Live streams from the fucking moon editionPrevious: >>15004198
>>15007265It's all CGI, anon; everyone knows that's no moon.
Are they intentionally trashing lots of Falcon 9 rockets so they can switch to Starship by lowering the availability of the Falcons?
oh man this is kino
>>15007281The next Shelby
>two years for next Artemis missionFeels boring when you know for sure that nothing is going to happen in a long time. At least with SpaceX you can keep anticipating the test flight since nobody knows when it's going to finally happen
nice launch! I guess Eutelsat sacrificed more goats to the weather gods than NASA today.
>>15007281The newer the Falcon 9 the easier it is to refurbish due to micro-iterations
>>15005467Gateway is a trojan horse to build a prototype manned interplanetary cruiser capable of round trips, while Starship (cool as it is) can only come home from Mars if it refuels on site.>>15005843Holy shit I did not realize the belt was that sparse or the moon was that big.
>>15007281They're doing it because they've got some older rockets they didin't mind expending and they had a few customers that were willing to pay extra to get a bit more performance for their payloads.
>>15007304It’s not though. Gateway can only sustain crew for 90 days when fully completed. Each of those modules is the size of a Cygnus
>>15007265Geee Bill two spacecraft?
space rat status: blasted!
Shouldn't ESA-fags be seething that an EUSat launch went up on a Falcon?
>>15007342Hans seethes every time Americans do something in space that the EUropeans cannot, and on top of this, he is freezing this winter because of certain events. Must suck to live in such a shithole state, where he can't even express his anger about American rockets because hassposts are monitored by his government and punishable by imprisonment. Lol!
>he posts it>againGotta work harder for them (You)'s son
Oh, that was the Earth Orion was pointing the camera at for all that time.
SpaceX went from flying 2 Falcon 9’s per year in 2012 to almost 60 per year 9 years later. Absolutely insane.50 Falcon 9 launches at 16 tons of payload each (max recoverable) is 800 tons into LEO. That’s over 8 SLS launches. Crazy.
>>15007356Well at least now we've confirmed he is German hahahahahaha
>>15007362duh, moon looks like
>>15007372Not now. Earlier.
>>15007265>no link to the live Orion stream in OPOne jobhttps://go.nasa.gov/artemislive
>>15007367wowhalf a cubic hectoaunch per year
>>15007374Yeah I know, I posted it looking at Earth >>15007318
Orion just doing its thing
>>15007386>>15007389back to >>>/lgbt/
>>15007395back to >>>/y/
>>15007304Would a cruiser like that only let the astronauts stay on Mars for a month? And can't Starship refuel with another SS in orbit around Mars?
>>15007304Not the anon you were replying to, and I get your point given Maxar’s PPE was originally supposed to be used for an actual ferry, but I don’t see NASA ever realistically using gateway for anything other than just sitting in NRHO and doing occasional correction burns
So, too lazy or too cheap to glue some LEDs to the stage walls?
>>15007440kino, absolute fucking kino
>>15007440This is proof that space isn't fake.If space footage was CGI/special effects, it wouldn't look this awkward.
>>15007516*may contain styrofoam or hydrazine
>>15007515I can’t deny that this is fucking kino
>>15007438o mai gaaaaaaaa
Can’t even get the HQ versions, why even live
different cam of earthrise
I really hope Gateway will stream the Moon and Earth like they do with the ISS.
>>15007594Chinese EVAs must be an orgasmic experience the way they have visors above the head
>>15007315>muh modulesADD BIGGER MODULES THENffs
>>15007749breathing pure oxygen would also contribute to that feeling, especially for a chinese who spent their life in the equivalent of a closed garage with a running engine in it
>>15007304>Holy shit I did not realize the belt was that sparse or the moon was that big.the moon is god damn gigantic, it's a treasure trove sitting in plain sight
>>15007792The Moon is the 5th largest moon and 14th largest body in the Solar System.
>>15007304>Gateway is a trojan horse to build a prototype manned interplanetary cruiser capable of round trips, while Starship (cool as it is) can only come home from Mars if it refuels on site.More and more posts on this general read like they came straight out of Reddit. Kill yourself my man.
>>15007389>>15007386is this some tranny thing?
>>15007823correct that anon then, retard
>>15007837Correct what, he's just a fucking Reddit nigger who needs to go back.
>>15007386>>15007389>>15007395>>15007404The fact that you know whatever this is and are linking each other degenerate boards is a strong signal that you should just fucking kill yourselves.
So Iris2 is getting the greenlight, a European LEO internet constellation for sovereign interest... Cost 6 billio.Why the FUCK couldn’t they just nationalise OneWeb????
>>15007867Why are you so rude?
France, Italy and Germany announced at the ESA council that they were going to renegotiate the Georeturn system (proportional industrial contract based on a country’s participation in the esa), could be good for the long term.
What will Martian buggies look like? Will they have pressurized cabins?
i didn't realize how fucking corrupt NASA ishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OWUsMfCVWYafter watching this i hope orion fucking burns on re-entry
Hungary is buying a seat on an Axiom flight to send an astronaut to the ISS. ESA is malding.>Another concern is that the $100 million Hungary plans to spend on the astronaut flight is similar to its funding of ESA programs overall. Hungary committed 97 million euros to ESA programs at the 2019 ministerial, and Szijjártó said Hungary planned to make a similar commitment to ESA programs at the ongoing meeting.>“This is a choice of Hungary so I’m not commenting on the arrangements that are made between one country and a private company,” ESA Director General Josef Aschbacher told reporters late Nov. 22 when asked about the Hungarian statement.>“Personally, I would prefer having this astronaut flying within an ESA context, but this is a choice, obviously, of every single country.”https://spacenews.com/hungary-to-spend-100-million-on-private-astronaut-mission-to-iss/
>>15007920Half owned by India other half by British gov. They're not Euro.
>>15007920Kek dont worry such a constellation will never happen
>>15007987British gov is part of ESA tho
>>15007990They're not Euro. There's a whole movement inside EU to separate ESA from Europe and an independent EU Space Agency.
>>15007991Then this Iris2 is doomed then, if it's supposed to be about european sovereignty but brits fund it.
>>15007991What in the fuck? Can you elaborate more on this? Are you saying the EU admin wants to hijack a cross-government program? You're the expert, and this sounds significant for the future of European spaceflight.
>>15007920First of all, who would be nationalizing it?OneWeb has UK/Indian majorityESA includes UK, Norway, Switzerland and partially CanadaIris2 is under EUSPA, which is a purely EU funded agency (gee Bill, TWO space agencies?)Second, I don't think OneWeb is as secure or resilient as the aim with this to be.It wasn't super secret in the first place and everyone now probably knows how OneWeb sats work inside and out after Russians yoinked it.Iris2 is also meant be semi-militarized network (or at least that's how it comes off).
>>15007997>>15007995There's an EUSPA (EU Space Agency) thats different from ESA. EU does not want to deal with UK because of Brexit. UK has been cut off from other ESA projects due to EU disagreements. Then there's disagreements on OneWeb because its a majority UK owned venture with India rather than EU/ESA. The "European sovereign interest" is just EU sovereign interest mainly. UK already got theirs. >https://spacewatch.global/2022/06/esa-offers-the-uk-alternatives-to-copernicus-project/>https://spacenews.com/esa-moving-ahead-on-new-copernicus-missions-despite-lack-of-u-k-agreement/
>>15008002Thanks, I hadn't noticed that Iris2 was EUSPA only, in this case it all makes sense.
Space flight = IQ tax
>>15007986>“Personally, I would prefer having this astronaut flying within an ESA context, but this is a choice, obviously, of every single country.”You wouldn't get an ESA astronaut spot for 100 million. Some countries (like mine) have sunk billions into ESA without a single spot. So if you just want an astronaut for the national prestige, you're better off going private than sending gibs to ESA.
>>15007354-to land starship on the first orbital launch attempt
>>15008058of those billions, how much do you think was embezzled away by some faggot bureaucrat
Earth isn't real
After how many launches does Starship become cost competitive with to SLS if you factor in the program director spending $44 billion on a losing asset?
>>15008075SLS program spends ~$4 billion dollar per year in development and $4.1 billion per launch.
>>15008075why would it even matter? musk is not in spacex for the profit
i'm working Artemis III HLS but my company hasn't put out the press release yet so i can't say anything. but it should happen in the next week or so. will post back here when they do.
>>15008106Isn't the HLS Starship?
Blue Origin has forever tainted the "first X in space" lists on Wikipedia
>>15008124be thankful we don't live in the timeline where azi germany put some test subject in place of a V2 warhead, would have forever tainted the "first human in space" list.
>>15008075Literally less than a fifth of a launch. If Starship launched a single time at ~20% payload capacity it would still outperform SLS. And this is assuming the whole development of Starship costs $10 billion.
Where the fuck is chinese megagonsetllation
Lockheed Martin.I trust their plan for Martian colonization.Picreal.
>>15008186Oh shit they added a tape outgassing drive
>>15008180geely plans a 240 sat constellation. they launched 9 of them in june.https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/06/chang-zheng-2c-geesat/other than that, who knows? maybe because most of the chinese population lives in a small area, so they dont have much of an economic incentive to create megaconstellations.
Everybody let's laugh at Astrahttps://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-awards-launch-services-task-order-for-tropics-cubesats-mission/
>>15008195It's more of a means of geopolitical power projection. China doesn't really need it for the same reasons that Europe doesn't really need it, but there are a lot of places in Africa that could use it and Beijing would love the leverage they could get from offering it. There's also the issue of national prestige, which is also the reason why Europe is building it despite also not really needing it.
new class of estronauts
>>15008215>mandatory female quotasOH NO NO NO
>>15008215Is this the class that includes cripples or has that initiative not been implemented yet?
>>15008219They have women
>>15008215I want to know who this absolute memeboat is
>>15008195They have plenty of car companies.
>>15008219At this point, the leg-cripples might be more suited for Mars. For faster movement on all terrain, they equip running blades. For digging/labor, they attach plantigrade attachments to the prosthetics.Finally! We have a use for cripples!
>>15008227>i am going to space.jpgBy the time he gets there, he will be completely bald.
>>15008215Europe's managed about one astronaut per two crew dragon flights. If that ratio holds for the remaining dragon and starliner missions they'll be able to fly maybe seven more before the ISS closes for good.
>>15008235Maybe they'll get to send their own astronauts to Tiangong.
>>15008215Europe does not deserve access to space
>>15008243Gonna cry about it?
>>15008245No that’s an italian trait
>>15008219It's already here
>>15007833>Is the Moon looking like an egg related to tranniesWhat
https://spacenews.com/france-germany-and-italy-sign-agreement-on-launch-vehicle-development/>The agreement includes a timetable that, by June 2024, calls for a new framework to be in place for public financing of vehicles such as the Ariane 6 and Vega C. That includes “a mechanism incentivizing cost reduction” with funding “commensurate to the commercial risks taken” and ability to achieve target prices.Are they really trying to lower costs by reinventing cost-plus contracting?
>>15008277They can't do it through private industry without destroying the point of ESA.
>>15008277>The agreement also endorses having new small launch vehicles under development by several European companies be able to compete for European Space Agency missions.That's not cost-plus, they're incentivizing cost reduction by giving bonuses and funding returns based on how close to the budget they stick, and how effectively they use the budget given.
>>15008289>That's not cost-plus, they're incentivizing cost reduction by giving bonuses and funding returns based on how close to the budget they stick, and how effectively they use the budget given.This is literally the exact kind of contract SLS uses.
>>15008215The italian girl is a qt, of course
CUM (Clean Up Maneuver)
https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/2022/11/23/artemis-i-flight-day-eight-update-unexpected-loss-of-communication-with-orion-is-restored/?linkId=190809141The absolute state
>>15008349Cost-plus is the complete opposite of that. Cost-plus makes contractors pay for every bit they go over the budget given to them, but if they deliver the product, their spendings will be reimbursed
>>15008365SWITCH TO OMNI B
>>15007949Watch his videos on the SLS and Shuttle too. This was my red pill on the reality of space flight.
>>15008230no longer cripples; they are spaceflight-optimized!
>>15008377The SLS stages is a cost-plus award few, with award fees and incentive payments given to Boeing based on assessed contract performance. That sounds very similar to the ESA contract mentioned earlier.
>>15008365What a shame it didn't permanently lose contact. We'd have moved into the better timeline.GOD DAMN IT!
>>15007361Roasties will never be able to upstage Clear.
>interstellar spacecraft made out of truss beams and no heat shield entering a planet's atmosphere unharmedJames Cameron is a hack
>>15008420All this effort to make a realistic space-only spacecraft and they do *this*?
>>15008420Is someone new in charge of it?
>>15008438Avatar: The Wanna Of Wanga
>>15008420What the actual fuck? Is it depicted as standard procedure or is it some last ditch effort to wreck the planet or something?
>>15008420> teaching Navi the Kzinti Lesson
>>15008138>azi germanyI hope that's a typo and not some gay self censor you faggot. If the nazis did manage to get the V2 to the Karman line then they would deserve every bit of recognition, compared to blue origin who is still just doing amusement rides
>>15008420>James Cameron is a hackHumans did nothing wrong in that movie, and IF it happened IRL with the same interstellar resource-dependence pretext, alien negotiations would be over in a matter of seconds.
>>15008110SpaceX probably can't solo build all the interior shit. Maybe they even found a good Orion contractor and are using them for some pieces.
>>15008420Are those suppose to be anti matter engines?So are they just doing that to lightly nuke the natives? And wouldn't irradiate the area as well?
If this is what Muskrats believe, I am a Muskrat.Re-posting for posterity.
>>15008466Well, at least they don't show Saturn on this one lol
Now. Let's compare that to what Boing! wants...
>my cgi is better than your cgithe absolute state of spaceflight
>>15008482The comparison is in implied costs, design complexity, mission architecture, mission architecture planning shifts, etc. This is not about CGI, it it were so, we would be discussing private artists and their photoreal renders. iirc there is also a clause for advertisements or something such that they must be down-graded and low-res as to not confuse people with what is real and what is not.Sorry if that was a shitpost, but I must clarify for lurkers.
>>15008466ITS is still the besthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qo78R_yYFA
>>15008420No one knows how space travel works in movies. Movies are meant to sell propaganda, not realism.
>>15008477No way people could live in that tiny capsule for 6 months
>>15008438Avatar 2: Wakanda Forever
>>15008503I wish they paid a real animation studio, like Blur, to churn out high quality spacex propaganda, that would be giga kino. The current ones look like their overworked employees churned something out in Blender during their free time lmao.
>>15008517It's a tiny capsule connected to a tiny Cygnus-derived habitation module. This is the sort of thing that Gateway is supposed to be a test run for.
>>15008466Is this sped up?
>>15008534Yes, it was the only way to compress the filesize and keep a decent resolution :(
>>15008530https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zEr7jvSw4oIt could be worse
>>15008230FROM THE MOMENT I UNDERSTOOD THE WEAKNESS OF MY FLESH
>NASA uses Alabama river rocks for SLS crawler>Soviets simply used a train to transport N1Why do they overcomplicate stuff?
>>15008567trains are for commies, you should always use giant trucks
>>15008420Wasn’t avatar 1 supposed to be pretty “realistic” as far as long distant spacecraft with hypothetical technology went? Kek what happened
>>15008420As long as they don't use a Space Shuttle...
>>15008567Because Cape Canaveral is an objectively shit place to build a spaceport, it's a swamp 3 feet above sea level so anything heavy just sinks into the ground, hence the need to replace Alabama river rocks every time they use a crawler. Unlike chad Baikonur which has super old and hard ground so you can just do whatever and nothing will ever sink no matter the weight.
>>15008569>you should always use giant trucksno
https://twitter.com/18thSDS/status/1595476174267891712>#18SDS confirms breakup of H-2A DEB (#38345, 2012-025F) on Nov 17 @2335 UTC. Tracking 50+ associated pieces @ est. 620km altitude & incorporating them into routine conjunction assessment to support spaceflight safety. Analysis ongoing. @ussfspoc @US_SpaceCom @SpaceTrackOrg
>>15008589weather is getting better but tomorrow is thanksgiving
>launches on cheap solids>hypersonic glide reentry>final approach on chutesThis is how peak cheap reusability looks like:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4bGWpWbHDM
>>15008420very very slowly
>>15008622>600kg payloadthe Astra of spaceplanes
JAXA cubesat EQUULEUS took this image of the Moon's terminatorsource: https://nitter.kavin.rocks/EQUULEUS_ja/status/1595260514695024640
>>15007265looking at the shadow the screw's cast you can tell it's precisely pointed at the sun
>>15007281yeah that makes total sense. This is "JPL intentionally killed Opportunity" tier
>>15008215>only actual eruopeans>under 50% womyn>only 3 of those are ugly and none are hideouseh, I'll take what I can get. Are these made the cut finalists or is there still gonna be culling?
>>15008659Why did they put National Geographic logo there?
>>15007288the LORD loves the smell of burnt flesh
>>15008575Shuttles were the next best thing after the Venture Star itself.
>>15008466newanon here, reencoded with VP9 for better quality: file size and duration increased to keep bitrate roughly similar
>>15008674>Cameron fell for the spaceplane memeoh dear
>>15008683Why are retards excited to go live in a crowded city on Mars?
>>15008687>>15008674I could totally see SSTO spaceplanes being viable in 50-100 years if we’re able to get something like Skylon’s SABRE engine working.I think SSTOs are inevitable, it’ll just take a lot more work to get them done than we have today.
>>15008689Because it’s on mars
I'm going to read this
Where would be the best place to build a second Cape Canaveral-sized launch facility? West coast of Seattle, the southern Texas coast near Boca Chica? south Jersey?
>>15008705Not in a place with bunch of beetles and public beach, that's for sure.
>>15008622>Cheap solidsLolLmao even
>>15008695Can you spaceplane retards just shut the fuck up already, they aren't inevitable just because you saw them in le ebin movies, they are inferior to rockets on every single count. If you had SABRE you would just use it on a conventional rocket rather than a trash memeplane and the benefits of SABRE aren't really that great anyway.
>>15007986Hungary is building up the relationship today, because Starship's success is probable and getting several seats locked into future HLS flights to the Moon is immensely prestigious. ESA has fucking nothing of equivalence and are unlikely to have such until at least 2030.HLS Starship has enough habitable volume to arguably support up to 25 people on the Moon for up to 3 weeks. That goes up by a factor of 10 if SpaceX launches 1-2 Cargoships filled with perishables and other mission supplies and also lands them on the Moon. This means, you can split that crew compliment up to 8 ways with USA having 4 and 7 other countries being able to buy up to 3 seats on the Starship to the Moon. Principally, that means:>USA: 4>Japan: 3>UK: 3>Hungary: 3>South Korea: 3>Australia: 3>France: 3>Germany: 3then, in the next mission to the moon:>USA: 4>India: 3>Spain: 3>Brazil: 3>Canada: 3>Norway: 3>Netherlands: 3>Denmark: 3and you can keep going down the list of all space-able countries supplying up to 3 astronauts; to help build a universal coalition of fair access to orbit, Moon, and Mars. ESA is pissed, because they can't match this this decade and probably won't be able to match an equivalent capability for another 2 decades in totality.
>>15008582>it's a swamp 3 feet above sea level so anything heavy just sinks into the ground,What a retarded take. We've been building in swamps for centuries. A heavy train could have easily been built by now.
>>15008705we have one, it's waiting to grow largerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_Regional_Spaceport
>>15008705Somewhere in the American Caribbean.
>>15008705What about Puerto Rico
>>15008689Because you can't live in a crowded city on earth without being stabbed
>>15008721>Brazil: 3why would brazil catch a ride to the moon?
>>15008739Because they used to have a space program before autism caused its self-destruction. Brazil is also a big consumer of Starlink across its rural areas.
>>15008719You shut the fuck up, captain rocket. It's not the '50s anymore.
>>15007867newfag go back please, we've always made posts like that>>15008660you mean a fact????
>>15008746Cope spaceplane faggot, you will never achieve orbit.
>>15008705>>15008709Doesn't matter where they launch from, they will still receive complaints and criticism, apart from needing to wade through lengthy environmental reviews lol. If they launch from land, it's the poor beetles, if it's from the ocean it's the poor fish, if it's from the air it's the poor bacterial spores. Makes me think that when they eventually launch from the Moon it's going to be the poor tardigrades.
>>15008744this plus they're an Artemis Accord signatory
>>15008753the moon should remain a pristine environment. Have you even heard of planetary protection?
>>15008750Seethe, and dilate, rocketfucker.
>>15008753dust launched by rocket exhaust can reach escape velocity, so it's going to be "muh solar panels">every starship moon mission costs five billion dollars in damage to NASA solar panels, somebody stop these RECKLESS FRAUDSnote: five billion dollars in damage is 0.02% degradation
>>15008169>bottom leftKek, making the children himself
>>15008747>weYou have to go back
>that fag keeps crying
>>15008759>planetary protection?Don't get me startedhttps://sma.nasa.gov/sma-disciplines/planetary-protectionhttps://planetaryprotection.jpl.nasa.gov/missionshttps://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-updates-planetary-protection-policies-for-robotic-and-human-missions-to-earth-s-moon
>>15008773Zoom zoom go back
>>15008759>the moon should remain a pristine environmentYou and what army?
anyone have that video of the dude 'proving' rockets in vacuum wrong with one of these things and a vacuum nozzleI want to laugh
>>15008774the West has fallen
Why did the MVac engine look like it was “pulsing” under the foil last night during the launch?
should we bring jesus to the ayys?
>>15008793Disgusting, this moronic foolish ideology will see Russia and China take all the space resources for themselves just so that we can stay """"""ethical""""""Absolutely fucking disgusting
which alloy are they using for SS
>>15008797What if they already know Jesus?
>>15008796it always does that
>>15008791that thumbnail looks... weird
>>15008797Childhood's End is close to what could happen nglt. hard atheist
>>15008793OMG ELON SISTERS ITS OVER
>>15008798BTW this kind of mindset is how China and Russia were allowed to rise to prominence, they understand realpolitik and that its all about resourcesUS policy is poisoned by this kind of backwards, "ethical" "anti-colonial" wish-washy egalitarian ideology its so disgusting it makes me want to vomit if they even think they can try and take it to space
>>15008810There are no laws on Mars. Nobody can stop man with bagger 293.
>>15008683higher bitrate and with audio, pitch also sped up: >>>/wsg/4843983source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Oox2w5sMcA
>>15008569Trains have sovl. One of the most based forms of rocket transport, second only to a giant cargo airship
>>15008812Try that and you'll quickly see how the US and other urf nations go apeshit, start all of a sudden giving a shit about space, and advance their space technology so that they can bring democracy and freedom to Mars.
>>15008705Duluth.Just think about it.
ExoMars continues to live. Entry, descent, and landing modules will be built in Europe and NASA will provide the engine for the lander and a launch vehicle.https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/11/the-long-tangled-journey-of-a-european-rover-to-mars-takes-another-twist/
>>15008831it will blow up
Any info form that cubesats that was supposed to take pics of Orion?
>>15008791ah, the fabled Coinslot Nebula
Does Moon like to be abused by space rocks?
>>15008850Luna has no atmosphere, completely uncovered. She is literally asking for it.
>>15008831I wish there was platform for relative mass production of rovers for other rocky bodies. Kind of like cubesat is for satellites, just not small. I hope something like that becomes a thing once sending shit to other planets becomes easier.
>>1500885212 men were on top of her and they were always 2 at the same timewhat an absolute slag
>>15008831I was gonna say considering Russia's track record on Mars missions this can only be an upgrade but then I remembered ESA has yet to successfully land anything on Mars either so I guess its chances are just as slim as they were before
>>15008857And every time there was a cuck watching it all from above
>>15008201>Astra c*cked by Rocket LabHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
>>15008855Someone will do that sooner or later. First, it has to become available to the public, not just JPL and you can make that happen with Starship. It could work like current Transporter missions.
>>15008831>Europe will do it on out own!>...except for the lander's main propulsion and a number of other vital systems, for which we will rely on the Americans again>...and for the launch vehicle too, because I guess the Ariane 6 might not be available by 2028, who knows
>>15008870The previous lander was supposed to be built entirely in Russia so that's an improvement.
>>15008872The previous lander WAS entirely Russian. ESA also needed to bum a dozen old AJ10s from the shuttle program so they could build the service modules that Orion is planned to use, and the upper stage of the Vega was entirely reliant on Ukraine for RD-843s. Europe had nothing that even resembled an equivalent. Europe has a huge problem with liquid propulsion development that they really need to address.
>>15008215Only 5 of these were chosen as actual astronauts. The rest are just "reserves" Either way there's only one yurostronaut that should be going to the Moon.
>>15008814>better footage than F9 ever deliveredI kneel
>>15008845Sorry about the delay, my internet was down.
>>15008215Czech this out.
>>15008883Cristoforetti has been good too, she should go if there's room.
>>15008705Nomans land, Massachusetts.
>>15008896Fighter pilot, just like Remek.
>>15008730Those shitty jungle goblins need to fix Arecibo first and add it to the DSN.
>>15008881>Europe has a huge problem with liquid propulsionDoes it? Ariane has experience with their Vulcain engine and is working on M10, Vinci and Prometheus. Then there is also RFA working on Helix, which is methalox oxygen-rich staged combustion.
>>15008883He’s so based
>>15008904not inclusive enough, bigot
>>15008881Why are there so many retards here talking out of their ass?
>>15008227What the fuck. How in the world do you not just shave bald at that point? How do people not burst into laughter every time he walks into a room? I can see the entire outline of his god damn head. It's like the hair is trying to recede and condense into a natural kippah. The mites in that man's eyebrows tell their children stories of a hairline somewhere across that impassable northern desert.
>>15008915Welcome to 4chan.
>>15008910Helix is keralox.
>>15008944Imagine spending almost a whole month in that shitcan, Jesus. All thanks to corrupt NASA.
>>15007833>poltards are so troon obsessed this scares them
>>15008937this one isn't even as bad, he's got the remains of a widow's peak hiding the crown of his head, and the hair is thinning to the point of not being so visually distinctthe other guy looks like he has a small furred creature clinging to the back of his scalp
>>15008215Today's paper dabbled on this, and the chances of a Finnish applicant being chosen as a career astronaut.The problem is the fact that Finland isn't part of the E3P program, which manages ESA's manned spaceflight projects. And it's unlikely that E3P member states would pay for a non-member astronaut.>Europe's space agency ESA is unveiling their new astronauts this Wednesday. The agency will hire four to six new career astronauts. Among the applicants were 308 Finns, of which 20 reached the second stage of the recruiting process. Of the applicants 250 were men and 58 were women. Of the applicants passing to the second stage eight were women and twelve were men. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1_3rDWWQdfHsjSBN58zjUZlZEEjTI7Oy1?usp=share_link
>>15008978The real problem ls that finland is a tiny natlon of cucks with zero economic potential.
>>15008996How in the fuck do these underage subhuman /pol/tards find this thread?
>>15008996Space is 99% R&D, any nation with good universities can develop efficient space technology.Iceye for example develops SAR radar tech, which the US has taken great interest in. Scott made a video on it some time ago
>>15008953>>15008963One of the og egg anons here.Had no fucking idea about this shit meme. I just saw the warped moon and remembered Danny DeVito saying egg.
>It took JPL over 2 years to release a software update that takes terrain height into account while landinghttps://mars.nasa.gov/technology/helicopter/status/420/flight-34-was-short-but-significant/
>>15009032space is hard
>>15009018Capella Space already has a US based SAR constellation.
>>15009032Honestly it didn’t really matter; gravity’s low and the legs can absorb the impact easily
>>15008944Why do you retards keep making minute and a half long webms of nothing for something that is really only 15 seconds long?
>>15008420It works in KSP
>>15009040They do, but the US has still bought data from Iceye, due to the fact that more data is always usefulAlso found the hullo vid talking about SAR: https://youtu.be/u2bUKEi9It4
>>15008447Absolutely based, fellow Niven enjoyer>tfw no Puppeteer to call me a good Goy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQpfUbOqIV0When will we get our future?
>>15008420>Pandora's atmosphere is 20% carbon dioxide>Also 20% denser than Earth'shmmmmmm
>>15008420In reality the humans would have bombed them from fucking orbit if the negotiation broke down. Humanity was dependent on the unobtanium
>>15008821there were only about five seconds of interest in that minute long video. trim it down
>>15007265Reminder that Astra will launch about 10 times in the next month, 55 times next year and 300 times in 2025. Truly the future of spaceflight.(plz invest)
>>15009062If we found primitive ayys around the nearest star sitting on a very valuable material I'd find it very suspect. What are the odds? Seems like a setup, a test of what we're like
>>15009054in the voice of a beautiful woman no less. Puppeteer asmr when?
>>15008420>Interstellar Vehicle Venture Starbros..
>>15009070>ARCA will outlast Astra.How is it possible?
Would /sfg/ be willing to voyage across the solar system with no means of returning back to earth ever? The ship the size of Starship is made for you, it will have environment generating machines/protection from radiations/cryosleep for indefinite (100K+ years) periods of time, self maintaining robots/robot assembly units to take care of the ships for repairs/etcIn short, you'd go to space on a one way journey to the nearest star system Alpha Centauri, sleep for 100+ years while waking up for periods of few weeks at a time to check for ship status/etc and to report your status back to Earth via radio signals.
>>15009104Nobody ever gave ASTRA launch contracts they have to fulfill. Gypsies are known for keeping their scams running long though.
>>15009075I read a review of book 1 before buying and they said it was Niven sucking off his own description of the size of the ring. Read it anyway, and that was my favorite part. Reviewers should kys themselves.
>>15009113Sorry. ARCA didn't get any launch contracts. It's fucking late and my brain has stopped working.
>>15009143I didn't even notice the mistake, I'm also tired.
>>15009153It's that thing where the brain reads first and last letter and fills in the rest on autopilot. Doesn't help that Astra and ARCA both start and end on the same letters.
>>15009005>REEEEEEE everything I don't like is /pol/that's just your average retard, your pissing and shitting about your chosen boogeyman isn't required
>>15009165Only some hypernationalistic mutt would say something like that, and where do you find them?
>>15008883He will take the best most creative pics of the moon I bet
>>15009174spaceflight is due for a Saint-Exupéry type nigga
>>15009166Settle down, Jaarpi. Anons are just talking shit.
China to use space station to test space-based solar power>Robotic arms already operating on the outside of Tiangong will be used to test on-orbit assembly of modules for a space-based solar power test system>The test system will then orbit independently and deploy its solar arrays and other systems. It is likely to test and verify capabilities such as power generation, conversion and transmission.https://spacenews.com/china-to-use-space-station-to-test-space-based-solar-power/when will the west?
>>15009224https://www.space.com/europe-space-based-solar-powerEurope's had plans for a while now. They announced an agreement to fund them earlier today.
>>15009224Casey Handjob in shambles
>>15009224If we're lucky, never.
>>15008201I eagerly await the source selection statement. RL was the obvious pick and I wouldn't be shocked if they were the only bidder, but I wanna see some upstarts get slapped.
>>15009224>they fucking fell for it>again
Apparently I own a map of Cape Canaveral, printed in 1951
>>15009224Only real use is to recharge batteries of satellites for failing solar panels
>>15009054Alright lads. I want to read a book. Should I go Niven, Asimov or Heinlein?
>>15009230China is infamous for useless white elephant projects though. He mocks their maglev rail line mercilessly.
>>15009254But why though?
>>15009247Heinlein and it aint close
>>15008440wtf I love the blue man group
>>15008448I believe his point was that he doesn’t consider the kind of people the Nazis used as test subjects to be people
>>15009247Clarke is the ultimate filter for low attention span (spoiler his books still suck though)Asimov is okay although it seems quirky considering it’s age and doesn’t hold up as well as H G WellsJust read war of the worlds it’s super kino
>>15009367Everything in that picture is expendable.
>>15009367>Landing the ENTIRE capsule onto the MoonRetarded design
>>15009380Works in KSP
>>15009382works in HLS too
>>15009375Yes>Willson's idea about the Moon's demise, explained recently to SPACE.com, is an unpublished byproduct of her research into Earth's fate in the face of an expanding Sun.>The Moon is now moving away from Earth and, by the time the Sun goes through its red giant phase, it will be in an orbit that's about 40 percent larger than today. It will be the first to warp under the Sun's influence. If left unabated the Moon would continue in its retreat until it would take bout 47 days to orbit the Earth. >The Sun's mutation into a red giant provides a huge stumbling block to the Moon's getaway and is likely to ensure the Moon ends its days the way it began; as a ring of Earth-girdling debris.>"The density and temperature both increase rapidly near the apparent surface (photosphere) of the future giant Sun," Willson explained. As the Earth and Moon near this blistering hot region, the drag caused by the Sun's extended atmosphere will cause the Moon's orbit to decay. The Moon will swing ever closer to Earth until it reaches a point 11,470 miles (18,470 kilometers) above our planet, a point termed the Roche limit.>The Moon will be torn to pieces and every crater, mountain, valley, footprint and flag will be scattered to form a spectacular 23,000-mile-diameter (37,000-kilometer) Saturn-like ring of debris above Earth's equator. The new rings will be short-lived. Theory dictates they'll eventually rain down onto Earth's surface.
>>15009247If you haven't read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, you need to
>>15009247Bear, because the guy just passed
>>15009380It’s called efficiency sweatyP.S. the chinese paper also mentioned the ability to put wheels on this bitch and use it as a rover
>>15009367>>15009415Horizontal landing = spaceplane
>>15009415Some real Energia booster landing going on here.
ULA lunar architecture from 2009.Using Delta IV Heavy and Atlas V, ULA would’ve established depots in LEO and at the earth-moon L2 point.
>>15009441DIVH is so fucking gay
>>15009110Would be pretty depressing>alright Starship signing off, we'll be going to sleep now. The next time we wake up, you'll all be dead. Say bye to my family
>>15009110Oh, similar to that moviehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passengers_(2016_film)
>>15009110A few years ago, sure, but I have people I care about here now
>>15009110I'm going to leave the solar system forever, but only after fucking the moon
>>15009110Any books with a plot like that?
>>15009488>composites and nanotubes everywhere>air breathing fusion engineThis is actually a believable SSTO.
>meme tech everywhere>meme engineYup it’s certainly an SSTO.
Realistically, how far are we from fusion propulsion rockets?
>>15009530That depends entirely on Zap Energy getting their shit together.>no cryogens or superconductors or giant magnet hoops needed>just some fuckoff huge capacitors and good control software
Is space-based solar power a meme? I mean, with transmission losses and debris hitting the panels and shit, it'd require way too much upmass to be worthwhile, right?
>>15009534It's viable, but only if you've got the capability to economically launch tens of thousands of tons of infrastructure into geostationary orbit. Surface based nuclear will always be easier.
>>15009538inb4 500 seething posts about regulation being equivalent to a physical law
>>15009110I'd prefer to be put on that cryosleep on Earth while I wait for a faster technology to be developed.
>>15009540It can be if you live in a uncivilized hell-state where politicians don't get shot by the people with enough regularity.
>>15009534Yes, but for the Moon not the Earth
black people on the moon in this decade. why choose this as our goal?
>>15008420Like it or not, Avatar is the most realistic Hollywood sci-fi. Its Atomic Rockets approved.
Why is interplanetary Sci fi so rare?
>>150095642001 was originally going to feature an orion pulse fission ship but kubrick just got off of making Dr. Strangelove and he was worried people would interpret it as satire
>>15009568At least we will get spinhab kino with rama. I hope Villeneuve goes full autist
>>15009563because it pleases HR leeches
>>15009566Are you excluding soft sci-fi and space opera from this?
>>15009572Kind of? I know The Expanse is not necessarily interplanetary anymore, but stuff like the first few seasons.I just wish we had more Sci fi set in our solar system with realistic-ish tech
>>15009566Mars and the moon are sliding from scifi to technothriller territory as SpaceX advances Starship. Venus is hot smoggy hell. Titan is cold smoggy hell. Everywhere else is airless lumps of rock or ice. Earth plus moon plus Mars already gives us access to a majority of the solid ground in the solar system, and most of its accessible metals. There's no real point to mass-colonizing the gas giants except for strip mining volatiles, whether to terraform Venus or to provide fusion fuel for an interstellar voyage.
>>15009566because most tech made up to allow interplanetary would also allow interstellar. also if you're going to feature "where no man has gone before" you might as well go all the way and make it where no one has seen before either
Elon has a neuralink implant and it’s forcing him to bend the knee and optimize twitter code instead of launching rockets
>>15009583hard interplanetary science fiction would be like Baxter's NASA trilogy, especially Titan. Shuttle technology to Saturn which would make all of this general have aneurysms but it's okay (and very misanthropic)
>>15009575Fuck, I read interstellar instead of interplanetary.The issue with the Solar system is that it is actually very boring.Realistically, you can't go into the 4 giant planets, you can't setup an actual colony on Venus because the lack of water there, the Moon is just cool looking craters and mountains, Mercury is just a repeat of the Moon, Io can't be even landed because of the intense radiation, Miranda is just cool looking cliffs, and most other outer solar system moons and dwarf planets are just balls of ice and rock. Mars and Titan are the only ones were both landing and colonizing is realistic while also not being completely boring, and you can have some speculative fun with sub surface oceans in moons like Europa, Ganymede, Enceladus, Triton and maybe a few others.If you write outside of the Solar System, you can go crazy with alien biospheres and everything you want.
>>15009598this all depends on the stimulus for your story being an adventure type romp. For all its literary shortcomings the Martian effectively tells a survival story against the Martian climate, in the same way people write about surviving in the Arctic.
am drunk but have been working on the engineering side of SpaceX for 6 weeksAMA>tfw capcha can be answered without moving slider
>>15009608kek good captcha vibes. What are you drinking? How long have you been working there? Are you stressed or over worked?
>>15009601I guess it's just harder to write a realistic space story.I wonder how a strictly accurate contemporary/near future space war story would be. (By this I mean one where the spaceships don't move like planes, for example)I'd maybe also like stories about research missions/outposts, or something like a drama of astronauts finding microbes in some icy moon.
>>15009540Yeah, but the ability to beam a GW of power into a giant teakettle to boil water and spin a turbine, is also the ability to beam a GW of power into the capitol to roast congressmen. And if the congressmen don't recognize that, the generals sure will.So even taking regulation into account, surface based nuclear will still always be easier.
>>15009608>How do you feel about Musk in general? And what about the Twitter acquisition?>Do you think the colonization dream will actually happen with Starship or is it just hype?>What do you think about the competition? Both old and new space (Boeing, Lockheed, BO, Rocket Lab, etc.)
>>15009563Not because they are easy, but because we are hard.
>>15009608What are the hours like?
>>15009598I'm writing a book about an exploratory team discovering that the metallic hydrogen core of Jupiter is a naturally-occurring gigabrain that spontaneously self-organized into computronium and bootstrapped to sentience. The third-act twist is that this process is decently common across the universe and Saturn is also alive, but very evil and definitely Satan.
>>15009608Have you met the autist-in-chief? What's he like in person, if so?
>>15009608Post froyo flavor
>>15009615Because any good story will just have space as a backdrop, or it will get too bogged down in trying to explain autistic shit to the reader for no reason. As the other anon said: the martian is probably the quintessential “realistic” space story—not because it’s a perfect book or anything, but because it understands the struggle of man against the environment is the most interesting part. Something like star wars doesn’t need space. It’s the same formula as lord of the rings. The monomyth. Something like star trek needs aliens because it explores the human condition.I guess, to throw out another reddit tier example, firefly is really good because it doesn’t use wormholes or ayyys as a twist. The reavers end up being human and it’s a story about humanity. But that’s another example of a story that doesn’t necessarily need to take place in spaceIf you want a fresh story a good idea would be a generation ship that unthaws everyone too early, and the slow spin into madness as a ship full of dozens or hundreds of people realize they’re too far to be saved but don’t have the supplies to keep everyone aboard alive
>>15009615>I'd maybe also like stories about research missions/outposts, or something like a drama of astronauts finding microbes in some icy moon.This is kinda sort what Star Trek is, but they just use them as plot devices. There's a greater focus on "muh utopian future". Also they get orbital mechanics wrong.
>>15009632And after all that typing I realized I answered a question you didn’t even ask. KEK. Oh well hopefully it at least added to the discussion. I don’t even know what I was trying to answer honesty
>>15009632honestly a certain degree of softness in science fiction is good where it contributes to story or atmosphere. I remember reading this series which treated interstellar trade as a series of violent, epochal events, with starship landfalls causing social collapse and reorganization and launching lasers capable of cracking planets in half. Wholly excessive but makes for a great mythical tone.
neuralink has reached human typing stagehttps://twitter.com/neuralink/status/1595643786872225794
>>15009615The Expanse gets the physics of space combat right, down to light-lag limiting command authority. It just then adds in bullshit woo woo like wormholes and stealth spacecraft and ayy lmao zombies that can live in hard vacuum.
>>15009629I was re-reading Rama and 2001 and got taken up by the spirit.I like the potential angle of the world-brains being the most common form of life in the universe, with Earth-scale biospheres being a vanishingly rare commodity among a race that's hyperintelligent yet has little direct influence over the physical world.
>>15009614Bourbon, 7 shots in. 12 weeks but I feel like my training wheels have been off for a little while since I'd direct entry from a similar role at a failing company. 6 weeks of actual prototyping>>15009618Musk makes bad decisions. We take command from a manager above use but below the CEO. It's honestly not a big deal>TwitterAbsolutely terrible. I and some of my colleageues aren't happy about it since it's crashing, I Think the overall goal is riteous but the executuion (and the jew medelling) have made it more than a problem. Funds for SpaceX are protected from what I head talking to an 'HR' hottie (not HR but simila role)>>15009625Not yet haha, maybe soon. I've seen so much of him online it's whatever at this point bt I might see him soon, he'll "maybe" be around in 5 days or so. I don't buy it but whatever.>>15009627I am a 0% OR 2% fat Yogurt guy. I lift twice a week.>>15009621So far not bad but I want this to succeeed. The pay could be better elsewhere but I want to make a difference and I have the knowledge and experience to do so. I had equity elsewhere and it more thn aid for the "pay cut" but so far it isn't too bad.
>>15009643brb, gonna go get my whole cortex blanketed in neuralinks and then leave my body behind as I disappear into the internet
>>15009650you're this tired of the captcha?
>>15009632One distinction I like to make is between space stories and astronaut stories. The former simply has space as a setting, while the latter revolves around the spaceflight experience. But I don't take realism as a distinguishing factor.This way, Star Wars is a space movie, while astronaut movies include stuff from The Martian and Gravity to Apollo 13 (which is a historical movie, not sci-fi).>>15009636Whatever, this is the type of discussion I was trying to have anyway.>>15009635Still haven't watched Star Trek because there is a billion episodes, and the old stuff looks even cheesier than old Star Wars, but I've always got the impression it is more of an age of discovery nautical story set in space.
>>15009650jacking into cyberspace
>>15009647I've never once heard of anything near that so it'll definitely be unique no matter how its done
>>15009618I missed a part. I had a great offer from Lockheed but they kept their pace in line with a very profitable tradition... I want nothing to do with that. Again, I made my money and I want to make a difference.>verification not required
>>15009660Disappearing into cyberspace to go hang out with the Alpha Centauri AI
>>15009665>>verification not requiredcongrats, you have autisted here enough to be able to bypass the captchabtw have you seen any top secret ayy?
>>15009632Firefly is basically the future as seen from 21st century California. The Alliance is the coastal cities: huge, sprawling, surveillance state megalopoli with ridiculous technology and an uncomfortable amount of Chinese influence. The Alliance's space cruisers being literally clusters of skyscrapers strapped to rocket engines was belaboring the point. The border planets are California east of the mountains: bad climate, poor, resource extraction economies, heavily distrustful of the coastal elite, with a history of attempting to secede, and of course they were filmed on location there.That ability to make shit up to suit the plot is why interstellar is more popular. If you get our own solar system wrong people will mock you incessantly, like failing a geography quiz in front of all your friends and relatives. That means interplanetary scifi has to be classic science fiction, starting from the known reality, asserting a small number of things, and then letting the world drive the plot. Not many writers are any good at that.
>>15009670>If you get our own solar system wrong people will mock you incessantlyLike all the whining about the storm in The Martian?
What about an animated movie about a rover? Of course, a lighthearted family movie.People like Wall-E, people like Opportunity, I think it could work.
>>15009677any movie for children gets a lot of leniency in how it does shitif its for kids, you don't need to give a fuck about science, just make it genuinely fun and happy
/sfg/ makes a movie when?
>>15009693"There is no way to sugarcoat this." Musk
>>15009649Musk sees far left grifters like Bernie and Warren as an existential threat to his companies. Things like taxing unrealized gains (would have probably bankrupted Tesla because of the stock bubble) and excessive regulation overall. His purchase of Twitter is to help stop these ideas from spreading unchecked. I also wouldn't doubt that he will make Twitter successful. There is no evidence that it is crashing whatever that means.
>>15009693It would just be a 2 hour rant about SLS with 15 minutes of laughing at blorgino and a two weeks doomerspeech about starship to cap it off
>>15009704I don’t really give a shit about elon musk outside of spacex but the idea of him culling the narrative is hilarious and based
>>15009707kys imposter, although I do refuse to namefag, or, allah forgive me for uttering this word, tripfag t prove anything.>>15009704You don' undestand. It's beyond his control throuhg back-room deals that fell through. Yeah, he can advertise Starlink on there but if you are on Twitter enough for it to make a impact on your choice of internet provider... you already had one good enough to not need Starlink. We will see what happens but overall it's not a good vibe when it's brought up here. He can also be sued for neglecting Tesla (crashing stock, massive shorts) so there's that.
>>15009693Anon I'm 10 shots in and I want to properly appreciate the effort you put into this image, assuming you made it. OC here is neglected, we need anons trying shit to have fun. >verification not requiredok I'm gunna cum
>>15009608Have you met Elon? Have you hugged him tightly and smelled him? What does he smell like?
I baked a cake. I'm gonna bake more
>>15009725Backroom deals? It's not about advertising Starlink or anything. And Tesla is only crashing because of the absolutely insane bubble it was in. I do kind of agree that backing the purchase with Tesla shares for that reason is not the best idea. As a side note, it's actually kind of funny how you can track someone's public perception through stock price. When Tesla was going up Elon was a super genius demigod invited to SNL and everything, now that it's crashing down back to where it was he is an evil failure who doesn't know how to run a company. In reality he's the same person and the company hasn't changed since before the bubble.
>>15009660jacking off in cyberspace
>>15009705every fifteen minutes somebody would quote Charlie Bolden
>>15009772i've watched more recent interviews of him and in general he strikes me as a weak leader and not even particularly smart
>>15009598Io you can land on if you drain Jupiter's van allen belts, FACT CHECKED.
>>15009775We don't have a strong governmental leader; Charles Bolden is real. Charlie has, you've seen him on Eric Berger's interview, he's leading NASA. He's defending SLS, protecting jobs in Alabama. I don't see any other potential leaders in NASA, except that you're going to take some jumped up science or technology lead and give them the Administrator position. It's not that easy in politicry.
>>15009734Haha not yet, he may be in early next week. We'll see>>15009757I took an accounting elective and apparently even if the stock price raises or decreases, the company itself can remain solvent. There ay be a case that he hasn't taken care to ensure a raising stock value since Elon is CEO of some 3 complex, massive companies but we will see how this ans out. But SpaceX is (probably) ok, hence me coming here.
Imagine being in the middle of this bitch and a sandstorm starts, then you can play "lmao on which planet am I"
>>15007802also the largest moon relative to it's parent in the solar systemunless you count Pluto and Charon
>>15009110Only if I still have internet access in some form or another, and at least one of the robots looks something like pic related.
>>15009907additionally with the shield being so close to the engines you could retract it a bit so it tucks in fully forward of the engine exhaust
>>15009488>fusion powered spaceplane> can only fly 1000 miles in atmosphere wut
>>15009420you can see the sideways throosters, it still has to land on its side vertically, so double retarded
>>15009643>Neuralink with human patients delivering exceptional resultsI want to see how a human without a walking wires/strings with neural impant do in real life. Shits gonna be revolutionary. Going from bulky knobs/wires protrusion to wireless signal would be amazing.
>>15009643fake and gay
>>15009643Will it be a nothingburger?
>>15010062its thanksgiving anyway
>>15009704>taxing unrealized gainsIs a thing in my country. Any successful company has to sell stock to pay the taxes, allowing China and whatnot to snap shit up.
>>15010062SN24 hop and subsequent explosion imminent
What are *you* thankful for this year, /sfg/?
>>15010139The atmosphere, I give it a lot of shit most days but it's nice to have around sometimes.
>>15010139That we are closer to personal spaceships.
>>15010148It also did its damnedest to stop SLS. Twice!
>>15010139>>15010161thankful that orange rocket made it
>>15008622Use the word spaceplane next time so the filter catches you, faggot
>>15010192The chinese missions will go smoothly although I expect many dates to get pushed back even further. I would also not be surprised if china eventually just scheduled robotic and human landings outside of ILRS to put humans on the moon faster especially once NASA goesI’m mostly interested in POCKOCMOC though. Luna 25-27 is going on Soyuz-2 so at least the rocket will work (idk about upper stages and landing, they have shit quality control). Luna 28 is Angara A5 and later russian missions in ILRS are scheduled for Yenisei so that shit isn’t happening
>>15008721>ESA>moon landing>2030wtf are you talking about?do the euros even have plans to think about designing a lunar lander? how would they launch it?if a euro gets to the moon in the next 50 years it will be on a SpaceX spacecraft
>>15010200anything scheduled for yenisei can also be put on LM9, granted that rocket is only slightly more “real” and pretty much equally as vaporware. Shit will probably just get moved to a long march 5 or 5DY.
>>15008721>asspull: the post
>>15008730Contains Puerto RicansFourth world infrastructure and anyone with any potential at all leavesProbably worse than launching from Mexico
>>15010215NASA-types didn't live near Canaveral until they started building it. People would settle near the space center and form a new community.
>>15010221that’s way different
>>15010221French Guiana is hustling and bustling!
need me some solid hydrogen
>>15010233>not using solid muonic hydrogenngmi
>>15009907*retractable photon sailIt's also used to brake for Earth return.
>>15009110Sure, once my kids are grown.Plus in all likelihood technology will advance so quickly while you’re popsicling that by the time you arrive the destination will be fully colonized by the descendants of passengers of the faster craft developed in the meantime. You’d arrive as a minor celebrity and historical figure at a colony full of women thousands of years younger than you, receive your immortality treatment and spend the next few hundred years split evenly between getting laid and free time for hobbies.
>>15010241>photon sail> not a magsailJimbo's future is living in the past
>>15010221Puerto Rico isn't getting NASA gibs until it becomes a state. The US federal government is of, by, and for the STATES, not assorted mudskin island territories.
>>15009330He’s not opposed to Nazis as the reply implies. He hates Jews so much he doesn’t even want them to be used as disposable test subjects because they would have (in that alternate history) all the human space records. I was explaining why the original reply was mistaken.
>>15010249I thought NASA was all about inclusion and equity?
>>15010221>People would settle near the space center and form a new community.That is the problem - it would be Porto Reekans
>>15010244The magic number to prevent that, at least for Alpha Centauri, is a cruising speed of 0.2c.>>15010257only for citizens of the states
>>15009534It’s probably worth waiting to see if fusion makes any progress in the next 50 years rather than starting a project of unprecedented scale and finding out it was pointless a few decades in (subject to review if fusion is demonstrated to be a dead end)
>>15009563Extremely based, but there are more cost effective destinations
>>15010259OUT OF THE WAY HOMELESS FUCKING SHITS! SHUTTLE'S HOME!
>>15009575expanse is space fantasy with gay space magic (debate me. you will lose)
>>15010262>immortal and drowning in pussy in technoparadise>here’s how to prevent thatThank you for your suggestion! It will be given the attention it deserves.
>>15010271I wish it wasn't, I was into it until blue space-goo became the most important plot point and it turned into Stargate later on. The best part of The Expanse is the setting and interactions between political factions, the rest is pretty meh. Mormons making a fuckhuge intersteller generation ship was a neat idea though, that's totally what the church would do if they're still around and rich by then.
>elon lost $100 billion yesterdaythe mars fund...
>>15010291what happened yesterday?
>>15010303tesla stock collapsed
https://twitter.com/LMSpace/status/1595786237343940609SLS launch escape tower jettison
>>15010303Nothing of note, which is why the usual doomsturbators are jerking themselves off just like always
>>15010309I already made and posted the webm
we like isaac arthur here, right
>>15010324I do, sure.
>>15010324anons assert that he is a coprophile, perhaps even a coprophage
Space Lunch System
>>15010324>we wike Isaac owfah hew, wightFTFYyes, of courseLiking IA is consistent with all known laws of physics, so it’s really just a minor engineering problem. In fact, it’s likely that all Kardashev Type II civilizations have the resources and technology to like him.
>>15010336You only say that because he likes sexual activities involving poop and occasionally eats poop as a sexual fetish.
>>15010343We cannot possibly deliver those pies before 2024, pending delay
>>15010351ARM really was the most retarded thing. I'm still not sure how such a proposal came about and why it made it as far as it did
>>15010139I'm thankful that the fighting or bombardment campaigns haven't reached my city yet. Although the distant booms from artillery testing are getting annoying.
>>15010362He's married and lives in a nice town and does talks for defense contractors from time to time so there's no way it isn't true
>>15010324His videos are aigh, but I will never forgive him for blackpilling Minna Sundberg
>>15010381based v-thot annihilator
I made this webm weeks ago and forgot to post it
>>15010139I'm glad James Webb got operational without many issues. Besides this, DART was really cool to watch.
>>15010396Gemini reentry? Beautiful.
>>15010357Politicians told a team of scientists to "go get an asteroid" and then the scientists had to sit down and try to make a logical mission out of it. They did a decent job but the results were still pretty retarded. Phil Metzger had a pretty interesting twitter thread about it a few days ago. https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1595233546960048129
>>15010414Looks like the chart for some thinly traded crypto shitcoin.
>>15009857how big is that crater
>>15009563why climb the highest mountain?
>>15010413I dunno. I can't find anything on Youtube when I search "iron staws".
>>15010422I think those are what people use in California
>>15010336I have no proof, but I can feel it in my bones
>>15010406It's not a discovery from this year. I'll only be thankful after the results are published.But people will be pissed when, even if it's a promising sign of aliens, the data ends up being unconclusive.
>>15010429I mean, I'm thankful it got approved for JWST observation. Though there was no way it wouldn't be.
>Due to a defective equipment that needs to be replaced on the launcher, Flight #VV22 is being postponed. The #VegaC launch vehicle and the two #PléiadesNeo satellites are in safe conditions. A new launch date, in December, will be shared as soon as possible.https://twitter.com/Arianespace/status/1595809823739842560c'est fini...
>>15010432Vega's never manged more than three launches in a single year. If you leave your GSE sitting idle for too long shit's gonna wear out.
>>15010425Spreading malicious gossip that is unsubstantiated is a sin, anon
>>15010453It is, and I hope anons feel bad about it.At least spread it about thunderfoot or something, that might be funny.
>>15010453yes and I love it. am I evil? yes I am
https://youtu.be/hQCTTvkh7gwNEW EAGER BEAVER
>>15010471Cool, I'm also a coaster autist due to RCT
>>15010174orange rocket is now at the bottom of the ocean
>>15010484It's hard to believe it actually happened. All those years, then all those months of scrubs to see the rocket burn and be disposed at the ocean in just a few minutes.
>>15010484>headless battered corpse lying on the seabedartists, get on it
Business idea: make starship into hydrolox and launch it from an oil rig, you make fuel in situ from sea water using an SMR. A sea dragon starship. Star dragon.
one thruster firing
>>15010484it's legitimate salvage
when is the next launchi need that dopamine from watching a falcon landing so i don't kill myself
>>15010540Cargo dragon is launching in two days
>>15010419or GME after hours
>>15010094Yep that's why it's a terrible idea. In your system Elon would probably lose control of his companies. Again I think Elon is concerned that these bad ideas might spread which is why he wants to fight against it. I don't know how effective buying twitter will be but I guess it's like Jeff buying the Washington Post.
>>15010357I can't believe it either, what a stupid idea. 2011-2020 was such a depressing time for spaceflight.
>>15010540https://nextspaceflight.com/2 days from now
>>15010500Ah yes, combine the finnickiness of hydrogen with the bracing corrosion of salt sea air. I bet you could get dozens of scrubs per launch.
>>150105792011-2016*But yeah it was an all time low
almost went an entire thread without HOPE posting
>>15010414I was there when the strength of the gopro fell
>>15010407Kek The ARM’s lasting legacy was a Ksp update
>>15010605>The ARM’s lasting legacy was a Ksp updateWhat?
>>15010606KSP had an update which included ARM inspired patty’s
>>15010500a sea ship
>>15010624we need to bring democracy to titan and get those sweet hydrocarbons
you now remember excalibur almaz
>>15010209where do you think you are>>15010206ESA is aiming for a Falcon 9 clone by 2030. Keeping with that progression, they'd have a moon lander and capsule by 2040.
>>15010634If they're aiming to have a Falcon 9 clone by 2030 you shoudn't expect it before 2035 at the soonest. 2040 is more likely. European astronauts will undertake private, commercially sourced lunar missions with SpaceX years before any of of the ESA domestic lunar crew systems are even close to the pad.
>>15010624what’s this from
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>>15010640Nobody here has any serious plan for European crewed flight capabilities, why wouldn’t we buy them from spacex?
>>15010421because there are no black people there?
>>15010608all of the ARM parts are super convenient and helpful, gonna send up a Space Shuttle recovery mission using those parts
>>15010420We don't know. There's no nearby stadium for comparison.
>>15010381BasedkekWoman moment right there, being unable to cope with how stupidly long eternity will take and being unable to grasp the ridiculous amount of time still left to reach the end