Starliner - editionprevious >>15460073
fuck urf
First for WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS PART
If it weren't for SpaceX, US spaceflight would be truly grim
>>15463506Is this the Boeing piece of shit that still doesn't work?
>>15463506>expanding battery deforms your internal structure>RCS shits itself in humid conditionswhat else?
3D model already made
https://spacenews.com/nasa-safety-panel-skeptical-of-starliner-readiness-for-crewed-flight/> Speaking at a May 25 public meeting of the Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel, Patricia Sanders, chair of the committee, expressed skepticism that NASA and Boeing will be able to close known issues with Starliner in time for a launch currently scheduled for as soon as July 21.> “It is imperative that NASA not succumb to pressure, even unconsciously, to get CFT launched without adequately addressing all the remaining impediments to certification,” she said, adding that any decision to accept risk for the short-duration CFT flight should not justify accepting it for later operational flights lasting up to six months.> “Given the number of remaining challenges to certification of Starliner, we strongly encourage NASA to step back and take a measured look at the remaining body of work with respect to flying CFT,” she concluded, arguing that the agency should bring in an independent team, such as from the NASA Engineering and Safety Center, “to take a deep look at the items on the path to closure.”
>>15463513run on the finest indian code money can buy
>>15463513no its shit >>15463516
>>15463513Yes
>>15463517it also has hardware problemsall in all just a piece of shit
>>15463514>indian code sabotages your demo by wasting all the monoprop.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/05/a-new-report-finds-nasa-has-spent-an-obscene-amount-of-money-on-sls-propulsion/> The 50-page report analyzed contracts that NASA has given to Aerojet Rocketdyne, for RS-25 main engines, and to Northrop Grumman, for solid-rocket boosters. The engines and boosters power the first stage of the Space Launch System rocket, which made a successful debut flight in November 2022. The rocket will launch astronauts for the Artemis missions to the Moon.> The report found that efforts to refurbish RS-25 engines, manufacture new ones, and produce solid rocket boosters for the initial Artemis missions have resulted in about $6 billion in cost increases and more than six years in schedule delays compared to NASA's original projections.>To put this into perspective, Martin is talking about the cost increases, not the total cost of the engines and boosters. This means that overruns for the propulsion system of the SLS rocket alone are costing the space agency about as much as it will spend on developing two reusable lunar landers—SpaceX's Starship and Blue Origin's Blue Moon.> There are other head-scratching issues raised by the report. For example, the current cost of manufacturing a new RS-25 main engine—which will be used for the Artemis V mission and onward—is about $100 million. NASA and Aerojet are trying to achieve a 30 percent cost savings by the end of this decade, bringing the cost down to $70.5 million.>Compared to the private sector, even getting the cost of an RS-25 engine down to $70.5 million is a preposterously high price. Blue Origin manufactures engines of comparable power and size, the BE-4, for less than $20 million. And SpaceX is seeking to push the similarly powerful Raptor rocket engine costs even lower, to less than $1 million per engine.
gost overruns
https://spacenews.com/orbit-fab-selects-impulse-spaces-orbital-vehicle-for-in-space-refueling-demo/> A startup planning to offer in-orbit refueling services, Orbit Fab will seek to refuel the U.S. Space Force Tetra-5 spacecraft with up to 50 kilograms of hydrazine. The demonstration, planned for 2025, was funded by the Space Force and the Defense Innovation Unit. > The Space Force last year awarded Orion Space Solutions a $50 million contract for the Tetra-5 experiment. Three satellites will be stationed in geostationary orbit (GEO) where Impulse Space’s Mira orbital service vehicle will serve as a hosting platform for Orbit Fab’s fuel depot.> The Tetra-5 satellites and the fuel depot will use Orbit Fab’s refueling port known as RAFTI, or Rapidly Attachable Fuel Transfer Interface. Impulse Space will provide hosting services such as power, communications, attitude control and propulsion for the fuel depot.>The collaboration with the startup Impulse Space “brings us one step closer to a robust in-space economy supported by a network of fuel depots and fuel shuttles in geosynchronous orbit,” said Adam Harris, Orbit Fab’s chief commercial officer. fuel depots start popping up everywhere nowhow much did Shelby hold back space all in all? its insane
I wonder whether aerojew is actually raking in the dough, didn't they run into financial troubles when ULA didn't pay for an AR engine for vulcan?
>>15463536How practical would it be to export methane from Mars to fuel depots in Earth orbit? Once a major settlement is operational I mean.You'd be making tons of the stuff and there would be no urgency about delivery so long as its reliable.
>>15463542I mean the dV costs are smaller I guess, but the transport time is what, like 6 months (or much longer if you want to make it cheaper from dV) instead of a few hours with Starship fast cadence.You also have to look at how easy natural gas is to get from earth, if methane engines can use lightly purified natural gas then that is again one thing making it more costly relatively on mars, where you have to do it through the use of massive solar farms and the sabatier process. Perhaps if there is an industrial base on Mars already producing solar panels etc, so you don't have to send much mass from the earth to Mars to start doing that, but you still have sabatier vs natural gas from earth.I don't think its impossible, seems very unlikely though.Assuming the pic is accuratedV from Earth -> Earth LEO: 9.4dV from Mars -> Earth LEO: 10.2, don't know how low it will get with aerocapturebut looking at a few maps like this, it seems to be that Mars -> Earth LEO is higher dV in all of them, the exact number varies a bitbut seems like simply using rockets its not going to make sense
Reminder: if Starship "fails" they can always do a smaller one on top of F9
>>15463571what sort of payload could a sh/mini ss put in leo?
>>15463580>shfh*
>>15463571not really seeing it>>15463580I'd guess ~10tbut not sure how you'd land the thing, considering the F9 booster is almost too light for a single Merlin, let alone Raptormaybe with a handful of Kestrels from Falcon 1 (reworked to throttle and relight)but if you're doing all that design work, you might as well throw it to fixing "failed" Starship instead
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3221831/china-supersizing-its-rocket-industry-and-its-coming-starlinklong article by South China Morning Post> The South China Morning Post (SCMP), with its Sunday edition, the Sunday Morning Post, is a Hong Kong-based English-language newspaper owned by Alibaba Group.[2][3] Founded in 1903 by Tse Tsan-tai and Alfred Cunningham, it has remained Hong Kong's newspaper of record since British colonial rule.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post> The country is constructing an unprecedented rocket assembly plant capable of producing 50 Long March 8 rockets a year, according to scientists involved in the project.> Once completed next year, the mega factory on the tropical island Hainan will nearly double China’s annual launch capacity – already one of the world’s largest.> The Long March 8 is a low-cost, non-reusable rocket that can house more than 20 Starlink-sized communication satellites. China intends to use the medium-sized launch vehicle, which has seen two successful test launches, to send more than 1,000 satellites into space every year, comparable to the current pace of SpaceX.> But the new rocket is also designed to put satellites in a higher orbit than the Starlink satellites. The more advantageous altitude would allow Chinese satellites to monitor or even suppress their American rivals.> The race to “build a giant satellite constellation is driving China’s space industry into a new age”, said Song Zhengyu, a senior rocket scientist with the China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology (CALT), who is leading the Long March 8 team, in a paper published in the Chinese Journal of Astronautics last month.
>>15463686> SpaceX has developed an automated system called the “Falcon 9 Integrated Assembly Line” that uses synchronised pulses to move rocket components through the assembly process quickly and efficiently. The method allows SpaceX to produce more rockets at a lower cost than traditional methods.> It costs about US$3,000 to put 1kg (2.2 pounds) of cargo into low-Earth orbit (LEO) using the existing Long March rockets, similar to that of SpaceX’s reusable Falcon 9 rockets, according to a recent report by researchers at the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation, the nation’s largest rocket manufacturer.> By using the latest digital design and simulation tools, “the development cycle was shortened by 12 months, and a large amount of test funds were saved”, the team said in the paper.>Long’s team said that the Long March 8 rocket is optimised to send satellites to the sun-synchronous orbit (SSO) at an altitude of 700km (435 miles), higher than most Starlink satellites, which operate at about 550km.
>>15463686>just make the rockets cheap enough that throwing them away won't matterchina's trying to go the astra route, It might actually work for them though considering it's government funded.The cost will probably still be insane, starlink must really piss them off somehow.
>>15463692they talk about suppressing starlink with their own constellation somehow multiple times in the article
>>15463686>>15463692why would they want to shut down starlink? It's not like they're spy sats, and even if someone in china had a functioning starlink connection, the antenna would be pretty obvious.
>>15463706incase of war
Anyone know where I can read an article about the Neuralink approval that isn't just straight malding at Elon?
>>15463713haven't seen one yet
>>15463713https://www.reuters.com/science/elon-musks-neuralink-gets-us-fda-approval-human-clinical-study-brain-implants-2023-05-25/this one seems semi-objective
So the fire nation presumably reaches orbit first right?
why has no one other than spacex done reusable rockets? (new shepard doesn't count) Is it really that hard?
>>15463806Everyone else has business models where it makes more sense to throw everything away.
>750 kilowatts of continuous energy, for two years, to produce 1,000 tons of liquid oxygen and methane.Muskrats Mars fantasies btfo
>>15463806because the business case doesnt close for reusable rockets
>>15463806yes
>>15463806dejavu or have I actually seen this exact post before?
>>15463807>>15463812>make money from launch contracts>building an engine and rocket body for each launch is expensive>reuse? nope no business casepure retardation
new berger rocket reporthttps://arstechnica.com/space/2023/05/rocket-report-ula-calls-off-vulcan-test-firing-virgin-galactic-soars-again/
>>15463824ULA suggested only reusing the engines, which is logical since they're not made in-house. They make tanks and sell launches after all. If tanks are thrown away, that's just more work guaranteed.
>>15463827>I would like to congratulate Virgin Galactic on its successful return to space on Thursday morning81km
>>15463828Also the Amazon order supposedly accelerated there reuse plans.
>>15463510The interstage?
>>15463827https://brycetech.com/download.php?f=Bryce_Launch_Sites_2023.pdfpic is a bit too big to post directly with good resolution
>>15463868okay maybe not
>>15463827Small rockets>Virgin Galactic takes to the skies again.> Virgin Orbit's assets are sold off> South Korean rocket flies again.> Rockets may soon fly from the Gulf of Mexico. > A spaceport map of the world.Medium Rockets> SpaceX launches tenth crew mission.> Europe has a rocket problem> Canadian spaceport says manifest is growingHeavy Rockets> NASA supporting depots, distributed launch. > Vulcan test firing delayed. > FAA, other agencies testing methane safety.> Second Mobile Launcher finally making progress.
https://ispace-inc.com/news-en/?p=4691>The analysis reveals that the lander fully completed the entire planned deceleration process, slowing to the target speed of less than 1 m/s in a vertical position at an altitude of approximately 5 kms above the lunar surface.HOW
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/holistic-approach-launchers-exploration-europe-josef-aschbacher/> b. Develop the main elements in terms of critical technology, procurement policy and programme roadmap for the next launcher and exploration flagships, with a strong focus on reusability, cost-efficiency, innovation, and sustainability. seems like a lot of talk, nothing in here really that makes it seem like they are actuall going to start building a reusable heavy lift rocketreusability is sprinkled in on a litany of random buzzwords
>>15463713Read the one that's directly from Twitter neuralink account. Neuralink announced it on Twitter >>15463740Useless.
>>15463884kek
>>15463884Happens to the best of us. The other day I came to a stop at a red light only to realize I was still on the highway and my exit wasn’t for another mile.
>>15463905What was the red light
>>15463895>a scientific, technical and industrial capability for which we Europeans can be very proud.Just from the first sentence you can tell it's nothing but the purest of copium.
>>15463956The brake lights on the car in front of him going through his head as he slammed into it.>>15463884>came to a stop 5km above the surfaceIsn't landing on the moon a solved problem? How could they fuck it up this badly?
>>15463981>How could they fuck it up this badly?it's not that easy in rocketry
>>15463981>How could they fuck it up this badly?Oh, they forgot cliffs were a thing. So which one of those old guys from the launch stream committed sudoku then?
>>15463884Um... I was expecting maybe 5m, but 5km?Did they even test their altitude radar thingy?
Does anyone hate waiting for space related shit?I hate waiting for OFT-2I hate waiting for Artemis III hate waiting for Lunar Gateway to deployI hate waiting for Haven-1 to be constructedI hate waiting for New Glenn, Neutron, Terran R and Starship to be in serviceI hate waiting for Artemis III if it even happens this decadeI hate waiting for Axiom's modules to be added to the space stationI hate waiting to see who gets rewards for the commercial LEO space station contractsI hate waiting for Kuiper to be deployedI hate waiting for NASA to make up their mind on how we are getting to marsI hate waiting for the DRACO missionI hate waiting!
>>15464004The sensor worked fine but the software got confused after it flew over a cliff.
>>15464007At least the time tables are all realistically within ~10 years. That might seem like a long time, but in the early 2000s everything was “uhhhhhh maybe Mars in 40 years we are going XD”
>>15463707>>15463706lol, noWhat the Chinese government is really afraid of is losing *internal* control. They don't want control over the lives of every person in China to depend on Elon (a "free speech absolutist"!) deciding to obey Chinese law.
>>15463550>400+ year deceptionLmao no, there's maps showing curvature indicative of a rounded earth from over 500 years. Take a class on surveying, even ancient surveying. You'll find it's literally impossible to construct a map without roundedness, hence why the flat earth using an equidistant projection instead of a flat grid, as that at least keeps the northern hemisphere resembling the measurements of reality. Except not quite.
>>15464007The chase will always be a source of anxiety and excitement. Think falcon heavy launch, crew dragon from launch, starship launches, super heavy launch, etcOnce you get past that, you'll chase the next one. It's forever a chase because new and exciting things are there.
>>15463830I walked up a fairly tall hill this morning. Where do I get my astronaut wings?
>>15463691>china saysminimum 6k per 1 kilo of not more. They just looked at how cheap falcons are and claim a similar number to save face
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQl9f1FvgB4
chode roggid
>>15464007Another Vast enjoyer I see
>>15464034terrible, I really shouldn't have expected more. Someone told me once that the weakness of the western elite and academics is an utter disdain for the study of what is actually going on in their industries and how they're run, 'how the sausage gets made' so to say, they only ever focus on the other 'more cerebral' stuff. This is the obvious result.
>>15463884They had multiple sensors, but one of them reported anomalous readings regarding steep cliff. In case of unexpected readings from sensors, the space had built in safety mechanisms to filter out those sensor data and assume they're wrong. So due to those unexpected readings from the sensors, it was ignored entirely and the craft continued to operate nominally. In other words, the system didn't know which sensors to trust and discarded the outlier as wrong. Obviously, the outlier was the right one.
>>15464069did you watch all of it? I just skimmed through and seemed like a bunch of talking heads saying the most basic and obvious things, but reading the youtube comments it seemed like it was at least somewhat positive about space colonization
>>15464085I'll have another go at it. I got triggered by NERVA and all the NASA hopium.
>>15464095I will NOT live in the pod you disgusting E*rther
>>15464095
>>15464098You will live in the podYou will have spin gravityAnd you will be dead from cosmic-ray induced cancer in under fifteen years.
>>15464095SUS
Is there any effort to document the fact that EGH, CSS and thunderchud are motivated by bitterness and greed instead of genuine concern for the environment?
>>15464109Thats just 7 Sea Dragons put together
Rustsuckers WILL live in the airbed
https://twitter.com/RockettLord/status/1662058830753148928
https://spacenews.com/spacex-investment-in-starship-approaches-5-billion/> WASHINGTON — SpaceX will have spent $5 billion or more on its Starship vehicle and launch infrastructure by the end of this year, according to court filings and comments by the company’s chief executive.> SpaceX filed a motion with federal district court in the District of Columbia May 19, asking to be added as a defendant in the lawsuit filed by several environmental and Native American groups against the Federal Aviation Administration May 1. That suit alleges the FAA improperly carried out an environmental review of SpaceX Starship launches from Boca Chica, Texas.> To make that argument, the company included a statement from Bret Johnsen, chief financial officer at SpaceX. He said that, if the plaintiffs win, the company’s ability to generate revenue from Starship launches for both NASA and commercial customers “would be substantially delayed and jeopardized.”> He specifically noted that since a 2014 “record of decision” by the FAA, allowing SpaceX to develop launch facilities at Boca Chica (originally for the Falcon family of launch vehicles), “SpaceX has invested more than $3 billion into developing the Boca Chica launch facility and Starship/Super Heavy launch system.”> “It’ll probably be a couple billion dollars this year, two billion dollars-ish, all in on Starship,” he said, adding that he did not expect to have to raise funding to finance that work. He also said in that conversation that he expected Starship to launch four to five more times this year and “would be surprised” if the company didn’t achieve orbit by the end of the year.> The SpaceX motion to intervene is one of the few updates since the suit was filed. The court set a July 1 deadline for a “responsive pleading” from the FAA.
>>15463506110 days until freedom, have these four Hungarian stamps in the mean time
>>15464135> “It’ll probably be a couple billion dollars this year, two billion dollars-ish, all in on Starship,” he said, adding that he did not expect to have to raise funding to finance that work. He also said in that conversation that he expected Starship to launch four to five more times this year and “would be surprised” if the company didn’t achieve orbit by the end of the year.we're so back
>>15464128Wtf are rustsuckers?
TROPICS is finally launched.
>>15464143this was from the post-launch twitter spaces a while back, like a few weeks ago
>>15464128cool.
>>15464135>WAHHHH WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY LET US KILL EVERYTHING FOR OUR BOTTOM LINE*yawn*
>>15464148newfags out
>>15464163holy tranny seethe.
>>15464163YWNBAW
This is what Boeing considers mission prep. Oldspace is just pathetic, they have to suck as much money out of NASA as possible then spend all their time bumming around playing in VR.
>>15464181VR is useful, but shouldn't be used at this stage in the game.
>>15464130>by the time it accomplishes what SLS has accomplishedWhich is what? Burning hundreds of billions of dollars and being years late, with less than one launch per year? (without the FAA sitting on it)
Elon responded with a heart to this tweet. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1661927848142319617?cxt=HHwWgsDR7dKkrZAuAAAAGothic inspired Mars colony when?
>>15464221Never, keep your shit architecture on Urf
>>15464221All those buildings are still there in Chicago and there's a well developed system of underground tunnels. We also have colder temperatures than parts of Mars when a polar vortex hits. I hope Elon does take inspiration from Chicago for Mars colony design.
>>15464007>haven>has niggerDoesn't sound like a haven to me
>>15464228>>15464232Go back to /pol/.
>>15464246>hasnt even chose crew yetNiggerish behavior from you
give it to me straight, how will the American bankruptcy affect SpaceX?
>>15464262OCP (X corp) will take over as predicted in RoboCop 2. And cops will all drive matte gray Tauruses like as god intended
>>15463686A reminder that SCMP is literally Chinese state propaganda.
>>15464283yes, that is why I mentioned it specifically
>>15463811good things mars has a fuckton of room for Solar panels
>>15464221Elon is a perpetrator of the soulless clean minimalism
>>15464300Good. Any design from Urf should not be used for a colony on Mars
I am a fan of SpaceX, but holy shit - why is there fans that track how many pilons are dug beneath the OLM, or monitoring every little item being moved a meter. Reminding me of when the Environmental review was under way and a bunch of YouTubers told everyone to go voice their support for SpaceX in the commentary like a bunch of headless retards causing a huge delay as every comment has to be read
>>15464314Fuck off stupid environigger. DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE
>>15464314Because they ALLOW them to and people are INTERESTED IN SEEING IT. SUPPLY & DEMAND. If you DONT want to see that progress when visiting Spaceflight General, then you are clearly a tourist who needs to fuck back off to r*ddit
>>15464314ywnbaw
>>15464314i WILL voice my concerns and i WILL NOT live in your pod with fried bugs.
>>15464314need that pic of the different paths an autist must travel.tl;dr its like plane or train spotting but uniquely in the history of space a rogget and its related infrastructure is being built out in the open for autistic people to look at (which is based)
>>15464314>why is there fans that track how many pilons are dugbecause simps give them dootbux to do thatnow go back
>>15464221>why yes we should return to gothic aesthetics>this is also my ideal car interior why do you ask
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JlUnOAiMm4
>>15464351Brutalism - The Car.
>>15464300>>15464351I know it may surprise you, but normies prefer this shitty aesthetic, they usually refuse to buy anything that even looks like it might be complicated or take a bit of thought/learning to use.
>>15464357>UNBELIEVABLEyou have a real job manlet.there is not reason to humiliate yourself for clicks from retards.
>>15464357>unbelievable ok, why?
>>15464221https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSWaKlDStN0where's the Gothic Elon?
>>15464357Kek. Space isn't hard and this would have been discovered by just doing simulation testing.
Space isnt hard, you heard it here first
>>15464374how to you get over redundant systems thinking the one correct reading is actually right without making the point of having the redundant systems, well redundant?
>>15464378That is not really what the problem is.They just were too stupid to realize and too lazy to test that a simple crater rim would trip their radar sanity check and invalidate the sensor.This was not about redundancy, it's just a result of being retarded and not testing properly.
>>15464378couldn't they have just used two rangefinders? the chances of both of them being wrong in exactly the same way would be small enough that they wouldn't really need to worry about this stuff.
>>15464387Or they could have put a map on the computer and cross checked the radar altitude with that.Overall shamefur dispray.
>>15464378The IMU nor their star trackers nor laser range finder (at those altitudes) have anything to say on surface altitude.It's not a case of redundant systems disagreeing.
>>15463506Where can I read about the future Mars space domes the Mars colonizers will live in?How large will they be? How much o2 and co2 will we need to ship there for humans and plants?
a human would have never thought it was next to the ground while 5km above it, it would have used the complicated technology of looking out of the window.
>>15464391when will they broadcast the seppuku? Hopefully they find some way to make it lunar themed
>>15464411in the same vein perseverance in 2023 moves at 0.1mph after taking days to figure out its next 5 meter move and thats still mostly human lead. meanwhile in the 1960s you had humans hooning around in a little buggy that was an afterthought and doing sick jumps.
>>15464407I don't believe in mars domes, I think subterranean (submartian?) environments are better, but here you go anyway.http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/colonysite.php#domecolonyhttps://marspedia.org/Dome
>>15464415Percy is actually fast as fuck when you compare it to every other rover that's ever been put on mars.and the first time we send humans they will cover the ground of all the rovers combined in under a week.
>>15464415basically fuck rooovers and prooobes
>>15464407>>15464418also:>importing CO2>to marsyou should perhaps lurk a bit more
>>15464007anon, Haven-1 was announced like a week ago, you seriously can't already be tired of waiting for it already
>>15464221funny coming from him. Falcon and Starship are some of the least gothic rocket designs, way too shiny and clean lines.I wonder what is the most gothic rocket, or most gothic launch pad? probably one of the old soviet designs like Soyuz.
https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1662101149095448578
>>15464433>Starship>shiny and clean linesTake your meds. Starship is literally the polar opposite of F9 and Dragon. They're not aesthetically comparable at all.
>>15464357You'd think when the spacecraft defaults into dead reckoning mode it would send a really obvious signal to mission control that it's doing that. Because that mode really sucks.
>>15464424I was thinking: the Mars air does have co2 but probably contains contaminations that the colonists wouldn't want to bring into their air supply. Co2 would be more effective to bring than o2 since you can use it to feed plants and then have the plants turn the co2 into o2. Any shipment to Mars will have air in it, you could just replace the atmospheric air mixture to just be co2 for more efficiency.
>>15464439You'd also think dead reckoning mode doesn't assume the moon to be a perfect sphere.Otherwise there is no justification for being this far off with a space grade IMU.
>>15464433Soyuz and N1 for sure
>>15464418I like subarean (from areology ie ares)I also think moon dwellers should be called looniesThere should also be a cave/settlement in arcadia planitia called lykaia, and they should also make funny satyr statues there.
>>15464443>i was thinking without being rude, your post is retarded.
>>15464435are you kidding? shiny stainless steel, just cylinders, nose, and fins. Different from Falcon, but still very clean.
>>15464449Can you explain the issue with the post?
>>15464453You just compress martian atmosphere to get CO2. Simple as that.
>>15464450have you seen it up close? it's all weld lines, rust, and miss matched panels. looks like something out of starwars.
>>15464433now that I think about it, the ogive arch is one of the hallmarks of gothic architecture, and that shape is commonly used for nosecones like the Ariane 5
>>15464453
>>15464443very dumb, very very dumb.anon, spacecraft don't have massive scuba tank full of air on them. Also humans produce CO2 by breathing. Read more and probably get your head checked out.
>>15464453there will be no co2 contaminants the ~1 (with a safety factor so maybe 2) atm of pressurised co2 in a ss cargo bay wouldn't even touch the sides in a greenhouse producing usable amounts of food or oxygen.
>>15464456>>15464461But I already explained the problem; you can't let in the Martian air because it contains contaminants. No organization would risk it and no colonists would take the chance. Especially in the early years of the project.
>>15464372People kinda forget about that when it is time to put down the extra money for your aesthetics instead of just retweeting the roman statue guys.
>>15464464what containments? if you mean the dust then filter it.
>>15464464You're a retard.
>>15464464anon, please tell me right now how you think the ISS gets it's air.
i feel we have fallen foul of an elaborate ruse
>>15464407>>15464443>>15464464I'm embarrassed to be associated with this. You win this one, spinbros.
>>15464472They stick a really long straw down into the earth atmosphere>Sluuurp
>>15464453the whole point of going to Mars instead of say, Moon is existence of atmosphere (very thin atmosphere, but still)from CO2 you can make oxygen and methane, from methane you can make plastics and everythingbringing CO2 to Mars would be like bringing rocks and saltwater to Earth>>15464464https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_separationhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Solid-gas_separation
E2E but there's an hour layover at a spaceport in LEO
>>15464443
>>15464490will there be a duty free?
>>15464443lol, lmao even
Is Starship Hyperloop?
>>15464434why is it so massive?
Hullo's summary of the Hakuto R autopsyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JlUnOAiMm4tl;dw: edge case in software made the lander ignore the radar altimeter>according to the team, what happened was during the approach towards the landing site the vehicle passed over a crater with steep sides, and all the time the radar altimeter is pinging this thing and it sees the altitude suddenly change by three kilometers as it passes over a steep cliff, and the software says "wait a second, the rate of change of the altitude shouldn't be this much; I think that this sensor is broken" and so like any well-programmed piece of software it began to ignore the spurious data - except that the data was actually correct.>the spacecraft thought the surface of the Moon was about five kilometers higher than it actually was, and so the control software did a perfect job of setting this thing down at its altitude where it thought the lunar surface was and then it just sat there balanced on its rocket motor slowly descending waiting for the moon surface to come up and greet it, and before long it ran out of propellant - at that point it actually ran out of propellant asymmetrically and it began to spin, by the looks of things; but yeah it basically fell those five kilometers to the surface
>>15464502idk what hyperloop was but loads of vc money went into it but none of musks. possibly an elaborate troll after he watched that commie nutter on zeitgeist talking about subsea vacuum trains doing 3000mph if only we bought his artwork or something just to see how cult like the 10s zirp tech sectorhad become.
>>15464507I was wondering about the craters being so noticable, but it does make sense when it's such a great fall with the speed they had (well.. I say fall but it's ma where the a is moon a)
>>15464522They're just kicked up dust.Not really craters.
just build a lunar lander that can survive 50m/s impacts with the lunar surface. problem solved.
>>15464130https://twitter.com/ThePrimalDino/status/1662140358824804358What is the cost of SLS up to now? Just SLS mind you, not the Orion capsule, as you could say that isn't really part of the cost of SLS itself. (just to be generous)
>>15464529>bounces back into orbit
>>15464529>>15464539The first lunar landers from the soviets were like that.
>>15464538well the cost overruns for the engines and boosters alone are now 6bn. not the total cost, just what nasa needs to throw at it on top to get it going.
https://twitter.com/NASAArtemis/status/1662163736423956490
>>15464538as a hypothetical, assuming both rockets somehow ended up costing the samewhich one is more capable?
As an atheist,
>>15464538~$23 billion spent as of 2022
>>15464565fixed price contract again? pretty cool
>>15464538~45 billion so far as of today
>>15464565$18bn, available for testing in a parking lot in 2034
>>15464565>>15464577It will be a billion dollar contract for an electric car because we've never built a car and they need all the R/D money to build a car
how much did this pos prototype from 10 years ago cost?
>>15464582tesla bidding for it would be pretty funny
>>15464478A toast to the gracious loser. You may be a wellfag but you're a White wellfag
>>15464538Breathtaking delusion
>>15464611even if it does who cares. it's elon's money. not my taxes
>>15464314>mfw anon cant into texas tankwatchin
>>15464591More likely will be SpaceX using Tesla technology.
>>15464391As a certain beaver would say, "These guys are idiots" and it's so, so true
>>15464351I hate teslas so much its unreal
>>15464434GALAXY SPACELAND SPACENEBULA XSTAR XMARIO GALAXY
>>15464314>Reminding me of when the Environmental review was under way and a bunch of YouTubers told everyone to go voice their support for SpaceX in the commentary like a bunch of headless retards causing a huge delay as every comment has to be readIf they hadn't, the public hearings would have just been a bunch of schizo environmentalists, NIMBY boomers, and Sierra Club shills.
>>15464481Explain why this wouldnt work
>>15464656don't forget CSS
>>15464567Starship is the most capable and it is not even close. Also, they won't cost the same. The SLS has been hugely expensive and each future launch is gonna cost at least 4.2billion dollars (last time I checked.) This argumentation is just a big cope party.
>>15464538SLS is re-used Shuttle components...so when do we start counting from? 1970?
>>15464660Obviously AI generated
>>15464221gothics okay, but for me it's brutalism. peak architecture
>>15464690Bro, not even Ai would be able to come up with such cope. This must be some weird anti-spaceX shit cause Muskrat bad.I blame normies.
>>15464163Earthers such as yourself should be used as ablative shielding for the OLM, even if it doesn't need shielding
>>15464163Kill all the EARTHERS
>>15464326you will eat bug and you will like it.
>>15464314>I am a fan of SpaceX, butdidn't readhold still while I gas you :^)
>>15464351I like this aesthetic. I like how there's a shutter above the space between the seats. Minimalism is good.
>>15464357if that bug didn't kill the lander something else would've. We'll never know. Also reminder that ESA code forgot to turn on the second antenna on the Huygens lander on Titan.
>>15464696The image he posted you fucking nitwit
>>15464507Barnard moggs the Japanese space agency https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH3lR2GLgT0
>>15464464please tell me you're actually 5 years oldotherwise you should think long and hard about your life and how you got here
reminder that SRB exhausts suck
appreciate the diamonds
>>15464737I can't tell the difference.
>>15464443lol you are very stupid>>15464464just filter the dust, liquefy the CO2 to remove the nitrogen, argon and oxygen (pass them on for further processing, they're valuable), and then use it in your sabatier process or directly
Russian Soyuz just launched a radar spysat
does someone here know why rocket engines use converging - diverging nozzles?
>>15464798> It is used to accelerate a compressible fluid to supersonic speeds in the axial (thrust) direction, by converting the thermal energy of the flow into kinetic energy.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Laval_nozzle
>>15464770That one is pretty good, but with AI art theres subtle differences. Rockets are usually drawn very symetrical or straight, and the AI one there wasnt if you look close. Also, the storms on Jupiter definetly dont look like the one in the image, its a bunch of small white hurricanes dotted all over the surface and a few large ones instead of mostly bands and a red large one
>>15464181It would be interesting to see if they can combine it with other training, like that deep pool NASA has, or even with their zero-gravity plane.
>>15464802That's the converging part.The diverging part then converts pressure energy into more kinetic energy.
>>15464656And at the end of the day, the long pole was SpaceX, not the FAA, so it didn't matter at all.
>>15464810If you mean>>15464660that isnt AI, its by Peter Elson
>>15464478Spinchads will need well workers to extract raw materials from roggs. That guy has a promising future inside the biorecycler.
>>15464815Diverging section: After passing through the converging section, the exhaust gases enter the diverging section of the nozzle. This section gradually increases the flow area, allowing the expanding gases to continue to accelerate while the pressure decreases. The diverging shape of the nozzle helps to maintain the supersonic flow of gases and maximize the thrust.
Any old astronauts from the Original 55 die lately? Last I checked two years ago there were like 19/55 still alive. I think some anon mentioned Garriott had died recently last I checked.
>>15464826I love old space paintings.
>>15463981>Isn't landing on the moon a solved problem?taking off is the easy part. Landing is the tough one even on urf, much more on the moon via remote semi autonomous bots on unprepped landing sites
>>15464826Then AI draws as good as he does because I've seen better from MidJourney
>>15464831>>15464802so the diverging and convergning section do the same things
>>15464472they bring it up with the visiting supply capsules of course
why isnt africa taking part in the new space race?
>>15464871The whole continent is going with the gradatim ferociter motto.
>>15464871ahem
>>15464871They sort of are given how much lithium and cobalt are needed for solar panels and batteries.
>>15464874Are those fucking oil drums?
>>15464871https://youtu.be/0h_cqTCT5g0?t=43they're still working working on airplanes. Gotta learn to walk before you can run.
>>15464874Literal 40k Ork shit KEK
>>15464879it's really that easy in rocketry
>>15464879funny how you are making fun of them for using oil drums as fuel tanks when Musk asked one of his employees to go to the highway to look for tank trucks that can be modified to become rockets.
>>15464874now this is more like it. First continent to adopt first gen combat power armor and now homebrew barrel rocketry for their nuclear program. colonizers of all colors will never know what hit em
>>15464883ork shit would contain actual dakka
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/26/jeff-bezos-money-lauren-sanchez-europe>What does Jeff Bezos’s new fiancee see in the world’s third-richest man? Must be his enormous philanthropy
>>15464893>>15464883Ork tech would actually fly to space though because you are too dumb to understand how it works.
Still waiting
Where's our flight recap?
funny I had an idea where SpaceX would make a merch lighter and the butane would be stored in a mini COPV
>>15464936SpaceX is so weird with their footage. All in all they only like released 60 seconds of video. Where's the imax footage Elon?
>>15464928cant wait until they sell a stainless steel non flap one so i can shove it up my arse
>>15464879hey if you can make a pontoon boat outta them and finally sail to Madagascar..
>>15464871I just had a genius idea>Musk launches a program for "African inventors" >cozies up to African governments by pointing out that he is in fact the most successful person born in Africa ever>cozies up to liberals/gommies by letting African space programs use Falcon 9s for minimal or no fee>build spaceport in Africa>right next to the equator, no FAA ever
>>15464951He might as well just buy out the country at that point. Kenya is right on the equator, has a coast and is pretty peaceful. He could build a spaceport right there and just pay out the government for land and full control of what he launches. All he really has to do is build a gated community for workers so that they dont get robbed when going outside and build some stores and bingo.
>>15464961He could even call it Obamaport to troll people.
>>15464841Ha ha, they thought the future would be awesome.
>>15464458This is waht we need.Industrialized production. Spaceships need to be like trains and airplanes.What is the use of a rocket that costs 2 billion dollaridoos and launches every two years?SLS is literally worse than Saturn I, it's pretty much a welfare progream in dusguise with some bigass companies leeching most of the money off befopre it reaches the people whose jobs are kept afloat.
>>15464611He purposefully argues in bad faith. He acknowledged as such with his defense of SLS. Not deluded, just an all around dumb fuck.
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1662251874936934400NEW STARSHIP LAUNCH VIDEO
>>15465060sweet, I was just rewatching the livestream
>>15464644>>15464591>>15464582>>15464565Part of me strongly suspects that part of the reasons behind the actual delay of the cybertruck is because the coexistence of SpaceX/Tesla technology agreements, means that NASA may have gotten a glimpse of some of the design ideas behind that truck and were like "yo, this is basically a lunar rover."And so Tesla's design path has been altered a little bit so that the product transition into being able to put that truck on moon or mars being a simple switch led to such "delays".
>>15465060
>>15465067[x] doubtcybertruck delays due to covid restrictions causing supply chain havoc and forcing Tesla to restructure/delay their products by few years
>>15465060>mission control shaking>onboard views of the spinholy kino
>>15465060Based as fuck.
>>15465060was honestly expecting krystal
>>15465060kino
>starship>delayed indefinitely>steeltruck>delayed indefinitely>mars landing>not in your life time
>>15465118There's a chance steelshiptruck will launch at the same time
>>15465060WICKED
>>15465060https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_krgcofiM6Mnow uploaded on youtube
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1662263704262680577>Major launchpad upgrades should be complete in about a month, then another month of rocket testing on pad, then flight 2 of Starshipstill two months
>>15465161if Elon says 2 months I'll give it 6 months
>>15465161next starship will launch mid august you heard it here first
So 3 months total from 4/20. Musk did say 2-3 months during that twitter space talk.His timeline is still on point.
>>15465150>"...another engine..."kek
https://twitter.com/DesMoinesPhoto/status/1662264597955452928
>>15465177kek
full braaap kino
>>15465177This isn't an accident. Dave Chapelle and Elon go long way back lmao.
>>15464871An African American is responsible for all of it
>>15465118that's a lot of tranny seethe
>>15465191He is half Canadian
>>15465185>>15465090what is this?
>>15464834I just saw an audience with Rusty Schweickart talking about anything and everything from this year. At 87 he sounds brilliant. Anyone should go find videos of him because he's a very cool man.
>>15465177>2 more monthsgod fucking damn it, brosI hate inflation so much it's unreal
>>15465201RCS thruster like on Sea Dragon
>>15465090>posting cgi shit instead of the real videokill yourself
>>15465210kek, I was thinking the same thing
>>15465201Lurk more
>>15464834>>15465207And Jim McDivitt died
>>15465207link it
>>15464478I'm a spinfag but I still have a soft for the classic domesbut literal domes are retarded. You should build your walls out of something srotnger and leave the glass for just the roof. Or better yet use existing geology for your walls like craters or ideally valleys.Covering the entirity of mars behind a glass sphere would still be less effort than t*rraforming desu
>>15465232>glassalready an insanely stupid idea with not a single benefit over pic related
>>15465230From 2023 https://youtu.be/LhZWTULasco?t=1051https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcPN731l_hw16:40 talks about saving Skylab from being a paperweight
>>15465201Booster lifting hard point for the chopsticks.
>>15463512
>>15464468Well, perchlorates for starters. Also radiation.
>>15465271lurk moar
>>15465269>Baumgartner 39.0 km 2012>Eustace 41.4 km 2014I hate scumbag record breaking like that where they copy what someone just did but exceed them by a little bit.
>>15464464Suppose all you said is true>No organization would risk itSpaceX would>no colonists would take the chanceMuskrats/SpaceX astronauts would
So let me get this straight. The SpaceX plan for the new pad is to pump water through the plate into the rocket exhaust path? So what happens when all 33 rocket engines possibly overwhelm the system and steam feeds back into the fancy new pad?
with audio: >>>/wsg/5111202
>>15465295https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1659599720761950208
>>15465241Interesting at ~1:04:00 where he talks about working for governor Jerry Brown. How even back then NASA was slow and bloated and had to run PR bullshit by congress before they could do anything. How even stepping down to a state level streamlined everything. There is so much bloat there to cut it's a wonder only really spacex has been able to do it well.
>>15465299>>>/wsg/5111214
>>15465295Steam explosion
So now that S25 and B9 are confirmed, who else thinks a double digit booster launches this year?
>>15465332If they fly by the end of August and don't completely frag the launch site in the process, easy.
>>15464004They were just eyeballing it. It's tricky in a vacuum, hard to judge range.
>>15465269Oh cool, the Concorde can fly in Class E unrestricted airspace above FL600It's always been a dream of mine to call in my flight plan as "permission to ascend through Class A airspace to FL600" or whatever
>>15465271NiggerPerchlorates are a nothingburger, pass your inlet through an activated carbon filter at literally any point and you'll be fineRadiation isn't in Martian dust particles, it's all in rays from space.
>>15465347you tried this before and got banned by the mods, just fuck off mate
>>15465295You know you can measure the pressure from the rocket engines at the pad surface, rightJust pump your water to a higher pressure than that
>>15465359>banned by the modsThis never happened, you did however get one of my posts taken down hours after everyone already saw it, lmao. Why does /our guy/ bother you so much?
>>15465295Did you not watch the video of the system being tested for significantly longer than Starship will be blasting it?
Ready for tonight's Falcon scrub? Stream is live:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBJ9uWdCLRI
>>15465060ooo it gave me chillsWE ARE GOING
Clear live for Arabsat Badr-8 missionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ew5n2iO2Yw
>>15465295
>>15465237okay sorry, not glass but plastic-based microcarbon multilayer semiorganic metamaterial
>>15465237inflatable armchairs from the early 00s?
>>15465381Living inside a pool floaty bed
3.5 bings left
226 falcon family launches holy shit
>>15465368the funny brown man in a dress got his launch finally
>>15465383colonists have to take it in turns to blow it back up
Oh no you guys, it's on fire...
>>15465392hello launch cat
>>15465396what a terrible fucking crop job mate
>8 likeshmmmmmmmm
14th launch for this booster. I remember when breaking 10 was a big deal. now they fly commercial payloads and no big deal
Comfy launch
>>15465398>>15465396
>engine ratthey need to put some mouse traps or something in there
>>15465403we all saw the video chris
>>15465404The rat meme will never not make me laugh
How do they make it look this easy?
i wonder if von braun could have imagined rockets landing themselves safely on a boat
>>15465411it turns out it is that easy in rocketry
>>15465411Is that you Bezos? Don't you have some engines to deliver?
I was gonna go to bed but I like this song
lil ratto
3 months MINIMUM to starship 2 launch :(
>>15465418>gif2023
>>15465426july lunch occurred to me in a dream
>>15465429
>>15465435berger_source_i_made_it_up.jpg
once Dream Chaser gets shitcanned Lulcan will have.... 4 total flights contracted? hmm
buh bye
>>15465412Of course he could, he was one of the first people to propose reusing rockets but propulsive landing was too technically challenging so he instead wanted to use parachutes, later drag skirts, and ocean recovery for the first and second stages, with the third stage returning to land on a runway. He even proposed a better version of MOOSE, this shit is cool as fuck.
>>15465450>what is your sex IQ
>>15465466
>>15465466solid double digits
>>15465450f that
>>15465466Von Braun wrote that article too.
>>15465484what was his secs iq?
>>15465435why would use a samo tweet for that, the footnote is much funnier
>>15465493I just remember seeing it and laughing my ass of that samo of all people tweeted itMakes sense in hindsight that he would tweet it but I was caught off guard by it
>muskrats actually believe that "cybertruck" would be used as lunar/mars rover
>>15465514nah that one is hyperloop retarded.
>>15464951The FAA jurisdiction extends to the entire Earth atmosphere
>>15465514Is this Twitter Muskrats or you referring to us
>>15465552Thats exactly why we must leave Earth
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1662263704262680577
>>15465600Let's hope this isn't Elon Time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ6t3izjnj4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2L3oYHOxzE
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1662267891268349956
>wake up>next starship flight is already delayed by a monthoh boy here we go again
>>15465487extremely high>Von Braun had a charismatic personality and was known as a ladies' man. As a student in Berlin, he often was seen in the evenings in the company of two girlfriends at once.>He later had a succession of affairs within the secretarial and computer pool at Peenemünde.>In January 1943, von Braun became engaged to Dorothee Brill, a physical education teacher in Berlin>Later in 1943, he had an affair with a French woman while in Paris preparing V-2 launch sites in northeastern France.>During his stay at Fort Bliss, von Braun proposed marriage to Maria Luise von Quistorp, his maternal first cousin, in a letter to his father. He married her in a Lutheran church in Landshut>He was age 35, and his new bride was age 18.
>>15465623at first it was 2 months, not its 2 months
>>15465633*now
>>15465635two months is the new two weeks
2 months + 2 weeks
>>15465623It wasn't delayed. There was an aspirational Elon time wish with no deadline set.
>>15465655>aspirational Elon time wish with no deadline setJust like now?
>>15465623It's going to be two months away for at least another two months.
>>15465623where is the delay?
>>15465657Yes, that is Elon time. Doesn't mean it can't happen, but it requires everything to go forward without friction.
>>15465676elon posted it on twitter, 1 month for olm work, 1 month for testing
Getting license will probably end up delaying it more than the launchpad building or testing.
>>15465678https://spacenews.com/musk-predicts-next-starship-launch-in-a-couple-months/>“Hopefully, we’ll be ready to fly again in a couple months.”Its right on schedule?
>>15465681that was posted a month ago. so it was 2 months then, now its 2 months again as of today.
>>15465682Where's the "2 months" from?
>>15465681does a couple mean 2 or 3? I think its 2One month has passed, and now its 1 month of upgrading/fixing the OLM + 1 month of testing s25 and B9, so if this timeline doesn't slip, that would be 3 months in totalsomeone did say that musk said 2-3 months in the twitter spaces, I don't remember the exact wording he used though (might have been something like 8-12 weeks)
>>15465689"few months" = 2-4 months."couple months" = 2-6 months"several months" = 3-8 months"many months" = 5-10 months
>>15465687>>15465681>a couple months>https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1662263704262680577> launchpad upgrades should be complete in about a month, then another month of rocket testing on pad
https://twitter.com/VirtuallyNathan/status/1662256501220671494This dude has been posting about starlink for a while now
>>15465698Thats from yesterday, 1+ repairs +1 month major pad upgrade +1 month testingThats well within couple months.
>>15464951Isn't this just the backstory to the novel Artemis?
TWO MORE MONTHS TWO MORE WEEKS TWO MORE YEARS TWO MORE PADS TWO MORE STARSHIPS TWO MORE STATIC FIRES TWO MORE SPIN PRIMES TWO MORE OLMS TWO MORE YOUTUBE VIDEOS TWO MORE TWEETS TWO MORE ENVIROMENTAL REVIEWS TWO MORE FAA LICENCESIM GOING FUCKING INSANENIGGGGEEERRRRRRR
>>15465697lol 6 isnt a couple wtf are you talking about
>>15464936>>15465060Just as we were talking about it
>>15465150>up next S25 and B9
>>15465295water pressure has to be higher than chamber pressure
>>15465347kek
>>15465347NOOOO NUCLAER SISTERS!!!!
https://twitter.com/TJ_Cooney/status/1662280673854382082LMAO the whole launch control shaking
>>15465748Carmack chilling behind the cameras.
>>15465742Not the chamber pressure but the stagnation pressure based on the velocity of the rocket exhaust.
We are another step closer step on Mars
>>15464283> propaganda reeeeeeOf course you burgers are completely immune to such thingshttps://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3210663/china-faces-eu-criticism-over-treatment-uygurs-other-minorities-human-rights-talks-resume
>>15465773True, there are various interests groups that want to spread their own truth. But we can criticize things like the military without getting fined for it Chang. Just say that you want daddy Xi to control what you can and can't say. Your whataboutism has no power here.
>>15465745The nuclaer sisters just got my post deleted, how will I ever recover from this loss? :(
>>15465287he was working on the project before baumgartner broke the record, and used a radically different design that had never been used before nor since. he also did it with entirely his own money instead of schmoozing redbull for 80% of the budget. essentially every similarity between felix and alan's attempts boil down to "you have to do it this way" i.e. they both used a balloon because there's no other viable option
doomers get the airlock
hello /sfg/?
>>15464027The earth is flat and stationary with a dome, they are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive and neither are you. Enjoy the endless delays until the CGI is ready, only then you'll get your Mars landings livestreamed straight into your vaxxed brain.
>>15465876buongiorno signori
>>15465876Hullo!
Orbital mechanicfags, I have a question. Is it possible to have a satellite in a polar orbit straddling the day-night terminator and have the orbit precess so that it constantly remains in daylight all year? Is this just an SSO orbit?
>probe overflies crater rim>sudden discrepancy between measured altitude and estimated one>software decides to keep the estimation and ignores the real data>perfectly brakes at 1m/s at imaginary landing spot at 5 km altitude>free falls Why is western software this retarded? Just fucking use the ground radar over anything else, or don't land in a fucking crater.
>>15465907That is SSO, yes.
>>15465915what if the ground radar malfunctions?
>>15465915glorious nippon is western now?
>>15465700literally who
>>15465932The lander had Draper GNC. But at least in spaceflight, I consider Japan wastern regardless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvbWANPktZQ
>>15463528if the SLS and Orion were canceled today it would be good for human spaceflight
>>15465915the flipside of this is that if it followed measured data perfectly, if the sensor fails then it's not going to slow down in time
>>15465915Apollo computers used Kalman filtering and to my knowledge no automatic rejection of spurious signals. They would have made it running 60 year old code.
>>15465970kind of difficult to improve on Kalman filtering in this case in a way that really makes a big difference, you could maybe optimize how much propellant you need but not by too much
>>15465915incompetent coders. I would've done better. >>15465928Radar just works
>good morning you are listening to gainzstation fm>we just gathered your generous request calls and the most popular request is...>sigh>you spin me around by dead or alive>...again>do you guys listen to anything else?
>>15465793Just use a small rocket
PID on a 70s computer is all you need for reliable propulsive landings, on Mars, the Moon or anywhere else.
>>15465993https://youtu.be/PslQESlD4xs
>>15465793>>15465994Virgin Galactic tried another approach but their initial attempt from 15 km was deemed unsuccessful.
>>15466008lame. how am i supposed to get swole in the 4g chamber to this?
>>15466022she says "weight of the world" which is funny because these squats are killing methis music always gets me motivatedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ExD6T2f3WEthe Venus Wars soundtrack is also hype
https://youtu.be/puEMM96sGyo
>>15465689Couple literally means two, although some people use it very loosely
>>15465707Very thoughtful analysis of the situation! Thank you!
>>15465907For what purpose?
its up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3K52322g78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZiOEq5Kqgw
good morning sfg
>>15465915>estimated altitude>literally just distance to perfect sphere>equating that with ground altitudehow retarded can you be? this doesn't make any sense to make that comparison in the first place.
>>15466179good morning sir
How many Two More Weeks until the next Starship launch?
>>154661887
>>15466188>>15466189elon said 4, 2 weeks ago
>>154661882
>>15466188
>>15466205>Turkish ice cream vendor but it's starship
>>15464871They are training their astronauts as we speak.
>The company's remaining assets were sold off to various aerospace companies for a total of $36 million, less than 1% of the company's valuation upon IPO.lmao
>>15465600So test in 6 months from now.
>>15466333That's the start of the spin prime campaign
>>15466341Spinprime for Hitler.
Holy fuck this thread devolved into dogshit
>>15466395It's almost always dogshit when we don't have a launch to watch or some major development to get autistic over.
>>15466408Like Roscosmos engineers getting thrown in to the Ukraine meat grinder? We desperately need those ISS replacements now.
>>15466425>mastodon.social
>>15466425Are they trying to kill their space program?
>>15466461Unless Angara suddenly sprouts a manned capsule capable of Soyuz/Progress duties and Vostochny is capable of launching it, they will eventually run out of foreign parts and be trapped at the bottom of the well.
>>15466464Russia's current plans for a Moon landing are based on Angara.
someone mention Hitler?
What is the best website to see falcon 9 booster flight history? Remember a really cool site that looked like a gant chart. Should have saved it.
i have been out for like 14 hours and the thread had accumulated <100 posts
>>15466537love the Taj Mahal inspired interstage.
>>15466542gold-leaf onion dome nosecones when?
I like it when rockets have a single step down in diameter, like a bottlenecked rifle cartridge. post bottlenecked rockets.
>>15466593
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>>15466425>>15466461One of the four major internal players in Russia is gaining a lot of power - the "strong" lobby that includes military, MIC, police, orthodox churrch(lmao) - and I guess they are either fans of Starship troopers, or just want more people in their direct control.
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>>15466540Good. No useless literal who twitter screencaps, no trip/namefags, and no schizo trash. This is how it should be.
Did people actually believe Boeing when they said Starliner had a 'perfect' flight?
>>15466607Sure, if you mean a Trumpian "perfect" flight.
>>15466593I like it when they have a constant diameter the whole length
>>15466633you are entitled to that opinion.
>>15466492Russia says a lot of shit. I don't see any capsule tests.
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>>15466593>singleYou are like little baby, watch this.> M O O N
VAST will succeed
>>15466646>Let's Scotch tape our solar radiation shade and solar panels to the side of this vehicle that will be supersonic in the atmosphereWhose idea was this
>>15466593britishspaceprogramgon.jpg
>>15466788where is the pic of the sad crashed stage with the smashed engines?
>>15466769Skylab was peak 1960s yolospace.
>>15466659Based and junkyard aesthetic pilled
>>15466769>Let's Scotch tape our solar radiation shade and solar panels to the side of this vehicle that will be supersonic in the atmosphere>Whose idea was thisThe part that ripped off in the supersonic airstream was a micrometeroid shield first and foremost. For micrometeroid shields to be effective, they have to have a gap between the shield and the underlying spacecraft that it's protecting. To do this, they designed the micrometeroid shield like a giant springform cake pan. It was clamped down tight around Skylab for ascent, and then in space, the clamp was supposed to be opened, causing the shield to spring out, increasing its circumference and creating a gap of a few centimeters between it and the spacecraft.This was of course far too flimsy and complicated and it ripped right off.After that, they continued to build micrometeroid shields with a gap underneath, but the outer panels are mounted securely and not meant to pop off or change shape in any way.
>>15466801Too hot? Just stick an umbrella out the airlock. That will cool you right down!
Are we just gonna ignore the fact that the Saturn V remains unparalleled in terms of AESTHETICS??
>>15466873Those are Saturn IB first stages.
In terms of actually built and flown, I agree since Starship hasnt been polished up at all yet. However, I believe when Starship HLS flies it will take the crown
>>15466887IB is the most aesthetic rocket ever made desu>captcha: P2PGAY
>>15465108anyone know this guy's name?
>>15466934That's Elon Musk
>>15466760Indeed. and Axiom will fail (bigly)
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>>15466934Gary Busey
>>15466941Axiom is oldspace leeching on newspace. Fuck em.
