May the blessings of Elon be with us all this Thanksgiving
>>15010661this is beyond gay even if it’s some weird post ironic post
>>15010663>>15008169thoughts on this?
I'm thankful she didn't RUD.
>>15010661this is beyond based even if it’s some weird post ironic post
anyone that replies to it is a newfaggot redditor
>>15010684thanks for the gold kind stranger
>>15010691Is the gold thing just a dopamine rush association device or what? I've never quite understood how they work over there.
Say hello to MaiaThe sadly cancelled demonstrator for Hermes
I am spending my thanksgiving alone this year
>>15010684FUCK YOU AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA STOP STOP
>>15010719For some, its loneliness.For others, they can't keep up.
>>15010740My first thanksgiving at Uni where I don’t fly back to my home state to see my family. And my girlfriend left me. What’s the fucking point. I’m sitting alone eating a TV dinner in a tiny apartment. What’s the fucking point.
>>15010657>recording looks much better than what Falcon 9 ever deliveredI kneel
>>15010740>they can't keep up.with what
>>15010663Haha, oops! I meant to reply to this post instead>>15010657
Daily reminder that le ebin starship won't be even able to orbit earth kek
>>15010774Just like Falcon 1Felon Musk BTFO!
>>15010753Get a better girlfriend or learn to appreciate jerking off alone after eating a TV dinner
>>15010775Tiny rocket = big rocketOmg!!! Square cube law btfo!!
>>15010780Falcon 1 workedFalcon 9 workedFalcon Heavy workedSaturn V workedSLS workedWhy wouldn't Starship work?
>>15010785You forgot>Starship didn't workAnd>Why wouldn't Starship work?Picrelated
>>15010785falcon 5 didn't work get fucked retard
>>15010788N1 wasn’t able to test fire it’s engines before flight. It also would’ve succeeded on flight 4 if the engineers separated the stages early. And flight 5’s vehicle had solved most of the issues, it just never flew
>>15010788>>15010791So you're just baiting, okay.
Does anyone else find it wild that most rockets don’t undergo static fires?
>>15010792>would’ve succeededWould've could've kekWe're about to hear the same about starship
>>15010753no thanksgiving in my country and i'll get fucked by a college assignment and 3 tests soon
>>15010801Cope and seethe
>>15010684Ok, I'll bite. How has SpaceX NOT revolutionized the space launch industry. Before SpaceX, America controlled 0% of the commercial launch market. After SpaceX came around, America utterly dominates the commercial launch market. Before SpaceX, America lost its own independent access to space. After SpaceX, America now has independent access to space again. Before SpaceX, expensive and low-cadence expendable rockets were the norm. After SpaceX, like 90% of new rockets are reusable and far cheaper for it.>Muh teslaqI don't give a fuck about tesla, this is space flight general, not automobile general.
>>15010785Starship as a fully reusable launcher may work, after a decade of serious development (so late 2020s) and maybe some mild downscalling.Starship as a rapidly reusable launcher will likely take much more time, Starship as a multipurpose spacraft is a pipe dream.
>>15010798why do you think F9 is the most reliable rocket ever
>>15010798Most rockets use solid propellant.
>>15010690Fuck you faggot, this guy deserves to have his gay straw man burnt down, I don't care if he gets (you)s in the process. >>15010799You didn't even respond to the fact that N1 never did static fires of its engines. You're retarded and you should probably kill yourself.
>>15010764I hate globohomo so much guys.
>>15010818>You didn't even respond to the fact that N1 never did static fires of its engines. You're retarded and you should probably kill yourself.And in fact was incapable of static firing, because the engines were fundamentally designed wrong to fulfill retarded Soviet design requirements.
>>15010791>a thing they never even tried to do, didn't work
Does anyone remember when this board made fun of SLS 1-4 years ago, saying starship will land on mars before SLS will take its first flight?Wonder what happened to those people kek
>>15010669A RUD would've provided just as much kino and useful science while also freeing up billions of dollars in future budget as NASA contemplates their embarrassing existence.I'm thankful that Artemis might still fail prior to the landing because 2 is a joke of a mission.
elon man good
>>15010832A launchpad RUD would have been kinopost-SRB sep, not so much
>>150108314 years ago, it was Falcon Heavy vs SLS. Now its Starship's time
>>15010698that plus attentionredditors are parodies of humanity who revolve their existence around submission to the clique that owns them, and this lets them get lead by the nose by whomever controls that cliquethe more they merge with the clique, the more asspats they get from other redditors, this includes screaming down and censoring anyone who deviates from the clique's stancethis magnifies upon itself until every faggot redditor is virtually identical in being an insufferable disloyal chickenshitno matter how long you were friends with them before, a redditor will not hesitate to ram a knife in your back if you are in violation of the entirely fluid rules their clique levied upon them
>>15010835The launchpad itself suffered a RUD lol
>>15010810I don't see why SpaceX will have serious issues with full reuse like you suggest, especially considering that even if the current heat shield design doesn't work they could just replace it with a heavier one and have a 110 tonne LEO capacity instead of 130 tonnes to LEO. Nothing that would take a decade, especially for SpaceX. You're right that Starship being rapidly reusable will likely take a while, but even with the keralox engines of F9 they've been able to get the F9 refurb time down to two weeks. I agree that getting Starship to the point where it can launch once a day is probably not happening, at least not in this decade, but once a week is definitely achievable based off F9, and since starships will be mass produced, SpaceX will still be able to put a ton of shit into orbit with the Starship system.>Starship as a multipurpose spacraft is a pipe dream.Why? Starship HLS is already being developed, and baseline starship is already somewhat optimized to be used on Mars. Also, once you get to orbit, you're pretty much halfway to anywhere in the solar system in terms ∆V, and with refilling that allows Starship to go to most of the inner solar system up to the asteroid belt quite quickly.
Today I will remind them>We face genuine risk of bankruptcy if we cannot achieve a Starship flight rate of at least once every two weeks next year. - Elon Musk, November 2021
>>15010698It's a premium account that gives you some lame special features.Of course, 4chong would never have such a stupid thing. 20xh4g
>>15010831SLS still ended up launching 6 years behind schedule, not as big an own as you think. Oldspace people love to complain about "elon time" but they do it even worse.
Why are people baiting /sfg/ this is unironically one of the most mild mannered generals on 4chan
>>15010848there is no way to sugarcoat this
>>15010831SLS is still an overpriced garbage jobs project
>>15010848Elon used that to force the engine dev team to work harder on R2 production issues. It worked >>15010855Somebody probably linked /sfg/ on some sls reddit or something.
its depressing how much lost potential there was in the soviet space program
>>15010848more like>if you don't work harder I will have to sell some of my stake of spacex for more funding.
>>15010867They deserve that fate for falling into a spaceplane trap.
>>15010831I remember when some faggots though SLS would launch before FH
>>15010869medsthe buran was not a spaceplane
>>15010853Not only did it launch 6 years behind schedule, but it annihilated all its launch equipment, meaning at minimum 1 billion will need to be spent rebuilding the entire platform to new specifications. Talk about non-reusable lmao
>>15010855i prefer this over /x/ or /pol/ retards ruining here with their bullcrap
>>15010841this post is somebody’s fetish
>>15010869>falling into a spaceplane trapUhhhh... A-anons??
sls-starship flight general
>>15010855We bait ourselves if there's nothing going to we we're conditioned
>>15010880>launches vertically>lands vertically>two stagespaceplane my ass
>>15010663it is quite possibly the funniest image I have ever seen
>>15010880>A spaceplane is a vehicle that can fly and glide like an aircraft in Earth's atmosphere and maneuver like a spacecraft in outer space.Starship does not meet those requirements.
"Starship is a spaceplane" still doing numbers all these years later
>>15010904It literally is aside from the final landing
>>15010904fools will always seethe at evident truth
>>15010904If it's not a space*plane* then why is the FAA holding it up? Checkmate spaceists.
I miss 2020 sfg, when you could have interesting discussions without huge amount of baiters, schizos, and doomers
>>15010904it helps that every time there's a major event like the sls launch the general picks up a whole bunch of new earnest regulars who don't know any better
>>15010907I am aware, that's why I said it all those years ago>>15010908thank you>>15010916shut the fuck up retard>>15010921I miss 2018 /sfg/
>>15010926>I miss 2018 /sfg/More copium to go around huh?
>>15010874it is confirmed minimum 1 trillion
>>15010886>>15010893actual fucking dumbass
>>15010933sfg didnt exist. not even sg existed. only /twg/. fake oldfag niggerposer
how do I put emoji into tex again, my brain is too small to remember>>15010933I just miss looking at those weirdos building a steel tube in a field>>15010942there is no difference
Looking into sfg history->pre-Dec 2018Various unconnected launch threads>17 Dec 2018https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10223076Initial catalyst, quadruple launch thread, first boca chica pics>21 Dec 2018https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10223076/#10230858First suggestion of "spaceflight general">21 Dec 2018https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10231408SpaceX GPS launch thread, staged from previous launch thread>22 Dec 2018https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10231408/#10235763First collective OC>23 Dec 2018https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10237471First Starship/BFR discussion thread, starting relatively unbroken thread chain>18 Feb 2019https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10399256First thread with "spaceflight general" in subject linesome other notable moments->19 Apr 2019https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10562453/#10562640First suggestion to use /sfg/ in general name instead of /sg/>19 Apr 2019https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10571535First thread using /sfg/ in subject line>1 Aug 2019https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10853630/#10854978First post of SLS is real copypasta on /sfg/ (or /sci/ in general)>03 May 2020https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/11632487/#11632831Creation of 4ASS>10 Aug 2020https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/11993520/#11994869First Krystal post>09 Jun 2020https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/11779749/#11780018First appearance of PROOONT-anon>07 Dec 2020https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/12425748/#12430004First appearance of the Zubrin sniffer. Possibly the same anon as the earlier Zubrin/Bridenstine/Elon hugger, (see https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/12270471/#12272728 or https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/12312130/#12313392 or https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/12501780/#12504116)
Hope you fags had a good thanksgiving.
>>15010950why do you have this made up as a copypasta
>>15010950So where was spaceflight discussed here before sfg?
Space is cool again
>>15010866SLS didn’t fly on time, just saying
>>15010908We won't have something like this again because the wamen will complain to HR>>15010950Do you know the first instance of the spacex will fail anon?
>>15010968not more than a month or two ago
>>15010956Generals are a new concept in 4chan history.
>>15010953he's a based lorekeeper
>>15010973/vg/ is 10 years old, de facto generals have been there since the late 2000s
>>15010973they go back over a decade and they've always been a mistake/vg/ dates to fucking 2012 my dude
Antimatter beamed-core ssto
>>15010950Do you have the rocket equation OP thread a.k.a. Schizo OriginsAlso how long has the moon cultist been around
>>15011031the moon cultist has been here since probably somewhere in 2019 if I had to guessthat bastard
>>15010978Anything after 2010 feels new to me.
>>15010831It would've if the government didn't place roadblock over roadblock solely for political reasons
>>15011106What's funny is that immediately after SLS launched they approved the Starship tests. It really is pure kino how right we were.
>>15010952But thanksgiving was a month and a half ago...
>>15011126You will get raked first leaf
>>15011114Didn't NASA also grant SpaceX another 2 billion for Starship's development like 1 day after the launch of the SLS?
>>15011114whatever but when will starship go?
>>15011114>they approved the Starship tests???they still don't have launch approval, where are you getting this? your ass?
>>15010886The shuttle is 1.5 stages
>>15010853It all depends on which schedule you choose.
>>15011142You know when.
Any UFOs in the Orion footage yet?
>>15010867>russia gets BTFO timeline>CIS/EU merger>roskosmos joins esa>esa becomes successor of soviet space program >has access to combined EU+CIS resourcescould it become a respectable space program again or would it just get bureaucrat'd to hell?
>>15011181By the time such a merger would be achieved everybody who was ever got soviet education would be retired or dead.
>>15011181I have no hope for anything new from Europe or Russia. I just don't think they can do it—their national souls are withered, barren, nearly fossilized.
>>15011181>CIS male space programcool it down with the bigotry
>>15011140Yes. They gave them their second contract for Starship as a moon lander.
>>15011144They got their environmental hold removed. They were bogged down with some gay swampland beetle and/or tortoise shit for 2 years due to the EPA.
>>15011185Russia has national vitality left but it needs to be separated from the international system for longer to really get it back. They were being parasitized by Western and Israeli corporate interests for too long after the privatization.
>>15011181There's actually a much better chance of Russia teaming up with India. The two have maintained fairly cordial relationships despite all of the recent goings-on, and India could be a viable market for Russia engine exports. Given the unreasonable delays that the SCE-200 program is facing we might see a play to replace them with RD-181s on India's next generation heavy launch vehicle. Russia is also pretty involved in training the Astronauts for India's almost-about-to-happen manned space program, but they actually need somewhere to go once they get to orbit if they want to do something more than just recreate the Gemini program. Getting involved in a future Russian space station would solve that problem. Russia did have a good case for teaming up more closely with the ESA prior to February, but right now Europe is too drawn into the western sphere for that to be allowed to go anywhere.
>>15011181>EU + RussiaIt would be impossible to get anything done.The EU by itself is already a bureaucratic hellhole.Even NASA only got the SLS done because the US government wanted to mantain all the jobs that building and maintaining the Space Shuttles created.I think only private corps will get the job done, honestly.
>>15010926>>15010933/sfg/ did not exist until early 2019 when some OP decided to rename the Texas tank watching thread.But maybe that's the joke.
>>15011200it’s fun when you can tell someone is from /pol/ with no real knowledge in the subject of the thread theyre in.
>>15010959>>15011217No problem with Snoopy or Shaun, but I wish we could get some character like a Kerbal or Wheatley to go on something like that in the future. Would be more relatable to the Zoomers watching.
>year almost overwhat are some notable events of 2022?>starlink batch lost due to space weather>ukraine war - viasat getting bricked, starlink saving the day>chinese space station completed>sls launch>dart's asteroid impact>starship launch?>most launches ever in a single year>axiom-1 - the first non-government commercial fight to the iss
>>15011265>most launches ever in a single yearI'm still absolutely floored that spacex hit a launch-per-week cadence for the year before the year even ended
>>15011265>>starship launch?We all know it's not gonna happen :(
>>15011265>JWST went operational>Juno encountered Europa>Perseverance finished the first campaignNot sure if those are from 2022:>Russian anti-satelite test put the ISS in danger>Parker Solar Probe entered the Sun's corona>5000 confirmed Exoplanets milestone
>>15011185>Russia>national souls are withered, barren, nearly fossilized.trust the plan
>>15011265honestly SLS, while it kinda flew under the radar, was the biggest event. but the fact 2022 had the most launches ever is the real story. the trend is clear, and we are going
>>15011201>but they actually need somewhere to go once they get to orbit if they want to do something more than just recreate the Gemini programThey can take their time about it. China's first manned spaceflight was in 2003; their first space station (Salyut-equivalent) was 2011. They've only done nine crewed flights. Next year, India wants to put someone in space; they could follow China by doing a few more flights during the 2020s, then ramping up efforts in the 2030s.Partnerships with private/next-generation space stations prior to this would be useful, if only for prestige/interoperability reasons, but not necessary.
>>15011278the asat was late last year, november or something
>>15011285>honestly SLS, while it kinda flew under the radar, was the biggest eventWrong, this was the biggest eventhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4XzEmbdtLM
>>15011285space hasnt been this exciting since the 1960s
>>15011244sorry, kerbals are already taken for boing starliner :)
>>15011289I suppose that's true. India is pretty much doomed to take it slowly no matter what given that they've got the smallest budget by far of any of the major space programs.
>>15011295SLS had more thrust than that. SpaceX stans like yourself are in tatters, shattered
>15011297What zero Starship launches does to a poor man
>When asked what they were doing for exercise Cooper replied, "I hold Pete's hand once in a while and once in a while I use a skin cleansing towel. Then a couple of days we chewed gum."
>>15011265>starship launch?If only
>>15011302Thrust is not the only thing that matters.
>>15011300Shit, can we get Wheatley still? I thought of Starship, but Gabe Newell put Gnome Chompski in an Electron so he could also go on some Rocket Lab rocket.
>>15011210Yeah this post here >>15011210 is a good example.
>>15011298Early-mid 80s*>STS felt revolutionary >Mir was being built>Voyager probes were giving absolute kino pictures and data every few year >European space industry was finally picking up
>>15011300Why is there a nappy-headed ho in the driver's seat?
Booster 7 static fire NET December 5. NASA HLS teams are heading to Starbase in December too. Static fire will be 11 engines but for 20 seconds to test autogenous pressurization.Ship 24 has a lot of work to be done on her insides. Raptor 2 is so powerful that they broke some stuff, hence the scaffolding. Don’t expect any orbital flight until NET February
>>15011316The voyagers disguised the fact that the US launched no other deep space missions during that time.
O'neill Cylinder faggot, you have ruined me. I was going through some artbooks when I saw an image and thought you'd like it. Fuck you asshole.
>>15011316By the time Mir was launched Challenger had already thrown a splash of cold water on the Shuttle dream
Is there a calendar of the future launches and events of deep space missions? I think there will be a lot of launches in 2024 but haven't catalogued them all.
They are STILL churning out articles about astronomers seething bros, makes me feel so good. Time to put your scopes into space rather than looking through a hundred kilometres of shit you lazy niggers.
>lands rooover in Gale/Jezero>2 scoops>discovers more about potential Martian life than 12 years of roversIt's not that easy in rooooving
>>15011375>about astronomers seethingI thought mainstream media had already decided that Ukraine was more important and that's why we suddenly and mysteriously stopped seeing complaints about muh night sky and Kessler syndrome?>makes me feel so good.It was also funny seeing in real time how Starlink's public perception changed these last couple of years. Shit went fast from "it's a scam" and "it's never going to happen", to "what about the astronomers" and "stop this now", to finally "it was thanks to the engineers" and "must be nationalized and seized from musk" lol
>>15011300>jeb on a nooseNO!
>>15011393>we suddenly and mysteriously stopped seeing complaints about muh night sky and Kessler syndromeThat never happened. Here's one from literally this day. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/satellite-constellations-could-harm-the-environment-new-watchdog-report-says/
>>15011320>Don’t expect any orbital flight until NET Februaryelon lied again
>>15011393>It was also funny seeing in real time how Starlink's public perception changed these last couple of years. Shit went fast from "it's a scam" and "it's never going to happen", to "what about the astronomers" and "stop this now", to finally "it was thanks to the engineers" and "must be nationalized and seized from musk" lolMusk's haters are so desperate to steal everything he makes. It's proof of his success.
is there any real threat of kessler syndrome in the next ~100 years? how much of it is just a meme?
>>15011449Kessler is so much of a meme it's not even funny anymore with people believing it just to spit on space development
>>15011463Starliner is gonna take care of that
>>15011449It's probably a meme
>>15010801>NASA in 2026 delaying Artemis 3 yet again while SpaceX still continues to do test fires on Starship engines
>>15011265>starlink batch lost due to space weatherForgot about that, crazy that that happened>>15011463Fitting that his patch has the KSP2 logo
>>15011135another banger brought to you by paint dot net
>>15011207we were spacex general for a few threads (maybe like a week?)
>>15011449please stop asking this tired question and just read the wiki newfag
I occasionally come here to be excited about space, sad to see so many people still arguing over tribalism when we are all one race rushing for space
>>15010670Thos is a silver spoon trust fund brat of an emerald mine mogul, to some people.
>>15011521i've been crying like a little bitch every night. why cant sfg be friends? it's so sad. alexa, play into the void by black sabbath
>>15011521>we are all one race rushing for spaceWe're like 4 or 5 racing for space, nothing wrong with that. I'm excited to see the Indians catching up, I want to watch their first manned flight. The future won't be some monolithic globo-government setting all the rules, it's more likely to be everybody trying to get ahead all at once. That's fine, it's how you know it's working.
>>15011522going from a regular rich guy to the #1 rich guy is just as impressive as a homeless man going to a millionaire
>>15011533nigga he was a couchsurfer before zip 2 was a success
>>15011530Can you explain me what's going on in here then? Last news I checked was SLS launch successful, then images of behind the moon. Is SpaceX launching now too? Did something happen to SLS?
Mars plans are still moving forward
>>15011551The plebbit leaker says no starship launch until February, but that it is extremely unlikely for it to be delayed further than feb, and that it will very likely be successful on first launch due to all the extra precautions SpaceX has made.
>>15011565lol. NET july, i can do this all day
what happened to the oil platforms spacex bought a while ago?
Why does Orion waste so much fuel trying to point at Earth? Why not just go into a barbecue roll and relax?
>>15011565>will very likely be successful on first launch due to all the extra precautions SpaceX has made.Currently the prime directive is clearly not to lose stage zero. This is why we're seeing so many booster tests and so few tests of things like stage separation and payload deployment. As long as it makes it off the pad and downrange a couple hundred yards, it could grenade all it wants.
>>15011473>that have been tracked
>>15011568They partially disassembled one in Brownsville port but haven't done much for several months.
>>15011567Why NET July? What issues will SpaceX face that will delay them to July?
no bucks, no buck rogers.defund nasa
I'm thankful for you fuckers, you helped keep my passion for spaceflight alive though memes even when I was being a doomer about my career. And now I work for the greatest company in the world; sometimes I still open up my /sfg/ meme folder to show my engineers. >the froyo flavors of the week are vanilla and dulce de leche
>>15011571Not only that, but SpaceX needs to be successful on their first Starship launch because it is a major HLS milestone. So that is an influencing factor as well.
>>15011581Do you think you will ever go up in a Starship?Do you know any other workers there who are /sfg/ anons?
I should get a job
>>15011587>fuck fuck boing urfnow that's a message I can get behind
>>15011587>vsvnwhat the fuck did jim mean by this?
>>15011587>corrupt politician from oklahoma with no science or space experience>one of the greatest nasa administrators in the last 40 yearshow did he do it?
>>15011594>how did he do it?no science or space experience
>>15011584>Do you think you will ever go up in a Starship?Yes, if I am not a husk by the time the company gets to the point where they fly crewed starships like commercial airliners. It'll be a long time imo and I work very hard; typically I get up at 3:45 AM and don't get home until 5:30 PM, and that's with a very brief commute that some folks don't have.>Do you know any other workers there who are /sfg/ anons?Not a soul. I've seen some posts hinting that there may exist other SpaceXers, but people generally don't talk about 4chan in real life. We're also often too busy to bullshit about random topics like that, but memes do pop up in Teams from time to time.
>>15011594according to scott pace, big jim knew how to play the game, particularly how to get bipartisan support for nasa, and funding by extension. his outreach to congress was unparalleled, even got countless dems on board for artemis, even nancy pelosi. made a believer out of bill nelson too
>>15011598Very cool, I hope you make it anon.
Nothing will beat the Trump and his space policy cabinet. Mike Pence, Jim Bridenstine Scott Pace, Greg Autry, Wilbur Ross. Bringing back the National Space Council, all the space policy derectives (includes space force and nuclear propulsion research), the Artemis Accords, giving NASA a true human spaceflight goal. what an insane amount of political progress in a short time
>>15011600Big nice southern boy is OP mode in politics. They can befriend anyone.
>>15011605The Yesident will demand to make a music video on the Moon and get us the rest of the way there
>>15011605the artemis accords and getting ESA on board were incredibly important. prevented whatever dipshit is next in line from just cancelling artemis
One of my favorite news pieces filmed at SpaceX. These guys don't even get inside and somehow do a better job of capturing the general attitude of what it's like to work there than CBS news. The one employee that they manage to stop and interview is hilarious.https://youtu.be/fY3n53YcuKg
>>15011608That and getting other nations signed onto Gateway. from an engineering perspective, it's not needed, but politically it effectively gets NASA and the world "stuck" beyond LEO. that's usually what NASA means when they say Artemis need be sustainable. They dont mean cheap, they mean uncancellable, in the same way as ISS
>>15011598>Yes, if I am not a husk by the time the company gets to the point where they fly crewed starships like commercial airlinersWhat time do you personally think that will be happening around? Late 2020s? Mid 2030s? Late 2030s? Also, is SpaceX is serious about the Mars stuff?
>>15011609Back when hard work for something you believe in was seen as a virtue instead of being "brainwashed"
How can I leverage my years of work and experience on /sfg/ in my interview at SpaceX?
>>15011616>What time do you personally think that will be happening around?My honest professional opinion is that I don't know. There are a lot of things that have to work in concert for this to happen, especially with starship being so large and so complex. A million things have to work correctly and only one of them has to fail in the wrong spot at the wrong time to cause a cascading failure. This is as true of systems of people as it is of rockets. Elon doing twitter stuff is worrisome to me, not because of what he posts, but because I pray he is capable of splitting his attention enough to keep SpaceX chugging. >Also, is SpaceX is serious about the Mars stuff?Taking all of the above into account, I still am resolute in my conviction that Mars will happen. It must happen. There are so many people here who would lay their lives on the line for the mission. Many do, by sacrificing their personal lives, sleep schedule, alcohol tolerance, sanity, and most of all, time. I have never worked at a place so brimming with motivated people, with so much accomplished by so few. The only way Mars doesn't happen is by some massive, external force, but that may only extinguish the company, not the people. The people who work here work as one, and I have no doubt that even if SpaceX as a company were destroyed, some other organization would carry the torch, fueled by the same insane people.
>>15011616> Commercial flights15 million dollars in 2030. Wasn't that the plan?
>>15011627>but because I pray he is capable of splitting his attention enough to keep SpaceX chugginghasn't gwynne always been the one responsible for keeping the lights on at SeX? regardless I share your worry, although my main worry is elon getting JFK'd by some tslaq/oldspace/crypto schizo. I think over time he'll allocate less time on twitter, he won't be the permanent CEO>some other organization would carry the torch, fueled by the same insane people.I remember reading somewhere years ago saying SpaceX is a Martian death cult disguised as a launch provider. I love that linealso, what's your stock compensation look like? I hope you're hoarding it like a dragon sitting on a pile of gold
has anyon, and i mean anyone, done an in-depth analysis of the recent biden admin cislunar policy document? anyone??? you're not gonna make me read it myseof are you?
>>15011652>hasn't gwynne always been the one responsible for keeping the lights onYep. I've met her, very pleasant woman. Complete confidence in her ability to steer the ship if Elon bites the dust.>I remember reading somewhere years ago saying SpaceX is a Martian death cult disguised as a launch provider.Stealing this for later use at work, plenty of folks here will like that.>also, what's your stock compensation look like? I'm not at liberty to say.>>15011664Reading is good for you anon, form your own opinions instead of having it spoon-fed to you by psychotic 4chan posters.
>>15011666>form your own opinions instead of having it spoon-fed to you by psychotic 4chan posters.so you're saying that I shouldn't believe that the jews will invade my house to steal my foreskin while I sleep just because an anon told me?
>>15011672no that part was correct
>>15011652>regardless I share your worry, although my main worry is elon getting JFK'd by some tslaq/oldspace/crypto schizo. I think over time he'll allocate less time on twitter, he won't be the permanent CEOI'm pretty worried that blueanon might try to kill him now that he took over their main propaganda venue (twitter).
>>15011666Seems to like Gwynne Shotwell might actually be even more ambitious then Elon, given she is on the board of that FTL research group.
>>15011689seems to me*
>>15011689>>15011691anon corrected his post's error but didn't also correct the improper use of 'then'no mars trip for you!but yes gwynne desperately wants to see what the fashion is like on alpha centauri
>>15011689I want to talk about the future of lunar industry with that woman so badly
>>15011689>FTLFTL will only maybe happen if we get new physics, and that will probably require new math. If you want FTL, you need to stimulate breakthroughs in those areas.But I think more certain results would come if we put our attention into sails and/or nuclear propulsion.
>FTLLet's not fuck around with causality thanks. Don't want some shitcunt globohomo all pervading galactic empire anyway, the slowboat future of millions of differently developing star systems is way more kino anyway.
>>15011699https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiJFo-kaJBQthis is what she's on the board ofsonny white (alcubierre drive) is also on the board
>>15011704>muh causalityFTL-based causal paradoxes are a meme
>>15011706Cool video but I'm tired of meme tech.It's best If we focus on tech that is in line with our physics and industrial potential.I'm not saying this for the sake of being a naysayer, but if you want to break physics you should first understand how our physics are wrong, so you know how to actually exploit this knowledge.Both Newtonian Physics and Relativity were powered by astronomical observations, so I guess a good starting point would be to get more space telescopes in order to test our models until they break.
>>15011695i'm extremely tired right now >>15011706yeah that is what i was talking about, from what i've seen they have made some relatively significant leaps forward in understanding the physics that could allow ftl
>>15011717they've done work on understanding the physics that would be required, check out their channel.
Looks like that's it for Starship in 2022.twitter.com/ringwatchers/status/1595952165369294849https://twitter.com/ringwatchers/status/1595952236269604865
>>15011717>>15011719>get two (You)s from anons saying they're tiredbros...am I the sandman?but yeah it's not an engineering challenge for the near future. fortunately we have Starship to look forwar- >>15011722 oh...
>>15011723i'm confident february 2023 is actually realistic. too bad it wasn't able to make it in 2022 though, two superheavy debuts in one year would have been kino
>>15011722Without Starship during 2022, what do we have left during these last days until 2023 arrives?
>>15011727Terran 1 could be the first orbital methane rocketLandspace's 朱雀二号 could also be the one since it ostensibly will launch this year according to nextspaceflight.com
>>15011722Metallic TPS now
>>15011722Fuck tiles, retvrn to shiny sweaty methane transpiration cooling
>>15011704>Don't want some shitcunt globohomo all pervading galactic empire anywayYou will pay the price for your lack of vision.
>>15011740Was that meme ever going to work?
>>15011746Only SpaceX knows I guess. I do remember reading some giga autists on NSF go for a few (dozens) pages doing energy transfer, specific heat, black body radiation calculations and all sorts of shit I couldn't understand but they did come up with a pretty reasonable seeming figure of methane needed from memory. I guess the problem might have been the engineering side of gorillions of tiny pipes and channels on the inner windward side. But then again looking at what a faggot these tiles are being maybe we might still go back to kino.
>>15011746no. elon had to be talked out of it
>>15011722The good news being that this means S24 is still destined for space, rather than simply shitcanning it and building a new one from scratch.
>>15011666i finished reading it. pretty good strategy i think, even references space policy directive 3 for space situational awareness. I recommend anons at least read the summary,really feels like reading scifi. we have the full backing of the US government to blitz cislunar space and colonize the moon and beyond
>>15011740>>15011734It’s not even the tiles’ fault, the internals of Ship 24 got a bit fucked because Raptor 2 is too strong and the shockwave off the ground bumped her around. She was roughed up and had her insides rearranged by the Raptor 2s
Starship 100% could’ve made 2022 for the OFT but honestly Booster testing ending up being more complicated than thought. Also SpaceX is really trying to ace OFT-1 it seems.
>>15011689Kek have you seen her comments on earth-2-earth? People think she’s the voice of reason but She often makes Elon look sane
>>15011714not a meme, they just prove that causality and FTL are incompatible, meaning FTL is impossible
>>15011821E2E isn't impossible, but it would be a logistical nightmare. Basically you would have to build copies of Starbase around the whole world.
>>15011880There is a market for civil e2e but big vtovl rockets can't fill it, they are too noisy to put in densely populated regions and if you put them on sea platforms you have to get passengers to them by some means which adds complexity and increases the trip time. A Black Horse type htohl spaceplane taking off from normal airports is superior for rapid passenger transport.
>>15011617>politicianThere's your proof.
>>15011898>they are too noisy to put in densely populated regionsIf conventional supersonic flight couldn't beat the noise argument then any rocket plane can't, no matter how fast it can travel.
>>15011906No sonic boom once you are out of the atmosphere anon
Reading a bit about the Early Ariane program, it seems they were very lucky the CNES and former directors of the Europa program had managed to bounce back quickly after the failure of the later, the Ariane program was agreed at the European level in 1973, a few months later you had the oil crash, and once elected Giscard d’Estaing seriously wanted to cut down the french funding of the program (2/3 of the total funding) but was eventually convinced by the quick progress of the program thanks to earlier developments, it seems like if the directors and engineers of the program hadn’t been so reactive the whole thing would have been cancelled with the oil crash, and Europe would have been stuck without indigenous launchers until well into the 80s at least.
>>15011522He time travelled back 30 years into the past to stage this photo op
>>15011731It'll probably be ZQ2. I saw recent speculation from satellite imagery that the rocket is at the pad now, and it has an announced date of December 3rd (in 8 days).Meanwhile, Tim Ellis was talking maybe a month ago about the possibility of Terran 1 getting delayed into 2023 due to range closures. I'd say the odds of that launching this year are very slim, let alone before ZQ2's announced date.
>>15012170SLS killed it
>>15012170I’m here, just don’t have anything interesting to post. Uhhh I guess I’ll mention Rogozin’s new book that looks absolutely cringe. Check out berger’s twitter
meanwhile, from a rover that's worked for 10 years+
>>15011746Seems potentially very heavy. What does a low weight, low volume transpiration system look like?
>>15010880/sfg/ may be biased against spaceplanes but I'm becoming increasingly convinced that the USSF is going to need a "space huey" light multirole manned orbiter like the Hermes. Obviously the booster stage of rocket it would be mated to would self recover Falcon 9 style.Hell, I've already pondered the idea of a 3 stage to orbit system using a lot of stock Falcon 9 tech. First stage uses 13 Merlin D's and self recovers on a return pad near the launch site or downrange. Second stage uses 5 Merlin D's and self recovers on a return pad further down range, and the third stage would be the Not-Hermes orbiter.
Come to Kourou, we have clean air!
>>15012249Imagine sneezing there
when virgin orbit launches from UK i expect an apology from sfg
>>15012240just use falcon heavy
>>15012240But if it's not SSTO it won't be like in Mass Effect.
Is a launcher still a ssto if it has drop tanks but a single set of engines.
>>15012357I think that's a stage-and-a-half to orbit
>>15012344an apology for what?
>>15012344I don’t think anyone here thinks it’s impossible to believe it might/will happen. It’s just a goofy uncompetitive system.
>>15012372for doubting him>>15012374launching anywhere, any time, at any inclination on Earth?
>>15012365Right, so like Atlas, but with the other "half", the tank and not the engine
>>15012240Kill yourself spaceplane nigger. Your shit is gay and obsolete (not that it was ever useful anyway)
Starship is $10/kg
>>15012408Do people here unironically think we'll always need rockets?
>>15012461there is no more economically efficient method to LEO. Even space elevators cost more per kg
>>15012476Do you have that crazy ass webm of the moon passing by as the solar panels translated? It actually looked fucking insane
>>15012478The one NG tweeted a few hours ago? I'm rendering a 1080p webm now
>>15012479Rad, thank you for your work anon.
>>15012479https://twitter.com/lmspace/status/1596114847200120840This one. I hate orion but this made my jaw drop
>>15011540go read the news, retard
>>15012357I'd count it
>>15012357By this metric the space shuttle was a TSTO with reusable boosters. Which makes it sound way cooler than it actually was
Business idea: put falcon 9 on top of starship
>>15012493>>15012484>>15012478I don’t care what anyone says…Orion is a beautiful vehicle. OldSpace may be corrupt, but it still makes some amazing spacecraft and launchers.Like, cmon, even some ULA launches are absolutely stunning.
>>15012494>space shuttle was a TSTO with reusable boostersyes it was? that's the simplest description of it.
>>15012503The drop tank was a stage I don’t care what anyone says. The external tank might as well have had the SSMEs attached. Once it was gone those engines did nothing and it was all up to the OMS to do everything else
>>15012484kinda ugly spacecraft. even starliner looks nicer
>>15012510That’s debatable but there’s definitely arguments for either one being aesthetically nicer than the other
>>15012497put falcon 1 in falcon 9 fairing and you can get to alpha centauri in a human lifetime
>>15012493BIG GRAY EGGlittle blue egg
>>15012497>>15012515Here's an idea: take an SR-71 and attach rockets on the sides.
>>15012466beautiful, i know many things are gay but god i do love urf
>>15012484Just imagine how much Kino we will have with Artemis.
>>15012484When will we have actual spaceships and not this ugly flying cock/flying clit design?
>>15012517no. attatch it to an SR 72 Aurora
attactch space plane to sls
It's over artemishillshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmR6EsQD1Kk
>>15012542but the photo he says is real is actually fake .....
>>15012542based boomer getting confused by compression artifacts
>>15012524When will retards like you stop wanting their bullshit sci-fi space yachts and learn to appreciate the rawness of real spacecrafts?
What did he mean by this
>>15012524The question is, when will we have real space warships?
>>15012556The moment China builds one, they are the kind that would make one for no reason at all, which would prompt the US to start working on them.
>>15012554Building gothic style architecture would improve the looks of any city. Sometimes, I dream of gothic arcologies, things like that are just too good for this reality.
>>15012550To be fair, it's true that capsules have barely advanced in anything since the Soyuz.They are not cramped up garbage bins anymore from the inside, but they are still the same concept.Hope this second space race ends in something big.
>>15012522especially Starship WEW
>>15012566I believe Starship crewed landing would be the big change in spaceflight.
>>15012559The US already has them.
>>15012586You mean this RC plane?
>>15012554it’s kind of a meme both between normies and architecture autists that modern architecture and city design is sovless. Normies trend more toward the “we need le walkable cities,” but autists trend more towards a fond love of art deco and gothic architecture. It’s just tism but I agree with it. It gives character to a city. There’s a great twitter account that posts famous historical buildings and how modernist architecture has demolished or otherwise ruined them but I can’t remember the name of the account
>>15012588>Normies trend more toward the “we need le walkable cities"Damn, didn't know normies could be this based. As someone who lives in a highly walkable city with almost every store I could need within 10 minutes walking distance from my condo, I dread the idea of living in a suburb where I have to drive 30+ minutes to get somewhere that isn't an identical copy of my house.
how are we gonna clapback oldspace after SLS-Orion became a resounding success?
>>15012588>Normies trend more toward the “we need le walkable cities,” but autists trend more towards a fond love of art deco and gothic architecture.These are not mutually exclusive. In some ways the opposite, in fact.
>>15012566>something big.No, we have to go smaller >The basic STAR was intended to be as small and cheap as possible. It would take only one man to space, and do it in Spartan style. The crew compartment would be unpressurized and was only big enough to sit in: the astronaut would have to stay seated in a spacesuit for the duration of his mission. The craft would have no hydraulics, or an ejection seat, or even landing gear. Instead it would finish its ride home under a parawing, like the one originally planned for Gemini. As it would usually end up on land in the US and was relatively simple in design, refurbishing costs and turnaround time would be kept at a minimum. As the lack of an ejection seat suggests, Redding was also a bit contemptuous of the safety culture that had evolved in NASA since the mid-60s, and spec’d his proposal to the test-as-you-fly/fly-as-you-test standards of years earlier.https://falsesteps.wordpress.com/2012/10/31/star-the-usafs-everything-spacecraft/
>>15012678This was over a year ago. Lol.
>>15012678there's no way to sugarcoat this
>>15012678That's why Musk is selling SpaceX to go into social media
They beat SpaceX to the Moon. They will beat SpaceX to Mars.
>>15012701But they rely on SpaceX to land on the Moon.
>>15012703Artemis 1 has zero SpaceX parts
>>15012706Artemis 1 has zero moon landings and zero astronauts.
>>15012706They rely on the moon lander variant of Starship to actually land.They granted SpaceX 2.5 billion dollars after the SLS launch so they can get it done by 2025.
>>15012708>>15012710But if you think about it, NASA still beat SpaceX to the vicinity of the Moon
>>15012710Just two more years
>>15012721Rocketlab did with Capstone.
>>15012721A Falcon 9 second stage crashed into the moon earlier this year though
>>15012721And the soviet union beat NASA to the vicinity of the moon
>>15012703>>15012708>>15012710>>15012724>>15012725>>15012729It's that easy in /sfg/ baitry
>>15012729And the nazis beat everyone to space.
Why is space alternate history so fascinating?
I GO SPACE FIRSTGIVE RECOGNITION NOW!
>>15012721Cool, Falcon 9 is launching a Lunar lander in a few weeks so they will beat NASA in a race to the surface :)
>>15012745Long March Xuan
>>15012748nasa landed men on the moon in 1969...
>>15012742What could have been.
>>15012745Shut the fuck up retard chink
>>15012753you just know
>>1501275390s-00’s space alternate history is underrated
>>150127233 more years, and that's more than enough time. spacex is shooting for 2024 as trump intended
>>15012742Because real space history is an almost constant disappointment.Apollo got canceled, the Soviets gave up on the moon, we got stuck in LEO for 50 years, the shuttle and its legacy was a failure, probes go around in circles for years for the sake of gravity assists, almost nothing noteworthy happened during most of the 70's and 80's. New space is our only hope to get out of this boring era.
Apparently Starship’s dev cost is about $10 billion. Half of that has probably been paid off by HLS and NASA
>>15012762>What if Lockheed had just said "fuck the Pentagon" and kept working on Venture Star anyway?
>>15012765Too right mate. I just can’t wait for the day an “average” person can fly in space, if even for just a day or so.
>>15012770The X-33 prototype was over 90% complete when the program was scrapped. Even if VentureStar never happened, X-33 would’ve given good data on metallic TPS, composite tanks, reusability, etc. Damn shame, all of it.
>>15012771Honestly, I don't even care about that anymore. I'd just be happy to see a permanent ground lunar base be built during my lifetime, and probes that just go on a direct route to planets like Europa Clipper was supposed to go before they gave up on using SLS for it.
>>15012773No way I’m invested enough to just watch NASA stream some nasa eyes render. What’s even the point
>>15012779You’re gonna see that before the end of the decade bruv. >>15012781It’s a 480P stream with some lady talking about GEAUX ARTEMESS and a shitty cgi render. The whole programme is a disappointment. AF.
Imagine a timeline where Musk didn't start SpaceX. What would be the fate of spaceflight?
>>15012782>before the end of the decadeI doubt Artemis will happen that fast. My prediction for a moon base is late 2030's to 2040's.
>>15012783Realistically>Commercial crew is Lockheed + Boeing> SLS probably flies 2021-2023. No real change here>Blue Origin doesn’t even build New Glenn. New Shepard is followed by a tiny orbital rocket (no need to compete with Falcon 9/Heavy)>Artemis program is cancelled because Lockheed and Boeing ask for $15 Billion eachEtc.
>>15012788>Commercial crew is Lockheed + BoeingNo such thing. Only reason commercial crew was ever a thing is due to SpaceX succeeding in F1.
>>15012736I am convinced, by this point, it's samefagging to get responses from people simply calling it bait. Every thread it's the same low hanging fruit that gets 5 or 6 replies. Has to be samefagging
>Only 1 Starliner flight per year from 2023-2029What the fuck?
Now that Artemis I launched, things will speed up, right?
WE ARE DUCKING LIVE
>>15012773LIVENASA to reach the Moon before SpaceX
>>15012817Too expensive to fly
ok i closed the stream. bored
2 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xNWXE11hUg
>>15012817There are only two NASA crew rotations per year and NASA wants to alternate Starliner and Dragon once Starliner is operational. That covers the six contracted operational flight plus the CFT. Starliner needs slightly more than six months to refurbish itself after a flight, so both capsules need to be reserved for NASA use in case something grounds Dragon. Even if there was another capsule that could be used for commercial flights it'd need a crew certified Vulcan to launch it since there are only enough Atlas Vs left to cover the contracted NASA missions. No one wants to pay for crew rating Vulcan just like no one wants to pay for commercial missions on Starliner.
>>15012900>both capsules>two>Boing! is just not going to build anymoreThis means DreamChaser will be the only viable small station-shuttle once SpaceX retires Dragon in favor of Starship.
>>15012893burn done, looks like 100 mph decrease
>>15012783>Ariane 6 PPH gets picked, Germany disaproves and starts funding some local newspace companies, Ariane 5 ME gets cancelled later. >ATV gets more flights, some low-budget program to turn it into a crewed vehicle starts at some point, but fails, especially with A5 getting phased out.>USA currently has no way to put human in space, however some Commercial crew equivalent gets started after Russia's invasion of crimea, maybe Dreamchaser gets picked>we get excited over suborbital flights in New Shepard and SS2>Rocket lab never gets the necessary investment go build to orbit>Chinese newspace company may happen, but not nearly as widely as IRL>Delta IV Heavy has more flights on the horizon but still getting phased out for some post-Atlas 5 vehicle (inevitable given the RD-180)>Indian launchers start to look quite commercially attractive.
>>15012913Fuck off sycophant
>>15012908Boeing will still have two (hopefully) functional Starliners. It's just that they're both booked solid until the ISS makes its big swan dive into point nemo in 2030. After that, maybe, but the lack of a rocket is still a problem. And it's going to be a while before SpaceX can pass off all of its crew transport work to Starship. There are going to be a lot of cargo flights before anyone thinks about launching crew.
Based NASA dabs on SpaceX
>>15012913yeah, b-but he did it because of his ego!!1!
>>15012900So you’re telling me that unless Starliner can fly on Vulcan, it’s going into the trash in after less than 10 flights?>>15012908By 2030, the ISS won’t exist anymore. >>15012912Honestly, most post-Atlas V plans used dual RD-180s. Unless someone developed an American version, US spaceflight would be fucked.It’s interesting to note that a Delta IV heady using six RD-180s and kerosene would be able to put 80 tons into LEO.
>>15012919I'm still saying that Starship should've launched first. What the fuck happened with this timeline
>>15012931Boeing got their nuts back. And SpaceX lost theirs
>>15012931Booster was more complicated than originally thought. Same with OLM. SLS was already fully tested by 2021, they just didn’t stack it for a year.>>15012932What should SpaceX have done, in your opinion?
>>15012918It's not just the ISS, there will be commercial stations.
>>15012934SpaceX should buy Boeing stock to remain solvent
Apologize right now.
>>15012940Sherman didn’t go far enough
>>15012940im so fucking sorry
>>15012930Do you have ressources and link for early post-atlas plans? I only became interested in it just before Vulcan was started. But yeah, American spaceflight would be uber fucked post-2014, IRL early 2010s US Space doomerism would be absolutely nothing compared to late 2010s/current space doomerism in this alternate history.
>>15012932>>15012934I really hope once Starship goes orbital this whole program can pick up its original pace and come back at that test-and-break mindset that once had. If the rest of the decade ends up being like this past couple of years and Mars is still 15-20 years away as always I might as well kill myself.
>>15012930I'm saying that the Atlas V is sold out, and Boeing only has seven Atlas's left. Boeing might have been able to beg a rocket or two from Amazon, but with how the way the other rockets for Kuiper are getting extra delayed that doesn't seem likely.
>>15012951It will, it’s just that a failure now will set the program back a year. A fully fueled starship stack exploding on the OLM would hurt more than a few week delay to test shit.
Thinking more about it, people get space exploration history all backwards.It's not that everything after Apollo was a downfall of space flight, it's just that Apollo was an historical anomaly and what came after was the actual normal progression of exploration.The US went from putting capsules in space right into landing on the Moon in just a decade, with a technology that barely worked and an unprofitable system. The moon landing only happened because of the special circumstances of the cold war. The factors aligned in such a way that there was the political will needed for it to happen.In a normal timeline we would have just sent satellites for some time, then manned capsules to space and simple probes, then orbital space stations and increasingly more ambitious probes, then finally manned missions to the Moon, then Mars. If you exclude Apollo, this is more or less what we are doing.
>>15012775>all just because of 500 votes in fucking floridaComposite tank was a bad ideas for it tho.
>>15012779If starship is even 1/10th as successful in terms of flight rate and cost as Elon promises you'll get much, much, much more then that in your lifetime, unless you're in your 60s or 70s or you die in a freak accident or war.
>>15012970I disagree that there is a "normal progression of exploration".Milestone make the public more likely to accept space funding and make more students and grduates decide to go in the space industry, which feedbacks on itself, without milestones the space industry could very well just stagnates to the bare minimum of earth observation and military communications.
>>15012785>My prediction for a moon base is late 2030's to 2040'sBy a moon base, do you mean a mcmurdo station scale large base, or a small outpost? If you mean the latter, that will essentially happen with the first crewed HLS landing. If you mean the former you're probably right.
>>15012951Future Starship orbital tests won't take so long to prepare, remember how SN8 took forever to be ready to launch and SN9-SN15 launched much quicker? It'll be like that. 2023 will be the year of starship orbital tests like satellite deployment, reentry/landing, refilling, and reuse. By 2024 the Kennedy Starship launch pad and factory will be ready and one of the ocean platforms might be ready as well, so the launch rate will dramatically pick up.
>>15012978Only if the world economy doesn't colapses during my lifetime, and the way my generation is retarded, I don't have high hopes.>>15012980I guess simple manned flights would happen early now and then, but it would still take a long time for that to develop. The mainstream does not like space exploration, don't fool yourself like that.>>15012984I mean anything in between those extremes. I know what Artemis promises, but I will only believe when it happens because it has been all a disappointment so far.
Astonishing how terrible the coverage is for the largest mission NASA has done in decades. What are they doing? Have we gotten ANYTHING other than a few hi-res shots?Kaguya was better than this and that happened fourteen years ago.
>>15013011Seems like they ran out of budget before installing the cameras and just glued some webcams they had lying around.
Why does it feel like Demo-2 had more hype than America returning to the fucking moon?
>>15013013There were people on Demo-2. This is like Demo-1. Artemis 2 and 3 will be similarly big.
>>15012629yeah, the wife and kids and I are thinking of trading our 4 bd/4 bth here in CO for a rented urban space with a 10 minute walk to a coffee shop, we want more bustle
https://www.rebelnews.com/antifa_plans_arson_tesla_following_twitter_bansSpaceX/Tesla mercenaries when?
>>15013016Personally I was Much more hyped for demo-1 than 2, but then I was down because of the coof and lockdown for the later
>Venera landersWhen will the next Venus landers come about?I’m tired of waiting for surface videos
>>15013057Only planned lander right now is Venera D, but I don't expect it to happen.
>>15012701>>15012721>>15012729they arent in competition retards. just enjoy the fact space launches are happening
>>15013060>Venera DIt's not going to happen, that's for sure. It's pockocmoc/Russia we are talking about. I don't think they'll even manage to successfully create the .pptx file, too ambitious.
>>15012762>Ares I the most baffling thing about this thing is the fact it was not only designed and approved, but also launched
>>15010666Eyelessly drunk at the moment and playing through the infinite warfare campaign. I forgot how good this game's campaing is
>>15013084Same but Mass Effect 1.Just driving around the Moon.
>>15013072We'll think the same thing about SLS in the near future.
>>15013089the specialist difficulty is so much fun, it's like vereran but you actually have healing items instead of automatic healing
>>15013057>>15013067I have more expectations for photos of the cloud layer.
>>15013084It’s kind of nice that gamers and the internet have finally begun to realize that this was an underrated game. It’s too bad it came out after 2 futuristic CoDs in a row and everyone was tired of it.
>tfw Arianespace managed to breakthrough in the american market in the late 70s at Intelsat just because NASA was trying to force the company's hand by trying to make them to fly on the shuttle.
>Starliner’s Crewed test flight will take place AFTER SpaceX Crew-6 launches>Crew-6 was the last of the originally scheduled CCDev flights for SpaceX>Mfw SpaceX will finish their original commitment to commercial crew before Boeing even startsWhat the FUCK
>>15013099who cares, SLS (made by Boeing!) flew first, cope
>>15013084>eyelesslyEyelessly as in a direct translation of "silmittömän"? That's how you know someone is completely shitfaced, is when they translate words that don't make sense in English
>>15013102leave finnanon alone
>>15013114or estoniananon, idk
>>15013114technically any finnish anon is a finnanon
>>15013118Hmm... does that mean that any space launch system is an SLS?
>>15013121And any Space Launch System that transports cargo into orbit is also a Space Transportation System
>>15013013We didn't return to the Moon. We did a flyby. Granted with the.most.powerful.rocket.ever. and a large human-capable spacecraft, but still.
>>15013123Huh, that sounds something like a shuttle would do, but in space.. they could call it a space shuttle
Looks like the methalox race is back up in the air
>>15013116no he's Finnish, Estonian has way more influences from other languages like Russian, German, and Danish
>>15012638wow, and I thought the Copenhagen Suborbital plan was basic...
Dream Chaser a cute.
>>15013158>a flying shoe
>>15013159Better than a winged dildo.
>>15013158It's not chasing any dream, why do they call it that?
>>15013165that winged dildo just spent 900+ days in orbit, dreamchaser will have to work hard to achieve that
>>15013170Yeah, but it can't carry people.
>>15013169It's chasing the dream of breaking away from your fatass mom's gravity well.
>>15013173Well it isn't supposed to carry people, it's a test platform. That's also probably why it's currently flying, since it doesn't have to pass the hoops of the human-rated shuttles' curse
>>15012742I remember making these back in 2016... I cringe a bit now.
>>15013213>space alternate historyIt's kinda entertaining, but I prefer speculating about the future instead, like think of that edited wiki article about the demise of SpaceX and Martian independence for instance lmao
>>15013226Not exactly what you're talking about, but I was reminded of this>The Martian Apostasy (also known as The Martian Rebellion, The Martian War for Independence, or The Martian Revolutionary War) was an event in the mid twenty-second century in which the colonizers and pioneers of Mars declared the planet and its population to be free from the control of the unified planetary government of Earth, the Jurisdiction of Earth's Workers.>The majority of the conflict took place on Mars between Earth loyalists and Martian independents. However, with Earth loyalists vastly outnumbered, they were typically forced out of airlocks with little resistance.>Despite the bulk of what could be considered Earth's forces being defeated within just two months, the Jurisdiction of Earth's Workers refused to recognize Martian independence. After much debate among the top Martian council, their leader, the Elon, decided to launch a counterattack against the Jurisdiction of Earth's Worker's to force them to sue for peace.>After light interplanetary orbital bombardment, typically consisting of boulders (often jokingly called rogs or roggs by Martians), and several ships loaded with ball bearings to decimate space infrastructure within the orbit of Earth, the Jurisdiction of Earth's Workers was forced to recognize Mars as a fully independent society, people, and planet.>Earth's moon was also seized by the Martians to act as a forward operating base against any potential further hostilities by the Jurisdiction of Earth's Workers.>Ultimately, The Martian Apostasy would come to be known by many as the rebirth of humanity and is often cited as the most significant cultural event in history.
>>15012745>Invents fireworks and rocket propulsion in the 1200s>Does nothing of significance with it for the next 700 yearspathetic
>>15013143They need to do it before Vulcan flies I would rather the chinks quietly have some record than BO slither in and talk about some stupid metric for the rest of their days. Imagine how much fucking gloating they will do if vulcans gets to orbit. It will be all over their website. They will tweet about it constantly. It will be extra gay>the world’s first methane-capable orbital engine™
is artemis still using these eva suits?
>>15013246>invents new revolutionary technology>does absolutely nothing with it for 900 years until they get buttfucked by europeanschinese history
https://blogs.nasa.gov/smallsatellites/2022/11/25/nasa-awards-phantom-launch-services-task-order-for-csli-mission/>NASA has awarded Phantom Space Corp. four task orders to launch four CubeSat Launch Initiative missions as part of the agency’s Venture-class Acquisition of Dedicated and Rideshare (VADR) launch services contract. The CubeSats will launch no earlier than 2024 on Phantom’s Daytona rocket.The new Astra-TROPICS
>>15013261>>15013275GET OUT OF MY HEAD, IM NOT SUS AAAAAA
>>15013213This is actually really cool
>>15013159We'll finally get a new "really big shoe."
>>15013213I feel like I slipped into another timeline when I look at thisVery well done anon
>>15013253China might be out of the running. They were supposed to be out in front; the rocket was on the pad and everything. If they're rolling back from a December 3rd launch date to a completely uncertain one they might have found something serious during a wet dress rehearsal.
>>15013213Let me guess: Falcon 1 succeeds earlier to SpaceX builds Falcon 5. Falcon 5 has a launch failure and is replaced by Falcon 9, except this universe’s Falcon 9 adopts a more New Glenn-esque landing profile
> Gomen nasai, comms are hard.You had one job, JAXAhttps://twitter.com/OMOTENASHI_JAXA/status/1594773202865377280
>>15013226Most prefer to look at the future, while letting the past behind them, I find the future scary and prefer nostalgia.One of my favourite what-if must be if the various early LEO constellations proposal, from iridium to Teledesic, succeed in the late 90s with no dot com crash, , on the back of Kistler, Beal, Scaled Composite, and a lot of zenits
>>15013178is this a joke?
>>15013272Wtf NASA literally awarding scam companies now
>>15013295more like denpanashi
The only good Titan is a dead one
>>15013327Looks like Titan had a gay ass flag, they probably deserved whatever they had coming
>>15013327>saturn is visible and even tiltedoh god the pain
>>15013334It would be tilted unless you’re near the equator
I wish I had the writing skills to make books out of this stuff.
Why is NSF forums so autistic about DIRECT? Dead idea from more than a decade ago and they are still clinging to it. Literally the ugliest SDLV that was ever conceived. There would have been public outcry seeing this POS on the launchpad after retiring the space shuttle.
>>15013370>Musk voted against Big Jim
>>15013384DIRECT seemed like the perfect solution for the constellation program. A lot of people had hope for it. SLS shows that it was never “perfect.”Do note that SLS =\= DIRECT. Direct planned on reusing the same production lines and tooling as the shuttle ET. SLS totally swapped that out. That’s not even mentioning how DIRECT planned on using traditional 4 segment boosters instead of SLS’ 5. Biggest is that DIRECT did not require a massive redesign of the shuttle ET to hold top-down loads. The normal shuttle ET had a 20% ish margin to it which was deemed suitable for DIRECT as-is. For SLS, nasa wanted a 40+% margin, so they redesigned the ET to the point it’s a new stage.
>>15013372just start even if you just keep it to yourselfwrite then go polish the text after
>>15013384Wat's wrong with it?
If you had a lot of money, how would you project your own private probe mission? Who would launch it?>pic somewhat related
>>15013386Someone should ask him if he regrets his vote
>>15013391>>15013396Yes technically it was supposed to be cheaper but would have required an entirely new upper stage with new engines versus SLS which uses off the shelf Delta IV upper stage. Also not using the 5 segment booster that was almost completed by that time would have been a missed opportunity. Without the upper stage it's no better than the Delta IV heavy for launching Orion into LEO. And Orion wasn't even close to being done anyway so it made sense to just take the extra time to build a proper core stage rather than cling onto the old shuttle tank.
>>15013365Not tilted relative to the horizon, tilted towards you so you're looking down on the top of the rings.Titan is basically in the same plane as the rings, so you'd see them edge-on (if you could see them at all).Saturn is also much too large in that picture, it would only subtend about 5 degrees, or about twice the size of Earth from the moon.
Good evening sirsPSLV rocket launch in just over 2 hourshttps://youtu.be/hHfDIMb37wM
>>15013423>Saturn is also much too large in that pictureThis could be made by taking the photo far away and zooming in, that's why the moon looks enormous in some pics.
>>15013425thank you, good evening to you
last podcast october 28.just quit anthony, we know you dont care anymore
>>15013372>>15013327this is reminding me of that /tg/ project i was working on for a mid future spess war game which i wanted to be fairly autistic and grounded. i should start it up when i get that 3D printer
>>15012701Not with those costs they won't
>>15013391>The normal shuttle ET had a 20% ish margin to it which was deemed suitable for DIRECT as-is.Sauce? I always shat on DIRECT because I just saw it as a smaller Area V/SLS, but if there was an actual technical advantage to it I will shill it.
>new glenn delayed to 2024lol
>>15013496today's froyo flavor is cumJeff had half of it delivered to his office
>>15013493New Glenn is never going to fly
>>15013493it's over B(r)Os...
Last one. Set 40 years after the fall of socialist mars, a new proxy war takes place on the desolate planes of Ganymede…
>>15013511/sg/ + f != /sfg/
>>15013499you're a fucking liar, that isnt the flavor fuck you
>>15013425ISRO streams are always greatawful sound quality, Hindi and English mixed at random, unintentional hilarity, 1980s-tier camerasjust full of soul
>>15013327>>15013372>>15013511where are the space mormons?I was promised space mormons
>Orion failed to enter NRHO
>>15013521"Come fly the designated shitting skies with ISRO!"
>>15013526distant retrograde orbit (DRO)
>>15013365>Orbital Inclination 0.34854°...which Titan is. The point is also moot because nothing should be visible through Titan's atmosphere.
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
>>15013538WE SPEAKSES TO BAGGINS
>>15012971Wish this meme would die. Composites are a solved problem. SpaceX just got filtered.
>>15013511>*plainsOops spelling mistake. These are fun. Once again, I wish I had writing skills
You like space? Name all 3000 exo planets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKs7rDhnANg
>>15013546hasnt BO been developing "the biggest carbon composite fairing ever" for like 7 years now?
11 Com b11 Oph b11 UMi b14 And b14 Her b14 Her c16 Cyg B b17 Sco b18 Del b1RXS 1609 b1RXS J235133.3+312720 b1SWASP J1407 b24 Boo b24 Sex b24 Sex c2M 0103-55 (AB) b2M 0219-39 b2M 0441+23 b2M 1252+2735 b2M 1253+2734 b2M 1258+2630 b2M 2140+16 b2M 2206-20 b2M 2236+4751 b2M J2126-81 b2M0045+162M0117-342M03552M0437 b2M04442M0838+15 b2M0838+15 c2M1059-21 b2M1207 A2M1207 b2M1510A a2M1510A b2MASS 0359+2009 b2MASS J0001+15352MASS J0030-14502MASS J0031+57492MASS J00413538-5621127 A2MASS J00413538-5621127 B2MASS J01225093-2439505 b2MASS J0153-67442MASS J0249-0557 (AB) c2MASS J0249-0557A2MASS J0249-0557B2MASS J0326-21022MASS J0342-68172MASS J0348-60222MASS J0407+15462MASS J0447-12162MASS J0459-28532MASS J0506+52362MASS J0642+41012MASS J0718-64152MASS J0809+44342MASS J0951-80232MASS J10475385+21242342MASS J11011926-7732383 A2MASS J11011926-7732383 B2MASS J1119-1137 b2MASS J1155-7919 b2MASS J1219+31282MASS J1450-7841 A2MASS J1450-7841 B2MASS J15344984-2952274 A2MASS J15344984-2952274 B2MASS J1551+09412MASS J155947+440359 b2MASS J1647+56322MASS J1741-46422MASS J18071593+50153162MASS J2002-05212MASS J2117-29402MASS J2154-10552MASS J2206+33012MASS J2206-42172MASS J2250+2325 b2MASS J2322-61512MASS J2343-36462MASSW J2208136+292121
>>15013571>24 Boo b>24 Sex cgross...pervy astronomers?
>>15013562They've only finished one half lmaohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaEYpzSu8Ck
>>15013552I thought it was 5000
>>150135713 Cnc b,38 Vir b,4 Uma b,44 Uma b,47 Uma b,47 Uma c,47 Uma d,51 Eri b,51 Peg b,55 Cnc b,55 Cnc c,55 Cnc d,55 Cnc e,55 Cnc f,6 Lyn b,61 Vir b,61 Vir c,61 Vir d,7 CMA c,7 CMa b,70 Vir b,75 Cet b,8 Umi b,81 Cet b,91 Aqr b,AB Aur b,AB Dor C b,AB Pic b,AD 3116 b,AS 205 A b,ASASSN-16kr b,ASASSN-17jf b,AU Mic b,AU Mic c,BD+03 2562 b,BD+14 4559 b,BD+15 2375 b,BD+15 2940 b,BD+20 2457 b,BD+20 2457 c,BD+20 274 b,BD+20 594 b,BD+24 4697 b,BD+26 1888 b,BD+45 564 b,BD+48 738 b,BD+48 740 b,BD+49 828 b,BD+55 362 b,BD+60 1417 b,BD+63 1405 b,BD-00 4475 b,BD-06 1339 c,BD-06 1339 d,BD-08 2823 b,BD-08 2823 c,BD-10 3166 b,BD-11 4672 b,BD-11 4672 c,BD-17 63 b,BLG-1691L b,CD Cet b,CD-35 2722 b,CFBD 1458 B,CFBDS 1458 A,CFBDS0059,CFBDSIR
>>15013549The orbital planes of Ganymede, desolate due to becoming graveyards for men and spacecraft, and desolate after all the debris (concentrated along the most optimal orbits and trajectories) forces a halt to most traffic through them. "Planes" still works.
GOOD MORNING SERShttps://youtu.be/hHfDIMb37wM
>>15013603the chat is funni
well I loaded an exoplanet dataset so here's some exoplanet stats:Average mass: 6.426 JupitersAverage direct measure temperature: 1692.76Kmin temperature:84.0KAverage calculated temperature: 1038.063KAverage radius:0.43 Jupiters
>>15013615too bad the data suffers heavily from observation bias.
>>15013603stream started but what is the countdown now?
>>1501362020 minutes or so
>>15013615average distance from us: 2268ly
>>15013620Sounds like T-18 minutes. (11:56 AM India Time/GMT+5:30).
All the best for india. good india good idea
>>15013638They've set up good collaborations.
Inserting the second stage into the stack.
PSLV and the GSLV family make use of a refit version of the European Viking engine, which first flew in the 70’s on Ariane 1
>>15013644isro better than nasa
Mating the halves of the payload fairing.
PSLV assembled with four minutes to go.
3.000 visitor capacity launch gallery with 7.000 watching the launch currently. 22.000 watching the Youtube stream.
Can I get an Indian gf as a white guy
>countdown fart noise
>we should get some good views if the broadcaster does not mess up this time
>Solid core stage surrounded by solid boosters Kino
>>15013662Imagine the smell
Holy shit that stream is terrible
Stream is back to normalwhy did it take so long to be fixed?
ISRO producing modern art.
>>15013682Looks fine now.
>>15013683India's best coders are working in the US
Who is filming the rocket?
PSLV is a weird fucking rocket
>>15013689Its like scientists python codebase. It works. But.
Third stage separated.
>>15013696they clearly said "turd" stage
>>15013689I've come to think of it as as a two stage rocket, but each stage is itself composed of two stages: a solid stage to give it oomph, and a liquid stage to make up for the solid stage's inaccuracy.
these pictures don't look fake at all
They are streaming footage of a screen which shows payload separation instead of directly inserting the footage into the stream.
Do you think it would be easier for a non-American to make it into the Indian space program, because of no ITAR?
>>15013666you don’t want one. they are all either delusional, retarded, pampered, tribalistic in the extreme or some ungodly combination. and that’s not including dealing with your new insane control freak in laws.
>>15013712No they have their own form of ITAR
>>15013712the smart Indians are in our space program
Mission successful. Cue celebratory speeches. A wild pirate appears. Woman is speaking about what the satellite EOS-06 will accomplish.
>>15013718Kaz…I’m already a Brahman…
>>15013712No. Everyone has equivalent policies; it's a highly sensitive area.
>>15012683>This was over a year ago.>Still waiting on environmental reviewKek
>>15013730Blame SpaceX. FAA needs data from the full 33 engine static fire and the full stack WDR. Same thing happened with the SN8 prototypes - FAA approval came after all the tests were done
>>15013714i can change her
>>15013732No it's biden/faa stopping spacex
Thank you India
POO JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE
Inshallah payload will survive
>>15013724Kek that bird got tandoori’d
satellite separations in progress
>>15013789windows 3.1 lookin shit
All sats sep; mission complete
It’s that easy in reusabilitry
>>15013261No. It got -ACKed in favour of an Axiom contract a few months ago. Despite the fact that a major Perseverance demonstrator was a fabric palette for that suit.Lol nasa sucks
>>15013810how does this work? at least they're being creative.
>>15013165If only Boeing wasn't so incompetent and corrupt.
>>15013810why is there an orphaned engine firing in the middle of the sky?
>>15013399High atmosphere Venus explorer or Titan lander
Ship 24 is badly damaged, expect more delays
>>15013872Damaged from what?
>>150138836 engine static fireraptor 2 powerful
>>15013888>>15013886This can be sugarcoated right? Even if S24 has to be replaced by S25, at least it seems like the Raptors are good; right?
>>15013907I'm not sure how sugar can help against stress from static fire.
>>15013571>>15013595>astroonomymake your own thread
Raptors too powerful, destroying everything around it.
>>15013888Why does elon the nigger not do expendable starship for a while?
>>15013917S26 and S27 are most likely expendable. They have no tiles or flaps.
>>15013915How do they fix this problem? Please sugarcoat this for me.
>>15013921Dig a really deep hole below
>>15013930So they use the boring company to dig a giant exhaust tunnel to the FAA HQ?
with the PSLV launch, let’s celebrate with roger vignelles, the father of the Viking, and therefore Vikas engine!
>>15013972>He's a spaceplanefagBased
>>15013615>Average mass: 6.426 JupitersWhy is everything so damn fat?
>>15014016it's easier to see the fat ones
>>15014016sounds like the real question is why is everything in our solar system so small?
>>15013981The fathers of Ariane (at least post-Europa Ariane), guys like D’Astelles, Vignelles, Sillard we’re actually quite bullish on reuse, the shuttle and spacecrafts, many felt the Hermes program as a mistake and something that was imposed to them. After all D’astelle and Vignelles has already laid out the entire Ariane 1-5 plan as early as 1979, with Ariane 5 initially meant as an upscale Ariane 4 with a cryogenic instead of hyperbolic middle stage, but that was changed to the design we know because of Hermes (along with some additional guidance problems and difficulty of adding a 9th Viking engine)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tQ6OTJdhnshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYVZh5kqaFgso how long before terminal guidance becomes public knowledge and easily achievable? also i think joe opened a can of worms with these two videos
>>15014117>so how long before terminal guidance becomes public knowledge and easily achievable? >also i think joe opened a can of worms with these two videosCould you elaborate?
>>15013546Hurr do something harder, make reuse impossible, for less payloadBeautiful idea
>>15014125watch the second video
>>15014117ICBMs are a human right. This knowledge belongs to all mankind. <3
>>15014036yeah, there was this thing that never got the green light it deserved
>>15014192Sadly, arianespace has always been obsessed with modularity from the 70s to today, with A5 being the one exception to the rule, and even the many regretted it even at A5’s peak of market share, you can go back to ~2009 preliminary reports on A6, it was all about modularity, a monolithic reusable first stage is against their core design principle.
>>15014192>Ariane Xthey're only on 6 right now, give them some time
Reminder, SpaceX will create their own military on Mars. Self sufficiency/independence/defense is the goal of Mars colony
>>15014226What happens when a corporation becomes its own government? Does it cease to be a corporation? Would it be a form of socialism since everyone would be employed by the government?
>>15014234In effect, corporations who offer stock options are already basically socialism in practice because its workers owning a means to their work.
>>15014234>What happens when a corporation becomes its own government?
>>15014237Did this company end up going bust, or are tangentially-related subsidiaries and budded branch companies still around today which trace lineage back to the East India Co.? >>15014234>What happens when a corporation becomes its own government?Is that the bundle of sticks one? I think it's the bundle of sticks one.
>>15014240The company was the effective governemnt in British-controlled India for over a century. It wasn't an especially effective governemnt and had constant financial troubles, which led to it being gutted and nationalized by parliament and its remainders absorbed into the British Raj.
>>15014234>What happens when a corporation becomes its own government? Look up the kongsi of Borneo.
>>15014226They will not let him.
>>15014134lmao, so that's why I couldn't find how exactly missiles work
>>15014275Why can't they just bring it to high/widebay?>>15014117>>15014270Another thing, why didn't they build a plane, or add more control surfaces to the missile? It would be able to glide to the landing zone. It doesn't seem like those guys are very low on money.
>>15014278starship is a big unit, damn
>>15014240Faggotry?So it won't change anything?
how do they pin the tiles on anyways? isn't the tank flush with the 'skin' meaning any mounting holes they make puncture it? or is there a gap to pass stuff through (and if there is why do they have an external runway for wires)
>>15014292mechanical latching plus glue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pigwLELjaVwintegza did another rocket videohe even made an ammonium perchlorate rocketit will probably get removed shortly since he put the way to make black powder in the video, oh and smokeless powder too
>>15014284Other ships in there
>>15014275is starship back at the launch pad?
gateway's view will be boring compared to the iss
where are starships radiators? doesnt it need them?
>>15014298just downloaded the video. gonna be making some powder this month
>>15014292There are springy pins that they snap them onto
https://youtu.be/nJhJyZo6h38new inspiring video nasa posted today
>>15014314RIP to all the starships that are going to explode on return in the first few years of testing I guess
>>15014308I don't know about that, being on a space station and NOT seeing Earth taking up most of the view through the porthole will be a new experience for astronauts.
>>15014315Why didn't they show the lander?
>>15014315that was all clips from the Artemis 1 launch coverage
>>15014316all of them will survive. spacex are just wussy
>>15014265They will not matter.
>>15014323it is supposed to sell the artemis program
>>15013911there is no space exploration without space you retard