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Is there ANYTHING more pretentious than playing some 3 hour long chess matches?

Like, calm down with the virtue signaling Einstein. It's not like you are a grandmaster, your brain is incapable of thinking 180 minutes for moves. Your underdeveloped mediocre brain can only see 1-2 moves in the future anyways, so just take your 20 seconds of thinking time and make a move.

You are just completely wasting your time if you don't play 5-10 minutes chess games.
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Of course this doesn't apply to actual masters/grandmaster players who actually posses the brain power and capacity to think 5-10 moves into the future.

There's this fucking chess club at my university where they waste their fridays staring at chess boards in 2 hour long games. Just complete utter bullshit.
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>>14096031
>5-10 moves into the future.
Kek.
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>>14096031
>to think 5-10 moves into the future.
Even a 1900 ELO chump can do this and not only for forcing sequences.
What the 1900 ELO lacks is positional/strategic judgment.
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>>14096026
>Is there ANYTHING more pretentious than playing some 3 hour long chess matches?
I see you've never been locked up. A 3 hour chess game would be like the Superbowl in jail my fren.
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>>14096212
most people haven't been locked up
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>>14096031
>Of course [pretentiousness] doesn't apply to actual masters/grandmaster players
This actually applies doubly on master-level players. Think about it, chess is a less complicated game than most video games, since it is perfect information (e.g. in contrast to poker, FPS, RTS games) and turn based, and it requires tons of rote memorization (i.e. literally autistic-tier 20+ move opening theories and you have to memorize hundreds of them if you wanna play at master-level, otherwise you'll need to spend tons of time trying to outplay the literal supercomputer that produced the opening line which has been memorized by your opponent, and you'll end up in a shittier position which requires more thinking time to not lose the game and with little time left you succumb to time pressure and you blunder everything in the middle/endgame and you lose) yet when someone becomes chess world champion everyone are sucking their dick about how geniuses they are.
At least most chess masters are self-aware of this. If you ever catch someone asking an IM/GM on a stream "what do you need to become good at chess" they'll almost always answer "it's just memorization, you need to memorize the patterns by solving tons of puzzles, and memorizing opening lines". In essence they are admitting they're just autistically obsessed with the game.
t. enjoys 3+ hours chess games, ~1700 FIDE
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>chess
not math or science
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>>14097309
That's not true in the US
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>>14099112
>A set of symbols with static behaviors that are constrained to a grid is unrelated to math.
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>>14096026
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>>14099502
Magnus also plays gay. He's borderline pro level. Probably because he started late, and is casual about it.

https://online-go.com/player/535212/
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>>14096026
>b-b-but muh 150 moves ahead
That's now how you get good at it.
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>>14099105
Figured so, honestly at high levels it's just playing yourself to figure out what's gonna happen, as you said (paraphrasing) there isn't any wildcards like poker or the others so it's entirely just deduction and a catalogue of memorising all the techniques. At that point it's basically just algorithm stuff. Probably makes sense why the game attracts autists, it's incredibly predictable provided you know the theory.
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People: enjoy playing chess
OP: for some reason upset about it
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chess grandmasters are only good at remembering the moves, not actually computing them to anticipate the course of the game
no need to debate me on this
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>>14096212
Storys; go.
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I'm surprised people don't just alt tab and open an ai that tells them the Winrate for different moves. I think good players actually have memorized all chess playstyles so people going for long matches are just hoping their opponents internet cuts out for ten seconds and they gain ELO.
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>>14096026
Agreed op. Sometimes i think less than 10 seconds and dgaf if i lose.
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>>14096093
Computer that is limited to calculate 10 moves into the future wins grandmaster.

>>14096120
>Even a 1900 ELO chump can do this and not only for forcing sequences.
Competely wrong. Even grandmasters make blunders which were preventable by 2-3 move sequences. Some examples of 2 move sequences grandmasters regularly miss:
>Moving two pieces so that they get forked by knight of pinned by bishop the next move
>Moving the bishop (or failure to move the bishop) so that it gets trapped by pawns the next move
>Castling long that immediately reveals king to a check that leads to pawn capture

>What the 1900 ELO lacks is positional/strategic judgment.
Meaning? Chess has no clear mathematical structure, only thing that matters is how long to the future you can calculate the moves. There exists almost zero strategical comments about chess, e.g. "Never trade rook for pawn" or "in the opening develop your pieces" or "connect your rooks in the endgame", except for those that immediately cause a checkmate.

>>14096212
Yeah going to jail is pretty enormous failure. Havent done that yet. Dont speak to me further criminal.

>>14099105
Poker is perfect information game, what the fuck are you talking about. The exact cards that the opponents are holding are nearly meaningless to your strategy. The cards that will be dealt as the community cards have literally zero impact on your strategy.

Like, you LITERALLY know what cards your opponent is holding. Its an element of the 169 element set {AA, AKs, AK, KK,...}.

>>14099721
Computer that could calculate N+1 moves into the future always wins against computer that calculates N moves into the future.

>>14100785
This is too generic argument. People should consider the actions of other people. E.g.
Me: Raping your girlfriend
Op: For some reason upset about it, because he wants his own genes to spread instead of mine
or
People: Enjoy playing chess for 3 hours
Me: Upset, because I could do something more fun with those people
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>>14096031
I can think 1 move into the future.

Srs.
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>>14101233
>Computer that could calculate N+1 moves into the future always wins against computer that calculates N moves into the future.
My program that calculates 4-5 moves into the future will beat your program that calculates 20 moves into the future.
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>>14101233
> poker is perfect information game
you are confusing perfect information for complete information, anon. you sure type a lot of words for someone who doesn’t know the basics of the topic he is discussing.
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>>14101233
>Poker is perfect information game
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>>14101233
> holy pseud
how can one person be so wrong in in a single post
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>>14096026
>it's an episode where OP thinks chess is about "see moves into the future"

work on positioning, work on identifying weaknesses, work on tactics, work on sport psychology and after you master all those you won't need to "see moves into the future", that will come naturally

chess is a coordinated flow, not random guessing
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>>14101851
I wonder how OP thinks humans are capable of beating machines that literally look 40 moves ahead.
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>>14101420
You dont have a program, because you dont know how. Go ahead prove me wrong by sharing a code.

>>14101495
Nah.

>>14101765
>wikipedia
Have you played poker? Or did you just 'read'?

>>14101851
Computer doesnt know any of those concepts. The computer doesnt even basically knows it is playing a continuous game, it is merely solving single states.
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>>14103108
>y-y-y-you don't have a program!!
LOL. Are you disputing that a chess AI with a basic static evaluation and a greater game tree depth can easily lose to a chess AI with a strategically sound static evaluation function and a smaller game tree depth?
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>>14103108
> unaware of the distinction between perfect information and complete information and too lazy to look it up once corrected
based retard
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>>14101409
Made me kek
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>>14096026
>your time if you don't play 5-10 minutes chess games
10 minute games are like 3 hour games for me. 3 min blitz is pretty nice.
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>>14099105
>>14096026
>ting they're just autistically obsessed with the game.
This sounds like cope. How about games where there are no existing lines? At the point, creativity and IQ are both very important for creating favorable positions. Why do people cope that chess isn't an IQ based game?
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A person with higher IQ will get more out of chess practice/tactics/analyzing in less time than a person with low IQ. People are insecure and coping when they say that IQ isn't as important for games like chess.
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>>14103137
I dont understand your meaning

>>14103163
Have you played poker?
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>>14103448
>I dont understand your meaning
Then why are you even posting, retard? You have no clue what you're talking about.
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>>14096026
OP what's your major? Just curious
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>>14103137
don't forget processing speed. You know that Stockfish is elo-gated by processing time, right?
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>>14104130
>don't forget processing speed.
Not relevant to what we were specifically discussing.
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>>14104132
uhhhh yeah it fucking is cuz if I had infinite processing power then I would win the game in an instant. It's pretty fucking relevant if you want to talk about anything relating to the real world.
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>>14104147
Not relevant. I was telling him why thinking more moves ahead doesn't necessarily result in better play.
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>>14104154
>doesn't necessarily result in better play
yeah no shit. see tom7's chess video.
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2570 Elo here. OP's post is pure cope. Everything he's said to describe his imaginary midwit nemesis, he knows applies equally well to himself. He knows he's not intellectually or creatively capable of competing in, achieving, or enjoying high-level chess, so he projects and belittles anyone who can. Many such cases, world is full of crabs in a bucket like OP. Don't listen to OP. If you love something, don't let anyone or anything get in the way of your pursuit of it.

>inb4 "I can do it, I just don't want to"
People who truly believe that don't bitch and moan with cope worn on their sleeve.
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>>14104180
Kill yourself, retard.
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>>14101233
>Poker is perfect information game, what the fuck are you talking about. The exact cards that the opponents are holding are nearly meaningless to your strategy. The cards that will be dealt as the community cards have literally zero impact on your strategy.
Yeah, they have no impact on your strategy because you don't know what they are. LMAO
>Like, you LITERALLY know what cards your opponent is holding. Its an element of the 169 element set {AA, AKs, AK, KK,...}.
We need a new insult. The old ones are getting stale and this concept could come in handy. I see anons like this one all the time on this board. Someone who applies learned concepts in a fundamentally retarded manner that betrays utter lack of understanding. Overeducated over one's natural limits. Imagine a chimpanzee with an abacus trying to use it to impress baboons. Any ideas? What do we call these anons in a single word?
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>>14103448
yes, as a matter of fact i was an exec in my university poker society. currently in grad school now so i don’t have as much time to frequent casinos, but i’ve played enough to let you know that you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

>>14104224
are you a GM?

>>14104285
we absolutely do. i’m seeing more and more of these chumps. i think it’s just an influx of arrogant high schoolers who don’t know how retarded they sound.
pseudointellectual is the classical choice of insult, but it isn’t strong enough. these people need to know how contemptible they are.
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>>14104451
>are you a GM?
Not yet. Working on my second norm.
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>>14104522
good luck anon, i hope omicron clears up so there are more opportunities for you
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>>14104545
Thanks much fren
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>>14100883
>Storys; go.
Its.... not fun.... There wasn't any rapes or that going on in the jail I was at, but when you live in a 15'x10'x cell with 7 other guys, bad food, some unpleasant company, a chessboard that you have to share with 7 other "cells", and 63 other guys; it's not fun.
Oh, I forgot to mention the best part; you'll spend months in jail awaiting trial for a crime you might not have even comitted, but end up just taking a plea deal to speed the process up.

If you want stories, just go to jail; you'll get plenty.
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>>14101233
>Yeah going to jail is pretty enormous failure. Havent done that yet. Dont speak to me further criminal.
Dam.... That's cold.... I don't think you truly understand how the legal system functions in my country....
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>>14104576
ignore him, he is the biggest retard to emerge from this board in a long while. look at the rest of his posts, see them being systematically dismantled. the one who benefits from not being spoken to by this useless retard is you, not him.
well done for getting out of prison anon, hope you’re getting through life okay now
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>>14097309
>most people haven't been locked up
>>14099274
>That's not true in the US
Yeah, I don't think people realize how many people have been through the system. And when you do go through the system, you'll see how fucked up the lock-up-life truly is. You'll understand how twisted our society truly is. We can't keep operating like we currently are.

You know those scary sci-fi dystopia movies? I hope you didn't think they were just a "movie", because YOU are currently the main character in those hellish dystopias.
You just haven't reached the part where you wake up.
Spend more time on /pol/. Learn. Educate yourself. Science is more than memorizing textbooks.
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>>14099314
is this considered game theory, or is game theory not even remotely related to games.
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>>14104592
we should honestly start openly banning schizos on /sci/
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>>14096026
not science or math
>uhhh, but it's game theory midwi-

I'm not insecure enough to try to signal intellect through my hobbies, and especially through petty debates about said hobbies on 4chan. My actual academic career and research speak for themselves.
Stop shitting up my board with /v/-tier threads that are only tangentially related. Yes. *My* board.
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i just try to make the horsie jump
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>>14096026
>mediocre brain can only see 1-2 moves in the future anyways

Well, I'll start by saying my preferred is 15+10. I also did 30+15.

In 3-4 minutes I can calculate at least what I believe to be 3-5 likely lines out 4ish moves. Granted 'likely' is subjective, but you can often know they're going to take a check or what not. If I take 10 minutes I can analyze selected lines further or scour for any lines I may have ignored initially.

I'm bordering on 1800 and I'm beginning to learn the psychology of it. The meta in chess has also changed to some degree. Everyone has access to computer engines now. How well you use that to learn from your games is up to you. My favorite example is a sequence in which I picked up a free bishop and my opponent resigned. The computer scoffed at this and revealed I could be forced into losing my queen in 5-6 turns. Granted neither my opponent nor I saw that, but that example illustrates the vast landscape in human play.
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>>14101233
>only thing that matters is how long to the future you can calculate the moves
That is completely wrong. In fact, before strategic and positional concepts were programed into computers, it was normal for the silicon to lose to humans. Humans when they play chess don't brute force calculate , they use strategic, tactical and positional motifs to guide their calculation to only where it's needed.
There is also a psychological aspect of the game, the mounting pressure in tournaments, targeted preparation, etc. it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about



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