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Rocket exhaust literally cannot melt steel. They should cover the are under the rocket with it
>>15150196Too expensive>x
>>15150196>arearea*
>>15150190Overblown issue. Once they changed the concrete, there were no more flying bits.
when is the fuckin static fire
>>151502132 weeks
>>15150216™
Back when Musk used to talk like this democrats loved him
>>15150237>liking your own quotes
>>15150237I literally cannot make sense of this sentencehe's trying to say that capitalism works except it causes climate change?
>>15150212Pretty sure even the super concrete got chunked
>>15150244capitalism works in general, but at times there are externalities that are not taken into account in the price of the product but have real costs other examples of this would be dumping toxic waste into the river due to there not being some kind of environmental regulation
>>15150200Why not just use the corpses of old SN's, unroll them, and stack a few on top of each other? Might as well use the scraps.
>>15150190Japanese startup is working on a Starship clone called Deca https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1617846825205080064?s=61&t=E5K9CujWWrseKVaMEhzi9Qhttps://www.istellartech.com/launch/deca
>>15150259how far are they in the development?
>>15150259
>>15150259> We are pleased to inform you that we have started the "DECA" project, the first private-sector satellite constellation launch vehicle in Japan.>We aim to realize a service suitable for the era of mass transportation to space in the 2030s.
>>15150261According to them they just started and expect it to work in the 2030sRight now they just do small rockets
>>15150244the cost of air pollution is not priced in to the prices of goods for example. The free market cannot account for that. Something people say to criticise capitalism. However it is not an issue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN4gVuOFTUU
>>15150264ah good ole inflatable rockets
>>15150259It's an interesting mix of Superheavy and Neutron design ideas, and it's in the right size range for the applications they're talking about using it for. I'm just glad to see Japan start to get in on any newspace action.
>>15150268a single spark could've created a massive explosion right there. Not to mention that any bird or insect that flew into that cloud would've dropped dead
>>15150270can anyone understand japanese?the automatic subtitles is not working very well
>>15150262That's a rather impressive cluster of engines
the roadmapI do wonder if the small launcher is going to have any market at all
EARTHER (derogatory)
Japanese new space is fascinatingThere is another Japanese company working on a commercial space station for 2030https://re-how.net/2022/12/digital-blast-co-ltd-digitalblast-announces-japans-first-private-space-station-css-concept/
>>15150285It might find some business in the Japanese domestic market. Most of Epsilon's work had been launching smallsat clusters, and I'm not sure just how many rideshare payloads have originated in Japan. It could also just be a stepping stone that they don't intend to operate for very long. Relativity doesn't seem to be too attached to Terran-1 except as a means of progressing to Terran-R
>>15150293>Japanese new space is fascinatingYeah, it's kinda under the radar, but they probably have the most exciting new space industry outside of the US. At last year's smallsat conference, it felt like the vast majority of non-American presenters were from Japan.
Name one startup formed after 2013 that isn’t a fucking meme
>>15150306spacex was a meme for its first 10 years too
>>15150316Fair enough
Any news on Blorogins abort?
>>15150275They talk about how satellite constellations can connect and observe the whole world, they'll have many applications, like world wide internet or tracking whale migrations, and some things we can't even think of yet. So they're building a rocket that is convenient and can launch anywhere. They achieved great reliability with their small rocket and now they're ready to go bigger. At the end he says Japan has to be ready by 2030 if it wants a place in the market, after that it's too late.
>>15150348>Japan>tracking whale migrations
>>15150348>Japan has to be ready by 2030 if it wants a place in the marketThat's not an unreasonable position. Even Europe's come around to the idea that they need some kind of reusable launch vehicle (although Arianespace is insisting that they be the ones to build it and operate it as a monopoly). Starship, etc, aren't going to kill off the old expendable launchers but they are going to make the groups that rely on expendable launchers hopelessly second class when it comes to space infrastructure.
>>15150352for "scientific purposes"
>>15150269>However it is not an issuenice handwavingit is an issue and a huge one
>>15150363whale meat has a lower carbon footprint that other foods.simp for the cetaceans all you like, the whales are going extinct anyway if nothing is done about global warming. eating a few whales saves the rest of them from dying of starvation due to overpopulation, whales are like lemmings, they'll eat all the food in their environment and then starve to death if left unmanaged, only difference is whales have nowhere to run away to once it happens.
>>15150246Super concrete was only put into place after the most recent static fire.
>>15150264>haven't made something yet>Interstellar Technologies>InterstellarI admire the balls
>>15150389thats what all species do man, even most humans
Ariane 5 with Zenit-derived boosters from a 2011 Yuzhmash study
>>15150404Now this is fucking cool, unironically
>>15150404Europe buying foreign LRBs for the Ariane isn't the most outlandish thing I've ever heard suggested. What was the performance supposed to be like?
>>15150404That would be so based.
>>15150389>lower carbon footprintFuck off with this corporate propaganda
>>15150408I haven't seen much on this, just some article on a franco-russian site that points as source 1) a 12 years old Air&Cosmos magazine publication 2) a paper abstract from the 62nd IAC and 3) a personal interview with a Yuzhnoye engineer, but apparently this was supposedtobe 940 tons heavy and increase A5's payload to GTO by 4.5 tons (9.5->14tons, this was before A5's more recent upgrades so now it could reach 16 tons)
>>15150453Europe wastes so many opportunities it's unreal.
>>15150510THEY BELONG IN AN ALABAMA RIVER GOD DAMN YOU
>>15150510Rock GET!
>>15150462That's geographic return for you. If you remove the Side boosters you remove a good part of Italy's 15% budget contribution (which is mandated by law to have a return on local industrial investment equivalent to its contribution) to A5 and a smaller part of France's 45% contribution, let alone the smaller belgian, austrian, german contribution to the EAP the whole industrial process just collapses like a house of card and you can be sure there won't be any Ariane 6! . And it goes deeper on the subnational level, because now you hurt Lazio's and Brussel's aerospace industry a lot, the Europropulsion joint-venture between Safran and Fiat collapses, the Safran Herakles factory in Aquitaine is now underused which vastly increases the cost of France's M51 ICBMs, the French guyana Propellant Factory is now useless and you've removed a significant part of the Guyana Space Center's employment which is the economic center of the whole region of French Guyana (which sends 2 Member of Parliament and 2 senators to the French Parliament)...Is some tiny Ukrainian budget contribution and 5 more tons to GTO worth that?
>>15150530Is it geography that forces Europeans to tax American corporations and stop all forms of internal competition in favor of state owned/run companies?
>>15150389I wonder what whale tastes like. I don't like fish, but they are mammals.
>>15150539It's good enough, couldn't tell you how it taste since my sense of taste and smell is fucked from birth but I liked it when I ate some in Oslo.
>>15150274The white stuff you're seeing is water fa.m
>>15150539I was raised on whale beef because it was cheap as fuck then and we were poorfags. It's good, but nowadays the quality has dropped quite a bit. Tastes gamey but now with much stronger fish taste.
>>15150544>because it was cheap as fuckWhat? This makes no sense to me.
>>15150549Whales are big, entire communities used to live of hunting whales.
>>15150549Because we hunted a hell of a lot more and bigger whales back when I grew up than the few and much smaller species we hunt now?
>>15150539They smell like fish but probably tastes like pigs
>>15150536It's how we get free healthcare and free public transportation :)
>>15150558It's more like a really lean and extra dark gamey beef.
>>15150540>my sense of taste and smell is fucked from birthmine's fucked since corona
>>15150536"Geographic return" is a ESA policy, doesn't have anything to do with geography
>>15150536invasive tech companies should be taxed
>>15150566welp; i'm sorry, must be a completely different thing to lose a sense one used to have vs never having it in the first place
>>15150568In otherwords, Europe cant handle competition. They're a breed of people who are too entitled and want to stop others from competiting
>>15150572sorry I wasn't trying to be condescending
>>15150574>protectionism is badYou sound Jewish.
>>15150290EARTHER (critically endangered)
EU is incompatible with private spaceflight or functional space programs. All spaceflights endeavors should be strictly national.
>>15150588doomsday clock 90 seconds to midnight
>>15150574The US and Russia keep starting proxy wars around us, flooding the continent with immigrants and denying us cheap fuel. And yet we still live better, lmao.
>>15150592Fuck off with your bullshit, we don't.
>>15150530MUH JOBS
>>15150592>Russia keep starting proxy wars around uskinda interesting considering Russia is weaker than a number of EU countries
>>15150592European countries are completely free to tighten migration regulations
>>15150589>Commercial spaceflight leader at two different times>2nd space agency with the most achievements post USSRyawn sure
>>15150593>Ukraine, Syria, entire north Arfrica, etc. etc.
When will we see Starship at Kennedy?
>>15150598too bad people of a different nationality are in power, same as in US
>>15150589But eventually you're right, Napoleon, Stalin and Hitler had good ideas in unifying the continent by force
>>151506022 weeks
>>15150605Yeah their "unity" meant one big boy telling others what to do and everyone else essentially enslaved.
>>15150389>whale meat has a lower carbon footprint that other foodsduh, there's hardly an industry of the same scale, and if there were it might save the whales (whale farming)
>>15150608That's empires for ya, you accept it and you try to make the empire as large as possible to get economies of scale.
>>15150604This. Also, lots of foreign paid NGOs and politicians.
>>15150592That's true, but my conception has always been that mostly outsourcing security frees up a lot of money for welfare. (this is opposed to the US, which spends huge amounts of money to maintain global hegemon status)>>15150584>>15150589NTA, and I think protectionism is good, but it can go too far: if you allow uncompetitive monopolies for long periods of time, you will fall further and further behind the rest of the world.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/23/elon-musk-says-he-would-have-sold-spacex-stock-to-take-tesla-private.html>Elon Musk testifies he would have sold SpaceX stock to take Tesla private in 2018>Musk is being sued by Tesla shareholders for a series of tweets he wrote in August 2018 saying he had “funding secured” to take the automaker private for $420 per share [...]>During his second day on the witness stand, Musk claimed that another reason he said he had “funding secured” for a deal back in 2018 was that he could have sold shares of SpaceX, a U.S. defense contractor and satellite internet company that he also runs, in order to finance the transaction.>Musk said under oath, “SpaceX stock alone meant ‘funding secured’ by itself. It’s not that I want to sell SpaceX stock but I could have, and if you look at the Twitter transaction — that is what I did. I sold Tesla stock to complete the Twitter transaction. And I would have done the same here.”luckily he didn't sell spacex stock for twatter
Anyone has a better version of this without Yenisei
>>15150617>no landing legs on LM9So this is just a copy of Super Heavy?
>>15150616>Elon Musk testifies he would have sold SpaceX stock to take Tesla private in 2018his lawyers made that up. He wouldn't have done that kek
>>15150615Global hegemony is a scam. US would be a cultural and economic powerhouse even without its military's global reach. >but muh middle eastern puppet statesYou don't need those. Military industrial complex scam.
>>15150620>US would be a cultural and economic powerhouse even without its military's global reach.doubt it. Recently I've been thinking about geopolitics and having a strong army seems to be very important
Official congratulations from NASA
>>15150608admit it would've been better than what we have now
>>15150615>outsourcing security frees up a lot of money for welfareMaybe in the short run. But long term, having a MIC gets you jobs™ and taxes and revenue that can also be used for welfare.>>15150620>US would be a cultural and economic powerhouse even without its military's global reachstop posting
>>15150625yeah if it was [my country] and not [your country] in charge
>>15150623USA didn't care about its army between the civil war and WW1 nad during the interwar and they were still the largest economy and a major trendsetter. It just needed to wait until Europe shoot themselves in the foot for the 723th time.
>>15150630I wish my country was germanized
>>15150624>Congratulations to @SpaceX on a successful wet dress rehearsal>successful wet dress rehearsal>successfuloh no no NO doomers BTFOd
>>15150635he clearly states that the data review is yet to happen
>>15150623>>15150629US military is overkill, it could do with ~20% of its current budget. Russia is weak and European NATO countries could easily take it and China doesn't want a direct war with the West and Japan/SK anyway.
>>15150631>largest economy and a major trendsetterThat's easy when you're a huge, undisturbed federation.
>>15150637It was successful nonetheless, WE gAAN
>>15150637SpaceX go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCry more
>>15150617Why do you want yenisei removed, anon?
>>15150645>SpaceX go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRmore like BFRRRRRRRR
>>15150638EU countries need cheap Russian fuel, and have absolutely no interest in a war with Russia. If it wasn't for the US military, EU countries would not be in NATO at all, and would be in an economic union with Russia and would dominate the world.
>>15150259>Interstellar TechnologiesThis is the company that made a Tenga rocket, as well as one made up like a giant drill "to pierce the heavens".
>>15150510no it isnt cool you fucking dweebgayest shit ever
>>15150663who are you talking to
>>15150664space nazis
>>15150652What cheap oil. It's market rate. Unless you submit to Russia like Belarus and shit.
>>15150662>giant drill "to pierce the heavens"Don't believe in yourself, anon. Believe in me! Believe in the Elon who believes in himself!
>>15150647https://ria.ru/20210915/raketa-1750097218.htmlIt literally was indefinitely suspended back in 2021.CZ10/CZ5DY is better fitting for this graphMaybe New Glenn too while you're at it, it's realistic compared to Yenisei
>>15150678Don't believe you that believes in ElonBelieve in Elon that believes in himself.He knows the way
anything happening today?
>>15150689Electron from virginia
>>15150652Based imagine how much bigger Putin's palace could be in that world
>>15150689Thinking about having pizza for dinner. Other than that, no. Nothing's happening.
>>15150690anything interesting?
>>15150686>He knows the wayOf course. He's gonna crash the Moon into the E*rth once Mars reaches a population of 1 million.
>>15150675russian fuel = russian gas, not oilIt's a lot cheaper, because pipelines
>>15150271I'm gonna be so fucking mad at myself if I kys before this shit launches.
1. Can F9 second stage fit inside a SS fairing?2. Will SpaceX be able to retrieve 2nd stages with Starship?
>>15150716why would you do that, humanity is just about to start doing shit in space in earnest, we might be on the verge of biological immortality and massive boost in the standard of living with extensive AI/automation and robotics like teslas optimus
>>15150698nope, just normal /sfg/, waiting for the next happening. this time we're waiting for SS destack then 33 engine static fire.
>>15150624Fuck jim free up his ass
>>15150729Did he request the rearrange? Maybe he was simply told he has a new position
>>15150725Yes, this is literally being pursued by spacex
>>15150725No to both questions.
So is anyone else in New England ready to stay inside and watch a livestream? Because it is fucking overcast in my neck of the woods.
>>15150757It literally does, this is to scale, and we know SpaceX is seeking a demonstration of it
>>15150726>we might be on the verge of biological immortalityand that's a bad thing
if Starship doesn't work out they can always launch F9 second stages with superheavy
>>15150772This is way too dangerous for the wildlife. that's a HUGE blast radious
>>15150779Now make proper doors for that cargo bay. SpaceX already has structural problems with a small Starlink dispenser, so they had to weld it shut, both on S24 and S25.We haven't seen a cargo Starship yet, outside of renders, let that sink in.
What about F9 with raptors?
>>15150794also no d*pot variant
>>15150799Go back to 2016
>>15150780biological immortality meaning you don't die of old age, not really immortalyou can still stop living when you choose to
LIVEhttps://youtu.be/y8XAKyLndD8
>>15150647I want long march 9 gone that shit is fake as fuck until they pass through max q
>>15150772Yeah, the weather's turned to bullshit, oh well.>>15150788God I fucking wish.
>>15150823It will exist in the same way N1 and Energia existed, but if Starship is succesful, there is absolutely 0 doubt it will exist
why arent they showing the rocket?
>>15150839Rockets aren't real
30 min to goweather is good
>>15150839they are showing it right now
https://youtu.be/mTvq3wXc-iEget in here baby!
>>15150841yay sunset launch
>https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-darpa-will-test-nuclear-engine-for-future-mars-missionsMethane fags?
>>15150259Too small. A lot of these startups trying to clone Starship don't get it.
24th January2 years ago
>>15150849For a big rocket they need much more money and we still don't know if starship will work.
>>15150826So far China has yet to do achieve heavy lift and their solution to get that done is changing the design from 11m to 10.6 and back every year to allow for as little to get done as possible. I'm not saying the Chinese can't do it, because at least to me it seems that they're trying, but this is a rocket far more complicated than the 5b and they're trying to hit a very difficult moving target.
long march should use kerosene on all three stages.
>>15150857Is Starship "won't work" then a smaller rocket has no chance whatsoever. There's a reason SpaceX moved to Starship instead of trying to make a fully recoverable Falcon second stage.
>>15150850we've accomplished almost nothing :(
>>15150850How are they moving so fast?
LIVEhttps://youtu.be/tt_RcV_PSdE
SpaceX has better girls
>>15150865Clear is for rocket stream lovers <3
>the rocket will exceed the speed of sound at mach 1 to become supersonic
>>15150865A reminder that Clear is a man using a voice generator
>>15150865adorable
>>15150865I've been on 4chan for more than half a decade but how bizarre anime culture is never ceases to surprise me
>>15150293Japanese New Space basically is a copy of SpaceX and their mecha fantasies. It's pretty neat.
WE ARE GO FOR SCRUB
>>15150616>>15150619Technically its bullshit. But the matter ultimately is of intent and delivery, and given how he actually went through with the Tesla sale to fund Twitter, and given that he owns 48% of all outstanding SpaceX shares that exist, there's enough wiggle room to influence the jury to his side. Had he not done what he did with Tesla shares to acquire Twitter, the way this case would play out would be much different.
>>15150293>>15150890I don't know why you'd decide to compete with SpaceX and build a Starship clone as a newspace company. Starship has to work or you're definitely not solving whatever problem SpaceX ran into. Just found a company that makes sense for the new world of a fast cheap ride to anywhere in the solar system.
>>15150868>girlsAt this point, it feels like The Forever War was a prophetic documentary, rather than fiction.
>>15150868What are we thinking anons, right or left?
Rocket lab isn’t some cool underdog, they are gay
weather remains clear, range safe, lox loading almost done
bros wtf does this poll say?
When will be the next Electron recovery attempt?
>>15150902>Starship has to work or you're definitely not solving whatever problem SpaceX ran intoWhat starship is trying to do is launch and then propulsively land a Saturn-IC stage on a catching structure. Deca is looking to propulsively land and catch something in the same weight class as an Antares first stage, and they're not even using something as complex as articulated arms.
>>15150911THERES NO TIME, PICK ONE
>>15150916I DID I PICKED THE ONE WITH THE MOST EXCLAMACIONE
>>15150911do u rike?i likei like!!!!!!!!!!
T-00:00:15
DECOLLAGE
liftoff
How will they recover the booster?
>>15150930
How soon until people start calling in UFO sightings?
>>15150930It's funny because they dont
STAGE SEPUPPER STAGE FIRING
what did they mean by this?
Excluding maiden flights, launches without landing are boring.
>>15150930RL proved helicopter recovery is fucked beyond measure. They'll never attempt it again. Good luck to ULA and BO lol
>>15150940https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_is_for_Lovers
>>15150941Replying to the wrong post is my thing, stop it.
>>15150942cringe
Could see it from NJ
>mahia>wallopswhere will rocket lab launch from next?
>>15150947You did it again
>launch form Kwaj never again:(
about to jettison the trash
>>15150948
>>15150952Baikonur
I live in the west, I can't see it. Now what?
>>15150942>The Martin Agency says that, contrary to some claims, the slogan is not a reference to the United States Supreme Court's 1967 ruling in Loving v. Virginia, which legalized interracial marriage in the United States.interesting
>>15150956uhh, why isn't the battery detaching?
>>15150955Astra is going back
>>15150965its over
>>15150965looks like there was a lot of lag in the broadcast stream.
>>15150965stream delay
>>15150969Lots of old men
lol they have the same music that everyday astronaut usesis this some generic royalty free music?
>>15150952Keewana
>>15150979No retard, it IS everyday astronaut music. HE MADE IT
>>15150982calm down man, jeez
>>15150967Oh, I forgot about them. They have 3 months left to bring the stock above $1, lmao
>>15150986>Market cap: 165MOuch.
>>15150986Knew I should have loaded up with shorts when they painted that niggerlover shit on their rocket.
>>15150985dont ever call my fav youtuber music generic again, capisci?
>>15150994qrd?
Is this the one that gets caught by a helicopter? Is there a helicopter cam?
>>15150998Yeah coming up
>>15150985Tim won
>>15151002oh yeah, forgot about thatpretty based to be honest
>>15150998Not on this launch. They do it relatively (too) rarely which, imo, slows the reuse program. They should aggressively pursue the reuse of Electron to lower the cost of launch and attract investor money. All lessons learned from reusing Electron will also help with Neutron as they can pinpoint which elements tend to break first, practice post-flight inspections and develop best-practices. That's my biggest complain about Beck as I think that otherwise he is doing a fantastic job.
I guess everyday astronaut gave access, all of these songs seem to be his
>>15151011maybe the reuse attempts are really expensive, they might not have infinite investment moneyespecially with the recession and interest rate hikes
>>15151016It's a lot harder to take chances testing a reuse system when each test requires you to put human crew in harms way. SpaceX would have taken a lot longer to nail droneship recovery if the droneships all had crew on board. There's also the problem that Electron can't get enough customers to fill out its current flight rate, let alone a faster reusable one.
broadcast is back
Eh I think it might be a better bet to focus on Neutron instead of Electron reuse at this point.
Are flyback boosters ever going to be a useful technology?I was thinking it might be better if you're planning on making a really expensive booster and reusing dozens of hundreds of times, and the 10% blow up chance for a propulsive landing is too high.
>>15151058Thats not a woman, just saying
>>15151060that's what theyre doing
Using Greek deity terminology like Apollo/Artemis, what would be an appropriate name for a mars program?
>>15151067They could be, but someone has to be willing to drop the cash needed to develop them. Right now that's not likely because SpaceX stole the simple imaginations of everyone who previously wanted to copy the space shuttle.
>>15151073Athena or Minerva as she is the sister of Ares/Mars. I think Ares is too lame of a name for such a program.
Some Russian engine bosses were arrested over dealings of sales of RD180 engines to the U.S. https://meduza.io/news/2023/01/24/dvuh-byvshih-top-menedzherov-energomasha-posadili-po-delu-o-postavkah-raketnyh-dvigateley-v-ssha
>>15151075lame why? Ares seems appropriate
>>15151067>and the 10% blow up chance for a propulsive landing is too high.It's sub-1%, probably significantly.
>>15151067They're probably better suited for smaller launchers desu, but they're much less adaptable
>>15151080It doesn't has the same punch as Apollo.
>>15151091I think it has more punch, Apollo always sounded retarded to meArtemis too lol
>>151510802 Syllables is shit
>>15151073>Greek deity terminologyThat shit would have been appropriate in the 70s/80s, maybe even 90s as a continuation of Apollo. But at this point it has taken too embarrassingly long for a manned mission. Artemis just sounds fucking pathetic. For Mars it's full on colonization without muh dumb special mission names.
>>15151095short names are based
>>15151096I do wonder how will you cope when Mars colonization doesn't start during this century.
>>15150848Viola
>>15151102the first boots on Mars is the start of the colonization effort even if its a research base at first
>>15151102>>15151106dubs and we have martian cities by 2050
>>15151102Probably the same level of cope as you when everyone on this planet dies from runaway ecological collapse
>>15151080The greek Ares was much less considered and worshipped than the roman Mars, and he was seen as a negative and destructive god, not a good choice.
>>15151106That's more realistic, but it will still take centuries.
PAYLOAD DEPLOYMENT CONFIRMED
what went wrong with astra?
>>15150902Reasons to make your own Starship clone:1. Builds a large population of home grown aerospace talent2. Creates an industry ripe for disruption or creates an industry that otherwise did not exist3. Aerospace tech has an inverse square positive feedback on the rest of the market in which it excels in4. Because having your own launch capability is good5. Because having your own engines and reusable orbital class capabilities is good6. Because having a strong aerospace sector is the path towards all kinds of technological, material science, computing, and biotech breakthroughs that otherwise would not be pursued7. Because having a strong aerospace sector also forces transition of economies and cultural towards a more sustainable direction8. Because Gundamns and Valkyries; fuck you
Would being a moon of a gas giant offer better early opportunities for expansion and resource exploitation than being a free planet?
New CSI droppedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmLM1Jyk37gtldw: the new concrete mix under the pad should be fine. normal concrete outside of underneath may get blasted away. they're probably going to have to carve out a ring outside of the OLM legs to install a water deluge system.
>>15151132Realistically it's>because there are government contracts that are legally required to buy from more than one provider>because you're a country that isn't allowed to use Starship for ITAR related reasons (name may rhyme with China)>because you're an oldspace company with hundreds of billions of dollars and nothing better to do>because you don't trust the Americans
>>15151134let me chatgpt that for you
>>15151134Serious question - but vague. It deserves a serious followup question - - Are you talking about a moon like in one of Neil Comins' books around an alien starsystem's planet, in the HZ? or are you talking about Earth colonies on Callisto and Titan?Comins' model seems difficult to work in practice. A habitable moon might form around a superJovian at 1 AU from a G dwarf (like ours). But I'd worry that superJovian would irradiate that moon.For us here around Sol, the Jovians are a tough call. Jupiter's radiation starts getting ugly around Ganymede although Ganymede might be able to resist it once we've landed.
>>15151136dead link
>>15151122>it will still take centuries.Do you know how long a century is?No seriously
>>15151158yeahand?
>>15151158>were nearly 1/4th of the way through the 21st century
>>15150848I keep telling anons that NTP is the future but they just have to be luddites.
>>15151170by the time we get NTP down fusion will already be on its way
>>15151171>believes in the fusion meme
>>15151170You will still need those chemical rockets to assemble the NTP ships.
>>15151147Reminder that aaaaall of the radiation trapped inside Jupiter's magnetosphere is LOW PENETRATING POWER, so NONE of it would reach lower than the high upper atmosphere of any world orbiting a gas giant.
>>15151171Fusion doesn't exist, stars are powered by small black holes
>>15150996
>>15151171We won't get fusion to work for centuriesAlso NTPIn fact nothing will change for the rest of the 21st century.
>>15151235everything will change
>>15151235when i move to japan and help develop fully functional gundams you will be the first target
I am back from wallops, gonna dump pictures and webms
>>15151239Second stage with with battery falling off
>>15151245Jet flying past the moon
>>15151248Moon close up
>>15151238>>15151236Cope.Technology has been at a standstill since about 1985 and it's not changing any time soon.
>>15151258yeah because we had rtx 3080s and methane engines in 1985. faggot.
>>15150986>52-wk low: 0.40>now: 0.62The Astra comeback is on
>>15151235That ARC reactor from MIT shows a lot of promise even to physicists, unlike that Helion scam.NTR isn't that useful in my opinion, at least until we're building real human settlements in the asteroid belt and/or on Jovian moons. The high Isp isn't worth the headache of storing and handling millions of liters of LH2 indefinitely, but a 300 Isp steam NTR would be awesome due to the ubiquity of the propellant. No slow and energy hungry electrolysis required.
>>15151258REBCO superconducting tapes didn't exist until recently, and now it's being mass produced.
>>15150269>>15150376Lmao have fun running out of lithium reserves before 2030, stupid faggots with your bullshit enviromentalism
>>15151272The invisible hand will simply find more lithium
>>15151272Hydrogen is still an option.
>>15151265Field Reversed Configururation or fuck off
>>15151272>running out of ocean waterDoubtful
>>15151272we can find lithium in asteroids and starship will open up possibilites for miningive made a small concept/blueprint for a possible mining vessel using starship (confidential, not posting here) and it should be possible (with margin) by 2030-35.
>>15151260>rtx 3080sBing-bing-wahoo machines>methane enginesStill not flight-tested ie exist only on paper
https://twitter.com/NASAJPL/status/1618066619552665600>Gearing up for launch>Teams are hard at work on the #MissionToPsyche spacecraft at the Astrotech Space Operations Facility near NASAKennedy.>Psyche, which will explore a metal-rich asteroid of the same name, is targeted to launch in October 2023.fucking finallythis shit delayed so many future missions
>>15150443*jewish propaganda
>Bing-bing-wahoo machinesok faggot, AI good enough to make realistic art and text wasnt around either>>15151281>Still not flight-tested ie exist only on paper
>>15151272We'll have graphene batteries by then
>>15151285HOPS DONT COUNT BECAUSE… T-THEY JUST DONT OKAY????
>>15151282Fuck JPL
>>15151290even if they didnt count the chinks still have a proven methane enginehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TQ-12
>>15150592*this is what Yuromutts actually believe*lmaohttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RHt9LOaJSL4
>>15151277It sounds good, and it doesn't work. However that's not why they're a scam. Helion is a scam because they are lying in a very obvious way to any expert. The fusion cross section of He3-D is far smaller than the D-D fusion cross section. Even a 95% He3 5% D gas mixture is going to preferentially fuse deuterium and make plenty of nice little neutrons. They lie about this in their video. They also talk about He3 producing more power because each reaction releases more energy than a D-T fusion reaction, which is a lie by omission of the fact that He-3 fusion occurs far slower than D-D fusion at any given triple product condition.
>>15151310fuck off
>>15151310Not your army + your gay for using /pol/
>>15150726The last 2 fucking suck and are horrible
>>15151319Self-indulgent doomerism on par with Thomas Ligotti
>>15151319>muh scifi
>>15151319Read the Culture series for a much more sophisticated and fun story which carries extremely deep and subtle existential doomerism
Static fire ~Feb. 12th, launch ~Mar. 10th?I would like to gently remind everyone that March 10th is the 69th day of the year.
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>>15150772Nj fag, fucking missed the launch. Anyone e have pics from the state?
>>15151326>Culture seriesI fucking hate those lgbt spaceships
>>15151326losing purpose because you are pampered by superintelligent AIs?
>>15151109ok tranny lmao
>>15151335The ships aren't gay, they're human-quality-of-life maximizers. One way they accomplish this is preserving an environment where every person is a sexually and physically enhanced demigod who can swap sexes at will, and one way they preserve this state is to perform hyperviolent hypermalicious acts to any aliens that try to attack them (remember when the culture nanomachine in Surface Detail peeled the skin off of a guy who tried to bomb a Ring and then hung him by his intestines, or the other time when a Mind forced an old military officer alien to experience the death of every person he helped genocide in a high speed montage until he died of stress?)
electron
we're reaching 2009 boomer levels now
why dont parachutes work on the recovery of a falcon 9 booster?
>>15151275An inefficient way of wasting oil in his production if is for massive transportation, pity.They still should keep working in how to improve the storage tho>>15151279Oh man i don't remember the name of the process but that's not lithium related and so far i know they don't plan to use it at a commercial scale>>15151280Wouldn't that rise the price of any lithium related products? (of course that could be the plan all this time)>>15151289Same as last response about the rise of prices
>>15151367i really dont care what happens to earthers, by the time my design gets accepted ill be a billionaire anyway
>>15151326Consider Phlebas was such a ordeal lmao, i would recommend it to troll someone, nice Prologue tho>>15151336if only>>15151324>Didn't read itfaggot Any current situation is gonna be much worse, Hell-tier worse
>>15151367>Same as last response about the rise of pricesAs prices rise due to scarcity, less-rich lithium deposits become economical to exploit. Since the frequency of lithium deposits increases greatly the lower the concentration you look at, this effectively means we will "never" run out of lithium, because at some point the cost of pulling lithium out of sea water will become lower than the market value of that lithium. Of course, with modern energy prices that lithium would be very expensive vs modern lithium, but then again, as improvements in technology continue to drop the price of energy, this will also bring down the cost of lithium extraction from any source. Also, as lithium prices rise, there will be greater and greater incentive to develop sodium ion batteries as a replacement for non-mobile energy storage (ie, grid battery banks). Sodium is hyperabundant, so assuming we have an easily mass-manufacturable rechargeable design with good cycle life, sodium ion batteries would out compete lithium batteries in those huge multi-megawatt storage arrays that grids will be buying.
>>15151361So sexy, it hurts
>>15151384Consider Phlebas is the bitter outside of the orange you need to peel off to get to the juicy Player of Games flesh.
>>15151384>Consider PhlebasI loved it haha, the escape from Vavatch was the highlight for me
>>15151330Kek
>>15151384Consider Phlebas was fine, pretty bad compared to other books in the series though but better than the average scifi I would say
>>15151392>be main character of Player of Games>be only attracted to women, odd among culture citizens>every Culture girl you fuck changes sex into a man soon after>become unsettled by thisthis plot line is never resolved
>>15151401what needs resolving?
>>15151404Nothing, I just wanted to point it out cuz it's funny
>>15151364Your not adding any weight when add a parachute. Your just using the same rocket engine.
>>15151356Sounds gay
>>15151147I mean like if a technological species arose on a habitable moon around a gas giantSeems to me like you’d probably have sister moons and moonlets you could hop around on
If you've ever watched The Expanse but not read the books thinking the series is the best you've ever watched, read the books right nowThey're much betterInstead of the canterbury dying in 30 seconds there's an 8 minute gap between torpedo launch and impact in the books for example
>>15151463The books are really good, and their story actually concludes unlike the show
Happy birthday to Clementine
>>15151495also>1995 - A number of civilians are killed when a Long March 2E rocket fails to launch the Apstar 2 communication satellite, falling on a village after being blown off course by windshear.sheesh happy anniversary to that too I guess
>>15151499The road to the stars is paved in blood.
>>15151499I’m surprised no one has given China more shit for their blatant disregard for human life and coverups of actual tradgedies
>>15151364Did you really think they never considered a chute?Chutes have very poor accuracy, did you notice they stopped trying to use chutes for fairing recovery? You really don't want your rocket engines in the ocean because salt water, and there's no way you're going to land it upright on a pad with a chute.Also the engines are already there, so no extra weight needed, and there needs to be some fuel margin for a successful launch anyhow. The amount of fuel needed for a powered landing of an empty rocket is a fraction of what it needed going up.
>>15151509Beetles are more important
>>15151504didn't expect to see one of my one-off AI skelly astros reposted lolshould probably try again with more effort sometime soon for more '/sfg/ is dead' posts
>>15151531If you want to mix it up, I think it'd be badass to have one fallen over on the surface of the moon.
>>15151531Why use AI, and not just real life
>>15151542The emu test fire is unironically scary because it was totally unplanned and was an actual accident
>>15151526
>>15151494>>15151463And if you like the books you should play Traveller since that’s what the whole series is based on
>>15151129The other way around:What do you think went right with Astra?
>>15151239Noice, anon
>>15151566Traveller is great, it has that comfy 70s setting.
>>15151509Space > the lives of proles
>>15151612Shit, I used to run Traveller and MegaTraveller back in the day.
>>15151170NTP will never be economically viable compared to chemical. It will be used primarily by Space Force and rare NASA exceptions. Private industry will almost never use NTP
>>15151272>peak oil
>>15151275the anon you replied to is retarded but you are even more retarded
>>15151637would it kill them to use a better picture? fuck sake
>>15151637This looks shopped. I can tell from the pixels and from having seen quite a few shops in my time.
/sfg/ is dead...
>>15151896We're in a contra-hype moment. There's nothing to do but wait for word and sign of the next thing, which probably isn't happening this week. Unless you want to get excited about an H-IIA or Falcon 9 launch, of course
Say hello to the Vulcain 2.1
>>15151938That's some robust nozzle shielding. I didn't expect them to be that worried about radiant heat from the SRBs
>>15151775Why? Because reactors are expensive to make or set up?
>>15151566I always forget that The Expanse is literally just based on some nerds play a forum rpg.
>>15151987So is elder scrolls. And cyberpunk. And fallout. And a few more obscure fantasy series I could name, like the second apocalypse
>>15151970Imagine the dry mass
>>15152101Vulcain 2 is 1935 kg, Vulcain 2.1 is quoted as "2 tons", I imagine it's a <10% increase
>>15152190I think the focus was more for fewer parts and cost reduction
So I am an enginelet, but do gas generator hydrolox engines like Vulcain or RS-68 run fuel-rich in the preburner? Presumably so? It seems dumb to go through the trouble of designing around hydrogen but then not taking advantage of the fact that it won’t gunk up anything like kerolox, or burn through your metal like an oxygen-rich cycle would
>>15152267>do gas generator hydrolox engines like Vulcain or RS-68 run fuel-rich in the preburner?yes>go through the trouble of designing around hydrogen but then not taking advantage of the fact that it won’t gunk up anything like keroloxthis is a nonsensical argument
>>15152267They run fuel rich period, extra fuel rich in the preburner.
>>15151326>>15151384>>15151392I've been reading the Hydrogen Sonata, which was my first Culture book. I like the humor and some of the existential musings but there are a few refences I don't get because I haven't read the others. How does the rest of the series compare?
>>15152387They're good overall, Consider Phlebas is genuinely a bit of a drag, but I'd say it's worthwhile if you read fast. Just go in with low expectations. Read Player of Games if you want to get all of Elon's jokes. Other than that they're all pretty good from what I remember.
>>15152387I don't think I've read Hydrogen Sonata, but I enjoyed most of them, some of them are great
>>15152267Is it possible to make an economical hydrogen engine? Hard mode if it’s staged combustion.Vulcain IIRC is $10 million per engine. We have no idea what JAXA spends to build their engines, but H3-30SL is supposed to cost $50 million, for the whole vehicle. I would kill to see price figures for the LE-9 engine.
>>15152415$10 mil is becoming pretty standard for any engine made these days (SSME bullshit aside), although I hope that one day soon even this will be considered way too expensive. If raptor can be made for like, what, $2-4 mil or even lower, then there’s no reason why a BE-4 or an AR1 or an RL-10 or any other engine shouldn’t have a production cost of $1 million USD or less.
>>15152427Raptors cost significantly less than 1 million dollars. There is no way to spend that much money with a production rate of an engine per day.
>>15152427Pretty crazy how much you save by making your own engine. Imagine if SX had to buy RL-10s for its upper stage. I don’t think aeroshill would be able to keep up with the demand of F9 launches considering the fact that every upper stage sent to orbit represents an engine that burns up and needs to be replaced. It’s pretty wild that SX churns out merlins as fast as they do
>>15152414>>15152387Consider Phlebas - fine but different than the rest of the seriesThe Player of Games - perhaps the best oneUse of Weapons - its greatThe state of the Art - seems like I haven't read itExcession - I guess the backstory is fine but kind of forgettableInversions - Different, pretty goodLook to Windward - fine, I think it fell apart a bit toward the endMatter - the first one I read I think, pretty goodSurface Detail - havent read itThe Hydrogen Sonata - havent read itI guess I should read the three books I have left
>>15152432They conjure those merlins up.
>>15152450it's over, no flights in 2023
>>15152432>>15152427It’s a pretty huge shift in the grand scheme of things. People always thought you either build an expensive reusable rocket or a cheap expendable one. SpaceX builds a cheap reusable vehicle, which makes it even cheaper
>Actually, ISRO had an early start when V.R. Gowariker proposed the Cryogenic Technique Project in 1970. By mid-1971, a team had been formed to define a road map and to undertake the development. Starting with a pressure-fed semi-cryogenic engine of 5 kN thrust, the programme envisaged the development of a 680 kN pump fed LOX-LH2 engine for booster applications. Against all odds, a semi-cryogenic pressure-fed engine was tested for a few seconds before the end of 1971. The preliminary design for a 75 kN LOX-LH2 engine was completed. The shower head injector elements of a 30 kN LOX-kerosene engine was also tested at the then National Aeronautical Laboratory. The programme was however aborted with the demise of Sarabhai.Damn, could have been something, may have avoided copying Vikings
Bezos will send his goblina to space
I honestly don't mind when we talk about science fiction, chill times all around and /sfg/ is weird.Has anyone here read "the great ship" by Robert Reed?
That scene from Avatar 2 (pic related) when the interstellar fleet was decelerating into orbit went so hard.
>>15152440I loved Excession for putting the Minds in a situation where they were completely out of control. I dunno about Look to Windward, I felt like it ended in a satisfying way but I think I need to read it again to really put it all together.
>>15152462I love a good fleet shot.
>>15152462I rolled my eyes at how close together the ships were, but I forgave the movie when it showed the ships acting like sky cranes and just incinerating hundreds of square kilometers of jungle with antimatter plasma beams lmao
>>15152462> those cosine losses wew lad
>>15152459She announced earlier that she wanted to go to orbit lol
>>15152491>can't get it up
>>15152487>anon just learned what cosine losses are and has to mention it in every thread if he sees so much as a 1° vector off from a parallel
>>15152464the mind part of the story in excession was interesting enough I guess, the substantial portion of the book that concentrated around the tranny was not which kind of made the whole book meh, could have been much shorterI think the end of Look to Windward was kind of too obvious or something or something like "thats it?", not completely sure why it felt disappointing
>>15152497thats 45 degrees man
>>15152508If they have interstellar capacity, I don't think they care if they're burning fuel inefficiently.
>>15152508That's 5 degrees, aka a 0.5% loss
>>15152508It's probably warmer than that anon
>>15152512
>Ship 26 is a HLS demo missionBros…
What work does the SpaceX team do at Starbase anyways? Like what’s happening when the ship sits on the stand for a few weeks.
>>15152534>how does perspective work
>>15152585You must 18 or older to post.
This shot is so beautiful.
>>15152594It's been 10 years since last starship test
>>15150502I don't care if it killed a few dozen people. That shit was kino desu
>>15152585They play Quake
>>15152630That's not even the problem. It didn't have any redeeming qualities over the Saturn V. All of its innovations were useless gimmicks. It didn't improve access to space in any way.
>>15152487>volcano eruption>Ford PintoIf you aren't fucked one way, you're fucked the other!
GET IN, YOU'RE LATEhttps://youtu.be/21X5lGlDOfg
>>15152652Where is the pantomime?I can't understand what is being said.
>>15152652SpaceX is working on launching Crew Dragon from SLC-40
cute Russian girl asking about Mars
>>15152652lol it ended right away when i started watchingdid anyone watch it and can give a rundown?
>>15152677I started watching a few minutes ago>more Crew Dragons from SpaceX>>15152674When asked by >>15152675 about SpaceX and Mars, NASA said they have an announcement coming in a few months
>>15150404There's so many fucking weird proposals there zenit boosters are involved. Will we ever see reusable strap-on boosters being used?
>>15152682
>>15152674This is probably going to fuck with their ambitions for hitting 100 launches this year
Hop in, we're going to Mars!
I will forever be mad that nebulae don't actually look like big roses blooming in space
>>15152720they would if you had different eyes
>>15152720They do look, you just don't have the eyes to see it.
Ship QD retracted. We are destacking.
>>15152720There are, giant clouds in space
>>15152764And they would be considered a vacuum in a lab.
>>15152722>>15152746> if you had eyes a foot across you could see tha purty culurzwell we don't do we faggit?
>>15152783Well, I guess black and white pictures aren't real for you since it's not how your eyes see.
>>15152793Fun fact your vision is actually monochrome in low light
>>15152783reddit
>>15152793No, we do see in black and white when the light level drops below a threshold which is why you'd never see a nebula in color even when close to it
>>15152811>>15152832nice factoid i assure you it's false
>>15152832>you'd never see a nebula in color even when close to itIf its something like this, star shining nearby then you would for sure
CREW TOWEEERRR
>>15152869I simply do not care about SLC-40
>>15152813I WILL touch the hardware
>>15152876Mike?
>>15152813I hope I live to see this happen
>>15152874>i do not care about USA gaining new additional spaceflight capability/flexibilityokay
>>15152890Yes the ISS should be deorbited and the money reallocated to a permanently inhabited moon base.
Is the Japanese launch going to be streamed?
>>15152900Too bad the money is more likely to be reallocated to a permanently inhabited project.
>>15152850Not really no. The thing about diffuse sources like nebulae is that being closer doesn't actually help. As you get closer the light collected by the eye increases, but it also becomes bigger in angle ans so the light is spread over more of the retina. The surface brightness of the nebula is constant. It would become easier to see because it's easier to notice big faint objects than little ones, but it would never look like these pictures.
>>15152900The ISS should be crashed onto the moon and the debris field scavenged for scraps.
JAXA launching their equivalent of an NSSL launch today, might not even have a launch stream
>>15152918https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F96MpMmqxKoAlthough I guess we'll see what it ends up being.
>>15152926Not clear not watching
>>15152918Clear is the official JAXA host
>>15152932Imagine if she actually is for H-3 debut
>>15150268The vent might have been a "nominal" safety feature, although that can be debatable too, but was not a "per-the-nominal-timeline" event. Likewise, there is information now trickling that there are certain items to iron out, and another post-static-firing WDR is very much foreseen, provided the firing happens without a hitch, which is a very big 'if' by itself. Apart from that, people are pointing out how large gushes of liquid were seen pouring out, whose visibility has little to do with local humidity conditions.Also, the WDR can be qualified as successful based on public info, but we know for a fact several issues which were not so visibly obvious will need to be adressed before launch (details in L1+1), leading to the foreseeable WDR#2 - so certainly the WDR was not "nominal" in the true sense of the word: not any more than SLS' "leaky" WDRs, obviously for different reasons. As usual in this project, any noting of inadequacies is quickly brushed aside as doomerism
>>15152942That vent is coming from the tower. It looks like it's the line purge like with falcon 9 launches.
>>15152928Based.
Stage>>15152966>>15152966>>15152966
>>15152970terrible
>>15152970It should have been Electron or H-IIA 202
>>15152813First real Europa lander will be launched by Starship and have a dry mass of 20 tons, carrying 5000kg of scientific payload.
