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How likely are we to find the cure to old age in our lifetime? Is longevity escape velocity just a fad for them to scam us money or is there some reality behind it? I heard there are some meds that work on rats already
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>>13750117
50/50 either we do, or we dont
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>Is longevity escape velocity just a fad for them to scam us money
It's both a massive cope and a scam.
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>>13750121
There's a 50% chance a meteorite will fall down and kill you right now. Either it happens, or it doesn't
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>>13750117
It'd be easy if there were an organ which made cells but since our cells make themselves from other cells we're kinda fucked.

We'd need to program in a way to reverse the decay/shortening of Telomeres when a cell reproduces to unlock age-based immortality, and then make that cell dominate in our body despite the competition of all the other cells.

We don't yet know how to do this, but it'd be a monumental task to perform on an adult or child, as opposed to onto our earliest life when we're just a couple cells, so those of us reading this are fucked.

Unless we unlock how those infamous "immortal jellyfish" turn into juveniles after each time they fuck as adults. Otherwise best thing you can do to preserve telomere length is to make as few new cells as possible, e.g. don't donate blood etc (bleeding is why women age so awfully and so fast compared to men)
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>>13750125
True, that's why I live in fear each day, but on the other hand I have 50/50 of winning the lottery, I'm just waiting for the price to get bigger then I will buy 2 tickets and gg 100% win
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>>13750117
Zero. Aubrey is a sexual predator and used his position to abuse women. It was never about during aging for this alcoholic, only to lure young women (who are afraid of aging) into his fake company to fuck them.
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>>13750440
There are others in this field, like Sinclair
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>>13750471
Also a sexual predator
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>>13750491
But if you fix aging, you could have 1000 year old lolis, and that would be legal. So being sexual predators doesn't mean they won't try to fix aging
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>>13750440
This is actually genius. Best way to get insecure young qts sucking your dick.

Brb gonna start an anti-aging company
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>>13750440
>alleged
and even if he does get cancelled it will probably be a good thing, he seems like a loose cannon and is probably best he be replaced by someone more competent and talented.
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>>13750586
He's most likely crazy, and looks like a hobbo, but I still need him to make me immortal,so please don't cancel him
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>>13750602
if we're going to solve ageing it will probably be solved by some powerful AI in the 2050's so stay healthy until then I guess.
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>>13750617
I will be 64 by then...

I guess its over for me.
If the AI reads, this message, please bring me back from oblivion, ok?
And her as well.
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>>13750617
How so? AIs don't do research, I don't think they getting better is going to do much.
Besides, a powerful AI won't make clinical trials go faster.
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>>13750630
> AI solves the protein folding
> AIs don't do research

pick one
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>>13750633
Solving protein folding won't make clinical trials go faster. And what the AI did is do a theoretical calculation of how proteins fold, it just happens that our methods for experimentally checking how proteins fold are so bad and unreliable that the AI's theoretical predictions are actually more accurate
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>>13750568
Aubrey is definitely a genius, and I'm surprised more people don't notice his approach. He's a pseud when it comes to biology, but he knows women. He just fucked up, had a few too many beers, and hit on a bitch. The young girls in the field who are obsessed with preventing their aging are ironically enough usually into older men. So it's easy to pass them off amongst one another (hey baby, we'll give you a FREE SAMPLE of our currently experimental anti aging cream, but just give me a good reason why you're qualified for it wink wink)
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>>13750629
you'll be fine, you even with basic advancements in medicine and nutrition age 64 by then would be equivalent to a 50 year old today in terms of health.
>>13750633
this I remember most sci people said we wouldn't solve this for another few decades, even basic narrow AI's are getting really impressive.
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>>13750669
They also said we'd have flying cars in the 2020s, and I see them nowhere.
Just because people make inaccurate predictions, that doesn't mean we'll find a cure in time
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>>13750669
based.
Also, thanks anon.
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>>13750136
telomeres is just one facet of aging and telomeres have already been artificially lengthened in a living adult.
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>>13750690
Even if we don't solve aging in our lifetimes, eliminating most of the diseases of old age and increasing the average life span of a human to 100-110 that would still be a massive win in my eyes.

We already know humans are capable of living to 120 with the right genes so it is not out of the realms of possibility.
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>>13750117
https://akarlin.substack.com/p/grey-skies-ahead-for-life-extension

> Moreover, as I pointed out to them on Twitter, investors will now be warier of investing long-term into something that folds so quickly to mob pressure. Personally speaking, $VITA is my one coin where I’m unironically “in it for the tech.” Said tech involves not dying this century. It doesn’t listening to Dr. Robin DiAngelo’s future lectures on how life extension will immortalize white supremacy and perpetuate systems of oppression against women and POC. To the extent that DAOs are meant to guard against this, it is not the most auspicious start.
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>>13750117
As soon as we can begin growing human organs in factories life expectancy is going to skyrocket
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>>13750117
How likely are we to find the cure to old age in our lifetime?
Its atleast 100 years away. Dont get fooled by pop sci freaks. We barely know every important growth factor, how you going to solve aging when your organs will fail without regeneration capability?
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>>13750117
In my opinion, they've already found several routes to reach biologic immortality. And genetic therapies is one of the most promising ones, I'm only waiting for the price to go down enough in a decade or so and I take it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXhCysAEa4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jPbQQ2Hsws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMjk-lIXFf0
>>13755319
>Its atleast 100 years away.
The same shit was told about the goal of Human Genome Project. Why do you useless faggots have to have opinions about things you don't even follow
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>>13755405
>I'm only waiting for the price to go down enough in a decade or so and I take it.
Rich people can't have it yet, even though they can afford it
>The same shit was told about the goal of Human Genome Project
That was a technology that already existed and was perfectly escalable, that's why governments invested in that but won't invest in this
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>>13755448
>Rich people can't have it yet, even though they can afford it
They cannot get it in the USA, maybe they should go South before they go south.
Integrated Health System is the name of the medical tourism company.
> That was a technology that already existed and was perfectly escalable
Oh, really? You decided to speak out of your ass again? What technology was that and why the picrelated?
> that's why governments invested in that but won't invest in this
They invested in that to take it under their control and to curb it. They planned to steal the budgets for twenty years on that project, but Craig Venter whom they ousted, found private funds and made it in nine months.
The same trick they played on Aubrey, the CEO who planned and played the takeover (in which those chicks were only pawns) is also some government official.
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>>13755503
>Integrated Health System
Cant find it, link?
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>>13755530
>Integrated Health SystemS
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>>13755567
All I get is a definition of healthcare systems, not an actual company. At least where is it located?
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>>13755591
https://www.integrated-health-systems.com
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>>13755405
>The same shit was told about the goal of Human Genome Project
Because sequencing dna is the same as mapping a 100+ pathways.
>Why do you useless faggots have to have opinions about things you don't even follow
Actual research as opposed to linking quack scammers on youtube.
Your genome isnt going to fix scar tissue or degeneration of regenetative capability by itself.
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>>13750117
>How likely are we to find the cure to old age in our lifetime
0. Anyone getting close will just get #metoo-ed
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>>13755612
>https://www.integrated-health-systems.com
>The expression of this gene (mainly in the kidneys) results in the production of Klotho protein, which protects our vascular system (arteries and veins) from mineral deposits. Such deposits are harmful because they lead to what is known as “calcification” of our vascular system, a major reason for death in patients with Chronic Kidney Disease or CKD.
This is healing crystal tier retardation
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>>13755168
>We could do it today
>The reasons we don't are almost entirely political
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>>13750117
Just solving some present damage and buying time to fix future problems ignores diminishing returns and the accumulation of harder to repair damage.
It's good marketing but nowhere near Full self driving will turn your tesla into an appreciating asset.
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everyone in this thread will die within a normal human lifespan
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>>13750440
Those female mediocrities hope to take over from Aubrey and receive funding for their worthless resveratrol on dogs studies. The old weirdo sent one email and they took away his career. The propanda that claims that without sexual harrasment science would be more advanced is more harmful than anythings Aubrey ever did. So much effort and resources will be wasted for these mediocre grifting careerists.
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>>13757564
Yes because it will become normal for human lifespan to exceed 100.
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>>13750117
Very. It's real. Correct.
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>>13757470
We should learn to embrace it.
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>>13757474
Mind to explain?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klotho_(biology)
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>>13757466
>Your genome isn't going to fix scar tissue
You don't know that.
>Your genome isn't going to fix degeneration of regenerative capability
Boy you're clueless. That is exactly what telomerase is for.
Either way, as I said, "they've already found SEVERAL routes to reach biologic immortality." so if gene therapy cannot fix everything, somewhere somebody probably has already figured out how to fix it otherwise.
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>>13757638
>You don't know that.
I do know that, and if you had even a basic clue about biology you would as well.
>That is exactly what telomerase is for.
You really are helpless.
>they've already found SEVERAL routes to reach biologic immortality
They haven't. Maybe conceptual, but nothing close to concrete.
>>13757626
Care to explain how "calcification" is a major reason for death in CKD patients. When its such a childish missrepresentation of whats really happening. And why aren't they capable of replacing the kidney without dialysis when they'fe found the way to reach immortality?
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>>13758005
>I do know that, and if you had even a basic clue about biology you would as well.
So why don't you tell us how exactly you know that? (inb4 "you're too stupid for me to even try, but I still have time for another insult")
> You really are helpless.
And your replies are oh so helpful! By giving me shit you only make yourself an asshole.
> They haven't. Maybe conceptual, but nothing close to concrete.
Maybe, yep. You know fuck all.
> Care to explain how "calcification" is a major reason for death in CKD patients.
let me google it for you..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_kidney_disease
ctrfF calcification
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If we had colonized africa, we would have 2x the intellectual output per capita that we have right now. Imagine having another america.
In this alternate timeline we would already be on mars, and likely cured aging years ago. 2020 is a late future that many people were hypothsizing about being this fantastic place. But we never reached that level
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>>13750136
apparently telomeres don't apply to miosis right? like when my cells give birth to new life, the new life isn't having shortened telomeres. So the idea that telomeres are some unsolvable problem is probably not true at all
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>>13758141
People who are obsessed with telomeres have never followed a basic cell course.
The Hayflick limit is a valuable thing to stop cancers.
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>>13750117
>How likely are we to find the cure to old age in our lifetime?


100% by 2040
wouldnt it matter how old you are anon'chan??
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Ysk if you cure old age you fuck up everything else.
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>>13758083
>So why don't you tell us how exactly you know that?
Because scar formation isn't solved at all. Or if you actually want to be a smart ass: Nothing in the human genome is capable of removing liver cirrhosis.
>let me google it for you..
Wow who would have guessed! Calsification is a risk factor and not a cause of death, dayum! Out of all death causes that accompany CKD they went with one that doesn't directly cause it. They should have said hypertension.
Rest of your post is pure copium. If you wanted to be taught something you shouldn't pretend to be somesort of expert.
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>>13758304
>Nothing in the human genome is capable of removing liver cirrhosis.
A large statement. Meanwhile.. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10759218/
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>>13758354
You're actually retarded right? Or do you think gene treatement is something inherent to the human genome?
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> Nothing in the human genome
You don't get the idea. Now we can turn our genome as unhuman as we wish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqo3yR109wE
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Please fuck off to >>>/x/ if basic biology is beyond your grasp
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>>13758382
>inherent
whatever you wanted to say
>human genome
Once again, you're not gettin it at all.
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>>13758389
What basic biology are you speaking of? Please be specific, or fuck off yourself.
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>>13758397
> militant schizophrenia
fear is the foremost motivator of the retarded scum and crooks of all sorts resort to it all the time, what else is new?
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>>13758405
>>13758396
You claim the body is capable of reversing liver cirrhoses by itself yet so far the only evidence is a literal scam bait website and a paper that claims the complete opposite of what you state
.
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>>13758466
>You claim the body is capable of reversing liver cirrhoses by itself
Do I? Not that I would object it knowing what miracles it is capable of being treated with high doses of thc, but did I claim what you say I have?
>a paper that claims the complete opposite of what you state
Once again, be more specific, don't be affraid of copyright infringements, use the copy-paste, kudasai.
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>>13758418
If you don't have a black belt in jiu jitsu, I don't know you and you're just some worm that tried to attach itself to me.
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>>13758496
> militant schizophrenia intesifies
find some benevolent therapist and take some lsd in his or her presence
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>>13758476
>>Your genome isn't going to fix scar tissue
>You don't know that.
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10759218/
>Liver cirrhosis is the irreversible outcome of fibrous scarring and hepatocellular regeneration.
By now its obvious you dont even have paper access.
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>>13758552
>>>Your genome isn't going to fix scar tissue
>>You don't know that.
"isn't going" was the key phrase in the discussed context. It quite maybe is, if we tweak it a little bit.
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>>13758552
>>Liver cirrhosis is the irreversible outcome of fibrous scarring and hepatocellular regeneration.
So what stopped you from reading past the first sentence?
>By now its obvious you dont even have paper access.
I know sci-hub, so I do:
> Repeated in vivo transfection using HVJ–liposomes is simple and safe and can be done without causing sub-stantial inflammation or activation of cellular and humoral immunity. Another new approach, infusion of naked plasmid DNA via the hepatic artery, is also safe and can be done without eliciting a strong host immune response. Using these newly developed methods, HGF gene therapy may eventually be applied clinically for the treatment of patients with liver cirrhosis, which is otherwise fatal and unresponsive to conventional therapy.
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>>13758564
Semantics isn't going to save you.
You cannot tweak your genome to regenerate and undo scar tissue.
>>13758602
Ah so injecting exogene DNA that stops expression from endogene genes is now part of the genome. Very cool.
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>>13758641
>Ah so injecting exogene DNA that stops expression from endogene genes is now part of the genome. Very cool.
That is just one step beyond of what that "literal scam" offers. And you would get it if you wasn't so painfully clueless.
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>>13758662
The paper is almost 20 years old and liver cirrhosis still isnt treatable, so no the therapy option didn;t work.
Meanwhile you have some sort of B-tier website selling pure quackery without even a single refrence.
Your goal post moving is retarded.
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>>13758683
>The paper is almost 20 years old
And that is why they are doing it in mice.
Rejuvenating gene therapies were published 20 years ago, and it's been only about 5 years since somebody dared to apply it to humans (evading the harmful regulations by making it off-shore)
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>>13750602
Aubrey is just a frontman that collects money from investors.

The real progress is being made in labs by random PhDs that publish boring articles all day long which nobody reads. After that it's just a matter of commercializing whatever breakthroughs they find in the lab. Aging is just cells accumulating damage over time and it can be reversed by either restoring the cells to their original state or replacing them with new ones. There are many different cells in the body which can malfunction in many different ways, which means there will never be one universal cure for aging. Longevity escape velocity is real but misunderstood. It's not about delaying aging as a whole but about curing malfunctions individually so that by the time you get Alzheimer's, there's already a cure available that will keep you alive long enough for scientists to find a cure for the prostate cancer that you get 10 years after you fixed your Alzheimer's. Lots of promising treatments are in clinical trials right now, but the whole process takes about 15 years from lab to market. It's a slow, gradual process, and just because some people alive today will live to 200 doesn't mean that you will be one of those people.
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>>13758757
What was the goal? What is it now?
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>>13750117
SCIENTIST SAY WE WILL BE IMMORTAL BY 2045
https://youtu.be/DCvUUycZjYA
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>>13758709
looks like my ex with a roboarm
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Already happening OP
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>>13750117
>How likely are we to find the cure to old age in our lifetime?

Easy to do, BUT it requires that you regularly kill your identical twin.

Just clone yourself every 20 years and harvest/transplant the clone's body parts to yourself.
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>>13759555
> harvest/transplant the clone's body parts to yourself.
A retarded idea. First of all, it raises risks to die on an operation table. Second, the scar tissue doesn't make things prettier. Third, there's no way you can transplant all the skin, for example. Fourth, brain gets old too.
I take genetic therapies, thank you very much.
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>>13759577
>A retarded idea

No, the only idea that we know will work 100% of the time. Your body will not reject itself and you can 'easily' replace any and all organs that need it. If you can do a complete brain transplant then get a new fresh body every 20 years. If you can do a neural lace wireless interface, keep the brains of each clone interconnected and go with one one working body and many connected minds of 'you' (similar to "The Divine Shadow" from Lexx
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>>13750117
What is the point of life when there is the absence of death?
Life ceases to have meaning.

Akin to a heaven or paradise that wouldn't exist without its partner hell.
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>>13759613
>will work 100% of the time
>nobody dies at operation table even during minor operations
I kinda doubt it. Surgery is barbarianism anyway.
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>>13759948
Measure your iq and know your place.
Your arguments are just retarded.
Function doesn't become null if it's infinite.
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>>13750117
Everyone here needs to work on it. Major in Biochemistry guys!
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2040.
>t. 160 IQ WAIS IV
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>>13760434
This.
I cringed so hard reading his post. Some people cannot realize how pitiful they look when they try to be "spiritual" and "deep" at their low level.
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>>13760499
>>13760434
Lol. "muh meaning"
How are people this retarded? I swear it's always the 80 IQ brainlets who bring in these nonsense arguments
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>>13760499
They're just brainwashed by the military faggots who need them to die in wars when the clerks think that we have too many passianate youth.
I wonder why not a single teacher gave them the gift of thinking, the skill to question their own beliefs, the game of arguing their own points, because that would be obvious that neither Leonardo's nor Maxwell's death gave meanings to their lives. Even Breivik's wouldn't, but we kinda remember his victims because the best thing they did was dying.
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>>13760518
The funny thing about that "eternal question" about the meaning of life is that the question itself is fucked-up: meaning is the answer to "what it is" while that question implies "what is it for?" question. So that cognitive dissonance also doesn't help. Not that otherwise they would immediately recognize that life is movement (and it's arbitrary where you draw the line between alive and not alive) and the goal of that process each of us have to find for ourselves (but physiologically it's two sided coin of getting pleasures and avoiding sufferings, and those who forget about the other side may get trapped into some form of addiction, while there are plenty of pleasures which bring along bonuses instead of backlashes)
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>>13760521
Your post is beautiful, I fell in love
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>>13760559
>muh meaning of life

Our instincts tell us to survive and reproduce at all costs and that's it. It's a biological function that exists because the alternative automatically removes itself from existence. Life extension is just the fulfillment of that survival instinct. If fertility rates keep dropping we will have to counter it with extended lifespans or else humanity is fucked.
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>>13760446
sorry im too stupid to be a researcher
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>>13760499
Pink needs to shave her arms.
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>>13759948
you are just an absolute retard npc
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>>13750117
There is no cure, but you can maximize your long-term health and slow down aging to a large degree through proper nutrition

>eat a low-fat diet
>don't eat fried food, period, frying rapidly oxidizes food, creating unstable trans fatty acids
>drink tons of water, spring or filtered with electrolytes added
>eat a plant-based diet, you'll naturally give yourself tons of antioxidants like bioflavonoids, anthocynanins, etc etc only found in plant foods.
>cont'd - The goal is to minimize toxic load via oxidization, which causes aging by shortening your telomeres, but rather flood the cells with nutritious, wholesome foods with a much lessened toxic load
>try to eat mostly raw foods, as these have the highest concentrations of micronutrients
>sprout any grains you eat before consumption
>don't eat fast "food", period
>grow things yourself and measure their energy units with kirlian photography

It sounds hippie as hell, but it works. Pic rel is an 80 year old raw vegan woman.
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>>13761232
>which causes aging by shortening your telomeres
stopped reading right here.
Look up how telomeres work and which cells have telomerase and why that isnt always good
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>>13761363
>stopped reading right here.
Then enjoy being a fat retarded cripple
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>>13750440
Just because a hook-nosed dogfucker who smells like dog cum and a manface tranny fugly fuckface "think" that he wants to fuck them doesn't mean he "really" wants to fuck them. Everyone says retarded shit when drunk. Fugly stinky cunts must get over themselves and know their place. It's more believable to say that the tranny and the zoophile raped Aubrey than the other way around.
>>13750568
>>13750664
Those fugly creeps aren't "qts" by any means.
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>>13750117
assuming we cure old age, how will WE calculate the new aging process?, if you know what i mean. feel free to rephrase my question.
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>>13750117
There is some real progress in this field right now.

In a nutshell: oxidative stress, radiation, and replication errors cause two main problems. Mutations, and loss of epigenetic markers such as histone modifications or DNA mehylation.
This causes a lower efficiency in telomer regrowth via telomerase, contributing to the shortening of telomers; and it also causes euchromatinisation in non coding regions allowing transposon sequences to be transcribed.
The latest literature shows transposon activation not only is mutagenic, but strongly contributes to further transposon activation making it an exponrntial mutagenic process; and the streile inflamation associated with high transposon activity causes many of the physiological aspects of ageing.
That is to say the key mechanism of ageing is transposon activation, which is largely determined by anything that causes euchromatinisation of non coding regions.

A recent brakethrough is that we can now replicate the epigenetic code during pcr, allowing us to analyse it more effectively. We are gaining a decent understanding of the epigenetic mechanisms envolved in transposon activation, and therefore the key mechanism of ageing.
(my curent research has me predicting the death of people 80+ years old based on DNA data)
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>>13761475
>(my curent research has me predicting the death of people 80+ years old based on DNA data)
Is it possible to just slow down aging by making people more colder? Like crygenic freezing..
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>>13761482
That is actually an interesting idea. I don't know if lower temperature would do for human what it does for small organisms i worked with. In most organisms i worked with it decreases the rate at which cells replicate. If it does the same for humans it would decrease the rate at which we age. Unfortunatly it would also cause alot of other problems.
Our best bet for now is to get a full understanding of epigenetics and try to artificially silence transposons. Line-1 elements specifically.
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>>13761452
Biological age can be calculated by looking at biomarkers in the body while chronological age is just the amount of time you have been alive.

Hence why some chronological 70yos look like biological 50yos while some chronological 50yos look like 70s.
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>>13760863
Caveat: our instincts tell us to evolve.

Any form of technophobia for the sake of "meaning" is just myopic. Is it not possible that after achieving pic related, that after a million eons some gigasupernova, Boltzmann brain-tier probability or otherwise occurs and everything resets? Everything will die eventually.
Therefore I don't think immortality is incompatible with religion/afterlife, since true immortality in this material sense is impossible.
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>>13761363
>Look up.. which cells have telomerase and why that isnt always good
oh, boy, that is such a retarded argument, and such a good indicator of complete retards unfit for scientific career:
> cancer cells produce telomerase
> thus telomerase causes cancer
which is retarded beyond belief coming from some well-educated mouthes.
All the data shows that telomeres lengthening actually prevents cancer.
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>>13750117
No one can answer this for you. Likely if we cured one part of aging it would cause cancer elsewhere...
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>>13761831
>Likely
Stop speaking out of your ass. We don't have to guess, we have some facts telling us the opposite of what you assume.
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In our lifetime I'd say it's unlikely. I think it's definitely possible though simply because of the equifinality of it: there are so many paths to explore to arrive at that same destination of indefinite lifespans. Personally I think that if the Bush presidency, 9/11, and the Global Financial Crisis didn't happen and there wasn't this weird anti-white, anti-western civilization style mindset proliferating, I'd say we could have had it in our lifetime (or at least testable prototypes to extend lifespans such that "our lifetime" would mean something very different than it does now). Even though progress is being made, as a civilization we're more concerned with landing a black transgender person in MIT, than landing a man on Mars. Not in a literal sense, but you get what I mean. Our priorities as a species are fucked.
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>>13761925
>Personally I think... (some political crap)
Now think about how all that matters (it doesn't. nobody important worked in those buildings)
MIT doesn't matter. MIC doesn't matter. Mars is just a coverup to prepare for asteroid mining which has just begun.
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>>13750117
>can't cure cancer
>can't cure autoimmune
>can just barely treat serious trauma
>can't cure cardiomyopathy
But we'll surely be immortal in no time, right boys?
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>>13762088
>cancer
>autoimmune
Both of those are literally just eat a better diet bro.

The only reason we don't teach people about it is because there's too many fuckers on the planet and the powers that be want that number cut down
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>>13762116
>>>/x/
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>>13762088
>>can't cure cancer
>>can't cure autoimmune
Both of these are unironically cured by thc. The former takes high doses of the concentrated oil, the latter can be cured by simply smoking it.
>>can just barely treat serious trauma
There is a huge difference between absolute immortality (as any absolute it is theoretically impossible) and biologic immortality, not only theoretically possible, but also occurs in reality.
>>can't cure cardiomyopathy
I've never heard about this disease until today, but as it is all about muscles, my wild guess is that follistatine may help. And looking for those two words together made me think that my guess is probably correct.
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>>13762173
You are a useless human being.
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>>13762185
What exactly caused your butthurt?
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>>13750117
>How likely are we to find the cure to old age in our lifetime
we who nigger? it already exists
>>13761957
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>>13762196
You'll seriously see when you grow up.
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>>13762155
"Doctors" and some "scientists" don't want to admit it, because it's not
>le complexxxx
enough, but it's a fact you can cure any cancer with diet alone. Those millions of people who die from cancer? That's because as I stated, TPTB want depopulation. That's why they're pushing the vaccine btw.
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>>13761794
>All the data shows that telomeres lengthening actually prevents cancer.
l m a o
And which cells would that be exactly?
You know stem cells already have telomerase and dont undergo telomere shortening, or are you one of those freaks who thinks differentiated cells need even less checkpoints completely disregarding that most cancers appear in high turn over rate tissue such as the skin and lower GI-tract.
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>>13762208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1CE4P8qqPE
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>>13762228
>And which cells would that be exactly?
To my knowledge, all of them. According to this tiny book I read (unavailable on amazon, but available on libgen)
>are you one of those freaks who thinks differentiated cells need even less checkpoints
I demand more information on those freaks, because I have no idea what you just said.
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>>13762267
And there we go. A book made by quacks for quacks with 0 knowledge of cell biology.
I bet you cant even recognise, let alone name, the different epithelial cells when you see them.
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>>13762284
Reddit, it's that way
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>>13762303
Kek are you an actual teenager or just stunted?
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>>13750117
The good news is, we've found a cure for old age.
The bad news? It's a vaccine.
> Watches the antivaxxers vapor lock
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>>13761757
It will take literally trillions of years before it becomes impossible to sustain life in our universe.

Humanity's biggest threat is itself, not the universe. Our bodies are soft, weak and programmed to slowly decay and die after we hit 25. Once we fix that we will have plenty of time to figure out how to evolve into artifical beings and escape our solar system.
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>>13762284
> has an opinion
> on the book he never read
> on people he never heard of
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>>13762334
>can only strawman
>for a subject he doesn’t understand
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>>13758135
>Imagine having another america.
God, fuck, no, anything but that
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>>13762173
>>13762116
>dude WEED lmao bro just DAB THAT BLUNT LMAO
>eat these meme supplements too!
so this is the power of anti-aging cultists, we're dealing with serious scientists here
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>>13762173
>never heard about a basic bitch common condition
>continues to blab on his worthless, uneducated midwit mouth about concepts he's too dumb to comprehend
go on, tell me more about telomeres and epigenetics
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>>13762366
So THAT is what caused you butthurt. Drink your artificially brewed piss and don't forget to feel superior trusting the government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzhCohJwpBE
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>>13762373
> telomeres
something we understand and can work with even in humans
> epigenetics
something we better not touch at this level of understanding.
Now it's your turn. Educate me (not a specialist, indeed) and everyone around you itt.
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>>13762173
>these are the type of people that are on my board
Holy shit I think even reddit is better.
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>>13762493
What anon, haven't heard of the miracle drug?

>have a headache?
Smoke some pot
>have arthritis?
Smoke some pot
>have cancer?
Smoke some pot
>dick don't work?
Smoke some pot
>have brain damage?
Smoke some pot
>schizophrenic?
Smoke some pot
>amputee?
Smoke some pot
>your wife and her lover fucking in your bed?
Smoke some pot
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>>13762493
>>13762501
> a retard triggered
Smoke some pot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr5E52sPVik
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>>13762493
and there you should return (your meaningless offtopic personal remarks will not raise your rating here)
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>>13750522
Thats going to be a thing. Japan will definitely authorize "adult children"
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>>13762750
Imagine having all these powers and not being old too!
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>>13755612
Has anyone done their Myostatin inhibition therapy? I am interested in theory but not in practice.
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>>13763599
These two did it publicly, I know there are others, I don't know them by name though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJwOqdlQ2ZM
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>>13750117
Heh not going to happen, apart for the ultra rich. Everyone is so fucking freaked out when you experiment with humans. Unless it's backed by said ultra rich like trans, but that's more because it's lucrative business from mentally challenged.
>>13757477
Dingdingding, we have a winner.
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>>13763654
>Heh not going to happen, apart for the ultra rich.
I bet you consider yourself very smart considering successful people evil. As if you are not ultra rich yourself because you're oh so good to be bothered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxO9l8_UEuw
>Everyone is so fucking freaked out when you experiment with humans.
That's why we should skip the experiment part and go directly to practice. Because the experimentations have already been done (without your honorable permission)
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>>13750431
look up any recent papers published by ivy league universities and you'll see most of the authors are non-white immigrants
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>>13750117
I hope so and I hope it's widely available and affordable and not something only for the ultra wealthy. I'm not religious and I believe this is the only life so the prospect of oblivion is pretty scary for me.
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>>13759948
Death will still exist. Just not of old age.
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>>13763654
>Unless it's backed by said ultra rich like trans, but that's more because it's lucrative business from mentally challenged.
Trannies arent worth considering in terms of money. They don’t make much, and have been doing this stuff since ancient times with just some horse piss and a knife. The redpill is that it would be a LOT more profitable to have trannies transition late - in their 30’s-40’s when they will require multiple surgeries. Hormones are literally pennies on the dollar, and estrogen is produced for post menopausal women, not even for trannies.
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>>13764456
..and it shows
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScJNE0alsaQ
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>>13760601
Even though I pretend not to care, you made my heart melt. Thank you for that approval, I didn't know I needed it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_aix5kIORI
(hey, niggers, did you see the video before this one? Not this one, before this one)
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>>13763640
Any pictures of their physiques? Where is all the data? Before vs After. No way you try out experimental gene therapy tech and don't document the changes.
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>>13767786
https://www.integrated-health-systems.com/blog/new-telomere-length-results-a-2018-update-by-liz-parrish/
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Unironically? 0%
Most of western countries are predicted to be minority white by the end of the century, doesn't take a genius to see that such an outcome will result in the complete degradation of scientific and technological progress .
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>The telomeric region of DNA does not code for any protein; it is simply a repeated code on the end region of linear eukaryotic chromosomes. After many divisions, the telomeres reach a critical length and the cell becomes senescent. It is at this point that a cell has reached its Hayflick limit.

Solution: CRISPR the telomeres copying the same sequence of code after each mitosis.

Or since DNA is lost after each repplication, find a way to protect mitosis process from damaging.

I have just solved inmortality.
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>>13769764
> predicted to be minority white by the end of the century
haha! they are going to be minority human by the end of the century
>>13769924
based slowpoke
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>>13771515
Kek
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>>13750117
We'll never find immortality, brain transplants maybe.
Upload to the matrix maybe.
Cancer will always be around.
I reckon we're really close to a cure for dementia though. That'll bump our life expectancy to around 100years old at least.
The world will collapse once we live beyond 100.
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>>13772962
>The world will collapse once we live beyond 100.
This is the most ridiculous sentence of all your stack of nonsense. Do you at least mind to rationalize this one, because for whatever reason I want to peek into your casual insanity, just to try and understand the regular retards' thinking processes.
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I feel it's a good time to invest. I wish I knew how to invest (but whenever I try to teach myself about it, it damages my creativity part by taking its domains in my head with all that mercantile stuff.
I guess I better pour all my money into my own scientific project to get rich this way or at least spend my time doing something valuable instead of waiting when my money grow.
But gush I feel like it's just right time to invest in all that.
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>>13776316
Hi, could you give me some money? I'll make you immortal in 10 years
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>>13776442
Why do I pay you if in 10 years I will be able to make myself immortal like everyone else when it is few grands per infusion?
Don't take my moaning seriously, I simply wanted to bump the thread by noticing that "if you know of that from a newspaper, it's too late to invest" and it seems that journalists just didn't catch up. But I would appreciate if somebody directed me towards a comprehensible guide how to invest into young companies if you never did that before.
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>>13750136
Ok what if I freeze my body in liquid nitrogen until this shit gets invented, do I have a chance to become immortal? I don't wanna die
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>>13773104
Care to explain how we'll support the 25% population increase when everyone lives beyond 83avg to 105?
Care to explain how economically we can pay the pension for all of these people?
Just because we live to 105 doesn't mean we are fit and able.
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>>13776675
You have better chances to become immortal if you don't squash your cells with those ice crystals. We don't know if we'll reanimate those icecreams, and biologic immortality is probably invented already. Make some business to get rich instead to increase your chances of getting it in time. Or maybe just relax and do something great (they will do their best to make it available for everybody to avoid causing social turmoils)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmJqDfdGmV4
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>>13776697
>how economically we can pay the pension
Why would you care to pay the pensions when nobody gets old or sick? Considering how much of a fraud our pension systems are, you can raise the pension age to 70 and sheeple won't raise a brow. Either way, imagine being able to solve aging and feeling jeopardized by some legal made up crap. Ah, yeah, people like you would never solve aging in the first place. Peace out.
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>>13776697
>Just because we live to 105 doesn't mean we are fit and able.
The idea is to make the oldmen fit and able. You just don't follow.
They're not torturers to keep people sick and in pain longer. Their goal is to make the old folks brand new.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87OUb8TBwX0
and a report on some previous generation of biotech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUCJo1j0S9s
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>Now, if you are healthy what do you die of? You don't.
So we now challenge the next frontier: eliminating the non-biologic or unnatural death factors. Some say of nanobots as the next step:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFZr2LTTNS8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=isRaHszrPc4
But I would take bigger brains (some ai-powered brains knowing all the languages and understands all the sciences and able to explain it to the rest of my brains) before I take those nanobots, I don't want to be enslaved by some nanobots, possibility of which was also preicted, so I'll wait until they learn how to take them out of it, so I'd hide in a space-capsule of reinforced concrete and gardens to step-by-step becoming autonomous of this world and then archivng all the civilization we have online on your own servers in bunkers you buy or build as you live, thus evolving from a human into an arc, integrated into the servers with my own neural system, that would be some paradise and heaven and hell you may play wherever you want, but don't forget that people around you are also about to evolve into some demigods or demiurks. Everybody's going to watch all around them, crime would become less likely to happen, police should be transfered to some other jobs: when cars are autopilot, road police are to reeducated into road-workers, until the robots are coming. Then we all rest and enjoy our technically enhanced evolution. And the space will be explored by drones. Who needs to get eradiated by the space when you can see he same picture and feels similar emotions when you emulate weightlessness by laying in an artificial womb not being annoyed by lack of drink and hold of pee the way we insanely don't support the flow of the river of life through our bodies. We live in an arbitrary (non-perfect) world and if we make it perfect, maybe we don't even need the gene-editing that much because we just don't brake, not even a little, we won't need telomerase, if somatic cells don't divide because they don't damage.
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>>13776697
Are you fucking retarded? You do realize the western world and any other country that's developed is having the problem of diminished birth rates, coupled with an exceedingly large senior population who disproportionately taxes the health systems and government pensions.

If more people are biologically young, the burden on the infrastructure goes down considerably, less people are retiring, higher economic output and tax revenue being generated.
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Why does he look like a homeless person?
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>>13778453
He's an eccentric Harrovian gent.
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What happens to your consciousness when you're frozen?
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>>13750117
>wanting to live forever
ngmi
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>>13779440
It probably goes to the limbo. Just kidding, you're not allowed to freeze people alive, so they are unconscious already when they get frozen.
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>>13762750
imortality will probably happen after governments die out and everything is just decentralized smart chain based society
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>>13777328
those are literally just bits of metal that are moved around with MRI magnets
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>>13750117
Next to zero. We will be able to maybe extend it a few decades, but at the moment, it seems the average upper limit of human lifespan is around 115.
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>>13781914
stop masturbating, anon, it damages your eyesight
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>>13781965
>it seems
It seems wrong
https://twitter.com/aubreydegrey/status/1371196809595346950
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>>13784433
> I now think there is a 50% chance that we will reach longevity escape velocity by 2036.
Wtf, I now think there is a 50% chance that we have reached longevity escape velocity with all those genetic therapies and such.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1zr6JsS5t8
It would be nice to have a road map of what he thinks we're lackin. Ah, yeah, here it is:
https://www.lifespan.io/road-maps/the-rejuvenation-roadmap/
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>>13784554
> telomerase and klotho are only in the 2nd stage
> the 2nd stage is preclinical in vivo
Does it mean that almost everything in the list is available, but just not approved?





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