always alternate universe, or a doombot, or a clone.
>>76954816Not as bad as Waid.
>>76954339Sure that's not Thulsa Doom?
>>76954876Aspie hands wrote this post.
>>76942675>>76943313>>76943644>>76943709>>76944843Thinking about it, and re-watching S1 in anticipation of S1, he's pretty much Chaotic Evil. He's a pretty good example of how an entirely amoral character motivated purely by search for thrills, and sadistic thrills at that, can still work as a part of a group. Maybe not a useful example for a PC in a roleplaying game, as I don't think very many people could pull it off, but still.
>>76955534The fuck sorta connection is that? Waid's a cunt with a miles wide hateboner for Doom and only has any clout because he scored good artists for his 80% shit daredevil run that plagiarized fucking Shocker fanfiction.
doom is such a retarded characteryou can't have a proper villain if you also write him so that he can't lose no matter whatat some point you go straight into villain sue territory, and doom passed that ages ago
>>76954546Kills one really drunk Jedi knight, gets cut in half by Jedi intern.
>>76955789His Daredevil run was indeed shit, but this much seethe could only come from someone who sees Doom as an aspirational figure. Someone who is like Doom. An autist who resents having to emotionally open up to other people, having to make sense of other people's feelings, having to explain yourself to them, having to risk being told 'no'.You look at Doom, and see an autist like you. But Doom has a country full of people who have no choice but to just go along with what he says, because Doom is always right. Just like you are always right. You wish you too had the power to force people to obey you and your superior intellect. You love it when other lonely, damaged autists like Byrne and Hickman come in and write a universe that agrees with Doom-and by proxy, you-that he knows what's best. Where Doom-and you-never actually fuck up, and when you do it's because it's really someone else's doing.Get help, Doomfag.
>>76941089>His whole character is being second best at everythingHow would he be the best villain if he's always second best?
>>76956638I don't see how "Doom literally did it to himself " by Byrne is pro Doom.
Doom gives me vibes similar to Settra.
>>76942052god capeshit is dumb
>>76946256>>76946276franklin is one of the most dangerous beings to ever exist. seems like a good idea .
>>76946256>>76946276Waid FF was probably THE most out of character Doom has ever been, including several spinoffs and self aware parody shorts.Like, I get his main trait is being mad jelly of Reed, but not to the point of throwing out ALL his other character traits like being a fucking Mama's boy Waid threw that out to the point he IIRC finally saves her from hell only to skin her alive and wear her as magic armor.Basically everyone ignores it.>>76959387Seems like a way to have a god take out his PTSD on the universe.
>>76959855>Waid threw that out to the point he IIRC finally saves her from hell only to skin her alive and wear her as magic armor.Nah, that was his girlfriend.
>>76960306Thanks, either way, still dumb.
>>76941089Can't he's up there with the great comic book villains like Magneto, The Joker, The Riddler, and Big Wheel.
>When the hero's wife and child are unable to be saved no matter what he does, do you let them suffer and watch? A smaller villain might. But not Doom. No, Doom saved them. Why you ask? Because now whenever the hero looks at the most precious things in his life, when he holds what he loves most of all, he will always be forever reminded that in that moment you were his better. You did what he could not. And nothing will ever take that away.
>>76951247Not "only" but one of the few possible states of the universe that don't have earth and its people all die to some cosmic threat. But yes, hail Doom, may forever his iron will protect us.
>>76941089Personally, I really like Negan from the Walking Dead. He's over the top, charismatic, stubborn, sadistic, but he thinks it's all necessary to keep some sort of order in the post-apoc world. It's like he thinks if he can get a monopoly on chaos, there's no other choice for everyone else than to pick order.
>>76954498>he may never gain enough confidence to attack us againI know everyone and their dog likes to hang a lampshade on it, but has anyone ever actually held a capeshit hero accountable for "mercifully" sparing the mass-murdering supervillain that no one else can truly deal with?
>>76961176Only when other writers want to be edgy
>>76941135The maker is fucking terrifying. The maker + doom is even scarier
Hohohohoho Well arent you a cute little speck of nothing.
HIM.Mojo Jojo is good too, but not as good as transvestite satan with lobster claws.
>>76944871>When you're such a chad that you kidnap a rival's son and abandon him on Bajor to be raised by people who hate him just so you can embarass him about it eight years later.
>>76961176First off, it's not a superhero's job to execute people, especially not the FF who are more explorer scientists (please ignore Johnny) than vigilantes.Secondly, as Reed noted, Doom has diplomatic immunity. Killing him could lead to a war with Latvaria(?). A war that the United States DOES NOT want.
>>76941089I'll go with the BIG Guy. The one with the big headgear.
>>76955866But Doom loses all the time.
A lot of villains can ruin your life, but I can only think of one dude bad enough to ruin your life while performing a parody of your theme song.
Luna GirlShe gains power from the moon. Her moon remote thing can mutate plants, control moths, and STRAIGHT UP PULL THE MOON INTO THE EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE TO GAIN MORE POWER.
>>76962324Isn’t that the one that had a fetish comic written about her getting kidnapped by a foot fetishist dyke?
>>76941089Me is a better villain than Dr. Doom
>>76941089It's a hard-fought thing, but only one Doom can stand against another.
>>76954405You should be banned.All Fantastic Four comics that do not feature DOOM victorious are pure fanciful propaganda created at the behest of Richards.Union assuming the rightful mantle of emperor of mankind, DOOM shall have the authors of such soon be be treasonous dribble executed and purveyors of such wretched libel banished to work camps where they should animate the true tales of DOOM for the edutainment of the children. After a good night's sleep and a balanced breakfast, of course.
>>76954830Anytime Doom loses has been convincingly proven to be a Doombot.
>>76955331Can't be Thulsa Doom. If it was, this thread would be filled with bitches.
>>76960636BidibidibidiI'm coming for your tiddis.
>>76961562Please, you're vision is as short sighted as your own pitiful stature. A galactic empire that makes the world tremble and all you can do is laugh like an elderly woman while moving from planet to planet? A wish for immortality? Even your own objectives serve only to display your own pathetic and smile minded fears. And a, what was it again, oh yes "power level" of a mere million? That type of calculation might scare those who need to take of their shoes to count but to one such as Doom who's intellect is incalculable your petty threats and boasts are like the threat of children. So go. Blow up some wretched rock in the far reaches of the cosmos. Doom has real machinations to fom.
>>76966128Stop posting Doom
>>76962552 YOU WERE JUST LIKE ME
>>76968520Doom does as Doom wishes
>>76948008>>76942675What is Dr Doom "done right", what are his goals? Lex Luthor I understand but I don't really get Dr Doom, beyond how humourous some of his dialogue can be.
>>76968367It's hard to take this seriously when Doom is just a scaled down version of frieza.
>>76941115He is in Fantastic 1234.
>>76943313>>76942675Remember when you got dabbed on by a based retard fox, you fucking stuck up vapeduck? Do you? Because I do, and god was it glorious.
>>76960779>tfw Kitiara pulled the exact same power move in Dragonlance, saving Tanis and his elven gf just so he could remember forever that they are both alive because she loved him.
>>76962323shid - ok, point to jafar for stealing your wench, your genie, then taking the piss out of you with your own theme song
>>76966648This just feels like the author having a fit that villains can have motivations beyond "very very bad evil no good jerk who does bad."I'm not about to pretend Doom is a good dude or anything, but I can't take this as anything other than a demand to view the world in black and white and ignore all complexity.
>>76971435It's more of an "Why does Pym (or whatever the fuck he calls himself at the present moment) get treated like Hitler for hitting his wife when fans kiss the very dirt that Dr Doom steps upon" kind of thing.Even then you can be right but still be morally reprehensible.
>>76944871>call the person who would enjoy your untimely demise, waking her up in the middle of the night, just to tell her you banged her mumHow can anyone else compete?