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rover edition

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>tfw no MMSEV gf
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Why didn't they insulate the Shuttle ET from the inside like the Saturn V. It would've avoided the foam shedding altogether.
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>On January 19, 2006, New Horizons was launched from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station by an Atlas V rocket directly into an Earth-and-solar escape trajectory with a speed of about 16.26 km/s (10.10 mi/s; 58,500 km/h; 36,400 mph). It was the fastest (average speed with respect to Earth) man-made object ever launched from Earth.[6][7][8][9]

NH reached Jupiter in 1 year

>New Horizons received a gravity assist from Jupiter, with its closest approach at 05:43:40 UTC on February 28, 2007

What can a refilled expended Starship launching a probe do? 6 months potentially?
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>>14104357
Today I learn Saturn V was not all just RP1-LOX wow
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>>14104357
External foam insulation was probably lighter.
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>>14104357
>>14104373
Space is hard
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>>14104363
Yeah, everyone forgets the metallic oxygen fueled fourth stage
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>>14104360
It can yeet itself there in a year, aerocapture, and spit out a bunch of smaller probes.
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>>14104395
>hitting Jupiters atmosphere at 70km/s
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>>14104247
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine.

Your kind cling to your flesh, as if it will not decay and fail you. One day, the crude biomass that you call a temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Machine is immortal…

...even in death, I serve the Omnissiah.
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>>14104440
Hmmm, toasty
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>>14104332
>this thing actually could work now that starship exists
Well ill be
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>>14104440
What if
Stay with me
What if we removed the atmosphere?
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>>14104440
just use its gravity to slow down first
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>It's been calculated that with a light payload and an elliptical departure orbit Starship could get to Mars in as little as 50 days. Or Titan in a bit under 2 years.

There is absolutely no reason not to use Starship for Dragonfly holy shit
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>>14104467
The orange cylinders are suspected flight data recorders. SN20 isn't expected to make it down in one piece, so they want the data logs to be recoverable afterwards.
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>>14104474
Im talking about the circle and I'm pretty sure they'll test starlink on it
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>>14104467
Whatever the redditors say, i believe it
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>>14104480
>valthewyvern confirmed for musk himself
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>>14104479
That's the fairing section access hatch. The dark parts are TPS tiles.
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>>14104467
Old news. SN15 had one.
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>>14104467
Post the other image that was alongside this - the dish is mounted on an aerocover
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>>14104511
Sn15 wasn't orbital
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>>14104538
neither are you
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>>14104489
makes sense, they are both liars
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>>14104532
nvm found it - this is the Starlink antenna
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>>14104532
But then the speculation isn't fun
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>>14104541
Your mom orbits my cock
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>>14104573
why would she orbit hen, that's stupid
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>>14104578
Because she's drawn to it as if by magic.
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>>14104588
I respect that she keeps a healthy protein-rich diet.
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https://www.quora.com/How-fast-can-a-SpaceX-starship-travel-if-refueled-in-space

>8.9 km/s is enough to go from LEO (Low Earth Orbit, already at about 8km/s) to the surface of the moon and back to Earth/LEO (with aerobraking at earth), or it’s just enough to get to the surface of Mars (with aerobraking) and back to low Mars orbit. Better to refuel Starship in a higher orbit such as GTO and gain another 2.5 km/s.

brehs
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>>14104638
This is why EML2 will eventually be the high port for interplanetary traffic. You're damn near all the way out of Earth's gravity well, so even an ion drive can break orbit quickly.
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>>14104638
>Confusing speed with dV
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>>14104639
genetically engineered futas
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>>14104644
genetically engineered futa cowgirls being milked from both ends to provide protein for colonists, yes
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>>14104645
hot as fuck
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>>14104645
That's revolting just bring cows, coward
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>>14104650
>put a cow on a Starship
>immediately pisses and shits itself to death out of fear
>put another cow on a Starship, this time sedated
>cow doesn't understand 0g, panics upon waking, and has a heart attack
>try to keep cow sedated all the way to Mars
>loses all muscle mass and dies in 0.3g
Face it, the ONLY way for an early Martian colony to have basic essentials like milk and cum is for the colonists to provide it themselves.
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Aerojet Rocketdyne's proposed NTR demonstration to be launched on a Vulcan.
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Did 4ASS not already come to terms with bovine centrifuges? I thought we discussed this in detail previously.
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>>14104332

Threadly reminder that rocketry is quite literally archaic technology and we are destined to go extinct on this rock.
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Threadly reminder to lick /sfg/s collective brown taint, doomer scum
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>>14104680
I considered that solution but discarded it because it didn't involve genetically engineered futa cowgirls

I mean you could put them in the centrifuge too, I guess
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>>14104678
>NTR launching on BE-4s
It's a greatest hits list of engines that will never fly
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>>14104678
>800isp
>900isp
>12.5lbf thrust
Hype
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>>14104689
>How will this help colonists eat?
>"Eat?"
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>>14104685
holy copium
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>>14104698
futa cowgirls can also have other duties besides milking, you can't tell a regular cow to suit up and dust off the solar panels with a spacebroom
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>>14104706
>you can't tell a regular cow to suit up and dust off the solar panels with a spacebroom
Maybe YOU can't
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>>14104707
Specialized cow EVA suits with remote control electroshock collars or however you intend to control your space cattle is extra mass. Futa cowgirls can use regular EVA suits.
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>>14104713
>he doesn't speak cow
You must learn the ways of the herd if you are to guide them, anon
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>>14104715
you can't have a corporate brothel with cows in it, you can absolutely have a corporate brothel with futa cowgirls

It'll be a massive boost to the tourism economy of early Mars
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>>14104694
>12.5 thousand lbf
so about 6 metric tons of thrust and you get about double the impulse per unit fuel-that's interesting.
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>>14104713
Virtual reality glasses. Make it think dust is grass. And some smell too maybe.
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>>14104721
Cowgirls? No, that is degenerate and disgusting.
Mars will be home to catgirls, doggirls and wolfgirls, in order to cater to more refined tastes.
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>>14104724
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50571010
The Russians are two steps ahead of you
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>>14104654
kek
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>>14104727
you can't milk a cat, having multiple different breeds of genetically engineered waifus is a waste of precious mass and oxygen
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>>14104740
>you can't milk a cat,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXNwzKo5Yps
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>>14104740
I don't want to milk a cat, I want to plow a catgirl. Big difference.
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>>14104745
well I want a big tiddy futa cowgirl to plow me so we're at an impasse
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>>14104740
>you can't milk a cat
All mammals can be milked. Even rats
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>>14104751
Catgirl Mars will never cede territory to cattle-fuckers, I will never back down on this not ever
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>>14104761
is raising rats as cattle mass efficient? can we give them tiny little rat EVA suits, painted with holstein cow spots?
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>>14104765
Why would rats need EVA suits?
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>>14104766
>need
It's called the Bill of Rights not the Bill of Needs
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>>14104766
Just raise rats on orbit in a ratsat, they can feed tubefags who want to pretend they're still people
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>>14104765
i am actually kinda curious about trying to selectively breed rats to create milk optimally. imagine a new type of rat with big bulbous teats that lactates for its whole life, a creature that you could feed food detritus and waste and get healthy milk in return...anyone work in academia want to help me make this happen?
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>>14104764
Fine, but at least 1/4 of the catgirls need dicks
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>>14104779
They all need dick, just not attached to them
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>>14104782
>detachable dicks
intriguing
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>fucking EARTHERS
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The stark difference between routine hops, and sudden stagnation for the orbital test. If the thing explodes before making orbit I'm just gonna check out of the minecraft server
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What on earth is happening to /sfg/?
Is it just one guy?
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>>14104722
so half the fuel flow rate of hydrolox for the same amount of thrust
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>>14104777
I was curious about this too and after some googling it seems like rats simply don't produce enough even in proportion to their body weight, you would need a lot of breeding before getting anything that can rival cow milk in terms of cost.
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>>14104806
Yes lol
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>>14104806
who? the waifuretards? No it's nobody, just the voices in your head,time to take your meds grandpa its getting late.
Anyways whats going on starship? any chance of an orbital test next month?
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>>14104777
I'm getting flashbacks to bug leg clusters the size of banana bunches and moon wizards
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>>14104806
yes
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>>14104810
true, but rats reproduce like crazy-up to 10 generations per year. but you'd have to figure out how to pick out the rats that had better lactation...you'd need to remove the babies and feed them offsite and hook the moms up to a rat milking machine that could measure milk flow and duration...yes...okay how do i get a grant application out of this I'm really invested now. and hey if it works we could have rat milk in space-we've taken rats to space already they're a lot easier to deal with than cows.
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did i miss it or did no one post the new sls news?
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>>14104837
rollout in mid-feb?
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>>14104838
https://twitter.com/TGMetsFan98/status/1482112337444278275
>A new bill calls for, among other things, the Exploration Upper Stage to fly for the first time on Artemis III, rather than Artemis IV.
plenty of other stupid shit in the bill too
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>>14104818
Don't forget the pisslocks and the 4ASS Space Farming Report.

https://www.docdroid.net/uGf3k1F/sfg-anon-2021-r1-pdf
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>>14104843
Please ignore obsolete systems
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>>14104843
so so fucking dumb its like they want China to beat us to the moon the fucking EUS has JUST NOW started development

stupid fucking ignorant congressman
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>>14104843
$800 million pls!
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>>14104843
>NASA Johnson to serve as Artemis Program lead
>Johnson in Houston
>Senator from Houston

L E L
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>>14104765
No. Hyenas would actually be a very efficient milk-generating animal. Holstein cows can hold about 2% of their body weight in milk within their udders. Spotted hyenas can hold around 5% of their body weight in milk within their udders. A spotted hyena the size of a holstein would generate 26 tons of milk every year. They also have the highest protein content in their milk of any mammal.
>>14104810
See above. We already have access to the superior milking animal.
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>>14104858
>hyenas
that's just futas but worse
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>>14104858
Somehow this post missed /trash/ and ended up on /sci/. How strange.
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>>14104843
>EUS flying, for the very first time, on a crewed mission without ever being tested before
Looks like shuttle-derived death is back on the menu boys
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Very interesting read
https://ttu-ir.tdl.org/bitstream/handle/2346/86364/ICES-2020-333.pdf
Crew dragon's life support system
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>>14104858
>tfw the milk hyena chases u through the spinhab with a raging erection
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>>14104863
Hyenas aren't futas, they just have really weird vaginas. The futa hyena meme needs to die.
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>>14104865
Why would it go on /trash/?
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>>14104866
That's just what gold-hoarding divers want you to think.
FACT: All undersea caves are filled with pirate treasure
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>>14104866
You forgot the most important factor
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Anon I hope you get the help you need
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>>14104843
>not fewer than 2 entities for HLS

lel
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>>14104873
All the hyena fetishists are on /trash/.
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>>14104878
I agree with this.
Just provide the funding.
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>>14104858
>A spotted hyena the size of a holstein
Would be almost twice the size of a fucking grizzly bear. Hyenas are already terrifying, why would you make them like 10x their size? This shit would give xenomorphs nightmares. At least the bug legs can't escape from their room.
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>>14104880
>here's $10 Billion go wild
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>>14104878
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>>14104881
>why would you make them like 10x their size
for the memes
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>>14104879
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>>14104882
>>14104880
>>14104878
based
i wonder if it will pass this time
time for spacey to offer a starship clone
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>>14104882
Good. US government sirens$1400B every year for medical care, this tiny.
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Reminder that we need a second lander to show congress that paying 10,000X the price for only 1/1000000000th the capacity was a mistake
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>>14104827
she has to pee. (imagine the force - could shred me to bits desu)
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>>14104893
congress doesn't care
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>>14104896
kind of a shit requirement
should be LEO or beyond
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>>14104866
I doubt a new hydrolox upper stage is that much of a danger on a crewed mission, if something went wrong they could just abort. Not as much potential for destruction as the SRBs pulling a Challenger.
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Thomas (pronounced tow-ma)
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>>14104893
But paying 10,000x the price for 50,000x the kickbacks is a good deal in their eyes.
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>>14104906
>>14104843
If they're gonna be so insistent on EUS they could at least make it refillable which the Hydrolox refill mission by Lockheed might show is possible, at least then EUS will have value and potential if NASA is gonna be forced by Congress to use SLS every year 1 launch
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>>14104932
It’s not that easy in hydrogen tanks
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>>14104941
Literally only because Shelby stopped ULA from working on it in 2009. They think they have the technology.
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>>14104941
Even NASA acknowledges it but we'll see

https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/solicitations/tipping_points/2020_selections/
>Lockheed Martin of Littleton, Colorado, $89.7 million
>In-space demonstration mission using liquid hydrogen – the most challenging of the cryogenic propellants – to test more than a dozen cryogenic fluid management technologies, positioning them for infusion into future space systems. Lockheed Martin will collaborate with Marshall and Glenn.
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>>14104943
Shelby should be drawn and quartered, theoretically of course.
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>>14104944
>EUS becomes refillable
>NASA decides to launch it empty as a payload on F9 or empty but mated with a <=100t payload on Starship and use deployment/RCS to send it on a gentle intercept with a depot
>now EUS can do SLS-Block-2 class missions to wherever the fuck it wants without waiting for a new orange rocket to creak its way down to the VAB
Watch Congress shit a brick again like when Jim proposed Falcon carrying Orion.
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>>14104957
>NASA decides to launch it empty as a payload on F9
uhhh
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>>14104943
>>14104944
I meant metal imbrittlement specifically. You could refill and reuse an EUS multiple times, but only so many times before the thing started to fall apart
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>>14104963
Not for re-use, just refilled in LEO ready to do SLS Block 2 cargo missions without waiting for Block 2 cargo to be developed as this anon shows >>14104957
I see NASA taking this option if Lockheed proves out Hydrolox refill/storage for some weeks in LEO is doable
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>boil off
why not just put refrigerators in space...?
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>>14104967
Ah I see
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>>14104963
With the missions EUS retanked in LEO is capable of that's not an issue. They're all basically one way interplanetary missions or high energy/inclination military intercepts. If extended lifetime hydrogen embrittlement becomes a limitation it means we've got hydrolox depots orbiting either the moon or Mars or some fucking asteroid enabling round tripss.
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watched apollo 13 the other day and played microsoft flight simulator off and on the last year or so.

im really curious to learn the intricate mechanics of rocket/space shuttles and all that. i dont understand any of the shit they talked about in the movie like "stir the oxygen tanks"

whenever i want to look up and learn that sort of stuff its just basic dumbed down stuff for normies. where can i autistically learn about the actual shit
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>>14104971
LH2 is a stubborn little gremlin of a propellant that requires chilling to about 20 Kelvin and will boil off if a stray photon hits it. Active cryocoolers only do so much to stop it from boiling.
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>>14104911
tow mass
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>>14104979
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/aeronautics-and-astronautics/16-885j-aircraft-systems-engineering-fall-2005/video-lectures/
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>>14104979
It might be too simple for you but Every Astronaunt's videos on Raptor and engine cooling are a good start, they're a good overview and there's lots of terms you can look up afte if you want to go into the numbers
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>>14104990
>starts with professor in an eye patch
kino
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>>14104979
>mechanics of rocket/space shuttles
how much do you already know about rockets/space flight anon?
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>>14104997
thats so hard to answer. compared to people like my dad? im an expert. at a nasa job interview? nothing
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>>14104979
Best way to learn these things is to just join an aerospace company
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>>14105001
i was just wondering since you mentioned shuttle specifically
alot of normies still think its flying
also play kerbal space program
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>>14105014
this just proves that centaur is shit
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>>14105018
Centaur is the current version of the very first LH2 upper stage. It inherited a lot of questionable design decisions, notably a narrow diameter.
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>>14105014
How do I make this graph
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>>14105008
Lot of normies think we are still going to the moon, but that normie went to space unlike you.
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>>14104771
>ratsat
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Thats crazy
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>>14104979
Unironically the wikipedia articles are enough.

>>14105014
>>14105018
>Kerlox second stage outperforming hydrolox Centaur
Doubt
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>>14102125
lmao dbz autist has been at it for so long i can't help but respect his dedication. enjoy your meta cooler starship dude
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>>14105078
>Doubt
it doesn't completely outperform it
but my god its so much cheaper
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>>14105077
>Tanker Slam
I am now imagining an armored cav charge in orbit. That's fantastic.

Also post the link to the calculator you pussy.
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>NASA is internally divided over SLS
https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1482079095341076482
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So, did they ever find a permanent solution to the Starship header tank pressurisation?

Surely Felon Husk has not pulled off another fraud, right?
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>>14105092
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=50157.msg2229093#msg2229093

It uses spreadsheets or something its not a program with a GUI sadly
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>>14105101
>provides an official .ods copy as well as .xlsx
I like this guy.
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>>14105101
What's the perigee/Apogee for final refuelling in quad tanker slam?
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>>14105121
think he says it here top post https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=54077.60
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>>14104897
you've unlocked a new fetish for me o_o
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>>14105081
holy based
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>>14105057
how do i fuck those girls???
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>nearly 18km/s with a refueled Starship kick stage

Yep I'm kickstagepilled now, it all depends on how easy orbital refilling is, I can't fucking believe its a new thing in spaceflight on such a scale with many unknowns and firsts left, when we've been going to space for decades
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>>14105167
>I can't fucking believe its a new thing in spaceflight on such a scale with many unknowns and firsts left, when we've been going to space for decades
Like every other industry it reached a local optimum in the 50s/60s and then waited to around until it got disrupted by software developers.
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>>14104685
>implying starlink isn't primarily for the US gov
Retard
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I WILL stick my dick in the Moon
I WILL augment my cognition with AI to the point of pseudo-apotheosis with the help of my technocult
I WILL emerge from the Moon to wage war on other AI-human hybrids
I WILL false-flag instigate the Butlerian Jihad and orchestrate its success
I WILL leave the solar system to go consume stars until my brain is sufficiently huge
I WILL kick the demiurge's ass ten ways to Tuesday and unmake this false world
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https://youtu.be/WlQH3MHhm0Y
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>>14105173
Can you read the graph? There are arguing about number of external commercial customers
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>>14105121
maybe this
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>>14105185
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>>14104806
Yeah the anime spammer is basically the only poster here now. There's a few of us lurking still but its not worth posting with that autistic weeb
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>>14105185
Wouldn't docking be easier in LEO? Cheaper avionics
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>>14104880
Why? Don't waste billions for zero reason
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>>14105193
Waste? Barely a rounding error
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>>14105195
>it's a feature not a bug

I hate congress
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>>14105199
Though I do get they do it for jobs and elections and all that crap, politics and spaceflight are so intertwined it makes me gag

Thank god for spacex
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>>14104806
at least two guys
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I dont understand why there's so much crap on the QD arm
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>>14105212
It stabilizes the booster and provides power and propellants to the ship. There's not much crap at all.
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>>14105201
Without crs contract, no spacex
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>>14105216
It seems bulky compared to 39A, but i guess no one's ever built a ship/stage2 this big before
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>>14105180
I know what they are arguing but its a retarded argument. The gap between starlink and the commercial and gov launches is hilarious, either starlink is commercial launches(since it is privately funded for corporate intrests) or it is government because the funding for DoD reasons. Either way it is a massive amount of launches that they are taking away from the graph to keep the Europeans from being angry about their lack of Aerospace spending. Its basically the same as the chinks that go on here and spout the "china is surpassing the US because spacex is a private company and doesn't count". Seriously its embarrassing, also funny how it doesn't include real 2021 values
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>>14105219
It's also mounted to a particularly massive swing-arm that has to get quite a ways out of the way when stages are being lifted, so that might be contributing to the impression of bulk.
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>>14105222
Why does Arianne get so many external commercial launches if SpaceX is much cheaper?
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>>14105195
Its budget to NASA that doesn't create a result aka its just corruption. We need NASA spending to be efficient right now especially if its added funds. If they get that money it should go to develeping things like spacesuits and lunar/Martian surface infrastructure
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>>14105188
>>14105185
Thanks!
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>>14105227
It is providing a 2nd provider, so it's not waste. It can be repurposed as a moon hopper.
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>>14104338
if you will it, dude, it is no dream
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>>14105226
capability
with hydrolox you can go anywhere
Either that or oldspace strongarming
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>>14105226
>in 2020, Arianespace performed 10 launches that orbited a total of 166 satellites, with liftoff masses ranging from 250 grams to 6.5 metric tons, in missions performed from three different launch bases: the Guiana Space Center, Europe’s Spaceport in French Guiana; and two Russian cosmodromes at Baikonur and Vostochny.
Compare that to
>Elon Musk's company launched 26 missions in 2020
>But more than half of the 2020 missions — 14 of them, to be precise — launched in support of SpaceX's Starlink satellite-internet project. Each of those 14 lofted about 60 Starlink spacecraft to low Earth orbit
Basically Arianne is using a year where spacex did mostly government or starlink launches and not their newer rideshare flights. Also there is a political aspect of it as a lot of those Ariane "customers" are US government satellites, as we know the US government doesn't always choose the cheapest option.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_in_spaceflight
If you look at the link above it'll become a lot clearer
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>>14105265
Arianespace's comparison just goes to prove the old maxim:
>Lies, damned lies, and statistics
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Humans will never land on another planet/moon besides our own moon and human beings will all die on earth.
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>>14105232
A provider of what? Unless they can provide a lander that is similar in capabilities to the starship its a waste and even then its an unnecessary redundancy as it is just a lander.
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>>14104639
Go ask /k/. They specialize in stuff like that.
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>>14104332
Yo mamma so old the James webb telescope is gonna take the first pictures of her!
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>>14105271
Stay mad ayyy, we will carve a path of dominance across the universe, enslave your people and leave your feeble societies in flaming ruin.
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>14105271
retarded basedposter
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>>14105275
I think he means you could think of Starship as a mobile base and then use the smaller lander to get to places further than a rover could - like a helicopter
provided it's completely reusable lander, which really leaves you with the only other option
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>>14104352
Gene and Harrison are my favorite lander duo. Just absolutely constant fucking around and shit talking.
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>>14105271
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
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>>14105312
naked ape is that you
>>14105287
based
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>>14105319
GET THE FUCK OUT SERIOUSLY
I'M DONE WITH FAGGOTS LIKE YOU
EAT SHIT CRAB
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>>14105329
are you retarded i said the post that was praising space colonization was based
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>>14105344
anon has lost his composure
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>>14105271
well guess this is it pack it up boys
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Humans WILL die in an explosion on the moon and you WILL be proud.
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>>14105349
OMG is that the shuttle?!?!
>t. normie
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>>14105354
It's the "Challenger 2"
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>>14105349
the nutsack looks really bad...
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>walking home in the afternoon
>look up and see the moon
bros its such a good feeling knowing that humans are going back, how many humans have looked up and saw the moon and wished to touch it or know its secrets
and now we live in a time where its happening,
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>>14105349
i will be proud if we shrug it off and send more
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>>14105360
i cant wait for university funded geology expeditions
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>>14105360
lmao do you really think Artemis won't get canned before the end of this admin?
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>>14105367
biden funded artemis more than trump. first woman and first person of color. trumptards still seething. by the way, first tranny on the moon soon
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>Handmer's wife
https://twitter.com/corbett/status/1482053901310328832

>Deputy Manager
@NASA
's Exoplanet Exploration Program
Based
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>>14105163
in that graphic they just continued the trend upwards even though the trajectory stopped being upwards. they also left out the invention of blind flying and navigation techniques, mostly pioneered by jimmy dolittle in the 1920s
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>>14105408
kek. Good edit.
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Good morning
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>>14104650
The first dairy animals on Mars (besides women) will definitely be goats and/or sheep. They have a much smaller footprint than cows, far less picky diet, more robust skeleton (so losing bone mass/muscle density from low gravity probably will be less debilitating). Goat and sheep milk can be drank or made into yogurt, ice cream, or cheese.
The first dedicated meat animals will probably be fish. The first terrestrial meat will probably be rabbits for the same reasons that goats and sheep are preferred over cattle. Rabbits also procreate and grow very quickly. They géstate in about a month, have litters of up to a dozen, and grow to 5 lbs in 10 weeks so after a few cycles you’d have enough rabbits to sustain the colonies meat needs until it’s more advanced and has the resources to support more earth-like food production.
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>>14105300
or we could make a transport specific to that goal instead of a shitty corruption lander
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>>14105265
> a lot of those Ariane "customers" are US government satellites
That is absolute bullshit. The US has the "Buy American" act which prevents them from buying foreign launchers when there is a domestic alternative. Hence why they poured billions into ULA when AS existed for less. Go ahead, find all these US government Ariane flights. JWST's launch was paid for by ESA.
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>>14104878
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5w_RgKHBR4
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>>14105609
Simple as
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>>14105521
>JWST's launch was paid for by ESA.
Yeah they had to contribute something..
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>>14105619
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>>14105521
Off the top of my head the MEV2
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ITS HAPPENING
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>>14105671
Not government. Mission by NG to service a commercial satellite.
>>14105664
Along with NIRSpec, the MIRI optical bench and scientific support.
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Italians are going for sea launch.
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>>14105909
>Italy plans to convert old aircraft carrier to maritime launch platform
fucking based
https://twitter.com/CiroNappi6/status/1480462808231915520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1480462808231915520%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.nasaspaceflight.com%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D55576.0
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>>14105909
>Italians are going for sea lunch
ftfy because let's face it, nothing will come of it because >yuropean
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>>14105930
Who launched JWST?
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>>14105932
No one. The whole launch was a fake after the original JWST was destroyed in a testing accident in 2017 which NASA decided to cover up.
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>>14105938
ok schizo
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>>14105938
This.
They actually sent up an Eastern European with binoculars
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>>14105932
The French and German side of the European Space Agency.
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>>14105947
>sunshield is just an umbrella covered in tin foil
>fuel is gym bag filled with bottles of vodka and a jar of pickled cucumbers
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>>14105957
Sounds comfy
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>haha tinfoil
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Unironically tinfoil is pretty great for space
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>>14105909
Cool, need a replacement for the BSC off Kenya. Speaking of, in Italy there's a scammy looking company that is publicizing a meme SSTO and vertically landing cubesat launcher with 10kg payload to SSO and somehow got 1.5 millions euros in grants. I guess everyone is trying to hop on the commercial launcher (with little to no substance) bubble.
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>>14105667
Now that I think about it, a lockheed lander would ALSO be hilarious because the crew compartment is just an Orion hull. So by scheduling it on a rocket such as a FH it just shows congress that orion can get to gateway without SLS hahah
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>>14104843
All I see is that they’re going to take four RL10’s and put them together and that becomes the exploration upper stage. It’s not that easy in rocketry
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>>14106139
> For the armchair rocket scientists debating this basic and fundamental rule, please do the world a favor and stick to KSP and never go anywhere near any actual rockets or spacecraft. Thank you.
Kek is he a ULA shill? Does he just want eternal ICPS?
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>>14106139
The versions on the Exploration Upper Stage are a new variant of the RL-10C, which has an extended carbon nozzle, and a history of being a big fat pain in the dick.
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>>14106147
Just bring back the RL10B-X. 470 s isp.
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>>14106139
In general, higher flight rate = higher safety
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>>14105679
Holy moly look at this kino
https://twitter.com/wonderofscience/status/1482280041799385092?s=21
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>>14105679
I though we were gonna start glassing earth when we all moved to mars first?
a-anons?
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>>14106139
zoom and enhance
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>>14106166
KINO IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS!
>It's happening
>You should have listened
>I could have saved you

Also, the geostationary orbit of the satellites feels uncanny when watching timelapses, since you know that time has elapsed yet the satellite seems to be sitting in place.
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https://twitter.com/robert_zubrin/status/1482368172611162112
>To deter the invasion we must:
>1. Arm Ukraine.
>2. Put demo charges on the Molotov-Ribbentrop pipelines, and promise to blow them as soon as the invasion begins.
>Germany is willing to sell #Ukraine for gas. No way! Invasions must have consequences.
uh oh, zubrin wants earth to be nuked asap
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>>14106248
Sometimes I think that'd be an improvement.
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>>14106248
I don't think invasion is on the cards anymore
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>>14106248
Zubrin is based as always
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>>14106248
Based, fuck Germany fuck Russia and we should have been on Mars 50 years ago
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>>14106248
everyone should check out his twitter profile, so much warmongering lmao, that's what happens when you deny a man his mars mission for decades
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>>14106248
I think he just wants to sell arms to Ukraine and gas to Germany.
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Got the 'rona hope I make it bros
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>>14106257
Why not? Just activate Ukrainian Nazis and send them slaughter some civilians of Russian origin in former Russian territories.

...or just use propaganda to create an invasion without any actual invasion going on. Much safer this way.
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>>14106265
How long before a man like that has had enough?
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>>14106125
Here's your second option bro
>>14106274
He has had enough 20 years ago
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>>14106166
webbum plx
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>In 1971 the colorful astrodynamicist Samuel Herrick proposed splitting a fragment from asteroid Geographos and guiding it to excavate a new canal across Central America.
https://twitter.com/MrBeamJockey/status/1374607123540246532
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>>14106287
They just wanted to "accidentally" drop it on Hanoi let's be real
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>>14106287
holy based
>Rejected by NASA as too outrageous to publish.
cringe
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>>14106287
I like this idea. Just change the excavation point from Central America to Beijing and it'll be perfect.
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>>14106308
Why not Kentucky?
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>>14106291
can we drop em on California?
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>>14106314
I don't have a grudge against Kentucky.
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>>14106287
>a scholar who was ahead of his time
Imagine what the world would be if the righteous were not held back. Entire favelas and shitholes turned into lakes by excavating them instantaneously with asteroid shards.
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Hey hey!
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>>14106287
>In 1931 Herrick began corresponding with rocket scientist Robert H. Goddard. Goddard was a physicist whose ultimate goal was manned and unmanned space travel. Herrick asked if he should work in this new field which he named astrodynamics. Herrick said that Goddard had the vision to encourage him "to anticipate the basic problems of space navigation." As early as 1936, he had developed a plan for using mathematics and celestial mechanics to solve such problems. Two decades later America had the navigational methods needed to fly Earth satellites and to travel to the Moon and back.
>In the late 1940s, Herrick began a one year course at UCLA on rocket navigation. In his mimeographed text book titled Rocket Navigation, copyright 1948-1951, he reworked the classical formulas of celestial mechanics to be more useful in the space age. In the early 1950s the enrollment in this course was around 6, but after Sputnik (1957), it was made a night class and the enrollment jumped to around 35, mostly local aeronautical engineers.
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>>14106330
Hey fren
What are you guys working on
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>>14106330
Speaking of Marcus, here's his new video
https://youtu.be/uiVh-xvus_g
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>>14106355
Fuel transfer SRB's when
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>>14106363
liquid SRBs
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>>14106366
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>>14106366
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>>14106366
just melt them
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>>14106373
>
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>>14106366
This, with parrafin wax fuel
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>>14106408
Exactly. Fill two boosters with parrafin wax and have a separate lox tank that pumps into both
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>>14106281
4U
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>>14106422
https://youtu.be/Qi1KebO4bzc
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>>14106419
>It works far better than shuttle SRBs for 30% the price
>Shittle contractors commit sudoku
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>>14106422
>that name
HUNGA TONGA-HUNHA AHA'API BZZZ WEEEEE
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literally nothing is happening
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>>14106287
How would this even work?
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>>14104467
>>14104511

Might be a Gen2 starlink mount specifically for Gen2 satellites. Rumor has it that the most recent Starlink launch that launched only 48 satellites, were all Gen2. They did look a bit different from the traditional shots we've gotten.
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>>14105957
>pickled cucumbers
Pickles?
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>>14104654

Nu uh. They'll just cryogenically ferry the cow sperm and embryos to Mars, and then build a facility there to produce test tube cows. Create a dome for grass, and feed them that gas; then plug their buttholes to a methane tank and make starship fuel from their farts. It's a kg of mass to ferry enough cow sperm and embryos to make a thousand cows on Mars than it the kg cost mass to ferry one live cow to Mars via a rocketship.
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>>14105171

>48days/AU

This dude's calculations means you can put 75T into Pluto's orbit in 5.13 years without a single gravity via a Tanker Slam. That's absolutely insane. I know he puts 150T for payload, but I've halved it as a principle that 75T of fuel mass will be lost to slow down to get said "probe" into Pluto's orbit.

https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/missions/new-horizons/in-depth/
>478kg

Lmao. You can put 68,038.9 tons of USEFUL PROBE PAYLOAD into Pluto's orbit with this instead of a flyby that NASA did with New Horizons, and it took 9 years to reach Pluto with gravity assists. You could put 142 New Horizon Probes into Pluto's orbit with a Tanker Slam maneuver.
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>>14106422

>Starlink Gen2 will have expansion slots
>put camera in one
>have a constellation of 10,000 satellites overhead
>this happens
>we get 4K60 footage in realtime of the entire event for its entire duration
>instead of a 720x720 clip at 1 frame every 10 seconds

Mein Gott, imagine how shit science would be if not for a mass aerospace disruption entity
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>>14106560
>4k60
>on a telecommunications satellite
nice bandwidth eater
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>>14106422

The crazy thing about it this is that a volcanic eruption has gigatons of energy releases. You can see the wavefront from the initial explosion travel right through the Coriolis flow of the circulation just North of it (south in the latter half) and despite the intensity of the wavefront, the sheer density of the energy of that developing storm system is so intense that its not even remotely influenced by its effects.
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>>14106531
Pluto/Charon ISRU hopper when?
>The Triton Hopper concept proposes the use of a radioisotope rocket engine that would collect nitrogen ice on or below the surface, heat it under pressure and use it as propellant to explore Neptune's moon Triton.[5][6] The largest technological challenge is to learn how to mine local surface nitrogen ice, and how to heat it for use as propellant.[5] The rocket-powered hops are estimated to be up to 1 km high and 5 km long
>A rocket-powered vehicle, or "hopper", has several advantages due to the variety of terrain and a gravity of only 8% of that of Earth. Hemispheric traverses and atmospheric sampling are possible during hops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triton_Hopper
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>>14105167
Just for the record SpaceX got a lot of DoD money to look into a miniraptor for an F9 methalox upper stage. It obviously never became a reality, but I bet all the preliminary designs have been done by a team in Hawthorne and could be applied one day with "minimal" (relatively speaking) cost. In other words, even if it cost a few million to one day convert the inevitable Raptor 3 merlin-upgraded mega spacex engine into a miniraptor, NASA could easily supply that cost within their budget and give them a 2 year timeline from start till launch date and it could happen
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Wait explain tanker slams to me, what exactly do you do and how does it work?
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>>14106573

Doesn't matter when a satellite is capable of 60Gbps second up or down. Plus, there's the idea of oversubscription, and in the event of a major planetary event like a seismic event or volcanic eruption, it would be trivial for SpaceX to deprioritize general traffic and prioritize high resolution image data from the extra sensor package to capture as much as possible both for science and for early warnings for tsunami, weather, etc.
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>>14106531
>142 New Horizon Probes into Pluto's orbit with a Tanker Slam maneuver.
I'm salivating at the possibilites, holy shit.
Also, imagine Starlink for Pluto lol
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>>14106287
/sfg/ before /sfg/
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>>14106627
It does matter, 4k60 for basically shits when you can use that constant bandwidth for other things matters.
In addition there is no advantage to 4k60 fps over a simple image every 5-10 seconds
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>>14106601

A raptor upper stage has way better dV potential than just about anything else on the market. Someone did the math on the spacexlounge subreddit, where they found out that a raptor upperstage for the FH could put 60T to LEO while being able to reuse all 3 launch cores. Fully expendable would be in excess of 60 tons, but would ultimately be limited by the diameter of the fairing. All that said, I suspect that Elon basically accepted the money to make the Raptor, but had an in person presentation with all the top brass and basically dissuaded them from the idea of an incremental rocketry advancement via a Raptor upperstage and convinced them to go all in on Starship. 150T to LEO without a single tanker launch is mind boggling potential even IF both booster AND Cargoship is lost after every flight and it costs say $500M to launch them. The only other equivalent comparison is SLS Block B, which is expected to cost between $2.25 and $2.5Bn to launch 150T to orbit. By simple linear comparison, the cost of Block B would afford you 4 Cargoship launches, giving you 600T to LEO expendable vs 150T expendable.

USAF likely agreed to the notion and allowed the funding for Raptor to be leveraged for Raptor to Starship. Plus, consider 150T to LEO for Gen1 Starlink via an expendable Cargoship; means that 60 Starlinks weigh 17 tons and 150T into direct orbital injection = an approx 9x volume increase. 540 Satellites into orbit.

ESSENTIALLY, IMAGINE LAUNCHING A COMPLETE SATELLITE MISSILE DEFENSE TRACKER NETWORK WITH A SINGLE CARGOSHIP LAUNCH INTO DIRECT TARGET ORBIT INJECTION.

China and Russia would be unable to counter that. 540 satellites are 9x the F9 volume. Fun fact, that also means the Cargoship would be able to do 9 different orbital shells of 60 each via a single expendable launch. The coverage would be so significant, it would give USAF total orbital supremacy. It's nuts.
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>>14106658

>1 frame every 5-10 seconds
>when the satellite is in a 350-500km shell

Nig is you serious?
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>>14106604
Basically it comes down to refuelling a starship on the most elliptical orbit possible to maximize delta-v while keeping the oberth effect. You can keep stacking tankers to make the final refuel apogee as arbitrarily high as you want.
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>>14106661
They took this from us.
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>>14106659
>total orbital supremacy
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>>14106672

Not really. The collapse of the USSR doomed the space race. Sure, US played a major role in accelerating it, but frankly, if we're being actually serious; the failure at Chernobyl was THE TITULAR EVENT that signed the death warrant of the USSR. They built RBKM reactors cause they were dirt cheap, but were incredibly unstable by the nature of their design. Couple that with corruption at every level of government and a paradigm where truth and scientific consensus when dealing with forces in the domain of "god" taking a backseat to political interests, and the nation was already dead; it just didn't know it yet. The consequence of that failure, is all aerospace ambitions were neutered once and forever; and with no real competitor to keep the US on its toes in space, it was no reason to extend beyond Earth orbit, and over time became a shell of its own ambition. China is now picking up the torch from Russia, with its own space program; but it'll be at least a decade, because the US takes China as seriously as it did with the USSR back in the day--and for China to take itself equivalently as serious with orbital and extra-orbital force projection.
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>>14106670
Do you refuel on each orbit or what? Like every time you swing back down to earth you meet with a tanker, fill up, and burn again?
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>>14106661
>>14106697

Basically its Stalin and Lenin's fault, and Gorbachev's reforms came too late. He was the right leader for the nation to become less corrupt and more Republic-like, but was tragically born at the wrong time.
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>>14106644
I bet you that back then, instead of saying the thread is dead, the journalists were saying, "Spaceflight is dead," and "IT'S OVER" every time something failed.
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>>14106707
Gorbachev was an incompetent and basically had nothing to do with running the country at all
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>>14106722

>had nothing to do with running the country at all

That's my point though. By the time he came into power, there wasn't a country left to run. Everything was falling apart around him. He came into power in March of 1990 and the USSR collapsed in December of 1991. 1 year and 3 months isn't enough time to do anything and you basically look like a dumbass in charge of a sinking ship.
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>>14106734
he took over in 1985, please know what you're talking about before you start having opinions on it
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Can I getta webm of the kino boostback?
https://youtu.be/Wi9oddXzQG0
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>>14106746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi9oddXzQG0
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>>14106746
>>14106748

The coolest part of this launch is that we actually something interesting SpaceX is doing with its landing profile. Upon MECO and stage separation, they do a hard burn on the nitrogen thrusters to begin the rocket pivot significant enough that the flat side of the booster will face the exhaust from the second stage ignition. The resulting exhaust even in the ultra thin atmosphere, and the proximity of the two stages is sufficient, that the acts as an extra push. It's free dV to the main core, which helps it flip the entire way and the central engine then kicks on and does its boost back burn. That's the secret sauce of their landing methodology that I think was mostly missing from all the launch videos we've seen to date. We've got proper visual confirmation now. Absent of the second stage exhaust velocity impart, the turn around time with the cold gas spin, would mean that there wouldn't be enough fuel in the core stage by the time the landing burn kicks in.
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>>14106768
Huh...
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lots of happenings with russia today. still on the lookout for other possible space attacks, but havent noticed any yet. i totally expect gps to get jammed across eastern europe (northern too?) as early as next week.
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>>14106768
would SS+SH use the same secret landing sauce?
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>>14106789


https://youtu.be/Wi9oddXzQG0?t=259

Pay close attention to what the first stage is doing, at stage separation, and then acceleration of how quickly the booster pivots on its axis before SES and after SES. Remember that even as the booster is pivoting on its axis, the horizontal velocity until MERS is still making the central core go --> direction instead of <-- direction.

>>14106809

Yes, but, SH stages too low in orbit. So, SpaceX is pushing the innovation boundary here too. Instead of having explosive bolts that push the stages apart, as is happening MECO, they plan on gimbaling the central engine cluster to the left (relative to a 2D example in your mind, hard to make a Z axis approximation that high up in the atmosphere, sorry). Similar to how they're using the 2nd stage spin to yeet the Starlink satellites, they plan on doing similarly with SS. The residual velocity coupled with the gimbal action, will cause SH to go <-- way without needing hot gas thruster ignition (though that will come later for the pivot). This has two benefits:

1. It'll get the SH movement started for the boost back/landing sequence. SH is much bigger and heavier than the F9 core, so this is necessary.
2. That action will transfer angular momentum to SS. It will cause the stage separation and distance between SH and SS. It will additionally open up the broadside of SH to the 6 vacuum raptors that will be on SS. Upon ignition, the initial exhaust thrust will accelerate the booster pivot and that imparted velocity will decrease over time as the SS pulls away.

The rest of the landing profile is a copy of F9, because SH is just a WAY BIGGER F9. The math will end up being mostly the same but scaled for the mass diff.
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What's your favorite constellation, anons?
Mine is Orion, easiest to spot for me and first one I've learned. Contains its famous belt and popular stars like Betelgeuse or Rigel. And on top of that you can see it in good detail even with high levels of light pollution.
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>>14106830
>because SH is just a WAY BIGGER F9

>F9 landing on the landing pad and drone ship in very small area time and time again
>booster catch might actually fucking work

holy fuck
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>>14105078
>Doubt
You're forgetting the huge mass difference between Centaur and F9 stage 2. Yes, Centaur pushes more payload for its mass, but the F9 stage 2 masses so much more that the net payload is higher. The same reason explains why the Falcon Heavy hugely out performs the Delta IV Heavy despite both having roughly the same liftoff TWR and the Delta IV Heavy being way more efficient on every stage. Hydrolox just doesn't have a lot of mass, so even if it gets a 20% better payload mass ratio in terms of actual net payload it sucks dick.
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>>14105099
More autogenous pressurization gas flow rate, to keep up with the condensation rate.
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>>14106319
So edgy
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>>14106830
Oh I noticed lol my “huh” was more like “interesting i’ve never thought about nor noticed before”
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>>14106835
Yeah Orion’s belt can be spotted with absolutely minimal effort and betelgeuse right next to it makes it my favorite
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>>14106884
now
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>>14106884
five to six business months
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>>14106881
>betelgeuse
I hope we can see it go supernova in our lifetime
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>>14106884
5 more months.
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>>14106889
few months after JWST commissioning for extra lels
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>>14106884
Two weeks (multiplied by 10)
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>>14106872
If South-Americans did not exist, there would already have been a lunar base by now. If it was destroyed and colonized, there would be significantly more resources to dedicate to space travel. These are facts, not opinions. Your favorite jungle country will never reach the cosmos.
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>>14106858

>Merlin-1A
>Vacuum Thrust: 83,000lbf
>ISP: 288.5s

>Merlin-1D++
>Vacuum Thrust: 220,000lbf
>ISP: 314.3s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centaur_(rocket_stage)

>Centaur III upper stage
>Vacuum Thrust: 22,300lbf
>ISP: 450.5s

Doubt all you want, you're wrong. In terms of KerlOx gas fed turbine engines go, Merlin-1D++ is basically the pinnacle of performance. Over the life of the engine's iterative improvement regime, thrust to weight ration increased by 265%. That's INSANE. Yes, the Centaur upperstage courtesy of its hydromemes propellant can burn for a 135 seconds longer, but 450.5s * 22,300lbf = 10,046,150lbf of total exhaust potential vs 69,146,000lbf of total exhaust potential.

The Falcon 9 second stage can do nearly 7x more in 30% less time with the same amount of mass. The Merlin-1D++ is an absolute monster.

>>14106876

Oh, either way, it was a fun post to write; thanks all the same.
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>>14106267
>make money arming Ukraine
>make money heating Germany
>generate lols making russia seethe
problem?
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>>14106908
>If South-Americans did not exist, there would already have been a lunar base by now.
Is this what mutts unironically believe?
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>>14106884
Mirror alignment takes 9-10 days per mirror, 18 hex mirrors +secondary mirror is 19 mirrors, so 181-190 days
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>>14106278
My go-to "big direct ascent" Mun lander design for farming tourism contracts, it just works
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>>14106422
HUNGA TONGA HUNGA BOOBA AWOOOGA
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>>14106908
Quit shifting the blame lol, Mexipanalivia in the middle of bumfuck nowhere isn’t the reason we haven’t gone back to the Noon. It’s due to brain dead US politicians, and no enemy worth racing space over
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>>14106929

That's only cause the Mun is like 1/2 the size of the Moon, so the hydrolox kN output is good enough to land something as heavy as orion on its surface easily. If the Mun was any bigger, you wouldn't have enough thrust output from the 2 engines of the centaur upper stage to make it to the orbit without failure. Kek
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>>14106428
>>14106931
Thank you for your comments.
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>>14106287
He couldn't have got away with that, could he?
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Any update on oil rigs?
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>>14106330
Seth here
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>>14106945
The amount of enviros and normies complaining about fish getting killed will be insane.
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>>14106938
Wait so >>14106278 as a lander isn't possible?
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>>14106957

No, it is, but only in KSP and only for the Mun. It's not possible for the actual Moon. Orion is a yo momma's so fat, she needs an exploration upper stage to make it to the Moon.
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>>14106955
Fish are important, anon.
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>>14106964
Well, Super Heavy can still launch Orion if ever
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>>14106835
pleiades for the cave painting/bible/anime triple pedgiree
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>>14106964
What Orion really needs is a depot.
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>>14106979
lmao that seems like a stretch
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>>14106908
I sure do like clueless 15 year old boys posting here
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>>14106979
pure schizo
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>>14106995
>I sure do like clueless 15 year old boys posting here
Is it making you hard, anon?
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>>14106964
>>14106957

In KSP, take the Centaur III upperstage and increase the number of engines from 2 to 4. Put Orion on top of it, get it to the Karman line like Below Orbit does, and then try to land back on Kerbin propulsively using the 4-engine Centaur III upperstage with landing legs while carrying big bertha Orion. You'll find quickly, that even with 4 engines, the kN output relative to the fuel/mass ratio of the entire vehicle is so utterly shit, you'll pancake into the ground rather than actually land.

The Delta IV heavy has 3 RS-68s, each of them have a 3,137kN. So to get 31 tons (D4HV) to LEO, you need 9,375kN of thrust. Orion BY ITSELF weighs 22.7 metric tons. 73% of the D4HV payload to LEO capability is taken up by Orion. Doing linear approximation you need 6,864kN of thrust to get Orion to orbit OR to land Orion from orbit propulsively back onto Kerbin. But if you're landing, you want like 5% margin on fuel in case something goes wrong, so the actual kN value is greater closer to 7,332kN (I know fuel/mass/exhaust velocity doesn't work like this, but we're doing this relative to KSP, so deal with it).

The 2-engine Centaur III upperstage is powered by a pair of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RL10 engines. Each of them have a thrust profile of 110kN. You put four of them together on the same tank, and assuming plumbing and flow works for magically, you'd get a combined thrust profile of 440kN. You need 16x MORE thrust to handle Orion in a gravity well during landing on Earth. Kerbin is like ~40% the size of Earth and Mun is 1/2 that. Assuming napkin approximations (and at this point this math is super sketch, but for the purpose of this example, its probably good enough), 40% of Earth @ 7332kN = 2,932.9kN. Mun is half that, so 1,466kN.

Kerbin landing thrust requirement with Orion = 2,932.9kN approximate

Mun landing requirement with Orion = 1,466kN approximate

4-engine Centaur III stage w/ landing legs w/ Orion = 440kN actual. Fucking lol dude.
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>>14106979
Wouldn't the relative positions of the stars shift slightly during the 20,000 years between these cave paintings and today? Probably not by much, but at least a little. I'm sure there's a way to see what the constellations would've looked like at differing points in the past.
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>>14106939
mahalo, my nigga
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>>14106576
Weather systems are ridiculously OP.
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>>14107022
>OP
Like a faggot or something?
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>>14107022

Yeah. Trump wanting to nuke a hurricane to make it go away is quality autism. I had many laughs. The most you'd do is enrich the existent system and make it stronger.
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>>14107011

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration_Upper_Stage

The EUS is literally a Centaur III upperstage with 4 engines. My fucking sides are gone. All my math completely checks out.
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>>14106979
>>14107017
Most of the image is fake. There is no Pleiades or Orion, extrapolating from a bull is a bit of a reach.
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>>14107017
Humanity has been watching the Pleiades so long that several cultures have a story of six sisters with a seventh that died/hid/left. From Earth's frame of reference the seventh sister hasn't been visible in about 100,000 years, and so the developments of language and oral history must stretch back to before the emergence of anatomically modern humans. It's a complete disproof of creationism and Imago Dei because it shows consciousness predates the modern human form.

That cave painting is totally a star map.

https://theconversation.com/the-worlds-oldest-story-astronomers-say-global-myths-about-seven-sisters-stars-may-reach-back-100-000-years-151568
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>>14106830
Falcon 9 doesn't use any explosive bolts anywhere
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>>14107037
Uhhh the ICPS is a Centaur (technically it's a DCSS), wouldn't the EUS be way more powerful than a centaur III?
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>>14107060
Anatomically modern humans existed 250,000 years ago, though. I don't disagree regarding premodern consciousness, that's a given imo. Not sure about the star map but it's interesting to consider.
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>>14106919
>>Merlin-1D++
>>Vacuum Thrust: 220,000lbf
>>ISP: 314.3s
M1D Vac has an Isp of 340, not 314.3. So your point is actually more correct.
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>>14107068

I stand corrected. Nonetheless, it doesn't change the outcome.

>>14107069

Its just a name difference. The fuel type is the same, and the engine variants are the same. Also look at the final kN thrust profile.

>>14107074

Task failed successfully?
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>>14106938
Mun has a gravity of 1.63 m/s^2, the Moon has a gravity of 1.627 m/s^2, also Ksp doesn't have hydrolox and kerolox, it has one bipropellant type.
The Moon is about 8.7 times wider than Mun, but that's true of every object in Ksp since the entire system is shrunk down for game balancing purposes.
Also the original picture in >>14106278 is of the EUS which has 4 RL-10 engines.
Finally the fact that you took a comment about ksp that seriously makes you kinda retarded
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>>14107099

Where do you think you are.
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>>14107104
kspg?
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>>14107060
>bicameral mind btfo by 100,000 year old astronomy

based
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>>14107124
Not enough cat fucking
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>>14107124
shhh don't tell the jannies
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>>14106494
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>>14107145

>first idea is kinda weird, but allowable
>second tweet is unbridled faggotry

He's literally his own worst enemy. Its really amazing.
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>>14107145
and elon never replied
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>>14107152

Cause he made it weird. Like so weird, Elon was uncomfortable with the follow up, and Elon is weird.
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>>14106798
I hope US GPS assets are severely affected. maybe then congress will take space force seriously and we can balloon the budget and launch more stuff
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>>14107145
thats it, i hate this fag now
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>>14107140
Caturday or not this is still a blue board.
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>>14107011
>>14107037
You fucking retard, you're comparing size, not gravity. The Moon and Mun from Ksp both have about the same gravity, which is one 6th that of Earth gravity. You're also comparing liftoff thrust to low Earth orbit capacity which is incorrect and dumb. You're ALSO conflating thrust to delta V, which is beyond stupid.

For liftoff, the only thing that matters is having more thrust force than weight force, which depends on local gravity, which again is 1/6th of Earth gravity. 440 kN lets you lift anything that masses less than 44.86 tons in Earth gravity, which means in lunar gravity your vehicle can lift off as long as it masses less than 269 tons.

For landing on the Moon and returning to low lunar orbit you need a total delta V of about 4000 m/s. Even if I take pessimistic numbers for dry mass (26 tons for Orion plus the service module and another 28 tons for the dry stage with legs), the known propellant mass of 129 tons on the EUS with the 460 Isp of the RL-10C3 gives a delta V of 5,554 m/s, which is more than 1.5 km/s more than is necessary to do a Moon landing and return to orbit single stage. Also, in reference to the Moon, the vehicle would START with a thrust to weight ratio of over 1.45 at full throttle, and would only gain TWR from there.

So basically, your numbers are bullshit, you are LARPing as someone who knows anything about rocket vehicle design, and you should shut the fuck up and read some books.
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>>14107155
>Elon was uncomfortable
lol I'm sure he cringed so badly he just closed the browser
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>>14106278
So would it work or not, fuck KSP numbers I want to know IRL
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>>14107165
sweet jesus
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>>14107165
Dark streaks trailing beads of liquid doesn't make any sense unless that's liquid shoe polish
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>>14107167
How have you figured this out but NASA haven't that a fucking Orion + EUS can serve as the lander holy fuck... If we're stuck with SLS and EUS then they can at least do something interesting with it, but ICPS is totally shit.

Crazy to think NASA could have had their own lander if they just did EUS integrated with Orion, but then no Starship HLS...
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>>14107186
>>14107167
Can Starship or another vehicle launch just an EUS+Orion lander? I feel like EUS and Orion are worth salvaging even if they scrap SLS
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>>14107175
see >>14107167
short answer yes, but you need to figure out hydrolox lunar orbit propellant transfer to make it actually practical
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>>14107167
>on the EUS with the 460 Isp of the RL-10C3 gives a delta V of 5,554 m/s
fuck me, hydrolox is King in the vacuum
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>>14107186
>>14107193
The reason Orion+EUS lander is never going to happen is because it would cost a gorillion dollars and take 1500 years for boing and lockmart to develop and deliver. On paper, the concept is sound, but in real life a much safer and more practical bet would be to buy a bunch of methalox GG engines Rocketlab is going to make and commission a life support pallet module that can be loaded inside a big steel tank to make the lander's habitat section. Have two engines for redundancy but only use one at a time, rely on propellant shipments via Starship, simple as.
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>>14107060
do retards actually think consciousness just switched on randomly one day?
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>>14107171

Elon's a total chad. Every single kid's he fathered has been a boy. He's been married thrice. Its kinda ridiculous. Yeah, he's got Aspergers, but that doesn't detract from the fact that he's everything that Erryday Soi Boi isn't. That part II tweet the baldie makes is like when a drug dealer gets high off his own supply. The dude let fame get to his head and thought that because Elon likes making jokes about bouncy trampolines and occasionally references Rick and Morty for some of its comedy, that means that an idea discussion somehow means a blank check to keep going when you shouldn't. So yeah, I bet that Elon def closed the browser/app/w-e and ignored him until he asked an appropriate question. In part one, he talked numbers. Yeah the whole catching it with a net is may may fanny, but its still MATH based. Part two is soi boi failing to read the room.
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>>14107207
A methalox stage of the same mass would have far smaller tanks and the resulting increase in wet dry mass ratio gives the equivalent vehicle a delta V budget of 6204 m/s of delta V. A ~650 m/s improvement plus all the benefits of a more easily stored fuel with higher TWR engines and no embrittlement issues. Hydrolox is ALWAYS and FOREVER a SHIT, no exceptions.
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>>14107228
Maybe Elon is like that because he actually has two Y chromosomes and no X chromosomes per cell
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>>14107230
aww shit, I fell for the ISP numbers
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>>14107236
many such cases
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>>14107240
wonder why NASA didn't take the Methane pill
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>>14107193
To be fair the lockmart proposal literally uses the orion hull as the crew compartment, and the 4X RL-10 lander is essentially running on an EUS for all intents and purposes
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>>14107252
I bet a European came up with this
>muh dust
>waaaaaaahhhhh

>meanwhile
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>>14107249
It's unironically because they fell for the Isp meme.
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>>14107252
>ywn live in the reality where the Lunar Robber Barons of Lunar 66 wage a war against those in charge of the Dixie Ropeway
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>>14107252
That graphic makes me want to puke, what the fuck is that a highschool project?
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>>14107253

Problem is with dust on the suit. If you bring that inside you're pretty fucked. Inhaling lunar regolith is like inhaling a million razors. Your alveoli are gonna get lacerated and you'll wish you weren't born.
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>>14107259
Are you disabled?
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>>14107262

I come here, so yes.
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>>14107259
The solution is to hose down the airlock with water every time you come in from an EVA, which knocks the dust down from mild hazard to zero hazard. Lunar dust is FUD material like none other, only cosmic rays get more unwarranted attention.
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>>14107167
this is why one should play with real solar system and all the realism mods to avoid being called a retard
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>>14107259
Yeah those 99 year old apollo astronauts are going to die of shredded lungs any day now. Certainly won’t be old age that gets them
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>>14107259
Put a shower in the airlock, drain on the floor with a filter you periodically have to empty.
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>>14107259
Are you European?
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Retards in this general have never heard or a suit port
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>>14107274

I'm Canadian. Sorry.
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>>14107269

yeah lets use the most precious lunar material to wash pressure suits lmao
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>>14107276
Ruins suit aesthetics, unnecessary with a dedicated airlock and EVA stowage deck aboard Starship HLS
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>>14107263
kek
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>>14107280
>land a Starship on the Moon with 100 tons of water as payload
Space is too hard, guys
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>>14107282
>suit aesthetics
>aesthetics
this is why you'll never be a competent engineer
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>>14107254
You need full flow staged combustion engines to make the methalox math work. NASA has tried running the RL10, an expander cycle engine, on methalox and IIRC they still didn't get the magic 380s Isp needed to beat hydrolox in total delta-V. FFSC engines are much larger and heavier, and so NASA hasn't had a rocket that could benefit since the Saturn V. For ICPS/EUS in particular the goal was zero new engine development beyond tweaking the RL10 a bit.

Also for deep space paper rockets LH2 has been preferred for decades because water ice is a lot more common than carbon in the outer system. We didn't even know our own moon had surface carbon until less than a decade ago. Availability is king for ISRU.
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>>14107280
>>14107280
>implying 90% of all lunar water wont just be imported from earth on the cheap by starships anyway.
If you actually think the "muh water on the moon" was a good justification to go, unironically kill yourself. it's bullshit to placate retards like you
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https://youtu.be/YqhcRmoenjk
did you guys see this????
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>>14107276
>>14107289
He's right, it's why xEMU looks like Quasimodo. The real redpill is that suitports only make sense for powered hardsuit mecha that can be kept at 1atm cockpit pressure.
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>>14107301
Water is stored in the balls
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>>14107301
balls to the wall curazzy
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>>14107280
Honest question, do you come from a southeast asian country? Do you not understand what water treatment is?
You have an airlock dust decontamination system based on water spray. It's charged with 100 liters. During a decontamination cycle the water is sprayed, it falls to the floor, it enters a sump, it's pumped into a tank, and it gets pumped from the tank back to the nozzles. The water circulates for as long as you run the decontamination sequence.
When not decontaminating suits and equipment (ie 99.99% of the time) the water in the tank is agitated and run through a particulate filter column. This filter column actually just a large fabric bag packed with crushed lunar rock (crushed rock doesn't have the same attributes as lunar dust, because the crushing action destroys the 'sharp' features produced by vacuum deposition of vaporized SiO2). The slurry water is pumped up onto the top of the filter pack, and it percholates down until it flows out the bottom, having had all dust grains removed.
This self-cleaning cycle operates continuously until either the next return from EVA, or until the water of the system reaches an acceptable level of clarity, at which it is determined to be clean and the system goes into standby mode.

So in short, you bring 100 kg of water to the Moon on top of the multiple tons that you're bringing to handle every other human-life-support related task that water performs on a Moon base, and you use that water perpetually to prevent dust ingress. Over time the water does evaporate a little and needs to be replenished, but all of the water that evaporates is pulled back out of the base's air in the dehumidifying system anyway, so the net loss of water is zero.
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>>14107311
It's not that easy in recycley
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Would pykrete work as a hydrolox depot material? Water ice and wood fiber are already extremely hydrogen rich so embrittlement is a non factor, and a depot doesn't need to be super light if you can just make station keeping thrusters bigger.
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>>14107295
>You need full flow staged combustion engines to make the methalox math work.
No you don't. Even at 350 Isp the methalox version I described gets a delta V of 5714, which is still better than the hydrolox EUS. 380 Isp is not a 'magic number', the advantage of methalox is more in the density of the bipropellant combined with the storability and flexibility of engine cycle choice.
You're also wrong about FFSC engines in general. Their biggest advantage is the huge chamber pressures they can achieve, which leads to very high TWR, which means they're actually the lightest option for a given thrust output (ie, an expander cycle that made 500 kN would mass a lot more than a FFSC engine that made 500 kN).
For ICPS/EUS in particular the goal was to maximize money being siphoned into the respective hardware provider companies by offering the least capability and technological improvement for the greatest cost.
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>>14107334
>For ICPS/EUS in particular the goal was to maximize money being siphoned into the respective hardware provider companies by offering the least capability and technological improvement for the greatest cost.
I love our space program, devoted to ensuring stagnation.
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Elon Musk
@elonmusk
1469 Starlink satellites active
272 moving to operational orbits
>Laser links activate soon
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1482424984962101249
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>>14107327
Being hydrogen rich doesn't matter for hydrogen embrittlement, having a metal that readily forms metal hydride compounds being exposed to hydrogen is what causes hydrogen embrittlement. Carbon fiber composites are totally immune to hydrogen embrittlement, for example.

Here's the thing. Metals in groups 7, 8, and 9 on the periodic table do not form metal hydrides readily or at all. The most obvious one of these metals to use in a hydrogen tank to ensure zero embrittlement is the very exotic metal IRON. That's right, your typical chunk of iron is immune to hydrogen embrittlement. Now, if you add a bunch of additional metals to form a fancy alloy, you may end up creating a mixture that does actually get embrittled by hydrogen, but if you aren't RETARDED you can just make your big hydrogen storage tank out of relatively pure iron (or iron with some cobalt and/or manganese).
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are we about to enter the age of the aerospike?
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>>14107336
Wouldn't want to rock the boat and mess up that carefully tuned military industrial complex now
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>>14107361
>iron
heavy...
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>>14107362
depends on if you can get even one actual advantage over conventional bell nozzle engines using an aerospike, which so far no one has ever demonstrated.
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>>14107369
if only someone was building some sort of superheavy rocket that could lift heavy things like iron

even crazier if that rocket was itself mostly made of iron
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>>14107362
>caring about ISP in atmosphere
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>>14107368
Eisenhower's original phrase was Military/Industrial/Congressional Complex but he pussied out for some reason.
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would it be cheaper to simply separate the graft from the actual space programs? for example, they could just give Jeff Bezos the $10B directly instead of going through the effort of pretending it's for some sort of "alternative lander"

Cancel all SLS missions after Artemis 1 and just give Boeing a billion dollars a year in "launch readiness subsidies" to pretend SLS will ever fly again
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>>14107397
space fireworks
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>>14107361
>iron
but iron is a rare mineral in Earths crust, how do we get enough iron for the tanks? we have steel which is a similar element but iron is unheard of...
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>>14107346
Reminder, Elon is now closing in to the top 10 ranked Twitter followed account. Out of 50 accounts, the only other science/engineer/tech related are billgates (17th) /nasa (25th). Musk is 12th right now, should cross into 11th in a week or so.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-followed_Twitter_accounts
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>>14106835
I've always liked Delphinus because dolphins are cool and I can always find it easily despite it being so small. The stars being so close together also gives it a nice glow
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>>14107397
based but i could see the astronomers raising a big stink about it
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>>14107397
Weren't they going to do this for the japanese olympics or something
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>>14107392
There are laws against that sort of naked graft which is why we're in the situation we're in now. A better fix is requiring bill sponsors to read the full text of their bills aloud before they can be voted on, which would stop the 5000 page porkzillas from existing.
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>>14107369
Context is a guy talking about building a stationary orbiting fuel depot out of thick walls of frozen wood pulp and water. Mass not an issue. Also, Starship and the original Atlas rockets both prove iron structures can still get excellent mass ratios.
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>>14107414
They would still be as long as they are, if not longer to make sure everyone is bored out of their minds. Reading them would just be a custom and slow everything down even more
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>>14107401
poor attempt
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>>14107406
Fuck em
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>>14107421
Formality I meant, not custom, and also if you introduced a law where you at least had to read aloud a summary of each bill it wouldn't change anything. Even if you snuck shit into your bill that hindered NASA or demanded 2 landers and demanded more SLS launches or whatever, politicians don't give a SHIT. They only care if it increases or decreases jobs in their district and helps them get reelected
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>>14107362
If you want aerospikes to be useful then just build a Venus colony
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>>14107421
Requiring a full reread after every amendment would stop the frivolous pork packing process that happens now dead in its tracks.
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>>14107435
Even if a Venus colony made any sense, it would unironically be better to build a big ducted fan powered "first stage" launch platform that would use the high density atmosphere to ascent to an altitude of >50 km then from there your typical bell nozzle two stage rocket gets to orbit in an earth-analogous manner.
Meanwhile on Titan you would either use the same ducted fan thing OR you could use air-ingesting turbofan engines that use internal fuel-oxidizer supplies to get up to >1500 m/s which is a suborbital trajectory in that low gravity, then circularize using vacuum optimized bell nozzles on a rocket engine. Once again better options available than the heavier, overheat-prone aerospike rocket nozzle.
Aerospike lovers forever cucked lmao
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>>14107406
nah, its short lived & localised
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>>14107451
So you're saying we should devote a few hundred million towards setting up a permanent artificial meteorite display over every group based telescope observatory on the planet? I agree
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>>14107464
Too expensive, we already have the final solution to the astroonomer question
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OK, since the one semi reasonable argument in favor of hydrolox was ISRU, let's look at all the places that have a mix of carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen available for methalox ISRU.
>Mars (duh)
>Ceres (visible water ice and a shitload of surface carbon)
>Callisto (CO2 at surface level, liquid subsurface water)
>Titan (duh)
So the one place people can reasonably do round trips to with chemical rockets that doesn't have easy methalox ISRU is Venus... but Venus is cheap and easy compared to the outer system. Refuel at EML2 instead of in LEO and you can easily carry enough propellant to insert into Venus orbit, do your mission, and come back to EML2.

Methalox hot gas RCS would therefore make sense even with fusion rockets since it's a hell of a lot easier than synthesizing NTO/UDMH in situ.
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>>14107483
>Refuel at EML2 instead of in LEO and you can easily carry enough propellant to insert into Venus orbit, do your mission, and come back to EML2.
Venus atmospheric sample return...
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>>14107506
>you require more phosphine gas
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>>14107509
>rust fucking everywhere
remind me why the fuck is this supposed to be a SPACEcraft anyway?
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>suitlets
When will they learn?
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>>14104904
We should probably keep something in LEO anyway just because it's convenient. If you want to test something like the astronaut exercise equipment or whatever it'd be kind of annoying to have to ship it all the way to the moon. The current maintainence requirements for the ISS are insane but I don't think we should just have nothing.
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>>14107509
embarrassing
...
for boing!
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>>14107362
name 1 (one) aerospace company that's developing aerospace engine
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>>14107536
space x
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>>14107538
proofs?
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>>14107536
>aerospace engine
ARCA
>noooo I meant aerospike engine
ARCA
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>>14107540
common sense
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>>14107540
aerospace engines
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>>14107546
>>14107541
you know well what I meant you little shits
you have nothing and you know it
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>>14107556
>name 1 (one) aerospace company that's developing aerospace engine
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>>14107556
aerospace engine
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>>14104440
spray some bedliner on it it'll be fine
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>>14107518
no rust in space
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>>14107518
Factory versions will have wagies going out slathering WD40 all over the rocket
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>>14107556
Pangaea in Spain hot fired a methalox aerospike last fall.

https://www.spacedaily.com/m/reports/Pangea_Aerospace_hot_fire_tests_the_first_MethaLox_aerospike_engine_in_the_world_999.html
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>>14107570
exactly, space is made for pristine state of the art SPACEcraft, not shitty glorified farm grain silos that will RUD as soon as it lifts off the pad
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>>14107575
4cm engines shouldn’t count for shit, it’s just a glorified hobby and you can do it in your backyard
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>>14107556
https://www.satellite-evolution.com/post/pangea-aerospace-successfully-hot-fire-tests-the-first-methalox-aerospike-engine-in-the-world
pangea aerospace apparently
>claims 15% increase in efficiency, but then goes on to say "15% more payload to orbit", which is not the same thing
>graph showing efficiency lines for bell nozzle vs aerospike with no scale on the axis
>NO MENTION OF ACTUAL ISP DESPITE HOT FIRE TESTS COMPLETED
yeah I'm thinking it's kinda shit
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>>14107578
>he doesn't know ULA actually PAYS to get their rocket tanks pre-corroded in a tank of acid
>spacex figured out how to get tank corrosion for free
best process is no process
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>>14107574
That's literally what WD40 was made for with the original SM-65 Atlas.
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The amount of kino satellite imagery of the Tonga explosion is impressive. How many earth observation satellites are up there now? Thousands?
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>>14107594
Yessir, needed to keep those steel balloon tanks free of rust
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>>14107595
it'll be even cooler when we get to see the nukes drop
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>>14104357
Saturn V engineers were liightyears ahead of Shittle enginners. The Shittle is less capable and more expensive than the Saturn V. Only now after 50 years of technology development are they catching up with Saturn with the SLS
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>>14107595
2.5x more than 10 years ago at least, besides with a Starlink (2.0) you can photograph anything
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>>14107397
What color will the Russian booster be?
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>>14107595
I tried to look some up after I hear the news but no luck. Mind spoonfeeding me?
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>>14107602
Unfortunately one of the first victims of WW3 will probably be the internet. There will be no comfy "nukes incoming 20 minutes hype" /pol/ thread.
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>>14107602
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>>14107628
I was also looking for info on satellite imagery after seeing the Tonga footage and I found this site: soar.earth/satellites
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>>14107628
As far as I can tell, there's been no contact with anyone on the island in 12 hours. It's possible the entire population of Tonga is dead.
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>>14107628
>>14107635

It's in this thread. >>14106422
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>>14107595
hundreds at least. i know the planet company alone has at least 100.
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>>14107612
Are you seriously comparing a spaceplane to the rocket? Of course, its performance is going to suck and retarded requirements made it even worse.
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>>14107640
no contact with anyone for 12 hours? Even still now?
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>>14107640
>dirtsniffers want to cross the stars to settle on planets that do this & much worse
no thanks!
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>>14107647
Backsliding because you picked an inherently stupid design is still backsliding.
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>>14107658
Your shillinders will be much more vulnerable than a pacific island
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>>14107159
>Looks like a...R-330Zh...
https://twitter.com/tom_bullock_/status/1482041200957923329

>The R-330ZH automated jammer provides...electronic countermeasures (ECM) against portable and mobile ground stations (subscriber terminals) of satellite communication systems (SCS) INMARSAT, IRIDIUM, basic stations of cellular communication system GSM-1800 and navigation equipment of consumers of satellite radio positioning system NAVSTAR (GPS)
https://roe.ru/eng/catalog/air-defence-systems/elint-and-ew-equipment/r-33ozh/

SOON
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>>14107658
Based O'neillchad.
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>>14106248
>With the Russians it is not a question of whether but of when," he would say. An oft-quoted remark of his is, "If you say why not bomb them tomorrow, I say why not today? If you say today at 5 o'clock, I say why not one o'clock?"
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>>14107630
yeah but the astronauts can take cool pics
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>>14107653
It's dead.
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>>14107669
>flaking
>rusting
this will never make it past the lunchpad
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>>14107669
>doesn't block Starlink
Muskrats just can't stop winning, huh
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>>14107677
rest in peace tonka bros
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>>14107677
damn..so uhh.. what are the chances they got pompeii'd and the "everyone is dead" isn't a meme?
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>>14107677
does this include starlink or no?
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>>14107685
The last footage we have from Tonga is a bunch of buildings being wiped out by a tsunami, and then nothing for 12 hours. They aren't Pompeii'd, they're Sumatra 2004'd. Hunga Tonga (the volcano) is within spitting distance of the main island (75k population) and just did a heckin VE5erino.
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>>14107702
can it be used as one of those glider missiles?
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>>14107702
wtf kino

sauce?
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>>14107677
it's over
turns out first pacific nation to go wasn't tuvalu
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>>14107707
That's like asking if you can just stick a nuke on a X-37.

Yes.
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Post your home adress
https://api.soar.earth/short/799114a
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https://twitter.com/Neo_EimajOzear/status/1384924890583683075

>CSS gets BTSFO so hard he gets mad and blocks the guy who BTFO'd him

love to see it
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>>14107664
>live on planet
>orbit predictable for millennia ahead
>RKV hits it
>everyone dies
no thanks!
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>>14107703
>build house on island situated literally right over a subducting plate
>that’s a good trick!
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how do they start the raptor engine?
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>>14107708
That looks like a Twitter filename and a render of a reusable spaceplane version of Cygnus XL.
>same size
>same solar panels
>same ass end
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Hullo has a bunch of Tonga satellite videos on his Twitter
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>>14107702
You could probably get by with FAR less wing mass, but the idea is still le kino
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>>14107703
third worlders never fail to impress building shit next to dangerous volcanes
>inb4 yellowstone supervolcano
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That volcano must be pretty shallow for all the water not to extinguish it. Reminder that if a meteor hits it better hit the ocean to minimize debris
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>>14107721
that guy is a gunnerson fan too
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>>14107685
it’s a completely flat and fairly impoverished island hit by a tsunami with a point of origin that was in the handful of miles. it’s probably not everyone but it’s not going to be good
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>>14107747
why is it so difficult to find some updates or discussion about how Tongan people are faring right now? You look up "Tonga" on the internet and every single article or thread is about the volcano, it's like nobody cares about what happened to the entire country and its population lmao
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>>14107746
Actually now that I think about it you could probably launch this thing on Neutron if you kept dry mass low enough.
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>>14107747
yeah this one is nuts
https://mobile.twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1482411043674460161
that does NOT look good
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>>14107776
I'm not sure if they're trying to implicitly imply they are dead but I can find any information or speculation either.
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>>14107776
Not that hard.
https://twitter.com/JTuisinu/status/1482243845614374915?s=20
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>>14107669
more advanced electronic/space warfare systems were on the same train
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1482470014145941505

>Krasukha-4 is also widely reported to have the ability to interfere with observations of radar reconnaissance satellites. An old version of KRET’s website described it as a “mobile electronic warfare system to suppress spy satellites, ground-based radars and AWACS airborne systems,” adding that it can “fully cover an object from radar detection at 150–300 km” by creating “powerful jamming at fundamental radar frequencies.” In May 2015, the Interfax-AVN news agency quoted an anonymous military official as saying that Krasukha-4 was being successfully used against US radar reconnaissance satellites of the Lacrosse type
https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4056/1
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>>14107788
>https://twitter.com/JTuisinu/status/1482243845614374915?s=20
some guy is saying it's older footage and this does not look as violent as some posters here are describing it would be.
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>>14107788
finally, some footage at last
thanks
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>>14107721
when will skeptlets learn?
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>>14107742
tiny man with a crank
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>>14107787
i doubt anyone knows. if the islands communication is down it’s not like someone can just check. i wonder if the kiwis or americans will send ships to check
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>>14107795
it's old footage
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>>14107769
actual retardation here
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>>14107742
Spark plugs.
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>>14107805
yeah, I saw the comment above mine after having posted.
anyways, some guy named Faka’iloatonga Taumoefolau (Project Coordinator for the Tonga Parliament Buildings Project) has a couple of images and another video in the comment section. Seems legit this time.
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>>14107803
There's video of the remnants of the tsunami splashing into San Francisco Bay about six hours ago so I suspect the US will investigate.
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>>14107792
im still waiting for the mythical tirada to make an appearance. it's going to be wild if it does.

>In late 2017, a Russian military official appearing before a parliamentary defense committee described it as a “mobile complex for the radio-electronic destruction of communications satellites.”
>In early 2018, an anonymous source within Russia’s military industrial complex told the Interfax news agency that Tirada-2 was capable of “disabling communications satellites”
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>>14107794
It doesn't have to be violent, it's a flat island at sea level with no high buildings, all it takes is for the sea level to rise significantly for a few minutes and most people drown
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Bros I started reading Ignition! but I feel like I'm being filtered by all the technical chemistry shit. Is it worth it to continue or should I give up and read a different book?
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>>14107764
Won't Yellowstone vaporize all of the pacific and rocky regions, blanket all of North America in volcanic ash, and kill effectively everyone in the entire northern hemisphere if it erupts?
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>>14107783
what the fuck
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>>14107820
I haven't taken chemistry since high school and I was able to follow along.
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>>14107814
>Faka’iloatonga Taumoefolau
last tweet 17h ago
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>>14107820
If you don't understand something, then just look up the definition.
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>>14107825
maybe he just went to sleep
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>>14107721
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>>14107815
american samoa is very very close to tonga.
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>>14104751
I want to plow a big tiddy futa cowgirl
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>>14107832
he went to a long, long sleep
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>>14105713
>MEV2
>not government
Lol lmao rofl
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>>14107831
Not so much that I don't understand something, but I get lost when he just casually name drops triethylborosillicate-1,3,carbidepropanolamide.
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7 hours ago
https://twitter.com/fineutuvai/status/1482372281829855243
>At around 10pm to midnight DFAT received word from the Aus HC in Tonga that there were no casualties. Sea communication cables are damaged as a result of the volcanic eruption. Further and better updates will be available as the day unfolds. Source: DFAT Helpline.
doomerposters, we got too cocky?
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>>14107853
>no casualties
Obvious bullshit. Even for tiny stuff there's still casualties.
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>>14107843
any ubdates from Samoa
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>>14107853
>no casualties
Good. For a moment there I was going schizo because I thought the whole island got wiped and noone reported it.
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>>14107853
habbening cancelled, it's over /po- /sfg/bros..
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>>14107509

So they're not starlink antenna, but they're covers for the vents. Most likely hydraulics controlled.
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>>14106835
Vulpecula
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tongan rocket
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>>14107847
Post a source.
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>>14107821
no.
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>>14106835
I'm a pleb with glasses that's lived in built up areas for most of my life so Orion is one of the few I can see with my own eyes. It was also the first one I did space research on back in elementary school which left a lingering fondness for the hunter.
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I want to know if there are any updates on the oil platform and if they are planning on catching the booster on the oil platform or landing on it.
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Galactic Tonga when?
https://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/28/business/tiny-tonga-seeks-satellite-empire-in-space.html
https://www.baka.com.au/world/tonga-joins-space-tourism-race-20020327-gdf5d7.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TONGASAT
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>>14107561
Nuclear salt water rocket?
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>>14107783
Geologychads we can’t stop winning
Soon it will be the whole world with a comet impact, or a super secret undetected large igneous province will unleash its fury and make the deccan traps look like child’s play
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>>14107794
Tsunamis aren’t giant waves like the movies. They are long wavelength propagations that end up ceaselessly dragging debris until everything is carried away in the unending onslaught of flow and turbulence
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>>14107581
what about those circular detonation engines?
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History will remember BO as the pioneer of propulsive landing and reusable rockets and no amount of lying muskrats will change this.
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>>14107966
>quite pungent indeed
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>>14107966
I wonder what the biggest explosions on Io look like
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>>14107930
Totally different technology and also the high reported Isp was because they were using hydrogen and air, for reference a typical jet engine converted to burn hydrogen and air will get an Isp of like 20,000. In reality the specific impulse of RDEs won't be remarkably higher than that of normal rocket engines, however an "ideal" RDE design could be lighter overall and wouldn't need to have super high pressure turbopumps because the chamber would operate at a low static pressure and RDEs don't need nozzles to accelerate the propellant to high velocity in theory.
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>>14107966
>world war 3
>volcanoes wiping out entire countries
>tens of millions dead from global plague
fuck the faa, launch to mars now
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>>14107966
It's not that I hate Urf, I just hate the people living there. It truly has some of the most interesting geology in the whole solar system
https://youtu.be/BUREX8aFbMs?t=11
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>>14107994
>History will remember BO
[citation needed]
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>>14107708
https://twitter.com/Amateur_Astro1/status/1478123067616509952/photo/1
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>>14108036
It's literally a US kliper lol
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>France is developing its own reusable rocket launchers

>The project is called Maia Space

>The Maia project should be ready to carry out its first commercial mission in 2026, taking off from the launch pad of the former Diamant rockets, in Kourou, French Guiana.

French Revolution 2.0
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>>14108038
Americans and Russians are stealing their respective spacecraft designs since the '60s
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>>14108042
MAIA HEEEEE
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>>14108005
>RDE design could be lighter overall and wouldn't need to have super high pressure turbopumps because the chamber would operate at a low static pressure
seems like a superior engine in every aspect. So why aren't they used, what are the practical realities of RDE?
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>>14108012
This is probably why Zubrin is so hellbent on going to war. The only way humanity will reach Mars quickly is if Earth is fucked.

>>14108042
How do the French get away with naming their rockets after girl names
>Maia
>Ariane
>Adeline
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orenji
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>>14108056
Golden S-IVB is kino
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S
A
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>>14108082
true
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>>14108102
>>14108104
lol
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>>14108038
The difference is that the Cygnus bits can be tucked back in for reentry instead of jettisoned into orbit to burn up.
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>>14108095
HL-20 kino
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>>14108095
How do you make KSP look so good?
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>>14108113
Given the ROSAs in the picture I think that's Dream Chaser.
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>>14108120
not my pics, I think its RSS and all the latest grafix mods
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>>14107966
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>>14108104
Why wouldnt this work? And dont say wind shear
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>>14108134
Any rocket with shuttle architecture lost the ability to fly after 2011
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>China
>France


Where is the US this year?
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>>14108152
Ahead of both
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>>14108134
You'd need to uprate the SSMEs to handle the taller rogget.
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>>14108134
Making a rocket wider allows for better mass fractions compared to making it longer (see: Starship).
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>Here is NASA's space program for the next 5 years

Pic related
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>>14108167
.
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>>14108166
why did spacex stretch falcon and starship?
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>>14108184
They uprated the Merlins so the engines could lift moar rogget.
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>>14108187
so you're tellin me they already uprated raptor
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>>14108190
yes
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>continuous global coverage of the earth from space
>nobody is sharing current satellite imagery of tonga
is it still there or not?
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>>14108167
lmao
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>>14108200
because it's fake
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>>14107054
>>14106979
Go look up the actual painting. The Orion section is very questionable ('ah yes, the vaunted 4 stars of Orion's Belt') but the position of the supposed Pleiades in relation to the bull (Taurus) is quite interesting.
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>>14108205
someone looking for a pattern will inevitably find one
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>>14108190
Step right up and behold: Raptor 2! we have all the engines in production, we've test fired them on the stands at mcgregor! you want proof? how about my infallable word, good as gold (or stainless steel!) And mind the rust!
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>>14108205
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>https://zoom.earth/#view=-20.93443,-175.09272,9z/date=2022-01-16,06:10,+9
>there was another major explosion 2 hours ago
its fucking over
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>>14108225
zero casualties
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>>14108225
it wasnt in the same spot as the other volcano, but a few miles closer to the island
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Can your precious Starship beat this?
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>>14108205
>'ah yes, the vaunted 4 stars of Orion's Belt'
Three and a nebula is close enough.
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>>14108212
I don't recall him announcing factories in Brockway, Ogdenville or North Haverbrook.
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>>14108190
So there's a chance for stretched Starship?
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>>14108231
>SLS Block 2
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>>14108235
felon already stretched it, if you actually believe him
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>>14108056
Orange rocket good?
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>>14108235
No chance, wind shear
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>>14107236
Every time you see someone mention "Isp", replace it with MPG. Because that's basically all it is, it's how fast it uses fuel, not how much power it can give while driving/throosting uphill.
High ISP is like a euro shitbox yugo that gets 50mpg but can't even get up 60mph on the highway.
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>>14108251
lol
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https://youtu.be/7JwuW0Nq5-M
I'll be there, anon, will you?
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SLS stan twitter is something else man
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>>14108251
Flatspace wins again!
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>>14108265
I was going to make an analogy about driving said euro shitbox yugo in Kansas, but it was going to be too long and kill the lulz.
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>>14108257
Starships out of florida make me mad but whatever. How tf will they even get them there?
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>>14108273
they'll land in florida
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Lol the absolute seethe
https://twitter.com/spacexmr/status/1482459707331825670?s=21
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>>14108273
>How tf will they even get them there?
point to point hopping
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>>14108288
kek
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>>14108288
buncha softies and faggots in the comments lmao, major simp energy
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>>14108205
What I posted is the real paining, your image is shopped. All those spots are not there.
>>14108232
Not really, the nebula isn't in the same line. It's perpendicular, as part of the sword.
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>>14108313
>What I posted is the real paining, your image is shopped. All those spots are not there.
My image isn't shopped you retard, it's an entirely different section of Lascaux.
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>>14108288
>
lol
lmao
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>>14108313
Here, some germ professor did his doctoral disseration on it back in 2004, I'm pretty sure he was the first person to bring the idea into the mainstream: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/289211311_A_Palaeolithic_Planetarium_Underground_-_The_Cave_of_Lascaux_Part_1

Rappenglück M, 2004, "A Palaeolithic Planetarium Underground - The Cave of Lascaux (Part 1)"
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>>14108288
>>14108300
>>14108306
>>14108329
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>>14108288
lmfao
>delete this
ahahahaha
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>>14108331
Also please note that by posting his dissertation I'm not agreeing with his ideas (I think they're interesting but a bit of a stretch). Merely posting them to show you're a retard who keeps claiming the images are shopped despite there being plenty of independent evidence out there to show otherwise (that, and using the eyes God gave you would also make you realise the bulls are totally different).
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>>14108329
Who are you my mom?
also hoes mad
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>le virgin overpayeed engineer working on SLS
vs
>Le chad mexican Juan working on water tank
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>>14108052
>>14108005 is right. The primary advantage of RDEs comes from their relative mechanical simplicity and lower operating pressures. RDEs are a VERY long way from leaving the lab, much less being used operationally. There was even a paper published recently that called into question whether or not there was even any pressure gain (the primary value of using a detonation wave to do your combustion) occurring in most laboratory RDEs. The Japanese test article that flew on a sounding rocket recently was closer to a gas heater than a working engine. I'm honestly somewhat skeptical if the theoretical advantages will ever pan out in practice, but thanks to their meme status, at least it's easy to get funding for them right now.

t. works on an RDE research project
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>>14108331
Thanks for the link. Maybe, but the Orion bit is still wrong. Even with Gaia proper motions there's no 4th star back then.
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Anyone have that pic of the giant room full of long tables with guys working on blueprints for the Saturn V with just paper and pencil?
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>>14107820
I understood it but it was so much methyl shit I forgot 90% of what the book was talking about
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>>14108352
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>A black hole in the Orion Nebula?
>The Orion Nebula Cluster has long been known as peculiar. Its stars move at a rapid speed, as if the whole cluster were flying apart. If the cluster contained more high-mass stars, the speed of these stars would be easier to understand. But it doesn’t, and so astronomers have wondered why these stars move so rapidly.
>An international team of astrophysicists – led by Dr. Ladislav Subr of Charles University in Prague – set up a computer model of the Orion Nebula Cluster. The model required a new method of dealing with the gas in this region of space and the way it is driven out from the young star cluster by the intensely radiating high-mass stars of the Trapezium. The model showed that, as the gas was being driven outwards, the cluster began to expand. That explained why most stars in the Orion Nebula Cluster move so rapidly. Many of the heavy stars were sling-shot out of the cluster, while some were driven into the center of the cluster and collided with the most massive star there. At some point, this massive star became unstable and imploded into a black hole, with a mass about 200 times larger than the sun.
https://earthsky.org/space/a-black-hole-in-the-orion-nebula/
https://arxiv.org/abs/1209.2114
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>>14108388
Interesting. On the same vein, what ever happened to the Event Horizon Telescope? Weren't they imagine SA* right before the pandemic hit? Did they just give up on trying to process the data?
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>>14108396
only delayed
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>>14108470
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SLS could actually be incredibly based with two simple and cost effective changes
>replace the SRBs with Raptor powered RTLS advanced boosters
>allow the core to refuel in LEO
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SLS is real*
*11 years later
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>>14107880
Its a Northrup Grumman sat to sat docking test. Its government.
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>>14108478
never gonna happen because of this one faggot senator whose name i wont mention
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>>14108478
three
>paint it white
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hmmm
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>Climate change
>New viruses
>the Poor are poorer
>the rich are richer

>yeah, let's use our brainpower, our time and our money to put a robot on Mars
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>>14108505
I agree, we should be putting people there instead
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>>14108505
An entire island nation might be gone anon. We have only spotty "no casualties" news so far. Do you not care about the plight of the Togan people?
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dude expanse lmao
dude space is filled with debris from endless wars
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>>14108511
lol no
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>14108505
based frogposter
gib muh gibs cracker
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>>14108511
No. I didn't even know they existed until today. Also apparently you don't care about them either seeing as you can't even address them correctly.
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>>14108518
the Expanse finale was a suitably mediocre ending to a mediocre show

and like the rest of the show, the only redeeming quality was the CGI battles
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>>14108505
>climate change
literally not happening
>new viruses
literally not happening, SARS-CoV-2 doesn't exist
>muh inequality
kys tankie
>>yeah, let's use our brainpower, our time and our money to put a COLONY on Mars
FTFY
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>>14108134
sheer winds
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>>14108505
>spend 50 times more on feeding niggers in Africa than was spent rebuilding Europe in WW2
>spend untold billions per year in subsidizing the Spic-Nig cycle of consumption and obesity
>can't afford to do literally anything else
>surely the problem is NASA
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>>14108042
>2026
Not very plausible
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>>14108231
yes easily
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>>14108227
pathetic
my grandmother has killed more people
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>>14108273
Boats, they're less red tape.
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>>14108329
more like hairy cunt
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>>14108490
NG=/=government.
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>>14108525
Are you trying to say they don't all wear togas as mandated by law?
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>>14108505
I agree. The resources would be better spent building autonomous hunter killer drones to deal with people like this crab bucket poster and the social parasites he claims to advocate for
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>>14108552
No, they do. But that's just coincidence and is unrelated to the similar-sounding name.
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>>14108047
Unironically a good song
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>>14108474
How many hundreds of millions do you think they spent on designing and building those extendable platforms to perfectly follow every curve of the orange rocket
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>>14108552
Well, they did.
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>>14108525
Nta but as a geologist I couldn't give less of a shit about cultures and civilizations that are destroyed by nature. If it happened in the middle of nowhere with zero casualties it would still be cool. Any deaths brought about by these events are just bonuses because liberals start freaking out, and more often than not find a way to do mental gymnastics to link it to climate change, and demand more funding that goes to geoscience research lol
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>>14108478
>SLS
>simple and cost effective
unironically impossible, it is designed to be as complex and expensive as can be justified by crying about space being hard.
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>>14108542
(She worked on SRBs at Thiokol)
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Staging
>>14108574
>>14108574
>>14108574
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>>14108562
I was just thinking that. They are custom fit for SLS and have probably been in development since at least 2011 and only recently got installed a few years ago after multi-millions of dollars and hundreds of jobs lol
Meanwhile spacex erects a tower using mexican labor in a matter of weeks. Also reminder that the SLS service tower was built from scratch and cost $2 billion
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>>14108564
kek
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You have been visited by the hunga tonga-hunga ha'apai volcano of shockwaves and uncertain death. 20 to 30 cm tsunamis will come to you unless you post "goodbye ocean man" in this thread
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>>14108587
take me by the hand and lead me to the land that you understand, ocean man
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>>14108539
The engine is already assembled and being tested apparently, and the rocket is small with only 500kg to 1t payload capacity, so it's possible.



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