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Assuming all of humanity joins together tomorrow under one flag how far and which celestial bodies do you think we could potentially colonize in the next 100, 300 and 500 years?
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>>14729164
Why must humanity be unified to colonize some planet?
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>>14729174
>No sabotaging
>Focused budget and morals
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>>14729187
Why cant you colonize despite sabotage and some budget thing?
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>>14729193
You can it would just be more difficult, Why are you trying to pick apart the prompt? It's a rather simple question that doesn't have multiple possible interpretations.
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>>14729174
Okay, but OP doesn't argue that it must be the case, just that it is the case in his hypothetical.
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Zero. Unifying and including undesirable populations would financially cripple the planet into a malrhisian trap.
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>>14729324
Malthusian*
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>>14729205
Oh so im the one making problems now? I thought you said humanity had to be unified. So you are saying we have to fullfill your irrational condition of universal unity before getting some shit done? No wonder nothing ever gets done with people like you sabotaging everything.
Yes, sabotaging. Because instead of colonizing you want first to deal with random ass political issues and until that gets fixed what, no one can do anything?
Imagine thinking that unifying humanity to do X is "the easy way"
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>>14729164
If most industry was servicing that goal... I think it'd depend on how soon or how close we get to biological immortality. The drive times to the nearest planet outside the solar system are just too long for someone with a ~hundred year lifespan. If people are living to 300, on the other hand, losing 40 years of your life while abandoning everything you know forever might seem viable for a segment of the population. That's assuming we can make artificial black hole ships, or some similar energy break through to reach stars at relativistic speeds.

Maybe ~200 years to reach the technological degree where you could colonize via embryo ships though, if you also had a cultural shift that made such a thing desirable. No reason not to send such ships to all the nearby systems, coupled with automated terraformer ships.

Alpha Centauri (or whatever we're calling it now), would be the obvious go-to, being the nearest thing. Trappist-1 might be in the running since we can see several well placed rocky planets there. Once we colonized one exo-solar planet, the next nearest systems would likely be colonized in short order, hence that whole fermi paradox. But, it maybe that life has to put a population cap on itself to reach tier 1, so maybe no one populates more than one or two other systems, as more than that isn't required to ensure the survival of a static population.
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>>14729164
It took 8 years from Kennedy's speech to the moon landing. So cleaning the clocks in NASA, you could get to Mars in another 8 years and set up a moon base in 10 years.
2030: Mars landing
2035: Landing on 16 Psyche
2040: Permanent moon base and Psyche base
2041: Starting cargo transport 16 Psyche - Earth. Chinese metal dominance implodes overnight.
2045: Permanent Mars base and fuel stations on Deimos and Phobos
2050: Landing on Jovian moons
2060: Landing on Titan
2065: Base on Titan, sending first cargo to Earth with drop-off on Deimos and Phobos. Arab and Russian gas dominance implodes overnight.
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>>14731250
Why 16 psyche and not ceres?
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>>14729164
we couldn't even drive out of the carpark
if all of humanity joined together tomorrow we'd all be murdered and raped and eaten by niggers at the exact same moment
and civilization would be gone within hours
you have no idea how fragile civilization is
we're like the end of independence day and the ship is closing and we lose and civilization dies
that's the migration of non-whites into white lands
this will be the downfall of sentience
and we're so close to leaving
but we will never be allowed to leave
it is such a burden to witness this
you have no idea what a torrent of filth the third world is
fuck.
you meant to ask
> what if we told the entire world to fuck off and started doing cool shit in peace?
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>>14731250
you forgot:
2022: 3pm Friday lunch time, raped to death by all the niggers we joined forced with
hence:
>>14731934
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>>14729164
There is just not enough incentive to colonize other planet? Mars and other rocky planets are just barren wasteland, until someone found exotic matters on them I see no reason we will colonize other planets anytime soon.
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>>14731983
I can tell you're a women by this post
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>>14731322
16 Psyche is almost pure metal including valuable metals such as gold.
I am not sure what is on Ceres other than water, which also is valuable in space.
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>>14731985
Have you invested any significant time and money of your own in this space thing of yours?
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>>14729164
Unless you dread the conclusions of research into human differences and or you refuse to square your lifestyle with your spoken love of diversity, attempting to unify all types of humans is a waste of time. What is a good use of time is trying to develop a propulsion system that can take us to distant worlds. It is not a supposed Utopia or lack there of holding us back from spreading out. It is a lack of adequate propulsion.
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>>14731934
>we couldn't even drive out of the carpark
Who is this "we"?
If you are concerned with ethnic strife, there is still the option of CN, IL, JP or KR taking the lead off-world.
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>>14734272
>there is still the option of CN, IL, JP or KR taking the lead off-world.
But thats not hunited humanity
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>>14729164
Mars, moon, mercury and some of the saturnian moons for sure. Nearby planetary systems require lots of travel time for probes to get thete, recon the system then report back. Then a fleet has to get there
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>>14731985
you will never go to space incel
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>>14734421
kek you're fucking delusional
watch less star wars kid
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>>14729164
Then we would truly never get anywhere. Competition is the motivator for improvement.
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>>14734440
Explain how I'm wrong. Go ahead, try to form a coherent counterarguement and not just spout /pol/tard catachisms
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>>14734397
That anon's premise was that most of humanity was beyond redemption.
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>>14729164
>if we become MORE globohomo and MORE communist we can finally reach the stars
That is like, exactly the opposite of what's needed my dude
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>>14729164
>Assuming all of humanity joins together tomorrow under one flag

Venerate the Immortal God-Emperor
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>>14732052
>16 Psyche

I wonder if it will be peacefully mined or if there will be constant wars over it.

Are we just going to let the first company/country that lands on it claim all of it forever?
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>>14734879
China will fight it tooth and claw, a mining operation there will wipe out their raw material dominance politics. It will utterly tank the metal market which will be dire news for South America, Africa, much of Asia (most of all China) and parts of Australia. Most Western countries will have a lot to gain.

Just now private mining operations are permitted in some jurisdictions, and as in Antarctica, occupation is possession. UN will bend to the will of China but the US will veto Chinese attempts to stop this, but the political war will be intense. A mining operation will probably have Chinese visitors who see 16 Psyche as their rightful Tibet, so there could be skirmishes in space. China might try destroying cargo ships with deep space missiles. Space miners will return the favour by dumping a minor asteroid on Beijing. And then things start heating up.
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>>14735554
>16 Psyche

This is the holy grail of asteroids.
Control this and you literally control mankind in space.
It is like discovering The Americas times 1000
Almost unlimited amounts of valuable metals.
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>>14735649
If that's the case, why hasn't anyone designed a serious attempt at mining it even just a few tons?
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>>14735649
>$100 Quintillon worth of metal
Wouldnt that just make it nearly worthless economically?
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>>14735680
Yes, but an industrial goldmine. Electronics and fuel cell prices would tank
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>>14735680
>Wouldnt that just make it nearly worthless economically?

This is where the metal to build the future Space ships/O'Neill Cylinders/Space factories/etc. comes from.

If the initial metal composition of the asteroid is correct it is one of the most valuable objects in the Solar System
Earth, Moon, Mars, 16 Psyche
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>>14735655
People are hard at work with this and scientists are frequently asked about suggestions how to extract the hydrocarbons from Titan. They are not advertising on 4ch.

>>14735680
Worthless only as a scarcity commodity. With gold as cheap as iron, we will see a lot of new applications and a lot less corrosion problems.
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>>14735710
>With gold as cheap as iron

Imagine Gold as cheap as aluminum is now.

Gold does not corrode and is nearly infinity malleable.
Anything and everything that touches salt water could be gold plated to never corrode.
Gold eating utensils that react with no food and never corrode.
Gold window tint with fantastic UV blocking.
etc.
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>>14735722
Sounds great but would you know who allow it?
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>>14735724
>know who allow it?

That is what the big fighting over the asteroid would be about... who controls it and can mine it.
The wealth is so great that the miners would be billionaires and the management trillionairs
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>>14735722
>Gold window tint with fantastic UV blocking.
It is also excellent in reflecting infrared light, which will be a huge gain in warm and cold climates.

>>14735724
>Conspiracy
History shows that when things fall in price, even more wealth is gained from new markets. Aluminium started out as expensive as gold and is now generating more wealth than when it was part of the scarcity economy. And as >>14735722 points out, gold has enormous utility that is only hindered by the scarcity.

The same goes for platinum, rhodium and other rare metals. 16 Psyche will make the West rich. Only China and warlords in Congo and Afghanistan (where China was quick to secure deals) will lose out.
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>>14729164
>potentially colonize in the next 100, 300 and 500 years?
That's entirely dependent on how much of the technology tree we can unlock while we try to do that and what kind of stuff lies undiscovered. If we somehow get ungodly amounts of energies capable of fueling warp drives, then it's game on.
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>>14729164
>Assuming all of humanity joins together tomorrow under one flag how far and which celestial bodies do you think we could potentially colonize
None of them.
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>>14737370
>If we somehow get ungodly amounts of energies

Fusion energy, we will literally control the power of the stars.



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