Previous:>>76061022This is a thread about EDH/Commander, a 100-card singleton format that is currently the most popular way to play the game.>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.http://www.edhrec.com/>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity.http://mtglands.com/>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices.http://www.tappedout.net>CARD SEARCHhttps://scryfall.com>TQ:Are there any cards you've had to replace due to power creep or a new card that's a straight upgrade?
>>76069270fuck niggers and fuck jannies
>>76069270>Are there any cards you've had to replace due to power creep or a new card that's a straight upgrade?Took toymaker out of Keiga for thieving Skydiver. It hurts watching cute deck tech get axed for a card that likely goes into every monou deck
>>76069270Not really, but I've had to remove stax pieces because it just wasn't fun watching other people not play the game.Which hurt my deck immensely because it was mono-red artifacts
>he builds oppressive ad fuck decks to stop his friends from ever playing the game
>>76069332I had a mono-R control deck that essentially helped craw and punished spikes/johnnies. It was pretty fun but after awhile I noticed people would bring their strongest decks against it and would make me archenemy
>>76069270It's Nighthawk Vampire+. But I'm going to run both for fun reasons.
This is my wife
>>76069270Why would you play kharador over muldrotha?
MTG jumped the shark
>>76069490You get access to white hatebear pieces
>>76069431Your wife is getting fucked by a ghost. Or will become a lesbian in the upcoming set.
>>76069506Tbh who gives a shitMtg is one of the best games available for the specific reason that they cant change what you already have.Once you have the cards in your hands, that's it. They cant take the experience from you.They cant patch it forcing you to play a certain way, hell you could play companion the exact way it was released if you chose.They cant take your cards because they find them racist 20 years later, they cant nerf or buff your deck, they cant make you buy dlcs to play with new people.
>>76069586Nah, they'll declare that she's asexual. Gotta get that representation.
>>76069490So you don't get either made fun of or out and out excluded from groups.
I packed the new sakashima and I kind of want to build a steal/copy deck.Anyone you would recommend to head the deck?
>>76069493>>76069579>>76069649I'm probably gonna go for muldrothaKharador seems pretty shit plus>wh*te
>>76069788>I'm probably gonna go for muldrothaJust be aware that 1) if your group is competent, you'll be archenemy and/or 2) if your group is craw, they're gonna power creep real quick
>>76069671Tormod and Sakashima with Gyruda as a companion.
I gotta tell ya, looking at my newly acquired etched foils. They really are great looking. Mono white ones especially look so good.
>still playing mtg
>>76070631>I'm mad other people have funGo back to TCC Brian
>playgroup couldn't hold back and bought boxes>I'll have to contend with a bunch of Jeweled Lotuses and shit nowfuck
>>76070743It'll literally just be this anon don't worry
>>76069788White is an excellent support color that gives great removal and hate pieces.
>>76070812>implying playing your commander unanswered means you win the game
>>76070743True alphas don't even need Jeweled Lotus to be goodI have Rhys the Redeemed as my commander and I can play him T1 anyway
>>76070851Go fuck yourself, Ari. Fucking hack
>>76070893Grand Arbiter?Omnath?Hell even a T1 Atraxa is scary
>>76070946>T1 Atraxa>three mana of any one colorHow you pulling that one off, champ?
>>76070937Don't get me wrong, White is shit as a main color right now, but you can definitely play it as a supplementary color because it has shit like Teferi's Protection, Swords, Path, Wraths, Hushwing, etc.
Do you give up super easy? At one LGS I go to there a bunch of people who tend to give up if they can't get a good opening hand or don't pull certain cards.You aren't a pussy, right?
>>76070959Black and blue have plenty of removal supieor to whites and green doesn’t even care anymore about what your board state is vs theirs, they can still overrun over.
>>76070946Yeah, they're not winning the game right out the gate. You've given yourself a strong lead, but all it takes is one piece of removal and you're right back where you started, but with a more expensive commander to recast. And before you say it>dies to removalYes, things die to removal. Other players might not have any in hand when you cast it, but they're going to get a full turn rotation or two of draws before you'll likely be able to protect it with counterspells. Also, like the other anon said>casting Atraxa with Jeweled Lotus
>>76070957LandDark RitualLotus PetalJeweled LotusChrome Mox
>>76071022I wouldn't say plenty, but yes, Black and Blue get good removal too. Black getting good removal is a moot point since both Karador and Muldrotha have Black, so it comes down to what you want from your third color. White offers better hate pieces and some decent combo pieces like Reveillark, which Karador works pretty well with. Blue and Black being good for removal doesn't change the fact that White is good as a support color.
>>76071059>4 specific cards
>>76071059>using 6 of your starting 8 cards to power out a commander that doesn't do anything without some other source of counters>4 of the cards used aren't even on the board afterwardsTen billion IQ play
>>76071096ANY FUCKING COLOR IS A GOOD SUPPORT COLOR.
>>76071104>How you pulling that one off, champ?With four specific cards.
>>76071104>but I have to deal with Jeweled Lotus in my playgroup now, it's so unfair!Now you realize that Jeweled Lotus is nothing to worry about you whiney retard
>>76071131Not true. Red is kind of shit as a support color unless you're really hurting for artifact removal. I'd take White over it as a secondary color unless my primary color is Red.
commanders for this feel
>>76071131So what you're saying is that >>76069788 is wrong for decrying White just like I said in my original post?
>>76071172>Bird that's always aroundDerevi
>>76069270Was thinking of building a Sakshima of a Thousand Faces partner deck with maybe Thrasios since Green has the most clone effects after blue but I wanted to consult /tg/'s opinion as I am doing clone tribal as the theme. TQ: Yes mostly meta specific but split second and uncounterable cards are super fucking good in my meta so I have had to phase cards in and out as better answers are printed.
>tfw WOTC will over-correct mono-white and make it the single strongest color, breaking all the color pie rules
>>76071240I fully expect this.
>>76071240Sweet, another color can finally rival green and blue
>>76071214>Derevi etched less than $10I stroke my cock to this
>>76071240Isn't that how we got here? White weenie used to win a few tournies so they decided the whole color needed to be shit for a while.
>>76071240finally white might be palatable my mono white old Odric Soldier Tribal needs all the help it can get.
How the fuck do you get rid of top without them putting it on the top of their library.
>>76071240>Whenever you gain life, draw that many cards
>>76071383stax piece that makes artifacts enter tapped
Should I build:>Silas Renn+Arxis Dimir ArtifactsOr >Silas Renn+Toggo Grixis ArtifactsOr just do Esper with that one white chick?
>>76071454>cheating by ignoring the singleton ruleYou lost before playing your first spell, good job
>>76071532Its commander draft
>>76071558ah yes those cards are in legends
>>76071454Wait a minute...Isn't it discard pile and not graveyard?
>>76071393>Enchantment or EoT effect:>Instead of Preventing damage, you may draw that many cards.
>>76071034GAAIV seems particularly gross because cutting costs for your own shit on T2 is good, and the tax ensures that it won't be immediately removed. That line of play WILL put you ahead and let you assemble your boardstate before anyone else. Urza will also put you well ahead, and Jhoira can start nonsense several turns early. Those are just three off the top of my head that would be groan-inducing to see T1.My real problem with Lotus though is that even if it does what it's designed to do the INTENDED GOAL is to randomly create non-games.
>>76070812>I win turn one>Aw no-fun, lets leave.Yeah, that totally lines up with how cEDH is definitely not upping the price on any card.
Forgive me boys, I'm about to sin with azorius equipment
>>76071383Between thassa's oracle and other degenerate combos, stifle goes in every list with access to blue at this point.
>>76069617RC and wizards can decide to ban your cards for being problematic though :^)
>>76069353Do people usually not adapt to new threats in the meta? Like if I come in with Oloro pillow fort will people just continue with the same Xenagos rush down for an extended period of time?
>>76071679Just play more low cost target removal if this is a problem for you? Plow/path bolt/chain lightning etc
>>76071383Destroy in response to them tapping it
How do you close out games with stax
>>76072290You don't, you just wait for everyone else to concede
>>76072290When your opponents can't maintain a board presence, even a 1/1 is eventually a wincon.
>>76072290You wait for the store to close.
>>76072290Depends on your deck? Beatdowns with your commander while they can't do anything about it, approach of the second sun, any sort of combo.My Glissa goes for either lattice+karn lockdown or aetherflux+top+citadel for example.
>>76072399Checked>>76072290That are usually some odd combos/wincons that most of the stax decks run around my meta but that is because you dont want to be a that guy.
What's something that's fun to play against?I want to hear absolutely ZERO complaints about my deck, I don't care if I win. I want to have fun and it seriously bums me out if my deck is ruining other people's nights. The best luck I've had with different strategies so far is tribal. The Ur Dragon being the one I enjoy the most, but it still gets complaints about eminence and the few good cards like scourge of valkas/the throne and terror of the peaks.The other tribal decks I've tested out, zombies, merfolk, elves, vampires, I find myself leaning into some kind of combo and end up hating the deck because if I ever overrun or do any combo that deck will be marked as "has a combo in it" for the rest of time. Ya know, after typing this my friends have decks like niv mizzet, meren, edgar that do the things they complain about. Maybe it's time I'm just done.
>>76069617>They cant patch it forcing you to play a certain way, hell you could play companion the exact way it was released if you chose.Functional errata>They cant take your cards because they find them racist 20 years laterInvoke Prejudice>they cant nerf or buff your deck, they cant make you buy dlcs to play with new peoplePower creep
>>76072549>Ya know, after typing this my friends have decks like niv mizzet, meren, edgar that do the things they complain about. Maybe it's time I'm just done.Find a new playgroup and play stuff that you think is fun. Who gives a shit what others think about you or your deck. You don't owe anything to anyone. Play what you want, pussybtw mayael is fun
>>76072290Is it just stax flavored or full on prison?The former usually stalls until it assembles a comboThe latter can just poke their opponents to death with Brago or whatever
>>76072290Either hardlock or softlock with a big beater and kill everyone one by one.
>>76072290Deadeye + Derevi + Gilded Lotus for infinite manaBlasting Station + Karmic Guide + Saffi Eriksdotter for infinite damage
>>76072549I think Nekusar is fun to play against, though most people think otherwise for some reason. He can put you on a tight clock, but he literally helps you find answers.
>>76072549Start playing absolutely degenerate shit like Stack and MLD. Fuck those guys.
>>76069617>Mtg is one of the best games available for the specific reason that they cant change what you already have.wo so just like almost every board game and a large percentage of video games
>>76072587>We've functionally eratta'd this card, meaning you are forced to play this way with it in your own private life>it's banned so you have to throw your card outRetard.>>76072707>a large amount of video gamesRetard.
Is this a good card?
My turn. Pretty pleased with my one whale pack. Is there anything interesting to do with Amareth?
>>76073203Put it in Ramos
>>76073203put it in the trash
>>76073203Amareth would've been really strong 5 years ago but the fact that he doesn't directly cheat the cards into play makes him too slow to compete with FIRE
>>76073203play 99 lands and never miss a land drop
>>76073203If you make him artifacts, Smothering titties will pretty much end up drawing you most of your deck
>>76073203With Enchanted Evening and Ashaya, every nontoken creature that ETBs under your control is also an enchantment and a land. I have no clue if that's enough for an interesting deck with Amareth, though.
>>76069270Gifted my friend the ice age block for his birthday and he opened Lim-Duls Vault, which he planned to buy anyway :)
>>76073375I was curious about enchantments already, so that might be enough to start with for me. Thanks.
>>76073298Seems like it's meant to be a flicker deck. It would also be massively broken if you just loaded your deck with one permanent type.
>>76072549Dinos with Gishath as commander. Just ramp and turn big dinos sideways.
>>76073153Depends. Discarding at random is risky unless you have ways to recur it>>76072618>btw mayael is funAgreed
>>76073203I'm building Amareth as Bantenchantress. I like how her plan isn't as obvious from the get-go, she works really well with Enchanted Evening and any token producers found in enchantments, and she's still a 6/6 for six dragon.
>>76071312No, White has stayed true to playing by the rules while nearly every other color has abandoned them
>>76071594Who said anything about legends? We're playing commander cube draft.
>>76073973>non-singleton cubeThat's probably the most disgusting thing advanced in this entire conversation.
>>76071312I don’t even this. White weenies lasted for 1 week in standard before Goblin chainwhirer and all those other red cards like The pervert dumpstering everything. Now we’re in this unending nightmare of Green and simic cards doing the following>DO THING>DRAW CARD>RAMP>oh and GAIN LIFE
>>76074061>1 weekMore like 1 hour
>>76074061>red was the real Standard menace that got things banned and then shut down the threatening white decks>still gets cool and interesting new cards in almost every set the past two years>everyone's too busy being mad at blue and green to noticeIt's an amazing time to be a redfag. We just keep winning.
>>76074072The whole “the pendulum swings” garbage is fucking none sense. Point out to me any significant period of time when Blue and Black were unplayable in standard? Red swings from rogue to broken. Green always had it moments like red before steadily breaking things the last 3 years and white has been good only once 25 years ago.
>>76069303quiet or I'll sick the tumblr tranny antifa judge on you.
>>76074104>It's an amazing time to be a redfagIt really is. As a blackfag I'm really jealous
>>76072290>>76072324>>76072343>friend plays no wincon stax deck>has a hardlock on everyone>for some reason he cast decree of annihilation expecting us to concede with a smug face>"no fuck you, we'll keep playing">he wasn't ready for itIf you try to pull that shit, at least expect some shit in return.
>>76074111>Party deck?Huh. Not that I didn't think New Tazri wasn't shit by itself.But the partners provide easier to manage card draw, for no mana, and unrestricted on draw type. Provides two relevant creature types instead of just the one. and helps setup other synergies, instead of relying on them. Yep.
>>76074174If wotc is retarded enough to over correct white (Which they won’t), then that makes black up next to bitch about not getting good black cards since I’ve age 35 years ago
>>76074197>decree of annihilationDoesn't that remove most of his lock unless it was only made with enchantments? Is he retarded?
>>76074224>Is he retarded?Probably
>>76074219I'm okay with not getting super pushed cards but the saddest thing to me is not getting 1) interesting cards or 2) good flavor. Every black card nowadays feels like a meme
>>76072290Few of my wincons include enchantment beats with Opalescence, Approach of the Second Sun, unironically having opponents scoop or Solemnity+Decree of Silence lock.Opponents scooping is the most common one that happens. Usually stealing the best beater an opponent has with a mana positive Treachery, then casting Sunder and Cyclonic Rift in succession does a lot of things.
>>76074111Party has to get better with the Dnd set.
>>76074224Planeswalkers/Emblems could be an alternate path
>>76074224>Is he retarded?Apparently, it's also his pet card, nobody want to play with him though.
>>76074219That's a hell of a claim.
>>76074263This card looks like a fucking blast.
>>76074293>6 cmc artifactGood luck getting that to resolve, let alone stick
>>76074219Black literally just got Opposition Agent
>>76074312>6 mana>Target opponent loses 10 lifeIt's not that great
>>76074293I have to agree. As a mono-black player, black has been good pretty much forever and continues to get fun stuff all the time.
>>76074327>artifactis the only relevant part of your post
>>76074276Just like ally's did with time
>>76069270How much would you fa/tg/ays pay for a graded uncommon card?
>>76074362Yawgmoth is the only mono-B legend printed in years that I (as a mono-b player) actually like. Instead we get shit like Redditbones and Ayara. They finally printed Szat and he looks like shit
>>76074390>graded Amonkhet uncommonWhy?
>>76074390Well TCG has it list for 0.03 cents. So I'd round up to .05 cent just for you.Why the fuck is it graded?
>>76074392The condition was just whether or not black had gotten any good cards printed in the last 25 years, not whether you liked the mono-black legendaries.Black's getting less wacky shit than red, but it's hardly doing badly.
>>76074392what do yo think of his son?>>76074390does getting a card graded cost money?
>>76074392>They finally printed SzatIt drives me mad he isn't Blue, or B/U like he's suppose to be. Guess the new designers are too young.
>>76073203the new crowd lands have really crisp artand those extended art ones look really clean, i like them
>>76074392That's moving the goalposts
>>76074197what a fucking mong, he could have literally just included a wincon instead of another lock. what a fag.
>>76074449I dislike how much they lean into the esports angle of Kylem. The allied-color ones weren't depicting parts of the arenas in quite the same way as Spectator Seating or Training Center and it makes them feel a lot more awkward to put into a fantasy deck.
>>76074437>The condition was just whether or not black had gotten any good cards printed in the last 25 yearsI don't recall saying that. I'm the guy that's upset that black cards lost their flavor>>76074444I think he's pushed but has gay art and is relatively uninspired
>>76074392I really enjoy playing tinybones though. Just get one of those enchantments that force discard every upkeep and draw cards like a madman.
>>76074449I'm quite pleased about that pull. I think the effect is especially nice on this art.
>>76074507It varies from set to set. Black was the one redeeming feature of Eldraine for me--it was depicted with a sort of melancholy nobility to it, dogged persistence instead of just another pile of zombies or bugs.
>>76074526>I really enjoy playing tinybones thoughThat's fine. He looks goofy as shit>>76074463I'm not arguing with anyone. I'm saying I'm unhappy with the spot that mono-black is in flavorwise, nothing else>>76074448Don't even get me started. He's supposed to be intimidating. He has two arts and he looks retarded on both
>>76074572>Black was the one redeeming feature of Eldraine for meI think Eldraine has the worst flavor of any set aside from possibly Ikoria. I don't remember much of black from the set except that the legends were fucking lame and everything was purple
>>76074327As if black can't produce stupid amounts of mana out the ass and there aren't a million ways to cheat out artifacts or at least reduce their cost
>>76074638Ikoria and Eldraine probably have the worst flavor of any set but it's not like the bar is high when it comes to MtG planes
>>76074658>As if black can't produce stupid amounts of mana out the assWhy are you just sitting there and not removing the Nirkana Revenant or Crypt Ghast>muh CoffersYou don't seriously play in a pod without nonbasic hate, right?
>>760721631, people are afraid of hate deckig2, the red queen scenario can get fucking exspensive3, people built a deck they wanted to play and it may not matter if they win as long as they had fun
>>76074792>Why don't you always have answers to every permanent type in hand at all times? Pssh, casual.
>>76074792>Why are you just sitting there and not removing the Nirkana Revenant or Crypt GhastBecause the game isn't 1v1 and the other players have threats as well? Not to mention if the ghast is ritual'd out or reanimated instead of hardcast they'll still have the mana at their disposal even if you remove it on the spot.>You don't seriously play in a pod without nonbasic hate, right?You don't seriously play coffers without crucible of worlds and other permanent recursion, right?
>>76074892Creatures are the easiest thing in the world to remove>>76074921Do you not run grave hate? How craw is your meta?
>>76074877>tfw I build my decks so that, when the rest of the pod adapts to deal with them, they also find themselves more capable of dealing with each others' decks as wellCoaxing a playgroup out of crawdom is satisfying in the same manner that I imagine bonsai must be.
>>76074969>guy running Mornintide instead of actual good GY hate like RIP asking if I'm craw"Dies to removal" isn't an actual argument.
Say my opp has a sire of stagnation. I play mortuary mire. My trigger goes first so I can't prevent the sire from exiling the creature I put back on top right?
>>76075016>I don't run removal, it's other people's jobs to handle threats for meI was just posting Morningtide as an example of removal, I don't run it in anything not mono-W. I don't run Grollub but I love posting him anyway
>>76075046Actually, it happens the other way. Your Mortuary Mire trigger goes on the stack first, per APNAP order. Sire of Stagnation's trigger then resolves first because the stack is LIFO, and then your Mortuary Mire puts the thing you want back on top of your library.
>>76075053>You can just remove Oko, therefore the card is shit lolAre we done strawmaning back and forth, bud?
>>76075103I'm rarted, in my head my trigger going "first" was being put on top of the stack for some reason. Thx.
>>76075053>He doesn't run Grollub What a fag
>>76075009Specifically killing the fun of Commander is what makes it die out eventually when people feel like they need to constantly improve their shells to just play the game, until you're basically playing cEDHlite and want to die.
>>76075103so if I have a patron of the vein and during my turn I kill my opp's god eternal, he can put it third, but if I kill it during his turn with an instant, it gets exiled? What if I do it during another opp's turn? It gets exiled if I go after him in turn order?
>>76075154>big black mana is a threat in my meta>Instead of bringing anything to deal with it, I'm just going to complain about itFirst of all, most of the games I'm in are over by t7 or 8 at the latest. How exactly is the mono-B deck shitting out enough lands for Coffers to even matter by this point? Are they reanimating Burnished Hart?
>>76075256I never make my decks unfun to play against, but teaching people that there's always a target for enchantment removal makes it easier for them to interact with each other as well.
>>76075286You got it.
>>76075256Just make 3-4 decks of various power>>76075411Agreed
>>76075374So more strawmanning. Okay.
>>76075448Why do people say this stupid shit, this is a fallacy in itself because you ignore pointing out what's wrong with what he said and just repeat a meme word as an out for an actual argument to feel superior without contributing anything.
>>76075448If you get butthurt this easily, maybe you should go back to r/EDH or lurk more
>>76075374I'm not complaining about it, I'm the dude playing black to begin with. I was just trying to convey that imo Bolas' Citadel being 6CMC is a non-issue as you can cheat it out easily in black, not even considering if you're in golgari or something. And you won't always have every silver bullet when there's 2 other people at the table you have to watch out for.
>>76075508>without contributing anythinglike what you're doing right now?
>>76075541>And you won't always have every silver bullet when there's 2 other people at the table you have to watch out for.That's what we like to call "threat assessment" and "being a good player".
>sakashima price keeps climbing OH MY GOD I CAN HAVE TWO TYMNAS IN THE COMMAND ZONE
>>76075545I asked why people used the term, I did not imply I was going to contribute to the argument between you two at any point. It was my own question separate from the argument you two had between yourselves.It's almost as if you're implying a stance onto me that I didn't make, and attacking it instead of addressing the issue I brought up.If only there was some kind of term for this. Hmmm......
>>76075590keep up them zero contribution posts m8
So what’s this about Rumours that Kaldheim is gonna have a reprint if a card that broke the game a while ago?
>>76075588Tbh I can't believe that shits still 30 dollars.I get it, 2 thrasios' go brrrrrrrrr but cmon
>>76075574So you conceed that Bolas' Citadel is a threat and needs to be removed as soon as it hits the board then.
Someone got these ordered in at my LGS but never picked them up, and something possessed me in the moment to get them. Never played with anime sleeves before, what deck should I build that would fit them best? Kaalia?
>>76075588>OH MY GOD I CAN HAVE TWO TOGGO'S IN THE COMMAND ZONE
How would you build him?
>>76075669>So you concede that Bolas' Citadel is a threatIt depends on the deck, the player and the meta. If someone regularly wins once Bolas Citadel resolves, then yes, it's worth it to Disenchant it. If lil Timmy just threw a deck together with cards from his drafts from the past year or two then obviously not
>>76075688I CAN'T SNEED
>>76075705>supernatural stamina>sac>pay 1oof
>>76075741Well, I guess we were actually kind of in agreement to begin with and I was arguing like a jackass over nothing then.Have a good night dude.
>>76075682If they actually have all those logos at the bottom then dump that shit in the trash. Having the show's logo is alright, and I guess the copyright stuff at the bottom makes sense, but having the animation studio, distributor, AND the manufacturer of the sleeves on the back is just fucking disgusting.
>>76075705Enchanted Evening, Mycosynth Lattice...
>>76075705I wouldn't, I already have an Esper commander and there are more interesting onesI can see people using him for Superfriends (which is AIDS-tier gay)
>>76075838The art being cheapened by a slew of logos is just part of the charm anon!
is there any reason to play this guy over elsha? he gets shittier the more i look at it
>>76075899Elsha and Kykar are better at the whole storm thing in every single way.
>>76075899He's literally "race to get Jeskai Ascendancy" the commander. I thought about an Eggs build with him but "Scry" instead of draw to keep fishing for my combo play is what kills it for me. MAKE A FUCKING JESKAI COMMANDER THAT ISNT SPELLS/NONCREATURES YOU COWARDS.
>>76075899Why did they even print this guy, it could've at least been any target so it could offer SOMETHING
>>76075967They did, and guess what happened:
>>76075899He has a simple design but he's hamstrung by >weird glowing eyes and mouth>no flavortextKind of like how they tried a simple design with nuKaervek but completely botched it
>>76075899if you're a monsterfucker, i guess, mechanically it's really bad compared to all other jeskai spellslinger options
>>76075996I remember the reveal of this and the world unanimously agreed "Wow, it's fucking nothing."Damn shame.
>>76075967>3 artifact colors>no good dedicated artifact commander
>>76075953This. You run him in the 99 as a backup - IF you happen to also being running the needed support cards. It requires was too much setup as the commander itself.
>>76076013Why does it need to be a dedicated artifact commander when "noncreature spells" includes artifacts?
>>76075996that art is awful compared to the old one
When you use her WUBRG ability do they get the Lifelink, Haste, and Trample after they attack the first time? Or do they get it the first during that initial combat phase as well?
>>76076040Because then it's going to either be some one line win commander like elsha or complete dogshit
>>76075996I like the elegant design of him but at the same time, yea, hes better as one of the 99 in your deck than at the helm. Like there is a few ways to make him work but just not enough of those tools to really make a fun and good deck.
>>76069270Does any deck run this over or as an additional Beastwithin? Or is it just too clunky?
>>76076067why would they not get it?
>>76076067>declare and tap attackers>activate ability>They gain the abilitiesAnd the haste is probably for the edge case of shit that makes tokens enter tapped and attacking.
>>76076102Because people can't read cards.
>>76076101>sorcery speed 4cmc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mutate
>>76076101>costs one more>can't be used at instant speedI could see it being used in a mutate heavy deck, but not much outside of that.
>>76076101>1 mana more>requires you to have a nonhuman creature on the board>sorcery speed>"noncreature permanent"That ain't an additional Beast Within.
>>76076071>Because then it's going to either be some one line win commanderLike most dedicated artifact commanders?
>>76075705He'll be taking over my Varina zombie deck. I never quite liked her playstyle anyway.
>>76076158Most not all
>>76076189There's no reason a "noncreature spells" commander couldn't fit into the same kind of space as those remaining dedicated artifact commanders without being busted or unplayable.
>>76076101>Are there any mutate cards that anyone would use?
>>76076259The octopus is decent enough.
>>76076259I'd run mutate cards if 99% of them didn't have "when this creature mutates" as a condition to activate their effects. Even then I'd have to fill the deck with boggles.
Katamari deck ideas
>>76076316Turn everything into a gross mutate pile then Leadership Vacuum yourself to put all 100 cards in the CZ
This card fucks
>>76076316Mutate everything you can onto a Myr Battlesphere, then fling it at your opponents and lose.
>>76076316myr battlesphere, bludgeon brawl, mycosynth lattice, and a lot of theft effects
>>76076367Swords/Path to Exiles you
>>76069506You missed the biggest offender
>>76075588>tfw built mono blue old sakshima clones tribal>get to add green to that with new sakshima and thrasios for maximum gas
Can you play this card as a response to a counter? Seems like a really solid card
>>76076460Yes, and it is.
>>76076008>>76076048On paper it's everything I look for in a commander>short rules text>open-ended rules text>flavor text>mono-black>old characterThey just ended up botching fucking every aspect>>76076067If you're asking that question, EDH isn't for you>>76076316Make it an elfball deck and don't run any "-ball" payoffs but still call it "elfball"
>>76076460There's a reason that it's like $7 despite being an uncommon from only about a year ago.
>>76072549I've never found Doran too oppressive, except in the early game if he comes out uncontested and starts whomping you. He's surprisingly fast for a tree. That, and he's not nearly as annoying as Arcades.
>>76073203>Is there anything interesting to do with Amareth?No. It's Bant. Bant will never be interesting.
>>76076489This is a good example of a Commander that warps to game into something interesting and can be built around.>>76075996This, however, is not.
>>76076341That's not how that works
>>76073266>RamosYeah? It what way exactly? I've been looking to update my old Ramos deck for a while and I did pull an etched Ramos & Amareth
>>76074390>this motherfucker graded a watchful nagaA new /tg/ legend is born. We just need the greentext story.
>>76076525>into something interesting and can be built around.Not that original Anon, but post five more that you think are on the same level as Doran. Not trolling just curious.
I just played a game of commander on the PlayEDH discord. AMA
>>76076567Dude. If you do that, and it gets infamous. That specific copy might actually be worth something. Don't play into his hands! He's playing the long con and playing us for fools!
>>76076540Cause they're both dragons and Ramos is a good 5c commander? lol
>>76076590He's definitely quite a looker anon Is he your husbando?
>>76076590How wide is your dilator?
>>76076460>this card gets printed>bluefags seething to this day>blackfags not caringMany such cases>>76076525>This is a good example of a Commander that warps to game into something interesting and can be built around.YOU RANG?>>76076590Why didn't you win?
>>76076604I see. Thought you had something a little more specific.
>>76076460nigga I don't like unfriendliness to people trying to figure out stuff but what's with all these easy questions? What would make you think you can't??
>>76076527Sure it is. You "only" need infinite mana, a way to recur or copy leadership vacuum enough, something to manifest cards off your deck, no interaction at all, and a commander with mutate.
>>76076617I made it up to seven inches on Thursday. >>76076631I did win, anon :^)
>>76076569Alright.>any commander that forces combat. Fumiko, Thantis, Marisi, and Korana to name a few >Ruhan of the Fomori and Vial Smasher since whatever you do is random is not up to ones own enmity towards someone>Opal-Eye, Avacyn, Guardian Angel, and Pharika to play favors with other players to screw others>and finally that Salamander Dude
>>76076593Ah yes, 25 cents instead of 10 cents. 150% value!
>>76076646Sometimes I don't understand exactly how the stack would work when something like that interacts with the counter already played for a different card. I guess it makes sense though that the counter would fizzle. Sorry, I'm retarded.
>>76076634You've been replying to troll posts. Don't feed them.
>>76076106>edge case of shitlike Najeelas own ability
>>76076634Well if you give it a couple of weeks I'm sure people online will come up with good combos with the new cards like usual
>>76076631>MannichiHe seems extremely tasteful, but I hesitate why I would want him, specifically, in the CZ. >3 cmcAlways good>non-tap activated abilityEven better>really specific effectThis seems good and bad. Of course I want consistent access to a specific, uncommon effect, but /tg/ has made me very wary of picking commanders so unique, you can’t have some redundancy in the 99 if you can’t get your commander to stick.
>>76076732the counter doesn't fizzle since its target is still legal, it just doesn't do anything. Like giving something indestructible in response to a boardwipe. And don't worry, we've all been there
>>76076871if you say aikido I'm gonna find you and punch you
>>76069270How are the new sets looking?
Post underrated cards
>>76076945Puts in so much fucking work in my Maelstrom Wanderer deck and you would be surprised how many tards dont pay attention when this bad boy is on the board and then tap out with creatures in play. To say the least this card generates so much salt for how simple it is.
>>76076881Pariah on him seems cool
I know a Xyris/Locust God/Brudiclad token deck is a pretty janky idea but is there seriously no one who's tried it?
Who's the better monoB for aristocrats between these two?Yawgmoth or Tevesh Szat?
>>76076994Indeed. A lot of my pieces from Opal-Eye and Basandra will be useful
>>76077032Yawgmoth. It's not even close.
>>76077032Probably Yawgdaddy, the big pull for Szat aristocrats is you can take your pick of secondary colors.
>>76077030No matter what you do, Xyris gets out of control unless you specifically go out of your way to not include wheels. He has a similar problem Ghave where the slightest push can be "oops I win ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"Your alternative for a "Brudiclad is the hidden Commander" is Riku, but he hasnt aged well.
>>76077057>>76077062Can Szat do other themes/strategy besides aristocrats?
>>76076631Black is used to White/Green players flashing in Protection/Indestructible/Hexproof Blue players really can't tolerate others interacting with them
>>76077122Yeah, I always getting around green and white's flimsy defenses>>76077100Szat is essentially just a draw engine. Do what you like
>>76077157>mass edict, destruction, -x/-x and -1/-1 countersDid they really need to give Black mass exile too?
>>76077116So whats the best partner for him?
>>76077208If you're stealing shit probably anything that gives blue or red.
>>76077032Chainer, Dementia Master hands down.
>>76077203Black has no good artifact or enchantment removal Pharika's Libation and FtS are not good in EDH so WotC really leaned in to making them fuck creatures. Besides, if mono-U can exile creatures all bets are off
>>76077271Share your spicy Chainer aristocrats build anon.
Is Winota still one of the best Boros commanders even with the new ones from Commander Legends? Asking because I pulled one from a pack and I've only played against her in Standard, not EDH. She's powerful in 1v1 but IDK if she makes up for Boros' weaknesses in grindy games.It's been a long time since I posted here, so forgive me if this question comes up often.>>76076945pic related, keeps the board clear of fatties. They can always replay it for another ETB, but it typically only bounces the big creatures so it might cost them an entire turn's worth of mana, and it would just get bounced again anyway
>>76077274My contention is with Black exiling en masse. The damnation argument was lost chiefly and only because of MaRo's greed, which he even admitted to with the card's printing. White's ways of wiping the board of creatures is meant to be different than Black's.
>>76077286I love Chainer but he's also one of the most popular ones. I'd invest in sac outlets>>76077271Chainer can't hold a candle to Yawg.>>76077307>Is Winota still one of the best Boros commandersYes. Though they got a mixed bag with the new set. Bell Borca is a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything
>>76077274>Besides, if mono-U can exile creatures all bets are offIt feels fucking bizarre to have been introduced to blue as the color that has weak post resolution removal and now it exiles with better value than white.
>>76077392Curse of Swine. Kiora's Dismissal. Hurkyl's Recall. Fucking Cyc RiftBlue doesn't even get the worst creatures anymore>>76077329Eh, as a mono-B player I don't even run mass exile. Most go wide strategies use tokens and they disappear when they hit the yard
>>76077363>Yes. Though they got a mixed bag with the new set. Bell Borca is a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anythingThanks for the reply, anon. Borca looks alright... but he only accrues 1 CA per turn which isn't nearly as exciting as spinning a few Winota triggers. My biggest issue with Winota is that she limits deck building creativity since you need to fill a certain number of slots with specific creatures.>>76076945One more. For 4 cmc it's one of the few red theft effects that can grab any permanent. You get to keep it for multiple turns, too. Stealing a planeswalker to downtick or ultimate it, or nabbing a much-needed mana rock early in the game provides some sweet flexibility.
>>76077497My friend has a Chandra tribal deck and I always Word of Seizing before he ults. Never gets old
>>76077497>Borca looks alright... but he only accrues 1 CA per turnMore like use Sneak Attack to cheat Draco onto the field, exile it with Fiend Hunter, swing for 16+ power with your commander and then next turn just Cloudshift Fiend Hunter to do it again
>>76077542>Word of Seizing before he ultsClassic. My buddy played that card and the Split Second ability has hurt me more than once. But 5 cmc is asking a bit too much nowadays, IMO.
>>76076654No, it literally isn't how it works. Only the card that represents your commander gets moved to the command zone.
>>76077660>In a Commander game, your commander may be Bruna, the Fading Light or Gisela, the Broken Blade, and the other may be in your deck. If they meld into Brisela, Voice of Nightmares, Brisela will also be your commander; but if Brisela leaves the battlefield, only the card chosen as your commander at the start of the game may be put into the command zone.Mutate works the same way, because as far as the game is concerned the whole pile is your commander.
>>76071240Black literally already does this. The best deck I've ever seen in commander was a monoblack wuberg deck.
>>76077772>The best deck I've ever seen in commander was a monoblack wuberg deck.It's not some gay fucking Golos deck, is it?
>>76077772how can a deck be monoblack and WBRG at the same time!!
>>76077772Black is meant to be able to do lots of shit but at the cost of life. All their card draw and removal and all that shit costs you to use.Of course in a 40 life format its not as big a limitation as it should be.
New, move whenever>>76077940
>>76077599>>76077363>Borca + Banish targetsHuh. Pretty sneaky. A few ways to do that too like with Parallax wave, imprint, Shoal, or suspend. Even after those trigger you can then exile stuff from your yard to get get double value from it. Even a SSG is of some minor value plus mana. Also just noticed it's when anyone's is exiled, so your Path and Swords hitting big targets pulls double duty.
>>76069367I was unaware Vampire Fucking Nighthawk of all cards was supposedly too weak now
>>76073153If you have Library of Leng out maybe.
>>76074174Wish there was a commander with that effect. Could build it like the anti-cure deck in yugioh.
>>76075780>Comes back and dies to his own triggerNothin personel