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>>67217126ive heard the SWG is afun as a sort of player run experience, but is kind of a mess otherwisethat and ive always had a love for the old republic eraand ive read a few articles on games journalism sites that say in the face of any real SW games until Jedi Fallen Order and the fact that Anthem is a bioware bomb that TOR is the star wars game to play right nowand the idea that its an MMO where i dont have to interact with people
>>67217538It seemed to be working out pretty well honestly
>>67217538Ironic, he looked the most edgelordh of allYet was the least edgy In millennia
Eggo tadion 3-T-8, vve hab spodded emberial vorkers!!!
>>67217891o fug at-atswe're fugged
>>67217538Hot take, I like Legacy.
Some Scanshttp://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/63748595/#63752214>Races/Yoda/Palpy from A&Ahttps://imgur.com/a/9spnGYA>Rise of the Separatists Scan (Searchable):https://anonfile.com/ze59V9r9nb/SWRPG_-_Rise_of_the_Seperatists_pdf>Collapse of the Republic stuff>Table of Contents https://imgur.com/ZOQGA0q>Talent Trees and Signature Abilities https://imgur.com/a/Uihueeg>ARC 170 https://imgur.com/NF9OMJa>Eta-2 Interceptor https://imgur.com/tRNmRAD>Acclamator Assault Ship https://imgur.com/d9GtpVo>Pelta Frigate https://imgur.com/8lyq6HT>3 New Species Harch: 2/2/2/3/2/1; WT 11+Bra; ST 11+WP; 75 xp; one rank Perception; Additional Limbs; Venomous Fangs (Brawl attack checks gain Stun 3 item quality)Karkarodon: 3/2/1/2/2/2; WT 12+Bra; ST 10+WP; 90 xp; one rank Athletics; Amphibious; Jaws (Brawl attack checks deal +1 dmg; crit rating 3)Dathomirians (From FFG Article)https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/ce/2f/ce2f7a11-57c5-4d1d-a5e0-226a8846a7ee/swr15_cutout_dathomirian-abilities.png
>>67218459>>Races/Yoda/Palpy from A&A>https://imgur.com/a/9spnGYGod I wish someone would just upload the fucking book. I can't find it anywhere.
>>67218063Legacy the comic, or Legacy of the Force the books? Two very different things.
>>67218063like most of the dark horse stuff it had good parts and badgood:>the fel empire>imperial knights>one sith (ymmv)>pellaeon-class star destroyer>galactic alliance>darth talon (seriously, imagine how many porn artists would have never got their big break if it weren't for her)bad:>cade wiping his ass on a lot of the rules of how the dark side works>roan fel going evil at the end for basically no reason>cade taking half of the entire comic to nut up, shut up, and start knocking one sith heads together instead of whinging about his life>final act that's over in two or three issues
>>67217538Star Wars Legacy is true to the old idiom "good idea, bad execution"
I want the old Republic to be based on the Roman republic and protected by Jedi lords who have their own fiefdoms and armies. The Ruusan reformation happens after the end of the Sith/slaver wars when the last Sith and slave empire holds are taken by the Jedi lords and Republic forces. The Jedi lords cause a civil war between the more ambitious Jedi who want to take over the Republic in order to wipe out the Hutts and Mandalorians and the moderate Jedi who wish to remove the feudal aspect of the Jedi and disarm the order. I also believe that technology should be more melee focused with gungan technology being the norm and capital ships being rammers.
>>67218833>I also believe that technology should be more melee focused with gungan technology being the norm and capital ships being rammers.I wouldn't go that far, if only because it makes you wonder how star wars managed to happen three thousand years before that, against the mandalorians or the exar kun or whatever.Maybe instead put more of an emphasis on what sort of tech hasn't been invented yet, so you have things like ships using heat-dispersing armour instead of shields, or masses of missiles/railguns instead of blasters. that sort of thing.
>>67218881Easy, we wipe canon.
>>67218960oh yes, because that went over so well last time
>>67218833Sounds pretty boring desu
>>67218978Mean! What would you change? >>67218969But anon, nobody's ever really gone...
>>67218999I just don't like low tech sci-fi settings. The stuff about the Jedi being lords and stuff is also kind of meh on me. I like them being space monks, overall I like Star Wars eastern influence quite a bit and going for a more western influence like Rome would probably ruin it for me if I'm being honest.Then again I also wish they would have kept saber duels being slow and more like samurai duels where both parties acknowledge that one wrong move means death. The gymnastics battles of the prequels never did it for me.
>>67219158>The stuff about the Jedi being lords and stuff is also kind of meh on me.I dunno, the idea of them having their own domains and, for want of a better word, fiefs appeals to me, though I'm curious as to how it would work with them not having any equivalent to a king (that I know of).Actually, while we're on the subject, what's the best part of the EU to read about the new sith wars and the feudal jedi and all that in?
>>67219158The aestethics will be very oriental yet also medieval. My idea is that the "oriental" jedi masters win over the "medieval" jedi lords, reforming the order into the one we see in the prequel trilogy.When it comes to technology I don't want to go full Tales of the Jedi, just more melee weapons alongside blasters and energy shields.I never liked the idea that the Republic has always been peaceful and weak until Sheev came along with his new order, therefore I drew inspiration from the Romans, Athenians and Americans for a more violent and expansionistic state.Concerning duels, I always like the Clone Wars and Rebels show saber choreography.
I kind of the idea of the sith predating the jedi. Where The sith used to be a cast of noble wizardkings ruling the galaxy. But then they started infighting, and the use of the force to fullfill their ambitions pulled them into a slow dark side armsrace that slowly corrupted them. Then a few of them did a Budhism and became a group of wizardmonks known as jedi. While the Sith empire degenerated into a twisted and evil caricature of it's former self. The jedi came to be known as the guardians of peace and justice troughout the galaxy.
>>67219236Not gonna lie I completely forgot that Japan had a feudal system as well. I heard lords and fiefdoms and my head went to Europe. That does make it a bit better for me.
>>67218833I dunno abut the melee focus, its got a place but its very tertiary in terms of an environment that can make a spaceship can also make things like artillery, grenades, airstrikes and land mines. So even with stuff like personal and theatre shields you'd have to come up with some kind of technical reason why their ranged capabilities aren't effective and why the opfor hasn't just invented a tracked stonk tenk, rolled it through the shield generators and blow everyone up with high ex and beehive rounds.You could so something whacky like having madmen with jet packs, sharp sticks and grenades come in as some sort of shock troop, but at the end of the day you've sort of got to wonder by that stage if you just throw the sword away and give them a flamethrower.>>67219158I'd be ok with acrobatic fights, if they're done well. But they just sort of manage to suck at fight choreography and while I'm not one to go through frame by frame and 'akshually they missed that swing by a good foot'. Its something force users should just go full silly buggers on wires, flying kicks, running off walls and and 20ft somersaults. Or just go fuck it, hire some hema and kendo fags that know about sword fights and it just turns into a screaming slugging match of murdering each other in close quarters.
>>67219410Well same reason that nobody uses their brain in Star Wars, it's cool.>Its something force users should just go full silly buggers on wires, flying kicks, running off walls and and 20ft somersaults. Crouching lothcat, hidden craytdragon.
>>67217538>thinks EU pulp and fan fiction is legitimate lore>thinks there are nine movies>doesn’t realize there are only three Star Wars->Star Wars>Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back>Star Wars: Return of the Jedi>Therefore there are only two known Sith Lords (pic related)I bet you unironically enjoy Return of the Jedi you fucking pleb.You didn’t deserve to make this General-Now leave-Go back to play and let the men work.(Fuckin’ summer- em I right?)
>>67219458>Crouching lothcat, hidden craytdragon.I guess the other way would be infantry in some kind of exo-skeleton full of repulsors, strength enhancements and just lets people run at sanic speeds across the battlefield. Give them a weeb gunsword and energy shield so they've got a few options on the way in, but mostly it relies on just being all over someone's shit before they can get it together or a half decent shot off.But otherwise, its a cheesy franchise and space kung-fu can easily find a niche if its done well. Course if its done even less than excellent then it always looks terrible!
Jake Murray is my favorite Star Wars artist, who is yours?
>>67219862Probably Darren Tan. I like his hyperrealistic style that doesn't make everything look too static or washed out like some I've seen.
>>67219862Ryan Church has been around a while, does some decent art for vehicles and scenes. There's lots of amateur and semi-pro people out there who do some good stuff toohttp://ryanchurch.com/star-wars-iiiIain McCaig is probably my favourite for characters and people
>>67219996Reminder that Anakin and Padme only do missionary position and handholding.
>>67219480sith lords are not even mentioned a single time during the actual OT movies
>>67220077umm... yeah them jedi vows and stuff>fuck it>going to hell
>>67220223Is it weird that I always thought Padme was the more attractive character over Leia? Don't get me wrong, back in the day Carrie was a dish, but I just never felt anything sexual about her at all.
>>67220263You can sense the repressed sexual nature of her Jewish ancestry.
>>67220282Can't say I did.
>>67220303>he doesn't knowGoy...
>>67220343I didn't back in the tender, carefree days of my youth, but I do now, thanks entirely to yous guys.
>>67219862I like Darren Tan, but not far behind is Glyn Dillon and Adam Brockbank.
>>67220263Natalie Portman probably had some of the most spectacular costuming seen in any star wars movie. The sheer work involved must have cost a fortune, its probably not as iconic as stuff from the OT or a stormtrooper outfit when you think of star wars, but dam. Its a piece of work.Plus she is just a really pretty, petite lady so its a bit hard to ignore her!
>>67220469well, she was in the first one when she had a different outfit for each scene. credit where it's due to george, the whole thing with the doubles and then having the costume and makeup elaborate enough that you could actually see it work on screen was a stroke of genius
>>67220469Yeah, the costume designers could go wild with the PT. Shit, all the departments could.
>>67220502I think the Sequel trilogy just has that little bit of magic to them regardless of the lumps, the attention to detail, movement and people is a real master class in film.Heck Ep3's opening battle is probably my favourite scene simply because you can watch it over and still pick out all this new stuff you missed first time around because of the intensity
>>67220579>Heck Ep3's opening battle is probably my favourite scene simply because you can watch it over and still pick out all this new stuff you missed first time around because of the intensityfor sure. i've always said, for how much george can't write characters, he's a great visual director. there's a huge battle going on with zillions of different things happening that, as you say, you can rewatch and still find new things, and yet you never get lost in it. you never lose track of where the two starfighters the camera's following are.i would have liked to have seen more stuff like that.
>>67220077Well of course they do handholding. Anakin's only got the one, so they can't hold hands plural.
>>67220607How much better would the attack of the clones had been if they had shown an orbital battle at Geonosis as the Confederate ships started fleeing?
>>67220716Why do we dislike AotC again? It's not a particularly good movie but it's not that bad either. It has some spectacular vistas, sets and costumes while the dialogue and direction is a bit wooden. But I think that the OT also had stiff dialogue and odd acting (including tESB).
>>67220716from a development perspective i think it would have cluttered the final act up a good bit. from a personal perspective, however, i think it would have been awesome, and i'd have loved to see it.always would have loved to see the 1st gen acclaimators in a fight.
>>67220784I feel the same, also it introduced the clones and kamino, than are cool as fuck, or the geonosis battles than was spectacular.
>>67220263Nah, not weird. I've never found Leia attractive but Padme was one of my earliest crushes. I can barely tolerate her as an actual character though, especially in TCW.
>>67220716Both sides were using glorified landers, IMO and didn’t get proper capital ships until later in the war. Yoda grabbed the Clone Army with its shipping containers and the Trade Fed’s droid ships were outfitted freighters that were half on the planet.
>>67220223>yfw you realize that scarf is the black hand of Vader seizing her by the throat
>>67221470Even the first acclaimators had guns and proton torp tubes for planetary bombardment, which could also work against spaceborne-targets. Likewise the Lucrehulks had lasers of their own, albeit a pitiful number relative to the overall size of the ship.Neither of them was, at this point, supposed to be a frontline combat craft, but they could do it if the circumstances required.
>>67221586>Likewise the Lucrehulks had lasers of their own, albeit a pitiful number relative to the overall size of the ship.They had like 40 heavy quad turbolaser turrets, which is a hell of a lot more than you see modeled on anything else, and that's ignoring the thousands of little mobile laser cannons they have called vulture droids
>GM for ffg game won't let me play a gnk droid>or a pit droid>wants me to play a padawan kid and make me put up with his shitty views on what the Force isLife is pain.
How do Alien species stat ranges work i n WEG? I don't know if they're ranges for me to put dice and pips into or ranges for me to fit the character Templates to.
>>67221617I unironically want to play as a pit droid after watching the D-Squad arc in TCW
>>67220607Why didn't the Republic have a fleet defending Corusaunt anyway?You'd think with it being an important planet they'd have defenders stationed there, but it seemed like it was a very "holy fuck Corusaunt is under attack everyone go go go" thing
>>67221942They did, most powerful fleet in the Republic. Thing is, the seppies hit Coruscant with all available fleets while bypassing Republic fleets and worlds around Coruscant using secret hyperspace lanes provides by Sheev.
>>67221942It was an inside job. The separatists knew exactly when to arrive and exactly where to arrive from such that defensive presence was minimal.
>>67221617>no! You have to be special!Such painMuch conflictSo hard
>>67222028I'm imagining had the republic not been dismantled then and there with the more Orwellian empire in its place thered have been tons of people picking part things that didn't make sense about the battle speaking out on the holonet
>>67221942yea like >>67221975 said they did have a defense fleet and at first I'm sure they were confident they could handle it but as the CIS just kept funneling in fleets Coruscant realized how overwhelmed they were and started screaming over the radio for all available reinforcements
>>67222045If we go by the RotS novel (and there’s really no reasons not to, they’re not gonna have someone re-write that) the Jedi Council had Sidious’ identity narrowed down to 3-5 people, Palpatine included. And the only reason Palpatine wasn’t seriously considered was because he *already* ruled the galaxy. Missed the forest for the trees on that one
>>67222028Man, playing as a post Clone War conspiracy theorist would be fun>I'm telling you man, the Separatists funded the Clone Army so that they could get rich off of the production of Battle Droids. How else do you think a magical army popped out of nowhere?>Palpatine was in on it too, and he was partners with the Jedi. That's why he had them killed man! Getting rid of the evidence!
>>67221617Weird question, but are there FFG rules that allow you to play as an astromech?
>>67222079Makes sense, from a jedi perspective he already ruled the galaxy, how could that not be enough?
Are huge ships in X-wing made to the same scale as the rest of the ships?
>>67222439nopethe gozanti is, but the rest are all over up to half the scale
>>67222268From *any* rational perspective. But Sith aren't looking for anything rational. They won't settle for power. They want POWERRR! UNNNNNLIMITED! POWERRRRRRRRR!
>>67222181Yes, one of the "species" you can play as is droid, starts bare bones but has the most customizable options so it covers astromech, protocol, labor, medical droids etc...
My homebrew, mostly ripping off other Scifi worksStill a major work in progress and I can't figure out how to switch from essay-writing to game-prose, any tips?
>>67223018Even from a secular perspective unless Palpatine’s authority was codified and legalized as being permanent he was, conceivably, a no-confidence vote away from losing office. Yes he had voting blocs under lock and key but caucuses can be notoriously fickle. The republic needed to become an empire for his absolute power in fact, to become absolute de jure.
What's the best form of lightsaber combat?
>>67220607What do you think the chances of tri fighters coming to x-wing? This battle and the clone wars made me really start to like all the different droids especially the fighters.
>>67223369>and why is it Makashi
What are the chances we're going to see larger vehicles in Legion?AT-ATs, AT-TEs, etc.
>>67223415Pretty much guaranteed. They just might wait a bit with the Nantex coming out as an interceptor type.
>>67223415100%, I would eat my cardboard core set before I'd bet against Tris sooner or later. I'd have to imagine they'll be within the next 3 waves.
>>67223369'tards are going to tell you it's x or Y but the truth is the best lightsaber combatants integrates several forms. With that said, soresu is probably the most powerful as your base, which should be supplemented with makashi and djem so.Makashi is the most /fa/ though Strictly going by the movies the best form is Obi wan and Soresu though, the CHAD undefeated wallmaster.
>>67223415>>67220607I really enjoy foth Tri-Fighters and Vulture Droids.The opening battle in Ep3 is fucking great. The slow moving SD through silent space with just that drum, and then the reveal of a massive space battle. As far as I am aware, the only shown instance of capital ships duking it out in Star Wars, and one of only two major space battles in Star Wars. Scarif gets an honorable mention too.
>>67223557I was super confused by that decision. I like the ship and all but its just such an obscure choice. But I guess it means we might get other obscure ships like the rouge-class so I can't really complain.
What obscure ships do you want to see in X-Wing? I'd love to see the TIE/D Automated Starfighter.
>>67223709Shadow droids! or a TIE mauler they put repulsorlifts on so it can flyor a TIE predatorOr a TIE raptor
>>67223651Swords are for sword-fighting. Everything else is a sideshow. Therefore, makashi is boss
>>67223661I'm still holding out hope we might one day get a special devoted to standard issue battle droids going through an average year during the clone wars. Showing both space and ground combat as well as their other duties and personalitys.Also Hyena Bombers are cute
>>67223785Honestly I'd love a side story about Kalani from rebels that's all about him gathering droid stragglers into a ragtag force culminating with him actually joining the reble alliance
>>67218766Not that anon, but I've only read the comic and enjoyed it for what it is. How do the books compare?
>>67223872I was so happy to see the droids getting some love. Hopefully they'll keep that concept going and not abandon it for more generic rebel drama.
>>67223663So was the N1 but I'm beyond thankful for that. I think part of it was they wanted CIS to have generic options outside of the Bellyrub that aren't droids.>>67223709TIE Hunters for sure
>>67223709Scarab-class droid fighter would be great. It was a nifty little ship
Where can I get up to date Data Files for OggDudes?The Big Tent link is fucked.
Just finished installing republic commando for the first time in years. I forgot how good the music was
>>67223663FFG likes to alternate between releases. They stick to canon unless they have no choice, but they try to weave releases based on other factors. Drop an OT ship inbetween two ships from Rebels, release something from TCW after something from Ep1, etc. So they don't follow a strict order of descending iconic-ness, but a wibbly wobbly order of trying to keep any given star wars interesting group from going too long without a release.
>>67223872I was part of a campaign along those lines, it was damn fun.
>>67220784For me, it the name. Its just too fucking silly
>>67224844>>67224044Any particulars you'd think would be good named individuals or unique droid types to get in on this action?
>>67220784Attack of the Clones is unironically the best prequel, its only flaw was killing off the two sexiest bounty hunters ever
>>67224925Dengar isn't even in AOTC
>>67225158and that's why it's good, no Simon Pegg ruining it with RLMfaggotry
>>67224893Bats and Kalani are both excellent choices. Byond previously established characters you have the commando droids, mangaguards and those arrogant first gen tactical droids, all of whom could be good characters as is. Hell with a good enough writer you could even give more abstract droids like the b2, droideka and hyena bombers/vulture droids their own personalitys and characters.
>>67225273Hell, could even have fun with NK Necrosis, make him a big scare tactics boogieman to give the imps a scoobydoo hoax of sorts.
>>67220784not enough clones
>>67219410>hire some hema and kendo fagsFirst Kylo Ren has a lightclaymore, and he's using some strikes reminiscent of a Liechtenauer-esque style. Then the Praetorian Guards show up with cortosis gloves.I will forgive JJ almost everything if he has Kylo mordhau the shit out of someone with lightsaber quillions.
>>67224925the only flaw on attack of the clones are the long as fuck anakin/padme love scenes. Cut those in half and extend the clone battle and i agree whole heartedly.
>>67225273One guy was suggesting a reprogrammed magnaguard for training jedi in saber combat, playing up a hardass instructor type of persona, going predator mode to defend some students from the first order, having thr more elite droids be hardass types makes sense while the lower ranks could get more quirky. For example the droidekas could without wipes turn playfull as they get all into their speed wheeling and such.
>>67225898>paint a droideka blue>gotta go fast
>>67225898tangentially related, I used a reprogrammed magnaguard as the companion for an imperial dark sider minion/Hand wannabe. Served as a backup pilot and sparring partner to practice lightsaber skills. It's a good idea in general if you can reprogram such a droid.
>>67225193>the zamfag is also the one that won't shut the fuck up about reddit letter mediapoetry
>>67226106I mean you wouldn't even need to reprogram one if you bought it brand new. You would need to train it however.
>>67226126>THE zamfagthere's at least three, and I sure as hell am not the only person who bitches about RLM
Where the fuck can I download the campaign books for imperial assault so I can play on TTS?
>>67225622The soundtrack for the entire movie is great, especially the Across the Stars soundtrack.
>>67227195I've never met a star wars soundtrack I didn't like, aside from a particular two note loop from rogue one.
>>67227991The soundtracks to the four Disney films are completely forgettable, even in the 50% of those films which were good.
>>67228039With rogue one already there, which movie makes up the other 25% of films being good?
>>67228051here's a hint: the title doesn't have a number in it and it rhymes with "bolo"
Death Krayt literally and unironically did nothing wrong.
>>67228151But basedlo was the worst one yet!
>>67228164I suppose tattooing yourselves red was a bit dumb. He didn’t really go into that personally but he must have encouraged the practice. I like how they’re supposed the slink away like Nazis into South America when they have the equivalent of swastikas tattooed on every inch of their body.
>>67228241Oh even the word being contained causes it to trigger...
>>67228039Seriously. I can't recall a single score moment from any of the new films that isn't a callback. The ST fans that are soundtrack heads point to Rey's Theme, but how good can it be if I can't hum two bars if you put a gun to my head?
>>67228241what a sꝊylent post this is
>>67228254The galaxy is a big place.
>>67228275My point is that solo was a garbage movie
>>67228241It was at least interesting. Also, it’s only soi if you ignore how the feminazi tumblr droid is consistently portrayed as an annoying retard.
>>67228269The only remotely memorable score was the nu imperial theme in rogue one that was a weird "non-copyright version of the imperial march", and even then, half the time I try to remember it I wind up humming Zulu's main title insteadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSjPoUtlkyk
>>67228282Not in nu-lore.
>>67228337Good thing Legacy was part of the EU and not Mouse Wars.
>>67228320whoops forgot the second half of my postAnyway it's sad and surprising that Rogue One's score was so bland, because it was composed by none other than Michael Giaocchino, the same man responsible for the soundtracks to the likes of The Incredibles and the Medal of Honor franchise. It's amazing how such a great artist could produce such soulless drivel, but then again John Williams scored TFA and TLJ.
>>67228299It was a summer popcorn film. And that's okay. Disney just picked the absolute wrongest time to make a tepid offering with niche appeal within the fandom.
>>67228310>interestingWhenever this word is used in defense of NuLucasfilm's dreck, I know there's a good chance a numale posted it.
>>67228354>Good thing Legacy was part of the EUNODisney may have mercifully purged it from new canon, but they didn't finish the job by purging it from old canon too.
>>67228365>TLJShit you not -- John was composing in a vacuum, storyboard at the most. He'd then hand the score off to Rian, who would sequence scenes around what John had to write blind.He criminally misused the Leonardo da Vinci of film score. He had and has no business anywhere near a proper A-tier Hollywood production outside of his own creative navel-gazing. Let him fuck up something that DOESN'T say Star Wars on the tin.
>>67225559>when the cortosis gloves aren't for defending against jack shit
>>67228474I remember reading the exact same story about TFA and JJ
>>67228254I feel that the title Darth should only be reserved to the greatest Sith, too many Darths ruin the title.
>>67228524I thought JJ didn't allow anyone to read the script to prevent leaks.
>>67228644yeah and as a result John Williams had to score a movie he didn't even get a script for, and it shows
Legacy Vol 2 is underrated
>>67228722>underrate legacyimpossible, that is a pit which no measure ever fathomed
>>67228722Who is she, and where are the lewds.Her chest looks bacta-improved.
>>67223917Awful, some of the worst content ever added to the EU
>>67228477>Knights of Ren come at Kylo for raisins>He starts with wide swipes, keeping them at bay>Two of them step into a horizontal cut to block, a third darting forward to close range>Kylo steps back, grabs the blade, and starts half-swording motherfuckers in the dick and guts
>>67223917What >>67229077 says is correct. Before TLJ came along, LotF was the worst Star Wars thing ever. Fortunately, despite selling itself as a bridge to Legacy, LotF's Legacy connections are minimal and irrelevant to its awful, awful story.
>>67223170Take it to the home brew general
>>67229312>TLJ worse the LotFsometimes i think you guys watched TLJ once hating it before you even saw it, declared it the worst and then moved on.
>>67229385I saw it once in theatres and hated it. Gave it a second chance on Netflix still hated it. Tried to give it a third go with some friends, and we got bored and never even finished it. Its a bad film and I've never seen anyone who liked it defend beyond saying shit like "you only saw it once" or "you're just determined to hate it" and my personal favorite "you're just parroting e-celebs"
>>67220263on paper, yeah, but Leon: The Professional rendered me clinically incapable of sexualizing Natalie Portman so I have to say no
Any advice for writing a gazetteer for a homebrewed sector, ala pic related?
>>67229312It's true sin is being what the rest of the timeline leads to Cade is unlikable for essentially the opposite reasons as Rey
>>67229645I was talking about Legacy of the Force. Legacy is fine.
>>67229577>Concentrate on one of the three aspect of the system: EotE, AoR, or FaD. This makes it easier to design and figure out what kind of themes for the sector to run with. >Concentrate on one Era. For example if in the Galactic Civil War - why would the major powers be interested (or not, but probably best if yes) in the sector. >Start on one major focus for the sector's resources and/or culture. Usually this corresponds with the earlier chosen aspect. EotE for example focuses on shadow politics and crimes, while FaD usually focuses on Artifacts and Force Nexuses.
>>67224925I'm really digging that lamelar skirt she's wearing.The prequels had some amazing costume design.
>>67229385TLJ is worse by virtue of being a mainline entry in the series, that disaster is never ever going away. Legacy of the Force is really bad, but it is off in an easy to ignore corner of Post-RotJ EU content where it had been clear for years nobody who cared was still writing for it.
>>67229385Both iterations of legacy have literally been stricken from any canon that may matter and were so far down the timeline they impacted nothing but themselves.We've got to carry the weight of TLJ from now until the next reboot, assuming the franchise doesn't implode before then.
>>67230183>yfw NuLucasfilm screws the pooch so hard Disney "magnaminously" chooses to completely reboot Star Wars entirely, starting with an A New Hope remake
>>67230229They would start with a PT remake, far easier to sell that to everyone. Then once that is done remaking the OT might be more palatable.
>>67230254Disney is convinced it's invincible.
>>67230254>>67230229>>67230183They’re not gonna remake jack and shit. JJ is gonna “fix” all of TLJ’s nonsense in 20 minutes by saying it was lies and deceptions and idiocy and plow forward and then no one is ever gonna refer to its events again. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
>>67230277>>67230254Besides, PREQUELS BAD
>>67229577I tend to just focus on about half a dozen important systems that are the namesake of the sector, these ones you can go into detail off-of and then work your way down to maybe another half dozen other lesser systems and give them a rudimentary coverage of what they do. Don't go into too much detail, just a paragraph or so to say this place does mining, another might be food production, machine parts, foundries, ship repairs, fuel refining etcWith your bigger systems, detail out the population, what they do, why they're there and any percentiles of human-alien pop that's relevant along with some major NPC's that are in some kind of advanced position- generals, moffs, merchants, corporate entities and so on.You can also throw some generic biological and ecological quirks on various planets to give them some kind of biome and other fun kinds of critters/plants endemic to them.From there, I'll usually tie in the known hyperspace lanes going between places, travel times and maybe the odd space station of note + any fringe groups like pirates, rebels, worlds in open warfare and separatists. Lastly, any force disposition with regards to military elements- planetary defence forces, muster points, naval squadrons, starfighter wings and so forth that will give you a rough idea of what is where.Usually a big piece of butchers paper or A2 card is kind of handy as well for working out locations, routes and stuff will give you a basics of the spatial arrangement of them in the sector.
>>67230288Exactly why it would be easy to market a remake of the PT.
>>67230315It's too tainted with talking and politics and other things that aren't explosions. There's no fixing that while keeping the same story beats.
>>67228371I think there's a fundamental problem with Disney's overall release schedule of alternating main series movies with unrelated prequels. It offers fun variety if you're a SW enthusiast, but it requires a fairly high degree of engagement with the setting as a whole rather than just a surface-level narrative.When Solo was coming out, a bunch of the normies I work with were confused about how there could be a new movie about Han when he died in TFA.
I've always thought they should try to move away from the two big sides and have a larger less consistently intense conflict with multiple factions all fighting for their own cause.That way we could continue to get new stuff while still being able to see fan favorites like battle droids and standbys like the empire remnants.
>>67230552Or a cold war between the two big sides instead of a shooting war, to the same ends.
>>67230552>multiple factionsThat would be too hard for the average consumer to process.
>>67230448the reaction to Solo being a lof of confusion and indifference seemed to have scared Disney off from doing yearly releasesat least with Super hero moves you are usually essentially adding the "Super Hero" modifier to another genre (though exceptions like the Thanos Movies exist) Ant Man was Super Hero Heist movie, GotG was Super Hero Buddy Comedy, CAWS was a Super Hero Spy Movie ect ectStar Wars movies are always seen as primarily Star Wars movies.
>>67230679I think they were trying to do that with the side movies, but people had become so invested in the idea of Star Wars being a single sequential story that it didn't work.
>>67230448It wasn't a problem until it was. Two years between mainline movies, fine. Sandwiching unrelated content into the gaps, fine. The problem arose when TLJ was... underwhelming, Solo had a short turnover cycle thereafter, the marketing push was lol, and this predictable 800 lb gorilla named Infinity War went stomping about. It was a CREATED disaster, not something inherent in the every-other release model.Solo dropped leading into Christmas, it would've more than broke even. The TLJ rage crescendo had long since passed. Iger and KK shat the bed.
>>67230803thats what i mean, people want a Star Wars Star Wars movienot a Star Wars Political Military Action Thriller or a Star Wars Crime Rompi mean dont get me wrong *I* want those things, and consumed them greedily.but i dont know how viable they are otherwise, ESPECIALLY in the midst of the STi think SOlo and RO might have performed better if they were what came after the ST
>>67230848>this predictable 800 lb gorilla named Infinity War went stomping aboutIt's hilarious that Disney has gotten so bloated and over-sized that two different divisions of their company are competing with each other.It's like they've gone past being a corporate monopoly into being a decadent, collapsing empire.
>>67230848Iger will be known as the guy who had everything and the kitchen sink on hand for Disney and still ran it into the ground
>>67230968>decadent, collapsing empire.Disney Civil War when?
>>67230968Disney is the Roman Empire of media
So i am running an edge game and i got a problem the gambler talent "double or nothing" is kind of OP when used in combat as the combat difficulties are very low. Any advise on how to nerf it? The player constantly get 8 to 12 advantages
At a discrete, objective, individual level I think Legacy was a lot worse than TLJBut as this guy >>67230183 said, Legacy could always be ignored, and consequently -was- always ignored, whereas TLJ spits in our face every time we remember it, and has now captured normie public enmity far beyond that of the autistic neckbearded star wars fandom that was pissed at Legacy.
>>67230968>>67231032>>67231033I was thinking more Imperial Japan where the Army and Navy were in competition with each other and their infighting was damning to the war effort
>>67231090>and has now captured normie public enmity far beyond that of the autistic neckbearded star wars fandom that was pissed at Legacy.that is grade a Hubba Bubba Bullshit Gum you are chewing therethe TLJ hate has always been neckbeard centered, normies love it like any star wars film and critics from professionals to the youtube sect all have positive things to say about it andyone who thinks that the hate has gone beyond that has had dumbasses REEEing into hteir ears too long to hear anything else, or are in their own hate filled hug box to justify the fact that they dont like a movie
>>67231134I didn't know that, holy crap how shitty a leader do you have to be to do that without a giant empire
>>67230968I can't believe any studio anywhere owned by anyone wouldn't check the release schedule for the kinds of movies in your market projected to annihilate at the box office and not drop for several weeks thereafter. Get a lead if you can. For a studio which controls BOTH RELEASE DATES, it's utterly inexcusable.
>>67231202Iger is trying to let it all run itself
>>67231187>Imperial JapanIts leaders were stupid enough to try starting a conventional war with the United States of CARRIER HAS ARRIVED. The wartime Japanese leadership was very shitty. But that's a story for /k/ and /his/ to discuss in detail, not /tg/.
>>67221616ISD has over 60 turbolasers, 60 ion cannons, and 40 point-defense lasers.And at a third of the size.
>>67231456wasn't the attack on pearl harbor a grab for prestige and power on the global stage? To make Japn more of a mover and shaker?
>>67231635It was hoped that it would knock the US Pacific fleet completely out of commission (it didn’t, many American ships were out of port that day and the ones that sank were probably not the most war ready vessels. Cue conspiracy theories.) and during the rearmament period the japs could take as many colonies and western holdings as possible and sue for peace (think blitzing your warscore up before a larger enemy army makes it across the map in a paradox game) before America got back on its feet. The admiralty was under no illusion that they could win a slugging match.
>>67231635It was an interference action, japs needed to press on through the SE Asian region for more fuel (because the US wouldn't sell them any) and buying time by disabling the Pac fleet would enable that without being attacked by the Americans.Sort of a funny case of stabbing yourself in the arm, in order stab the other guy in the dick so you can run away for a bit longer. Plus it really made the yanks fucking insanely angry, whereas before they'd been fence sitting on the issue.
>>67231741>>67231706I'm seeing some parallels that could be drawn upon for a star wars thing
>>67231779wasen't that kinda what Naga Sadow was trying for before he was beaten back to Yavin?
>>67231160>normies love it like any star wars film
>>67231160my parents have seen every star wars film, and are the ultimate boomer normies imaginable, and TLJ remains the only film they have EVER watched in theaters that they voiced their displeasure with to me
>>67231779Sort of, the effect that blowing Alderaan was hoped to end further resistance to the Empires establishment of their power base, unopposed they could build up more conventional forces to secure that gainHowever, what they didn't really count on was the rest of the galaxy being polarised into some kind of action, internal questioning by their own Imperial forces on 'just what are we doing' and the final kick in the nuts that the death ball got blown up- which had some run on effect to Imperial morale of 'are they allowed to do that' and any of the fence sitters wondering to chuck in the towel and surrender to the Empire figured. Well, maybe they aren't so tough after all.In terms of Japan, they kind of hoped that risking total war would be enough to secure their position in the long term to at least a 'draw' or cessation of hostilities. But they're in the big kids leagues now and from 1942-45 they made about 500k tonnes of shipping... the US just by itself during that period made about 3.2-3.5mil tonnes of shipping and rammed it right up Japans arse. That's not even including the vast quantities of tanks, aircraft and everything else which was so vastly produced you can't even really compare them to what Japan was making. Plus everything else the USSR, UK and Commonwealth was shitting out as well like their lives literally depending on it.Death Stars are sort of more akin to Wunderwaffe though in their strategic sense.The expense vs effect is something gamblers love because it might work really fucking great, but sensible people aren't so keen on backing because it might really suck and really fuck us over in the long term :)
>>67232107My dad was a farmer’s boy growing up in the 70s. Seeing Luke as an idol is just natural for that (and him) The Assassination of Luke Skywalker by the Coward Rian Johnson hurt him quite a bit.
>>67232209I have the perfect medicine for that hurt.
>>67232209Does your dad into the EU? Because that could help him immensely.
>>67232252Little bit. I’ve gotten him to listen to some audio books but he’s mostly an OT nostalgist. The kind who puts ANH on when he’s sick with the flu, or doing mindless busy work or cleaning.
>>67232227nice Malcolm MacDowell kino
>>67232209>The Assassination of Luke Skywalker by the Coward Rian JohnsonRian made things worse, but island hobo Luke was already established by Episode 7.
>>67232284There were umpteen gorrillion ways that that scene could have gone besides “throw dad’s sword into the fucking ocean like a used condom.”
>>67232284>People who knew him best, think he went looking for the first Jedi temple.Luke could have been doing any number of important things that necessitated he give part of a map to R2 and another part (before the post-TLJ damage control you're buying into) that R2's part matches up with exactly to Max von Sydow. Remember, JJ wanted Luke to be levitating boulders like it was no big deal but not enough to not immediately capitulate to Kennedy's golden boy Rian.
>>67231868ah, the noble and brave user score. Truly the bastion of truth in the world that cant see the REAL worth of a film
>>67232209you can not like a movie, decrying TLJ as DESTROYING THE INTEGRITY OF STAR WAR is hyperboleif only because hat was also said about RotJ, TPM, AotC, and TCW Movie.even if you think its a BAD movie its not its still not the end of everything Good about Star Wars
>>67232431In fairness the first live action film for transformers wasnt actually bad, a mid level dumb action flick for sure but it was good for what it was, they just... kept getting dumber
>>67232466I never said if destroyed the integrity of Star Wars you hysterical cooze. I said it was a character assassination of Luke Skywalker and that made my dad sad cause he grew up a farmer boy wanting adventure just like Luke was. And it was a character assassination, considering he committed attempted murder against Ben for no good reason at all.
>>67232466You're entitled to your outlook, I have nothing but respect for you honestly, having been a prequel fan and taking the slings and arrows from the same fans you probably do, I can respect that, even if I think you're wrong
>>67232515i enjoy it for what it was but it was DUMB and badMicheal Bay's style of directing is fine when its on humans, but in the CG mechanical mess that were the Transformer designs it was headache inducing, the characters were cookie cutter and only had that much if they were human Cybertronians didnt even have that much. the overall plot was mcguffin heavy and paper thin and not even in the fun way.the best thing it did was the surge of TF nostalgia it brought and the and boost that gave to the overall fandom
>>67232515The Transformers' action was the best part of the movie, but the human characters were all bunch of assholes...
>>67232525fair enough i tend to assume that im arguing against more than one person when im in these threads
>>67232525>considering he committed attempted murder against Ben for no good reason at all.wasn't him realizing that that was a mistake that he paid dearly for a big part of the movie?also i wouldn't say for no reason "I saw that he was planning on committing mass murder both in the future and in his own mind" seems like at least a probable cause from a Jedi point of view, even if it was wrong over all
>>67232466The prequels did a lot to hurt the reputation of the franchise and even today are considered to be either bad or underwhelming films. Rotj got some flack but never to the same degree and is well liked by most fans even those who initially didint enjoy it. The difference between those films and the new ones is that dispite thier flaws they still had some really fantastic things they added to the canon.What exactly have the new films given us? What stands out to you? What do you enjoy about them and why do you think they're good? Personally I don't see them as having that bright a future. Even if you think TLJ is a good film its not it may very well be the end of everything good about star wars if this current trend of poorly written and/or unimaginative films continues
>>67232639But that's not a mistake Luke would have made after that whole thing with redeeming Anakin in the movie that of course nobody making this shitty new trilogy ever watched
>>67219480>Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back>Star Wars: Return of the JediIdiot, it's The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. There's no Star Wars in the title.
>>67232639>this is under Anglo-Saxon common law tradition The ignition of the lightsaber and raising it is an actus reus, a physical act or substantial step towards carrying out Luke’s mens rea (mental state) which was his desire to kill Ben. The crime of attempted murder has occurred at this point, backing down doesn’t change that. t. lawyer
>>67232598>>67232596Bay's approach was to try and make transformers cool, which he did by his standard, he comes off as a classic jock in reguards to what's cool to him.By contrast Traviss Knight seemed to work on the approche that Tranformers already is cool and was willing to bring it closer to its roots.To bring this back to star wars, what would you think of a home brew that added the pilot able transforming mechs from the TF crossover series.
>>67232918>To bring this back to star wars, what would you think of a home brew that added the pilot able transforming mechs from the TF crossover series.more power to you buts its kind of unprecedented with in the fiction
>>67232653>But that's not a mistake Luke would have made after that whole thing with redeeming Anakini guess ill just repeat myself, was that not THE POINT of Luke's story, that he bought into his own hype, and was about to kill someone without even giving Ben the benefit of the doubt he gave to Darth Vader?
>>67233075>his own hypeWhich is...?Mouseketeer, pls go.
>>67233018OH SHITBUUuuuuttt that is from the Steampunk Planet and not the huge ass world destroying TF Mechs from the Transformers crossoverwhich now that i think about it are SUPER tilted to the Empires favor. the rebels get an X wing and custom correlian freighter while the empire gets a Tie Fighter a Star Destroyer and THE DEATH STAR
>>67233104Yeah, probably not including a deathstar mech, but the separatists had some fun ones, hell I might just make them the star wars version of cybertronians instead of mechs. Or something I'm tired.
>>67233100That he was Luke Skywalker, the man who defeated and redeemed Darth Vader helped kill The Emperor, and destroyed the Sith and brought balance to the Force.That he was a Jedi Knight and eventually Master who was restoring the Jedi Order and would help the light prevail in the Galaxy again
>>67232918You can add walker legs (and amphibious capability!) to spaceships under the FFG rules as modificationsIt doesn't necessarily mean you should... but you canone day I will have an ISD kool-aid man it through the players rebel base
>>67232198Hidden Fortress is such underappreciated kino
>>67233179I see something like that unfolding a set of scuttling lizard like legs. The segments they unfurl from becoming slightly flexible sections to facilitate movement, you should make sure to describe its motion as a distinct sound A boomingGASHUNK, GASHUNK GASHUNK! GASHUNK!
>>67233174Yes, and that might be a thing Jake would believe. But asking us to believe Jake is Luke stretches credulity. Mouseketeer, please understand: you are not wanted here. Go back to whatever subreddit spawned you.
>>67229565>Its a bad film and I've never seen anyone who liked it defend beyond saying shit like "you only saw it once" or "you're just determined to hate it" and my personal favorite "you're just parroting e-celebs"Pretty much this.>>67230284>They’re not gonna remake jack and shit. JJ is gonna “fix” all of TLJ’s nonsense in 20 minutes by saying it was lies and deceptions and idiocy and plow forward and then no one is ever gonna refer to its events again.Everyone that believes lines like this, and jar jar abrams spewing tlj hate now when he was defending it along with everyone else at disney when it was getting all the initial flak (calling people "-ist" and all manner of other excuses for it)...suddenly and conveniently forget that his garbage remake of ANH is what got us in this mess in the first place.And now he hopes to fix it with a garbage remake of ROTJ, complete with palpatine. All this talk of "it's ok to hate tlj, and we understand why people don't like it" us just PR speak to get people to buy tickets so this one doesn't flop harder then basedlo.Like you said>Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
>>67233208Lot of those 50's and early 60's films have a bit of charm to them.Lets face it, special effects = 0, better make up for it with cool characters, interesting dialogue, exotic cinematography and a well paced, engaging plot.>>67233285>players will accuse the ISD of violating the NAP by trespassing on their private property, thus invoking the seizure of all properties involvedSo despite the well intentioned base destruction, you've always got to be careful that what you're using doesn't get picked up and stolen by players. I have had players with large fleets, including and up to ISD-II's + a good stint of Rogue Trader (which is excellent) but I won't be liable to repeat it again any time soon
>>67233335who the fuck is jake?
>>67233335I like how posit that 4chan board for pen and paper RPGs is a bastion of movie quality
>>67233394Jake Skywalker, the character Mark Hamil had to tell himself he was playing in TLJ to get over his cognitive dissonance. Not to be confused with Luke Skywalker.>>67233412Repeat that in English pls
>>67233364They finally realized the woke crowd isnt where the money is and are desperately trying to backtrack, all they've shown is that they have no principals whatsoever, say what you will about Lucas himself he at leasyed believed the bullshit he was saying.
>>67233335Im sure your script was a lot better, its a shame they went with Johnson's.
>>67233424so wait you know what makes a movie good and bad but you don't know middle school English?
>>67233174>That he was Luke Skywalker, the man who defeated and redeemed Darth Vader helped kill The Emperor, and destroyed the Sith and brought balance to the Force.That he was a Jedi Knight and eventually Master who was restoring the Jedi Order and would help the light prevail in the Galaxy againThat sounds like someone who would actually try and, you know...actually redeem his nephew, the kid he watched grow up helped raise (in his training).Instead, he literally watches his nephew commune with some random dark sider, does nothing to interfere until it's too late...and then tries to kill him.In this version Luke does more to redeem his his dad from the dark side, whom he barely met outside of a couple times where they fought and tried to kill each other then he does someone that he knew form birth and helped train.Makes zero sense, unless you're a hack writer in need of a McGuffin.It's not something Luke would do, considering he stopped his Jedi training just to *attempt* to save his friends. Not even knowing he would succeed...just to attempt to help them. But he only lifts a finger to try and murder his nephew, and nothing before...by his own admission.jake skywalker, indeed.
>>67233486yeah you're right, the Luke who saw a vision of suffering an death and went to jump to try an intercept it would never react to a vision of death and suffering by trying to intercept itLuke Skywalker IS infallible force of good and light
>>67217538God Legacy was such trash.Actually, Ostrander's Star Wars comic work in general was trash. It was just ACCEPTABLE trash most of the time. Look at Legacy, Dawn of the Jedi, all the Quinlan Vos stuff in Republic, all the stuff with A'Sharad Hett in Republic. Is it REALLY any good?No, it's not. It's walls of text over boring hyper-realistic art. Good comic art should be dynamic and expressive -- proportions matter but realism otherwise DOESN'T.
i dont know why im arguing this, im not gonna change any of ya'lls mind and your stuff sure as fuck isnt gonna convince me.its basically yelling into the voidi mean fuck i just want to talk about Star Wars without neckbeards screeching into the distance
>>67233648There's plenty of communities on Reddit where your kind congregate. Go there.
>>67233648>i just want to talk about Star Wars without neckbeards screeching into the distanceThat's just the background noise of all "geeky" interests these days. You dont escape it, you learn to tolerate it.
>>67233648Why the fuck would you come here for that my dude
>>67233611>would never react to a vision of death and suffering by trying to intercept itHe could have headed off the whole thing, by actually intervening with his nephew when he first realized snoke was talking to him. He admitted doing nothing, until the night he decided to become a cold blooded killer.Good thing, he didn't do that for dad, or ROTJ would have ended differently. In other words, turning into a violent sociopath who watches his nephew fall into darkness, *THEN* tries to kill him makes less than zero sense.
How effective would a lightsaber rapier with a basket hilt be? I mean rapiers were made for dueling against unarmored opponents which is what most Sith and Jedi encounter. The advantages of having a big reach for melee weapons is often ignored despite how overpowered it was in real life.
>>67233686quick flowing discussion topics can stagnate and die, but are quickly replaced.most other forums require some kind of registration to even start talking and because all topis are cordoned off to their own threads means that natural wandering discussion can hardly be had.i know 4chan is hardly ideal but its a format i like, ive tried official and unofficial and ive tried Reddit and its all dump for just talking
>>67233746There would be some hand protection which is fairly important if you made it out of a resistant material. Even a basic guard would be better than nothing.Increase of weight and maybe a little slower on the draw however could be a factor.Overall though, having a 4-5ft of blade would be better than 3 and being a lightsabre does tend to mean you're able to cut things fairly well which rapiers aren't renowned for
>>67233746Well Dookus lightsaber was made especially for fencing like dueling and depending on how well you buy planned material Oppo Rancisis was supposed to have a similar saver but with a guard on it so the idea has merit within fiction.though i do wonder about the practicality of a basket hilt, unless it has a phrik or cortosis weave to be saber resistant
>>67233799>saber resistantAnother thought occurred to me there, a small energy shield covering the hand area could be kind of neatBucklers (energy or otherwise) aren't a bad idea either if you're liable to live the life that involves being stabbed at on a regular basis
>>67233733so just so we're absolutely clearyour argument is "i dont think that Luke would have that kind of lapse in judgment due to his actions in RotJ and so i find his action as described in TLJ to be a betrayal of that character"where as mine is "i think the story told in TLJ is an interesting one of fallible heroes and his explination for that fall is reason enough for me" and then we've basically gone back and for going "nuh-uh!" and 'yea-huh!" at each otherseems like a good use of thread space
>>67218680It's not as highly wanted as RotS was and CotR presently is, unfortunately.
>>67232918>To bring this back to star warsAlready canon this is.
>>67233668Exactly.That post read more like "REEEE! People disagree with me, I need a safe space!" People disagree, and discuss those differing opinions. It's called living in the adult world. Until recent years, that was part of academic life: the rigorous debate and discussion of wildly differing viewpoints. Some wacky people thought it made you smarter. Then people got the bright idea that the most educated needed to be coddled rather than educated, and the "safe space" movement was born. Then from there it spread the rest of society like a plague...and here we are. Where people cry about having to hear about someone with a different opinion than theirs on an internet discussion board....about a fictional movie universe, of all things.
>>67233988CotR when? That one RotS anon was so fast, I wish he'd come back.
>>67233950>so just so we're absolutely clearYou are completely sidestepping the issue by saying it's plausible...when it doesn't fit with his character arc at all.If he tried and failed to keep his nephew from turning, I might agree with you. But to watch him turn, do nothing, then suddenly decide to murder him because of jake's own inaction in the matter...that's not interesting or plausible, that's bad writing.
>>67234049so you complain about safe spaces when the post you're agreeing to is telling someone to go somewhere else because they have a different opinion
>>67234089Look at the post they were responding to. The person was literally looking for an echo chamber. The person responding was pointing them in a potential direction, not telling them they couldn't stay here.
>>67217538So how does Epic look for Second Edition?What's the best way to prepare? Personally I feel the best factions to build up for are:>Rebels>Republic>SeppiesDue to availability of 2e multipacks with those factions that combo with the on-release Huge Ships. Empire also helped by Core Sets giving two TIE/ln Fighters a piece. Each army (fleet?) Builder pack costs about $40 MSRPFor those with Convo kits, 1e aces packs will help as well, as well as 1e Core Sets.
>>67234144I don't know why, but that pic looks like a shot out of a robot chicken sketch.
>>67234190It's low effort CGI from a Theme Park ride commercial
Best comics to read?
>>67234211Tie between Republic/Dark Times and the original Marvel run.
>>67234077having just watched the movie Luke says he sensed a growing darkness in Ben and when he went to confront him saw visions death and despair on top of the fact that Snoke was already warping him. its not presented like he watch Ben get into Snoke's Cadillac and waved him off saying "ok you two have fun!" and then decided that it was too much, the framing and exposition suggest that it was at that moment that he realized Snoke had gotten to Benit was also said that the darkness he sense in Ben was much worse when he read him mind than he originally felt.the framing of both his first and second telling of that story says that the problem he thought he had was MUCH worse than he originally thought, and in a brief moment thought to solve it the wrong way.it parallels with the Luke we see on the second Death Star, who even upon giving himself up on Yavin preached that he will turn his father back to the ligh, RIGHT UP UNTIL Vader suggests that he and the Emperor will capture and turn his sister upon which Luke loses it and savagely beats his father til he slices off his hand. in that moment he realizes his mistake and backs off, just like he does in Ben's hut of which is a similar moment in a microcosm.and what get me the most about this back and forth is that, a big crux in that story beat is that activating his saber over his nephew is treated as a dark shameful moment he immediately regrets, but when its discussed by people who call it a betrayal of character only seem to focus on the saber turning on in the first place and not the fact that its supposed to be a very human mistake.its like you saw the flashback from Kylo's POV and decided that was the one that counted.
>>67234211>EUTales of the Jedi>Nu-CanonThe second Darth Vader comic, Dark Lord of the Sith
>>67234142the phrase "where your kind congregate" lends a distainful tone to the post that makes feel less like a helpful suggestion and more a shooing away of vermin
>>67234243the last two arcs of TotJ are a little underwheling
>>67234261It is still the strongest comic of the EU by far. I guess there is also the comic adaptation of the Thrawn trilogy but not sure if that counts.
>>67234243Don't believe this guy; Momin is a meme>>67234211Jedi vs Sith, a graphic novel surrounding Darth >Bane?!Great art tho[spoiler I Is actually about the struggles of three kids getting involved in the final days of the New Sith Wars, and bearing witness to Bane's Next Step in his Master Plan [/spoiler]
>>67234277>It is still the strongest comic of the EU by far.You're leaving at LEAST one series out.
>>67234211Tales of the Jedi -> Knights of the Old RepublicStar Wars 1998 -> Star Wars: Republic -> Star Wars: Dark TimesOld school Marvel Star Wars from issue 11 onward (the Thomas/Chaykin period before that was agonizing but once Archie Goodwin started writing it got a lot better and his successors were even better than him)This list is not exhaustive, other good old EU comics exist outside of it. This will just give you a good start.
>>67234242>its like you saw the flashback from Kylo's POV and decided that was the one that counted.No, it's the fact that he didn't do anything about that "growing darkness" the whole time until the night he went to kill him. Didn't talk to him, didn't reach out through the force to figure out what was going on, nothing.Someone who went to rescue a total stranger based on a single hologram in ANH, left his Jedi training incomplete in ESB on the *possibility* he *might* be of help to his friends, and faced his father (the dark lord of the sith) on the slim hope there was still good in him and believed he good turn him back to the light (keep in mind, he didn't know him other than the fact he'd been told vader used to be Anakin, his father).But his own nephew, someone he'd known since birth and trained himself? Better let that growing darkness alone...until I decide to wake him up in the middle of the night to try and kill him.The Luke at the return of the Jedi would continue to grow and mature in his character arc, not digress. Especially 40 years later. But they simply reset every single achracter and pretended that their respective arcs and growth didn't happen, and we find them exactly where they are at the beginning of ANH:Han, the arrogant smuggler who cares about no one but himself.Leia, the brash freedom fighter with a bit of a temper.jake, someone in desperate need of a mentor who shouldn't be teaching others.Everyone else gets related to second tier status, or they forget about completely until they need the nostalgia draw (Lando who?).
>>67234254>the phrase "where your kind congregate" lends a distainful toneAnd calling people "neckbeards" is a term of endearment, I'm sure.
>>67234211>>67234352Full evaluation of nu-canon:Star Wars Main: Aaron good then very bad, Gillen good then blandly okay, Pak too soon to sayGillen Vader: Good start, deteriorates, Aphra is cancerDoctor Aphra: Livable while Gillen was on it, trash since he leftPoe Dameron: Charles Soule waiting in the wings for something actually goodSoule Vader: Fucking awesome but Momin is kind of ehKanan: Great if you like Rebels otherwise skipPrincess Leia: SkipSoule Lando: Oceans 11 turns into The Shining, do NOT skip, amazingShattered Empire: SkipChewbacca: Absolute trashObi-Wan and Anakin: Good if you like the eraHan Solo: OkayDarth Maul: Excellent, read thisCaptain Phasma: Beautiful art, strong story, but if you hate the sequels you won't buy into itJedi of the Republic -- Mace Windu: Moldy garbage, skipLando: Double or Nothing: very hard to follow, which means you won't give a shit, don't botherHan Solo: Imperial Cadet: Good if you really like Solo, otherwise skip.Dark Visions: First two issues were good, then Vader pulled a BEGONE THOT in #3 and the other two sucked.Age of Republic: Fantastic. Houser's great.Age of Rebellion: Passable. Pak is...okay.Age of Resistance: Hate to say it but Taylor is also okay. I wanted it to be a shitshow, but okay then.TIE Fighter: Neat if you want a short story about Imperial pilots. Houser's a good writerGalaxy's Edge: trashTarget Vader: If you like Beilert Valance and like the old Marvel comics you need to be on this yesterday, this is old-school Marvel Star Wars fanservice all the way
>>67218785you are right in every way.
>>67234431>Star Wars Maindon't forget to mention that while the writing is in general fun but when the artist is Salvador "photoshop and tracing actors heads is ok right?" Larroca hope dies
>>67234211I liked the Mara Jade comic
Why didn't Padme or Jar Jar buy Shmi from Watto and set her free?
>>67234711Jar Jar was a Peniless exile and Padme was a queen in disguiseso like its a bad look to start buying up slaves while pretending not to be a queen
>>67234723I mean after thr Naboo crisis was over.
>>67234742Republic credits still held little or no value in Hutt space, apparently. So there was the matter of what Padme (because Jar Jar wouldn't have that kind of pull for some time) would use to buy her.Second, there's the issue of Tatooine being outside Republic jurisdiction, the problem they first faced when they landed there originally. Giving the Hutts valuable hostages, and letting them know that Shmi was valuable to them in some way, which would only make her life worse in the long run.Which leaves a military intervention. Slavery was illegal...in the Republic, but Tatooine and places under control of the Hutts were seen as independent operating territories (hence, during the Clone Wars, that both the Republic and separatists were negotiating with them for use of their hyperspace routes). Grabbing her would have caused a diplomatic incident.Unfortunately, she got lost in the aftermath of what happened on Naboo. The trials of the trade federation people (in Episode II, it was mentioned there were four trials of nute gunray alone), and the slide towards the Clone Wars.Had Qui-Gon lived, he probably would have found a way (one of the old EU books talks about some help he managed to send before he died), but his death prevented him from doing more.
>>67234920Well, you really thought about that response. You can tell by the level of detail you put into it. The all caps really drove the point home......that you had nothing.
>>67234955well i originally put an obnoxious amount of indent there so it was all spaced out and obnoxious, but it looks like it was condensed and thats disappointingeither way its past 5 and i have work in the morning. by the time i get back here this thread will probably have been twice replaced.and given that we're arguing in circles id say thats little value lost. imma go read a chapter of Tarkin and go to bedgoodnight.
>>67234985And that's when you know you can't have a serious discussion with someone who supports disney and it's nonsense. They just resort to trolling, and being "obnoxious" (poster's own words).
>>67234372>No, it's the fact that he didn't do anything about that "growing darkness" the whole time until the night he went to kill him. Didn't talk to him, didn't reach out through the force to figure out what was going on, nothing.Why are you framing this as though he'd gone there that night specifically to kill Ben? Actually taking a peek under the hood WAS him trying to figure out what was going on, and the shit he saw in there was spooky enough for him to have a kneejerk oh fuck gotta stop this reaction, kinda like how you have a kneejerk oh fuck gotta shriek mouseketeer at anyone with a vaguely positive opinion of the new movies.
>>67234895Why didn't Obi Wan do anything, then?
>>67235400>and the shit he saw in there was spooky enough for him to have a kneejerk oh fuck gotta stop this reaction"Anger, Fear, Aggression, the dark side are they"Sound familiar? That was a life lesson Luke learned over 40+ years earlier and one he drilled into his students every day, his nephew included.What you all keep leaving out of this, is the fact he saw this "growing darkness" and never, not once, *TALKED* to his nephew about it. Ever. You know, like he did with the dad he never even knew before he tried turning him back to the light.That's not Luke. A Luke "buying into his own hype" would have tried harder to save his nephew, not less.
>>67235413>Why didn't Obi Wan do anything, then?Jedi, and Obi-Wan in particular, were by the book people. It would definitely fall under the "military option," even if Jedi weren't normal soldiers.The Hutts would perceive it as such (an act of aggression) and it would cause a diplomatic incident. Look at how dooku tried to set up Anakin when they were rescuing Jabba's son. Hutts take offense easily, and someone grabbing a slave on a planet outside the Republic's jurisdiction would definitely piss them off.Plus, they also got caught up in the fallout from the Naboo situation and the resulting conflicts it caused.
>>67235543"Buying into his own hype" is a more positive-sounding way of saying "Drinking his own kool-aid." If you start honestly believing that you are an infallible awesome hero guy, it becomes a lot easier to prove yourself fallible by way of fuckup.Presumably his plan was to sneak a peek that night, and then use what he learned to start actually talking to the lad the next day. If we're willing to allow for suggested details not shown in the movie, it could be Snoke actually planned for this, and stuffed some super spooky dark side shit in ben's head for playing peekabo. Dun Moch via third party. But that is obviously speculation, all the movie gives us is "I saw some dark shit in there and got spooked for a moment"
>>67235622>"Buying into his own hype" is a more positive-sounding way of saying "Drinking his own kool-aid."Which only means he would have actually talked to his nephew, not mind probed him. Like he did with his father. He didn't reach his father with mind probing, he did it with connecting with him, and reaching the person he was. Luke had the benefit of actually having a relationship with his nephew, and their connection and trust is a benefit that Luke didn't have with his father.>If you start honestly believing that you are an infallible awesome hero guy, it becomes a lot easier to prove yourself fallible by way of fuckup.Which was my point...his plan was to not try and save his nephew and turn him back to the light...but to go in there, saber in hand, rather than try talking to him as he did with his own father.Makes sense for jake, but not for Luke. Even the guy who plays him doesn't recognize the guy.
>>67235809>guy who plays himYes, I know it's mark hamill.
>>67235875I believe you.
>>67229569>Tfw no "BRING ME EVERYONE" General Greivous line
>>67236134Honestly the big bone boy just never got enough play, he was always just a brute for Dooku, still, at least he got play at all,unlike Durge
>>67234372>Especially 40 years later. But they simply reset every single achracter and pretended that their respective arcs and growth didn't happen, and we find them exactly where they are at the beginning of ANH:Not really. Han and Luke have kind of switched places, actually.Han tells Finn and Rey that all the stuff about the jedi and the force is actually true, even though he'd scoffed at it himself in ANH, and what's more insists that they need to press on and complete their mission on Starkiller base when all Finn wants to do is extract Rey and leave. I think he actually says outright "we can't just leave, [the resistance] is counting on us, *the galaxy* is counting on us!"And now Luke is the jaded cynic, believing that him getting involved would just make things worse because he fucked things up in the first place (I always saw Luke as recognising that him thinking of killing Ben was hypocritical, and being all the more convinced he should just stay out of things as a result).
>>67234254>a shooing away of verminIf the shoe fits.
>>67234895Padme was the queen, just offer a starship or some classical art. Maybe offer Jar Jar in return for Shmi.
>>67233748No, I mean why would you come to probably the most well-known shithole of the internet populated by neckbeards and weebs for discussion of possibly the most divisive Star Wars topic in the property's history and expect any other response than autism, especially from this general thread in particularAlso, fuck everyone, Rodians #1, Trandoshan fags get out
>>67237554They would have had to pay them to take Jar Jar.
>>67237772Maybe if they sold him as livestock...I mean, Jabba *did* once drink liquidised Greedo, so I doubt it's that far beyond the realm of possibility.
>>67233851Yeah like durdges hand shields right?
>>67232466I've always been of the mind that nothing is truly canon besides the six movies and the Clone Wars cartoon, all of which were overseen or worked on by George Lucas.At the end of the day everything Disney makes is glorified big budget fanfiction written by JJ, Rian or whoever else, it's up to you personally yo decide what you think is more valid. There's a lot of the old EU/Legends I enjoy, and some things from the new canon like books. I generally enjoy things like Rogue One, Rebels and Solo enough, most were made with ideas based off of George's or made by people from the old Lucasfilm like Filoni. None if it is what I consider to be the "lucas bible" but you can still enjoy it and I consider it more canon than the sequels because of Filoni, but that's just me.All I'm saying is all this bitching about canon and TLJ isn't really worth it when you realise it's up to you to believe what is canon now, Disney might own the property but it's pretty much just licensed fanfiction these days for the most part.
>>67238016Why do people deny themselves the glory of Rebels?
>>67238016Mouse Wars isn't by fans though.
>>67238016>and the Clone Wars cartoonWhich version do you use as your canon? The original, or the CGI remake?
>>67238131It lacks TCW's production values and is even more hit-or-miss with its episode quality.
>>67238131At first I hated it because they were replacing Clone Wars with it, but I grew to like it for the most part. Helps that Filoni was at the helm. I find it more valid than the story of the ST, that's for sure. >>67238168I meant it might as well be akin to licensed fanfiction, that's the cold, hard truth. Is the LotR amazon series going to be canon to Tolkien's mythology just because they own the license? I doubt any hardcore fan would entertain that. People can love it, but that doesn't make it any more valid, objectively speaking.>>67238222The CGI one because George worked on that heavily. I guess you could consider the Tartakovsky version canon since it was approved under George, but if I'm being really picky it's only the stuff he directly worked on imo.
>>67238266It's not fanfiction of any sort because the people who make it aren't fans. They don't give a shit.
>>67238277JJ and Rian are fans, just poor ones, they don't truly get Star Wars I think, they only acknowledge the things they like about it, it's less about respecting the saga as a whole or following George's vision with them, therefore it's pretty much licensed fanfiction. But Kathleen Kennedy looks and acts like she doesn't give a shit about Star Wars, and many of the colleagues she brought in too I imagine.Filoni is a fan who does a better job at upholding George's traditions imo.
>>67238131Because is subpar, it didn't grow as much as the clone wars did. Some cool shit, but you had to drink loads of piss to get them.
Bump limit reached, time for a story time!
>>67232525>considering he committed attempted murder against Ben for no good reason at all.Were we watching the same film either? There's never a point we see Luke trying to kill Ben.
>>67238573Sorry i haven't been able to make these once every thread, blame the time zones and my need to sleep for that.
>>67238591Quick recap for those who missed out three earlier story times.>MC Zayne Carrick is hounded by the jedi order for killing his fellow padawans, when in reality it was his and his friends masters who murdered them.>Time we are in is the mandalorian wars and Revan recently visited our current planet, Taris
>>67238618I don't remember this particular lesson in Jedi curriculum, getting tossed out of the airlock into dense asteroid field doesn't seem like a thing you normally need to worry about.
>>67238581He raised his lightsaber in anger, with the desire to kill him. That counts as attempted murder
>>67238668So, here we have a party of a jedi knight with luck stat in the negative and wisdom somewhere between 2 and 1, making him the wimpiest jedi you could ever think of as well as a little fella with charisma of well over 20.
>>67238643>He raised his lightsaber in angerWhen did this happen?
>>67238689Yes, i am certain they will be too smart to fall for a simple breadcrumb trail leading to the under city.
>>67238714https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnREVb33zx0Yet again we see that high Wis doesn't mean high Int.
>>67238689I blame Zayne's teacher. Over time Zayne improves a lot and becomes much more capable. Within certain margins at least.
>>67238643I don't think that igniting the lightsaber without swinging it would really count as attempted murder.It seems more equivalent to threatening someone with a gun, but not firing, which is generally treated as assault rather than attempted murder.
>>67238766A new challenger appears!
>>67238573I like that idea of bump limit story time mate.
>>67238797>>67238794I figured that would cause less fuss than a story time mid thread.
>>67238403KK sees it as a paycheck and platform for her social agendas
>>67238812Well now, looks like Zayne created an echo, without even trying.A certain not jedi, not sith would be proud!
>>67238831Here you can see a super high int, abysmal cha character in its natural habitat.
>>67238773I would see it more like cocking a gun than just pointing it. It’s ready to go, not just being waved around. I would bet it would be enough of a substantial step to satisfy Attempt.>>67238694In the flashback. If you’re saying that didn’t really happen I don’t see what there is to discuss with you really.
>>67238812Yeah, it lets people talk about sw comics without messing the people than wants to talks about the rpgs/wargames, best of the two worlds.
>>67238861>>67238846Then there's no reason to change this arrangement.Hopefully someone else could story time in threads i can't get to.Also, *knock knock* TARIS FBI, OPEN THE DOOR!
>>67238896Time to fuck off to orbit.
>>67238845>In the flashback.In the true flash back the only thing Luke does is ignite his lightsaber but the film and cast make it clear he never had the intention of killing nor was he angry.
>>67238914And with that, our story time for today is over.See you next time, whenever the stars align right again.
>>67233617>dissing Jan Duursema's artObjectively shit taste
>>67234261>the last two arcs of TotJ are a little underwhelingRedemption is kino
>>67235809>his plan was to not try and save his nephew and turn him back to the light...but to go in there, saber in hand,
>>67238131>Really inconsistent episode quality>The tone and pacing was all over the place>subpar storylines that went on for far to long>obnoxious main character that never really grew into anything special>too focused on main cast leading to repetition and other issuesWhile it definitely had its moments it never reached the same level of quality as its predecessor. Even at its best it was just clone wars lite
>>67239319Not as bad as the people who shit on based Kennedy.
>>67218459Speaking of FFG, if I'm reading this correctly, the Jedi career in RoS/CoR does NOT count as being in-class specializations for FaD characters? It seems somewhat weird that they'd be disconnected in this way, though I suppose making them Universal to other Jedi careers would be a bit much?
>no Republic Commando 2>no Jedi Academy 2>no Empire at War 2>no Battlefront 3>no star fighter sims>no Knights of the Republic 3I'd say we are living in the worst timeline if Legion didn't exist, especially with the Clone Wars being added.
>>67240866>no Empire at War 2There's some buzz that the old Petroglyph Games crew may be doing something with Empire at War after they finish working on the Command & Conquer remaster.
>>67241023Hopefully better maps, ship pathfinding and completely reworked ground battles. Oh, and clone wars era.
>>67241023weuw lad, got a link? It would be absolutely insane if we got a sequel with Siri's sith carbonite army
>>67241201https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2019/03/star-wars-empire-war-director-sequel.html>a sequel with Siri's sith carbonite armyI'm pretty sure the Forces of Corruption plotline got retconned with the rest of the EU content.
>>67241273fair enough, but if there's one sector that it's especialyl retarded to stick to disney canon timeline it's videogames. They should create special standalone games and dip into the EU as needed.
>>67239330i meant Golden Age of the Sith and Fall of the Sith Empiregiven that BOTH of those bog subjects are introduced and resolvein only ten issues with like four other plots at the same time its SUPER compressed and unsatifying
>>67240866to be fair most of those were shitchanned well before the Disney acquisition
>>67241107>>67241023Have you tried EAW with mods? Some of them are genuinely good enough to be a sequelAwakening of the Rebellion is the best and there are a few really good Clone Wars Mods as wellhttps://www.moddb.com/mods/awakening-of-the-rebellion-2 - hands down the best EAW mod, amazing graphics new game mechanics as well as has it's own story modehttps://www.moddb.com/mods/star-wars-clone-wars - this one lines up with the Clone Wars Showhttps://www.moddb.com/mods/republic-at-war - this one lines up with the movies
>>67241417Awakening of the Rebellion is great, but it crashes quite a lot. The original EAW game engine was always pretty bad, and the mod team are pushing it way beyond what it was meant for with their elaborate scripting.