>>15858483
near death experience might be enough.

>>15858483
Just get him a nice comfy aspie gf

>>15858483
You would have to find the cure for society.

>>15858483
asperger's is the fucking cure to a sick society. to a sick fucking species for that matter

>>15858929
>>15858890
>>15858588
>>15858565
I just want him to lead a normal life, stop his constant suffering

>>15858483
>>15859186
Therapy.

>>15859186
There is nothing wrong with him, the society won't let him have a normal life and a job.

>>15858483
Look up a group called Aspergerexperts and tell him to read their books “surviving and thriving with Aspergers” and “7 easy ways to motivate someone with Asperger’s”. Have him look around the website and consider what else they have to offer as well. They actually know what it’s like since the founder has it and has dealt with it. For understanding how Asperger’s works and is experienced here’s the main points:

-they get overstimulated by stimuli due to low vagal tone, meaning everything is more intense and they get traumatized easily.
-autists have something called defense mode they go into when they get overwhelmed by something due to low vagal tone. They want to protect themselves and their body goes into survival mode constantly stressing out looking for potential threats screaming YOU’RE NOT SAFE YOU’RE GONNA FUCKING DIE YOU RETARD HIDE HIDE HIIIIIIDE!!!!! as a way to try and have some control over their lives. It shuts down higher cognitive functioning to focus on pure survival. Most autists are in this mode to some degree almost all of the time.

-the two above things mean they get emotionally and mentally burnt out more easily

-they usually try to exert strong control over their emotions in order to avoid harm from overstimulation. But what this actually does is prevent the emotion from passing. Making it really hard to get out of and stay out of defense mode.

I hope the books help anon.

>>15859225
They are normal people who get traumatized by everyone else being a sociopath. Maybe he should try to move to another country.

>>15859223
>>15859232
>I'm not abnormal, everyone else is!
Fucking learn to cope, retard

>>15859232
>>15859247
It’s like I’m with the 16 year old edgelords on /gif/ lmao.

>>15859385
On /gif/?

>>15859232
>Maybe he should try to move to another country.
what are the best countries for people with asperger?

>>15859507
East Asia. China, Japan, but guess it may depend, so try testing it, generally anything outside the US/EU will be likely better off than home. Keep in mind that immigranta are often immigrants for the exact same reason, and may be on average more sociopathic than typical for their country.

>>15859225
what about meds? drugs?

>>15859524
>East Asia. China, Japan
Good, I've been trying to make him go to Asia, I feel he would fit bettet there.
Japan and China are probably hard to move for good, what are the best alternatives?
Vietnam?
Philippines?
Thailand?
Myanmar?
Taiwan?

>>15859525
just take drugs that kill your personal agency and turn you into a good goy!

>>15858483
Tell him to man the fuck up.

>>15859638
>just take drugs that kill your personal agency and turn you into a good goy!
He's suffering 24/7. How is that better?
He lives on the past. He can't move on.

>>15859781
at least the suffering is real and his own. taking drugs to alter your perception, so that you can tolerate intolerable situations for the good of society is dystopian and inhumane

>>15859186
>I just want him to lead a normal life
not possible and thinking this way will only lead to more suffering. he's not normal and never will be. that doesn't mean he can't live a life that's as good or better than that of a normal person, but he can't do it the way they do it.

>>15859795
>at least the suffering is real and his own. taking drugs to alter your perception, so that you can tolerate intolerable situations for the good of society is dystopian and inhumane
You've got a point... what SHOULD he do then?

>>15860012
psychedelica
with someone he trusts implicitly who also has experience (ideally: you)
with a low to medium dose of mdma if necessary

read the first reply to your thread

>>15860061
>psychedelica
>with someone he trusts implicitly who also has experience (ideally: you)
>with a low to medium dose of mdma if necessary
datura?
ayahuasca?
ibogaine?
he tried shrooms already, it didn't work
thanks for trying to help him

>>15859826
>but he can't do it the way they do it.
what can he do?
how should he live?
what should he do job wise?

>>15859525
99% bullshit.

>>15860162
Don't attempt datura, it will fuck you up for life

>>15858483
>Uniquely Human: Updated and Expanded: A Different Way of Seeing Autism
just give this book a shot.

>>15858483
I always wondered. How can these high functioning autists that manage to finish uni with respectable degrees not be able to even hold wagie job? How can a man become fully certified engineer while also not being able to wake up, go to werehouse, move some boxes for 8 hours and go home? Are autists just free from doing homework or even go to school at all? What even is happening?

>>15860318
I have a CS BS (honors, pile of awards and scholarships), philosophy BA too, almost enough bio for another major. I don't know if CS counts to the elitists of sci, but I do like the theoretical end (automata theory, algos, logic in symbolic AI, etc) and am not a normie looking to cash in (got into CS as a way of continuing my interests in cognitive science, neurobio, via AI and simulation etc).

I collect interim AutismBux (few hundred and EBT) while waiting on my lawyer for the full grand a month and five figures of retro. I have never held any form of employment, but have heard that a CS degree can many one money with lots of luck and connections (which I don't have) and would work for less than 30k or even 20k doing this stuff if it were possible (yet some fags make 200k at home doing next to nothing with the same degree, go figure). I have no fucking idea how normies magically wind up rich (rich is 50k to me) by some arcane ritual nobody ever communicated to me. I would be a hazard around dangerous crushing, grinding, smelly, etc. machines and can barely go shopping in a store from the fucking noise and light - hence my academic interests to spare me from fucking melting down the first picosecond on the job.

Had piles of homework in uni and executed it all perfectly.

I also had to take care of a parent for fucking years so that kind of removes you from employment. I know that's a good reason for never being employed and it's what I cite the few times I've submitted my CV for positions. Interviewed with a university for a 50k programmer position at least. I can live on vapors but it is trying at times begging gov bureaucrats to keep from starving and plan on more degrees like an MS but even a PhD is no guarantee of income (which I'd like as well). I deal in certainties and following rules and their is no algorithmic effective procedure terminating in employment, it's a fucking crapshoot that confuses and angers my autism.

>>15860318
>How can a man become fully certified engineer while also not being able to wake up, go to werehouse, move some boxes for 8 hours and go home?
you don't have to deal with anyone to get a degree.
you have to deal with lots of people at work.
aspies cant into human relationships, but they are smart and can study.

>>15860162
DMT/ayahuasca

>>15860424
>Go to something like jobs.com
>Find something you can do
>Set there your CV
>Get interview
>Get hired
There, no connections needed, its not the best job, but it is still a job that you can manage to land easily if you have certifications. How is this harder then getting a full fucking stem degree?

OP here
my brothers spent 16 hours today texting me, complaining about his life, remembering all the bad things that happened to him, how life was unfair and so on
this happens almost every day
there must be a cure.
I can't stand it anymore.
Meanwhile I just told him to stay on his room.
Every time he leaves his house something baf happens.
He became worse after school
Than way worse after college.
Even worse after his 1st job
Completely histeric after his 2nd job

There must be a cure.
How can he live like this?

>>15860570
Maybe I've been reading too much demoralization on the cscareer reddit, but that seems too easy.

>>15858483
There's no "cure" for a differently wired brain. The only thing to do for your brother is accept his autism and it's not his fault the fucked up NPC ran world is unfriendly to someone different. Neurotypical society is basically lunatics (sociopaths et al) running the asylum and expecting aspies to wear normieface is inane - "if one is despised by a corrupt society, you know you are doing something right".

>>15859531
I don't know.
>>15859669
I guess you are too old to experience it.
>>15859826
Everybody else isn't normal.
>>15860318
They are normal. Everybody else is a sociopath. They simply won't let him work.
>>15860424
It's not an arcane ritual, they lie and cheat and steal and sabotage everyone else (that includes you). All help is pretense. Even money kind of is, they mainly care about having sex.

LSD.

>>15860061
>>15861373
No. Those help psychos fake normalcy.

I dunno there was this autistic kind in my school back when I was a kid and he started screaming like a retard and I hate yelling cause all my parents did was yell so I beat the shit out of him. Then he was crying so I started to choke him cause he reminded me of how all my mother does is cry at night keeping me up annoying the shit out of me.
Then he ran away coughing.
Tell you what that sperg never bothered me again.
But I did not learn a good lesson. Later in my 20s I went to jail for battery. Then I was in mandatory anger management for almost 5 years.
Turns out I was the spastic retard the whole time. Those people who I hurt all those years probably should have told me what I was doing was wrong, no one ever told me. I thought it was just a good solution.
Let me tell you the whole fucking world is fucked up with behavioral issues. So don't be too concerned about some aspies.
Behavior can be treated with time.

>>15860318
>go to werehouse, move some boxes for 8 hours and go home
God, I wish I had such a job, sounds comfy af.
But in practice all available jobs require me to deal with people all the time and to constantly change what I'm doing due to dynamic environment.

>>15861488
That isn't the problem of autism. You are larping.

>>15861547
of course it is

>>15861562
No it isn't.

>>15861592
>>15861547
>noo, finding social interactions problematic and insistence on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines aren't part of autism!!1!
Those things are literally in the diagnostic criteria of autism.

>>15858483
Lots and lots of theraphy to fix his trauma.

>>15861547
>>15861762
Sigh. Why do normies insist on talking about things they know nothing about so much? Absolutely disgusting filth.

>>15860981
His problem isn't Asperger's it's being a mopey cunt ffs

Lots of people lead perfectly normal and happy lives with Asperger's, but when you're convinced everything bad that has ever happened to you is because of Asperger's and if only you didn't have Asperger's your life would be perfect and it's hopeless without a cure for Asperger's, nothing is ever going to improve.

>>15861762
It isn't work relayed problems, it's the inability to deal with the constant scheming and backstabbing and other unpleasantness.

You misunderstood it in your attempt to larp though, the problem is
>No you can't do it in the way that makes the most sense, you must do it this way, that takes ten times longer. No I will not explain why you have to do it this way.
Yes, this can be a problem for autists

>>15861981
Yes indeed, understanding that that which makes sense to them does not necessarily make sense to others and that their opinions aren't fact can be a problem for autists

>>15861981
No Anon, the only person larping here is you, larping as a psychologist. I've already pointed out what's wrong with your "argument" and provided a source. If you can't do the shame, then shut up, because you're causing unnecessary confusion.

>>15861999
You (or somebody above) misinterpreted a brief definition, and pretemded to be autistic. Ot's a core "problem" of autism that autists don't immitate the rituals of others. (social or not)
>>15861995
Why would it not make sense to others, and if it doesn't why do they tell others what to do?

>>15862042
>Why would it not make sense to others, and if it doesn't why do they tell others what to do?
I'm probably on the spectrum but I'm too neurotypical for this shit

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>>15860981
Try to keep stimulations way, way down. Especially noise must be reduced. Some schools for people with Aspergers even avoid loud colours, just using subdued earth colours.
My guess is that he has a good memory that is triggered by associations. I am the same and I have many bad memories to rue upon. So I have to make a conscious effort to stay comfy. See if you can find a topic he finds interesting and that he can bury himself into. It might be obscure, that doesn't matter.

>>15862043
Well, why wouldn't it? And if they don't want it done the obvious way, why can't they explain their way?

>Have literally the mildest form of autism that isn't even noticeable a lot of the time
>go on self-pitying woe-is-me rants for literally sixteen hours a day
Is there a cure for being a little bitch

>>15858483

There is no cure for aspergers but coffee and nicotine in the form of smoking, vaping or even patches may help. Maybe he is over working himself or over exciting his senses and having a meltdown as a result, people are different but for some too much noise or people demanding things can take it's toll. You could also tell him he should be grateful as many normal people would like to have aspergers, think of it like an annoying gift. He needs things to hyper-focus on.

>>15859524
>>15859531
It's not like the anime, if ur white it would suck imo to stand out like a sore thumb
also China is literally full of heartless sociopath con artists
>>15859525
benzos, alcohol, any GABA anti-anxiety drug works best it's no coincidence that alcoholism and intelligence r correlated

>>15862150
I don't watch anime. Not more than anybody else. I've seen a couple of movies. What do you think it has to do with anime?

>>15862065
The vaccine for COVID-19.
Because it kills you, and the dead can whine like bitches.

>>15862150
lots of former white losers are living as happy as ever in asia

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>>15861995
>>15862042
>>15862043
>>15862063
Here I illustrated ot for you.

>>15862323
Seems like stickman B shouldn't be a manager in such workplace.

>>15858483
Best you can do is encourage him to change. True change can only come from within.

>>15862381
can he change?
I'm not sure.
I'm desperate.
I'll try Ayahuasca on myself and if it's good I'll tell him about it.

There is a way to cure ass burgers, since ass burgers is a fake disease, all you have to do to "cure" it is to stop being a pussy and stop reinforcing the idea that you suffer from a real disease. At 30 it might be too late for that, though, but it's worth a try.

You have to make sure, however, that your brother isn't actually a schizoid and not a sperg, 50% of spergs are actually schizoids, schizoid personality disorder is a real disease, and the only cure is a bullet to the cranium.

>>15862832
You only type that because 93% of jews are schizo, antisemite.

>>15859507
He'd be the most normal and sociable man in Finland

>>15862962
Nice, but too expensive...

>>15862368
Congratulations, you have aspergers.

>>15862832
>schizoid personality disorder is a real disease, and the only cure is a bullet to the cranium.
retard

>>15862832
You are right that it isn't real (I don't think that schizpid is different) they are people who remain normal, everybody else is brain damaged. Old people don't get it, because they are obviously normal, but their problem is the brain damaged majority.

>>15863899
>Old people don't get it, because they are obviously normal
There are old autistic people. It's a form of brain damage so anyone from any generation can be autistic.

>>15863902
No it isn't. Autistic people are normal, and so they seem normal to old people who grew up when the majority was normal.

You know the current AI bots? They seem convincing, but it is believed they work on the principle called a "stochastic parrot" - they are well trained to guess well enough what fits the context, but they have no real understanding what they talk about. They are only sufficiently well trained to reply something appropriate most of the time, to make people overlook the ocassional mishap.

People whose neocortex has failed (from lead eeficiency) learn to talk the same way.

>>15862832

No, SPD was something people latched onto when identifying as "autistic" fell out of vogue.
I swear, like two years ago, every blue hair started identifying as "schizoid", and less people have identified as "autistic". Even though its pretty much the same thing on the surface.
Can't wait for the next hot new label

>>15864029
People are suiciding over it and you're laughing.

>>15864585
No one forced you to shot yourself with a deadly mutagen.
Stop whining about it.

>>15864687
what are you talking about?

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There is no "cure" bro. His brain is not the same as most people's. That can't be fixed.

It's like looking for a "cure" for Down's syndrome.

sorry about your bro but he's going to have to learn to COPE. I have found that in the business world companies and people in my experience are more tolerant and accepting of people with issues like your brother than they ever have been before, to a large degreee

>>15864880
>sorry about your bro but he's going to have to learn to COPE.
Therapy, essentially. He will have to learn navigating, thinking through his actions where neurotypicals slide through using inaccuracies and assumptions that do not fit well with autists. I have a female colleague on the spectrum. She is good at this but once you get to know her, you can see what is beneath the surface, especially when talking about things she care a lot about.

If it didn't give me panic attacks I would take edibles every day. Edibles de-autistify people. It's worth a shot.

>>15863809
Probably. But do you have an actual point to make, or are you just trying to insult me?

>>15866032
The point is that you are right, when he can't recognize the obvious solution, and insist on working the contraption behind. But the world is insane, and he is your boss, and you will do it his way, if you want to keep your job.

>>15866032
The point is that you are right, He shouldn't be when he can't recognize the obvious solution, and insist on using the contraption behind. But the world is insane, and he is your boss, and you will do it his way, if you want to keep your job.

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>>15858483 >>15859186
How is it going, OP; did you try any recommendations? People here care.

https://www.epiphanyasd.com/?m=1 resources here.

>>15860318
I am a diagnosed sperg and have the opposite problem. Dropped out of uni after four years with no degree, yet I still work in engineering for a certain large aerospace company that /sci/ is fond of. It affects everyone differently and the associated comorbidities can play a huge role. For example, my Asperger's is pretty mild but that's combined with somewhat more severe ADHD and VERY severe dyscalculia, to the point that I cannot do very simple division in my head or on paper, such as 54/3. Engineers don't actually often perform calculations that matter in their heads, but academia wants you to build familiarity with equations by doing it on paper which is kinda stupid imo.

>>15870416
He's torturing me.
I don't know what else to do.
He's trying CBD, obviously not working.
He's treated like shit by everyone, gets mad over it, and still insists on leaving his house.
He spends 16 hours a day complaining abaout every little thing with me.
He can't stop.
He doesn't follow my advice.
I'm afraid he might die soon.
He's torturing, he's the only thing that made me cry in the last 20 years.
He's so unlucky it seems like he's cursed.
Plus he doesn't help himself: he looks for trouble.
He wants to suffer. He wants me to suffers.
He needs to be locled on his room until there's a cure for it.
I can't stand it anymore.
Every time he leaves his home I fear something REALLY bad might happen.
He was failed by his family, including me, and I believe only a miracle will help him.
He gets worse every day.

>>15871264
>He gets worse every day.
This might be a red flag. I thought people with Aspergers stayed roughly level without descending into deeper problems. Have you checked for any comorbidities?

>>15858483
LSD probably

>>15871298
>This might be a red flag. I thought people with Aspergers stayed roughly level without descending into deeper problems.
I mean, his life has always been fucked up, but the last month was too extreme.
On his state he should be home surrounded by his family to protect him, but he decided to travel and then complain about it the whole day saying he hates he life, that nothing ever works for him (which is true), that he'll kill himself...
He's cursed.
God truly hates him and our family.
I don't see a way out.
>Have you checked for any comorbidities?
I mean he probably has every bad thing one can have, considering his extremely shitty existence.
He's not normal. Not even close.
That's why he should be home... but no, he wants to suffer and to make us suffer as well.

>>15871327
Cut contact with him and if he threatens to kill himself, contact a healthcare professional to have him taken into protective custody. He's not interested in doing anything to iprove his situation, he only wants to complain in the absence of a panacea and it's making your life worse. There is no way to reach him or help him, you can only help yourself at this point.

Although I am curious about everything that apparently goes so wrong every time he leaves the house.

>>15871455
>Although I am curious about everything that apparently goes so wrong every time he leaves the house.
People are rude and violent to him.
I saw it happen some times so I know he's not making it up.
He just takes assumes every thing people tell him is true. He gets mad over it.

>>15871494
>He gets mad over it.
Sounds like a 'him' problem.

>>15871264
bro that is not Assburgers stop misdiagnosing him. I think he's got terminal beta faggot disorder or something.

>>15871561
>bro that is not Assburgers stop misdiagnosing him
I didn't, several doctors did in the last few years.
I thought he just had "depression" or "anxiety" but unfortunately it goes deeper.

>>15858483
ERM ACTUALLY THERE"S NO SUCH THING AS ASBERGERS. IT'S ACTUALLY ALL JUST AUTISM.
YOU AND THE MOUTH BREATHING RETARD THAT CANT SURVIVE WITHOUT A 24/7 CARER ARE THE SAME.

>>15871455
How about you kill yourself?

Are you jewish, by the way?

>>15871998
How about you kill your brother, then yourself.

Are you turkish, by the way?

He could try acting or write a scifi book, i have same

>>15872008
No, I'm not turkish, but you giving personally convenient, yet malicious advice is very jewish.

>>15872125
How is that malicious advice? There are two possible scenarios for this story (assuming it's real) and in both of them disengaging is the best option.

>>15872131
In the same way that you've been giving to undermine societies for ages. Stop pretending that you don't understand what you're doing.

>>15872146
What are you even talking about?

>>15872149
You know very well what I'm talking about. (I'm not that anon by the way)

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>>15872131
Yeah man. You'll live a great and wonderful life by casting off your only family and focusing all of your attention on yourself. Funnily enough I actually had to do that with my father almost 20 years ago now but that's because he was a piece of shit like you. I agree that attention whoring shouldn't be fed into but a dysfunctional spastic can't really help how he was born, not that he can't improve himself though.
My advice to OP would be to contact a state service and see if they can help. There are classes for people with the tism to help them fuck up slightly less at the very least and maybe get a job. Your bro sounds like he's having a CWC-esque meltdown so pulling him out of the downward spiral using positive reinforcement is about the only hope for him. He needs to be taught what works for him, what sorts of jobs he can do, what kind of people he should bother to interact with, and what he should expect from life. Patting a sperg on the back and saying 'go get em champ' instead of giving specific direction is the single worst life advice an autistic can get. The good news is that if you can improve him then he can enjoy a life of blissful tard happiness while still having a functioning brain. Take this from an autistic tard with a BS in stem and a mortgage

>>15858483
NAC helps.

>>15872181
>Yeah man. You'll live a great and wonderful life by casting off your only family and focusing all of your attention on yourself.
That's what OP claims his brother is doing. If OP is being honest, his brother has a serious personality disorder (not autism, or not exclusively autism) and he seems to use his misery as a way to get attention. For someone like that the more miserable he seems and the more other people are burdened by him the better.

Your brother is autistic as fuck. neurotic and sensitive as fuck.
he can't understand people and reacts extremely.
so, neurotic and autistic. you need to get him into a professional therapist that knows what they're doing and you need to get him as far away from public as possible. somewhere calm and isolated, like a buddhist temple, for a couple of years.
he needs to understand himself the world and the people in it, from there he can decide what he wants to do.

here you go >>15858483
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335847368_Dysbiotic_microbiota_in_autistic_children_and_their_mothers_persistence_of_fungal_and_bacterial_wall-deficient_L-form_variants_in_blood

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33132781/

>>15871114
>Tfw also sperg with dyscalculia and aborted prior education

Your post has induced feelings of hope in me

>>15872237
>Your brother is autistic as fuck. neurotic and sensitive as fuck.
>he can't understand people and reacts extremely.
>so, neurotic and autistic. you need to get him into a professional therapist that knows what they're doing and you need to get him as far away from public as possible. somewhere calm and isolated, like a buddhist temple, for a couple of years.
OP here, that's pretty much it.
But he doesn't want to isolate, he wants to suffer and to make his family suffer.
All his actions point to it.
He's not normal but wants to live like a normal person.
He can't. He won't.
As for therapists we tried them all... and he's only getting worse.

>>15871962
You are saying this about the retard who spends all day locked in his room and spending every waking moment bitching about how much his life sucks lol

>>15872125
>personally convenient, yet malicious advice
What's malicious here is continuing to make OP feel responsible for his brother whom he cannot help in any way and who a massive darin on everyone around him. Sitting around feeling sorry for someone helps no one. If he refuses professional help, what do you expect anyone to do? If he threatens to kill himself, do you really think it's more helpful to give into his manipulative demands? What is your actual point here? Just to maximise human suffering?

>>15872181
>You'll live a great and wonderful life by casting off your only family and focusing all of your attention on yourself.
Yeah, if you family is shit (like yours). You refuse to see what a manipulative, bitter, spiteful cunt the brother is. He has refused all help yet continues to bitch that there is no help. The whole thread already suggested therapy and guess what, brother refuses to go.
>Just get him a job, bro!
delusional

>>15861373 >>15871307
OP loves his brother and doe snot want to murder him. I wouldn't go further than hot chocolate or some nice tea.

>>15871455
Do you know anything about Aspergers, or is this just morbid entertainment to you?

>>15871327
Have you tried deflection? As in getting him interested in a specific topic that can be sufficiently absorbing? People with Aspergers are famous for the ability to dig deep into anything that interests them. The advice from >>15872181 about professional help is the most solid I have seen in this thread.

>>15872663
>Do you know anything about Aspergers, or is this just morbid entertainment to you?
You can't help someone who refuses all help. The sooner you all realise that, including OP, the sooner he can start improving his own life. The 'tism isn't even OP's brother's biggest problem by a long shot. You might as well all be telling him to "jus b himself" for all the good it'll ever do.

>>15872538
>The whole thread already suggested therapy and guess what, brother refuses to go.
He's been going for the last 15 years... he even tried religion... it just didn't work

>>15874184
has he tried Buddhism and becoming a Yogi?

>>15874266
Not really... but I'll look it up, thanks

>>15874184
Oh, it "just didn't work" huh, because of the asperger's... doomed from the start, you might say.

Like I said, there's no helping people who are convinced they're beyond help.

spergs don't need therapy, apart from maybe dealing with being surrounded by mentally insane people (almost all of the poeples)
spergs are differently wired in the brain, there's nothing you can do to them, apart from trying to make their lives even shittier.
spergs are humans 2.0

>>15875107
Most people, by definition, are not insane. If you don't fit into society, it's not society that has the problem.

>>15875115
I pray that you vaccinated.

>>15875140
I fail to see the bearing that has on this conversation.

>>15875115
well they can be by their own (public) moral standards, that's the whole point, that's why spergs really can say they live in a world mostly populated by the mentally insane.

>>15875145
Are you suggesting only neurotypical people are ever hypocrites?
Spergs may have trouble with subjectivity but I think what's probably happening here is they fail to understand some of the subtler nuances of social situations, making it appear as if people are unpredictable and strange.

>>15875148
neurotypicals have "old" hardware where spergs have latest shit, which is designed to filter out bullshit. not sure I can explain it better than that. that also makes it not a choice for spergs. it's not something which if you just insist harder it will happen or something, you're just fucking them up even more by trying.

>>15875153
Human 2.0 update seems to have broken a lot of things

>>15875155
which might make very much sense at some point

>>15875165
I wonder how you think you're the one to judge that given that you're incapable of making sense of a lot of those things

>>15875181
if I can't make sense of it it's most likely bullshit and I'm not even joking

>>15875186
What if you're bullshit

>>15875187
I can't. that's the whole point.

>>15875189
Of all the things you can't I'm pretty sure that's not one of them and you have no idea of knowing

>>15858483
getting a job at early in life, being forced to be responsible and to interact with people helps, but also tell him not to take himself too seriously. this society isn't based on morals as schools want us to believe...

>>15858483
why don't you tell your brother to do something he is or could be good at? tech jobs are great for us autists. depending on the role, we usually don't need to deal with normal people, and since usually other people have no technical knowledge, we get to do whatever we want and decide WHEN and HOW to do it

here's a python tutorial in case you want to help him learn
https://bugs.python.org/file47781/Tutorial_EDIT.pdf

>he's a STEM graduate but can't hold a job
what degree?

also ask >>>/adv/

>>15860981
as your brother raped or something?
how about you take him to psych therapy instead of trying to fix him by talking all day long to him? or maybe try to have him drop the victimization mentality

This thread is tantalisingly vague. We don't know what the brother has tried or not, what went wrong or why, or what else the brother may be suffering from, or any of his circumstances. We're just told the problem is Asperger's and asked to do something about that.

>>15875282
>getting a job at early in life
So, time travel it is, then?
>but also tell him not to take himself too seriously
OP doesn't quite seem able to convince his brother about anything. This seems like the first problem to overcome.

>>15875466
OP reeks of someone with Munchausen's by Proxy or who has another personality disorder and is externalizing his attention-seeking through his brother.

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>>15871455
>Cut contact with him and if he threatens to kill himself, contact a healthcare professional to have him taken into protective custody. He's not interested in doing anything to iprove his situation, he only wants to complain in the absence of a panacea and it's making your life worse. There is no way to reach him or help him, you can only help yourself at this point.
>Although I am curious about everything that apparently goes so wrong every time he leaves the house.

>>15858483
why would you want to cure his superpower?
t. aspie

>>15858483
I'm autistic and planning on getting on disability. Also thinking about getting an electric moped to help me out if I can get my license.

>>15858483
intermittent fasting and weight lifting. fasting has a lot of health benefits.
ask /fit/

>>15871494
If you live in a violent area, consider leaving.

>>15872404
He does not have autism! Autism is not focused on intentional self-harm and harming his environment (you) to my understanding.
Describe his actions more precisely.

>>15875996
Good point. OP, You (!) need to visit therapy.

>>15858483
Moving to the Netherlands >>15876490

>>15876369
I hope you have the most exhausting narcissitic family who demand your help constantly. You deserve them. And if you've been reaised by authoritarians it's statistically likely, too.

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People used to beat them when they were children and they were bullied at school until they learned what behaviors were acceptable and which ones weren't. Now we allow them to frolic in their own retardation. No, you aren't autistic, you're an asshole in need of a beating.

>>15877173
No that was the normies. Now they created a "world without violence", because they didn't get why you were beating them up, and thought that people just beat each other like that. We had to suffer the horrific behavior, and got labelled autistic with "oversensitivities" when we couldn't take it.

>>15877173
>I completely refuse science and will insist in my primitive ways
you're a retard anon. you're exactly the retard that does the very same thing, even harder, expecting a different result. you know you are a retard, we know you are a retard, but you'll do the very same thing, because you can't understand anything else. you're too dumb for it.

>>15877246
You're desperate to consider yourself special for being brain damaged.

>annoying OP blames his brother's superpowers for his brother being an asshole
OP, you're an idiot. There is nothing inherently wrong with your bro, you're just both fucking intolerable. Clearly this runs in the family. You should leave him to his own devices. In fact, I suggest you move to some asian country without telling anybody, and never come back, and never post here again either. Thanks! bye

OP here
this FUCKING RETARD insists on leaving his house and spends the whole time complaining that he's not enjoying it, full meltdown
Tired of this shit, I literally can't go on living like this anymore, he's torturing me
If you are a CERTIFIED AUTIST why would you be among crowds?
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!
If EVERY SINGLE TIME you leave the housr you come back with another trauma, WHY WOULD YOU LEAVE?
NO ONE IS FORCING YOU!
WE'RE BEGGING YOU TO STAY INSIDE!

>>15878370
Have you considered posting about it on social media?

>>15878379
I don't use social media.
Well, not fb, instagram and twitter
does 4chan count?

>>15878370
And here you are complaining to us

>>15878412
Yeah... but I told him this already.
I need to lock him up.

>>15878037
People used to behave our way, people still mostly behave our way outside west. What is also important, we are rapidly declining, while the others are rising. Meanwhile, normal people are treated as retarded apes by the brain damaged. as in >>15877347

>>15878934
People like you used to be bullied. Now society coddles you and fluffs up your narcissism enough to make you believe your delusions of grandeur.

>>15878415
>I need to lock him up.
Why are you obsessed with this?

>>15878963
You are fifty years late. Yes people like neurotypical people used to be outcasts. I was already bullied by them though. Too late to keep the brain damaged in check. Think about how to help normal people regain control.

>>15878969
>Yes people like neurotypical people used to be outcasts.
How did you manage to totally misread my post several times in a row? Were you exposed to lead as a child?

>>15878971
People like me didn't use to be bullied. People like modern neurotypical people used to be bullied (because of their outrageous behavior).

>>15878974
No you definitely would have been bullied in the past. The fact that you believe otherwise despite your constant outrageous behavior is proof that you were coddled and should have been bullied more.

>>15878978
My behavior wasn't outrageous. It was everybody elses.

>>15878979
That's your cope, sure. You believe that because you have self-aggrandizing delusions that you created to avoid improving your odious personality and low intelligence. In reality you're the retard.

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>>15878981
There was a very rapid switch in looks and behavior from the "autistic" towards "neurotypical" in those born after WW2 in the US, and later and more gradually elsewhere.

>>15878996
You're almost certainly exaggerating, but I wouldn't be surprised if the European upper classes were more autistic in some way.

>>15878974
lol

Autists have always, always been a target for bullying, it's like one of their defining features, it's almost a diagnostic criterion

>>15878974
Like, my nigga, you're estimated to be 1% of the population, how the fuck are you going ostracise and intimidate the other 99%

>>15879133
>>15879140
It didn't use to be like that. We used to be normal people, then almost everyone got brain damaged, and began calling the remaining normal people "autistic".

>>15879144
he's going to science the shit out of it

>>15878965
>Why are you obsessed with this?
If your brother was texting you 16 hours a day talking about how he hates being outside, that he's on the verge of a breakdown after every single bad interaction he has, which is 100% of them, you'd want to lock him up as well.

>>15879227
Why don't you just block him instead of being psychotic on the internet?

>>15879244
>Why don't you just block him instead of being psychotic on the internet?
he will kill himself if I block him.
That's what I'm trying to avoid.
Hopefully I can send him to an autistic country where people keep to themselves.

>>15879246
Does he threaten that, or do you just assume that?

>>15879247
>Does he threaten that, or do you just assume that?
In one of his several meltdowns in the last month he said he was going to jump from his apartment window because no one was taking his calls.
That's why he'l llive with our parents from noe on, he can't be alone.

>>15879260
So he's acting out for attention and you rewarded him for it. If you think he'll really do it them get him committed, otherwise call his bluff and tell him to only talk to you on your time.

>>15879260
This is why the definition is completely backwards, as autists have often the opposite problem than stated (that is they are lonely among people who are too closed off for them).
Tell him to travel to a more collectivist country, if he likes to travel.

>>15879291
>Tell him to travel to a more collectivist country, if he likes to travel
such as?

>>15879323
Too many to choose from, look it up let him pick.

>>15879343
thanks

Why are we pretending OP is not a schizo jew ?

>>15879291
>(that is they are lonely among people who are too closed off for them).
This is obvious to other autists, but normal people don't feel that they are too 'closed off' or judgemental, even if they totally come off that way to the autists, who often deeply desire intimacy. Autists often aren't interested in interacting with most people exactly because the typical person isn't interested in interacting in the open/non-judgemental way that the autist would desire them too, and the autist is bothered by this so much and gains so little satisfaction out of normie interactions they just prefer to keep to themselves for the most part. And normies interpret the autistic idea of being polite via not being too judgemental or trying to avoid engaging in drama as the autists being cold and disinterested in them as people.

>>15879170
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>15879262
This is the most sensible advice in my opinion but I got called an evil Jew for that earlier. Some people just want to be miserable. OP's brother is one of them. OP is another. They deserve each other.

another chimpout today
he always got ran over and started cursing the driver
hopefully my parents agree to lock him up otherwise I don't see myself reaching 2024.

>>15879887
Is your brother seeking these situations out or what?

>>15879887
why are you here anon? do you need us to validate what you are feeling? do you need someone else's blessing to tell you it's ok to hate you brother for having his struggles?

>>15858483
Similar boat: have you tried giving him respect?

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>>15862150
What is the explanation for alcohol and intelligence?

>>15878370
>insists on leaving his house
Is there a source of over stimulation in the house? Even in his cae I had expected he would chose the lesser of two evils.

>>15879082
>I wouldn't be surprised if the European upper classes were more autistic in some way.
They were severely inbred, not sure if they were autistic.

>>15879262
>otherwise call his bluff
I hope OP will not take this advice, his brother might follow through with his threat, and that will be even worse.

>>15879420
>Why are we pretending OP is not a schizo jew ?
I hear it is called compassion. Tried it?

>>15879899
I believe he is.
Today was not his fault tho, it's just the way he reacts to any minot inconvenient... it's just too much.
>>15879913
just need someone to tell him it's ok to lock him up and that he's never going to be ok.
>>15879922
We respect him.
Everyone else is extremely rude and violent towards him. He's sick of it.
It seems every little mistake is pointed out, there's someone who notices it and presses him over it.
When people make mistakes against him no one cares, no repercussions.

>>15879992
>Is there a source of over stimulation in the house?
No. He lives/lived alone.
When he spent time living with our parents it was the same.

>>15880020
>just need someone to tell him it's ok to lock him up and that he's never going to be ok.
anon doesn't have a perfect life. holy shit internet to the rescue

>>15880020
>Everyone else is extremely rude and violent towards him.
Yeah, so you keep saying, but you know what they say: if you meet one asshole, that's guy was an asshole. If you only meet assholes, consider you might be the asshole. You seem to be filtering this entirely through his lens, but remember he is clueless about social situations. He's probably transgressing social norms in ways he is unaware of (and thus can't really inform you of) whilst being hypersensitive to things neurotypicals don't even notice. But one thing isn't happening: the world isn't conspiring to be extra mean to your brother for no reason and treat him with double standards. His way of interacting with the world is what's causing him problems.

>>15880030
but it never ends anon. there's no point where everything becomes ok, it goes on forever. there will always be some little shit that I am literally clueless about (because I lack the supporting hardware) which will slight someone who has some kind of power over me.
for example, it seems like normies are able to project shit that is not real, on various people. say they can make their boss feel smart/empowered whatever the fuck. I don't only miss that I have to do that, I literally can't even if I exercise it. sadly, if my boss is a brainlet, he will know that I know that he is a brainlet, and there's literally nothing possible that I can do, I'm crippled that way. and this shit only needs to happen fucking once for everything that I built to go to shit, so it's not worth pursuing, conforming to it, I'll just build like a retard for something that I'm blind to fuck it all up, it ain't worth the risk.

>>15879882
>Some people just want to be miserable. OP's brother is one of them. OP is another. They deserve each other.
For sure. OP has NPD or Borderline.

>>15880047
Oh I see now. You're the brother. This is about you.

>>15880047
What are your experiences?

>>15880127
not OP, just some random sperg

>>15860981
I'm surprised he isn't diagnosed with PTSD or am I missing something among the replies

>>15880574
He definitely has PTSD. Can I treat this at least?

>>15880580
Well, I personally have no experience with PTSD patients or ever look up for the statistics for successful treatment for PTSD but certainly the treatment for mental health issues are continuously studied and evaluated.

What I understand is that the treatment for PTSD required the patient to open up about the thing that traumatized them, and the psychiatrist would suggest the right response to it, they'll guide you on how to think about it, what type of additional therapy would work (if applicable and if you are open to their suggestions).

Of course again this depends on the hospitals and the expertise of the psychiatrist.

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>>15880580
NTA but I'm autistic and recovering from PTSD. I have the "watching people die and I might plausibly be next" kind of PTSD but I also have the nit-picky shit that you seem to be describing with your brother.

Suggested reading (pic related): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-traumatic_embitterment_disorder
>>15880047
>there's no point where everything becomes ok
True, but there comes a point when enough is okay that you can bear the things that aren't.

>>15880667
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-traumatic_embitterment_disorder
Yeah, most of it fits him
>Post-traumatic embitterment disorder (PTED) is defined as a pathological reaction to a negative life event, which those affected experienced as a grave insult, humiliation, betrayal, or injustice. Prevalent emotions of PTED are embitterment, anger, fury, and hatred, especially against the triggering stressor, often accompanied by fantasies of revenge. The disorder commences immediately and without time delay at the moment of the triggering event. If left untreated, the prognosis of PTED presents as rather unfavorable, with those who have the disorder trapped in a vicious circle of strong negative emotions constantly intensifying one another and eventually leading into a self-destructive downward spiral.
Except
>People affected by PTED are more likely to put fantasies of revenge into action, making them a serious threat to the stressor.
He would have done it already.

>>15881267
>He would have done it already.
Bear in mind that the average person dealing with PTED is embittered over a single incident. Your brother is embittered over hundreds or thousands of incidents. He probably doesn't have a single target to seek vengeance against. Remember the story about the jackass that died of thirst standing between two streams because it couldn't decide which to drink from? Your possibly-thirsty brother is surrounded by water on all sides.

>>15881377
It seems like the only solution is to erase his memory and rewire his brain
Simple as that.
It's over.

>>15881425
No, I already gave you the solution, you just can't be bothered. Either you're larping or you are a shit brother and should neck yourself.

>>15881432
>I already gave you the solution, you just can't be bothered
What's the solution?

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>>15881495
It's basically just coaching on how to cope with no-win scenarios. It actually works similarly to the social stories that they use nowadays for coaching autistic kids, but for adults with adult-sized problems.

I don't believe that you are patient enough to this for him yourself. And you aren't going to find a mental health practitioner who is trained in this, because it is still speculative, it hasn't been codified in psychiatric doctrine. But if you read every article (scientific literature, not self-help blogs) you can find about PTED and wisdom therapy, then print them all out and bring them with you, then you might find a counselor who's willing to give it to a shot.

>>15860981
He is a steaming faggot.
First, you have to shrink his experience.
>you are mad you are ugly and nobody likes you
then you have to marginalize him
>like all other ugly incels
then you off him hope
>do you really want to be this way forever
then take it away
>doesnt matter change is impossible for manlets

It is entirely your fault for coddling his feminine traits because pedowood told you to. You pathetic soimax cuck. Go back to plebbit for the updoots. I doubt even those cum guzzlers would take you.

>>15881532
My brother is attractive, I'm the ugly one.
Massive jaw and forward growth.
I'm extremely recessed.
He's taller than me as well.

Just built different

What about lobotomy?
ECT?

>>15882382
What about you call adult protective services, tell them someone needs to come take care of your brother because you're going to neck yourself.

>>15858483
>he cries like a baby, even when he remembers things that happened over 20 years ago
He's literally me

An autist is just someone who was molested by his kindergarten teacher, who covered it up by using his resulting aversion to being touched to suggest he has the 'tism, thus condemning him to a life of learned helplessness and abusive psychiatry. You know that women are capable of this.

>>15882540
You can't molest the willing, and Miss Scully had it going on.

>>15882540
I'll never forget my french teacher, she punched my head with her fist, and she had a huge ring. hurt like a bitch. would fuck 10/10

>>15880127
>Oh I see now. You're the brother.
You might want to read the entire thread before you offer your mistaken advice.

>>15858483
Creatine supplementation

>>15881532
Truly exceptional post. Wouldn't expect the likes of that one on /sci/ of all places.

>>15884318
Why would it help?