Previously:>>76925536>>76925536>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the OFFICIAL format philosophy, laid down by the rules committee:https://mtgcommander.net/>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.http://www.edhrec.com/>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity.http://mtglands.com/>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices.http://www.tappedout.net>CARD SEARCHhttps://scryfall.com>Thread Question:What is the favorite card you obtained for free? (Found, given as a gift, etc.)
I love watching Shivamposter get snippy but, the moment he gets backhanded - silence. Keep being yourself, Smuggie.
>>76937550Don’t bring drama into the new thread, that just encourages the fag to continue.
>>76937550Make sure to wash your hands after you circlejerk.
How much longer does this game have until we get a reset?
>>76937600Get rekt n00b.
>>76937530The same reason why they thought pic related was okay.
>>76937586What happends when a TCG dies? I read some stories about the VTM card game but i don't know much about it, do cards get more expensive? Forgotten? What about the community?
>>76937499your moms v card
>>76937550smuggie has cancer and will be dead soon>>76937586reset what with the game? You aren't being forced to play
Real Brainlet Hours, will i draw a card if i bolt a stuffy doll whit this fella on board?
>>76937631When no new cards are made the supply dries up and the price crashes because there's no interest and there's no more paying tournaments.
>>76937662If it's you opponent's, yes.
>TQFriends had a pile of mtg cards just laying around and I hadn’t played since mirrodin and not a lot. I really really love this guys art and asked if it was alright if I use him. They didn’t mind at all and were honestly kind of careless about it.decided to build him as my first edh deck. I still have him constructed, just retired it. Turns are solitaire and I like faster gameplay. Still love this nigga though
>>76937618I dont play any of the formats on the file name, is there more to this than just being a 1 drop green counterspell with a cantrip?
>>76937662obviously it hits stuffy doll for 3 which can't kill it
>>76937631MTG is like The Simpsons...It's been dead for long, yet it keeps going for a purely financial reason
>>76937631It varies from TCG to TCG, depending heavily on its' popularity.If WotC announced TODAY that no more cards were being printed, then you can bet your ass that most cards would be devalued instantly. However, the reserved list, as well as other cards that had criminally small print runs, would hold value (and creep up) over time, since they're now guaranteed to be a collector's item. Standard and Pioneer would die overnight. Modern, Pauper, and EDH players would linger for a long time, depending on their local groups, before moving on. Old School MTG and Cube would be completely unaffected, since they already are formats completely untouched by WotC or the greater Magic as a whole. Kitchen Table fun with friends would linger a while, as well, so long as people are interested. In short; the average card becomes worthless and the majority of formats die, but the game would linger on in some form, forever. >>76937692That's true to an extent, but we know from the Harry Potter and Transformers TCGs that highly-sought-after cards retain their value well even long after a game has died. Even some OG Dragonball cards fetch quite a lot. Hell, even completely-unusable Yugioh cards from the Bandai game go for a fucking MINT.
>>76937586They're not going to reset the game at this point. They know they wouldn't have the goodwill to get people to sign on to Magic 2.0 after having all their collections wiped. It's the same reason there will never be a World of Warcraft II--people want to keep using their old things while also getting new ones. And, after 4e, WotC is fully aware that people will prioritize continuing to play with their extant toys if you push too hard.>>76937631I don't think we can really compare directly to TCGs that have died before. Most of them died due to failing to get fully off the ground or slowly losing their customer base, not slamming into a brick wall after dominating the market for two decades.>What about the community?Given that you're talking about a nonrotating fan-made format, a decent amount would still hang around even if WotC stopped printing cards tomorrow. But that also means that the game wouldn't really fully die--as long as people were still playing in some capacity, WotC could at any time decide to start printing cards again and pick up where they left off.
>>76937662If I remember Stuffy Doll correctly, it deals the relevant damage, not the bolt.Assuming the Stuffy Doll was yours.>creature... an opponent controls>Giant, Wizard, or spell you controlledYou don't get it from the initial damage to your own Doll, and the Doll's damage is an ability of a non-Giant/Wizard permanent, not a spell.
>>76937692Maybe 1% of the playerbase has ever cared about paying tournaments.
>>76937768But that's what drives the collectors market
>>76937662>120.4a First, if an effect is causing damage to be dealt to a creature and that effect specifies that excess damage is dealt to another object or player instead, the damage event is modified to deal damage accordingly. Excess damage is damage greater than lethal damage that would be dealt to a creature. Lethal damage is the creature’s toughness minus damage marked on that creature and other damage being dealt to it at the same time as this damage. Any damage greater than 1 is excess damage if the source dealing that damage has deathtouch.Lethal damage doesn't take into account whether or not a creature has indestructible. So, assuming you were talking about an opponent's Stuffy Doll, yes.
So I found this cool dude in a pack, and have decided to make him my next commander, aristocrat burn theme.So stuff like furnace celebration is excellent, tymaret the murder king, but I dont know to many cool things in rakdos colours, anyone got any spontaneous thoughts?Also Kediss and some form unblockable can be instant win.
There are more than enough cards printed that WotC could stop now and we'd be fine (and arguably better off for our format)
>>76937802That hasn't been true for a while now.
>>76937809claws of gix will do wonders for him
>>76937802I've seen many kitchen table players who absolutely refused to play with anything else than official, expensive cardboard. In fact the majority of people I've played with were spending a ton on the game, while never even as entering a LGS
>>76937838I thought you were joking until i saw it said permanent and not creature, that is damn nice!>>76937840cracked one of these also, didnt realize the connection at the time. This card is already auto includeThanks peeps, also what are some good sac targets? I know reassembling skelly, and Sanitarium skelly, but is it worth to put Squee in something like this or?
>>76937719At worse, you can use it as a 1 mana instant speed cantrip. At best it's a 1 mana counterspell that cantrips. Either way, it's never a dead card in most formats since blue is probably the most common color played in eternal formats.
>>76937809>key rakdos cardsStormfist Crusader Magus of the WheelRevel in RichesPlaguecrafterMayhem DevilJudith, Scourge DivaGrave Pact (expensive)Blood ArtistPriest of Forgotten GodsTheatre of HorrorsWound ReflectionRite of the Raging StormZulaport CuthroatFalkenrath NobleBastion of RemembranceAnd of course the obvious Bedevil, Terminate, Dreadbore, etc
>>76937920>steal all the creatures on board>swing out and delete someone from the game>sacrifice everything so they don't get it back and Juri gets fuckhugeIf someone tries to remove him before he gets to swing again, you sacrifice him and dome them out as punishment.
>>76937920>>76937955Forgot pic.If you're running enough Grave Pact effects, Tergrid could also be spicy.
>>76937499>TQA friend gave me a french version of pic related on our last game night before he had to move across the country for work. I was trying to trade for it but I didn't have anything he was looking for so he just gave it to me as a parting gift. It has a fond place in my heart and my Feldon deck.
>>76937920Assemble the Legion and Grave Titan are both good picks
>>76937954Let's not forget the best B/R card>>76937968Nice. I still need to get a German version
>>76938008>Assemble the Legion>Rakdos
>>76938008Dreadhorde Invasion, not assemble the Legion
>>76938014Oh an auto include in any BR deck>>76938025
>>76937499I found a Conjurer's Closet once, but this was my favorite gift ever, back when she was only like $30.
>>76937955I have thought about this, the mob rule/insurrection, but is it better to have 1 big steal all, or many small targeted steals?>>76937954This is a nice list, Revel in riches can be really fun, and mayhem devil is just extra clean nice gravy. Thanks!
How many ramp spells do I play In a landfall deck?I’m at 14 direct ramp spells, 3 draw cards play an additional land type affects and 6 repeatable ways to bounce lands back to my hand, 4 static ways to play Additional lands.My current payoff is avenger of zendikar/gruul omnath for token value and then finale of devastation with no real target so I’m just banking on x being 10 or more also mass manipulation as a side payoff I can put craterhoof or endraze forerunner in as a target but waiting on mail How do I best abuse omnath
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Why are the bond lands not included in every commander precon?
>>76937499My LGS owner gave me the Commander's Arsenal oversized Sliver Queen recently as a gift.
>>76938080Same reason fetches aren't printed more often
>>76937963Tergrid could be fine spice, also do you know which god he represents? >>76938008You are not wrong
>>76938071why buy tokens?
Thoughts on this nigga?
Why is a foil Seraph Sanctuary 10 dollars?
>>76938059These are the cards that I’ve cut sans lotus cobra which I don’t know what to pull out for it, should I keep phylath in if I already have avenger of zendikar?Is nyxbloom ancient overkill when I only have 3 X spells? Hydroid krasis seems like an overall good card but idk if it’s worth playing because it’s just good, it has no other synergy in the deck and I’m already playing sphinx’s revelation and have a lot of card advantage enchantments/creatures already...I play 13 ramp spells and 1 sylvan caryatid, I’m debating switching it for a lotus cobra but Idk if I’d rather have the guaranteed mana over having more value on something that can be Pinged out immediately...I am playing 2 hard counters (neutralize and sublime epiphany) and then commit to memory can delay a spell but I play it more to get my cards back in case of a wrath. I think that elspeth conquers death is really good removal, in my any permanent removal slot I have detention sphere because I feel like the ability to kill a bunch of tokens is more valuable than elspeth conquers deaths 2nd and 3rd ability...I think one of my more cheeky includes is risen reef with gruul omnath/zendikars took, its really fun when it works but idk if that’s just putting too much variance in it. Any opinions on these maybes? Any ideas for some good tech?
>>76938014is rakdos charm literally the best of charms? Even the worst aspect of it is still high value
>>76938204biggest disappointment of pre FIRE cards
>>76938071No pic but I got all the stuff to build my Nevinyrral God tribal yesterday>>76938186Because terese nielsen made some based tokens, those ones aren't bad either but you need to clean your fingernails
>>76938229>>76938272Is he at least good in the 99 to deter people from attacking you?
>>76938231I hate your fucking playmat
>>76938204What 5c legends should've been, but now we have Kenrith, Golos, and their goodstuff ilk.
>>76938225TCGPlayer has it for 2 bucks>>76938204Walking disappointment>>76938248I'm a big evolution charm fan
>>76938059Nice angle on the photo, kinda what I'd expect from a landfall player.
>>76938328No, it doesn't. Check the actual listings for a nm one.
>>76938204hes literally only good as a "tutor" option as Scion of the ur dragon, and even then i think i rather drag out drakuseth or tyrants familiar 98% of the time rather than o-kagashit
>>76938248This one's one of my favorites
>>76938248I don't see any other charm played as often, so I would say it's definitely a contender.
>>76938344You never specified NM. I always grab HP
>>76938204It should have either been when O-Kagachi attacks a player or whenever an opponent attacks you with a creature. Either one would be fine, but this many hoops is absurd.
ice age or cold snap snow covered mountain?
>>76938248Probably this or boros, but I love sultai charm, its nice and versatile.
>>76937499>TQDrafted Battlebond with a friend and ended up placing first. Bro said if he pulled related card he'd give it to me, and there it was.
>>76938395Why? Is it just because it's cheaper? Because when it comes to foils the damage shows up a lot worse so I always try to go for nm for foils.
>>76938398I agree. I mean, he's 6 cmc and 5 color, they could've pushed him a bit more.
>>76938399I prefer my lands with rules text but that might be just me
Reminder that unless your commander comes from dominaria or kaldheim you shouldn't be using snow lands, use the lands from the plane your commander is from you animals.
>>76938398It should have been "whenever you or a permanent you control becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, exile target permanent that player controls."
>>76938443ya thats the thing, i dont really but i love the art
>>76938474but I like full-arts
>>76938498You like the full art snow lands? But why? Do you have a thing for ugin?
>>76938480I wouldn't mind a Karmic Justic legend>>76938474I mean I guess he's technically from Dominaria...
>>76938231Phylath is decent redundancy, a good keep if you're basic-heavy.Nyxbloom Ancient is a bait winmore card in this deck IMO, only keep it if you have some free slots left. The Krasis is good value and a decent finisher should the game go long enough, your call if you think its worth it.I actually think your ramp package is a little small for a dedicated lands deck. I'd try and squeeze the cobra in there without removing what's already there. Your interaction suite sounds pretty small, I'd try and hit at least 10 in the list even if you have to cut some more "fun" cards.Risen Reef is decent value, worth a slot if you have the space, not mandatory tech though.
>>76938474>90% of the cards in any non-craw/vorthos deck will never be from the same plane as the commander>but those basic lands better be!Why bother? Pick arts you like. Use chaff basics you have around. Use basics that have a unified mood or aesthetic, regardless of the set they're from.
>>76938538No, full-art in general, regardless if they're from my commanders plane.
>>76938548He's originally from Dominaria, and he's only in sets that are relevant to the broader narrative of Dominaria. He's definitely fine by that metric.Anon got the tism though.
>>76938474>use the lands from the plane your commander isBasics, sure, but so many non-basics are from random planes
>>76938059I play 24 hard land ramp cards in my ramp deck
Is this the peak tribalfag card advantage?
>tfw you get your deck so optimized so making a single cut for a new card takes hours of planning and play testing
I just know this is gonna be used by a dude in my group and he will snap scoop if they get something even a little better than what he countered
>>76938678Maybe, but its blue, most tribal decks aint blue.But this in a merfolk deck is probably nuts, with all their islandwalk/unblockable stuff.
>>76938711Tell him he’s not allowed to play the next game with your group if he pulls that shit?
>>76938732Wasn't it originally in Ur Dragon? I'd imagine it's really good in any tribes like dragons that are viable in 5c. Zombies, dragons... What else?
So this is probably in the top 10 of greatest white cards ever printed..right?
>>76938304Why. I drew it myself.Water spilled on it unfortunately but I like it a lot
>>76938678Vanquisher's Banner is cheaper and slightly worse but colorless
>>76938773isnt the exile zone and adventure zone the same thing?
>>769387555c or with blue** I worded that like a retard. Zombies arent 5c.
>>76938751He already does it any time shit doesnt go his way and I'm the only one who complains
>>76938186Got more pics?
>>76938755I have 3 different zombie decks that could run it, but I don't. There's plenty of good draw that's cheaper than a 5 drop.
>>76938418Is that the best version of the art?
>>76938773It's nice, Anon but>playing cards with Companion or AdventureISHYGGDT
>>76938820Easily. The other arts are dogshit
>>76938820It is objectively the worst.
>>76938773I hate your layout>removed from the game zones closer the the center than the GY>no division between>permanents that generate mana and permanents that can deal combat damage
>>76938773Even the dragon has a look on his face like "why the fuck do you have adventure and companion zones?"
>>76938820>best version of the artlike all cards its the original
>>76938773Are you going to add a new box for Foretell or just accept that these mechanics all go to exile?
>>76938709posted in the wrong thread. please halp
>>76938833>>76938835This board never changes.
>>76937499God I want to use this bird so bad. Slot it right in my Derevi deck... but um... They don't work together. At all. Every other commander marginally benefits, but not that one.What kind of decks work with the bird here? Foretell, yeah, great, what else? I'd say flash back or suspend but those are usually U, R, B and generally don't want to be running white at all. So what does work without hard shoehorning white into existing archetypes.
>>76938843Eh, I have a hard time playing the original version of Pattern of Rebirth over the UMA art. But in general I agree with you
>>76938871Elsha likes that bird a lot.
>>76938766For EDH, yes. It's in the top 20. Not sure it would make my top 10, but I haven't actually sat down and made a list.
>>76938789Yes and no. WotC uses the same "exile" language for all of these niche situations, but Adventures get exiled where you can still access them, while plain exiled cards have scant tools that let you interact with them and fewer to none still will ever be run by an average player. Having separate "Exiled but I can still access it" "Exiled for real" zones is reasonable.
>>76938854This and Nature's Revolt.
>>76938843Often true, but not in this case.
>>76938854>EVERYONENatural Affinity>I just want to fuck over specific players>old G Kamahl and old Jolrael
>>76938899That ignores the fact that those things that DO interact with general exile can fuck with adventure, foretell, and suspend. Hell, that's the entire reason that the first exile interaction cards were printed at all.
>>76938826Please use the doll to show us where where the Murderous Rider touched you.
>>76938910>wayne reynoldsBased, I love that guy.
>>76938789My opponents in my local area were confused enough times that I added it in, if something is on adventure it goes in the adventure exile, if it is exiled permanently I put it in the exile pile. It also helps that it made the boxes more pleasing to have 6 rather than 5.>>76938826I have lurrus in my burn deck but yeah I agree, adventure is a good mechanic though, nothing broken about it.>>76938839It started out as only library command zone, graveyard and exile, I added when it became relevant, hence the weird order, but yes I agree Should I make a bottom 3rd division for mana? I might but I felt like it could box me into placing them a certain way, I tend to move my llanowar elves with my lands sometimes and my sol ring in my nonland permanents area, I don’t know why, maybe a dividing line would help with that >>76938841That’s fair >>76938853Depends on how relevant foretell becomes I suppose, if it becomes really relevant I might add it, but if it’s occasional then who knows
>>76938910The old art makes more sense with the cardname but I do like the newer art better on it's own. The hydra plaque makes no sense with the card name we should be looking at a scene of harvest season or something.
>>76938939>>76938961Adventure is fucking gay. One of the many reasons Eldraine is one of the most pushed sets ever with some of the most banned cards
>>76937499Not really free, but when rtr was in standard I traded a bunch of shit rares to a guy for a Geist of St. Traft, a Sphinx's Rev, two copies of Doran, and a Jitte.
>>76939007Holy shit it's grimace
>>76938910what the hell is even going on in the OG art? A bunch of crystals getting fondled by roots?
>>76939007>google image search>the only result is this threadDear God...
>>76938668Can you elaborate on your list? I was playing 16 hard ramp spells but I found that combined with my fetches I ran out of basics too quickly, I’m only playing like 17 basics. I guess I’m focusing on land recursion over ramp, to get all omnath ability’s every turn even if my hand is empty, you know? I could be playing it wrong but I’d love to hear about your list >>76938554My interaction suite is currently heliods intervention, detention sphere, settle the wreckage, ondus inversion, mass manipulation, and if you count counters then neutralize, sublime epiphany, and commit to memory (not really a counter but interaction slot)Do you have any recommendations or a list you run?
>>76938900>only 5 manaSeems pretty good.
>>76939061I've seen it before>>769389965cmc in green is like 3 cmc in any other color
>>76938711One time before the tuck rule I chaos warped a commander back into itself. I lit my only copy of chaos warp on fire. I don't regret it.
>>76939005Adventure is just a spin off of entwine, split cards etc, just that it has a permanent on the other end instead, I don’t think anything is unfair or broken about it and no adventure cards have been banned or as far as I know been problematicThe best adventure cards are brazen borrower and bonecrusher giant and I would hardly call them broken, at most bonecrusher giants static ability is a little pushed for a 3 drop
>>76939108>underpowered kamigawa legendAAAAAAAAAAGHHH IM GONNA VOOOOOORTHOS!
>>76939108I'd play pic related if they ever printed lands as legendary.
>>76939108thats some fuckin delicious flavor text god damn
>>76938938If you run Riftsweeper as removal and not recovery, you're playing in a way more interesting meta than I've ever seen. It doesn't matter, You the player, will naturally care less about "this card got Path'd oh well, maybe next game" than "I Praetor's Grasped this and I actually intend to cast in one of these turns."Those exiles serve different purposes, even if you could equally interact with them with the scant tools available.I still don't think a player can interact with a card they own that I exiled face down with Praetor's Grasp. I could give that card back with some BFZ eldrazi because an opponent owns the card and it doesn't specify face up or face down, but the removal for Suspend cards specify "face-up exiled card".White needs that "Exile all exiled cards" idea.
>>76938961>Should I make a bottom 3rd division for mana? I might but I felt like it could box me into placing them a certain way, I tend to move my llanowar elves with my lands sometimes and my sol ring in my nonland permanents area, I don’t know why, maybe a dividing line would help with thatDon't worry about it too much. I only pay attention to it because when I played as a kid I put my lands towards the top, like "it's the frontier between my territory and my opponent's territory, we have to cross those lands to attack each other." Then coming back to the game I realized nobody else did that.
>>76938056Dreadhorde Butcher also goes in any deck I make that has B and R
>>76939313Based Stratego Chad>>76939228Yeah, I shame that Kamigawa legends were as weak as they were flavorful
>>76939352>Based Stratego ChadYou give me way to much credit. I was a kid and my friend and his dad never corrected me about it. It was just how I imagined the "you're two wizards summoning creatures and fighting each other" narrative.
>No Gruul yet>Trolls are RG>only 2 Trolls spoiledThey must be absolute ass.
>>76939352it feels bad sometimes. but honestly i like it. im a firm believer in function over flavor but i think its fine that theyre bad. i go by the "the only truly bad cards are the ones you dont remember"
What other cards could I use for a DOOM theme deck? Who's a good commander?
>>76939431I've tried this. I made Kresh my doomguy
>>76938773Not a fan of the zones drawn on it, but your dragon looks neat.
Do you love angels?>"Firja's Punishment">1WWB>Enchantment - Saga>I: Create a 4/4 Angel Warrior creature token with flying and vigilance.>II: Until the end of turn, Angels you control gain "T: Destroy target creature with power less than the power of this creature.">III: Angels you control gain double strike until the end of turn.
>>76939554>wish for angel support>it's fucking orzhovWhat did I do to deserve this?
>>76938871Pretty nice in Vadrok
>>76939570Angels are a WB tribe now
>>76939596But they're supposed to be white's iconic race. Why is wotc doing this? White and black are fucking enemies even!
>>76939570Touching yourself at night
>>76939605White is getting phased out of Magic
>>76939570>>76939605I like my valkyries a bit black
>>76937662D_TH_NGDR_WC_RD>pat, I'd like to solve the puzzle
>>76939614But I don't do that, I stay pure for the LORD.>>76939617Why would they do that?>>76939619That's wrong, angels are supposed to be a primarily white tribe, there's no reason for them to be regularly cooperating with their enemy color. Back in my day angels specifically left out black because they dislike it so much.
>>76937499>What is the favorite card you obtained for free?
>>76939645Because white is r*cist
>>76939645Also>inb4 muh alpha fallen angelThat shit's supposed to be rare as fuck, and the fallen angels from alpha were specifically angels who were mind controlled by a crown of thorns.
>>76937903Little known fact: Assgas Dragon is considered a delicacy to zombies
>>76938248I'd say Boros and Golgari give it a run for its money
>>76939675Sorry, not crown of thorns, it's a horned halo. Which was a rare magical artifact that could be used to mind control an angel.
>>76938204I know some hate it when cards reference other cards that it appeared on, but if you're gonna make the trigger that obtuse, at least make the payoff tremendous.
>>76939619Is that Hrist?Where is that from?
>>76939468Ooh he sounds pretty good, you've got a list? What sort of stuff did you run?
>>76939418It would definitely appear so. I hope there's a big dumb beater that slots in Xenagos well.
>>76939758>Is that Hrist?Yes>Where is that from?The gacha game. She deserves a protagonist role in a new game
Why is all of the Snow stuff in KHM just boring value plays and not flavorful things like pic related? Is focising on Sultai really having that much of a warping effect?
>>76939865>Focussing on sultaiHave you ungrateful whitefags forgotten the tutor that gains you snow life we bestowed upon you?
>>76939704I think we can all agree dimir is easily the worst
>>76939865This card looks too complicated for the average Standard player
>>76939912Oh thank the almighty wotc gods for such a boon. A whole 3 life for playing snow lands. Hazzah
>>769399121. Not a Whitefag2. Yes
>>76939984>A boonFuck you racist, guess we can't give you good stuff in the future. Asshole.
Lads, we'll never achieve flavor of this caliber again, will we?
>>76940043Obviously not, what made you think we would in the first place?
>>76940058Blind hope, I guess
>>76940043lol no magic has been dead at a spiritual level for nearly a decade now
>>76939865Legit. There ain’t a single snow card that freeze anyone and weve yet to see what this magic silver bullet snow hate card is suppose to be. The fact that wotc devs keep gushing about snow lands only to ignore questions about how it’s being implemented and looking like it’s just here to power creep basic lands is kinda concerning. Then again, Fleischer said the only reason they did it was because that’s what the focus groups said they wanted after modern horizons. Theyre slaves to marketers
>>76940123We'll see non snow hate this set, but no snow hate. I'd bet money.
>>76939554Its a good thing its 4 CMC so that it DOESNT WORK with the new Angel that recurs 3 CMC and below things from your graveyard. Yes, I know she sucks.
How does it feel knowing that your format is the cancer killing magic, and that every disaster of a decision that WoTC has made for the last several years has been about getting the paypigs of your format to open their wallets?
>>76939570>oh no the angel support promotes running the best-looking angelsThis is a fucking home run man
>>76940171Feelin' pretty good man, I hate wotc and I'm proud of being one of the people that helped kill their cash cow.
>>76940165>the new Angel that recurs 3 CMC and below things from your graveyardThe new angel only recurs things 2 CMC or lower. Even worse, the Orzhov angel legend of the set doesn't even do anything with angels and probably discourages an angel strategy overall since angels are high CMC generally so casting two in one turn is difficult.
>>76939920It's actually probably simic.>combat trick sucks>bounce sucks>protection is middling and wont stop wipes like boros or golgariDimir at the very least has the capacity to cuckold top of library tutors which can be a powerful interaction, or destroy certain combo pieces. Feels weird to remember simic used to suck. If simic charm were printed today it would probably read>counter target non creature spell or ability>destroy target non creature permanent>look for a land and put it onto the battlefield
>>76939605You know the best dragon tribal decks are multicolor, right? Despite that being red's iconic creature type?
>>76940171Shouldn't you be at /mmg/ yelling about merchants, blacks or something else?
>>76940195>running the best looking angelsWhat? But the best looking ones are all white anon. Also what's the point of making an angel deck if you're going to corrupt it with other lesser colors?
>>76939675>were specifically angels who were mind controlled[Citation needed]
>>76939645>Back in my day angels specifically left out black because they dislike it so much.Back in mine, they were black and brought in white when they felt like it.
>>76940199Sorry, but WoTC is only being rewarded for their bad behavior, thanks to you EDH-playing paypigs.>>76940221Maybe. But I decided to come down to this fucking shitpit to yell at you squealing paypigs.
>>76940223You're already running the least color, every other color is a step up.I'm honestly a little sad they didn't go for full Mardu angel tribal, but doing color pairs instead of triads was probably the right call for the plane.
>>76940227>Fallen Angels were Serra angels, crowned with a Horned Halo, who were under the command of an Angel Keeper. Fallen angels tended to require sacrifices to remain strong. These were very powerful creatures, used by wizards as a means to gain more power. According to a Dominarian fable, an angel who dies as a fallen angel dies forever.The most famous fallen angel was Trine. Another was controlled by the wizard Dreygar in the western Domains.https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/AngelThere are also angels of vengeance, which I hadn't noticed earlier, but they're still a rare exception, and it mentions them being forced to commit acts against their nature.>>76940253Wrong. Once again they were very rare, in fact I'm pretty sure that's the only one like that, can't remember any off the top of my head.
>>76937499>TQ>A Worldwake JtMS, FRF Ugin, and 4 whole Commander 2016 decks>Blogpost incomingMy old neighbor was an owner of an LGS that went out of business. He and his wife were nice, but we didn’t talk much. My wife and I played lots of MtG in our living room during college, so they could probably hear us coming and going. One night, we hear a knock on the door and it’s our neighbor. He just gave us the last of his Magic cards, as he wasn’t interested in the game anymore. He didn’t want any money, just for us to enjoy the cards.I think he blamed MtG in part for why his store failed, as he wanted to cater to a different crowd but needed to lean on the game for income. If you happen to be a fa/tg/it, Rhett, I just want you to know we still play with all those cards. I actually have a functional UW Control Modern deck thanks to you. I hope you, your wife, and your rabbits are well.
>>76940171>your the ones killing the game!>no its not WotC the people who print the things in the first place its you!lmao gtfo faggot
>>76940272Yes I know, and eventually the game is going to crash and burn because of what they're doing, and I think that's a wonderful thing.
>>76940291>the source is a prerevisionist comickek
>>76939645Both white and black do life manipulation and angels do it a lot. You're going to have to learn to accept this.
>>76940291Didn't look very hard, did you, zoomer?
>>76940320Honestly I'm mainly just mad that they're printing angel support but now I can't use it because I don't play nonwhite colors. For flavor reasons I still think fallen angels are a shit trope, but that's not really as important because coomers love them.
>>76940332>abominationThose milkers and pits suggest otherwise
>>76940345The black valkyries aren't fallen angels, though. They're just angels that are black.
>>76940332I didn't look at all, actually. Are there others? Or is it just those two?
>>76940355>Those milkers and pits suggest otherwisebased pitchad
>>76940314Is that the kind of shit you tell yourself when you're cracking open collectors boosters, paypig? That you're somehow going to teach WoTC a lesson by giving them the thing they want - your money.
>>76940362Yes and that is incredibly retarded. Angels don't become black unless they're fallen somehow, black and white are fundamental enemies, and angels are incarnations of white mana.
>>76940165>>76940200Ugh, even fuckin worse than I thought. Fucking trash card.
Remember when we all talked about the game instead of doomposting and complaining about art direction. When people would master a deck or come up with cool deck ideas?I miss those days. It's all just >jotc>le tranny>niggernowadays. Can't we just talk about the game and enjoy it anymore?Do you guys have any deck ideas for Kaldheim? I was thinking of building a cheap UR tempo deck with Aegar, since turning bolts into cantrips seems decent, and you can jam Toralf+damage doublers since those work well with bolts.
>magic art features a cute girl>the card is shitwhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
>>76940395Nah I don't buy cards at all, and actively encourage others to play edh and not buy cards to try and fuck wotc. Fucking wotc is my only ambition when it comes to magic.
>>76940419Good in limited, one of the better draft commons in the set.
>>76940417as it turns out that if you want discussion around X and X just released an absolutely dogshit set then maybe discussion wont be all flowers and rainbows?
>>76940355>armpitfagTalking about abomination
>>76940417If they release any good angels I can actually use then I might add them. Still not sure tho, I really don't like this set and I'm considering adding it to the "do not use cards from this set" list along with ikoria and eldraine.
I actually really dig the valkyrie aesthetic. This is the first time I've really been tempted to build a tribal deck.
>>76940332Wow three black angels and five Orzhov before Kaldheim and Commander legends. Totally comparable with the 135 in mono white.
>>76940496why bright purple and bright blue tho
>>76940501Funnily enough there are more monowhite angels than there any other properly colored monocolored cards of any other iconic. Except demons, wotc for whatever reason never makes nonblack demons, and rarely makes them multicolored.
>>76940533Speaking of multicolored demons, considering there's a D&D Forgotten Realms set coming up, will get get rakdos demons and orzhov devils?
>>76940400And also black mana
Now this here... this looks like fun. And a reason to finally use my thoughtseize in commander.
>>76940501Nobody said that there were as many black angels as there were white. Just that black angels have always, in some capacity or another, been around. They aren't breaking any fundamental rule of the setting because the setting has always allowed for these things.
>>76939038That's actually my peenus weenus early in the morning when I'm waking up
>>76940417I'm going to put together an orzhov Angels deck. Its probably going to be shit, but I'm going to do it, damn it!
>>76940586No. Only if they're fallen corrupted angels. That's the previously established rule.>>76940603Exactly, and every single black angel in the past was a corrupted angel of some form.
>>76940625So it was always possible for an angel to exist that consisted entirely of black mana. Meaning that being an incarnation of pure white mana was never a requirement of being an angel. These angels just come into existence in that state, which is a state that angels have always been able to exist in.
>>76940598>or discards Holy fuck I thought it was just It That Betrays text. That's fucking bananas. And its an infinite mana sink. This is going to be the default mono B goodstuff commander from now on huh?
>>76940641Yes they come into existence as mono white, and it can be corrupted or subverted, but I thought you said the black kaldheim angels weren't corrupted or anything, just that was how they were formed, which is breaking the rules, because up until now it took powerful magical corruption to make an angel monoblack.
>>76940625The lore about corrupted angels all refers specifically to Serra angels, which weren't even naturally-occurring. They were actively constructed by someone making white mana golems, and so don't represent any kind of universal constant.
>>76940618What is even the theme of Kaldheim Angels?
Will we be getting a Ymir or some other kind of giant king? What would you want it to do?
You guys wanna hear a joke?Tiny Leaders
>>76940740>Tiny Leaderswhats that?
>>76940645It seems like the kind of commander i build the deck around but that costs 5 mana and gets removed instantly after i cast it, leaving me to do nothing 70% of the games, where the other 30% i just win instantly as everyone concedes
>>76940750I don't think an uncommon is going to be the legendary giant payoff.
>>76940683I dunno man, it's just fucking weird seeing non corrupted monoblack angels. Also I'm pretty sure it's the norm for them to be white Mana constructs, at least last I checked. They're basically speshul elementals but for white iirc.
>>76940682Different plane, different rules. It's previously been established that angels can exist as mono-black, so there's no reason that they couldn't come into existence in that state on some planes.
>>76940763Assuming you're not being sarcastic, it's 1v1 commander but you can only use commanders and cards with CMC 3 or less, 25 life and 50 card deck.It was a hot meme for less then a year before dying without a trace cause the format was solved in less than a month and just devolved into midrange goodstuff.dec the format
>>76940771You have too high hopes
>>76940740I was the guy who invented Tiny Leaders. It sucked to see it take off with such enthusiasm to then be snuffed out by internet turbo spikes.
Got a thumping great mail haul today. Though I feel the need to point out I ordered the R. Skely and Sign on 12/6. Mail delays are real.
Name a more cringe EDH color identity than monoblack. Protip: you can't.Call Izzet decks reddit all you want, but it's objective fact that every mono black deck uses the same shell of 60 cards and most times their commander is interchangeable with just about any other black commander. Better but in my Urborg! Ooo, and all these mana doublers, and 15 tutors, and Necropotence, and grave pact, and oh right I gotta end the game EPIC STYLE with Exsanguinate!
>>76941139That's wrong, because all monochads are based.
>>76941139see >>76941157also everyone knows 4 color is the most cringe
>>76941201Saskia get a pass because she's nonblue
>>76941139It depends, if it's a deck with Shirei at the helm, then it's based. If their commander is something generic like Erebos, then I'm cringing hard
>>76941139The only thing cringe about black is people who run too many tutors. But mono anything is based, even blue.
>>76941139Monowhite. At least blackfags don't spend hours whining.
>>76941139>t. Mono W player
>>76940496>places angry black lady in your pathI like the blushing cutie in the background tho
>>76941332What do you get when you cross a mono white player with a company that abandons him and treats him like trash?
Reminder that it's physically impossible to play monocolor and for it to not be based. The only color combos that get close are shards and only if you're playing legends elder dragons, but mono color captures the spirit and flavor of the game best.
>>76941393No, you get a racist. People only play white because they're racist.
>>76941261What about Syr Konrad? I'm currently building him for mill and mass reanimation.
>>76941406>muh spirit of edh
>>76941380An easily-baited source of entertainment.
>>76941380I bet you use Crusade and Cleanse you wh*ite supremist
>>76941431I tried playing him in brawl for a while. He's pretty cool. Don't forget effects that shuffle graveyards back into libraries.
>>76941431what I meant basically, is that black decks are perfectly fine if you use a commander you have to actually build your card choices and gameplan around
>>76941487It only just clicked that Cauldron of Eternity causes him to consistently trigger twice per creature death.
>>76940496This looks like generic MCU shit
holy shit why did no one tell me about this?
>>76941616I generally find the card to be super hit or miss. It seems amazing when you start the game with this turn 1 with 5 lands in hand, then you realize you only have 2 real cards in hand and you're stuck either putting our your commander early, or twiddle your thumbs drawing cards to actually play
>>76941616Get out while you can, newfag.
>>76941616Just wait till you see this
>>76941616If you don't draw it in your opening hand with at about 4 lands it does nothing. And that's half your hand gone.
>>76941616Because green is gay.But, Burgeoning, any landfall trigger, field of the dead, and just play Oboro, Palace in the cloud every damn time they play a land.
>>76941528I'm on the fence about adding it though. You get 2 triggers but it also stops its own reanimation engine. Very situational.
>>76941616I wonder if green is the most autopilot kinda mono color deck to play out of the 5 or if that’s still red.
>>76941659>>76941692Honestly, I find the best results for mana ramp with this card being having only 3 or so lands in hand rather then like 4 or 5 lands. You don't need 100% full value from a card to make it worth it, and getting to play 2 or 3 extra lands is plenty enough to set you up for the rest of the game.
>>76941743You run out of gas quickly and it's a dead draw pretty in pretty much every situation other than the opening hand.
>>76941853Not in a deck that can abuse it
>>76941853>Running out of gasThen you should have ordered more! Those simic players aren't gonna gas themselves.
>>76941921Sorry dude. The best ramp cards are still the land tutors and Exploration. If you devote your hand to playing lands youll just be stuck playing one spell per turn off the top of the library.
YETI! I AM THE YETI!
>>76941616Because it's useless outside of your opening hand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W4a25ty1Aohow bad is it gonna be?
>>76941616It looks better than it is, especially for landfall decks. Since you can only put them into play from your hand, it's basically useless after the early game, as a lot of your landfall triggers in the mid- and late-game are going to come from recurring various flavors of fetchland. The lands coming down on your opponents' turns means you won't be able to line up your triggers advantageously. It really just doesn't end up pulling its weight.
>>76942061Honey bear, that card is a legit engine in my Tatyova deck.
>>76942270You found it, you watch and tell us.
>>76942270what is the question here exactly?
>>76942270Imagine shilling your YouTube channel on 4chan
>>76941173>everyone knows 4 color is the most cringeTruth. C16 is still a colossal failure in my eyes, in all fronts except maybe the quality of reprints.
>>76939912maybe if you didn't put a tranny on it
>>76941173>>76942305whats wrong with 4colors and c16?
Say what you will about Kaldheim, these guys are kino.
>>76940272>edh paypigsaren't you tourney tismos the ones paying $200 for the latest FIRE playset so you can feel like in a big boy game
>>769423184 color decks have always had a troubled history being played by snowflake faggots who think they're kewl and epic playing the nepilims, and they multiplied after c16. As for the actual 4 color commanders, pretty much all of them were extremely muddled in design and played more like 3 color decks with a vestigial limb handing off the side and generally brought nothing new to make 4 color identities their own unique playstyle.
>>76940417maybe if the devs weren't talking aout that shit 24/7
>>76942318from cringe to based itsmono > 5C = 2C > 3C > 4C
>>76940272>finally realizing other formats but EDH were shitseethe
>>76942318Both brought about the age of Partners, for one. They butchered certain lore characters in giving them a Partner card, ESPECIALLY Ludevic. Further, Atraxa and Breya are absolute cancer Commanders that have never once helmed an interesting deck that people like playing against.
>>76941139tell us where the torment of hailfire touched you
>>769424233C is the soul of EDH, fuck off with your bad take
>>76942395>played by snowflake faggots who think they're kewl and epicisn't being a snowflake the entire purpose of this format?
>>76942318None of the 4 Color combos have a soul. They have nothing to establish an identity on.
>>76942395>mad at a color combo because the people he plays with are badimagine being this person
>>76941511hu, who would have thoughtmakes him way less cancerous >>76940598
>>76942454No, slamming down big shit you can't get away with in competitive formats is.
>>76942478Laugh all you want, I'm still correct
>>76942437It's probably one of the faggots around here who posts anti mono black bait semi-regularly. I was the main target for it for a while, until some anon kindly pointed out I was being an idiot and falling for it every time.
>>769424923C (with the exception of jund) is absolute cringe broski
>>76940417You can't blame MTG generals on /vg/ and /tg/ bitching about this 24/7 when WotC decided to both politicize the game and go mega turbo jew at the same time. You're delusional or a shill if you say otherwise
>>76942507Says who, Zack fucking Ryder? You don't have to like 3C, but you have to respect its importance to the format.
>>76942536>You don't have to like 3C, but you have to respect its importance to the format.
>>76942563Stay mad, double nigger
>>76942581imagine needing 3+ colors to be able to play kek
>>76942611Who said I can't play mono or dual? They're fine too.
>>76942581kek laugh at this he probably plays gay shit like naya or abzan
>>76942497kek just right in time when I was deciding on a mono black commanders. Post cool ones and how they play. Picrel looks damn kino but utter jank also.
>>76937809Tutor / Godo for grafted exoskeleton and sac him to deal 10 poison to the table
>>76942633Wrong and wrong.
>imagine calling each other cringe instead of uniting ourselves against the actual faggy combination: 5C
>>76942633HAHAH imagine playing naya. Oh no you're gonna kill me with a candy cane and a santa hat noo
>>76942672I think the idiot and I can both agree on that.
>>769426725C is fine so long as its 5C dragons
>>76942683Damn, that's a sick burn for an autist.
>>76942318With relatively few exceptions, everything in the game is spread across at least two colors. Sure, in a number of those cases, the secondary color does a pretty poor imitation of the primary color, but there's still some capacity for it that exists outside of the primary color. When you get up to four colors, you can pretty much do almost anything in the game, with only a handful of things that you do slightly worse than five color. You don't have any real weaknesses to cover, and you don't have to make any major compromises: you can just play goodstuff.Then, rather than giving the decks any kind of real focus, they made all the commanders either incredibly generic or just an extant three-color archetype with an additional color tacked on. Atraxa and Breya are the best-known ones from the batch...and Atraxa is just a pick-your-poison smorgasbord of cancer, while Breya is just Sharuum but with red. The partner combinations are also intentionally generic so that you can combine them however you want, but they don't give you anything to really grab onto.And, flavorfully, four-color is just a mess. Every color shares some conceptual space with each other color, which strengthens the flavor of color pairs and, indirectly, trios. Black and green share conceptual space related to the survival of the fittest, the cycle of life and death, and pragmatism above idealism. This tells us something about the flavor of BG as a color combination, but also tells us something about URW as a color combination--it cares more about individual refinement than about dominance, preserves rather than recycles, and places the pursuit of ideals above all else. That doesn't work with four-color--when the only color you're missing is black, you've parceled up most of black's concepts and gotten at them from slightly different angles.
OFFICIAL COLOR COMBO RANKINGS>Based:Mono redMono whiteSelesnyaOrzhovRakdosDimirBorosGrxisNayaEsperBantMarduTemur5 color>Cringe:Mono greenIzzetGruulGolgariAzoriousJundJeskaiAbzan>Ultra Cringe:Mono blueMono blackSimicSultai4 color
>>76942695>>76942702i too accept this middle ground
>>76942637Take your pick. I've got lists for all of them and more.
>>76942784Is drana new?
>>76942784is that a loliana foot fetish deck? i have one too
>>76942757>i have two based and two cringe by this chartEh, I'll take it.
>>76942757>mono green>cringe>dimir>grixis>esper>naya>bant>temur>mono white>basedI have never seen taste this shit in my life
>>76942784Do you just proxy Cabal Coffers then?
>>76942757>esper>basedsome of the biggest faggots in EDH play Oloro
Color combinations can't reasonably be ranked, as it is possible to build a based deck in any color combination as long as you have a strong theme that you stick to instead of just devolving into goodstuff or DTDC.(Note that this may be purely theoretical in the case of Simic and Sultai, but the math holds.)
>>76942390It doesn't cost me any money to play cube, paypig.
>>76942784damnn that's some devotionHow does lili play? I like her concept a lot but must be tough protecting a walker in commander?how did you build erebos? I currently want to make a discard deck but I can't make up my mind if I want Nath for that or any of these and build another monoB themehow's yawgmoth? seems super fun
>>76942875And some of the bigger ones play Sharuum.
>>76942384I don’t get what’s the plan with changelings Everyone seems certain that the only way for Draft to work with tribal decks I’d by playing changelings but Kaldheim only had Blue/green ones? Does that not stack the odds in favor of any blue/green coloured tribal decks?
>>76942830i don't fancy myself that based but thanks
>>76942784Do you have like 8 copies of urborg, demonic tutor, etc or share them all between your decks?
>>76942934>Does that not stack the odds in favor of any blue/green coloured tribal decks?All according to WOTC's plan
brehs I just bought every ajani except for vengeant so I could build a meme ajani tribal deck.
>>76942812Drana is Vampire Waifus. She is the newest, but not that new. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/vampire-waifus-2/>>76942819Nope, zombies. Are there really enough Mono Black cards out there with prominent feet to make that deck?>>76942846Yes, actually. I bought a real one long time ago, and it's useful, though not really integral to any of my decks.
>>76942924neither does playing commander you nanny trigger
>>76942926If you think that's impressive, I've got 20 more Mono B lists in various stages of completion. Liliana is my oldest and dearest deck, Mono B Zombies. Deck doesn't really rely on her, but she's very useful. Erebos is Board Wipes and Lifedrain, featuring all the single target ones like soul burn, and obviously exsanguinate/ToH. Yawgmoth is Infect, and kinda mean. I save him for randos, he's a little mean for my playgroup.
>>76942958>he's a furfag AND a walkerfag
Fine you faggots, lets go one by one for each color/color combo and rate them democracy style to form a /edhg/ approved ranking list, settling this once and for all. Lets start simple.>Mono redI vote based
>>76943033mono red is basedmy vote is mono green as 2nd most based
>>76943033Hell yeah based
>>76943033>democracyI vote cringe
>>76942757Mono white chads, where are we?Post your mono white commanders.
>>76943033Mono red is based.
>>76942950Urborg isn't actually in most of these. I put coffers and lake of the dead in each, but that's about it. I prefer some variety in my decks. Also pretty much no tutors in anything.
Alright anons, post mail.
>>76943060I love angels! Who's your mono white commander, my guy?
>>76943060I vote mono white as cringe
>>76943033>>76943047>>76943060I vote mono red and monogreen based, and mono white cringe.I vote mono black based
>>76943060>Mono white chadsContradiction in terms.
>>76943033Red is based. Always relevant without becoming degenerate
>>76943135>Always relevant without becoming degeneratethe only time red is cringe is with goblins
>>76943090>>76943134Who as cringe?
>>76943029which would you say are the most casual? and the most fun?
>>76943162Most casual is probably King Macar Vehicles or Drana Vampire Waifus. Most fun is Liliana, zombies are my favorite tribe.
>>76943200Nice, he's one of my favorites. Also love his art, the way the stone is done looks like some sort of fancy border.
>>76943033Pretty unanimous.Green check for based, red x for cringe.Next>mono blueCringe imo
>>76943299i vote cringe
>>76943299I'm not gonna do that, I'll just say it is based. Also count me as a vote for all monocolor being based,
>>76943299mono blue is cringe
>>76943221okay, last one. Do you think erebos can do well in the GUx hellscape I play?
>>76943299Ill wait longer when we hit the more controversial colors.Next>mono greenBased
>>76943375Based but only if using a kamigawa commander.
>>76943373That I can't tell you, not knowing your meta. He is among the stronger of my decks. Take a look.https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ereboss-big-black-dck/
>>76943339Thanks. Old foils are kino
>>76943375>mono blackCringe, literally 90% same deck everytime
>>76943467agreed its boring as fuck and the same thing every gameI vote mono B as cringe
>>76943375Mostly based. Its when you combine it with blue is when it becomes cancer.
>>76943467I like mono black, it's pretty cool. Lots of kino flavor from back in the day.
>>76943467might need a new thread to continue this
>>76943467Agreed as well. Toshiro is the only mono black deck thats really stuck around for me because I can at least kill shit rather than durdle until I find coffers
>>76943467Double Based. Fuck you.
>>76943467>>76943375What the fuck, are you niggers serious, mono green, based? No fucking way. You mean to tell me shit like this or that bard guy are based? With what they've done with green, its inherently cringe, fuck off.
>>76943515Every single mono color is based. We don't even need to be going over the mono colored ones, let's just mark em all based and move on.
>>76943550>>76943550might want to continue in next bread
>>76943556Ya ill move it to next thread
>>76943515I voted based for green just because of simple strats like big smash, same reason black is based imo, though we do need a sub-based or sub-cringe category for specific commanders down the line.
>>76942611>play a 3 color commander>it's actually mono
>>76942611the OG elder dragons were 3 colors
>>76943467There are a lot of good stuff black decks, but also some interesting unique strategies. A lot of variance.I'll be optimistic and vote based.
>>76942757i have five based decks, two cringe (one is going to be switched to another cringe), and an ultra cringe that will end up being just a cringe.averages out to be moderately based
>>76938059>>76938231>lotus cobra not already in the deck>cutting nerfed harrow out of landfall deck>cutting counterspell in deck with blue in it and then playing even worse versions of it>playing trash like seer's sundial when cards like tatyova exist>even considering 5 mana sorcery speed removal that doesn't even hit everything, when at those rates you should be playing boardwipes like wrath of god, austere command or almost anything elsejfc