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>>14482846He looks kinda handsome here, ngl
>>14482855Back to back. Nice.
>>14482846He's got what the ladies want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ux6B3bvO0wInterview into new thread
>>14482903Currently the mass to mars is about 1 billion per ton, or 1 000 000 dollars/kgElon says the cost needs to under 100 000 a ton i.e. 100 dollars/kg
>>14482846>shitty uninspired OP gets almost no (you)s despite the samefagginglol, lmao. You are the cancer killing /sfg/ but I won't even sage this post, enjoy the bump.
>>14482915I was waiting for you :)
>https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1525408819806879744Rogozin's statement about cross transfer crew between NASA/ROSCOSMOS.TL;DR Russia is desperate, ROSCOSMOS wants it, Rogozin doesn't, Putin is neutral/leaning towards career ROSCOSMOS employees rather than Rogozin's huge mouth.
>>14482855Nice, this booster is new? Busy upcoming week, another Transporter, Starliner OFT-2, New Shepard hops again, MOAR Starlinks.
>>14482909That would be cheaper than Fedex from EU to West Coast.
https://twitter.com/CosmicalChief/status/1525505361184276481Some officials visiting, unsure who, but has large security convoy
>>14482929It does not cost $100 per kilogram to ship something from Germany to California.
>>14482929e2e cargo would be even cheaper since no refill flights
>>14482909Doesn't Starship need to refuel four times to be able to go to Mars? That would have to be $2 million per launch or below. And that's for the bare minimum, no?
>>14482932Have you tried 1 hour shipping from Germany to California? It cost more than that. In fact, its priceless.
>>14482939it's kinda sad that no one in sfg is excited about the upcoming starliner flight. i'll do my best to inform
>>14482945Cost per kilogram. Nothing to do with how long it takes.
>>14482932How much does it cost? I just punched in the numbers for something 1kg and 10cm^3Ofc the rate is cheaper with a bigger packet or sending a standardized flight pallet etc. It just sounds like a very ambitious goal that's all.
>>14482947I am, whether it goes 100% right or something else fucks up on this one, I'll still be watching.
>The Flight Readiness Review for NASA’s Boeing’s Orbital Flight Test-2 has concluded, and teams are proceeding toward a 6:54 p.m. liftoff on Thursday, May 19, from Space Launch Complex-41 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida. 5 more days! :D>>14482953If this fails, I wonder if Boeing will cancel the program. They already had to foot rhe bill for this 2nd test flight, I'm not sure if they can afford another
>>14482949>timing doesn't matterOkay, I'll sell you a trillion ton shipment for $100 bucks to anywhere in the universe. Give me your cargo and the money. I'll get it there in a trillion years.
>>14482949the longer it takes, the more it costs. ever heard of wages?
>>14482919Oh no, it looks like that animefag is beating you in the insufferable personality contest, you better post some more of your famous unironic Zubrin memes or you'll only get second place.
>>14482971lol, you're the same faggot that cries about anime? Wow, what a surprise.
>>14482980Is the anti anime schizo a commie?Fuck commies.Hail Zubrin.
>>14482903Why is Elon constantly touching his hair?
>>14482944so one starship launch + 4 refuels for 2 mil each would be 10 mil and starship should be able to land 100 tons, so that would be exactly 100 dollars/kgI guess its not taking into account the cost of the starship tself, the 2 mil is the fully considered cost of the launch with multiple reuses, so idk what the actual cost for the mars starship would be, but can it be as low as 2 mil?
>>14482980He cries about Tory as well. he's just a hater lol
>>14482947I'm excited to see it fail again
>>14482984Use a starship on earth until it pays for itself then donate it to the Mars colonization effort. People will only pay for fuel.
>>14482983elon is very self-conscious, and he cant get new transplants. he knows his hair's days are numbered
>>14482989>and he cant get new transplantsYou can get as many transplants as you want. The hair can come from any part of your body.
>>14482987why? we need competition
>>14482980There are multiple faggots that cry about anime, you retarded faggot. I sense a good opportunity for a crossover event, anime Zubrin. >>14482985>He cries about Tory as wellwut, take your meds.
>>14482947It's going to fail again. I genuinely give it zero chance of success. The valve drama is a red flag.
>>14482995>gets called out>immediately pivots to denialYep that's all I needed to know
>>14482999do you think boeing engineering is dead for good?
>>14483002>Gets accused of something I wasn't apart of>denying it? yep, that means you're guilty Alright I guess I'm that guy then, you got me. Tory Bruno is a snake, now what?
I think musk now realizes he will need to do another EIS for the Mars landing so he doesnt trash the environment on Mars. This is good for planetary protection, but might delay landing another 5 years
>>14482995Yeah, that totally explains a knee-jerk reaction to a single picture.
>>14483004Yes. It's been 25 years since the McD-D merger and they have not produced one good thing in that time.
>>14483021Thats absolutely retarded
https://twitter.com/u24_news/status/1525531900739207175Starlink in use by some of the Ukrainian army to send messages back to their kids
The only schizo calls other people schizo here
>>14483024How long is their runway? pun intended
>>14482999Not accurate, Soviet space program died with the fourth failure of N-1.
>>14483029I expect them to stop being able to reliably make 737s within a decade. Total Roscosmos style collapse.
>>14483021>the same people that laugh at the concept of colonizing an inhospitable planet want you to wait 300 years out of fear that it might be hospitable to your evil earth germsAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaass
>>14483021You joke, but this WILL happen. Crabs are feeling threatened. They don't want anyone to leave.
>>14483034and then what, they'll go bankrupt? will the USG bail them out or else who will buy their IP? I dont see any smaller companies filling the void anytime soon, so Airbus monopoly
>>14483021Protect the Martian imaginary beetles.
>>14483046Acquisition by Cessna for the memes.
>>14483023>intentionally derail the new /sfg/ thread for a second time by baiting after you got wildly upset that someone pointed out Zubrin worked for a cult.>play victim and claim you dindu nuffin Kek, the state of your life.
>>14483061the wordcount of your post reveals you are unhinged
>>14483061Anon, it's a meme. Remember when you said that we actually don't like Zubrin here? Don't take everything so seriously ;)
>>14483061It was actually me last thread and you claimed Zubrin was a Marxist. There is no evidence for that.I don’t care where he worked 40 years ago and I wouldn’t care if he was a Marxist when he was younger. He is based now and that’s all that matters.Now fuck off commie.
>>14483078Anti-zubrinists are cringe, simple as
There's enough Zubrin for all of us. No need to fight for him.
Reminder, anti-Zubrin is a proxy for anti-Musk trolls
>>14483068No I just got word from Zubrin that he is going to shut down his Twitter account unless you spend another four hours defending him and the validity of the forced meme. We simply can not have a single person here saying bad things about him. >>14483078>There's no evidence he was a Marxist besides that he worked for a Marxist cult, sold Marxist literature, and also belonged to a Marxist political party but if you disagree you're a commie.I pray this is bait, did you work for LaRouche too?
it's not about moon or mars or cylindars or tunnels. it's about military superiority, it is annexation of every damn high ground, every strategic orbit
>>14483095>I pray this is bait, did you work for LaRouche too?One guy on a forum says he remembers Zubrin writing an article for LaRouche or something.This is not evidence. Maybe he was a Marxist but there is no evidence for that and is unfathomably based now.
>>14483110Space Force sees the battlefield as everything between Venus and the Main Belt.
>>14483125do you have any interesting reading or talks about this?
>>14483140I remember that there was a Space Force newsletter, or something like that, but I can't find it anymore :(
>>14483110International law has banned weaponry in space long ago, and good luck trying to untie the US from that agreement>uh we want uh, to... get weapons in space, um... yeah>Why do you need weapons in space?>well, we uh... like, for international security and all that...>No.
>>14483144>>Why do you need weapons in space?CHINA
>>14483147China is tied to the same agreement, hence China won't have weapons in space either
>>14483114I remember it because I researched this topic while you were performing autistic screeching on behalf of some boomer you believe to be a hero because he now shares your neocon /pol/tard views. All the different types of autism and you had to get the most cringeworthy.
>>14483110I don't want any urf gubmint to bother me while I'm chilling in my personal rock that I reached first. Fuck off.
>>14483159What's wrong with Fusion Energy Foundation?
>>14483164As I partially explained in the last thread it was a scam designed to funnel money to LaRouche and they worked by taking advantage of senile elderly people who gave them loans they had no intention of every paying back. Zubrin has continued grifting since then with literally the same shit, nuclear energy and colonizing Mars.
>>14483114>>14483159yeah i looked into it last year too and he was obviously an enthusiastic laroucher up through the early 80s, including one very characteristically larouchey essay deriding science fiction as a perfidious british plot. i don't really care because larouchers were always die-hard pro-space and pro-SDI and i don't begrudge people for radical political sympathies (i may harbor a few myself).
>>14483181>he /x/-games mode>>14483163You have no choice
>>14483181>By the mid-1980s, the FEF was being accused of fraudulent fundraising on behalf of other LaRouche entities. >Federal prosecutors forced it into bankruptcy in 1986 to collect contempt of court fines, a decision that was later overturned when a federal bankruptcy court found that the government had acted "in bad faith"
>>14483140https://breakingdefense.com/2022/04/to-infinity-and-beyond-new-space-force-unit-to-monitor-xgeo-beyond-earths-orbit/They created the Space Force to be more than a satellite management department. It makes sense when you think about it long term.
>>14483144>thinking countries actually follow international law
>>14483024The 787 is based though
>>14483197baby steps, anon
>>14483144Only nuclear weaponry
>>14483208Based on what?
>>14483159Seethe commie. Zubrin is based.
>>14483159>the zubrin hater hates nuclear toolike pottery
>>14483191gay glowies FAIL to bring down based LaRouche
>>14483219He is the anti natalist fag from two threads ago too.
>>14483140Here.https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Portals/10/AUPress/Papers/WF_0079_LOHMEIER_THE_BETTER_MIND_OF_SPACE.PDF>>14483156>expecting the Chinese to abide by a deal with foreigners>ever
>>14483209USSF also has a larger budget than NASA. So who knows what they’re developing.
>>14483215earlier boeing jetliner designs
>>14483191It was a mistrial because the government seized their money in advance despite nonprofits being ineligible for involuntary bankruptcy. The government then went after them individually leading to LaRouche's conviction for fraud. Also he was an informant for the FBI and had an inner circle consisting of almost exclusively Jews so it's no surprise some of them walked free. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_criminal_trials>>14483216Get new material for your forced meme.
>>14483215Based on excellent aeronautical engineering design principles.
>>14483223Yeah that isn't true either. I suggesting trying another tactic, you're the boy who cried wolf at this point.
>>14483159neoconservatism is like the opposite of /pol/
>>14483234Could you elaborate?
>>14483243the protrusions from the side of the fuselage are called wings, they utilize an aeronautical engineering design principle known as aerodynamic lift to make the plane fly.
Post space-related art and photography you’d put on your wall
In this thread we love Zubrin.
>>14483144when it actually matters, those agreements are going to be used as toilet paper
>>14483255no arms control treaty is really meant to last forever, but if it can keep nations from spending big money on new weapons systems for a few decades then it's done its job
Tervitused Eestist! Couldn't find anything spaceflight related here, although the medieval city is quite nice
I wish Polyus didn't fail
>>14483241Neocons with additional contrarianism is a fair description of many of /pol/tards, if they were the opposite they would be anti-free market and pro-communism. Zubrin fag is more a 2016 god emperor Trump magapede whatever that falls under besides extreme retardation.
>>14483267the opposite of neoconservatism is just antisemitism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFDkWL2Hmh855 mins till Starlink livestreamIts a new booster too.
>>14483144>he thinks treaties matterlmaoUN shit is theatre for goyimCountries have only ever paid lip service to themeven if it were law, laws only matter when they can be enforced, and no country can enforce shit against the US or China
>>14483272Well Zubrin is a Jew so that doesn't work.
>>14483253Was thinking about framing this
>>14483267>Zubrin fag is more a 2016 god emperor TrumpDelusional. Kys commie.
>>14483283i think it's your attempt at political taxonomy that doesn't work, anon...
>>14483266It would have been to interesting to see what Russia did with it after the fall of the USSR. They did paint "Mir 2" on its side so I imagine had it successfully made orbit it would have been titled as such. So would they have just let the weapons part of it be mothballed and use it as the core for a new station? Or would they have just ignored it completely and focused on the original Mir like they did in our timeline. And how would it have affected ISS plans? A lot of neat things to think about
>>14483290>tfw Russia and USA will never collaborate on space travel again We could have conquered the stars together.
>>14483307>They did paint "Mir 2" on its side so I imagine had it successfully made orbit it would have been titled as such. So would they have just let the weapons part of it be mothballed and use it as the core for a new station?that was just to throw off the public and the americans. they didn't want anyone knowing they were putting a laser testbed in orbit.
>>14483292It's far more accurate than describing pol as the opposite of neocons and then changing that definition to mean antisemitism. >>14483291>Denial without any substanceThere's no way someone with your personality wouldn't worship Trump, you just replaced him with god emperor Zubrin and treat criticism of him like a personal attack against you. Zubrinpede, let's make nuclear great again!
>>14483313the project orion book was the worst for these sort of feels. the guys working on it seriously believed a joint 50-man soviet/american mission to enceladus in the 1970s was possible.
it's over muskrats
>>14483221HOLY OMEGA BASED why dont people talk this anymore??
>>14483326Truly this is the darkest timeline.
>>14483324>jew>neocon>opposes russiaThat totally fits your description.
Check this shit out
>>14483342is that supposed to save weight over normal wings?
>>14483265are you coming to america when starship launches?
>>14483342Based but good luck fitting that in a hangar. Unless they give it folding wings like the new 777X.
>>14483282>>14483305what is the lore here? cute yet creepy...
>>14483317Yeah obviously. It's just interesting to think about what does a cash strapped Russia does with a space station core integrated with an orbital laser post USSR. A lot of Mir 2 plans have it being a much more militarized station so would they have followed that up or reorient it for purely research purposes? Maybe Priroda and Spektr would have been docked to it rather than the original Mir
>>14483351Semen demons ate the astronaut.
>>14483345The long skinny wings are supposed to improve fuel efficiency, like a gliding albatross. The trusses are to prevent wing droop.
>>14483349i dont think it will ever be built
>>14483340>That totally fits your description.Uh yes? Zubrin is literally a Jewish neocon that opposes Russia, the edgier /pol/tards would despise him thus the Zubrin worshiper likely has similar views.
>>14483357yeah but why, is that normal?
>>14483368Yes, that's why we're sending a woman on the first mission.
>>14483364I meant to say that with those traits, Trump-worshipping /pol/tards and Zubrin worshippers are not likely to overlap.
>>14483348We'll see, a trip to Estonia is leagues cheaper than ~week stay in the US. My dad was there in 1986 and he's always talked about going back again, though he wanted to leave Florida ASAP
>>14483371Thank you for explaining, I'm really dumb about Moon fauna and such...
>>14483351Never trust a loli.
>>14483351No lore. https://twitter.com/nanaju_ko/status/1497151589865619457
>>14483305Why is one of them crying?
>>14483398The astronaut 1cc'd her game.
>>14483379I don't see why not, Trump is heavily influenced by jewish neocons and he would be hawkish on Russia right now, plus it has been six years so we can only hope that the Zubrinfag grew up a little since then.
>>14483409> he would be hawkish on Russia right nowi like to think that he'd vacillate between tweeting threats to nuke moscow and complaining that we're sending ukraine too much money
>>14483379yeah Zubrin bitched and moaned a lot about Trump. bet he misses him now though
>>14483249Wtf? Wild.Wonder if you could use those to help get something into orbit.
>>14483398She heard elon wants to build his summer house on the moon.
>>14483416He's basically said as much at rallies this year.
>>14483398she's the only one whose hands arent bloody. make of that what you will
>>14483396pt 1, moon loli bunny falls in love with carrot astronaut. see the heart in bottom right>>14483282pt 2, the moon loli from pt 1 can be seen on the far left, clearly concerned. she knows her friends will eat the astronaut>>14483305pt 3, the inevitable happens. crying loli is sad that the others ate her astronaut lover. she does not kill or consume him, and instead cries
Launch 15 minutes
Bad news fellers, Zubrinfag just committed a mass shooting.
Facts: Nobody is going to want to cram into a Starship rocket for 3-6 months, with no landing pad on Mars and no way back. Not even astronauts.
>>14483446Good news, it occurred within the halls of Congress
Zubrinfag has just flown over my house
>>14483265You should come visit Bulgaria, finnanon. I'll host you.
GOTY just came outhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1693780/Orbital_Combat/
>>14482923What does this even represent
>>14483475Honestly, they took too long to release this. So long that the interesting concept has lost meaning already.
>>14483484The one on the left is /sfg/ and it's dying. The one of the right is me as an anime girl in a stupid costume.
>>14483475I was expecting some pure autism space warfare with realistic physics. My disappointment is immeasurable.
>>14483484well it's two starliners. i assume the one on the left is oft1, dying in agony, and the one on right is oft2. they both have valve problems........it's terminal
>>14483495have you tried Children of Dead Earth already?
>>14483441They obviously turned the guy into one of them.
>>14483510I thought that was possible at first, but the same loli appears in each panel. they ate him, not the good loli tho
clean rocket filthy fairings
It's not hard. Maglev to accelerate slow and well then launch a human in a reasonable size... With storage and etc.Use.plasteel and formula 1 On a singular tube engine... Without deceit of costs 1 mil a unit...
Beautiful day at the cape today
>>14483515She did kill him though, look at the life support hose that must have been severed before she brought him down to the Moon.
>>14483526Read this just as the guy was saying this on the stream. Thanks for making me realize I was behind.
>>14483515This shit has no right to be this cryptic. But yeah, I think you might be right. Especially considering >>14483396 has a heart in the tether.
>Crimea not in Ukraine in the mapElon confirmed pro-Russia
Falcon 9 will transition
mamma mia, excellent shot from the ground
>that one person clapping
Chemical liars and boo.philosophy ... Ruubber and rustfoot... Digwalls... IDIOTS
uhhhhh the mvac is pulsating
Love from Paradise Beach
>>14483551>stops after a momentWe don't clap when a train successfully leaves a station or an ocean freighter arrives on time, this is just normal now.
>>14483527yeah maybe she didnt want to kill him, but she brought him down there to his death anyway. is she sorry for him, or herself? she is guilty either way.and yeah, the hose breaking would have killed him fast, but i dont think the artist has a clue about that. i think it more symbolizes him removing his link to safety, he is now in the clutches of danger
>>14483554Mvac release.theorem sen increase.sen, delete appele
Isaac Arthur made a video on artificial magnetosphere for Mars. His videos have been so boring since the pandemic.https://youtube.com/watch?v=P1Ckav2NIFc
>>14482924Is it important to operations to have cross flight seating or is this one of those goodwill PR things to show international cooperation?
>>14483565>boring since the pandemic.yup...but this one was good
>>14483431She's also the only one not holding hands in the last panel, no blood on her at all, while the others are much bloodier after eating the guy
>>14483283pol doesn't like zubrin
>>14483571A nice soft touchdown
>t-thanks FAA, you make sure we couldn't do it without you
>>14482989Hope he got the non-scaring type of transplant so he doesn't look like a golf ball when he has to shave it off eventually.>>14482993Nobody wants to see a head full of ass hair.
>>14483579The FAA is necessary and anyone who says otherwise doesn’t realize a lack of regulation leads to 9/11-tier hijinks
He should just start lifting, like Jeff.
>>14483566There's PR aspect to show that ROSCOSMOS still wants to respect some treaties and to show they're professional. If Russia gets through this war with minimal deterioration of relations or rather restoration of relations slowly, they'd want partnership with US as that's the most desirable position they want to be in. Relations with China wont take Russia far in prestige.
>>14483508we need a modern version of coade with good graphics and a dedicated dev team
>>14483589The FAA is necessary for somethings, it's not necessary for all the things it currently tries to do.
>>14483571Somebody get a webm of this landing, that was cool
>>14483595Do you think China's incompatible orbit of their space station factors into this? If Russia could hook up with China, would they consider ditching ISS?
>>14483589>Oy vey 9/11 was like a personal holocaust for amerilards, neveer forgetI don't give a shit 9/11, just get the TSA to stop molesting me each time I have to take a plane
>>14483604Hope he never goes with a Ted Turner 'stache.
>>14483606Just pop a boner whenever they do it and give them suggestive looks. If they're going to make things uncomfortable for you then you can do it right back.
>>14483609he'll probably look more like this handsome guy
>>14483606TSA's woke hiring practices virtually guarantees that you're going to be patted down by a homosexual.
>>14483602making webm of full mission
>>14483610anon, you're gonna make me miss my flight
>>14483617Bless you anon
>>14483605>Do you think China's incompatible orbit of their space station factors into thisYes, but even without so, Russia would be completely stupid to give up partnership with US. Russia occupies a special place for US diplomacy. Even if their geopolitics are deteriorated, they're still respected enough. If Russia gives that up, they're in for a loss.
what would you do with a 100 kT superconductor with a 1789K critical temperature /sfg/?
>>14483632Any respect Russia still had fell apart in the last few months.
>>14483633i love that they called it that, i hate shows&movies that try to over complicate "space magic science"
>>14483644They can still salvage what little they have. Russia inherited Soviet Unions' glory days. Post-Putin can inherit what remains of it. Instead of flushing it down the drain.Russia still has a chance to make ammends with international community.
>>14483587Someone post that image of Elon's SNL with the different hairstyles
>>14483633>tfw you will never homeschool your children with Avatar textbooks and teach them it’s real
>>14483644Never underestimate russians, they will crawl back home, lick their wounds, claim they won, and in a decade will be acting as if they are top dog again. And i hope in all of this bullshit they dont cut the budget of ROSCOSMOS even more, they already are on a lifeline.
>>14483633>>14483644>>14483650Gay AI babies. Make magtraps with carbon fibers.
>>14483650The "International Community" is busy suiciding itself. No reason to invest in a depreciating asset.
>>14483655Russia is pathetic.>coast on decaying soviet technology >ruled by mafia thugs who hoard wealth and stifle technological progress; poison anyone who gets in their way>bully weaker neighbors and then claim they’re the victim>throw temper tantrums on the world stage and threaten nukesFuck the Russian government. All the good things about Russia is smothered by their retarded system.
>>14483670There needs to be a group of scientists and engineers that are allowed to work together no matter where they’re from. Complete with translators, quality housing, freedom to do whateverImagine a team of the smartest Chinese, Russians, Americans, French etc working on interstellar travel and terraforming. We’d be in Alpha Centauri in a year.
>>14483683fuck off commie
>>14483686It bothers me when they switch to just the interstage cam just before MECO
>>14483719>humans should just fight and compete between their “tribes” for eternity
>>14483731competition is the driving force behind innovation
Laser pulse for the vacuum slit... Pour energy.like ramjet...
>>14483633Pocket fusion reactors to make DFD style plasma pistols.
Wonder if it was ever serioushttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayak_(rocket_family)
>>14483824how much power would it take to do this?
>>14482915Freaking out over an OP for a general is the surest sign that you are the single most annoying person in the thread and have autistic control issues
>"The thing that is like really counterintuitive about the Starship is that it's not an aircraft, it's falling. So were just constantly trying to break as opposed to an aircraft that is, an aircraft is trying to generate lift and fly horizontally. We are trying to generate drag and be as draggy as possible when we fall."MUSK SAID ITSTARSHIP IS NOT A SPACEPLANE
>>14483814>finnish subtitlesperkele :DDD
>>14483851many a old general goes to the shitter once one single person tries to become the main OP behind it, by trying to subtly trying tosteer discussion to his liking, this gets exarcebated when autist #2 gets mad about this and tries to do the same, this usually ends in 2-5 people being the only ones who make new threads and calling each other objectively shit and the worst thing to happen to /general/
>>14483871ITS OVERSPACEPLANE BROS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>14483872kyllä :Dslava ukraiini
>>14483871Musk claims to be a pilot who has flown fighter jets down the sides of mountains and shitIs he full of it or do you think he really did that?
>>14483913What is this? An AI generated response? Utter nonsense
>>14483913Got a source on Musk making those claims? I've never seen anyone post that before.
Unless some incredibly valuable resource is discovered on Mars, the number of Starships needed for crew return trips will be dwarfed by the number sending supplies to Mars. Sending along enough fuel for empty Starships to return to Earth doesn't seem like it would be worth the cost. As a result, there will be plenty of extra Starships on Mars. How difficult would it be to retrofit them, especially the fuel sections, to be habitats? Is there a good way to lay them down without damage?
>>14483924https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-flew-military-l39-fighter-jet-trainer-airplanes-2018-8?op=1>Christian Davenport of the Washington Post extracted more details about Musk's L-39 flights for his 2018 book, "The Space Barons: Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and the Quest to Colonize the Cosmos.">”I'd do acrobatics in it and fly at tree top level, fly up a mountain invert and fly back down the other side," Musk said in the book.What a lying faggot
>>14483893Yep. And this faggot has been doing this for about a year now. SAD! Well there’s other posters
>>14483907Why are theatres in europe designed look like giant monsters?
Reminder: If a post frustrates you, do not respond, and they will go away.
>>14483851Lurk more, that guy keeps making OPs in an attempt to troll and derail the thread with Z*brin shitposts. If no one gets baited off the bat like today he resorts to samefagging. Don't encourage him.
>>14483871He's describing the space shuttle
>>14483982This is exactly what “someone” said last summer about every single OP that wasn’t him so I’m getting pretty certain you’re that same schizoBtw I’ve been here longer than u ^__^ kys autist-kun~!
In case you were wondering, people are currently trying to blame musk for the most recent American mass shooting. Yes, really
>>14484028Congrats on immediately proving me right. Why does every general at some point get a schizo who becomes obsessed with controlling the opinions, discussion and even OPs of generals? It’s fucking bizarre. They always get one fag who spams his retarded opinions, insists that everyone has always agreed with him, accesses everyone else of being a troll, makes second generals over minor shit, and generally derails every thread over stupid things that trigger his autism. And they’re always some random eastern euro too
>>14484029no they arent
>>14484029Don't concern yourself with the bleatings of NPCs and bots, they forget their own utterances as quickly as the sun rises.
>>14484050why are there still so many starship renders of the Mk 1 ugly thing
>>14484032It’s mostly the shorts, but in the next week expect headlines about how his talk about population decline being in line with the mass shooter’s manifesto
>>14484050ITS.. what could've been..
>>14484052Era of peak hype (thus far): reality hadn't kicked in yet.
>>14484029They're also trying to blame Trump for the baby formula shortage. When people decide on a personal demon, they try to find ways to blame them for everything bad. Human nature or contemporary societal nature?
>>14484052They're made by third worlders who don't have access to information
>>14482983because his hair is somewhat long and it's windyhow did this escape your notice?
>>14483913Search YouTube for Musk jet stuntWsg has airplanes thread, there's a webm there
>>14483573>yup...but this one was good>no Rs in this replyit checks out
>>14484028This.>>14484027I don't make OPs and I've been here since before Starship hopped. Just leave your forced meme bullshit from the /sfg/ OP, you legitimately autistic little faggot. >>14484031You couldn't project any harder if you tried, you throw a tantrum and spam the thread every time someone speaks bad of anime. LMAO
>>14484137>crying ESL or Romanian>crying schizo>samefagging>rocket equation strawman nonsense>hijacking new threads to force your bullshit and derailing them>spammingDo you ever get tried of wasting your life like this? You can project all you want but I actually believe you have some type of mental health issue.
>>14484145The fact that you’re so triggered here is not exactly making a great case for yourself. It’s not my fault your English grammar isn’t great. The rest of this is just nonsense. You’ve been the only one derailing over the OP. Btw you are talking to multiple people.
>>14483606the massive sweeping power grabs that they'll never give up are more a product of government corruption and hostility towards its own population than anything to do with the FAA
>>14483046Don't forget Embraer. They are the true gigachads of commercial aviation.
incorrectly applied the 3.5x patch to ksp and the rocket i built for the escape the atmosphere contract accidentally went interplanetary
>>14484153>Btw you are talking to multiple people.You and your various samefag identities are not "multiple people" anime schizo, you constantly do the same thing in every thread so it's trivial to point you out and my feelings towards you are more pity than anger. You should just stop attention seeking, trolling, and spamming but that would detract from whatever dumb meme you're trying to push like your life depends on it.
WE ARE GOING(with SpaceX)
>>14483646>Its real chemical name is over twenty syllables long. I just call it unobtanium.
>Zubrin spammer and anime schizo are the same personOh how shocking, no one saw this coming despite that they always behave in the same way.
>>14484145Hi, please stop avatarfagging as my coworkers you creepy gypsy.t. Astranon
>>14484179>>14484165What the fuck are you talking aboutAre you seriously having this big of a meltdown over the fact that someone put zubrin in the OP image? I didn’t even notice him until I saw you melting down. Who fucking cares? Seriously who the fuck cares about something like this?Does fucking ANYONE care about OP images? It doesn’t fucking matter.
>>14484031This but German or Mexican instead of eastern euro.
Wait, is the guy having a meltdown over Zubrin on the OP? We’ve been doing this since forever.I was the one debating him in the last thread and only came back now. Guy is a complete retard, started talking about trump for no reason.
>>14484195Also I hadn’t even noticed Zubrin on the OP.
>>14484183>posts one reaction image>avatarfagging >but don't mind me constantly claiming that I work for Astra yet never releasing any information of value beyond stating that their hardware is garbage which everyone knew and showing off my shitty child tier drawings.You might actually be the only person in the thread more delusional than him, you actually believe you have a real job and that Astra isn't a complete joke. That's hilarious. >>14484188If only it was just in the OP but he is constantly trying to popularize Zubrin and rocket girls here, often using underhanded tactics like samefagging. See (>>14484195 and >>14484196) >>14484195>we've been doing this since forever>weOkay CSS.
>>14484206This is not how a normal, mentally healthy person thinks or acts…
>>14484206>his theory of mind is so bad he can't even tell the rocketgirl OC maker apart from the Astra posterYou're legitimately not smart enough to use 4chan. Consider suicide.
>>14484213Holy fucking SHIT stop with the fucking poptartspam. You post pedotarts every thread to force your bullshit bait and derail and then samefag when you don’t get attention. Fucking autist faggot, I know you’re the Boing! spammer and the anti-shelby schizo too.
>>14482982Zubrin is a commie you tourist fuck
>>14484213>everyone MUST know that I'm not the real source of these retarded child like drawings, I just spam them constantly for attentionYeah, I think you'd be surprised how little people care about you and the hours you spend shitposting here. Your sole goal in life is to force your unfunny and stale memes onto this general yet you think I'm going to be the one considering suicide, kek.
>>14483928Just make fuel on Mars to send them back>>14483982Retard
>>14484164BasedHeliocentric or actually interplanetary
LET'S GO REDDIT!
How mad does elon actually get at tim in this interview?
>>14484279Tim almost died, Elon's eyes almost discharged the n-beam
>>14484279He called him a faggot and an anime-spammer
>>14484282>the n-beamI think from someone who grew up in South Africa that R would be hard enough to cut inconel.
>>14484195(you) have maybe
>>14484206lmao unhinged schizosfg is not dead we have this schizo to entertain us
>>14484218Opreste-te cu nenorocitul de poptartsspam. Postați pedotarts în fiecare fir pentru a vă forța momeala și deraiarea și apoi faceți același lucru când nu atrageți atenția. Nenorocitut de autist, știu că ești Boing-ul! spammer și schizo anti-shelby.
>>14484308I hate this design
>>14484317I like the head, the rest is meh. Picked a random picture to trigger the schizo.
>>14484314Oh hi Dumitru, how's the EcoRocket coming along? all ready ready to disrupt the space and kettle industry?
I felt really uncomfortable when Elon shouted "Sieg Heil" and held the pose for five solid minutes until he finally browbeat Tim Dodd into returning the salute
Does anybody have that image circa DM-2 of Elon attempting to hate the Estronaught to death while Jim smiles through his mountain dew
>>14484308does it make you feel good knowing you destroyed the best spaceflight forum?
>>14484179You finally figured it out ;)
>>14484340I know exactly who ruined esefgee and it was some retarded faggot who sperged out over OPs, anime, and equations
>>14484340/r/SpaceX and the lab padre discord are better.
>>14484340don't be so dramatic
>>14484349>damn y do ppl not like it when i try 2 force garbage down their throats? it must be their fault. it certainly couldn't be that i have a terminal case of autism cancer
>>14483633i love how they just throw in maglev trains into the list of scifi tech along with superliminal communications and shit
>>14484279Didnt seem to get that mad, a bit like "what is this retarded talking about again", but not mad
>>14484366Yeah the cringe wasn't nearly as bad as some of the buzz I saw last thread would have indicated.
>>14484359Just ignore it.if you dont like it, you basically shcizo spam over half the thread and probably the last one as wellEven if the premise was correct ( posting zubrin and anime images is bad), there would be like 1/10 as many posts if it had been ignored instead of you going on a meltdown
>>14484349We can rebuild /sfg, bros.
>>14484382I got to the part where he is about to kill the dragon and there wasn't any smut so I got bored
>>14484391https://www.sofurry.com/view/1582498part 4 has the tags sex, rough sex, and oral.
>>14484374>Just ignore cancer bro, it's not like it will keep growing or anything>Even if the premise was correct It is correct, good memes don't have to be spammed with samefagging in order to propagate them, they have to do it because most of /sfg/ is disinterested in them. Failing to deal with anime schizo's faggotry has been disastrous for /sfg/, we are bleeding users left and right. Even without infighting the threads get spammed with the same tired images WE've seen countless times so it almost always degrades into long periods of low effort shitposting. 2019 and 2020 /sfg/ was so much better even during slow periods as the image limit prevented a lot of shitposting. Why would anyone spend their time expertly crafting a post just so that it's lost in a sea of anthropomorphized rocket girls and man-children pretending they are little girls?
>>14484419In 2019 and 2020 the collageschizo spammed pointless trash through the image limit
>>14484419shut the fuck up and never post here again
>>14484419Yeah the threads suck now cause of the schizo which I predicted the first time he made a double thread. Kill yourself, you are the cancer and you haven’t made a single post that wasn’t whining about other posts. Go become a discord mod if you want to be a control freak
Guys I've been having better spaceflight discussion on fucking /pol/ tonight. Get it together.
>>14484419You arent going to get them to stop by posting these long tirades, you are probably just encouraging it and at rhe same time you ahit up the threads like never before
>>14484427It was spaceplane spam that necessitated raising the image limit, we never actually addressed the root issue and it plagues us to this day. >>14484435I make quality /sfg/ posts, you don't notice them because I'm anonymous and I don't avatarfag with retarded memes. >>14484447>abusing the report system again and crying to the janniesKek, how could you get more pathetic?
>>14484448I'm not telling. I don't want the Romanian following me over there.
>abusing the report system again>againmeds
would be getting into asteroid mining a good idea now?
>>14484463No. Get into the infra necessary for the space economy. Space station parts and supplies for example.
>>14484349says the guy who drove out all of our traffic because he couldn't keep himself from spamming pedo cartoons.
>>14484462>abusing the report system againYes, anime schizo, you've frequently done this. Imagine not only samefagging but filing multiple reports using different IPs.
>>14484467but thats gay, I like the idea of space mining
>>14484482We are not there yet.
>>14484429>>14484435>>14484444>>14484445Reminder: If a post frustrates you, do not respond, and they will go away.
>>14484350thanks for outing yourself
>>14484485This anime redditnigger never went away
>>14484511>provoking a discussion of the morality behind Martian-made genetically engineering abominationsAn excellent point, anon!
Wow, you post cartoons of little girls in /sfg/ everyday? So cool!
Any new information from the recent estronaut interview?
>>14484516Read my book
>>14484475I’ve literally never posted anime here.
>>14484540Source:I just made it up lol
>>14484531SpaceX is declaring war on Romania, calling them "gay vampires."
>>14484539Professor, I wish for a clarification within the final chapter of your seminal thesis: When you wrote, “God I want to fuck Krystal star fox so bad bros and dump cummies in her tummy on Mars,” wouldn’t that be the universally illegal act of zoophilia?
>>14484566100% based and redpilled.
very important pollhttps://poal.me/d4n94
go back to /stg/
>>14484580speaking of /stg/the anti-anime schizo is clearly anti-spacexits probably why he is being paid to shit up these threads
2 more weeks until approval
>>14484582>everything I don't like is a paid shillI'm more inclined to believe that it is merely a severely mentally impaired individual
>>14484531Forward flaps might be removed, the location, size and angle is also hotly debatedThe grid fins on the booster might also be removed for flaps, or just use 2 gridfins and one small gridfin
>>14484623>itMy pronouns are he/him/based. You could just ignore my posts if I didn't live rent free in your head and you weren't a hypocrite. >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HE SAID SOMETHING BAD ABOUT MUH ANIME !!! BAN HIM!!!!
>>14484548>he still hasn't responded to krystalposter on twitterUntil we have further information we can assume Zubrin just likes to watch Krystal getting fucked and that is just fantasy
>>14484658Thanks but I don't get paid by engagement and I don't care how many strangers upvote my 4chanddit gold account so your (you)s are meaningless to me.
>>14484673Very nice, our friendship is certainly blossoming. Why don't you tell me a bit about yourself, at what age did you realize you were a pedophile?
photo from last flyover
>>14484539>>14484548This dirty fucking communist will never see mars
>>14484747He doesn't want to go to Mars, he is just happy to collect his hefty pension from the Mars Society and all the losers that give him money for doing effectively nothing besides propose retarded shit like mini-Starship.
>>14484747Damn you’re really mad about him lol.
why doesn't the mars society crowdfund a starship launch to mars this year?i am sure elon would give it a go if he was being paid
>>14484766t. his pay piggy, make sure to renew your $250 Mars Society membership, you're really helping to colonize the planet, bro>>14484776Because it's literally a scam and they don't care, they've never done anything besides LARP as astronauts in the desert.
wow what a shit threadi need a janny to delete my memory of everything i read today since as of late reading /specialflamingos general/ reduces IQ by two standard deviations
>>14484786just ignore it, bro. pro-tip: exit out of /sfg/ without reading anything to save time
Alright you asked for itThe official /sfg/ discord has just launched!https://discord.gg/pbeTjs6f8m
Is SpaceX the first in US history to launch 2 back to back rockets in one day?
>>14484786>>14484805Its this discord tranny.
Not a bad thread, all things considered
>>14484810Sorry anon but the official /sfg/ discord will have moderation and you won't be allowed to say words like that
>>14484819here you gohttps://www.reddit.com/r/space/hope you like astronomy
>>14484819i'm thinking about applying to be nasa astronaut
None of those things are spaceflight in the slightest, I curse you with failed launches starting from now onBegone faggots
>>14484831See you tomorrow
>>14484831anon i posted literal spaceflight here >>14484820
>>14484831>I curse you with failed launches starting from now onDon't threaten me with a good time.>>14484829The only group that may take you is ESA but they want physically disabled astronauts, not mentally disabled.
>>14484829>wanting to be a glorified janitor
https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/upk307/nasa_safety_advisors_voice_concerns_over_boeings/>“One possible option that has been identified for launching Starship is from a planned new facility within the physical boundaries around pad 39A at the Kennedy Space Center, where Dragons are launched from,” West said. “There are obvious safety concerns about launching the large, and as yet unproven, Starship in such close proximity, reportedly only 300 yards or so, from another pad, let alone the path so vitally necessary for the commercial crew program.”>Is this the same "independent" safety panel that recommended that different parts of the Artemis program, under separate operational directors, be placed under a single mission director and handed to a single prime contractor? Coincidentally, that's an oh-so-traditional arrangement that would all but preclude any more competitive bids or commercial partners.
>>14484843we're going back anon
>>14484852no you aren'tspacex mixologists will see more flight time than any nasa janitors
>>14484857wrongspacex nurses will see more flight time too
>>14484861>Wrong>he doesn't know
>>14484866We are going
>>14484855Jumping from the top of the high bay once SpaceX is reveled to be a scam doesn't count as flight time.
found the anti-anime schizos (von braun tranny) reddit accounthttps://www.unddit.com/r/space/comments/upj6bd/elon_musk_explains_updates_to_starship_and_tours/>I loath Musk with the fiery passion of a thousand suns.>Trans women. Which I am.i wish /sci/ had spoilers so i could post the pictureinstead have a linkhttps://www.reddit.com/r/transpositive/comments/akvrxr/be_gentle_was_goofing_around_with_makeup_and_wig/
>>14484875This is just a random troon.
>>14484875I don't use Reddit and trannies love anime so come up with better bait, you absolute retard.
>>14484881>not denying that you are von braun trannyLOL
>>14484883>not denying that you are von braun trannyI just did, trannies (and pedophiles) love anime.
>>14484875>unironically posting redditpeople used to get banned for shit like this
>>14484887Trannies also drink water. I hope you don't do that.
Why has Elon gotten so fat ?
>>14484875I regret looking at the second link
>>14484889>basic human necessity like consuming liquid is just like watching animeAre you intentionally trying to sound fucking retarded? Is this a false flag? I myself am not the original "anime is for pedos" guy.
Ship 25, Booster 8, orbit. just like valthewyvern said
>>14484875I really dont think this person has ever posted here and I think you’re just looking for people to get mad about things you’re mad abouit
>>14484901>>14484880>>14484881your samefag seething leads me to believe that i was correct
>>14484904none of these are me, the actual guy you're mad at
>>14484914>>14484912>>14484909>>14484908i don't know who is lying anymore
>>14484914You took too long, work on your editing skills.
>>14483002Clear is so very funny
>>14482930https://twitter.com/jokowi/status/1525649617890648064Might have been the Indonesian president he met.
>>14484679>>14484697I hate this shit
>>14484815nigger go homer
>>14484928>Indonesian president Aussie bros… we lost
>>14484881the known tranny who posts on sfg and wants to have von Braun's babies hates anime
>>14484896if you can get used to the pressure on your balls this is unironically a comfortable way to get some rest
>>14484928why are the Indonesians trying to get Elon to build a launchsite in their shithole
>>14484928Might have been the clerk from my local convenience store, hard to tell.>>144849361/10 bait
>>14484945don't make me go find this whole conversation I had with that fuckeris there a /sci/ archive that's alive that covers 2019-2020?
>>14484942EquatorSome Indonesians see it as a way forward economically and a way politically to become a regional power play and throw their weight around more against Australia. I think they want to be seen as allies roughly on the same level of importance as Australia because being americas ally gives you the ability to get away with more
>>14484974we should take a fat shit all over their government
>>14484974They should be talking to Astra instead. I don't really see a reason to build a launch site for such big rockets in that area.What would be the point having Starship there? There are no Starlink factories there and not many customers.
>>14484942Indonesia is unironically one of the best places for a launch site>equator>stable>decent infrastructure (for an equatorial country anyway)If you gonna minmax, you want a launch site there or south America. Africa doesn't really have the proper infrastructure and stability to support a launch site right now.
>>14484988>stablenot after I'm through with it
>>14484945>>14484928It was almost certainly him, that motorcade looks like a foreign head of state one and he was there yesterday.
>>14484928>foreign head of state travels to US>goes to visit Musk firstBidenbros?
>>14484988>Africa doesn't really have the proper infrastructure and stability to support a launch site right now.Pretty sure a launch site in an African country isn’t far fetched if they are currently able to host this.
>>14485006That's in South Africa so not really that close to the equator, but yes South Africa could host a launch site. I meant equatorial African countriesNo idea how much of a difference few thousand km actually make. Florida is 3000km from equator, would it really be worth it to get even closer?
>>14485011>I meant equatorial African countriesYou’re correct.Theres no way equatorial African countries can host a launch site.
>>14485011don't look at distance, look at the angleI forget which angle it is, lat or long because my brain is very smooth and I should have been asleep long ago
>made 1 post about "rocket"girl-fag>schizo meltdown filtered when i wake up due to schizo iphonepostingNeat!
>>14484974Wow, I can't believe Indonesia is more intelligent than 90% of the world.
>>14485032There is actually already a launch site off the coast of Kenya.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broglio_Space_Center
New threads probably shouldn't be launched in schizo hours when they can't get enough (youse) elsewhere, makes derailing so much easier>>14485055Nice. Musk is chatting with politicians in SEA these days, shit infrastructure in Borneo but good launch sites that no one will ever complain about like the fucking FAA. Maybe easier from East Malaysia/Singapore logistics wise idk. Port of Singapore is the 2nd biggest on Earth, labor is cheap as fuck too.Pic related is Indo President with Mememaster
>>14485062US Company therefore the FAA is involved or no launches
>>14485062FAA has universal jurisdiction, including in Indonesia (and on Mars also)
>>14484988They should build one in Malaysia, the only people to believe in SpaceX during its early days. Pottery.
>>14483265I did find spaceflight related stuff, one of the best flea markets I’ve ever been inNew stamps coming up, along with some pins
>>14485063> US CompanyFor how long fatburger. Keep up the kafkaesuq FAA nightmare though, I'm sure it bodes well for you in future.>>14485064Nice bait
>>14485072> 5N latitude with nothing but clear ocean eastwards is as good as it gets > Singapore port is peak logistics> Land is cheap> Labor is cheap> UK common law> 85% of the same flag as the US> Government will just bend over backwards and allow anything for a photo-op when half of America will cheer on anyone who can *Own the Muskies* for 5 mins in their ADHD addled social media brainsIt's a simple choice. That or Mexico. FAA is broken and corrupted as fuck, stop trying to fight it. Just leave.
>>14485097Here’s everything, not including a vinyl record ”Звeздaм нaвcтpeчy», collection of soviet space songs
>>14485283>>14485287Here’s the vinyl record
Astronaut meets creepy cannibalistic rabbitgirls in space >>14483305AMERICAN Astronaut meets creepy cannibalistic rabbitgirls in space >>14484852
>>14485331Both are American
>>14484805kill yourself you fucking piece of human garbage
>>14485333see that flag?that one is from Belarus
>>14485359Elon is a heckin chonker
https://mobile.twitter.com/setkabgoid/status/1525607878748295169Why is his face red? Some kind of weird filter?
>>14485365Alcoholism.Space is hard.
>>14485365That looks like a mild sunburn
>>14485365I thought gilbert gottfried was dead
>>14485407That's Joko Widodo, he accused his opponent of homosexuality and then threw him in jail.
>>14485418Wait, a might be thinking of a different South Asian country...
It's getting tight in the highbay.
Realistic timeline for first Starship flight to Mars? Elon says 2026 but you know it'll slip. I'd say 2030.
>>14484457dont forget shuttle fagngd0j
>>14484805kill yourself, faggot
>>14485552For Mars landing they have to figure out: propellant transfer, zero boil-off system and heat&power management. By 2026, they should have the first two figured out. The difference with a third one is obviously time, since trip to Mars is six months long and a vehicle going there will require retractable solar panels.
>>144855522028 for unmanned 2034 for manned
JPL is killing Ingenuity.https://youtu.be/omu2PPdqPNU
>>14485619>on another planet>putting your RTC on a rechargeable battery>not a lithium coin battery that can power a clock chip for over a decadeWas it designed by Boeing Starliner engineers?
>>14485641So weird, I thought something like this would be all over the news and social media. Guess it's not as popular as the anti-musk op-eds.
>>14485648Only 80 million budget, please understand.
>>14485653I HATE JPL I HATE JPL I HATE JPL
>>14485653at least it hasn't been long enough to splatter the battery guts all over the circuit board
>>14484978Military reasons. China's economic lifeline goes through Indonesia, so having Starship e2e in the right spot would allow fast resupply of deployed forces in case the US decides to blockade the Straits of Malacca.It could also be about Starlink instead of Starship. Most of Indonesia by area is absolutely garbage territory for landline ISPs, and cell phones still need backhaul at some point. Starlink or another LEO constellation could digitize the whole country.
>>14485648>LCB>in Mars’ famously warm climateIt’d still require heating, for which Ingie doesn’t have the batteries
>>14485648what about a smartphone battery
>>14484978Astra is currently looking at Alcantara in Brazil for an equatorial launch site. Launching in Indonesia would have to be based on local customer demand rather than purely inclination.
>>14485696>AlcantaraAren't the hues still sore over what happened there?
>>14485714Maybe the locals are, but Bolsonaro's government signed an agreement opening it up to US launch providers in 2018.https://www.state.gov/brazil-19-1216.1
>>14485670Wrong. 1. Musk doesn't care about that 2. SpaceX spaceports on Indonesian clay aren't US military assets just like Apple's factories in China aren't 3. Island in question is 3000km from Strait of Malacca
>>14485757Indonesia is a military ally of the US.
shouldnt use the word colonize
>>14485764stop being so colon-crucified about it
>>14485760It's not. Indonesia might buy some equipment from US, doesn't make them allies.
>>14485767i hope humanity is better than that
>>144855522024starship is pretty much done
>>14485799hopefully neverlet /sfg/ die
Thread has staged.Ignition:>>14485820>>14485820>>14485820
>>14485266forever, it's illegal for him to leave and if he tries then he'll get killed