can humans live on mars
>>15149940In the near-term it would be a socially isolated communist hell hole. Elon musk could spend his time and money on developing the moon with infrastructure and small cities but he has the vision of a 4 year old so
My uncle lived there from 2011-2014
>>15149940>can humans live on marsYes, but it would be a pretty shit existence (low gravity causes bone and muscle mass loss, radiation hazards, toxicity of the surrounding landscape, nothing grows, cold, windy..) and retarded
>>15149949To be honest I would be more concerned about surviving in an extremely hostile and dangerous environment then the social and economic policies.
>>15150073I wonder if humans go insane if they can see outside but can practically never explore the outside, the species is practically evolved to look at some distant place and go there just out of curiosity.
>>15150073Twenty years ago I would agree but now things in Earth culture are so poisoned that there's no way a Mars crew can be selected with an optimal survival outcome in mind. China is the only power on Earth that has a chance at establishing a Mars base that doesn't get fucked by Earth's social issues but they'd probably all die because some party connected sub-contractor replaced the pressure glass with sheets of baked sugar.
>mars astronaut turns out to be christian>won't prepare a ready meal for a gay guy>gay guy is the chief engineer and won't fix any machines until the christian repents and bakes him a cakeits over for america on mars
>>15149940No unless they can pretty much cure cancer in its many forms.
>suck nitrogen out of atmosphere and use CO2 for crops, pump resulting O2 into habs>get water from soil>solar/nuke handles electricity and heating>eventually steel mills and machine shops to handle most routine production needs>with starships carrying a hundred tons you can just carry a hundred tons of freeze dried mountain house meme meals no problem and feed a million colonists, maybe do farming laterTL;DR yes.
>>15149940Eventually, yeah. Not soon. Maybe around the year 2300, at the very earliest. More than likely later than that.Something to take note of is that, with our current tech, we can only send rockets to Mars once every two years. That makes the whole thing a very slow process, even if you have the technology to terraform or create a habitable zone or something.
>>15149949Elon Musk, communist?? What did you smoke?>>15150080Perfect for 4ch regulars, then.
>>15149940No prolonged time away from 1g would cause muscles and the heart to weaken and eventually they would be complete invalids unable to even survive a return trip to earth.
>>15149949living on the Moon would even be more miserable than living on Mars
>>15149940People are already going insane while living on Earth, a Mars colony would definitely suffer from mass psychosis
>>15149940the better question is: can niggers and jews live there? I think we should offer them a free one way ticket
>>15153614if you are going insane on earth you should open the window and touch some grass
If people ever do end up beginning to colonize the solar system, it will stop immediately when everyone notices that living in space is like being jail except it sucks more.
>>15153626>what is brittle bone disease
>>15153620If you haven't seen how much of an insane clown world this planet has become I don't know what to tell you
>>15153603One big difference is you could get back to earth in a few days vs having to wait years to return from Mars.
>>15153502Why would you return to Earth?
>>15149949>>15150068>>15153502>>15153603>>15153614>>15153626>>15153817You all lack vision, just because western soibois get triggered if they can't find their mocachinno en Starbucks it doesn't mean that noone can live in Mars or the Moon.There are millions of people in 3rd world countries that are doctors, engineers, chemists, that can be trained to live there and have the fortitude to be colonizers.Mars is a one way ticket only, those that go to Mars are to became martians, and they need to fight for it, they are not going to be tourists, going to take a selfie in Olympus Mons' starbucks for fucks sake.
>>15153849We already tried this experiment with the US (strong willed people immigrating to somewhere new) and now only in a single generation look at the mental state of this country
>>15153854NTA but you are retarded.It took over a century between Jamestown 1609 until 1775 when the Colonies could become self-sufficient, and almost another two centuries before USA became soia-ridden.North America (California aside) is not a very hospitable place, albeit more hospitable perhaps than Australia. Mars will be like Australia but more so. It will be many centuries before the latte-swillers take it over.
>>15153861point is it will still devolve into a schizo dystopia at some point
>>15153603How so? The psychological effects will be much less severe since planet earth, your home, can be seen in your indoor gravity stabilizing apartment which has air hockey (the literal kind)
>>15153866It gets worse than that, what about the logistics of mars? The moon should be a intermediate launchpad between earth and mars beforehand. Meaning this century belongs to building infrastructure on the moon
>>15153990We could do both if we can afford it. Say we get some standard mining, refining and manufacturing facilities to the moon. The most cost effective use of those resources is further space industry.It's going to cut the establishment costs of a Martian colony by several orders of magnitude in launch costs alone.It really depends how much people want it. Demand for space manufacturing infrastructure will grow steadily once it's begun. It depends how much of a share of that industry output goes toward Earth versus Mars.Growing crystals and metallic foams in microgravity. Easy access to an excellent vacuum. So much potential.
>>15149940Absolutely not with current technology, anyone who says differently is living a fantasy. There are no resources there that are required to support human life. We can't realistically send supplies frequent enough to sustain any population of people. I'm talking basic things like food and water, staying warm; materials to build habitats and infrastructure that don't become destroyed over time due to normal wear and tear. Not even talking about long term issues like low gravity, and radiation.
>>15151624terraform lmaoBitch you're living underground as a mole person in a sealed pod, if anything.
>>15153990The delta v difference for Mars and the Moon is minor and actually smaller for Mars if you're going for low orbit, perhaps to a supply depot. Obviously Mars is a longer transit so you have to pipeline plan better than with the Moon.
>>15154023Actually, if you dual purpose your industrial infrastructure you could move it from the Moon to Mars. Especially if you design modular systems.In both locations refining oxides is going to be the easiest source of oxygen. No idea why NASA wants to magic oxygen out of CO2 instead. Cool experiment though.A couple of dump trucks and a few cranes with a team of human support could track across almost any terrain and perform extraordinary exploratory missions as well. Such an arrangement could lift a modular refinery around given enough time.Imagine lowering a manned rover into a lunar lava tube by crane.I could go on.pgpsp
>>15149940We have to send the worlds ugliest man there
>>15155187c'mon musk isn't that ugly
>>15149940>get there>die of ARS/cancer