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Ok be on your best behavior bros
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Mars should look like this
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Just thinkin' about the demigod war
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https://twitter.com/planet/status/1481790983155044352
/sfg/ needs a personal janny to cull the anti-anime gypsy
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>>14100155
whoops, wrong picture
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>>14100143
Reminder that the rocketgirl spam is a literal raid by Leftypol trannies.
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>>14100155
>rotating service structure
KEK the sci-fi guys really have no fucking imagination
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>>14100166
whoops, wrong picture
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>>14100155
I get that building materials will be limited but it always seems odd when these base designs have landing and launch pads so close to important facilities unrelated to launch.
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>>14100157
All of those connectors look like they've been scaled up from miniatures.
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is it possible to build a receiver to listen to communications in outer space? are they encrypted or open text?
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>>14100194
yes
different groups try and hack them and other abandoned sats
some big event just happened last week about it, you might be able to learn more from that
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>>14100194
Yes.
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>>14100177
The UK really has only had one astronaut (pic related). The rest have either been space tourists or Americans who happened to have dual US/UK citizenship and flew with the American flag on their arm.
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>>14100210
>ESA
Not anymore!
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>>14100202
>some big event just happened last week about it
that is just a glowfaggot ctf söyfest, no real satellites involved
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>>14100194
Yep, you can get video streams too. Search YouTube for instructions and a preview of what to expect.
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>>14100169
>crickets
Lmao troons btfo
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>>14100212
Are you referring to Brexit? Don't think that pulled the UK out of ESA.
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>>14100177
>>14100155
>>14100210
You guys ready for galactic Britain
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Didnt get to post due to image limit, but this is my fav from this artist. At least this one has decent proportions, and actually kinda cute desu
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>>14100230
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>>14100230
>rocket lab choker
hnnnnnng as an investor in $RKLB, i need this for my gf
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>>14100230
Ftfy
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>>14100230
/sfg/ OC of Neutron is better
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>>14100235
Kek
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>>14100245
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/71739996/artworks
you can find the higher fidelity png here anon
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>>14100245
She is indeed.
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>>14100245
Ftfy
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>>14100251
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>>14100251
I like the Prinz Eugen as well as the space art.
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little baby boy is sooo desperate for some (you)s.
aww will he start throwing a tantrum if we don't answer him?
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>>14100245
Agreed, but I like to give other artists attention and encouragement
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>>14100266
I LOVE the touhou ones
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Why is NASA so obsessed with safety?
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>>14100289
they don't wanna kill people. it's a reasonable goal.
safety is not their problem. the SLS is not a failure because it's safe. (it's not)
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>>14100289
Challenger and Columbia spooked them because they realized Congress would actively stymie efforts to make spacecraft safer if it hurt politically important suppliers.
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>>14100289
Building 4 expensive ass orbiters and having 2 of them explode did the trick
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>>14100304
>>14100302
But this is hindering progress, if you want to be safe just stay at home
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>>14100314
government bureaucracies never become more risk tolerant over time
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>>14100314
>But this is hindering progress, if you want to be safe just stay at home
this is a stupid ass strawman you create because you don't understand the actual reasons for nasa being slow and cucked.
safety is good, you can be very safe and make great progress
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>>14100298
Gotta keep the blood flowing buddy.
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>>14100298
Did he actually say something to this effect?
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>>14100349
Yes
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>>14100349
>>14100350
This kills the ameriprude.
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>>14100355
As an American I welcome this frank anecdotal data. We'll have to deal with 0G reproduction eventually.
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>>14100212
based retard
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Brazilbros, will she ever be a rocket? Will Brazil ever into space?
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>>14100375
that's hot. i love brazilian babes
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>Shelby told Bridenstine there would be no money for Artemis unless Crewed Orion flew on SLS to the Moon. Full stop.
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1481832827628969987
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https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/new-nasa-chief-scientist-katherine-calvin-interview-on-climate-plans.html
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Can we add gemini-like ejection seats to Starship?
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>>14100359
If he actually couldn't get a boner in space then it was most likely a mental issue rather than physical. Your blood pressure doesn't really change that much in 0g. Nothing a shot of horse viagra and cocaine couldn't cure I'm sure.
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>>14100439
nah do it b-58 style
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>>14100438
>Calvin’s will work to make the NASA’s climate data easier to find, so users don’t have to hop around to a bunch of different websites.
Nice, this is a problem with a lot of scientific data. Streamlining is a step in the right direction.
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>>14100439
I think you mean OG shuttle style
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>>14100435
I hate Shelby so much.
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>>14100450
Yeah something like this (instead of abort tower - how would that even work with 100 passengers?)
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>>14100456
it would have to be a LES the size of a shuttle SRB lol
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>>14100435
Can this old motherfucker please die of COVID or some shit already? He's nearly 90 and looks like he's in his mid 60s. I hate him so much
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>>14100456
Imagine 100 ejection seats firing at the same time circumferentially around starship.
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>>14100435
What the fuck I thought he was retiring, for fuck's sake just die already Dick.
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>>14100456
Two ways

>The entire window section ejects as a single massive escape capsule

or

>All the windows get blown off at once and 100 individual ejection seats fly out like a swarm of terrified bees
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Apparently Orion is just 25 tons, why are they using SLS which can lift 100 tons?
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>>14100467
Will this work if the final flip fails? imo that's the most dangerous part.
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Who fucking cares, if it doesn't work just die. Jesus.
You're gonna die anyway, stop worrying about it.
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>>14100472
Ostensibly, Orion and SLS are separate projects.

SLS is a multipurpose nationalized superheavy lift vehicle

Orion is a separately developed spacecraft that just happens to ride on SLS.
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>>14100456
>100 passengers
no need to worry about that
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>>14100289
expendable astronauts are expensive
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too lazy to go through it all, why did the last thread go over 1000 posts?
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>>14100481
Oh okay so that's was ASAP was talking about - lack of cohesion between various Artemis programs.
Offtopic - didn't realise artemis 1 was going to orbit the moon, thought it was just a free flyer.
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>>14100473
Cessnas don't have ejection seats and they're actually in the same order of magnitude of safety as modern spaceflight.
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>>14100491
Cessnas can land safely even with total engine failure.
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>>14100495
>Cessnas can land safely even with total engine failure.
doesn't contradict
>in the same order of magnitude of safety as modern spaceflight.
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>>14100497
>as modern spaceflight.
Which tries to include ejection seats? Due to potential engine failure?
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>>14100497
Okay I mean to say, starship landing is inherently more dangerous than capsule landing.
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>>14100490
Both really, it's an unmanned free return.
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>still kvetching about propulsive landing safety in 2022
retards
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>>14100518
Falcon 9 doesn't flip
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>>14100522
i hope god sees the plight of his children, and rightfully takes this crypto-jew to hell
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>>14100467
Or just make the nose section able to survive the crash SN8-style (except better)
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>>14100521
big gimbal scawy
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>>14100491
Light aircraft are FAR safer than spaceflight. The risk is actually pretty close to driving.
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>>14100489
Schizos and shitposting
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Never seen anything like this before - https://twitter.com/planet/status/1481790983155044352
Video from planet satellite
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>>14100553
Reminder that current gen spy satellites can do this but in like 4 different spectra and at 5-10x the resolution.
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>>14100559
I thought we needed longer exposures, I had no idea we could do videos
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>>14100553
Woah is that interpolated using an algorithm or something or is that pure video? Very weird. I guess in theory it isn't out of hand to think it could be video. I've seen plenty of high-zoom video from shuttle and ISS and stuff. And IR cameras can be pretty good these days. I just find it weird this is the first instance I've seen something like that

Is it IR or am I just an idiot and it's B&W?
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>>14100566
Nah, the earth is REAL BRIGHT. You'll certainly get better images with stills but that has more to do with post processing than actual light collection abilities.
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>>14100553
Welp I'm now convinced Kennen telescopes have definitely caught me naked outside taking a drunken piss in my backyard in 4K multiple times
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>>14100526
>if engines fail to work properly, use rcs to keep the stage upright
>properly designed tanks act as air cushions/crumple zones
>nose section is designed to be strong enough to remain sealed and survive the initial fireball and subsequent fire until the ground fire suppression system on the pad does its job
The whole thing sounds crazy, but the more I think about it, the more I believe it could actually work. Passengers are in for quite a ride, but can't be much worse than Soyuz capsule landing.
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>>14100573
It's pure video as far as I know. If I had to guess, the satellites normally operate in image collection mode like big drum scanners, where each line of pixels in the CCD collects data redundantly, and then it's all fed through an algorithm to clean up the data as much as possible. But if they want they can have the satellite pan to match its orbit (that's what the little jiggles in the video are, the reaction wheels moving to steady the image) and collect the data as a lower resolution video.
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>>14100581
You'd be dead either way. Besides SN11 (lol) we have yet to see a starship attempt a landing with zero engines being able to light up. You would be falling at terminal velocity—even with all the drag the belly produces that is still very very fast. Is it even capable of doing a flip with just engine gimbal and flaps and RCS? What if you have a really bad time and one of the flaps fails and none of the engines light up, would the RCS be enough? I think even if you flipped vertically the velocity would be too much to survive anyways. You're also shit out of luck if the booster blows up on the way up, or if one of your engines blows up on a relight and the whole ship succumbs to the explosion.
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>>14100466
>>14100459
>>14100453
He's not running again so he'll be gone after midterms
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>>14100594
I can't imagine having such a storied legacy of slowing progress in space as Richard (Depot) Shelby.
Preemptive S
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>>14100603
Hoping he gets denied a peaceful death from old age and somebody murders him instead.
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>>14100593
I was gonna rip you for saying that starship's terminal velocity was "very very fast" because I thought it was like 60mph at most but then I looked it up and it's like 300mph for a fucking empty test article. wtf.
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F
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>>14100607
*Tory Bruno reactivating his sniper sleeper agent by whispering the word "depots" in his ear*
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>>14100613
One of the most aesthetic rockets ever created. Wonder why they're already retiring it since Angara is a stillborn piece of shit that probably is going to cost more to launch than Proton.
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Based Casey is hiring
https://twitter.com/TerraformIndies/status/1481717309630652416
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>>14100612
To be fair I was completely guessing lmao. Is it 300mph while vertical maybe? My line of thinking was that, yes, it looks very slow when falling because of its big size, but those looks are probably deceiving and there’s no way you could survive in a free fall even with an armored crew cabin and as much drag as physically possible. You GOTTA kill off speed through gliding or parachutes or rockets. Earth is a gravity well
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>>14100621
Probably politics, geography, budgets, maybe all three. And shoutout to scott manley he put it way up there in his ugliest rockets video. The damn scotsman. It’s beautiful
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Why leave one gravity well just to enter another?
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>>14100627
Always nice to see something that gets away from just a smooth tube.
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>>14100627
I wouldn't mind the retirement if Russia had an actual successor developed and ready to go, but I doubt they'll make a practical and affordable heavy lift launch vehicle anytime soon.
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>>14100613
F

>>14100621
hybergoolics, foreign parts, and reliability problems
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>>14100622
Wonder how soon they'll start working on Martian ISRU prototypes.
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>>14100593
Some quick back of the napkin math says such a landing would pull up to some 25Gs which is not great but very much survivable with the right seating arrangement

>Is it even capable of doing a flip with just engine gimbal and flaps and RCS?
Make one that's capable if you're doing this at all

>What if
What if you're flying a plane and your engine blows up and shreds hydraulics and etc. etc. Design things so that none of that is critical, and in a tiny chance shit still happens well yes, you're fucked all right.
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>>14100621
Angara is real you’ve seen them doing orbital tests for a decade now. We have all the upper stages done, ready for a 20th flight test at Vostochny
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>>14100663
>25Gs
>survivable
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>>14100671
look up the forces of an f1 crash
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>>14100674
>>14100671
its reddit but sue me
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/p9q9au/f1s_largest_crashes_measured_by_gforce/
>David Purley (179.8G) - During practice for the 1977 British Grand Prix, Purley's throttle stuck open and crashed into a wall. Until 2003, this was the highest g-force survived by a human. He would recover from his injuries and return to racing.
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>>14100623
I remember the number 65 m/s for one of the test flights being mentioned somewhere
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>>14100671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8fgGiI1WA
also this guy survived over 200g
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>>14100671
That's about what fighter plane ejection seat pulls, so yeah
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>>14100674
>>14100678
I did, and I found it on reddit too. 179.8 G’s. DAMN. Talk about a headache.
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>>14100678
Anyone remember that actual crazy man who used himself as a guinea pig for testing the human limits of g-force tolerance? He had a rocket sled setup, don't remember his name though.
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>>14100169
Knew it
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> The powerful Protons will be used at Baikonur for another 4 years. They are being replaced by the even more powerful Angara A5M. Its first launch is scheduled for 2024 from the Vostochny cosmodrome. Compared to the now flying Angara A5, the M ka will receive more powerful engines, and something else.
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>>14100627
Personally i like it when its lit
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*bonk*
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>>14100622
>We’re based in the Pasadena area of Los Angeles, California.
>Work is in person on site, our facility is very well ventilated, and all our people (you included) are maximally vaccinated/boosted.
what a shame
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>>14100700
Yeah that came to my mind. John Stapp
> By June 8, 1951, a total of 74 human runs had been made on the decelerator, 19 with the subjects in the backward position, and 55 in the forward position. Stapp, one of the most frequent volunteers on the runs, sustained a fracture of his right wrist during the runs on two separate occasions, also broke ribs, lost fillings from his teeth and bleeding into his retinas that caused temporary vision loss; in one run he survived forces up to 38 g
Granted these runs were not instantaneous and happened over long(er) periods so they sucked just as bad as instantaneous 100+ G’s
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>>14100715
for what purpose would you torture yourself so?
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>>14100715
The takeaway seems to be that a properly designed Starship crew compartment could yield an extremely high engine-out landing survival rate, at least on a tail-first impact.
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>>14100729
we aren't wasting extra mass on g dampening seat/compartments, just die
-t elon
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>>14100727
To learn what humans can survive
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>>14100727
Early advanced aerospace age. Jets were just breaking the sound barrier, man was headed to space. The government wanted data on tolerances and expectations so they gathered it the good ol fashioned way
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>>14100727
Back when men where made of steel
Now?
>You can only open 2/4 dragon windows because of MMOD risk
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>>14100729
I conquer. I think the “100 persons” thing is just a meme and in reality there will be enough people to where a dedicated launch/landing room could be made a bit more hardened without eating into the mass budget too much.
Still won’t do squat if something goes wrong on the launchpad or on the way up to space though lol
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>>14100435
where the money lebowski?
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>>14100739
Based military leader
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>>14100435
There will be balance one day, divine justice will bring about a great integer overflow on Artemis I, checkem
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>>14100752
It’s over SLS will perform too well and be extended to Artemis 30 now
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>>14100727
Masochism
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>>14100435
All this tells me is NASA needs to pretend to need SLS just long enough to fund HLS and then BOOM switch over to Starship and SLS/Orion is finished
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>>14100759
Or just ask your politicians to be reasonable for the greatest good
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>>14100472
SLS Block I can lift 95 tons only to LEO; it's 25-30 tons to TLI.
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>>14100806
Orion is 33.5 T though
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>>14100817
Oh wait it sheds the fairing coverings and LES and weighs less for TLI. It goes down to 25T. Damn does the tower really weigh 8.5 tons??
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>>14100194
Yes. Some dude tuned in to the Falcon 9 telemetry downlink signal. Then all the HAM radio autists sunk loads of money in equipment to do the same and then SpaceX encrypted their signals lmao.

>https://www.rtl-sdr.com/receiving-space-x-falcon-9-telemetry-with-a-hackrf-and-1-2m-satellite-dish/
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>>14100827
Can I listen to jwst
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>>14100827
This was so cool, there was a period of time where people were able to crack the signal with brute force and get video images from the engineering cams inside the fuel tanks
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>The idea seemed simple enough : take a shuttle solid rocket booster and just put a upper stage on top of it.
What happened to Mike Griffin? He seems based but Ares 1 was embarrassing
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>>14100827
i vaguely remember the HAM radio guys seething hard, arguing it was somehow their god given right to intercept those signals. i dont remember exactly, but they were absolutely unhinged after spacex began encrypting
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>>14100806
Oh yeah
Starship refuelling has damaged my mind, as I now think payload to Leo = payload to anywhere else
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Finally caught up. You guys really know how to wrap up a thread, good God. I don't even wanna know.
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>>14100827
>>14100843

It was kinda funny that a bunch of guys invested in hardware for launch telemetry and then they immediately encrypted it, but on the upside it did help spawn a whole new generation of spysat radio tracking/cataloging guys since they suddenly had a bunch of new hardware and nothing to do with it.
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>>14100835
Area I was fine and based and everything bad said against it is just a misinformation campaign by reddit SLS shills to justify why their new and improved ares v has to exist in the modern day
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I love 4chan's hide feature
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>>14100856
huh i didnt even notice those shockwaves before, actually really cool. would love to see more unique effects used in these
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>>14100869
I've never posted this before. I saved it two threads ago. It's fairly new OC, and wasn't even posted in the last thread
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>The LEU Nuclear Flight Demonstraion Vehicle proposed by Aerojet Rocketdyne
>2000 km safe starting orbit, 20 tons with 55kN thrust, 900s Isp for about 243 MW reactor power. The operational stage would be scaled up to 8.4m and 31 tons and launched on SLS Block 2.
https://twitter.com/ToughSf/status/1481611990523129863

Unironically the one area where SLS would have an advantage over Starship due to Musk not wanting to deal with the governments bullshit for nuclear power.
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>>14100739
>100 persons
Idk guys but my gut tells me there won't be more than 20-30 people in a single starship for a mars trip
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>>14100939
Eh I don't really care about mars, I just want orbital cities
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>>14100435
>Full stop.
Why do these fags talk like this?
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>>14100988
Holdover from when we wuz kangz n shiet
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>>14100709
Casey is a dumb shitlib whose preferred policies doom the state he's set up shop in
>This thread about California's water problems was sent to me by an account who wishes to remain low profile. Everything after is me quoting him
>"It's much worse (re infrastructure), and so much of the impending disaster conditions are downstream of this green energy madness...The majority of the state population depends on water run from the northern and central state Sierra Nevada snow melt - this water passes through gravity fed canals (State Water Project) most of the way (from Sacramento to San Diego, roughly speaking)-but needs to clear the Tehachapi mountains, south of Bakersfield. It's an enormous hydraulic lift, and is mostly powered via Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant (which they are planning to shutter 2024). Right now, this water supplies up to 70% of the drinking water for 28 million people, and the plan for replacing it is a bit fuzzy - theres no new nuclear happening, and gas and coal are out - -without power to pump it over the mountains, things are going to get scarce and or expensive (probably both).
https://twitter.com/MogTheUrbanite/status/1481324020117164035
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just found out the Triamese shuttle had a chunky escape capsule
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>>14100856
Drawing is great, if you took out the anime girls your drawings would actually be liked here
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>Starship ejection seat deployment, following total engine failure during bellyflop, 2035, Starbase TX
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What if we make Starship so reliable that it won't even need an abort option?
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>>14101217
But it's not Starship.
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>>14100143
Isnt Alaska bad for space? Isn't the equator the best place to launch rockets?
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>>14100225
Never gonna happen. UK 2100=Portugal 2100.
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>>14101232
You mean to make Titanic in space?
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>>14101245
Not if you want orbits like SSO
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Why did Blue Origin fail?
Lack of a hardware rich program?
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>>14101246
So a massive empire?
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>>14100169
Literal schizophrenia. You also said that one krystal thread was a /leftpol/ raid as well.
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Was anything exciting on transporter3?
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>>14101298
>ohnoivebeenfoundout.jpg
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>>14101304
You're just a fucking nigger trying to grab at anything to give yourself some legitimacy. Like piggybacking on /leftypol/ raiding 4chan to say that everything you don't like is part of their raid. Whatever subhuman filth birthed you WILL be completely glassed and will not bring its infection with man.
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>>14101298
sneed & dilate
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>>14101296
No. The UK will become less relevant than ever. As much as Portugal. Likely it will break in several states like Scotland, Cumbria, etc. Londoners will cope and say they are better this way saving so much money not having to take care of so many people.
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>>14101308
Your point?
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>>14101308
ok that is pretty funny
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>>14101307
Anime anthromorphism is a direct tactic used by leftist troons to normalize their fetishes. You are at the very least a crossdresser and you are from leftypol
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>>14101312
The point is that trannies will never be successful at becoming the opposite sex and should kill themselves
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>>14101298
Just hide his posts you idiot
Stop engaging him
Holy fucking shit you are dumber than he is
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>>14101349
Are there 2 of you manfaced troons?
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>ywn grow Tharsis kush
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>>14101339
Anime anthropomorphization has been around longer than you've been alive. Some of them latch onto anime because they recognize the idealized attractiveness in them and fantasize about being like that to distract themselves from reality. Some are just doing it because anime is popular. But trannies also take interest in many other things, like rockets. There's plenty of trannies into rockets. It's not something that has deep meaning, it's just something that happens.
>>14101345
Yes.
>>14101349
It's not just a one guy thing anymore, unfortunately. Through enough spamming he's managed to actually convince other newfags that his way is the true way.
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What do you wish happens when SLS launches?
I wish for fireworks.
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>>14101375
I wish it goes haywire and crushes into the House of Congress, killing everyone inside
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>>14101286
lack of engines
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>>14101349
>Stop engaging him
propagating off-topic crap to complain about it just increases the general shit level, stop replying to bait, people
it's hard to get these morons to just hide and ignore
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>>14101388
Tory is such a faggot for letting this happen while he LARPs as John Wayne
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I'm too lazy to google this, can one of you space nerds just tell me when i can expect to see pretty pictures from webb?
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>>14101416
Now he's complaining that SpaceX gets outside investment
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>>14101426
Space doesn't exist
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>>14101286
a lot of it was that gay motto
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>>14101446
Based Parmenidean poster
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>>14100375
No. The VLS was a failure, the VLM will never work, and we really only have Virgin Orbit to make up for it. The startups are literal scams, the only trustworthy is Loureda's, and they do not have the money to make it work.
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>>14101426
"Pretty" might be never, only with those horribly faked color images. Actual images should appear in about ~6 months, as soon as commissioning is done, and they want to release something.
There is also an embargo period that the astroonomers will have exclusive rights to the images, so they can publish, so expect it to take quite a while.
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>>14101513
Fuck now i can't kill myself for the next 6 months because i want to see them before i die.
Thanks nasa.
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>>14100225
More ready than they are
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>>14101513
lmao that the terminally bored and boring soience fiction space escapists are already bored of jwst and daydreaming of future space telescopes that will also become unsatisfyingly too small the moment they're deployed
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>>14101528
That's how the human mind works

ISS is boring and gay and so will be the Gateway the day it's deployed, but I remain hyped (for now)
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>>14100631
Because, as far as we know, humans need gravity or something like it. Also, if you’re a matter fetishist, that’s where the matter is.
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>>14101528
Luvoir isn't happening anon. The decadal already killed it. We're looking to what could've been.
>.t bitterly remembers the SSC
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TUBES
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Hello, someone please fill me in, why did your last general got so many replies? Not even /sp/ footie shitflinging gets so many posts unless it's a *big match*
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>>14101596
launch
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>>14101603
It was mostly a shitposting spree.
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>>14101596
Some people got triggered. I don't know why.
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>>14101596
You should come here during the busy periods when SpaceX is flying Starship prototypes, or even better back when the HLS announcement was made.
>1200+ reply threads several times a day for weeks on end
Truly, a golden age.
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>>14101596
image spamming autists went overboard, so the image limit was hit
mods don't like us starting a new thread before we hit page 10, so shitposters went full retard
some of the retards might have even thought it would somehow make the thread sink faster (it doesn't, after bump limit only new threads matter)
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https://twitter.com/HazardHarringto/status/1481797871389351936
is it really that bad over there americabros?
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>>14101673
images on an image board im shocked
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>>14101172
This thing is awesome lol
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>>14101441
Proof?
Lol Tory gets government rocket schematics and doesn't even have to build the engines
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>>14101699
>>>/pol/
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>>14101738
reddit.com/u/torybruno
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>>14101699
off topic but lol still funny if it isn't larp
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>>14101749
plenty of other tech workers in the thread backed up most of the claims
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>>14101716
>hydrolox
I have fallen out of love with it
http://www.astronautix.com/s/shuttlefr-3.html
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>>14101759
Future Hint: if it's a big ol' rocket and the design hails from ~1973-2018—and ESPECIALLY if it has huge tanks and a mysteriously tiny ass crew compartment—it's probably a hydrolox proposal
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>>14101745
This is very fascinating. Bruno is such an interesting guy
>One of the reasons we opted for a non-propulsive recovery type of reuse (SMART), is because we expect the upfront NRE to be a mere fraction of what this journey has required of them. This means that the investment should be easier and faster to recover, thus reaching economic sustainability sooner, although with a more modest yield of 2/3s, vs 100%, of the booster.
>So, yes, we do look at this differently because our situation is different. We are not trying to path find a vertical landing and takeoff from Mars, so our choices do not consider that and are made purely on the economics. Nor, do we have billions of dollars per year coming in from external investors. We pay for our development investments out of the profits earned by on going operations.
>Big picture. Neither approach is necessarily wrong. They are simply different, reflecting the differentiation of our offerings in the marketplace. That's a good thing. Healthy competition seeks differentiated offerings, not identical offerings that eventually, unavoidably, devolve into a one size fits nobody, race to the price floor, with ever diminishing investment and innovation.
Obviously he needs to shill for ULA, as he is the CEO lol. But he is very active on reddit and will openly speculate on spacex way more than he does on twitter. He just adds his speculative twist for his company's favor, self-admitting that they are way more niche in terms of what they do. It will be interesting to hear his thoughts after he is outed as CEO one day, and can speak more freely. I imagine if Michael Gass were still CEO he would be openly crying and seething rn
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>>14101775
See, I thought the Triamese had the 2 booster craft running kerolox for throoost but its ALL hydrolox which seems crazy
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>>14101699
Yes? Have you been under a rock the past few years?
>>14101749
It's not exactly a very outlandish claim, unfortunately.
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>>14101775
>95% fuel tank by volume
>5% crew module
i know this is hydrolox and as such it has problems with tankage but holy shit i hate chemical rocketry
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>>14101797
>It's not exactly a very outlandish claim, unfortunately.
i wonder if that's fucking up boeing or spacex
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>>14101799
>i wonder if that's fucking up boeing or spacex
Elon had a tweet recently about this topic. It was either his own or a reply.
>"Big-tech is where talent goes to die."
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>>14101798
Yeah it sucks lol. Hydrogen is certainly the most "efficient" of all fuels, but imagine if the lockmart lander switched to methane. You only take a tiny hit in efficiency for WAY more crew volume. And seeing how this lander isn't trying some crazy ass injection to Europa or something and just needs to get to Mars, you can afford that hit. Of course this comes with the problem that the RL-10 is the basis for the whole thing, and that is a hydrogen engine. There WAS an experimental methane RL-10 some years ago though, and lockmart is fixing to own aerojet soon so maybe they could revive that idea
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>BFR is now thin stainless steel panels held together with 1/4" square tubestock, assembled in out in the open
DELIGHTFULLY COUNTERINTUITIVE
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>>14101799
Probably neither. If you lurk on the boeing! subreddit you'll notice all of the complaints are about the company being stock-driven, with people complaining about useless meetings on how to keep stock prices up even if they are just a programmer or something lol. I imagine boeing might be pozzed in that they have safe spaces or some other dumb shit in their buildings, but they aren't a silicon valley company. As for spacex, well if the CEO tweets stuff like "pronouns suck" then I doubt they have that cultural problem kek
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>>14101806
Kek I like to imagine he was deep into his bottle of teslaquila and just wanted to see john carmack
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>>14101820
>then I doubt they have that cultural problem kek
I have a feeling that many sx employees no longer like Elon
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>>14101829
doubt that
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>>14101829
This
Elon doesn't hand pick them anymore
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>>14101793
tl;dr:
>We don't have any outer space ambitions, we just make what we think NASA and satellite customers will want.
>>14101815
The worst part of hydrolox is keeping that shit liquid takes so much mass in insulation and probably active cooling too, that you lose all the advantage of "muh Isp" in the dry mass you have to add.
Kerolox works well for expendables, but leaves soot and shit behind that has to be cleaned every launch for reusables.
Methalox has the advantage of (iirc) better Isp than kerolox, yet doesn't need to be kept so insanely cold that you can still use the rocket walls as your tanks. And it burns clean, straight to CO2 and H2O, so no sooting.
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>>14101848
I want to know more about this methane RL-10, I don't think they released any public data about it though
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>>14101848
>Kerolox works well for expendables, but leaves soot and shit behind that has to be cleaned every launch for reusables.
Markusic really doesn't think so. He say the tap-off cycle allows their turbines to not get sooty.
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>>14101853
There is a pdf from NASA but for some reason my computer is having a hard time opening it, despite a reasonable file size. Weird. I did find this though
>The RL10 has actually been run on a very wide variety of things. For
fuels, hydrogen, methane, and propane have all been used; for oxidizers,
they've fired it on LOX, liquid fluorine, and FLOX (LOX/fluorine mixture).
Mixture ratio has been varied extremely widely, including successful tests
running severely oxidizer-rich. And it's been throttled down to 1%. An
amazingly tolerant engine
https://yarchive.net/space/rocket/rl10.html
wtf is this? Email conversations from 1995-2000... who consolidated these?
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>>14101864
>liquid fluorine, and FLOX (LOX/fluorine mixture).
Wtf i thought that stuff was just a meme
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>>14101864
>AR has probably fired a propaflox RL-10
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Kek these boomers were arguing about the DC-X all the way back in 1995. Cyberspace has always been the battlefield of rocket autism, it seems
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>>14101858
Then something is causing the carbons to stick together, because soot is an accumulation of carbon, and methane only has a single carbon atom to begin with. Kerosene is typically in the C9 to C16 range, so it's got a lot of carbon that needs to be broken down to *not* get soot.
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>>14101847
In a few years we are going to get a book about how elon isnt really involved in spacex and Shotwell is the true hero (even though that too may be inaccurate).
I think SpaceX middle managers deserve a lot of credit.
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>>14101888
yeah the way they break it down is intense heat by tapping off from the combustion chamber.
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>>14101870
https://youtu.be/ldoT2mHubGE
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>>14101883
Haha we'll be the boomers when mars colony trips start
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>>14101883
let me take you back to 1992 for vintage space nerd video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEkdyh656wo
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>>14101883
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Spencer
Quite the resume
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Where do I learn about modern life support systems for space?
Is the one on ISS still the best?
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>>14101864
>FLOX
wtf
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>>14101896
Oh wait, you said "for the turbines to NOT get sooty", I thought you were saying that methalox made soot, not that kerolox didn't.
Still, those Merlin engines do need some cleaning, and missing that caused at least one re-entry failure.
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>>14101927
I think they just swap the engines between Falcon flights
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>>14101927
>Still, those Merlin engines do need some cleaning, and missing that caused at least one re-entry failure.
right because merlins don't use tapoff.
just saying that the whole 'kerolox hinders reusability' thing might be proven wrong
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>>14101947
Spain conquer new world
Now they conquer spatial
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>>14101941
The downside of kerolox is when you need ISRU, which really only works for hydrogen and methane.
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>>14101947
>>14101950
This is what happens when Canada's main contribution to space is a fucking arm.
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>>14101955
citation needed
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>>14101962
>hating on Leafs
Don't ever talk to me or my Remote Manipulator System ever again
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>>14101962
More than most countries.
Even Mexico can now brag about all those boca chica welders...
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>>14101815

Does anyone have the ratio for Propane/Lox?

I've looked everywhere but can't find it.
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>>14100613

>that catastrophic failure in 2013 caused by the builders installing the angular velocity sensors upside down
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>>14101815
Are these volumetric ratios?
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How many Falcon Heavy launches do you think we'll see this year? I'm betting on 3 being most likely.
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Fuck the "Earth First" movement.
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>>14102028
based stoichiometric ratio burner
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>>14100197
very nice
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>>14102055
Deep sea exploration is pretty cool, this "space vs. ocean" false dichotomy is just a way to get people to bicker amongst themselves. We can fund both. Study of extremophiles on earth is important for astrobiology. Building equipement that can survive extreme environments is good for ocean exploration. There's no reason we should fight.
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>>14101759
You want them to use kerolox or what?
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>>14101907
DEPOT
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>>14102083
Well something other than hydrolox for the initial boost. No all-hydrolox system has ever made orbit
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Looks suspiciously like the new glenn upper stage engines
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>>14101372
No, the reason people are starting to agree with the schizo is that unless he was falseflagging too, people with the same ideals as you chose spam the weirdo with your rocket girl moeshittery instead of just ignoring him. And honestly, I've always just found the whole rocket girl thing dumb myself. It's one thing to anthropomorphize it, but then the idea of turning rockets into some boring slice of life anime instead of a CHADnime where they beat the shit out of each other came up and I just had to intervene. I remember that one time when KSPposting got banned and deleted for being off topic, but the retarded posts of "DURR STARSHIP AND SUPERHEAVY AS MOMMY WAIFUS AAAAAAA" somehow stayed.
Also I'm the guy who once came up with that starship train idea with the ISS-type trusses and what not, so I'm definitely no newfag.
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>>14102115
Yeah except one of these is a stupid meme that would require absolutely atrocious maintenance and fabrication techniques that we aren't sure would even work even if billions of dollars were thrown at it in a last-ditch effort to get it into space
the other looks like a cool depot idea we should try though
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>>14102071
I agree to a point, I wanna explore the ocean too, but I just hate how earthers insist we should cram every cubic meter with people before actually living on another world is considered.
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>>14102125
based
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>>14102132
Worse they believe having kids is selfish and that we should just mitigate our own population with birth control to help sustain our limited resources for the rest of time
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>>14102125
>And honestly, I've always just found the whole rocket girl thing dumb myself.
So have I.
And spamming to antagonize him definitely wasn't a good idea, but he needs death.
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>>14102140
>believe having kids is selfish
Just redditors right? Never seen in real life
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The guy from Rocketlabs seems so fake. Like a guy who would play a CEO in a young adult movie. Elon is personified autism, that's why he managed do get something done. This guy? He's just an actor
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>>14102132
Yeah, I just think it's important to keep in mind that the whole ocean exploration shit is a smokescreen thought up by people who are only slightly more intelligent but way more malicious than the average retard. "We shouldn't explore space because we haven't explored much of the ocean" is a nonsense statement. It means nothing. The universe is filled with things that we don't understand, we should learn about those things. Any extraterrestrial life that we study in the next hundred years, or maybe more, is going to be some kind of extremophile. There is no planet we can get to that could sustain some kind of mammalian-approximate life. The best place to study extremophiles now is the ocean. Ocean exploration and space exploration are linked, and should get along. The people you should watch out for are the people who don't understand why we should be doing any kind of exploration at all. The "return to monke" idiots who just want to fuck, eat, and then die.
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>>14102150
go back to rebbit.
if you can't tell an engineer by hearing him talk about rockets you don't belong here.
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>>14102156
What do people mean by Ocean is not explored? We don't know the depth at every point?
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>>14102150
ok, schizo
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>>14102163
Honestly the was Elon talks (vague and too many tangents) makes me think he doesn't really know the details.
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>>14102169
Schizos can see right through some optical illusions
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>>14102167
It's mostly bullshit, but it's relatively trivial to discover new species in the ocean, and from time to time we discover entirely new ecosystems. "The ocean is only 5% explored" is basically a made up number, but there are many areas of the ocean that we know little about. As an example, we know quite a bit about Proxima Centauri but we wouldn't really say it's "explored"
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>>14102125
You dbs shitposters are even here?
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What would Martian surface and orbital anti-spaceship weaponry look like, and how would it function? Would it be projectile-based?
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>>14102125
DBZ is for 10 year olds.
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>>14101339
People in 4chan always posted anime and anime related things you mouth breathing jew
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>>14102218
Then why do blacks love it?
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Meco headlines show just
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>>14102235
They are all 10 years old. I thought it was hispanics who were crazy for dbz though, like it was insanely popular in Brazil or something.
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>>14102250
Just dropped
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>>14102251
Over here its blacks. They love it. One of my former buddies who is black and I think a G as in he used to do some crazy shit. Would watch DBZ all the time when we smoked. Wonder if he is a still alive.
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I thought hues were nuts for Saint Seiya
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>>14100177
How hard to make HTP on Mars? Easier/harder than methane?
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>>14100197
It is pretty cool that this is actually working. Wonder if they'll go for a bigger LV in time or multiple launches on the same flight?

Intuitively it makes sense that for ultra flexibility it might find a niche that nobody else can match right now
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>>14102309
Boeing bros... it's time.
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>>14101947
Those are some meaty flaps
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>wont get to see rally races on Mars
>wont get to see the beatiful blue sunset on Mars
>wont get to stand and admire the desolate landscapes of Mars
why even live
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>>14102339
shut up doomernigger, immortality is just around the corner, don't you know? The muskrat will succeed, and you will have your Tesla sexbots.
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LOL. lmao. (rofl)
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>>14101308
so this raid began in.. november? except you've been seething about imaginary trannies since what, July? fuck off already
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>>14102358
Why does he type like this? Is he froothing at the mouth or what? Are his veins about to burst out of anger? Sadness? copium overdose? i just don't get it..
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>>14102358
Jesus Christ
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>>14102359
dude fakes shit all the time and it’s retardedly easy to fake leftypol threads. I’ve seen people fake these screens to “prove” that leftypol was trying to infiltrate very niche wargamming threads to turn people trans. just ignore and move on, he does this kind of thing a lot. romania is boring i guess
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>>14102358
Atlasbros we keep winning
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>>14099594
The real version.
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The tide is turning at NASA.
https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1481692647962071042
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>>14102309
Their first investor presentation included a LauncherTwo mounted on top of the plane kinda like the Shuttle did.
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>>14102369
She just seems to be a hyper boomer. You ever gotten a text from a high energy person who didn’t grow up with texting? it’s annoying AF though especially since there’s actually interesting information buried in her rambling
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>>14102378
It's not easy in rocketry bros and
Space is hard bros
Where are you?
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>>14102382
Her daughter works on Orion life support or something, she posts a lot of inside info.
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>>14102294
Harder. It requires palladium and quinone catalysts. Mars colonization would eventually require HTP production, but more for chemical industry than rocket fuel.
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>>14100225
I'm thinking of starting a launch company in the UK. Got some ideas of how to structure the thing to bootstrap it. First job would be building a drone ship to allow testing at sea, which would get round all kinds of on shore restrictions. I have some ideas for how to commercialise the drone tech to raise funds. Looking for a co founder.
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>>14102378
space is(n’t) hard
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>>14102378
fake and gay
Space is hard, period
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>>14102381
Kewl!
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>>14102403
>launch company
>in 2021
There are already many people ahead of you. It's not at the stage where it's a commodity business like a trucking company either. Right now your best bet is to go into something launch-adjacent.
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>>14102403
Move literally anywhere else. A “big investment” on launch capabilities from the UK government translates to, like, 5 million pounds. They simply aren’t serious about it and never will be. Galactic britain was a desperate political maneuver from Boris.
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>>14102125
more complaining about imaginary spam, can you please kill yourself?
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>>14102403
you'll be fine as long as it survives the smallsat Launcher bubble collapse that comes, if you survive that then your company is guaranteed (as long as you don't fuck up) to become an actual space-trucking company with enough ambition
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>>14100205
What am I looking at here? Is this spacex video stream data recovered on the air by someone while they were not streaming it online?
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>>14102423
Yes.
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>>14100456
Just do what the army was planning to do with their E2E hopper and recover the pilots only.
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>>14102423
>>14102435
Although they probably were streaming at the time because the Starlinks are still on top.
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>>14102403
>I'm thinking of starting a launch company in the UK.
I'm sure the British government will suddenly start valuing their domestic aerospace industry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_aircraft_manufacturers_of_the_United_Kingdom
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>>14102414
>Right now your best bet is to go into something launch-adjacent.
That's exactly what I described in my post! Don't build the rocket (at first), build related tech and sell that, thereby generating a toolkit of tech to build a rocket. I would also argue though that any company that could offer a viable domestically designed and built British launch capability would - once the MoD and armed forces wake the fuck up, which does show signs of happening - be of serious, serious interest to the government of the UK.
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>>14102445
dont build ze rocket
build ze engines
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>>14101541
>or something like it
I hear it's a good trick. They call it "spinning".
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>>14102419
>>14102374
what motivates one person to type out such a waste of words on a swahaili mud weaving forum?
only option is to ignore will move on like shuttlefag
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>>14102442
There's plenty of small companies doing good business in defence etc R&D - in fact the MoD have caught on to the fact that smaller companies offer far better value than big integrators etc, and are explicitly excluding big companies from funding. My idea comes partly from experience in my current job. It's not bonkers
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>>14102463
Tell me about how you would commercialize an autononous drone barge without a rocket.
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>>14102461
for the most part i've done just that. hasn't done me any good yet. the jannies have abandoned us.
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>>14102461
he’s honestly a lot less annoying then when he surfaced last summer. yeah it’s shit but it’s manageable shit
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>>14102474
nah you can almost always get his posts deleted when he's seething hard. just report all of them for off-topic
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>>14102417
There's plenty I can do here - I can always open a facility abroad if necessary. I see the barriers in the UK as just another challenge to be worked around with technology. To be honest I think finding good ideas and commercialising them will be far harder than dealing with UK legislation etc
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https://akaerospace.com/spaceports/
https://akaerospace.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/INTEGRATED-RANGE-SCHEDULE-2.pdf
This is kinda cool. Kodiak has launch windows posted to their websites, but they don't say what they're for. There are two windows: P135 in late February and P133 in early March. P133 was NET January 31 on a calendar from last month (linked below), so that's probably ABL since they filed for that date with the FCC. P135 is presumably an unannounced Astra launch. Anyone familiar with this?
https://akaerospace.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/INTEGRATED-RANGE-SCHEDULE_REV-02.pdf
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>>14101917
Probably FLOX + some fuel, not just FLOX lol
http://www.astronautix.com/f/floxkerosene.html
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>>14101867
Estronaut just did a video on Russian rockets, they did some full proper Fluorine engines.
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>>14102422
>you'll be fine as long as it survives the smallsat Launcher bubble collapse that comes, if you survive that then your company is guaranteed (as long as you don't fuck up) to become an actual space-trucking company with enough ambition
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think it's ridiculous to think that there won't be opportunities for suppliers etc to rocket builders. Imagine if my company has a fully off the shelf solution for heat shielding say. Plenty of companies aren't going to want to build everything themselves
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>>14101911
>>14101883
Amazing that you can just go look up some boomer's space shitposting history by their real name.
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>>14102095
NIGGER
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>>14102468
Build the tech for marine drone operations, including fluid transfer etc.
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>>14102378
It wasn't hard in the 60s either? We knew all the math. We had the ability to make the tech with brute force. The bottleneck was, and still is, money. Fucking around in LEO for 60 years has certainly taught us stuff but nothing we didn't know already. We could have had a continual presence on the Moon from 69' to 2022 onward had the money been there
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>>14100825
Not quite that much but towers are seriously heavy, that's why starliner and dragon ditched them
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>>14102518
The bottleneck is no longer money. Or rather it is, but artificially.
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>>14101947
>la ala
>covered in tiles
oh no no no no it's over starship bros we shuttle now
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>>14102527
Yeah
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>>14101446
Then what's above our heads?
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>>14102538
the dome
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>>14102542
And what's above that?
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>>14102527
Which is worse
and pathetic!
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>>14102538
A sword
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>>14102548
And above that?
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>>14102544
heaven
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>>14102445
That's... a bit too adjacent, I would say. Everyone's following Elon's example and going for vertical integration. I mean selling either something that gets launched, something that the people who build something that gets launched need, or something that rocket companies don't want to do in house.
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>>14102554
Your mother
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>>14101947
el ala *
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>>14101899
spacetime will correct that. only those who stay on earth will turn into boomers.
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>>14101899
not if i accelerate to 0.99999c to stay young forever
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>>14102570
*el flapperino, unless you're admitting that >>14102528 is correct
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>>14102554
comicbook motion-lines as it swings downwards
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>>14102574
anon...you still only experience the same 80ish years...
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>>14102582
Nta but moving at .99999c would be insane, even if you only traveled that fast for a few seconds the world would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay older by the time you slowed down
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>>14102564
>something that the people who build something that gets launched need, or something that rocket companies don't want to do in house.
Pretty much what I'm talking about even if I didn't communicate it well. Though the hostile environment in the UK actually creates an opportunity in itself - a viable way around the legal barriers etc is something that can be commercialised, hence my interest in offshore operations. A leaky HTP or LOX tanker at sea really isn't that big a deal until it gets pretty big.
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>>14102598
Time traveling into the distant future has fascinated me ever since I read The Time Machine as a kid. No matter what you found there, it'd be interesting to say the least.
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>>14102646
What if it was literally nothing.
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hax
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>>14102663
What, like you step out of the time machine and the whole planet is just dead like Arizona? I guess get back in and go forward some more, see if it changes.
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>>14102295
>>14102297
>chinese DC-X clone with wings

lel
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>>14102675
what the fuck
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THE CHAD:

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the virgin:
United States
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https://twitter.com/BWXT/status/1480592843341279235?cxt=HHwWhsC9xZbWj4wpAAAA
ids finally habbening
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>>14102727
Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>14102727
Reed alert, we're going NUCLEAR
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>>14102727
>they only do this 50 years late when someone else finally shows what the tech they've been using should be capable of by now
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>>14102774
same with hypersonics

I hate it so much, we were advancing then its like we stopped on all fronts till now Russia and China started approaching or even surpassing where we stopped
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kek the thunderfag coping from 2018 sfg really is a sight to behold
>landing the falcon 9 isn't even hard
>nasa would have easily done it if they thought it was cost-effective
>all the probe landings are much harder than falcon 9 landings
>starship will never land on mars
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>>14102727
https://youtu.be/INbgG9M0WYE
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>>14102727
WE GAAAAN
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>>14102646
He did nothing wrong
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>>14102782
As always, I wouldn't know a thing about this fag if you didn't keep posting about him.
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>>14102782
Hopefully everyone keeps archives so that assblasted brainlet can be ridiculed endlessly when Starship actually lands. That way, he can't just move the goalposts.
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>>14102808
lol
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>>14102829
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>>14102840
pls delet dis
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>>14102864
>it's just a baseduz with wings
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>>14102829
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO AND I'M ALWAYS IN THE DARK
WE'RE LIVING IN A POWDER KEG AND GIVING OFF SPARKS
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>>14102880
soyuz
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https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1482060366834249730
Hullo-Estro NTR collab video incoming
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>>14102892
Sweet, won't be watching
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>>14102714
the truth
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>>14102892
Scott is a slave of big tech. He has no time to do anything other than improv videos.
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>>14102892
who?
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>>14102892
>caring about what content ecelebs put out
Gonna throw more money to their patreons?
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>>14102892
Estrogen will bang Hullo's wife while he masturbates in the corner
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>>14102899
>>14102906
>>14102925
>>14102926
/sfg/ is le dead
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>>14102892
>what can replace SLS
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>>14102928
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>>14102928
Hullo's videos have gotten boring and he used to be accessible on twitter but now he'll only answer your questions if you're a patreon and you're LUCKY to be chosen by him, if he isn't too busy complaining about the skin color of astronauts aboard dragon
estronaut is a cringe tryhard who takes 6 months to make a 2 hour long video, but when it comes time to do live interviews he proves he doesn't know a thing about rocketry committed to memory if it isn't in a prewritten script
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>>14102930
oh look it's the space shuttle
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>>14102930
Why replace when we can revert to a better build
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>>14102727
Seethe musktards! Nuclear is the only way to get to mars and back safely
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>>14102953
>refuses to elaborate
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>35 days to Pluto and back to Earth at constant 1g Brachistocrone acceleration

muh

How far away are we from true torch ships like this, is DFD the closest thing to it?
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>>14102950
its happening
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>>14102960
Hell I'd take 0.01g as well really
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>>14102960
>How far away are we from true torch ships like this
one isaac newton
>is DFD the closest thing to it?
direct fusion yes, DFD as the concrete design uncertain
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>>14102968
But fusion basically then, hopefully we get some cool fusion engines, whether DFD or whatever, even 0.01g travel is enough really, 11 months to Pluto and back would be insane
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>>14102409
>Space is hard, period
Not even half as hard as my dick so your mom could be a rocket scientist.
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>>14102953
NTR is garbage in all forms
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>>14102880
Last redesign was less blatant, but I can't find any image of its service module.
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>>14102960
i'll take 0.01g to Mars minimum, means an actual Interplanetary transport system can be established between Earth and Mars, kinda like how in the colonial age ships would take two to one month to transport goods between the old and new world
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>>14102978
Guess what idiot? Nasa is smarter than you.
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>>14102978
prove it with numbers and show you aren't just parroting what other retards have said
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>>14102983
ships still regularly take that long to go between continents.
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>>14102983
Cargo ship fleets traveling to Mars and Earth delivering/retrieving good/cargo/people every month

Would be so kino godamn it we need fusion drives NOW
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>>14102992
good to know, achieving constant 0.01g acceleration for the inner solar system means the argument for "space doesn't hold economic value" gets heavily discredited as mass-shipment of goods between Earth/Mars/Moon and maybe a few stations in orbit around Venus in a reasonable timeframe becomes possible
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>>14102960
>brachistochrone
>engine fails midway
>tfw you're yeeting yourself into interstellar space with unlikely any help being able to catch up to you in reasonable time
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>>14103024
>turn on backup engine
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Assuming getting huge pieces of metal into space via starship and welding them together is a non-problem, what do you think would be the biggest instillation we could build over, say, a 10-year span? Let's say for the sake of argument we wanted to do a spin habitat. Do you think we could get a 1 km diameter cylinder built and filled with oxygen and lighting and life support and everything? Could we go bigger? I feel like at that point you would want thicknesses more than just a few mm's though
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>>14103024
if the brakes on your car don't work or the power steering misbehaves on the highway, your're gonna die.
this is not an argument.
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>>14103030
if we´re transporting preassembled modules into orbit one at a time its gonna take decades, if we are shipping the much denser and less volume constrained materials to orbit to then be processed and assembled into the modules, then a few years
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>>14102960
https://phys.org/news/2020-10-spacecraft-titan-years-fusion.html
>Spacecraft design could get to Titan in only 2 years using a direct fusion drive

Damn even the DFD design proposed is only I-3 on this scale (~2 years to Titan) nothing close to Brachisto
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>>14103036
They'd need something like a runoff ramp, for when trucks lose control going downhill and need something to safely stop them. Slowing down in an emergency like that could drop you into an elliptical solar orbit at least. What could you do though, strap a shitload of SRBs to the front of your ship?
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>>14103049
>Impulse trajectory I-3 is near the transition between delta V levels for high impulse trajectories and low brachistochrone trajectories (it is a hyperbolic solar escape orbit plus 30 km/s).
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RARE recording Wernher Von Braun about Apollo moonlanding space astronaut nasa interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ9ITwTawxY
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>>14103049
yeah but once you figure out direct D-He3 fusion rockets then there's lots of low hanging fruit and obvious things to do to get 10x the dV of your current design
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>>14103067
Man fuck fission rockets and NTP we need to get all in on fusion drives
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>>14103050
A shitload of backups and backups of backups. Also maybe some sort of rescue interceptors if that's not enough.
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>>14102944
>when it comes time to do live interviews he proves he doesn't know a thing about rocketry committed to memory if it isn't in a prewritten script
That's not the impression I get at all. He's not an engineer like most anons here so he just doesn't get a lot of rather basic shit, but in terms of pure rocket erudition he's pretty up there among jewtubers. He clearly knows about as much as the average KSP nerd at least.
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Shuttle kino
The Dream Is Alive, 1985.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ9dUsALZek
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>>14102960
DFD is a meme design that relies on some weird ass toroidal confinment mode in a linear mirror setup. The closest thing to a torchship we've got is fission designs like Orion, gas core or the water(salt(nuclear)) rocket by Zubrin. Out of all the fusion designs the inertial confinement or mixed magneto-inertial ones seem the most likely to work.

Currently NASA's got MIC fusion in the works (Fusion Driven Rocket).
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>>14102944
>People who are good at making videos are not necessarily the people who know the most about spaceflight and rockets.
Imagine my surprise. If you need more depth there are still books and papers, just like always.
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>>14103081
>He's not an engineer like most anons here
uhhh
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>>14102978
NTR is superior to chemical for everything that isn't fucking around in your back yard. So long as you let your NTR actually melt or vaporize.
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>>14103104
You're not an engineer? I'm a retard but even I've got a mechanical engineering degree. Lots of anons here have brought up theirs too.
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>>14103104
If you don't have or are at least working on a STEM degree in a related field you don't belong here. If you want to cheerlead go to reddit.
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>>14103105
>expendable nuclear engine
not gonna happen
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>>14103119
>degree
kys
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>>14103119
Engineering isn’t STEM
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>>14103050
redundancy
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>>14102727
Finaly, my proposed payload fraction is more feasible now!
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>>14103119
based
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>>14103075
>Also maybe some sort of rescue interceptors if that's not enough.
An outer system parking orbit with a dozen autonomous tugs would be pretty fucking cool. Certainly possible if throwing shit out of the inner system became possible on brachistochrone trajectories
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>>14101372
The problem is that the on topic part of it is a side aspect of the whole thing. So basically the posts are off topic, its just like the old KSP spam it had minor relevance but the main part was off topic so the jannies removed it. Also most of the trannies are into it because its a form of fetishizing their fantasy of being a girl. I am not any of the original anti anime posters but I do believe its gotten to the point where anime girls should not be allowed.(and yes I meant just the girls)
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>>14103125
who said anything about expendable? gas core designs don't burn engine, the reactor core is uranium vapor
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>>14103131
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>>14103149
>I am not any of the original anti anime posters
>posters
try harder schizo
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Why don't we have a poll to see how credentialed we are? I bet its 70% STEM doctorates and a handful of Nobel Laureates
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>>14103149
Sneed
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>>14103129
Unless you've got 160IQ and taught yourself complex analysis when most kids are still in middle school having unprotected sex and doing meth, you're never gonna catch up to the people who actually put in several years of work to learn the math.
>>14103131
STEM is an extremely gay term and engineering is the gayest portion of that term.
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>>14103081
>He's not an engineer like most anons here
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>>14103149
It wouldn’t be a problem if everyone complaining actually used the report button, see 2 posts under you
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>>14103161
aight
www.strawpoll.me/45927207
EDUCATION POLL
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>>14103172
>>14103161
>tradies outing themselves
well, at least thanks to spacex y'all can work on roggits too. an engineering degree and some work experience really isn't a big deal.
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>>14103177
Does a degree I'm about to finish in a few months count? Doing a masters right now. Basically all that's left is the thesis.
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>>14103171
kek.
>complex analysis
LMAO
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>>14103190
they will jeer & throw stuff at you in the viva, its over
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>>14103197
Well, did you do complex analysis or some other upper-undergrad level math for fun in 8th grade or not? If you did, university is really not for you, but most people don't.
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>>14103156
fixed it for you
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retard
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>>14101525
>>14101699
In tech? Hopefully. Overpaid children.
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>>14103201
no
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>>14102981
Nevermind, found it.
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>>14102125
Its never been one guy, its just a group of posters here who hate off topic posts.
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>>14103235
that's a soyuz
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>>14103241
>its just a group of posters
Meds
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>>14102227
Anime has been present for a long time but anime girls is a different monster. Also the website hasn't been anime fueled since moot left.
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>>14103235
that's a soyuz
still cool though
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>>14103245
he's right
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>>14103247
>>14103255
>>14103241
>>14103218
>>14103173
>anime girls is a different monster
they come at night, don't they?
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bing chilling
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>>14103235
lol
lmao
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>>14103271
forgot: after the publication of https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/14/former-spacex-engineer-essay-alleges-culture-is-rife-with-sexism.html
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>>14103274
It's literally a soyuz with wings LOL
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My condition has nothing to do with the fact that anime girls (especially rocket girls) are a cancer and pedophilic virtue signal.
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>>14103271
>>14103275
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>>14103229
Then you don't get to act dismissive towards higher education, as it would probably provide you with knowledge and skills you're unlikely to acquire on your own. Not so much because they would teach it to you, per se, but because having to take an exam at the end of the semester motivates you to learn shit on your own. And having a working knowledge of at least basic engineering level math is pretty much a requirement to do anything more than blindly parrot the opinions of others when it comes to engineering decisions and tradeoffs.
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>>14103274
Tried reasoning that they could at least revive an upscaled one to utilize Angara's diameter, which must be way bigger than the soyuz or proton
I am disappointed. Russia can't into anything new
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How reusable are the reusable rockets really?
Is it really safe to reuse them?
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>>14103280
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>>14103294
it’s not. they build a new rocket at night to trick you
FRAUD musk will be in jail soon
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>>14103294
>How reusable are the reusable rockets really?
The current record is 11 times. The next best one is 10 times.
>Is it really safe to reuse them?
Yes humans have flown on Nasa certified reused rockets with great success.
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>>14103274
That's the old one though
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>>14103294
Why don't they just weld a Dragon directly to a Falcon 9 booster and call it Newer Shepard?
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>>14103310
Why would they want to do that?
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We are multiple people!
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>>14103317
to dab on bezos
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>>14103302
>>14103305
The duality of man.
My paranoia tells me that these steel dildos are not safe to use but I'm not an engineer.
These rockets need to be made from a self-healing programmable material like nanomachines or some shit.
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>>14103330
Falcon 9 isn't steel, it's mostly Al-Li.
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>>14103330
Well the steel dildo will have higher bias towards unsafety than F9 because of the reusable heat shield and the horizontal relight and flip and no launch escape.
That bias must be offset by copious amounts of unmanned flights to prove statistical safety.
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>>14103322
They do that already by putting people in orbit.
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>>14103309
I know but I just find it interesting/funny how the OG design is the same architecture as the soyuz
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>>14103337
Is this harder than steel or just less dense?
Why not carbon fiber?
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>>14102403
Good luck anon make a galactic Britain
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>>14103349
harder isn’t the term you’re looking for, that’s essentially scratch resistance
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>>14103294
No, nobody will ever successfully reuse a rocket.
>muh falcon
Refurbished. They replace the engines after each flight.
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>>14103271
happening???!
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>>14103359
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Looks like theyre gonna move the tent
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>>14103349
Al-Li is lighter than steel and cheaper than carbon fibre. RocketLab is making Neutron out of CF, Starship is using steel for the cost savings. The larger your rocket, the less it matters.
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>>14103381
why
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>>14103354
English is not my native language and you probably think of a term used in material science.
I mean that property which holds shit together when you hit it.
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>>14103382
>The larger your rocket, the less it matters.
based physics understander
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>>14103383
Most likely 5o put a bigger better structure or tent where that one stood. They're getting closer to permanent starbase instance of makeshift labratory
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>>14103383
more area for the big production tents
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>>14103359
retard
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>>14103365
i cannot unsee how his eyelids are open and his eyeballs are just green
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>>14103382
>>14103389
>The larger your rocket, the less it matters.
This is the second time I hear about this. I'm essentially a biofag so please forgive me my ignorance.
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>>14103406
basic square cube magic, the larger your rocket the more volume (fuel) it will have for a given surface area (structure)

if you have a very small rocket the structure must be very light for it to still have an acceptable mass fraction, but a much larger rocket can use much heavier materials to achieve the same mass fraction
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>>14102944
While you cant say Estro is brightest igniter in the thrust chamber, one cant deny his enthusiasm. Further anyone passionately pushing for rocketry can not be discounted. It was he who created that discord / patron to right his scripts, and pay for his trips. He put in the effort and can reap the rewards.
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>In 1971 the colorful astrodynamicist Samuel Herrick proposed splitting a fragment from asteroid Geographos and guiding it to excavate a new canal across Central America.
https://twitter.com/MrBeamJockey/status/1374607123540246532
Insanely based
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>>14102727
>a fucking pepper shaker
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>>14103416
>inb4 nooo but the rocket equation includes dry mass
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>>14103434
it includes both dry and wet mass and all that matters is the ratio between them
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>>14103430
let me I N H A L E
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>>14103416
That's quite easy, huh.
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>>14103435
yes but that is exactly the response i got when saying that engine TWR doesn't really matter all that much on big rockets.
especially when big rockets have easier fish to fry (residuals, wall thickness)
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>>14103446
A higher TWR does reduce gravity losses though, Starship SH will absolutely fly off the pad compared to Saturn V
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>>14103450
TWR matters very much
engine TWR becomes an ever more worthless metric with size.
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Umm? Fogbros..? i dont feel so good
https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/meteorologist-starship-at-spacex-2874957658
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>>14103455
>basically a meteorologist
>don't have a meteorology degree
Fuck me bros
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>>14103469
don't listen to the ladder climber fags.
you don't need a d*gree. just demonstrate exceptional meteoroligical ability.
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>>14103430
I wish i could afford to buy more of their stock
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>>14103275
he always seemed like a bit of a retard
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>>14103446
That's a different discussion. Structural mass goes down as fraction of total mass as you scale up, specifically for the kind of structure we're discussing here - vessels holding propellant. This means that for big rockets like old timey fuckhueg SSTO proposals it doesn't matter that you make it out of steel, any gains from using Aluminium or whatever could easily evaporate in other factors.
>>14103452
By definition you need it to be big if you've got a lot of mass that isn't engine, and you want big total TWR. For a given mass of engines and rocket, higher engine TWR directly translates to higher TWR for the entire vehicle.
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>>14103477
I have a degree in aviation but i do have great meteorology skills. The problem is I'm pretty sure they're looking for a certified one(aka a degree)
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>>14103477
The easiest way to get a leg up is to have a degree in the field. The vast majority of the time some faggot from the street is up against someone with a degree in a technical niche, the person with the relevant degree is more qualified.
>hurr durr muh ladder climbers
Sounds like you're coping very hard with your own lack of educational attainment. Did you fall for the "go into the trades" meme that used to be so popular on /pol/ back in the early 2010s?
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>>14103482
i don't think you understood my point.
my point is simply it's retarded to try to save mass on your engines (the most complex part of your rocket)
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>>14103490
>t. fell for the "higher" education meme
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>>14103490
>>14103498
what meme
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>>14103294
we dont fucking know and never will because no one is allowed to give any techinical details except
>muh coking
>muh reentry heating
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>>14103503
meme means joke. and you don't explain jokes
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>>14103508
Thanks, I didn't know that.
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>>14103455
Berger will answer the call. All according to plan
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>>14103515
It's Starlink.
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>>14103515
Frankly I'm tired of pretending it's not
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>>14103515
>Starlink is a satellite internet constellation operated by SpaceX[1][2] providing satellite Internet access to most of the Earth.[3][4] The constellation has grown to over 1,700 satellites through 2021, and will eventually consist of many thousands of mass-produced small satellites in low Earth orbit (LEO), which communicate with designated ground transceivers.
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Why does our return to the moon have to be tied to the SLS? I just want us to go back, why are they doing this to us?
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>>14103526
Because currently only Orion can get people from Earth to Lunar orbit.
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>>14103519
>>14103520
>>14103523
What does a little girl in her underwear have to do with starlink?
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>>14103526
>our return to the moon
Whose return to the moon?
Starship will return to the moon. Starship isn't tied to SLS.
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>>14103515
>looks at picture of starlink
>only sees a little girl in her undies
Yep, I realize now who the pedo is. The projection and defensive response is palpable. Seek help or better yet, kill yourself
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>>14103530
>>14103519
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>>14103530
Have you never heard of anthropomorphism?
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>>14103386
Sorry I was being too pedantic lol. Watch this https://youtu.be/6AcE7hBhpYU
Also Neutron is carbon fiber because it acts more like Super Heavy, it goes up and goes down and just has to have some protection in the engine ass region. Carbon fiber has a really low melting point and would be a nightmare to try and get back in one piece from orbital velocity the way upper stage SS has to do it. You could do a carbon fiber super heavy maybe, but now you've just complicated the process because you still need a metal upper stage
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>>14103529
HLS can get people from LEO to the moon and back, why not use a LEO vehicle like dragon, starliner or soyuz.
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>>14103529
Dragon can actually. You can do a moon mission with 3 falcon heavys
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>>14103347
Vodka Solutions™
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>>14103540
Does it have enough delta v for such trip?
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>>14103540
>HLS can get people from LEO to the moon and back
show me the calculation that it can return to LEO
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>>14103537
>>14103533
>>14103538
How does it relate? Its a drawing of a little girl in her underwear
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>>14103550
see
>>14103519
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>>14103547
Yes
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>>14103553
Proof?
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>>14103551
Its not starlink it a Girl. How does it relate?
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>>14103544
You know it isn't terrible, and the latest design is really fucking cool with those fold in winglets. They have their progress replacement due up, and the thing looks like shit. They should take a lesson from dragon just make a bigklipper with a slightly increased diameter than the original idea, and use it for crew and cargo. Also cancel Orel while you're at it lol
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>>14103559
see
>>14103519
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>>14103531
NASA's/America and SpaceX isn't going to the lunar surface without NASA since their focus is mars. They'll do dear moon but thats all until artemis goes to the moon. That means the Shit Launch System
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>>14103559
The way you capitalize words is getting erratic. Wanna take a chill pill? ;)
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>>14103498
>fell for the literal tradie meme
can't make this shit up
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i'm now 100% certain that but the anti-anime schizo and animefag are one and the same, there's no way
the same type of posts happen everytime and are natural, there just can't be no way
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>>14103571
>>14103564
How does it relate?
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>>14103581
We are multiple people!
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>>14103581
Same guy from /wtg/ on /vg/? Every day they go back and forth.
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>>14103581
It's all me.
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>>14103572
Wrong. I'm a neet.
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>>14103581
You figured it out detective
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>>14103581
I'm pretty sure its jist one anime spammer and then the rest of the general dog piling on him.
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>>14103595
ok this is a new one lol
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>>14103496
Absolute engine thrust is the most important metric, but engine TWR doesn't really go down in importance as some power law function of total mass like tank mass fraction does. Engine mass saving map directly to payload, regardless of how large or how small the rocket is. When you consider that, due to some physical limitations, larger rockets tend to use larger numbers of smaller engines with some overhead due to this, my gut tells me it should actually go up in importance as rocket mass goes up, but probably not very much - O(log n) or something like that.

You're welcome to correct me if my intuition is wrong, I haven't actually checked this.
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>>14103602
we are multiple people btw
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>>14103581
It's basically one anti-anime schizo and the rest of sfg shitting all over him
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>>14103609
There's basically a maximum engine size due to combustion instability and the F-1 was flirting with it.
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>>14103615
no
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>>14103615
So now you're just copying posts
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>>14103598
>hurr durr I got lucky with bitcoin
>hurr durr my parents are rich
>therefore I know better
why do you even have a horse in this race, then? I probably wouldn't have studied either if I didn't have to work eventually, no shit.
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At this point I might as well spam Krystal porn, at least she's spaceflight related.
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>>14103609
>but engine TWR doesn't really go down in importance as some power law function of total mass like tank mass fraction does
it absolutely does
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We're about to enter the most boring episode of Starbase, literally nothing is happening.
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>>14103622
Yes, I don't really doubt that part. It's the order of the overhead function as it relates to the total mass of the spacecraft (or number of engines, which is roughly O(mass)) that I am not sure about. Pretty sure that having many engines requires some overhead infrastructure in addition to the engine mass itself, which grows at some less than linear pace as a function of engine count.
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>>14103615
Pedo... I....
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>>14103624
>>14103626
Yes
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>>14103537
>atomic mass 1135 reaches same average binding energy per nucleon as hydrogen
What does this mean?
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This decade is gonna be so fucking cool
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>>14103638
Please, call me Mr. Pedo
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>>14103630
See >>14103637

Can you explain how? As I said, I haven't actually attempted to work out the math, I just don't see it off the top of my head. Basically, what the order of growth is for propulsion system mass in relation to total spacecraft mass (in thrust-constrained vehicles aka deep well launchers aka roggits on earth)
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>>14103581
>real posters say "just ignore/report him"
>schizo gets on
>posts anime
>samefags as several people shitting on himself
>despite previous posts saying to report and ignore the anti-anime schizo
either the IQ of /sfg/ is that of a rock, or this guy hypothesis is true
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>>14103642
>atomic mass 1135
>What does this mean
it means nothing
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>>14103505
Damn want a pic of the cooked end of the electron rocket.
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>>14103629
Don't do as he says. This is the pedo falseflagging again, obfuscating with furries
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>>14103627
Who said I was rich?
>why do you even have a horse in this race, then?
I just hate collegefags.
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>>14099717
Kinossini
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>>14103642
it means we
just gotta add more protons and neutrons till the only thing that holds the atom itself is its own gravity, not the nuclear strong force or electroweak force
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>>14103672
I think you just reinvented the neutron star.
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>>14103602 (you)
incorrect
>>14103615
mix in some newfags and off we go
imagine if such persistence was give in something more constructive to do like clean martian solar panels.
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>>14103661
>I just hate
Well that's not a fucking argument, is it? Going to university allowed me to work as an engineer. It would allow you to do so as well, if you so desired. You have nothing to act smugly superior about here.
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>>14103637
I don't think it's a function of vehicle size as much as it is a function of chamber pressure attainable at a given chamber size. Chamber pressure defines how much mass flow you can get per unit area which gives you the maximum thrust per area, which gives you the maximum height of the rocket.
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>>14103680
I never said I had an argument. This >>14103498 is where I jumped into this.
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>>14103645
Exited for the specialized telescopes/satalites in orbit to start yielding results. JWST has kinda hogged the lime light.
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>>14103679
Stop
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>>14103677
When you think about it a neutron star is really just a supermassive atom.
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>>14103691
Go (back)
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>>14103645
Why is ESA always in a race with NASA. This will launch at the same time as WFIRST. Which will also hunt exoplanets
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>>14103697
competition is good. anyways I think it's mostly because science is an international effort and people are trying to find out the same stuff
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>>14103562
Yeah, it's still kind of unbelievable that Russians actually came up with such a design.
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>>14103710
>Starship
>Dream Chaser
>Klipper
Capsulebros I don't feel so good.
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>>14103697
Because exoplanet survey missions are not the same. they are very specialized in their own right. some can only detect transits, or planets of a certain size. some detect wobbles of stars. you can also find them with lensing. but you need all these methods combined to get a statistical survey of all the possible planets, and they cant be done with a single telescope
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>>14103716
true
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>>14103681
I mean, is there a non-constant overhead term for engine infrastructure mass in terms of the number of engines used, or not. Not vehicle size directly. If you can find such a term you can show that effective engine mass actually goes up with the number of engines, so engine TWR actually becomes more important as the rocket grows in size.

I suspect such a term exists because each engine needs adequate structural bracing to transfer load and there is also a need for a propellant distribution system that grows in size and complexity with the number of engines.
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>>14103716
havent seen this one before, saved
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>>14103726
Based cute girl in space
>>14103716
Not based fetish drawing.
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>>14103732
not based schizo
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>>14103726
extremely ugly girl
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>>14103735
ur mom
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lets take a moment to appreciate the elegance and simplicity of super heavy's engineering
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>>14103732
>>14103735
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so b20 is definitely launching?
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>>14103739
yeah i love it but i wanna see the next iterations with raptor 2 on it
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>>14103742
Lol no valthewyvern confirmed S24 B8 months ago. yall cruscified him, but he was right
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>>14103739
>conveniently leaves out the costly and complex stage 0
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>>14103726
Shop Zubrin there
STAT
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>>14103742
Remember the B2 launch hype? I do.
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>>14103710
The lack of forward windows is whack. Autonomous landing I presume?
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>>14103739
inb4 bit of orange foam breaks off and destroys engine
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>>14103757
the engines are getting covers goyim
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>>14103622
Doubt. Mueller said the yuge Sea Dragon engine would work
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>>14103755
Shut up idiot, it's FAA's fault
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>>14103760
He is wrong
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>>14103739
rats nest
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>>14103761
I wanna say it's either the Administration conspiring against SpaceX or SpaceX being late on deadlines again.
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>so little happening in Starbase even Marcus House didn't bother to do a weekly update video
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>>14103726
>>14103754
can anyone find the image she's holding up in digital form?
then we can subtract the two and have a mask you can apply for pixel perfect shoops.
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>>14103766
Biden is probably funding the trannies to post anime on sfg. They're trying to blackmail us and the engineers that browse here
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>>14103768
Yeah, they should do a hop.
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>>14103773
we're multiple engineers btw
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>>14103768
Tellin ya, they should only do monthly. Weekly leads to this burnout.
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In light of the fact that there are many engineers working here can we get a more constructive conversation
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>>14103788
We were having a good conversation until you came here and smashed all the raptors
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>>14103739
>steel rusting
>engines rusting
>tubes rusting
>elon balding (again)
it's over
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It's growing on me.
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>>14103739
>>14103794
Falcon and Merlin never rust this bad. So much for reusable
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>>14103796
Gotta be his worst poster yet
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Why won't they be trying to land f9 on arms?
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>>14103796
>the virgin nu-rocket of the future render
>>14103809
>the chad detailed artistic grain silo poster
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>>14103796
Did bela give up halfway through this render? Usually his stuff is stylized. This looks russian space web tier
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>>14103728
you're being confused. the fact that effective engine mass per engine might increase with the number of engines doesn't imply this
>so engine TWR actually becomes more important as the rocket grows in size.
there's the same scaling effect. the engines are mounted on the bottom surface.
As the fuel volume increases, the engines' impact on the mass fraction becomes smaller.
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>>14103817
there's no air, so the engines cant burn
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>>14103809
It's because there's no real need for detail/texture on the carbon fiber rocket. With the steel sn8 you've got places for stringers and other details so it doesn't look like shiny cgi.
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>>14103817
>>14103823
because rockets work in an atmosphere, not in a vacuum
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>>14103832
I guess neutron looks like THE definitive futuristic rocket while Musk’s “star ship” looks like an outdated concept (which it is)
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>>14103832
Ok Tony, it still looks bad. You need to try harder
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>>14103841
Also could be because one only is a paper rocket with a 3d model for a concept.
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would a heatshiled on the bottom side of the rocket around the engines makes sense for Earth reentry?
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>>14103841
more like because one has just been sharted out of becks engineering team while one awaits FAA approval in boca chica
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>>14103822
>the fact that effective engine mass per engine might increase with the number of engines doesn't imply this
>>so engine TWR actually becomes more important as the rocket grows in size.
No, actually, I am not. Assuming we hold everything else constant, effective engine mass going up with total vehicle size does in fact imply that engine TWR goes up in importance as total vehicle size goes up. It's the same kind of argument that is used for propellant tank mass going down in importance.
>as fuel volume increases
If you're simply stretching the vehicle without adding more engines or increasing engine thrust to compensate, your total thrust to weight is going down and you're no longer holding everything constant since literally everything is now different.

If you're looking to isolate any single parameter, you need to find the response of the system to perturbations in that specific parameter, not some arbitrary subset of every other parameter too.
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>>14103853
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>>14103841
nice post, keep fucking up the musk stans around here. they shouldnt feel as comfortable as they do. they should be scared to post, ideally
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https://youtu.be/-rqL035klC4
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>>14103885
>God fires a warning shot
>NASA ignores it
>Apollo 13 happens
serves them right tbph
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>>14103855
Yeah you're right.
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>>14103595
wtf you also from there?
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>2017+5
>still playing grind thunder

I shiggy diggy
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>>14103945
only during events
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>>14103902
FUCK God.
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>>14103885
>not marking cgi
ugh i hate it
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>>14103950
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>>14103841
>looks like THE definitive futuristic rocket
Yes because it doesn't exist
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>>14103793
huh, i've never noticed the sfg easter egg until now
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They start with a completely outdated system, figure out they won't be able to reliably pick up the booster with a helicopter then come up with a shitty concept like that >>14103796 which is something even I can do in MS Paint. Then Peter Beck makes this pose and think it's going to be alright. It won't, pal. He should get a clue from how shitty and dangerous Starship is right now.

What we need are lifting body flyback boosters
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I hope they make the gateway ISS sized
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>>14104030
>What we need are lifting body flyback boosters
absolute retard
neutron good. starship good
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>>14104037
SLS good
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https://twitter.com/northropgrumman/status/1482045103292178434
>With nozzle and nose cone attached, the first fully assembled 72 feet tall GEM 63XL solid rocket booster is complete. >This GEM will provide over 463,200lbs of thrust for
>@ulalaunch’s Vulcan rocket. #DefiningPossible
Tick tock BO, the SRBs are assembled and growing staler by the minute.
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>>14104074
Based Bezos for delaying this piece of shit
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>>14104074
Maybe SpaceX can rig them up an adapter for spare raptors or something? This is getting sad.
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>>14103694
Yep, and all the elements over atomic mass ~250 probably exist for a few nanoseconds when neutron stars collide but they hate living even more than myself so they decay to more or less stable elements immediately
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>>14104074
BasedOldspaceSolidBooster.jpg
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>>14104086
exotic neutron matter propulsion drive capable of up to 0.8c when?
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>>14104074
>whole booster a continuous tube
See NASA, this is how it's done
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>>14104098
>exotic neutron matter
how about you first figure out your electron configurations in anything but hydrogen?
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>>14104100
The same company makes both. The shuttle ones are retarded on purpose for political reasons.
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You guys realise you don't have to suffer at the hands of the rocket equation right?? A circular accelerator in space could do the job :/
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>>14104098
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_starship
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>>14104108
Chemical rockets with orbital refueling are actually ridiculously OP. You need fusion drives or gas core fission NTP to be significantly better.
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Seriously starship 4/20 had gotta be outdated already. I wonder how much relevant data they can even get
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>>14104138
imagine they launch for the 4/20 memes but it ends up RUDing the pad, I dont think Elon is that stupid though
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>>14104103
quantum mechanics is hard
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>>14104152
it was supposed to launch on the 6th of September of last year (6/9), maybe now they can aim for April the 20th.
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>>14104114
imagine a depot in every celestial body known to man, unlocking the full potential of chemical spacecraft
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>>14104166
The asteroid belt would be a highway for hopping between rocks to get more launch windows.
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>>14103740
Disgusting
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>>14103732
>fetish
>pedo
stop projecting man holy shit you are so deranged your posts are easy to spot
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>>14104166
sun depot
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>>14104152
>>14104164
I want them to just make the next iteration and scrap 4/20
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>>14104188
You don't even know what the image was, unless you are the one who posted it in which case you are evading.
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>>14104191
>You don't even know what the image was
what is 4chanx lmao
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>>14104074
hate to be the party pooper but I don’t think these come with an expiration date. Only the shuttle SRB’s have that
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https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59996331
>Space travel destroys red blood cells faster than on Earth
it's over
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>>14104191
hello grandpa, it may surprise you but there is this thing known as an archive
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>>14104201
JAIL IS TOO GOOD FOR THE MUSKRAT IN CHIEF
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>>14104202
The images are kill for fireden. Idk about any other archives though
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>>14104138
>Seriously starship 4/20 had gotta be outdated already. I wonder how much relevant data they can even get
They have no data on how the overall system architecture actually behaves in flight, and upcoming versions just update the design and placement of subsystems or attach more engines. As big as those changes are, "how does Starship behave when it goes supersonic?" remains unanswered, and they don't need or benefit from a newer build to validate their models on that.
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>still arguing about a single post from hours ago
"spam"
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>>14104201
>Three million red blood cells are destroyed per second in space, compared to two million on terra firma. Fortunately, the body can compensate. If it didn't, astronauts would become very ill in space.

>But the researchers are not sure how long the body can be in this constant state of repairing itself, especially if it's in space for a lengthy mission.

shiiiiiiit, this is just cause of micro-gravity so yeah, I wonder if the opposite happens on higher gravity worlds, where can we test this?
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>>14104215
warosu has images
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>>14104215
>trannyden
Use a real archive not run by a faggot
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>>14104201
>Scientists have discovered more about why space travel makes astronauts anaemic when they return to Earth.
>Canadian researchers say 50% more red blood cells are destroyed in space and this continues for however long the mission lasts.
>As a result, long voyages to the Moon, Mars and beyond may be a challenge, they say.
>Even when astronauts in the study returned to living with gravity there was no quick fix, and a year later they were still found to be losing red blood cells at a higher rate.
>Dr. Trudel sees the anaemia caused by space travel as being "similar" to that experienced by patients who've spent months inactive in intensive care with illnesses like Covid.
it was good while it lasted
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>>14104225
centrifuge with unironic muskrats
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>>14104239
are there ironic muskrats??
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>>14104234
>being outside Earth kills the human body
this is why we must transcend the flesh if we were to reach for the stars
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>>14104246
everyone in the thread
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>>14104247
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuralink
thanks elon, very cool
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>>14104234
wonder if same for just being on the moon long periods

too bad we cant test that cause no artemis base
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>>14104234
if only there was a simple way to mitigate zero g effects by rotating part of the spaceship in a way that's been considered technically feasible for over half a century...
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>>14104281
Assuming that lack of gravity is what's doing it. If it is, yeah, mitigation strategy found.
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>>14104289
if it's not gravity it's rads-use reusable rockets to build spaceships that are actually worth a damn and not tissue paper mass autism bullshit.
I'm fed up with all of this nonsense. We are going to RAPE space no matter how much it tries to keep us out-the resistance only makes me harder.
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>>14104247
No. Make everything Earth.
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page 10.. staging
just kidding i won't do shit fuck you
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STAGING NEW THREAD
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>>14104314
Set SCE to OOF.
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REMOVE SLS remove SLS
you are worst SLS. you are the SLS idiot you are the SLS smell. return to urf. to our urf cousins you may come our planet. you may live in the zoo....ahahahaha ,oldspace we will never forgeve you. boing rascal FUck but fuck asshole SLS stink oldspace sqhipere shqipare..SLS genocide best day of my life. take a bath of dead SLS..ahahahahahBOEING WE WILL GET YOU!! do not forget depot .alabama we kill the king , albania return to your precious contractor....hahahahaha idiot SLS and oldspace smell so bad..wow i can smell it. REMOVE SLS FROM THE PREMISES. you will get caught. russia+usa+euro+japan=kill oldspace ...you will depot/ elon alive in mars, elon making album of mars . fast rap elon mars. we are rich and have contracts now hahahaha ha because of elon... you are ppoor stink SLS... you live in a hovel hahahaha, you live in a yurt

elon alive numbr one #1 in mars ....fuck the urf ,..FUCKk ashol boing no good i spit in the mouth eye of ur flag and planet. elon aliv and real strong wizard kill all the SLS farm aminal with rap magic now we the mars rule .ape of the zoo presidant georg bush fukc the great satan and lay egg this egg hatch and oldspace wa;s born. stupid baby form the eggn give bak our clay we will crush u lik a skull of pig. mars greattst countrey
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>OFF NOMINAL STAGING
OFF NOMINAL STAGING
>OFF NOMINAL STAGING
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>OFF NOMINAL STAGING
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I HATE SLS I HATE SLS I HATE SLS I HATE SLS I HATE SLS
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I saw Elon Musk at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Raptors in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
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>>14104247
>from the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me
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>>14103697
1. Competition is good
2. ESA plans at least 4 exoplanet in this decade IIRC
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>>14100155
What was the name of that Mars Valley people were talking about? Isn't that a better place to build a base than to just build a base on the surface?
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>>14104831
Mariner Valley?
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>>14104850
>Mariner Valley
That's the one, thanks.



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