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So I got in an argument with a girl who I have a crush on about the covid-19 vaccines. She made some dumb statements about the vaccine. She thinks there are roughly 1 in 800 excess serious events among the vaccinated cohort of the Pfizer trials. She is quoting this. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22010283

Then she is saying that this 'new data' shows that young people didn't even need a vaccine because we were never at risk, and that we 'ruined the world' for old people. See data here.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001393512201982X

I need arguments guys. She is mocking me and implying I am impotent and braindamaged from the vaccine. Most of our friend group caught the virus and I'm the only one who caught it twice, while every vaccinated person caught it, apparently the unvaccinated retards didn't even have symptoms (she is unvaccinated and talking about finding an anti-vax bf).

Anyway how do I win this argument? These studies are trash, right?
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Tell her to take meds.
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vaccines don't exist schizo. take your meds.
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>>15148921
>losing a logical argument to a woman
how fucking stupid are you?
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you're a man and she's a woman. act upon your base instincts as a male and rape her for arguing with you while telling her you're infecting her with spike proteins
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>>15148943
scientifically correct answer in all fields
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>bait works so well it brings nothing but numales out of the woodworks
impressive, OP
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You need to tell her that the vaccines obviously saves more lives than it takes. You just have to look at all the data for overall mortality by vaccination status, stratified by age etc.
You have to find that data first.
The UK released some which showed that when the vaccination program started, mortality actually spiked in the unvaccinated! She might say that's just because people weren't counted as vaccinated till 14 days after getting the jab, or some other Qanon crazy talk stuff to which you should just reply that Fauci is the science and if she doesn't trust him then maybe she thinks the earth is flat. Idk, you are on the right side of history, you will win this argument in the end, have no fear
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>>15148921
>So I got in an argument with a girl who I have a crush on about the covid-19 vaccines.
"girl"
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>>15148921
85 percent of Americans have already hade covid 19 so the vaccine did not work period evin if it slowed the spread of illness we all still got sick just a little later in the year.ware is the 2 to 5 percent death rate I was promised a dead body on every corner people droping dead in the streets it was all bull shit the total death rate per 10000 people barley even moved.
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>>15148921
>Help me use science to win against anti-vaxxer
not possible
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>>15148921
>braindamaged from the vaccine.
If you took it, you were already brain-damaged beyond mattering.
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>>15149033
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>>15148955
This isn't bait. I need help.
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>>sci has no arguments because it has been overrun by schizo poltards...

this sub has gone to shit
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>>15149271
Well you do need help, but not from /sci/. You're completely wrong about what you believe and probably need remedial education or psychiatric help.
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vaxxinate her VAGINA with your PENIS
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>>15149271
Just memorize the Vaccine crisis manual provided by the WHO.
And just repeat it over and over again.
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>>15148921
Also ask her where she sees herself on the
> continuum of vaccine acceptance
To establish a common ground
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>>15148921
And while you do what I explained here:
>>15149538
>>15149540
You should check with The Science and work out the algorithm to achive the goal:
> vaccinate and congratulate
It is really important for The Science
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>>15149540
>Maria, you are eligible to receive your COVID-19 vaccine today
>Maria, now it's time to receive your COVID-19 vaccine
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>>15149540
interesting.
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>>15148921
you can't "use science to win against anti-vaxxer", because the science makes it clear that viruses don't exist and that the lethal injections will maim or kill you
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>>15149540
people with working brains are way to the right of "refuse all"
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>>15149033
>mortality actually spiked in the unvaccinated!
Wasn't this because it was during the Dec 2020 covid wave, so mortality was spiking at that time in general?
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>>15148921
are you still trying to justify with delusions why you killed your grandma nazi?
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>>15150096
It's because you're not vaccinated until 2 weeks have elapsed, so if you die within 2 weeks after vaccination you're counted as unvaccinated. He's being sarcastic.
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>>15148921
If you're gonna stick your dick in crazy, don't do anything more than tap and gap.
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>>15150796
Sound advice anon.
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>>15150416
>It's because you're not vaccinated until 2 weeks have elapsed, so if you die within 2 weeks after vaccination you're counted as unvaccinated.
Wrong.
Please be exact.
You only count as vaccinated after 14 days past the second shot.
Meaining:
> 6 weeks after the first injection you would count as vaccinated

So meaning, if shot 1 elicists some "immune reaction" that resembles covid, you have a 4 week period of counting as unvaxxed covid victim.
If shot 1 just weakens you a little and shot 2 gives you the final blow, you would then have 2 weeks of beeing counted as covid.

When you look at the offset of the Covid and the count as "fully vaccinated" or boosted...
You will see the interesting delay:
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/australia
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>>15151832
here a illustration
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>>15148921
install the pubpeer plugin

https://pubpeer.com/publications/67E0F21A314339B377BB5DC412A4A8
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Why are vaxcattle like this?
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>>15151834
Wow...
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>>15148921
Arguing with an antivaxxer is the first step to becoming one. Remember these simple facts and you won't have to enage them
>1. There is no such thing as immunization
Immunization is a well established antivaxxer myth used to debase a vaccine by comparing it to an impossible standard. There is no such thing as perfect, there is no such thing as immunization.
>2. Natural immunity
Doesn't exist. See 1.
>3. get more sun / vitamins/ / eat healthy, etc
Man's natural disposition is one filled with creature comforts and sacrificing those to fit in with a brainwashed antivax cult is not advisable.
>4. speed of soience
Wrong. The speed of science is not literally the speed of science, rather this phrase remains a metaphor for how science carries us into the future which antivaxxers DESPISE.
>5. soience is never settled
Science is settled, but not by people like you. Full stop.
>6 What about this data
This is one of their most seductive techniques, to appeal to your own personal hubris, as if you could make judgements at the heights of the tower of science and all she does. The bleeding edge is only understood by a very few. You will never know it.

If you have any other concerns, I will gladly pontificate.
For example
>>15151834
>hurr durr correlation = causation
False. Red lines in paint do not make a study antivaxxer.
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>>15151834
>completely omits COVID-19 infections
wow nice cherrypicking really impressed me
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>>15153298
kek
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>>15153298
This.
Follow the advice of this authority figure.
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>>15153298
praise the wisdom of scienceism
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>>15149549
Why do you post photoshopped photo which is debunked over and over?
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>>15153769
>debunked
Adding this one to my filter. Back to pleddit, mentally ill vaxxdrone.
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>>15153769
You can follow her on social media and see all her insane photos.
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>>15148921
>I need arguments guys. She is mocking me and implying I am impotent and braindamaged from the vaccine. Most of our friend group caught the virus and I'm the only one who caught it twice, while every vaccinated person caught it, apparently the unvaccinated retards didn't even have symptoms (she is unvaccinated and talking about finding an anti-vax bf).
She is absolutely right, give me her email, I'm unvaxxed, white and smart. She fits smart and unvaxxed, if she's white I'm pumping some kids in her too.
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>>15148921
This is bait. Really shit bait. Even if it weren't, you're not going to convince her of anything. She thinks you're a cuck that lacks critical thinking skills. There's already been a mental association between your semen and AIDS.
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>>15149538
This is the shills playbook isn't it?
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>>15149033
>vaccines obviously saves more lives than it takes.
How do you quantify "lives saved?" You have no idea who would have died if they hadn't taken it. There are people who took it and died from the virus.
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>>15149118
I think the shots stopped the spread of the original strain and put pressure on the virus to mutate rapidly. Now it's like the flu where there are different strains that come and go, but are very mild compared to the original strain.
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>>15149144
Bros... I got the vaccine. Do I have incubating CJD? Are we all going to start dying soon?
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>>15149119
Because science is on the anti-vax side.
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>>15153806
Yeah bro two more weeks and everyone vaccinated is gonna die
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Was this the science?
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>>15153902
Damn, Charlie Chaplin got busted!
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>>15149118
>vaccine did not work period
u are dumb
lol, im not even pro vax
hospitaliztions are down and symptoms are less severe
it doesnt inoculate people, but it definitely reduces effects
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>>15149118
>the vaccine did not work period
That's very true, it stopped a lot of periods.
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>>15153806
>Do I have incubating CJD?
Maybe.
>Are we all going to start dying soon?
You already are.
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>>15153913
>Yes, they lied about pretty much everything but they're definitely telling the truth this time.
Some people never learn.
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>>15148921
>I need arguments guys.
I need your crush, you can keep the arguments if you want though.

>She is mocking me and implying I am impotent and braindamaged from the vaccine
Well she is stupid then. The vaccine obviously isn't what cause that in you. It's safe and effective.

>I need arguments guys. She is mocking me and implying I am impotent and braindamaged from the vaccine. Most of our friend group caught the virus and I'm the only one who caught it twice, while every vaccinated person caught it, apparently the unvaccinated retards didn't even have symptom

That's going to be extraordinary hard considering you literally just admitted to being living (currently) proof that what they were saying was true all along. Your best bet right now is to go with the agendas flow like you've been doing all this time.
>She was "accidentally right" you see.
Or just drop her and find another like minded intellectual.

>Anyway how do I win this argument?
Whatever you do, do not have a clot or some other serious unexplained health crisis come up.
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>>15148921
>arguing
Nothing to do with science. Rhetoric is for losers with no skill or talent whatsoever, but it doesn’t stop it from babbling nonsense.
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>>15148921
First of all you won't win her over if you disagree with her deeply held delusion.

With anti-vaxxers you can't appeal to their reason or scientific prowess, because they have none. They make decisions based on feelings and that feeling is that the vaccines are poison. Trying to explain the complexities of the human immune system is like trying to teach a chimp chess. No amount of evidence will make them change their minds.

The vaccine mainly is meant to reduce potential side effects, it doesn't make you immune to catching it. And nobody knows what the long term side effects will be yet since it's a novel disease. Literally nobody, that's why the risk is so high to getting it without any kind of vaccination, the vaccination just prepares your body to fight what's inevitable.

If anyone has brain damage it's them because the unvaccinated just raw dog the illness and have a higher chance of getting any potential brain damage the illness has already proven to cause. I'm not aware of any proven link between mental issues and the vaccine. When she calls you impotent ask her if she'll fuck you to prove her hypothesis.
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>>15154012
This bait was so-so. You need new material.
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start by climbing down from mount stupid and realizing big pharma has made you swallow their cum and is laughing at you. developing a vaccine against this particular virus was never even a promising endeavour. ask anyone working on the field why they dont just develop vaccines against common cold viruses, its for the same reasons.
they would not have wasted their money on the development if they didnt know beforehand they could sell them no matter how ineffective the vaccines would be. if the scam shots arent as dangerous as that femoid makes them out to be thats still a pretty weak argument if they basically dont work, sorry
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>>15149033
>You need to tell her that the vaccines obviously saves more lives than it takes.
Exactlly, tell her to look at the all-cause mortality figures in the Pfizer trial, placebo group vs vaccine group. Very telling bit of information anti-vaxxers won't tell you.

There was also a study that tracked all-cause mortality by vaccination rates in Denmark you might want to look up.
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>>15154012
>When she calls you impotent ask her if she'll fuck you to prove her hypothesis.
Are you trying to give him advice on how to discuss a topic or get on a sex offender registry?
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>>15148921
you'd better hurry up and win this argument before something sudden
and unexpected happens to you
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Huk3yifWcJS0/
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>>15154106
uhhhh vaxbros...?
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>>15154395
I would like to note that op might have gotten saline or improperly stored batch
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>>15154392
Doing per 100,000 for both groups doesn't make sense when both groups aren't 50/50
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>>15148921
you already lost art life. the upside is you wont live to regret it vaxxie. your ticker is already on borrowed time
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crazy that /sci/ hasn't provided this guy with any actual arguments. does that mean her schizo data is right?
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>>15153902
Where is this? If cops went to rural USA, they'd be eaten most likely.
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>>15154012
the projection and retconning here is at levels never thought possible
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>it doesnt inoculate people, but it definitely reduces effects
KEK!
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>>15154012
>Seeeeething Big Government and Pharma shill
LMAO!
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>>15155966
It's the UK.
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>>15154012
>The vaccine mainly is meant to reduce potential side effects, it doesn't make you immune to catching it.
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>>15148921
you're wrong, and you should be embarrassed that you're wrong against a woman
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>>15156461
Tfw total efficacy
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>>15154012
noone knows the side effects of the new virus, but we know the side effects of the (supposedly) newer vaccine are very rare and they dont exist but theyre rare
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>>15149462
So instead of answering you just attack the whole board?
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>>15157156
ITS BECAUSE THE ANTI-VAXXING MORONS AHVE NO ARGUMENTS OR FACTS ON THEIR SIDE. JUST LIES AND DELUSIONS.
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>>15157236
Thready reminder.
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Antivax was right all along. I had been posting about it before the whole covid scam started, but I no longer have the pics.

There are people responsible for all of this and they can he held accountable by the laws of the nations.
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>>15148921
Give me her number. I need a new anti vax gf. Stay mad vaxxie
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>accidentally right
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>with a girl who I have a crush on
>She is mocking me and implying I am impotent
It's literally over. Move on
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>>15153539
>wow nice cherrypicking really impressed me
Doesn't matter.
It does not show infections.
it shows positive PCR tests...
Which are not wroking.
Because PCR is not a test nor is the test verified.
And even according to WHO:

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05
"Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information."

PCR is a aid, to "identify" something which has to be cross examined with clinical "expressions" of disease.
A aysmptmatic "disease" is not a disease.
It is literally unscientific and ignorance of "errors".

You would never say that a man who gets a positive pregnancy test or a non-pregnant women, is "asymptomaticly pregnant".
It would be a false positive.

But for some reason, or actually without any scientific reason, you pretend that PCR delivers a "diagnosis", and the test result will be used as a "100% certain" diagnosis...

Also the PCR is not working at all, you require just acidic environment, you can become "covid positive" via squirting capri sun in your nose...

What the graphic shows, when you look at the "fully vaccinated" and use the 6 week offset of "the first injection" it becomes obvious that the injections lead to death and were counted as "covid" as explained here: >>15151832
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>>15155840
oh no, it's retarded
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>>15157250
>longer have the pics.
yandex still shows studies when you look up "vaccinated vs unvaccinated" last one was done 2021.
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>>15157242
kek i made that screenshot, nice post anon
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>>15148921
ain't reading your shillshit, fagga
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>>15148921
>people actually falling for this extremely obvious bait
/sci/ has fallen far
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>>15158226
Any chance to humiliate vaxies and shills is a good opportunity to do so.
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>>15148921
You care more about winning an argument than seeing the truth. That's why you lost by taking the vaccine.
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>>15148921
10/10 thread op
Vax her in her sleep
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>>15148921
Tell ur girl to hit me up if she needs some of that UNVAXED SEMEN
>never vax’d
>never tested
>never masked
Doctors get paid too much so I don’t trust them.
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>>15149033
>says increasingly nervous midwit for the 17th time
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>>15158978
THATS OFFENSIVE PAL
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https://www.pfizer.com/news/announcements/pfizer-responds-research-claims

Seek medical attention right away if you have any of the following symptoms:

• difficulty breathing, swelling of the face and throat, a fast heartbeat, a bad rash all over the body, dizziness, and weakness

• Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart) have occurred in some people who have received COMIRNATY® (COVID-19 vaccine, mRNA) or Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. The observed risk is higher among adolescent males and adult males under 40 years of age than among females and older males, and the observed risk is highest in males 12 through 17 years of age. In most of these people, symptoms began within a few days following receipt of the second dose of vaccine. The chance of having this occur is very low

• Side effects that have been reported with these vaccines include:

• Severe allergic reactions
• Non-severe allergic reactions such as rash, itching, hives, or swelling of the face
• Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle)
• Pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart)
• Injection site pain
• Tiredness
• Headache
• Muscle pain
• Chills
• Joint pain
• Fever
• Injection site swelling
• Injection site redness
• Nausea
• Feeling unwell
• Swollen lymph nodes (lymphadenopathy)
• Decreased appetite
• Diarrhea
• Vomiting
• Arm pain
• Fainting in association with injection of the vaccine
• Unusual and persistent irritability
• Unusual and persistent poor feeding
• Unusual and persistent fatigue or lack of energy
• Unusual and persistent cool, pale skin
• Dizziness
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>>15160153
vaxcattle... im feelin not so great right now
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>>15156029
Why are UK people so weak and submissive?
Genetics or programming?
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>>15161640
They sent their best men to die in 2 consecutive world wars, then neutered the rest of society's ability to be independent with mass immigration by people naturally predisposed to a caste system where even cattle are worth more than they are.
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>>15161644
Guess that would help their goals.
Still, seems like there should be some brawlers and toughs left there, unless they all moved across the pond.
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>>15148921
Give me her number OP, I'll convince her.
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>>15161656
The toughs are the reason Brexit happened, as they didn't want to be part of a one-Europe government. Yet to see if anything comes of that though.
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>>15148921
It's over for you.
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>>15161758
Brexit in name only. It was just a symbolic gesture to appease the restless commoners until plenty of foreign sheep could be brought in to take over the UK. Then the white English and Scots will be enslaved or murdered and pushed out of society to a reservation.
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>>15148921

No refunds. Your crush is based.

Please find another jaboid on which you can spread your genetics-- refrain from contaminating the pureblood genepool.
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>>15163642
Unlikely. If the Romans and Saxons couldn't do it in 500 years there's no chance the Jews will do it in 1000. The British Isles are where empires go to die.
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I'm concerned that our best /sci/entists have failed to provide OP with any compelling arguments. What does this mean?
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>>15148921
she's right
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>>15148921
vaxchudcuckcattlebros?
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maybe we haven't hard from them because they all died suddenly
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>>15148921
Who cares? Why engage with this person? If you have feelings for her, abandon them - she is retarded.
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>>15164215
I was the first post in the thread and my argument was extremely compelling.
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>>15149144
I remember reading a few articles about covid induced retardation. Like some people who have had it multiple times are incapable of basic tasks.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-hidden-long-term-cognitive-effects-of-covid-2020100821133
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00324-2/fulltext
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/covid-raises-risk-long-term-brain-injury-large-us-study-finds-2022-09-22/
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>>15165613
I'm beginning to think she is right... those studies are compelling.
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>>15149538
>>15149540
>>15149542
https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/340751/WHO-EURO-2021-2281-42036-57837-eng.pdf
this is fascinating reading, thanks
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>>15165625
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2787741
yet despite evidence that cognitive long covid is psychosomatic, media will happily scare us all about it, thereby literally causing it
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>>15165647
how dare you you piece of shit the vaccine is safe an effective and the virus is deadly and long covid kills!
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>>15149033
>flies over everyone's heads
i get and appreciate it

>>15155840
eager to hear your alternative proposal.
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>>15154012
>The vaccine mainly is meant to reduce potential side effects
You're running on newer firmware. That was not the case in firmware v1.0
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>>15166775
Do vaxcattle get their narrative updates wirelessly? It sure seems like it.
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>>15165613
>she is retarded.
She has a higher IQ than you, weeb.
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>>15148921
bait thread, but why are you arguing against something if you don't know why it's wrong?
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>>15161761
>chemical-free food
>no emf waves
Hard to decide which is more retarded.
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>>15166997
why arent you giving me good arguments you piece of shit?
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>>15168031
Because you're wrong and most likely stupid. She's right to humiliate you for being cattle.
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>>15168036
fuck you. you have no evidence for your insane conspriacy theories. prove me wrong.
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>>15168043
covid is a conspiracy theory, retard.
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>>15148921
>say it with gril music
Brrrtney Spikes
Oops, you boosted again.
https://vocaroo.com/1y7CST5xOqxl
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>>15168568
That isn't funny chud.
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>>15168031
supposedly you have already been presented with so good arguments already that you have no response other than: "no, you're wrong I win." Like the other person said, you're cattle



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