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just kinda dicking around with scions and bits. 9th edition killed a lot of my interest in 40k so now I don't feel so bad making models that I can do whatever with
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>>76078854
I'm into the left one.
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>>76078911
thanks.
took almost forty minutes to get the hat right
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>>76078944
Worth it
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H-heres your fffulgrim.. bro...
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>>76079019
snake pussy?
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>>76079019
Someone will unironically spend an assload of cash for that shit conversion and I cant wait to see it.
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Where my boys in black at
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>>76079172
snake cloaca
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>>76078712
>Thread Demand:
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>>76078854
I don't see why you couldn't ever run these guys
Just say their stubbers have ap ammo and run them as having hotshots
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>>76078712
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Just finished a box of rubric marines, starting my second box now. How should I differentiate the two squads?
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Do all Ork lists need a minimum of 90 boys? I'm thinking of a list right now as Deathskulls with that many and three deff dreads and 6 buggies, just wondering what I put on the backline to hold those objectives.
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You cannot hide your blood from the Shark! !
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>>76078712
>TD
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>>76079210
this is why natsocs are gay
it's not about the ideology or honorary shit, it's about the survival of the species, humanity comes before any xeno
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Anyone have ideas on how to kitbash something like pic related? I was thinking DA and GK terminators with some sisters bits thrown in but what do you anons think?
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>>76079191
>I'm actually hard-pressed to think of a campaign the tau have actually lost.
>They only ever job in art, but fluffwise they usually have pretty thick plot armor.
>Canonically I can't think of a reason various armored and air units within the astra militarum could not out mobilize them.

Tau got their asses beat by guard in the aeronautica fluff if that counts
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>>76079212
I mean you can sure just run grots if the rest of your army is proper killy. Unless you play competitively in which case why would you be orkz.
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>>76079236
>Tau got their asses beat by guard in the aeronautica fluff if that counts
How the fuck.

Guard are flying WWII-style jets. I don't even know if they have heat-seeking missiles.
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So it looks like all the retards who said Necrons would still be shit after their codex are pretty silent now, huh?
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Asking here as well, what the fuck happened with Shadowsun storywise? GW made a whole blog post about the eerie ending to the assault of Startide Nexus when Death Guard just disappeared, and Shadowsun was nowhere to be found after her last tranmission implied her forces were getting overwhelmed.
...And the next blog post casually announced a Shadowsun miniature with a vague lore blurb that completely neglected to address what the fuck happened.
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>>76079236
I want to say it doesn't
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>>76079233
inquisitor coteaz would make a great base for it, just give him a sister helmet and then add whatever bits/weapons you want
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>>76079210
>pic
I came to a similar conclusion.
Although I think it's a coincidence that an accurate description of the ethereal caste could be 'the master race'...
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>>76079257
They're still shit, just less so.
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>>76079236
aeronautica imperialis?
cause that's pretty new I think
I feel like they weren't allowed to lose for a long time because they were a new faction that was very small in comparison to everyone else setting wise, so they needed to not only be established as a threat, but allowed to take enough territory in order to actually be able to take losses they can recover from.
>>76079252
I imagine every guard/navy air battle going like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPqFUrSd8pE
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>>76079233
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>>76079257
Because said retards here don't play.
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>>76079287
Mommy
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>>76079285
That’s taking in their pre-codex winrate. They’re sitting at a 54% post-codex.
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>>76079250
my grot list is perfectly killy thank you very much
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>>76079309
okay but what's the TiWP ratio
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>>76079250
Think Orks are atleast top 10 competitively at the moment. Ghaz/boys deathskull/buggies are good
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>>76079313
Now that's an army.
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>>76079313
If my math is right, that's 732 grots right there.
I'd love to see you get those all on the table and get through two turns.
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>>76079313
yeah, I'm not playing against that
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>>76079313
ARDEN
GET THE HEAVY FLAMER
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>>76079329
Neat. Playing this game competitively makes as much sense as betting at a casino to me.
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>>76079346
coward
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>>76079346
See? I didn't have to touch any dice and my grots are already winning matches.
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>>76079313
to play against such an army would be a privilege
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>>76079321
The percentage of armies played in that faction that end up garnering a 4-0 tournament showing but better. Considering that Necrons were in an absolute state before the codex, that percentage should continue to rise rather that equalize.
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>>76079313
In 7e our Ork would run an all Grot army in games over 2k because he played green tide.
His movement turn sucked so hard.
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>>76079360
I would play against it, sounds like it would be an absolutely brutal slog that fits the setting
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>>76079285
>They're still shit, just less so.
They absolutely fucking aren't lmfao. We're already seeing top finishes, a first place finish, and someone managed to place well with six Heavy Lokhursts.
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>watch eldar battle report
>it's either vehicle spam or all-wraith armies

I'm tired.
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oh wow I was wrong, aeronautica imperialis has been around for a while
I guess I thought it was new cause I saw stuff about it popping up in my news feed a little while ago
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>>76079183
Its a really good color scheme desu
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What's the army for me if I want to be a Chad who crushes pussy?
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Any army is competitive if you use loaded dice
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I've been in a coma. What do we know about 9E codexes so far?
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>>76079438
Except Tau
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>>76079437
Scions
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>>76079252
The tau did pretty well in the air war, but they lost the void and ground war because I think this was happening at the same time as the death guard shenanigans so the tau had their forces on the other side of the empire so couldn't send reinforcements.

There was this cool little moment where the tau pulled off an ambush using captured aircraft from the Imperium.
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>>76079437
Imperial Guard. Everyone else is a pussy in power armor or high on magic.
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>>76079437
no army will make you a chad
all armies will probably make you less so
aside from that, 30k players are occasionally roided out spergs, so maybe consider one of those
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>>76079437
The only choice leading to that outcome is to not play this game.
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>>76079230
vs the THAD Genestealers and terminators vs the SCHLAD Emperor and the consequences of his own actions
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Is there any absolute friend out there that would snap a quick pick of their Indomotis Skorpekh Lord and any other non-HQ units you feel like sharing?
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>>76079236
Tau ended up losing the overall war vs Imperium after assassination of grand leader, with mass collapse of the new territories.
Tau lost the war vs passing DG fleet overwelmingly, lucky only that DG were passing through.
Tau lost decisively to necrons+craftworld allience started from craftworld+tau alliance against said necron dynasty
Tau lost overwelmingly in all pf their Deldar related wars
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>>76079500
Ask the work in progress thread friend
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>>76079500
Nvm, sorry for wasting those dubs. I found them.
https://imgur.com/a/gMZfZmZ
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>>76079481
Henry cavil plays custodes tho
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>guard have VTOL dropships covered in lascannons and other great shit like punisher gatling cannons
>people still saying guard have WW2 tech
The fuck?
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>>76079528
Yeah, just like he totally "plays" pc games.
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>>76078712
>Thread Demand:
>Post your favorite 40k meme
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>>76079528
henry is not a chad because he plays custodes. henry is a chad in spite of this.
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>>76079447
bc they are always competitive
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>>76079233
there's something about boobplate on terminator armor that doesnt look right
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>>76079554
Rumour was he almost missed his role for superman due to a wow raid.

Maybe true may be not, don't know why you're so jaded about a celebrity having a hobby
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40k gacha when
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>>76079566
>bc they are always competitive
They're literally the worst army in the game right now
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>>76079531
its because even the highest tech stuff guard has still has a world war aesthetic to it, which it should if done right
just look at a sentinel, it looks like something you'd expect out of ww2 if they'd had legged vehicles
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Dark Eldar players, how you feeling about your Codex coming up? Hopes, expectations?
I'm hoping Ravagers get costed a little better and that Kabalites are either cheap or good, with splinter weapons also being worth a damn for once.
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>>76079559
He’s right tho
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>>76079576
Have you read his Instagram post with that custodes helmet picture? Go give it a look through and tell me it's not a publicity stunt.
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>>76079587
That data is three months old by now. Get new material.
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>>76079587
>ITC
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>>76079531
The obvious inspiration is the 50-70s era US military even if the helicopters have laser guns. You can bring up in the in-universe reasons related to STC reuse as to why most Imperial vehicles are basic tractors but you can't get around the real world reason they look that way.
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>>76079587
This just means tau players are bad, tau could be a great army with a retard, low IQ, playerbase
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>>76079591
Splinter weapons now always wound non-vehicles and titanic on 3+
-1ap
Good enough?
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>>76079606
not him, i read that and yeah that does come off as a publicity stunt
I buy he does some nerdy shit but I think his manager's probably saw people relating to that and now they have him running with it
I buy he's really into pc gaming, not so much warhammer after reading that
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>>76079617
>Splinter weapons now always wound non-vehicles and titanic on 3+
>-1ap
yeah, that'd be fine be me. Maybe have some custom Kabal to improve them further is thats the focus, but that would be a good start for sure
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>>76079607
>article published October 30th
>three months old
>>76079611
The ITC is currently playing the same missions in the GW GT pack as everyone else is.
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>>76079606
>Go give it a look through and tell me it's not a publicity stunt.
why would Henry Cavill need to appeal to the 40k demographic
I don't think he's a avid player or anything but its pretty plausible that he has a casual interest in it and enjoys painting some little dudes in his downtime
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>>76079616
Richard Siegler himself has shelved Tau because they are in that bad of a state. It's not a case of Tau players being bad, it's also the case of the army being in an abhorrent state in 9th edition.
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>>76079645
>playing tournament missions
>paying attention to tournamentfags
>thinking competetive dickheads have any bearing on the overwhelmingly casual playerbase
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>>76079591
For us to stay decent throughout the edition instead of coming out hot and then rapidly falling into mediocrity by the end of the second month after release.
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>>76079313
is it even possible to deploy that army? I feel like a good chunk of missions would have too small of deployment zones, and not enough cp to reserve the rest
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>>76079576
It wasnt a rumour. Henry said that in an interview. And there is the other one when they ask him "Playstation or Xbox?" and he just says "PC"
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>>76079665
>even warhammer community is making “metawatch” articles with tournament players popping in
Your hobby is gone now. Embrace esports
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>>76079606
Too much of a time consuming hobby
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>>76079531
It's less the raw tech and more like the doctrine(s) of use.
I am absolutely certain that Marauders are flown in massive formations like pic related.
>B-52 comparison
Nah, Marauder doesn't have the payload. It needs the numbers.

Hell, B-52s were accurate enough to use for bombing individual VC positions around khe sahn. They were more likely to hit the target (provided they'd been giving the right coordinates) while flying above the clouds than A-4s or F-4s that were flying below the clouds and could opt for visual targeting as needed.
Marauders are not that accurate.

And as for Avengers/Lightnings/Other aeronautica fighters, lascannons are still LoS weapons that fire in a straight line. It's technologically far more advanced than a 20mm cannon, but is used against targets in the same way.
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>>76079679
No matter how hard they push it, most people who play warhammer just want to push around their painted toy army men and throw back a few drinks while chucking dice
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>>76079679
what does the e stand for, anon?
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>>76079665
>thinking competetive dickheads have any bearing on the overwhelmingly casual playerbase
They literally do. Matched play uses the same objective system as ITC primaries and secondaries. No more Maelstrom cards, and Crusade is now marketed as a campaign. Even casual pick-up games now use primaries and secondaries.
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>>76079693
Your way of playing 40k is dying.
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>>76078494
i got a source but you're not gonna like it

https://www.reddit.com/r/Necrontyr/comments/jidvtc/indomitus_canoptek_spider/
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>>76079696
everything, because everything that was casual before now begins to have a competitive/minmaxing aspect and community to it.
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>>76079670
that art too cute
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>>76079690
how do imperial aircraft fare on the tabletop?
like I said before, I imagine alot of even the successful battles for guard goin like that video, ridiculous losses, barely ekeing out a win through alot of death and self sacrifice
the part where the guy kills the american ace by crashing his aircraft into the other dude's seemed perfect
also do tau have heat seeking missiles or some such?
imperium has hunter killer missiles on the ground but I don't think those are even guided, let alone heat seeking, and they're only mounted on ground vehicles it seems
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should I get dark eldar or sisters of battle as my next 1k army?
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>>76079735
dark sisters
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>>76079730
I figure HK missiles are TOW analogies, which would make them wire-guided.
There are the missiles from the Hunter that have a servitor built into each one, so they're "guided" but more accurately are being flown into the target by a martyr.
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>People who paints a knight with a space marine color scheme, even going as far as putting chapter logos on the knight
I always wipe a booger underneath the knight's shoulderpad when I see someone do this.
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>>76079761
I love that, need more kamikaze tier shit from the imperium
yeah HKs seem pretty TOW like but they sure do miss alot for guided missiles without any real countermeasures being deployed against them
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>>76079708
>Almost everyone I know who plays only ever wants to play competitive now
>They constantly shit on the very notion of playing a smaller game or a skirmish
>Constantly pick up and drop armies based on whatever the meta is
Even before Covid I wasn't having much fun with this game, it's probably why I've done so little hobbying with all this free time.
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>>76079765
based booger-wiper anon
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Did anyone get the new White Dwarf? How are the Tome Keepers?
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>>76079777
Come join the narrative campaign I'm working on anon :)
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>>76079765
Why can't you respect their chapter fluff?
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>>76079777
Play crusade
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>>76079735
Sisters are pretty strong right now. Dark Eldar aren't but have a Codex coming up soon.
Aesthetically Dark Eldar gives you more options and variety.
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>>76079675
I've heard stories of people who brought all grot list to tournaments. does well because nobody can deal with such a massive amounts of models. but there were games where they never got to deploy a bunch of models because its just impossible.

These are all second hand stories so I don't know details, just rumors.
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How does the Dark Imperium Death Guard army stack up against the Necron from Indomitus?

>1 Lord of Contagion
>1 Noxious Blightbringer
>1 Malignant Plaguecaster
>7 Plague Marines
>1 Foetid Bloat Drone
>20 Poxwalkers

Versus

>1 Necron Overlord
>1 Royal Warden
>1 Plasmancer
>2 Cryptothralls
>1 Skorpekh Lord
>3 Skorpekh Destroyers
>1 Plasmacyte
>1 Canoptek Reanimator
>10 Necron Warriors
>6 Scarab swarms
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So question about the C'tan? So they're all shattered so does that mean two Dynasties could have a Void Dragon locked in the basement somewhere or is there only one corporeal form of them?
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>>76079805
>narrative play for dumb people
No thanks
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>>76079777
tournament lists are straight up banned at the gw store near me

as for the flgs the crusade thing they play had to ban forgeworld models and certain named characters because of powergamers.

sounds like your area is just garbage
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>>76079860
>his area needs to ban this shit instead of the local players just not engaging with it and refusing to play games against the one or two people who do
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>>76079860
>tournament lists are straight up banned at the gw store near me

Sounds horrible.
How do you audit the lists of strangers against all known tournament lists without being a total fucking sperg?
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>>76079777
>used to be like this
>games started to get samey and repetitive
>armies are all garbage tier comeptitively now
>don't want to just throw away another $1000
>just start painting and playing with models that look cool
I almost feel freed
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>>76079840
>So they're all shattered so does that mean two Dynasties could have a Void Dragon locked in the basement somewhere
yes
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>>76079841
>don’t want to play matched play
>don’t want to play narrative
I knew 40kg doesn’t play
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>>76079913
Crusade is not narrative play.
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okay it looks imperial aircraft have various guided and seeker type missiles all the time
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>>76079931
>/yourdudes/ become more experienced after each battle
>pick up flaws and bonuses based on the outcome of the battle
>winner of the game gets tangible bonuses to his army
I mean it's there.
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>>76079934
thanks for checking
I want more imperial aircraft.
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>>76079931
It literally is
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>>76079777
start and run your own narrative game, find a different game store with a more casual crowd, or best yet start playing a different game altogether
>>76079860
>needing to ban shit
>/needing to ban forgeworld/
holy shit the absolute state of euros.
>>76079913
at best 33% of 40kg plays
Of those 33% everyone either realizes 9th is the best the game has been since mid 5th, or plays 3rd/4th/5th with their buddies.
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>Spent 2 hours today going over my old firewarrior models and painting their hooves the right colour.
>I just painted them straight up brown like they were extensions of their boots, but I started painting newer models with their actual bare hooves
>It was bothering me so much I had to go back and do it.
>It looks better, but now I want to touch up a lot more on the models even though from a distance they look fine.
>In the end I spent hours painting tau feet.

I feel like I should be disgusted by this.
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>>76079974
pics or it didn't happen
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>>76079974
>painting tau
You’re a godsend
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I'm not very good at evaluating shit in a vacuum, are Incubi actually worth it now? They throw out a lot of S5 D2 but is that enough to bother more than basic troops for most factions?
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>>76079974
I disagree that it looks better. Having big blue toes sticking out looks dumb.
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>>76079974
>painting
don't feel disgusted anon. You're being a paintchad, even though it's tau feet.
+10vp
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>>76080001
Yes. Incubi are good marine killers. They wound DG on 4, marines on 3, and hit hard. You just need to take care to ensure they have the right positioning for their charge to hit home.
>>76080013
>blue
nigga do you think cow hooves are flesh colored.
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>>76080001
>are dedicated marine-killers worth taking?
I dunno, are you playing against marines?

May as well have posted
>are fire dragons actually worth it? they throw out a few S8 Dd6 shots but is that enough to bother more than tanks for most factions?
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>>76079988
I just put them all away.

This is a picture of my carbine infantry that painting up made me paint the rest of them.

The rest of my infantry are based. I'll base these guys next
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>>76080001
The issue with DE was often how good their stuff climbing out of transports was, rather than how they’d get there in the first place.
The Incubi buff is very nice, with +1WS and 2 damage weapons. They’re going to perform much better in a marine meta, which we are in right now.
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>>76078712
>>Thread Demand:
>Post your favorite 40k meme.
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>>76079765
>This freeblade, the last of an extinct house, has pledged to crusade with the chapter until it finally dies in battle
>His knight is painted in chapter colours, to honour his comrades
Why is this a problem?
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>>76080027
Wait aren’t you tanktauanon
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>>76080001
I think a few MSU's in transport going hunting for devastor/havoc squad hunting would be reasonable
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>>76080022
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>>76079226
>shark helm
>shark effigies on power pack

Plz no, learn from the space wolves and don't go full retard.
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>>76080001
Incubi look like they will blend anything they touch Marines doubly so.

I laugh at all the retards crying about how incubi got buffed to D2, and how it'll invalidate their 2w marines. even though incubi have always been great at killing marines. Like did marine players think that by going up to 2w and getting 2D heavy bolters that other factions wouldn't get some anti meq tools?
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>>76080037
Alternatively
>chapter does a great deed to aid the knight house or a knight from the house and now it bears part of their heraldry or colors
not really that hard to hand wave
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>watch a battle report
>someone has an embarrassing tattoo
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>>76079591
I just want things to be costed reasonably and for Wych Cults to be good for once. Also plastic Grotesques, though converting them is still fun
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>>76079860
>casuals knowing which list is casual and which is not
Our store kinda went through this phase but it always just ended up being whoever won beeing a waacfag even if you had a list like >>76079313
Our store finally ended up similar to commander in mtg where you say how powerful your army is on a scale to 1-10 and you just faced armies that was within 2 points to your army (very subjective but it still works somewhat well)
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>>76079765
>it's okay for knights to swear fealty to forge worlds but not chapters
You're a knight world out in the Ghoul stars. Who is going to repair your shit if not the tech-marines of the Death Spectres?
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>>76080045
I see the tau and eldar read some of the same fashion magazines
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>>76080045
Unenclosed feet drive me nuts. Hooves or not, you'd cover those up with SOMETHING while marching around on alien worlds.
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>>76080045
oh like that, gotcha.
>>76080060
that's how you know it's wholesome
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>>76080091
I dun get it.
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>>76080069
>bring your leftover triptide Tau list
>it’s power scale 2 because they’re that bad
>get paired against some new guy who just finished up his Tyranids
>lose
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>>76080098
Yeah, I'm used to seeing the hooves painted as hooves but I always thought the parts that are painted like flesh there were supposed to be a body sleeve type part that only let the hard hooves out
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>>76080105
feet
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>>76078712
>You totally don't need to highlight guys!
>t. anti highlighting poster
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>>76079988
>>76079990
Okay I took em out

>>76080041
yes. I have a lot of options, but my tank list is my favorite and the one I always return to.
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>>76079581
Now.
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>>76080091
Tau wear sode on the left shoulder because
>it's samurai weeb shit
>it serves the same general purpose of absorbing incoming fire while the wearer himself is in a firing stance
The eldar has essentially a duelist's cape, which had dual purpose of fashion and protection from cuts. Except the eldar appears to be left handed and the cape is on the wrong shoulder.

Basically you're wrong about fashion.
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>>76080124
What are you trying to say?
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>>76080151
You really missed the joke he was making, man.
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>>76080149
I can’t wait for tanks to go down to BS4+ haha
God why did it have to be like this. The Markerlights better be fucking amazing.
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>>76080166
His joke bombed. Get over it.
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>>76080098
yeah that's why I originally painted them as boots, I always thought their armor was fully enclosed even if some of it was a fabric. But really I was just lazy.
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Do you think sisters of battle sleep in the same beds in the convent together to keep warm and save on using energy? It would be really cute if all the sisters snuggled together at night...
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>>76080174
God I hope not. One of the advantages of an all tank list is bs3+ across everything. If they just updated the marker light table it would help a lot.

But I'll be honest, I just want corona to be over so I can start playing games again. Though at least I'm getting my army painted and based.
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why do tau players always say they need better than BS4+ while wielding such ridiculous weapons, meanwhile guard can only BS+ with generally worse weapons if they're taking scions or some kinda tank commander
like sheeeiiit give me some 2+ muhfuggas aside from pask then
3+ sentinels would be cool too
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>>76080151
>samurai weeb shit
Except all depictions of samurai armor show the shoulder regions are same size and shape?
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>>76080196
I know sleeping in the same bed as a girl sounds super hot but then someone goes on her period and you wake up hoping the blood isn't yours
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>>76080211
>why do tau players always say they need better than BS4+ while wielding such ridiculous weapons
A weapon is only as good as the person that shoots it. Also Tau weapons have been power-crept by Primaris weapons. Having S5 across the board doesn’t offset no AP and lower BS
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>>76080211
Because at least guard have ways of playing in the psychic and melee phases.
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>>76080209
Considering everything in the Forgeworld book that was over BS4+ got reigned in back to hitting on 4s, I think the Hammerheads are next on the chopping block.
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>>76080236
And they’re far cheaper
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>>76080247
>BS2+
How does he do it?
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What are you guys hoping that Dark Eldar get in their codex?
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>>76080232
>Also Tau weapons have been power-crept by Primaris weapons. Having S5 across the board doesn’t offset no AP and lower BS
What a strange thing to say. Pulse rifles and bolt guns were both AP 5 before the changes, now they're both AP 0.

Primaris power creeped everyone. Bitching about it is pointless.
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>>76080269
Sexy booby elves. A new unit powered by eldar lady breast milk.
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Daily life of a Catachan
https://youtu.be/MBbOyLZ62KY
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>>76080236
they still get generally trashed in melee outside ogryns
their psykers aren't particularly adept either
>>76080232
I'm saying the avg guard weapon is not only worse than the avg tau weapon, but that the shooter is of equivalent skill and we don't get marker lights either
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>>76080274
Think instead of a pain engine, a milk engine. But it looks like an eldar version of a penitent engine with a naked eldar girl strapped to the front with big heaving milk jugs being pumped.
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>>76080269
Expand the kabal/wyches/covens idea. Give me rules and different reasons to do single-party raids, two-party raids, and triple-party raids.
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Fuck, looks like bladeguard are better overall but I better roll a lot of 4s
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>>76080268
Well, since he doesn't have to learn a new set of skills because he refuses to get in the robot I imagine it allowed him to refine his skills as a fire warrior.
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>>76080298
Thry'll also have like half the points and have access to one of the better transports in the game
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>>76080298
PL 4 implies incubi will cost about 60% of what bladeguard vets cost.
>better overall
Sure, but specialized counter units are cool too.
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>>76080239
Nah, I don't think so. most of it was the fact that in 8th their BS was made to offset the move and shoot penalty. only the tigershark and manta were really hurt and they're more apocalypse units anyways.

If anything I hope it means there's ideas in the works to fix marker lights. I'll be optimistic.
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>>76080298
Assuming Drazhar keeps +1 wound aura they’ll wound marines on 2s
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>>76080288
>I'm saying the avg guard weapon is not only worse than the avg tau weapon, but that the shooter is of equivalent skill and we don't get marker lights either
Because you’re way fucking cheaper and are priced accordingly for not having that effect, while Tau units are, wether or not they are currently benefiting from them or not. You also have other abilities you can benefit from (orders are amazing value).
Fire Warriors are more comparable to Skitarri, which surprise surprise, have an easier time accessing buffs, can still take unique heavier weapons, and have a better BS and WS for the same cost.
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>>76079828
That's 700 points of chaos against 1000 points of necrons, which can't all fit into a legal detachment.
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>>76080288
No but you get orders. and access to heavy flamers. Also at least guard have those options. as opposed to krootox and ____.

Tau are basically 100% fucked the moment they see a C'tan.
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>>76080322
>I'll be optimistic.
I wish I had that. Considering the last codex was made by a guard player and had horrible internal balance.
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>>76080339
Fire warriors are priced appropriately because tau's army fantasy isn't supposed to be masses gunlines of infantry. Your infantry are just meant to be shit.
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>>76078712
>buy codex
>has no code for the app
fuck me, does a pic of the receipt work?
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>>76080373
Use battlescribe
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>>76080373
D-Did you buy an 8th ed codex
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>>76080269
>What are you guys hoping that Dark Eldar get in their codex?
Improved Splinter weapons
Good custom traits
Rules/Secondary objectives that let Dark Eldar play like raiders and opportunists instead of having to sit bodies on objectives all game; something that lets you steal them momentarily for a points swing would be good.
The ability to take Kabal/Cult/Coven mercs in other lists without fucking your detachments
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>>76080388
daemon codex
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>>76080398
>The ability to take Kabal/Cult/Coven mercs in other lists without fucking your detachments
They already teased that you can have mixed Kabal/Wych/Coven in a detachment without breaking anything so that should be interesting.
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>>76080406
8th ed codexes don't have online codes mate
Only 9th ed codexes do
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>>76080398
>Improved Splinter weapons
Unlikely seeing how necrons got fuckall to improve gauss, unless you want a splinter strat
>Good custom traits
These will probably be pretty sweet
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What would be the best youtube battlereport cross over and why would it be Lawrence from tabletop tactics vs Brian fron tabletop titans?
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>>76080339
>>76080348
I dunno dudes, tau fire warriors seem appropriately priced and set up for what they are
same cost as a scion team, with a more versatile standard weapon, 5 more bodies, the same armor, and 1 less bs but the potential to make it up a bit with markerlights
I would trade hotshots for any of the pulse weapons, even carbines
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>>76080418
figures because I had to find a video to see points changes.... I cant get chariot HQ stats
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Daily, threadly, postly reminder to Play Crusade.
>>76079805
Based
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>>76079313
Its beautiful
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>>76080424
what armies do they play?
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ok I take it back, not as good as I thought if it's 5 bodies to begin with and not 10 as I had assumed
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>>76080438
>more versatile standard loadout
I don't even play tau but you're either retarded or trolling. Their choice is between two S5 AP0 guns, one is shit and the other ok.
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>>76080469
do you think hotshits are better than pulse guns?
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>>76080485
With their better BS and decent AP value, yes.

Plus if you're not taking specials in your scion squad why are you even playing them.
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>>76080411
>They already teased that you can have mixed Kabal/Wych/Coven in a detachment without breaking anything so that should be interesting.
I hope so, it'd be real nice to take Reavers without a Succy/Wych tax.
>>76080421
I'm hoping at least theres one custom kabal option that gives splinter weapons some teeth, but I don't think a base AP increase for them in general is unreasonable
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>>76080438
Anon, Fire Warriors are literally shittier scions. S5 doesn’t offset no AP and 4+ BS. Plus, Scions have WAY more wargear choices and access to actually useful grenades, which they can make use of because they’re rocking a better BS stat.
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>>76080438
the fact that a scion squad can load up on special weapons and is bs3+ makes it more of a hammer. Getting that sort of firepower from a troops slot is huge.

Breachers would be the most comparable but with short ranged shot guns that need to be within 10" to just be st5 ap-1.

Pathfinders can get special weapons but they're nowhere near as good as a plasma gun and they cost more for lest weapons at bs4+ 5+ save and costing a fast attack slot instead of being troops.
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>>76080495
>and decent AP value
You fool.
User agnostic, 1/3 of hotshit shots will wound marines, and the AP causes 2/3 to fail their saves.
2/3 of pulse rifle shots will wound, and with no AP, 1/3 will fail their saves.
Raw wound generation of hotshits and pulse rifles is identical EXCEPT hotshits have gimped range and gutter trash 9" rapid fire.

If you want to bitch about Tau BS 4+, go for it.
But pulse rifles are absolutely A-Okay.
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What do you think of Breacher Teams and their Pulse Blasters at the moment?
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>>76080526
>If you want to bitch about Tau BS 4+
Not him, but that’s what the conversation’s been going on about. If Tau were to be upgraded to BS3+, I think most people would expect the infantry to remain at 4s.
>But pulse rifles are absolutely A-Okay.
They are, but combined with bad BS and a lack of AP, they’re just mediocre. That’s why people are using Breachers now because the playing field is saturated with power armor, so even if you have to get close in, Breachers are capable of more damage than Strike Teams with minimal support. Plus they get better synergies with Guardian Drones and new stratagems.
Fire Warriors for the most part aren’t what’s wrong with Tau. It’s the fact that basically everything else expects you to be paying for Markerlights and surrounding it with drones, while the first is dogshit, and the latter got nerfed with a 50% price increase, on top of everything getting more expensive.
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>>76080527
They're good. the table is smaller, and everyone is moving towards the middle anyways. their strats and ap and drone are all things that make them more interesting than regular strike teams.

They also have some neat synergies. but usually a lot of CP to to barely get more firepower.
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>>76080510
>>76080495
>>76080517
ofc stormies have better bs, they're supposed to be among the best humies
I don't get why you guys can't take pathfinder special weapons on firewarriors or get veteran firewarriors though
don't you guys get decent drone buffs for similar prices to scion special weapons?
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>>76080527
Cool but bad.
Most of the tau codex is bad though, so I can't fault breachers for that bit.

>>76080552
>pulse rifles just mediocre
That's the same as being okay. We're agreeing.
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>>76080526
Hotshots actually have a 15% higher chance to kill a marine than an equal amount of shots from pulse carbines.
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>>76080552
Also the fact that Tau don’t have a way to flip objectives via charging, the games last for fewer turns, the loss of fall back and shoot (big), and the gigantic nerfs they received in their forgeworld book. There’s literally nothing they have going for them at the moment that other armies can’t do better. I play both Tau and Ad Mech, and with the cogs, it’s a night and day difference.
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>>76080564
Care to explain?
If you post a graph with out any formulas, I'm going to laugh at you.
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>>76080556
>don't you guys get decent drone buffs
Only one I can think of is Guardian Drones giving Breachers a 5++. That’s pretty much it.
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>>76079394
I think Lokhust Heavy Destroyers were underestimated by a lot of reviewers. BS3+ re-rolling 1s is pretty reliable. They have a few ways to re-roll wounds - via destroyer lord re-roll 1s, command re-roll, or the 2cp re-roll all wounds strat. You can also spend 1 cp to guarantee a wound with one of them if you really need to make sure one goes through. A lot of those strats synergize well with a single shot that does a ton of damage. They're more fragile than their competition in that role, doomsday arks and canoptek doomstalkers, but they're much more effective when moving and shooting.
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>>76080499
>I'm hoping at least theres one custom kabal option that gives splinter weapons some teeth, but I don't think a base AP increase for them in general is unreasonable
I don't think there is a troop option that has anything so potent for that price range. Maybe scions, but they're kinda just an elite option pushed into the troop slot
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>>76080571
You horrifically understate the value of AP and you simplified your own math too much. I'm not just gonna put in the effort to spell out the formulas because honestly you come off like you'd ignore it anyways.
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>>76080571
Not him, but I’ve been plugging the profiles into the MathHammer app and Hotshots are showing better returns than pulse rifles.
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>>76080606
Don't post those, or he'd laugh at you.
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>>76080604
>>76080606
user agnostic, firing at marines:
>hotshots
1/3 wound, 2/3 fail saves
>pulse rifle
2/3 wound, 1/3 fail saves
regardless of weapon, the formula is x * 2/9 where x is number of shots.

How is this over simplified?

I'm not familiar with the mathhammer app. Does it let you set the BS manually, or does it force you to compare units?
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>>76080626
you're being trolled
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>>76080631
are you telling me I made this spreadsheet for nothing
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>>76080626
Your math is missing the BS skill of the unit, which is the biggest argument here. It would look like this:

>Scion w/ rapidfire Hotshot
>2 shots
>66% hit chance, so 1.3333 hits
>33% wound chance, so .4444 wounds
>33% chance for marine to save, so damage total is .2962

Fire Warriors w/ rapidfire Pulse Rifle
>2 shots
>50% hit chance, so 1 hit
>66% wound chance, so .6666 wounds
>66% chance for marine to save, so damage total is .2222

The hotshot actually has a better return when shooting at a Marine.
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>>76080653
>tau profile
>BS3
Based retard
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>>76080626
Does saying user agnostic mean you're just ignoring chance to hit? That's not how 40k works bub.
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>>76080653
Yes. Hotshits are AP -2. You have them at AP -3

>>76080660
>your math is missing the BS
That's why I stated user agnostic. I am specifically refuting the claim that pulse rifles are bad because they lack AP. No. That's wrong. I stated this back in >>76080562


We are agreeing that fire warriors shooting sucks because of BS 4+.
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>>76080671
I also messed up the hotshot ap so ignore that
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>>76080677
>I am specifically refuting the claim that pulse rifles are bad because they lack AP. No. That's wrong.
They’re bad because of the COMBINATION of no AP, bad BS, and a lack of options. I think that’s the point trying to be made for Fire Warriors being mediocre infantry.
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>tfw tau baseline soldiers are comparative equipment wise to the most elite baseline human soldiers in the imperium
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>>76080690
s5/ap0 and s3/ap2 have the same chance to wound a marine and they're the same cost as a scion tho
just stick markerlights on them lmao, like how hard could that be. jesus just do your army gimmick haha
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>>76080690
Pulse rifles don't have BS. They're not a unit.

I am saying pulse rifles are fine.
You are saying fire warriors are bad.

We are not disagreeing.

Figuring out puzzles like pic related must be fucking magic to you.
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>>76080677
>user agnostic
Setting scions to bs4+, both guns have the same chance to take a wound off a marine. Unfortunately for you, differing ballistic skills are taken into account when discussing units. The best you can hope for is ignoring the amount of buffs a unit receives from outside sources.
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>>76080713
I'm not talking about units I'm talking about weapon profiles.
The pulse rifle does not need a buff. It is absolutely fine.
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>>76080694
Which aren’t exactly praised for their effectiveness in the tabletop on the first place. Are you sure you want to dig this hole?
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>>76080526
>>76080709

pulse rifles are fine. But they're the same stat line as burst cannons and smart missile systems and cluster rockets and any gun drone. Its nice to a have a higher floor. but the options for anti meq and other weaponry really drops off. heavy bolters and meltas got buffed and your plasma is st7 overcharges to st8

mean while
Burst cannons are ST 5 ap- D1 compared to heavy bolters. Heavy bolters are 2 pts more than a burst cannon but with twice the range, one less shot but more ap and damage.
Tau plasma rifles are St6 ap-3 D1 with no option to overcharge compared to imperial plasma probably one of the more useless guns in the codex. again imperial plasma is only 2pts more than a tau plasma gun.
Missile pods which are autocannon equivalents are St7 ap-1 D3 and cost 5 pts more and have less range (though 36"is more than enough, and they're assault weapons)
Fusion blasters are nice, their range is midway between a melta and multimelta but it didn't get the melta rule changes that other races meltas got. so its 18" vs 12" but it cost 5pts more.
Cyclic ion blaster is the most interesting being st7 ap-1 d1 overcharges to St8 ap-1 dd3. but even still random damage instead of flat two and only ap-1. its 15pts
Hunter killer missiles are ST10 ap-2 d6, while seeker missiles are st8 ap-2 d6, and the seeker missile needs a marker light to even fire.

All tau special weapons are worse and cost more than their imperial equivalents, and the argument of well they get buffed by marker lights doesn't hold water because you're already paying the markerlight tax by having to take marker light units anyways. If you want AP-2 on any of them you have to buy a special piece of wargear which only works on battlesuits.

This isn't to say the tau are bad at killing things. they aren't, but they have bigger problems right now mainly that they are terrible at actually taking and holding objectives, and they can't deal with C'tan like entities at all.
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>>76080720
who isn't praised for their effectiveness?
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>>76080707
>s5/ap0 and s3/ap2 have the same chance to wound a marine and they're the same cost as a scion tho
>factoring out the BS skill once more
Based retard
>just stick markerlights on them lmao, like how hard could that be. jesus just do your army gimmick haha
Because Markerlights are fucking garbage and if you were even taking them in the first place (people run FSE for the purpose of not having to take them), then you wouldn’t waste them on buffing your infantry, you’d use them for the stuff that actually does damage like suits and tanks.
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>>76080722
>All marine special weapons are worse and cost more than their tau equivalents, and the argument of well they get buffed by captains and lieutenants doesn't hold water because you're already paying the HQ tax by having to take support units anyways.
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>>76080727
Kroot
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>>76080722
Thank you.
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>>76080736
>ballistic skill skill
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>>76080719
Alright, then lets talk about units then

A Scion stat line is
M6" WS3+ BS3+ ST3 T3 W1 A1 LD6 SV4+ can deep strike gets frag and krak grenades

A firewarrior stat line is
M6" WS5+ BS4+ ST3 T3 W1 A1 LD6 SV4+
gets a nominal leadership ability for moral purposes, Gets a grenade that causes enemies to hit at -1 in close combat.

they are both the same points. Ignoring the weapons, which would you prefer to take?
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>>76080738
>All marine special weapons are worse and cost more than their tau equivalents
*laughs in Cawl*
>you have to take support units
Fuck me, I WISH I had easy access to rerolling wound rolls in an aura.
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>>76080738
Except that's fucking wrong.

All the marine equivalents are the exact same points cost as their guard equivalents and the same functionality. The premium is paid for the better body to wield it.
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Starting layout for the animation
It'll probably probably take about 6 months for me to finish, maybe a bit more or less depending on my actual job.
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>>76080757
Scions because I'm not a faggot who likes blueberries
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I can only have half my army in Strategic Reserves for deep strikes and such, right?
Do units in transports count as that? Since my dudes in a Rhino aren't actually on the board?
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>>76080757
Whichever one I like the models for
Picking units or models based on rules or stats is for faggots
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>>76080780
Not if you play marines and use drop pods.
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>>76080782
That's granted but we're specifically talking unit comparisons.
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>>76080780
No, those are embarked units, and are different than reinforcements.
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>>76080782
Yes yes, we know. You don’t need to try that hard to fit in.
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>>76080780
Being in a transport counts as being deployed.

Reserves are for things that are outflanking, or deep striking and are completely off the table.

A unit that is embarked in a transport that is outflanking would count against that limit however.
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>>76080757
Yeah ofc you're go scion but they're practically a different role.
Fire warriors should probably see a points reduction but they seem to be meant to function more like regular guard squads whereas scions really should still be in the elite slot.
They cost more points than the avg guard squad by having more consistent shooting and better armor saves, though they probably pay a bit too much for it.
It's WS4+ btw
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>>76080783
>>76080796
>>76080804
Oh ok. So there's nothing to stop me from putting all my units in Rhinos in deployment, so long as I have enough Rhinos, except common sense? Trying to get my mechanized infantry on.
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>>76080769
dope dude.
perhaps /tg/ still gets shit done...
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>>76080821
Correct.
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>>76080769
lookin forward to it
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>>76080821
You can have as many transports as you have infantry units, so sure. They're the only thing that ignores the rule of three outside troops.
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>>76080805
>Fire warriors should probably see a points reduction
That's where balancing gets complicated, seeing as GW decided we were bringing too many cultists and not enough CSM and brought the price up.
But it's okay for Guard to have low ppm infantry spam, because I guess that's the theme of the army?

I guess GW is trying to tell tau players that fire warrior gunlines aren't allowed, and they should use more battle suits?
What a shitty move.
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Is it my imagination or does AOS have a more even distribution of attention for their factions than 40k? I know nothing about AOS so it's possibly a superficial observation. I do know that primarishits receive a lot of attention in 40k relative to the other factions.
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>>76080861
nah the AoS management is generally more competent, it's pretty obvious that the 40k team plays favorites and generally steals most of their good ideas from AoS.
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>>76080853
>I guess GW is trying to tell tau players that fire warrior gunlines aren't allowed, and they should use more battle suits?
And then they increase Shield Drone cost by 50% and take away falling back and shooting with FLY.
I’m expecting a full rework for the faction, honestly.
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>>76079125
they've tried that with rise of the phoenix and it failed horribly.
which of course was also because of the stupid high price.
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>>76080861
they do, especially since they haven't focused on stormcast in ages now
I really wish my 40k group would give AOS a shot desu
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>>76080226
I know you've probably never had sex but 99% of women are aware of when they are about to menstruate and wear pads/tampons to sleep
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How good are chaos havocs?
I feel like they are too squishy to get any good shooting done.
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>>76080805
Not really. Scions are still troops that cost the same with the same survivability and better rules. A firewarriors role in a tau army is to be objective secured bodies and to fill out force org slots so you can get CP.

A Scion unit can do a firewarriors role, and better since they can deep strike in for the same cost. A firewarrior would not be able to do a scions role of dropping in with special weapons. Scions are superior in almost every case. the only exception is when firewarriors are shooting at lightly armored t4-5 infantry at more than 9" but less than 15" away. Honestly in this comparison I'm embarrassed to say that I always thought Scions were Elite choices and were balanced their special rules with that. The fact that they're troops made me realize just how much better imperial armies have it.

And in the end, you still don't think a scions unit is good for actually playing objectives. while for Tau that's their only option for play objectives. (I guess you can count kroot, but kroot cost the same as a guardsmen with the same toughness and only a 6+ save so lol)
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>>76080895
>but kroot cost the same as a guardsmen with the same toughness and only a 6+ save so lol
Kroot are 1 point more expensive
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>>76080893
Potentially good but they are squishy and you need to keep them protected somehow. AL and IW can do so with strats, otherwise keep them in a Rhino or Strategic Reserves them, they don't suffer from the move and fire penalties most infantry do so they're good like that. Don't be afraid to pump CP into getting the most out of their turn (Veterans, Cacophony, etc) because they'll die soon after but Chaincannons/HB or anti tank can make them do a lot of work before they do.
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>>76080836
>>76080846
At the moment I'm working on the file, folder and layer organisation for it.
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>>76080917
they have better ws and a better weapon too tho
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>>76080917
I honestly forgot how fucking stupid kroot carnivores are as a unit right now.

tau do need a rework. And I doubt its coming any time soon. But that's okay It doesn't really change the way I play
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>>76080879
the problem is aos may have better rules but the setting is so much uglier and less appealing than 40k
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>>76079313
this is lore accurate, I would spend all day playing against this
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>>76080972
and worse save and leadership and 20% more expensive for a min squad.
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>>76080893
Havocs are literally just gravis marines now and I don't remember anyone calling aggressors squishy
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>>76079587
What makes Chaos Knights so much higher than Imperial Knights?
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>>76080980
Just play wfb armies that got ported over then

>>76081039
Being able to pick relics and wlts before the game, they have way more specific things that let them toolbox
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Okay, Sigvald looks fantastic. Now where's Lucius?
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>>76081049
what if I want to play a weird military sci fi army like the guard though
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>>76081132
guard aren't weird or sci-fi at all though.
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>>76081132
Then play the Guard?
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>>76079961
>5th
>good
opinion discarded
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>>76081149
he said play aos
I said it's setting and aesthetic is worse than 40k's
he said to play whfb armies that got ported

>>76081146
literally anything I described the guard as I knew someone like you would pop up
also yeah okay, nothing weird or sci fi about commandos in knightly plate with laser guns or ww1 tanks with plasma turrets
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>>76081132
Play cities, they have steamtanks
they're trash tho
Or skaven, cocainepunk is scifi
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>>76079873
>>76079882
look it worked because it threw out all the sweats from one store and they moved to another, effectively splitting the community between autists and non-autists. you can still have comp lists, the opponent just needs to be aware.

as for the crusade shit, I only heard rumours, I don't play 40k unless I know they aren't a greasy motherfucker.
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>>76081132
>still fishing for AoS hate
its been 6 years, I don't really understand how the fuck people are still complaining about it
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>>76081181
Knowing what the actual cover looks like and the /aosg/ bitchfit over it, that edit feels a little bit sad.
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>>76081163
>also yeah okay, nothing weird or sci fi about commandos in knightly plate with laser guns or ww1 tanks with plasma turrets
Every other faction is both weirder and more sci-fi than guard. Even marines, vanilla as they are, aren't as mundane. They're the most normie of factions, and I'm not talking playerbase.
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Remember when we saw the new RP rules and thought it was just a bad FNP? Has anybody tried wiping a 20 man unit of warriors?
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>>76079313
Exceptionally based grotanon.
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>>76079336
Movement trays are op and need to be nerfed.
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>>76079361
It's unbelievably boring. It's just "how many grots can I kill before they've swarmed my objectives and autowin". Now slap a few KFFs on there and they're fucking impossible to remove.
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>>76081181
I like playing humans, so my only option is the trash faction that has to look like landsknechts then
AoS is fine, like I said, sounds like a better game mechanically, but at least for me, not nearly as good aesthetically or fluffily
>>76081196
I'm not, he just said to play AoS and I'm just saying that ain't an option 4 me
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>>76079591
Coven will get the biggest upgrades because they are expensive. The void raven bomber will become a must take because it is much more expensive than the razor wing.
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Wish we'd get a Lost and the Damned army some day.
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>>76081222
It was mostly shit posting about destroyers.
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>>76081256
They already have 6++ from new kulture, too.
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Is mephiston even good rn
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>>76081244
At that point you'd need movement trays for your movement trays.
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>>76081265
AoS was able to escape the grog crunch swamp that was WHFB

40ks still stuck in it
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>>76081265
>trash faction
???
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>>76081355
I was really hoping the fall of Cadia would be a setting reset on par with AoS but here we are still stuck with all this chud shit :/
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>>76081366
Honestly cadia should've fallen abaddon moves to terra fights dante like sigmar vs archaon

Setting ends
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>>76081346
he's a primaris librarian that's much stronger in close combat, is much harder to kill, knows an extra power and is a little faster in exchange for about 60 more points. as always, wait for the codex (supplement).
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>>76081366
Anon, what does chud mean in this context?
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>>76081375
So he is good at the moment
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>>76081277
Id be DAMNED if we dont
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>Rust and Rot
>Adeptus Mechanicus
>Death Guard
>Drukhari
>Imperial Guard
When was the last time a xenos faction got top billing in one of these war zone books? I mean where they were a focus of the conflict, not just a sideshow actor that was doing stuff on the sidelines.
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Yesterday I restrained myself from buying the scions start collecting box.
I did all the calculations of how much you save and with third party+box discount it's almost the 50%.
But having only 3 info squads and wanting a more veteran focused army I'm not sure if I should or not

Please guardfags help
I have catachans btw
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So since we are in 9rh now is 6th edition a good edition? I think its old enough
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>>76081458
Never, this campaign book is basically to tie together their next few codexs which is free of primaris.

I have a feeling book two will have chaos knight carapace weapons
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>>76081379
he means the imperium still exists as grimdark good guys instead of being wiped and replaced with an idealistic capeshit tier faction
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>>76081277
this is the only krieger image I've ever seen that made me actually like them
probably cause it looks like they're fighting for their lives instead of being grimderp clones
>>76081363
I'm just describing the faction how the aos guy described them
he said city had steam tanks or something and they're close to what I like but not to play them cause they're actually trash
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Fixing Tau is going to start with Fire Warriors going to 3+ and pulse rifles getting AP -1 baseline, with other weapons improved. Suits are going to get a "shoot twice" thing whether stratagem or wargear or something. There'll be a melee variant or unit of some kind. It's going to be glorious.

You'll see Tau back without even needing to Riptide and you'll finally stop bitching about fucking Marines.
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>>76081498
Neither CoS nor steamtanks are bad, Cities is currently popular in tournaments and an overall solid faction. Midtier at worst.
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>>76079519
>Tau lost decisively to necrons+craftworld allience started from craftworld+tau alliance against said necron dynasty
Wait what? A Necron + Craftworld Alliance?
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>>76081512
>Fixing Tau is going to start with Fire Warriors going to 3+ and pulse rifles getting AP -1 baseline,
I'll accept AP-1 and maybe the shasui getting bs 3+, but what you suggested is too much.
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>>76081518
Temporary truce. Craftworlds turned on Tau allies due to a prophesy showing Tau as too dangerous for the craftworlds' survival if their enemy necron dynasty are beaten.
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>>76081568
Where is this from?
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>>76080675
for backsitting yes
for aggressive obj securing flamer are better
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>>76081586
Wanted to say 8e Tau or Eldar codex, but nope. It was a short codex-like entry.
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>>76081482
Not wanting the setting to attract nazis isnt as controversial as you want it to be
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>>76081346
wait for the codex to know
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>>76081458
Well since "War Zone" books were skipped in 8th and only showed up in 7th, it's been 5 years.
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Where are the DG codex leaks aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
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>>76081690
Its not gonna be out for a while guy
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>>76081698
Weren't they supposed to be released early in December? Just wishful hoping. I want to consoom, haven't bought any shit for 6 months.
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>>76081690
What leaks?
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>>76081756
I forgot but no one has it to leak
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>>76081690
It's been years since the last consistent rule leak that wasn't the week before the release anon.
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Animation anon here
Would a hotshot lasgun/ hellgun push the victim back?
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>>76081813
No
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>>76080037
>>76080058
>>76080071
>t. lorelets
a knight fitting the chapter symbol somewhere amongst their heraldry, sure, but there's no way they would replace it all.
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>>76080124
it's easy to get away with not highlighting if you make a heavy use of metallics.
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>>76079765
>hating someone's models
>acting autistic about it
Fucking with another man's models is like fucking with another man's car

Please kill yourself
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>>76081789
The pixelated leak was right
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>>76079765
Time to make a marine knight to piss you off
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> Just popped 30mg of Oxycodone and am building a squad of Intercessors while listening to the Warhammer Community podcast about Adeptus Titanicus

What are you working on tonight, /tg/?
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>>76081937
Im watching early simpsons while getting ready to photograph my army
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>>76081885
>tfw I made the mspaint mockup of what kitbash I thought it was
as penance for my shame I will buy, build, and paint one of these abominations
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>>76081937
Spent my weekend painting metallic trim on 5 plague marines
I hate trim
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>>76081690
Your book isn't out for a month yet probably, DG and BA are probably next weeks previews.
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>>76081978
What army?

>>76081998
I like painting trim, but it always takes forever because I am hyper anal when it comes to not fucking up. My paintjobs look pretty mediocre in general, but my trim is fucking primo.
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>>76081690
Death Guard Codex leaks:

Got a boost: peepee
Got a nerf: poopoo
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>>76081979
You realize it couldn't possibly have been a kitbash of those models because those kits are dramatically different sizes, right?
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>>76080109
>Tyranids
>winning
>9th edition
HAHAHAhahahaha...ha..eh....
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>>76081937
>What are you working on tonight, /tg/?
Debating whether I want to paint some of my remaining CSM stuff as Word Bearers or <My Dudes>, I have a bunch of each already.
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>>76082014
I didn't think it was a real kitbash, I thought it was a photoshop edit that was then pixelated to hide any blemishes or signs that it was an edit and not a real model.
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>>76082007
Blood angels
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>>76082048
Unless you already have Word Bearers, I'd suggest <Your Dudes> since they're your children and you could always 'counts as'
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So when are we getting the others
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>>76080163
Those your iron hands? How do you do your black?
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>>76082048
<your dudes> is my recommendation. My favorite part of the hobby is making my own shit up.

>>76082059
If I could go back to when I first started playing, I would have done a Blood Angels successor instead of the army I built.

Between 40k, 30k, and Space Hulk, the Blood Angels have the coolest fucking models. There is so much detail and iconography, it's amazing.
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>>76082071
we're not, the impulsor already counts as the hunter/stalker/whirlwind depending on what gun you take, and technically the rhino as well if you take the shield. It's only really the vindicator that lacks an equivalent.
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>>76081979
The nuspeeder wouldn't be so bad if it didn't have the superfluous 3rd retard on top and also wasn't the size of a tank anyway making you wonder what the point of differentiation even is now. It's the other hovershit that's the real problem.
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>>76082067
>Unless you already have Word Bearers
I do, I have about 1000+ points of each.
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>>76079765
Hear me out here: House Kobalt, also known (through heavy self-promotion) as the Lictors of Ultramar. A noble Knight House from the Realm of Ultramar, they claim descent from the age-old dynasty of Konor Guilliman and hold the Primarch Roboute Guilliman in the highest esteem. They have historically cultivated close ties to the Ultramarines and have maintained a close relationship to every individual Lord Macragge since the days of the Great Crusade. Drawing on their prodigal heritage, it is with utmost pride that they dye their engines of war the very same blue as is dyed the Ultramarines' ceramite panoply, and by the ancient House Guilliman's leave the Knights Kobalt, too, display the heraldic ultra-symbol of the Ultramarines.
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>>76081813
Bullets dont carry enough kinetic energy to push back human targets. Its a Hollywood trope, so light push back even less.
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Is there any better matchup than Terminators vs Genestealers?
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>>76082133
Hormagants vs imperial guard infantry.
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>>76082107
>There is so much detail and iconography
*blocks your path*
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>>76082110
A sabre/vindicator impulsor would be sick but considering FW ruined the sabre itll never happen
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>>76082053
'aight
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>>76082157
>Fw doesnt understand DA
What a shock
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>>76082133
> No
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Brainlet here learning the rules

If you charge a unit, then in the fight phase you first resolve attacks by the charging unit, and then resolve attacks by the charged unit on the charging unit? Or does the latter part only happen in the fight phase of the other player?
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>>76082159
there's no need for a tank destroyer version since the gladiator covers it, but an assault gun mite be cool
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>>76082159
Ain't that just the HH hull salbre.
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>>76082157
> Chaos worshipping literal homos

No thank you
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>>76082129
Yes but a hotshot lasgun would probably cause a small explosion from the victim's internal fluids instantly vaporizing.
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>>76082143
Come to think of it, though I've seen plenty of official artwork of Guardsmen pit against Nids, I can't name a single major conflict where that was the focus. It's usually Space Marines who are the focus when Hive Fleets get beat back. I'm not sure the IG is mentioned at all in the first and second Tyrannic Wars.
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>>76082173
the former
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>>76082169
Those are pre-heresy DA.

The Deathwing didn't exist yet.
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>>76082173
All chargers fight first.
Then the opposing player picks a non-charged unit to fight after all the chargers.
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>>76082178
I am hoping for a baal Gladiator
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>>76079183
>I'm you, but stronger
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>>76082190
Imperial Armour 4 was Elysians (and Ordo Xenos) Vs Tyranids.
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>>76081885
That's why I said rule leaks
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>>76082194
The Deathwing existed. It was one of the six wings of the Hexagrammaton. It just didn't have a Native American theme going on yet.
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>>76082190
Imperial guard dies so space marines can be the heroes.
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>>76082173
All Charging units fight, one after another.
Then players take turns activating their units which are in combat that didn't charge this turn one at a time starting with the player whose turn it isn't.
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>>76082209
Not canon
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>>76082180
As opposed to genetically degenerate homos?
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>>76082169
How so? The colors and heraldry look like they're on point.
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>>76082294
FW doesn't understand warhammer whatso ever
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>>76082229
It's 40K
Everything is canon. Even the stupidest "yourdudes" fan fiction written by a 12 year old about his super secret chapter of turbo primaris marines is still canon.
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>>76082305
>It's 40K
>Nothing is canon. Even the longest most arduously documented campaign can be invalidated at will.
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>>76082133
In my mind War Zone: Octarius is the coolest shit.
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>>76082133
orks vs orks
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>>76080895
Well, that was your riptide tax.
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>>76082305
Not true whatsoever the reissues of ian watsons space marine explicitly explain that its not entirely canon
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>>76082321
The IA shit is some of the worst material made for 40k, FW doesn't understand warhammer at all
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>>76079591
I just want the new Lelith to drop so I can sell my backlog of 4 old Leliths for absurd prices.
Can't wait to get Incubi with that sweet cash.
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>>76082361
Im waiting for the new deldar stuff to come out so I can call it nuwarhammer garbage
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>>76082369
Want to buy old superior Lelith for 100 Dorra, my esteemed and valued potential customer?
You wouldnt want to field Nuhammer Lelith, would you?
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>>76082388
I dont play 40k so no
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>>76082305
>Everything is canon.
The Squat ships who’ve left the galaxy and conquered a nearby galaxy is canon?
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>>76082305
Everything is canon? I always guessed that Omegon’s death was like this. Now I know it’s canon.
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>>76082418
Yup.
And those same squats also got eaten by Tyranids.
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>>76082452
B-But I thought it was canon that they ate the Tyranids!
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>>76082460
>>76082452
>>76082418

The everythings canon approach reffers to unreliable narrators so theres some record somewhere that says the squats did x and another record that says y but which one is actually true is unknown
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>>76082305
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>>76082442
And he was also sodomized to death by catachan devil toads.

Everything's canon, nothing is canon, now go write your fanfic in silence.
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Harsh but deserved.
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>>76082489
>all the Xenos DNA
this requires extra purging
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>>76082523
Space Marines aren't human
ergo Space Marines are xenos
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>>76082555
I'll happily purge other chapters aswell
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>>76079437
Doesn't matter. Only matters if it's well painted.
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>>76081346
Losing Wings and the various combat boosts weakened him a lot relative to the codex. He'll probably be fine again once the supplement comes out, But I think you're better off with a Libby Dread or just going a totally different direction with the Sanguinor or Astorath instead.
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>>76078712
>TD
filenames are gay
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>>76082890
>>76082890
>>76082890
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>>76078712
My schools makerspace will soon get a resin 3D printer so I can finally print actual minis. And I really want to make two or three small armies so I can try 40K with some friends. We are on the fence, and I am a fan of the "try it before you buy it" approach, so it might be the last push for all of us.
How many models would you need for a small army? and how many points would a small army consist of? As for factions, I know one of them are a big Necron fan, and I really want to do Death Korps. The last would be Space marines, Nurlge or Orks. Probably Orks, since they are my favorite faction.
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>>76080268
GW forgot that HQs only get 2+ stats if the basic guy is 3+
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>>76080098
You'd also wear a fucking helmet but we are not exactly going for realism here
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>>76081460
Yeah, GW fucked us by not allowing us to take Vets in Carapace armour.
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>>76079719
daww
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>>76082489
These dudes sound awesome, can't wait for them to crush the rift when they march to war.
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>>76082899
A small army of most of those factions is quite a few models, not to mention the fact that actually learning how to 3D print well is an entire hobby by itself. I don’t recommend it for what you are describing.

Go and buy an Elite box (or command if you want some terrain and are willing). An Elite box is $80 - and split with another friend that’s only $40 each. It’ll give you a few necron units and marine units so you can do what you’re describing that you want to do - try out the game. that’s of course assuming you even need models - when I started my friends and I used cardboard proxies until we built our armies.



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