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Finnish Translated Space Archive
https://archive.org/details/finnish-translated-space-archive
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Reposting from prev:
For some reason, spaceintelreport.com is free for the next 7 days. It usually costs $1000/year (its for executives not us plebs).
I'm going through the articles trying to find some juicy info, would be nice if other anons search too.
>apparently starlink terminal used to cost $3000
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>>13640112
sounds sketchy
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People only think there might be bacteria on Mars because we see bacteria in ""extreme"" places on Earth so it seems robust, but Earth is warm and wet and has a thick atmosphere. People can't accept that the conditions of Mars aren't simply unfavorable, but are in fact sterilizing.
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>>13640121
Life finds a way.
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>>13640124
this is earth bias
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>>13640112
Mostly information from closed conferences which becomes public after few weeks. Nothing juicy yet. Found this old Bob Smith interview from 2018 though
Bob Smith on ULA's parents :
>What I mean by that is: How much do they really want to be in the launch industry? I don’t know.
> We’ve made our first flight part for New Glenn
this was back in 2018 kek.
>We’re going to be very patient
yeahh
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOFyRBsP-YY
I'M PROOONTING
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>>13640112
>Uplink speeds of 30-35 mbps in isolated areas are likely to be 15-20 mbps in areas with many OneWeb users
OneWeb lost before it even begin kek
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>>13640138
cool fruit plate
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>>13640151
This is what happens when you use cuckcrete instead of basalt.
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>>13640138
I wonder why they are using 3d printers also to build walls of the tanks. I know that 3d printing is good for prototyping and may be good technique for making engines and some piping, but why they wouldn't make upper and lower part of the tanks and just wield a rolled sheet of metal into walls of the tank? That would be much quicker...
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>>13640156
how will you get investor money if you do what others are doing?
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>>13640159
makes some sense, especially, if they are planning to make 'mini-starship' too...
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>>13640151
vacuum ready
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>>13640151
looks like a somebody hired a flock of condors to print their house
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>>13640151
>https://youtu.be/WBrXErFMfR8?t=2
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>>13640156
because they want to appeal to 3d printer purists
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>>13640156
Well you'll never know how far a new technology can be pushed if you just accept older and more developed processes for convenience. If your goal is to push forward AM tech as far as it can be pushed, then substituting rolled sheet walls would defeat the whole purpose of the project. Relativity want to PROOONT a rogget, that might work or it might not, but at the very least they're trying to do it with every part possible. Basically this >>13640168 too, their unique feature is PROOONTing, so if they don't PROOONT interest would probably wane.
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so lot's of animals make good use of the visible part of the EM spectrum but why havven't any developed antenna for radio? Antennas seems simpler than eyes (lenses + array of light sensor)
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3d printers are new and kinda popular in the poptech crowd but really for most production molding, deformation and substractive methods are superior
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>>13640090
Reminder that we need to maintain momentum and ask hard questions like: What can and should be achieved in the 2020s and 2030s?
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>>13640179
>pop-
Thanks for exposing yourself as a gibbering retard
3d printing is not, and has never fucking been for production, you shit eating favela monkey
Its for rapid prototyping since building tooling is fucking expensive in time and money
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>>13640176
you can buy metal tubes of this diameter for very low price, they're probably extruded but even if you made it on a lathe out of a giant ingot of alu it would still be cheaper than proonting.
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Did any /sfg/ anons submit janny applications?
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>>13640187
Relativity proonts baffles, structural supports, mount points, etc. into their tanks which dramatically reduces the number of manufacturing tasks necessary.
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>>13640187
With proonting, you could proont tiny Cryo tubes along the tank instead of tiles.
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>>13640193
Yes, I wrote about how I will moderate /sfg/.
Rejected with the message -
>Please apply again after we create a new board for /sfg/ next month.
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>>13640138
>yet another video
good to see that relativity is spending so much of that hard-raised cash on advertising
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>>13640242
Based Europa poster
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>>13640242
Like it or not, this strategy is working out so far for them.
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>>13640176
I wonder, assuming everything will work out, if they could rescale parts of rocket on demand. Make tank little higher or lower, change engine's parameters dependent on launch specifications.
SpaceX was famous for changing something after every launch, until everything was good enough. With 3D PRONTING, this could be taken to another new level.
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>>13640252
>this strategy is working out so far for them.
If the goal is to keep raising money and keep /sfg/ talking about them, I completely agree.
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>>13640242
My friend printed one of these to keep his keys in but it's thin as fuck and not very good.
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>>13640242
i don’t think relativity will succeed as a launch company but it’s not like what they develop and learn regarding proonting can’t be applied to other avenues. i don’t get the seething from people here about them
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>>13640260
I'm not seeing much besides attracting venture capital out of them, no.
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>>13640187
You *can* but how does that advance the field of additive manufacture? Do you lack reading comprehension or something? I'd assume if Relativity just wanted to do what was cheapest and easiest with already existing technology that they would just do that, instead they're trying to push a relatively immature technology that might yield more benefits once it's fully developed.
We already have SpaceX pushing the economy of scale, factory line production end of rocketry to drive cost down, it's good that other companies are pushing on other fronts like developing new manufacturing techniques.
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>>13640264
What other avenues? They are undeniably the world leader in printing aluminum cans but that's it.
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>>13640264
Because proonting is a classic /sfg/ argument and it has secularized the general into two extremes: those who think it’s the next big thing and those who are on a crusade to prove it will fail. I think it’s a tech worth exploring personally and I agree with the sentiment that even if relativity fails it’s still worth it to see if you can at least print pressure vessels and entire engines
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Are cloud cities on Venus actually possible within the next few decades or is it just a reddit meme? How would such a colony deal with the atmosphere and ionising radiation?
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>>13640278
Proonting doesn't work according to Astra.
You know what else doesn't work? astra's rockets ha ha ha
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>>13640279
They're very possible, just not very useful.
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>>13640279
They are possible today, although getting astronauts back alive would be tricky (Venus' gravity well is pretty much the same as Earth's meaning you would need to air launch rockets from zeppelins to get back in LVO) Atmosphere and ionizing radiation is a meme you don't need to worry about it. There would be no real purpose to it though the colony would never, ever be self sufficient. It would be purely scientific and at that point it would just be easier to do a manned orbiting Starship space station and not even bother entering deeper into the gravity well
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>>13640296
Fair enough lad. There's fuck all natural resources to extract from Venus, just acidic clouds, rocks, lava and heat. Like a shittier Portsmouth.
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>>13640256
It seems like that would be a good idea to me, one of the things prooonting has been best used for so far is iterative design because you can knock out individual units quickly, test them, make a change, rinse and repeat. They claim that at full speed they'll be able to prooont a rogget every two months, and with a pace like that destructive testing and iteration could help them to rapidly arrive at a highly optimal final design.
>>13640278
In their favor so far, they've already prooonted and fired an engine the Aeon-1 (500 test shots), and have a fitted out assembly site with actual evidence that they've been designing, prooonting, and assembling vehicles. They've made enormous progress so far considering that their company is only six years old, compared to Jeff Who? and Body Odor which have no rocket at all except a slopped together copy of Starhopper, an otherwise empty warehouse with tools they threw out, a rocket to nowhere with a hydrologgs engine that has no purpose, and another engine that melts it's own turbopumps to show for 21 years of work.
I think Relativity are much more comparable to SpaceX in terms of achievement and pace than one would initially give them credit for, SpaceX took 12 years to go from startup to Falcon 9, and Relativity seem to be aiming for the same kind of pace, with TerranR planned to launch in 2024.
I like TerranR, Zubmeme will finally get his mini Starship.
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>>13640304
Here, in case you've never seen this
https://youtu.be/0az7DEwG68A?t=36
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>>13640276
if you can’t think of commercial avenues for higher quality printing in a wider variety of materials, especially in manufacturing, i can’t help you. Here’s a hint, though: a sizeable chunk of remaining heavy industry in the united states is manufacturing specialized parts for domestic machinery faster and with higher tolerances than you could from china.
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>>13640304
venus is the detroit of the solar system
earth is cleveland
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>>13640315
Yeah I was of the mindset that printing was gay (see, classic posts such as >>13640151) but relativity's tanks are actually pretty gosh dang impressive. They look cohesive and assuming they can actually hold high chamber pressures and bring a payload to orbit that's a real game changer. Will it change the entire industry? Nah. But it will have proved that printing aerospace grade structures is possible and that tech could be matured in space to manufacture giant fucking things in orbit.
Imagine a starship bringing up a giant printer, building out a giant ferry ship in space, pressurizing it with atmosphere and fuel and having an absolutely ENORMOUS ship
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>>13640315
>Zubmeme will finally get his mini Starship.
yes
also damn that nigga is tiny
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>>13640321
What's the Houston of space?
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>>13640334
houston
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>>13640334
Deimos
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>>13640327
Those are pretty much my thoughts on it, although I'm a bit more of a prooonting shill because I want a career in AM/CAD so I have a vested personal interest in and thus bias in favor of prooonting. Relativity aren't big enough to overturn the industry like what SpaceX is doing right now but their work will significantly develop additive manufacture for aerospace applications, even if the overall project of getting Terran R flying fails, they have already passed a huge hurdle by proving you can prooont and successfully fire a functional rocket engine.
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>>13640319
If you think Relativity is developing printing for those applications, I can’t help you. They’re tuning a can printer. The technology for what you mentioned has already been developed by industry. Thinking that Relativity’s proonting tech will magically generalize is just what they want you to think, and it shows their self-promotion has been working.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWLyY2Pbc10
Russian stream of OneWeb launch
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>>13640341
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p-DA0zvuQ8
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>>13640341
Good point, there ARE a lot of aliens here
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>>13640349
time will be the arbiter of truth-in a few years they'll either be flying advanced printed reusable rockets or they won't
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>>13640112
How do you delete the account? I made it cause you posted but its useless shit that I already knew
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>>13640349
Prooonting cans is pretty important for rocketry, since a rocket is pretty much 95% by volume can and maybe 5% pipes, engines, avionics, RCS, etc.
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>>13640321
America is the Florida of the world
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>>13640121

If that were true you wouldn't have nasa delaying shit just so they can sterilise all the probes being sent there idiot

nasa should suck a dick. send a balloon filled with swampmuck to the mars surface and you'd probably see shit growing after a few years
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>>13640355
Ultimately this is the only real answer to the Relativity question. In that sense they've succeeded in their framing of the problem
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>>13640351
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN4u2ubUJH0

Arianespace stream, scheduled to start in about 45 minutes.
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>>13640138
I'M GONNA

I'M GONNA PROOOOONT
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>>13640376
Boy you really think I'm going to watch some fruity Ariane stream over the kino Pocкocмoc stream??
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>>13640382
You're not the only person in /sfg/
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>>13640385
Right, most people aren't going to watch either stream
>Obsolete satellite on obsolete rocket
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What asteroid/moon will be the penal colony/space australia of the solar system?
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>>13640392
the Moon
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>>13640392
Mars
Deep gravity well, making it hard to escape
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>>13640390
I got two screens.
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>>13640398
...what
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>>13640395
Correct, and later comes independence.
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>>13640401
Mars has a deeper gravity well compared to moon and asteroids. So it would be harder for the prisoners to escape.
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>>13640392
Triton.
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>>13640410
Oh gotcha. But like regardless you would need a rocket in any of those scenarios. Lol not like you and your prison buddies are going to build one and fuel it up in secret. If you hijack a rocket you have a rocket, simple as.
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Reminder, no negative repercussion has come from the leaked ULA emails.
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>>13640418
You can literally jump off most asteroids though.
And much smaller spacecraft for moon compared to Mars.
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>>13640419
And reminder that outside of us interested in space nobody cares about it. People don't even know what a "ULA" is.
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>>13640392
Australia.
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>>13640419
Nothing illegal. That's what lobbyists do all day. Erica Burger tried to make it an issue but it didn't quite takeoff..
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>>13640428
>>13640431
In the previous leaked ULA audio, ULA CEO was fired the next day. McCain made a big commotion about it in the senate. ULA was forced to abandon Russian made engines for their Atlas V rockets.
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>>13640424
You can but where are you going to go from there? It would take literal decades of drifting to reach any other inhabited asteroid at such a speed, if not centuries, even a futuristic vacuum suit with days worth of air recycling capacity would just prolong an increasingly horrific psychologically tormenting death, or you know, you get spotted by a telescope and a prison pod is launched to come scoop you back up.
Really anywhere in space is perfect for a prison, to actually travel safely to any gravitationally significant body or anywhere livable is already prohibitively resource intensive for any single or small group of human beings.
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>>13640435
The leaked audio was much more juicy than this. Have your listened to it? It was mostly anti ULA, unlike this.
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>>13640435
Imagine if Tory Bruno were to be fired
How different would the world be?
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>>13640438
I go to my friend's spaceship waiting above. Don't you have friends, anon?
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>>13640450
>asteroid prisonbreak
kino, would watch
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>>13640262
should have went for thicker layers. Must have been saving his expensive filament
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>>13640444
The leaked email had them saying NASA leadership incompetent for allowing SpaceX to compete. The anti-SpaceX campaign/collusion to call on union workers of another industry. Calling NASA's decisions as politically motivated by Trump favoring Musk.

These are just as juicy if not more as the leaked audio from Tobey.
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i hope roscosmos gets more funding i like them
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>>13640444
post audio and more company leaks
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>land on mars
>open door to step outside
>see this
what do?
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>>13640482
Looks like devilry.
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>land on Titan
>open door to step outside
>see this
what do?
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>>13640503
This reminds me of that scene in
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>>13640392
In LEO as was foretold
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>>13640482
Based and Beksiński-Pilled. Now I want some autistic game, where you explore paranormal places, that defy the laws of physics and rules of basic geometry.

>land on Venus
>open door to step outside
>you see some soviet capsule with skeletors inside
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>Dive under Europa's ice sheets in a sub
>open door to swim outside
>see this
what do?
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>>13640482
start to wonder who put hallucinogens into my freeze dried ice cream
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>>13640511
Turn 360 degrees and swim away.
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>>13640506
yikes the frictional losses on that would suck, you'd want a thing like that a 1000 klicks up
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el goblino del espacio
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Beksinki's and Hans Giger's art have such a weird appeal to me. I don't know if it because I watched some animes with similar themes as a kid, or I'm just fucked up in the same way as they are
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>>13640529
Giger made awesome art. The guy was truly unique.
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>>13640537
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>>13640392
Earth, obviously
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>>13640526
strikes me as a sociopath
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>>13640482
Looks pretty comfy inside. I'm going in.
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>>13640526
i'm pretty sure that's photoshoped, he doesn't look like that in any other pictures
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>>13640551
kek
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WE GAAN
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we have smirnoff
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>>13640351
nighttime drone shots of liftoff are kino!
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What's Starship's dry mass?
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>>13640577
topkek
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>>13640112
>apparently starlink terminal used to cost $3000
Are these official statements from spacex or is someone leaking them?
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I'M GONNA STAAAAAAAAAAAGE
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NOOOOOOOO
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>the low-fi commentary
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>>13640576
>>13640577
>>13640588
>>13640591
What are you talking about?
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>>13640607
The Onewebb launch in progress, dummy.
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>>13640607
https://youtu.be/jWLyY2Pbc10
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>>13640607
>>13640613
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>>13640270
>You *can* but how does that advance the field of additive manufacture?
How does that help us get to orbit?
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>>13640626
Are you capable of thinking on your own without a youtuber condensing ideas into short video format?
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>>13640636
relativity is not gonna make it and their founders radiate soi, proontfaggots need to get machined
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>>13640654
On the other hand, they have managed to pick up SpaceX veterans.
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>>13640654
NIGGA no one is rooting for them as a prime launcher. They do radiate soi but not as much as Astra, and they have not shown signs of scamming (at least yet). They have already advanced additive manufacturing for aerospace and even if they fail they have at least advanced the field one step more.
If terran r ends up working that is just a bonus—and a big one at that. Isogrid fags need to stop cheering oldspace ways of building rockets
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>>13640636
wut?
I'm not the guy you were replying to before.
Seriously if you think that proonting for proonting sake is a good idea, you're the one who has problems.
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>>13640392
Urf, obviously. Dirtsnifers are already criminal in principle.
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>>13640626
Oh idunno, how could rapid metal prototyping and the formation of homogeneous single-piece structures too complicated for machining, or incorporating multiple different alloys of different metals while minimizing the need for brazing or bolting large pieces together could POSSIBLY be useful in rocketry?
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>>13640675
Dude, if you want to launch rockets, make a rocket company.
If you want to "advance the field" of proonting, then start a proonting company and stay the fuck away from launching roggets. You don't make a rocket company for the purpose of advancing 3d printing.
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>>13640682
Why not both?
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>>13640673
That was my first time joining in on the conversation
>if you think that proonting for proonting sake is a good idea, you're the one who has problems.
if you think that propulsively landing rockets for propulsive landing sake is a good idea, you're the one who has problems.
if you think that staging rockets for delta v sake is a good idea, you're the one who has problems.
if you think that building a boat to leave the cave for exploration sake is a good idea, you're the one who has problems.
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>>13640186
You're the gibbering retard; You're agreeing with that anon and you're too fucking dense to realise it
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>>13640694
Yes. You're making nonsensical analogies.
Would attempting to propulsively land SLS be a good idea?
Would creating a hundred stage rocket be a good idea?
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>>13640698
You missed my point entirely
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>>13640682
>Dude if you want to launch rockets make a rocket company, if you want to "advance the field" of large scale production then start a car company and stack the fuck away from launching rockets! You don't make a rocket company for the purpose of advancing large scale production.
Kill yourself, oldspace fag, space is only hard for you because your brain is solidified like a block of concrete, which is what makes you incapable of conceiving how new developing technologies or technologies originally devised in other fields might contribute to spaceflight not only in the present but also in the near and middle future.
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>>13640702
No, your point just wasn't a good one. Not all things are worth doing.
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https://interestingengineering.com/the-dod-wants-companies-to-build-nuclear-propulsion-systems-for-deep-space-missions
>Solar power doesn't cut it in deep space.
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>>13640694
>if you think that propulsively landing rockets for propulsive landing sake is a good idea, you're the one who has problems.
And who was doing that? SpaceX got a proper launch system going first, and only then started playing with the free boosters that were falling from the sky.
>>13640704
>oldspace
You're the retard here. If you start a rocket company but obsess over 3d printing to the point where you will print tubes when you could buy standard ones off the shelf, you will accomplish neither.
Meanwhile SpaceX will happily buy shit off of the shelf, at least until they find out that the manufacturer wasn't even bothering to test their shit.
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>>13640675
Lowkey I want them to start printing some new generation rocket engines, based on these mechanisms, that cannot be assembled in normal way but only 3dPROONTed. They could make some cool 3D-Dick-Spinning-AeroSpike or something.
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>SpaceX will just propose nuclear Starship
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>Even ignoring for the moment the impact on interstellar travel, future spacecraft driven by impulse engines based on Mach effects would represent an astounding breakthrough in terms of interplanetary spaceflight alone, enabling the rapid colonization of the entire solar system. Travel times being limited only by the specific power of the available power supplies and the acceleration human physiology can endure, they would allow crews to reach any moon or planet in our solar system in less than three weeks. For example, a typical one-way trip at an acceleration of 1 g from the Earth to the Moon would last only about 4 hours; to Mars, 2 to 5 days; to the asteroid belt, 5 to 6 days; and to Jupiter, 6 to 7 days.[56]
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>>13640675
bolts and nuts are based.
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>>13640675
that is pretty impressive ngl
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>>13640750
source?
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>>13640758
https://handwiki.org/wiki/Physics:Woodward_effect#Impulse_engine

Doesn't matter if its Mach impulse engine or some other chemical or advanced engine, 1g is the goal, 1g acceleration should be the first step we strive to reach
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>>13640752
Sure thing, but every separate part introduces a potential for failure, so if you can minimize the sheer number of them you need down to only what's absolutely essential, you'll have a rocket which is not only more structurally sound but also less expensive, in both individual parts that need to be manufactured and shipped and assembled, but also cheaper in the man hours needed to assemble them.
Consider that one of the major costs of engines like the F1 or RS-25 is man hours spent in the enormous number of small components that needed to be put together with machine level precision by hand.
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>>13640675
not a problem for a cnc machine if you make it several parts
https://youtu.be/zq1zKeJFUKE?t=369
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anyone have links to the actual ULA audio leaks. I can't find them google's AI is too good
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I had a dream that I was hanging out with Chris Kemp, we both entered his Astra factory and found it completely empty. He got mildly pissed and said "Alright, I think I'm going to sell Astra and make a new company called Blue Origin"
I told him the idea of his company making orbit before the other BO would be funny, and it'd be an opportunity to make a logo without the dumb feather
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Why hasn't there been another flight yet?
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>>13640768
That's my point exactly, that 3D printed engine didn't need several parts, it's all one part, and no, unlike what sub-80IQ antiprooont chimps continue to spout, 3D printed metal parts are more than sufficiently strong to deal with the stresses of a rocket engine firing, such engines have already been test fired before, extant rocket engines including I believe Raptor already contain a portion of additively manufactured components like turbopump impellers or plumbing components.
The level of retardation and blind hostility to new and potentially useful technology which is fully relevant and already being implemented at various levels in spaceflight specifically makes me understand now exactly how the despicable sloth and incompetence of Oldspace arises.
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>>13640791
There's already a company called blue origin?
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>>13640800
>additively manufactured components like turbopump impellers
x
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>>13640675
Does it offer better performance at lower cost right now?

Does it offer better performance at lower cost in the best case scenario in the future?
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>>13640808
and speaking of impellers
>>13637975
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>>13640809
No, of course not, it's still a developing technology. My god are you so fucking new that you don't remember that just SIX fucking years ago propulsive landing was still a developing technology that Oldspace crabs proclaimed would either never work or never be a performative technology?
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is static fire still happening this week
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>>13640831
>No, of course not, it's still a developing technology.

Wow, thanks for confirmgng you are inferior

>Does it offer better performance at lower cost in the best case scenario in the future?

your answer:
>of course not

Well, let me let you in on a little teeeeny tiny industry secret, when you start to develop a new technology its because you have studied it and if all goes well it has the potential to be good in the future.

See, people who work and do menaningful things with their lives (something you probably cant relate to but do try please) dont just like, do random stuff for no reason, this is particular true of new inventions. This might surprise you but engineers dont like roll dice with words and say,mmm lets pour billions of dollars into developing "3d printed... iron ... dildo", yes

No, theres this teeeeeny tiny actual kind of thingie called a feasibility study. Which probably exists for those proonted engines and there lies the answer to the question if its a good idea to develop it. The answer there is probably not one you like, but of course i know youre not trying to hide it, cause you didnt know it existed, cause you dont know this, you dont know anything about anything and come here to spew back random words so that you can, for a couple of seconds at least roleplay that you have any kind of interesting or creative idea in your head
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>>13640855
bureaucrat
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SS is too small. They're gonna regret not making it bigger.
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>>13640875
>SS is too small.
It's literally the biggest spaceship ever built.
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>>13640875
The basic plan and construction of it is fairly simple except for the engines, SpaceX might need to commission or hire an even bigger steel roll if they want spools that are taller, to reduce the number of segments per ship or something like that, if they get too big they might need to simply accept the need for a larger engine rather than keep increasing the risk of one or more Raptors failing during startup, but Starship is uncommonly easy to scale up compared to the previous generation of rockets.
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>>13640875
They needed to get something they could realistically work with.
>>13640881
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2019/10/29/the-spacex-starship-is-a-very-big-deal/
It's as small as it can be.
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>EM drive will work
>MEGA Mach-thruster will work
>you are here
>QI Photon loop drive will work
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Post above me is gay
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Prove it
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>>13640875
>They're gonna regret not making it bigger.
absolutely not, if they can show it works then getting the funding to make it bigger would be trivial, even 1/5 of sls development would be absolute overkill for that change, which will not even imply developing a new engine
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>>13640875
It's not hard to imagine a 12m version being made in the 2030's. Musk can pour billions and billions into Starship if he wants to
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>>13640933
sci fi brainlets will continue to live in a state of denial that chemical propulsion is and will remain for centuries the most cost effective for of transportation in space
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>>13640933
based fringe science poster
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>>13640962
https://newatlas.com/space/emdrive-dead-thrust-refuted/

>>13640960
Maybe anti-matter if found by CERN to behave unlike regular matter against gravity, we'll have to see but after that, then yeah, what a depressing universe, bound by depressing physical laws that we can't break
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>>13640953
>Musk can pour billions and billions into Starship if he wants to
he can but bare in mind that starship is an absolute holy grail of spaceflight, the only reasons hes not getting mad amounts of funding from everywhere is because a) he doesnt want to be attached to other idiots decision and b) he has enough money to finish it by himself and everyones waiting to see how he does.
Once its confirmed it works like it its promised then any investment on it is a no brainer. countless billions are spent on things that have much much less potential every day.
Once this is confirmed to be the absolute best ever rocket revolution of increasing efficiency and reducing cost int he best way ever made in all history by a huge order of huge magnitude, then its absolutely game on, and getting 10-100 blanck check billions in funding from goverment and or private companies would be as easy as esnaping the fingers
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>>13640978
>what a depressing universe, bound by depressing physical laws that we can't break
Physical law bends to the will of the collective consciousness. Reality can be retroactively edited by a strong enough push from the overmind.
As more humans directly want propellantless thrust or FTL or what-have-you, those things will eventually become possible.
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>>13641024
>>>/x/
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>>13641024
the final cope
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>>13641019
So nuclear fags want to proliferate a highly regulated technology despite it being almost impossible, yet think developing printing isn't worth it? Why
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>>13641019they're all the same person
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>>13640750
>>13640758
>>13640763
The Woodward "effect" is just the previous generation EM drive, i.e. something would violate known physics and has no solid experimental evidence. NASA wasted a bunch of money on it.
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>>13641038
absolute state of NASA
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>>13641038
>NASA wasted a bunch of money on it
like with all the other "advanced propulsion" concepts they study, it's obviously impossible but worth spending a few million to make sue just in case
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>>13641046
I would love to be a lab assistant at eagle works. Just imagine tinkering around all day with random ideas
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>>13641029
me on the left
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>>13641062
you will never be a real rocket
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>>13641046
Not really. They could pay experts to peer-review these claims for a fraction of the cost of handing out grants. Most of the claims are easily debunked if you just find the right person. So many NIAC awards are just a waste of money. In astronomy they are 45% impractical nonsense and 45% rehashed old ideas which still don't work.
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>>13641072
Ok new shepard, whatever you say new shepard.
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>>13640978
>https://newatlas.com/space/emdrive-dead-thrust-refuted/
https://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2021/04/response-to-tajmars-new-cavity-results.html
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>>13641053
Slowly losing credibility as people find out that you don't have a clue. Their EM drive paper was embarrassing. They saw what they wanted to see. If they'd have submitted it to a physics journal instead of an aerospace one they probably would have got laughed at.
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>>13641075
Oh look, McCulloch claims "Ackchyually..." without a shred of evidence. The key to a successful EM drive experiment is that you have to believe.
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>>13640892
That blog is unreasonably based
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>>13641073
>In astronomy they are 45% impractical nonsense and 45% rehashed old ideas which still don't work.
examples?
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>>13640623
i coom
soyuz most kino rocket, now and forever
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>>13641085
>The key to a successful EM drive experiment is that you have to believe.
McCulloch has discovered Ork-tech.

>>13641099
Handmer has a great sense of the scale of work that lies ahead with the colonisation efforts. I really hope the rest of the engineers and scientists at NASA start planning for Starship soon.
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>>13641101
Its already been theoretically confirmed that you can use the suns graivty as a lens.

Even if the proyect costed 1000 billion it would still be a at least a trillion orders of magnitude more efficient in terms of light year of range/$, and therefore no other astronomical proyect of any kind is worth it
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>found the reddit of a NASA engineer who works on SLS and HLS
>he’s extremely butthurt and claims NASA has to do a lot of spacex’s work for them
>claims HLS has flaws that aren’t publicly known
>claims 4chan bullies forced his friends to delete their accounts
>claims SLS will launch in december
the only good thing about reddit is that you can see people’s delusions and anger evolve over the years.
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>>13641129
Here's hoping it actually does launch this year. It would mean humans might actually go back to the moon by 2025
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>>13641129
>claims 4chan bullies forced his friends to delete their accounts
his friend got destroyed by facts and logic unimpeded by emotion
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>>13641075
it is not that expensive to send one of these into orbit and prove it works, until then i don't give a shit
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>>13641132
>filename
Unfortunately apt.
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>>13641075
why do people keep posting the schizo propulsion
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>>13641132
wow did spacex bid low or is that price difference a nasa choice?
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>>13641132

>SpaceX proposes 10 HLS Starships of variant classes of Crew, Tanker, and Cargo for Moon to LEO and back
>Below Orbit still struggles to deliver anything useful
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>>13641132
I see /sfg/ still hasn't figured out that government subsidies don't go to the industry leader.
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>>13641120
solar focus is a popsci meme; you cant skew it so you need a probe >550 AU for each target and you'll need a lot of power for good data rates at that range
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>>13641132
>appendix N
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>>13641132
>NextSTEP
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>>13641101
> impractical nonsense
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2019/04/13/niac-phase-ii-award-high-tendue-multiple-object-spectrographic-telescope/
The weird grating telescope. People who don't realise that building big gratings is horrendously expensive. Making a big mirror is far, far easier than making a big grating. Also a big bendy structure like that is never going to do precise work for exoplanets.

> rehashed old ideas which still don't work.
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2018_Phase_I_Phase_II/Spectrally-Resolved_Synthetic_Imaging_Interferometer/
The report contradicts the claims they made in the proposal. It's not magic, it's just old fashioned heterodyne interferometry with a new name. As the report shows their system is orders of magnitude worse than a normal direct detection interferometer. NASA could have found this out by sending a single email to one of the many people who work on such systems, or opening a paper.
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>>13641132
>Dynetics (a Leidos company) of Huntsville, Alabama, $40.8 million.
There is still hope.
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Inspiration 4 interview is live
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>>13641167
Yep, watching it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-oQWbuPAvg
Gonna orbit higher than ISS and hubble, lots of talking about how they prepare, they climbed a mountain together apparently, none of the people interviewed yet just host talking.
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>>13641145
There are many problems which get glossed over. It doesn't help that you need to know extremely precisely where the planet is.

https://arxiv.org/abs/1604.06351
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Sembroski Is the fattest person to go to space
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when your ‘first’ includes TWO sub-sets (black & female) you’re stretching it.
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>>13641169
it’s kawaii how excited they are about it
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>>13641178
An American hero you say?
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boring. I want to see Tom Cruise in space
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>>13641169
How much? You cannot go much higher than ISS without entering the van hallen belts.
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>>13641220
170 KM higher, they'll still be below the radiation belt but not by much part of the mission is to study various medical effects from flying near it.
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>>13641226
Kind of looks like a greenscreen.
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>>13641169
>Gonna orbit higher than ISS
>Orbit
>Way above the Karman line
Sounds like real astronauts.

I hope the capcom addresses them with the "real astronaut" title just to mock the Bozo shitshow.
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Our boy Estonaut on the background
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Imagine the smell in Dragon after three days in orbit.
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Chris Gephardt sounds like the Dean from Community
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>biggest window in space
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>>13641019
Imagine actually taking time out of your day to make this. LMAOing @ your life.
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>>13641247
>real astronaut
the technical term is exochad
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Press F for norm macdonald, we will have a starship named after you. Might just be called 9/11 or something
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french qt3.14
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>I'm not married and I don't have kids
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>>13641132
in a way, they all got the same amount of cash to work with, as all those other companies will be stripped of most of the winnings to pay their bribe debts
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>>13641330
jesus christ chadfrog has made me gay as fuck
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these people are completely stupid.
>"strap yourself in at night so you dont bump into each other, just like any other normal camping trip"
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>>13641338
Sorry, Thomas is married.
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>>13641343
It's a tourist flight that comprise 4 random people after all. What were you expecting?
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Where is stargazing and astronomy hidden on 4chan. Surely someone owns a telescope but I never see threads or generals. Is it in an unexpected place like /out/ or /p/?
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*AHEM*
heyley is my waifu
that is all
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>>13641352
I own a telescope
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>>13641346
so is tom mueller
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>>13641352
I own a telescope but i rarely use it because I pick up and putdown hobbies rapidly and never achieve mastery in anything lmao
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>>13641359
>I pick up and putdown hobbies rapidly and never achieve mastery in anything
That hit too close to home
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>ah space, is for everyone, no? from the languid Frenchman to zee efficient Prussian to the soulful Russian, the cunning Luxemborger, and of course zee spirited American! I love you all, vive la humanitae!
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>>13641359
Same. Another reason I don't use it much is that I live in the woods and can only see anything >50 degrees about the horizon. It sucks
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>>13641352
accidentally found this thread today. Also funny Thunderfoot was looking at Jupiter a dew days ago
>>13634285

>>13641354
>>13641359
I might own one by the end of the week pic rel. All the telescope talk has made me curious
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>>13641366
>>13641346
Daddy :3
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>>13641352
There's a thread about it sometimes on /sci/ and I darkly remember seeing one once on /p/, don't know outside of that though.
>>13641359
>pick up and putdown hobbies rapidly and never achieve mastery in anything lmao
kek iktf. I wanted to get a better telescope and venture into astrophotography but the big boy is backordered until Christmas already so I gave up.
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>>13641143
Subsidies should only go to winners with results. Losers should receive nothing.
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>>13641367
living in the wood seems comfy
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>>13641217
>Tom Cruise is pushing 60
Jesus Christ, I was going to say that he was going to regret paying so much when in ~15 years it is expected to be much cheaper, but at this rate this is his chance of going, lol
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>>13641366
>alpha

Indeed
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>>13641368
I'd recommend going for a bigger one. I have an 8 inch dobsonian and wish I had got a 10 inch

>>13641377
It is
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>>13641376
Ideally you don't have subsidies. The market can take care of itself
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>>13641376
If that were true SpaceX wouldn't exist today
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>>13641385
If this was the attitude the government took for everything, spaceflight would not exist
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>>13641381
He's gonna shoot a movie I doubt he's gonna pay for it, they're also in a space movie race with Russia
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>>13641366
Chadfrog is precious
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Yea. I want a powerful set of Bino's for astronomy. Read alot about Astronomy in the 20th century and watch old episodes of Sky at Night constantly but it almost seems to have died out largely in the 21st century. I never hear of anyone buying telescopes except for children and even then not to the same rate as in the 90s.

I guess it's expensive gear and people just don't have boomer money for their hobbies now.
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>>13641394
HON HON HON
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>>13641352
Don't have a telescope, but I used to put Stellarium online (https://stellarium-web.org/) on my laptop, get out and see how many stars and planets I could spot with the naked eye. Even if you are on a heavily illuminated urban area if you concentrate enough and you are willing to spend the entire night you'll see plenty of them. By doing this and a little research you may end up learning the 88 constellations, their main stars, names, location, etc. so whenever you look up you are already know what you are looking at.
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>>13641142
>Below Orbit
savage
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>>13641402
Yea I do do this but I want to see the planets clearly. Jupiter is so clear tonight from my house but its just a flashlight in the sky without magnification.
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>>13641394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q4eQuTf5q4
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>>13640808
Astra's impellers are proonted
Might not be the best example
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>>13641132
I hope that separate awards going to BO, Lockheeb, and Northrop means the National Team is dead
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>>13641170
>https://arxiv.org/abs/1604.06351
A good read so I'll forgive Landis for injecting his silly Venus cloud colonies into the public mind. I like his idea for a ISRU Triton hopper going from pole to pole
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triton_Hopper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCkxZ2RkIvM
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>>13641352
There used to be some astro threads back in the day but this places is pretty much dead now. Now it's 90% /pol/ migrants. /p/ used to have some threads about astrophotography and gear.

I have a couple telescopes. Don't get to use them much as I live in the city now, but a few times a year.
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>>13641366
Somebody should photoshop the taiwanese flag in there to piss off the chinese.
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>>13641366
>european union flag
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>buying a telescope
just buy mirrors and build one yourself, fags
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snz7JJlSZvw
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Last night's Starlink Falcon 9.
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>>13641464
you have that without the faggot watermark too
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>>13641386
NASA actively worked against SpaceX in their early days despite not having to beg the Russians for a ride entirely to them.
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>>13641062
>Admitting to being an expendable old piece of shit.
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>>13641467
Yep
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>>13641449
Telescope mirrors aren't really much cheaper than full dobs any more. Things were different before the Chinese took over the market, prices were much higher.
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>>13641467
It's a black background it would take 2 seconds to just paste a box over it
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>>13641467
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>>13641169
>female black crew member talks constantly about being a black female
>her hero is Michelle Obama
I am Jack's boundless surprise
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Had a question about this so I'll ask it again. How many capacitors would be required to make this thing actually work? That, and what kind of powerplant would you need to charge the capacitor banks? I have a feeling these two things would eat into the mass of the spacecraft so much that the bulk of the mass will be comprised entirely of the powerplant and the capacitor banks, rendering this thing next to useless.
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>>13641467
3 seconds in photoshop
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>>13641483
>Michelle Obama
I forget which book it was, but there's a book written by a guy who was in the "inside" of the Obama administration and not only did it detail how Obama was a shitty leader who just did what he was told to do, but also how influential Michelle was in virtually all decisions. Plus, how fucking psychotic she was, using her influence to get on Oprah and having the whole feud with her as she wanted to be the next "Oprah". Shit's crazy.
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>>13641515
ha, got'em
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>>13641508
Two, maybe four AA's.
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>>13641449
>Dobson claimed the Big Bang model did not hold up to scrutiny,[7][8] and instead advocated a non-standard cosmology; a “recycling” Steady State model of the universe, where matter in the universe is forever expanding outward, but matter also “recycles” over time via quantum tunneling. In an essay entitled, “Origins”, Dobson also argued that such a universe could allow for life to be ubiquitous and ever-present.[9]
>The design is named after Dobson because he is credited for being the first person to have combined all these construction techniques in a single telescope design. He was reluctant to take credit, however, pointing out that he built it that way because it was all he needed. In his own words, he jokes that he was "too retarded" to build a more sophisticated telescope with an equatorial telescope mount
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>>13641527
The only good thing about the ISS is that it has been a masterclass in practicing EVA's in orbit.
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>>13641526
Steady state has been dead for decades. First it was radio galaxies, then the CMB. Now there is lots of evidence for an evolving universe.
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>>13641449
this guy rules
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Are there any serious studies about what the culture of spacers will be like? I've heard speculations from "they'll be like earthers" to "they'll be completely alien compared to earthers".
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>>13641531
y-yeah goy i mean guy the ISS totally rules (my local governmental funding) the suits aren't late 70s Russian and early 80s US outdated-by-generations pieces with extensive signs of use and EVA wasn't already figured out during Gemini nuh uh Mr. Congressman, now to go back to that new hip Lockshit Farting subsidy in my county that I was telling you about...
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>>13641467
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This musk bullshit normie launch is attracting so much normie attention to spaceflight it is fucking insufferable
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>>13641540
true, old school Hoyle steady state is untenable but we ekpyrotic cyclic universe chads get to have our cake and eat it too :^)
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>>13641559
Where are you seeing normies commenting on Inspiration4?
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>>13641563
Reddit
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Normie-4 will either RUD on the pad or at reentry. Screenshot this post.
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are we or are we not going to have livestreamed puking onboard dragon
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>>13641526
JWST will be able to see the birth of the most distant galaxies after the Big Bang. That should settle the issue once and for all. On the other hand, if the JWST finds more galaxies older than the current theoretical age of the universe that opens up a new can of worms.
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>>13641576
Like?
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>>13641576
JWST will be a piece of shit failure and will not discover anything of substance
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>>13641566
Oh god are they at least saying good things?
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>>13641580
Lies I have JWST memes ready for when the thing deploys perfectly and doomers get BTFO'd
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>>13641560
>ekpyrotic cyclic universe
Hasn't made any novel predictions so far. At last Hoyle was looking at the data.
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>>13641566
stop being a tease and post some screenshots
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>>13641583
>Lies I have JWST memes ready for when the thing deploys perfectly
Is this fucking bait? How many years have you been holding onto them for?
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>>13641586
People like this make actually valid points
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>>13641591
>making access to space a commercial product for private citizens is not a civilizational milestone
Kinda feels like one to me
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>>13641594
It's 1/100th or 1/1000th as big of a milestone as the moon landing was.
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>>13641594
They hate privatization of space flight. They want government to be the only one in space because "I HATE BILLIONAIRES"
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>>13641598
I won't dispute that. Knowing that I can just buy a ticket feels pretty cool though, I just need the wealth to do it.
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>>13641576
The issue is long been settled. Galaxies are not as useful as the CMB, which probes much earlier times. We already know from the CMB and reionisation that the universe has changed state, so it's not steady state.
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>>13641591
The roughtly 40 years of space "exploration" during the Shuttle era could be compressed to less than 20 years with leadership who actually had vision.
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>>13641607
>First black female pilot of an spacecraft
>Spacecraft is autonomous AND remote controllable
Sounds about right
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>>13641591
Access to space becoming a private venture and not purely a government one is obviously a huge milestone
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>>13641607
The roughly 40 years of "space" """exploration""" during the Shuttle era could have been skipped if the Apollo Applications Program didn't have autism to rival Soviet Apollo response plans.
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>>13641132
>national team gets $113 million
>dilatenetics gets $40 million
>ChadX gets $9 million
actual clown world
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>>13641625
>spacex is cool because their rockets are driving down costs
>WHAT HOW COULD NASA GIVE THEM THE SMALLEST AMOUNT
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>>13641625
the national team is fake apparently. in reality, it's blue + subcontractors
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>>13641614
kek, you're right
she was originally going to be the breathing specialist, but that's too difficult
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>>13641628
>give more to spacex
>price goes down even more
>give some to oldspace
>price goes up
every dollar that doesn't go to spacex is actually a crime against humanity
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>>13641591
I fixed his tweet
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>>13641628
I think its more to do with blue babies getting what they want by throwing a fit.
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>>13641634
the mind of a muskrat is an amazing thing
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>>13641614
F in advance
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>>13641132
from reddit but this makes sense
>SpaceX’s initially funded task order work includes risk-reduction activities related to landing site analysis for its sustainable HLS architecture.

>Sounds like SpaceX is getting $10 million to do their analysis of engine plume interactions with the lunar surface.
elon doesn't want to do that stupid high engine placement
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>>13641614
Don't forget about smelling space-grown flowers. That one was really important.
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>>13641651
Based. Any speculation on what the other money is for? I.e. the other companies?
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Formal definitions of Oldspace and Newspace:
>Oldspace
Tries to do as little as possible for the most money
>Newspace
Tries to do as much as possible for the least money
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>>13641656
no details yet, might come later
its just paperwork and some tests to reduce risk, nothing too big
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-oQWbuPAvg

Inspiration4 Q&A
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>>13641638
Yeah, that's about right.
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>>13641657
By these definitions:
>Oldspace
ULA
Northrop Grumman
Arianespace
Relativity
Blue Origin
Astra
Kistler
Russia
>Newspace
SpaceX
Firefly
Rocket Lab
North Korea
Iran
ISRO
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>>13641679
Seems correct to me
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>>13641657
there is no newspace. there's spacex, and then everyone else
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>>13641679
SpaceX admittedly straddles the line between old- and new-space. It generally borders more towards the old for the most part
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>>13641679
Forgot to add OTRAG and Armadillo are Newspace and the Virgins are Oldspace
>>13641683
This is an indefensible position anon
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>>13641598

If the goal is to make spaceflight so common that you don't have to have a wikipedia page or be an astronaut then missions like inspiration4 are necessary. It's an operational milestone
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>>13641687
The only newspace aspect of SpaceX is the pace of prototype development of Starship. Everything else has been markedly oldspace.
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>>13641687
OTRAG was like being a Morganucodon in the Jurassic
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>>13641695
>pace of prototype development of Starship
This is core to their approach, as are cost-cutting and process simplification. Spending bucketfuls of money does not make a company Oldspace and Newspace companies don't need to be cash-strapped. It's about how you spend it
>Everything else
Like what?
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>>13641679
you forgot south korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuri_(rocket)
>The South Korean government has set SpaceX as a "role model", striving to develop relatively cheap and reliable rockets competitive enough for the commercial launch market.
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>>13641598
moon landing was the national effort of the world's foremost superpower. The idea of a private entity putting literal whos in orbit was insane in 1969
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>>13640763
You could do it with LSWR or NSWR
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>>13641508
I have asked the developers about this and I hope to get back to you on it in the next few days.
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journalist vs "journalist"
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>>13641679
I couldn't find for North Korea, but look at Iran down there in the list of budgets. Sure, perhaps a big part of the development might have been paid for by their military, but there is only so much money they have and they still got orbital capability. Same for Israel.
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>>13641657
More like old space waits for a contract to do something then takes the maximum amount of time/cost


No contract means they would never attempt something like reuse
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>>13641784
That squares with my definition. Part of doing as little as possible for the most money is doing nothing if there is no money and viciously defending the status quo where people see fit to give you money
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>>13641781
NOOOOOO HOW DOES THIS GUY THAT TAKE WEDDING PHOTOS BEAT US?
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>>13641788
Well, perhaps if they didn't ask so many times how much starship costs they'd have a chance.
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>>13641708
>no attempt at reuse
>small sat launcher

Hmm
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>>13641788
Lmao what an annoying cunt, I can't wait for his career to dry up after the inevitable spacex disaster that kills off the company
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>>13641793
What matters is bringing the cost per kilogram to orbit down.
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>>13641793
you can get the cost down without reuse
and baby steps
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>>13641799
It won’t though
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>>13641799
The cost has already hit a floor, its unlikely it will ever hit much less than it is now.
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>>13641811
>floor
reminder that falcon 9 COST is actually below $1k/kg now
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>>13641814
Okay. and? Like I said it's unlikely it will go any lower.
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>>13641816
just going to ignore starship?
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>>13641821
Upper stage reuse is the gimmick for starship. The enormous development and infrastructure costs are quickly stacking up and will likely make any cost per kg improvement completely irrelevant
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>>13641788
>I'm just a YouTuber who has to run every one of my cameras, run audio, do my own research, host, post, edit, do everything your entire crew does
Remember when this faggot said he should be seen as the next Tom Brokaw? He milks one subject, then complains when he isn't seen as a real journalist.
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>>13641826
>Upper stage reuse
>gimmick
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>>13641811
Are you saying partially-reusable F9/FH set the long-term cost floor?
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>>13641799
Then wrap your smallsat in blankets and fly it first class to the US so SpaceX can launch it.
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>>13641788
>I totally couldn’t do a thing like stand in a fucking field with a couple guys because covid

Such a convenient excuse
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>>13641838
>>13641842
Stop. It's the same shitty baiter from earlier in this very thread.
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>>13641850
Not everyone is baiting anon calm down
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>>13641850
This one?
>>13640875
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>>13640347
Relativity will be bought out by SpaceX. Read it on spaceintelreport.
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>>13640347
>proving you can prooont and successfully fire a functional rocket engine.
Rocket Lab did it first
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>>13641683
full_retard.png
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>>13641811
unless it takes the elevator
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>>13641683
And I thought my jokes were bad
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>>13641798
It is kind of pathetic how he goes running for validation from his fans when he gets an ego check
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>>13641788
This shows how ignorant of everything journos are. A random guy with an youtube channel can ask smarter questions than they can.
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>>13641914
>This shows how ignorant of everything journos are
the journos ask dumb question because the normie audience is dumb
youtubers can ask smarter questions because the people watching them are 90+ iq
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will they auction off parts of the Crew Dragon after this historic mission?

Hayley is going to absolutely soak her chair with excitement during the launch..
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>>13641925
You're mentally ill.
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>>13641925
catering your content for dumb normies makes you a dumb normie
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>>13641930
dumb content and clickbait works
>>13641928
take your meds
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>>13641928
He's right though. What do you think would happen if normie media started yammering about the comparative merits of rocket engine combustion cycles? All the grugs would change the channel or close the stream.
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>>13641827
>Tom Brokaw

who? I google him and just get a bunch of pictues of warren buffett
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>>13641932
I didn't read the post nor do I care about some e-celeb or the discussion thereof
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>>13641932
that's just the anti-anime schizo see >>13641934
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>>13641931
unless peddling dumb clickbait to normies gets you rich you're just a moron getting played by somebody who is
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>>13641925
>the journos ask dumb question because the normie audience is dumb
As someone who knows some people in the industry, no, most journos don't understand beyond the surface level what they write about, especially when it comes STEM field.
They ask dumb normie questions because they are dumb normies
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>>13641925
I wish the news would stop doing this, because I think a critical need for being a member of complex society is being exposed to what high level conversations between high level people are really like. Otherwise people think the talking heads on their network are the best examples of our species, when actually they are retards that can talk fast.
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Holy moly, Chris didn't actually win the ticket, his friend won and gave it to him.
I hope we all get friend like that anons.
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>>13641951
>friends
Yeah not happening,
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>>13641827
>>13641933
I think anon mean Walter Cronkite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENLrk1q1l3M
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when's the broadcast start? does it require jewflix?
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>>13641952
based
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>>13641951
>>13641952
Wait if that's the case, what's with all the drama on Netflix about thinking it was q spam call and his wife not expecting that call? And him saying he didn't know if he was okay with going as he has to think about his family?
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Lamo look at the chair positions in the press conference. Jared's is slightly set apart. That guy's a psycho.
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>>13641964
meds
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>>13641964
kek I noticed this too. it's justified IMO, it's his show and the others are just along for the ride
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I realized today I was distracted by the space part of inspiration 4 going to space. But the real destination is the frens they make along the way. Imagine sharing an unforgettable experience and the height of your life with 3 complete strangers and forming an inseparable bond. Imagine still being frens in old age, and one by one your bodies fail and you become the inspiration 3, the inspiration 2, and you know when you die the team will be whole again
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>>13641970
What the fuck?
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>>13641976
anon is right
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>>13641970
more like inspiration0 lmao
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>Inspiration4 launches at 8:02 PM eastern
Did they intentionally pick a good TV time?
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>>13641986
Kek
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>>13641991
>Black female
>Black female
Damn how many times is she going to say the same thing
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>>13641991
well the whole goal is to raise money so yes
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>>13641994
If she didn't keep saying it you would forget.
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>tune in
>they put a monkey in a flight suit with 3 humans
is this some sort of joke?
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so how much will bezos and branson seethe when inspiration 4 gets way more attention and praise than either of them?
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>>13641927
She's such a dumb cunt.
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>>13641927
>2019: Belle Delphine bath water
>2021: Hayley Arcenaux wet wipes
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>>13642018
Jeff literally owns Amazon and Watpo. It's his own fault he didn't come up with a TV show.
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>>13642018
Branson doesn't care, he just wanted to beat Jeff, that's why he announced his flight out of the blue only when BO had announced theirs. Very lucky he's still alive. Also, don't expect another Virgin Galactic flight any time soon.
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>>13642029
Even Jeff "Hubris" Bezos knows that NS-16 was too short and boring to make a reality show out of.
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>>13642040
I feel like the inner workings of blue origin could totally be a television show. It would be more akin to the office but it would still get a lot of views
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>>13641927
Do you all actually find her attractive?
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>>13642049
She's so fucking ugly lmao, half the general has fallen in love
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The engines Jeff...
>Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin will be later than expected delivering the first set of flight rocket engines to United Launch Alliance, pushing the company’s debut of its Vulcan rocket well into 2022.
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>>13642053
wrong
she is cute
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>>13642053
>She's so fucking ugly lmao, half the general has fallen in love
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>>13642061
Yikes. Big yikes.
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>>13642045
yes it could be very much like The Office
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>>13642061
I mean she's not hideous...maybe a 5.5/10 with 5 being average.
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>>13642060
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>>13642053
>half the general has fallen in love
It's just one faggot forcing the "meme". Funny that the jannies can delete half the thread but never his shitposts.
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>>13641986
>>13641970
inspiration3 3/5
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>>13642049
Is there any other actual more attractive woman that has gone to space?
Also, cope
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>>13642085
Sheeeeeeit.
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I think space cute anon left but he had some good candidates
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>>13642086
That italian cutie is a good contender.
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>>13642086
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>>13642085
Inspiration 13/51
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>>13642060
Source: https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/2021/08/23/ula-blue-origin-be-4-vulcan-rocket-bezos-bruno.html
>“I will not get them before the end of the year,” said Tory Bruno, CEO of ULA, in an exclusive Denver Business Journal interview.
He sounds sad, and then he says stuff like this
>ULA would pause the [Vulcan] launch if issues came up in the remaining BE-4 testing, Bruno said.
>“We’re not going to rush them. We want to do it right,” he said.
>“We really like the engines,” Bruno said. “The engines are performing well, and the design has stabilized, and it’s now really a matter of getting through the test program and fabricating the flight engines … It’s the endgame now.”
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>>13642086
As soon as she opens her mouth her attractiveness falls a solid 3 points. Physician Assistant="I couldn't make it into medical school"
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>>13642103
More like it’s the endgame of his company
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>>13642108
PAs work way less hard than doctors and still make good money. It's a decent option for low ambition types (like most femoids).
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>>13642108
To be fair to her, she probably didn't think she'd live long enough to finish medical school
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>>13642081
porn has ruined your brain
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if you're a launch provider and you don't even make your own engines your company ought to be mercy killed to be desu
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>>13642120
t. subpar woman
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>>13642081
she's a 5.5 if you consider only relatively young relatively fit white women
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>>13642095
Samantha Cristoforetti? idk man, in some photos she doesn't look that bad but I don't think they are at the same level. I guess everyone has their own taste.
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>>13642139
Christoforetti looks terrible on Earth but is cute in space.
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>Obsessing about ugly women solely because they went to space
Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up already. You faggots may just be worse than anime posters.
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>>13642086
Yes? It's not even a competition.
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>>13642143
take your horse meds
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>>13642157
>monkey
>implying
She's legitimately a melanated person. She doesn't have the weird chimp chin/jaw/lips thing going on.
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>>13642165
stop trying to justify your monkey fetish
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>>13642166
No.
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>>13642142
Maybe she could grow her hair long.
What about Anna Kikina (apparently the only female cosmonaut)? Expected to fly in 2022.
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>>13642162
Christ you can see the fur on her legs from here. Maybe that's why femstronauts stopped wearing short shorts after the Shuttle era ended
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>@rookisaacman
one question I wanted to ask you or Benji: What is the maximum number of days/hours the crew can spend in orbit with Dragon, in case reentry gets delayed after the launch due to weather or something else?
>As configured for this mission, about a week.
https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1437943622989598726
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Launch when?
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>>13642227
Duo septimanas.
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>>13642227
You missed it anon, Soyuz took off from Baikonur earlier today. The OneWeb sats are already in orbit
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>>13642162
How did they get away with this?
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>>13642103
>>13642113
Schizo theory: DOD realizes ULA is fucked/can't compete with SpaceX so they require Blue and ULA to merge. Bluenited Origin Alliance is formed in the same flavor as the original Boing/Lockheed merger. Vulcan Glenn flys AR1 engines for the first flight in 2025.
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>>13642242
>Bluenited Origin Alliance
cursed. Also, imagine a fusion between Jeff and Tory
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>>13642258
Tory Bezos is a qt
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https://twitter.com/Alejandro_DebH/status/1437857519326613514
>Pre-Launch TLE showed a 213x343km 70.01º orbit

>Actual orbit achieved is 212x343km 70.01º
ULA seething
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>>13642288
>rainbow flag
>ya’ll
Link the quoted post next time please
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>>13642288
b-but but muh 100% mission success rate
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>>13642288
https://nitter.net/Alejandro_DebH/status/1437857519326613514
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>>13642288
it's off by an entire kilometer...
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>>13642307
It's over.
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>>13642288
more accurate than SpaceX, and that's all that matters. also lol @ /sfg/ lapping up tranny droppings bc they agree with the tranny
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>>13642177
That's Samantha Cristoforetti on the ISS.
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>>13642313
>one post mentiones gays
>in a negative way
>”lapping up”
?
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It's over
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>>13642313
that was spacex
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>>13642288
Why would they launch into a 70º inclination orbit? I thought these were going polar
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>>13642313
>>13642331
RIP SpaceX. SpaceX > SpaceX
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>>13642341
It be ya own
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>>13642341
Makes sense, only SpaceX can surpass itself.
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>>13642350
Starship team B > team A >>>>> Florida team
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>>13642341
Death to SpaceX, long live SpaceX.
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why are they builfing bn5 and bn6?
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>>13642355
BN4 is out of date (FAA took too long). They need to build new boosters/ships/raptors (sadly)
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>>13642355
They want redundancies and replication/repeatability of verification.
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>>13642355
BN4 sat too long so they’d need a waiver to launch it since all the solid rocket fuel inside goes bad after a while
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>>13642377
Rapid reusable propulsive landing 9m SRB first stage when
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>>13642040
El Jefe's hamartia isn't hubris, it's jealousy
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>>13642409
And BALD.
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>>13641038
Antimatter propulsion seems the only viable candidate for a 1G drive capable of doing such burns.
It's rarely researched though, no one is out there trying to optimise for antimatter production, it's more a byproduct of other science experiments and ridiculously hard to study.
There was some company that raised a few million to put up a prototype AM powered cubesat, but they ran out of cash and I don't think they got the efficiency they needed.
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>>13642288
I don't get this accurate rocket meme peddled by ULA. From Liftoff:
>[Falcon 9] aimed for an orbit thirty-five degrees above the equator. It did all of that and more. With an accuracy remarkable for a brand-new rocket, the second stage inserted itself into orbit at an inclination of 34.494 degrees. Thus the untested rocket had screamed off a pad hundreds of miles away, reached a velocity many times the speed of sound, and missed its target orbit by a mere 0.006 degrees.
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>>13642313
> lol @
Shut the fuck up zoomer and make my coffee
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>>13642510
That's not the only parameter. Also you should take the values of multiple launches.
We all know how inaccurate second stage was with the inaugural Falcon Heavy mission.

Having said all that, mass forgives inaccuracy. It doesn't matter Starship is inaccurate simply because it can send more fuel.
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>>13642451
he's balding, he's malding, his rage is positively scalding
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>>13642522
gonna cry? ^_^
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>A protein from human blood can form a biocomposite material with moon or Mars dust.

>The compressive strength of the biocomposite materials is on par with concrete.

>Incorporating urea (from urine) can increase the compressive strength by over 300%.

>We demonstrate that the resulting biocomposites can potentially be 3D-printed.


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590006421000442?dgcid=rss_sd_all#bib5
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>>13642533
Wouldn't this be a wild misuse of trace elements present in blood and piss, even ignoring the humanitarian concerns of extracting so much blood?
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>>13642533
>literal nurgle cultists trying to sabotage space
Big E we need you
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>>13642501
Isn't the terrible energy efficiency of antimatter production the real problem? I've read that for a dedicated production facility the input would still be 10,000 times the output.
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>>13642573
Yes. I remember someone once posted a presentation of this company that was trying to generate mass streams of positrons to react with an electron beam for thrust but I never heard anything else so I presume they failed.
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ha, administrator senator nelson says sls is flying THIS YEAR as of TODAY. he said so at the humans to mars summit. eric berger and sls haters and spacex stans ultimately and finally BTFO
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>>13642589
Ballast Bill will have to get out on the pad and push for that to happen.
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>>13642566
>literal nurgle cultists
People were selling their piss by the bucket load to the local textile mills not that long ago for the very same urea.
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>>13642589
Why does he always sound like he's about to keel over
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>>13642599
Because he is. He's a fucking fossil.
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angery
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>>13642614
>Anthony Calomino and not Anthony Colangelo
:/
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>>13642589
how come no spacex in human to mars summit
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>>13642620
because it's an oldspace jerkoff session. they actively avoid people like elon and zubrin and act like chemical propulsion to mars is impossible. these chucklefucks still cling to the lie that we need a propulsion breakthrough before even thinking about going to mars. aka Mars never
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Holy shit how did I not know the Vanguard upper stage engine was an AJ10? That engine was designed before Sputnik flew and it's still flying. Also it's the only orbital main propulsion the US has used for manned space vehicles since Apollo. Starship represents replacing a 1950s design with three RVacs, and a LOT more delta- V.
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>>13642618
antonino is probably gonna retire. he was so much happier in the bridenstine days, so many more great interviews. nowadays he is tired, maybe having a kid didnt help. i miss the old days https://offnom.com/episodes/origins-jim-bridenstine
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>>13642614
For those who want to watch : https://youtu.be/PlrcBbBus-Q?t=15661
Topic was Nuclear Propulsion/Surface Power
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>>13642628
Mars IS impossible with chemical rockets unless you have low cost super heavy lift, but that ruins these faggots' business models so they pretend Starship doesn't exist.
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>>13642633
Yep, nuclearfags are gonna get us all Earthlocked
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>>13642635
It isn't even impossible without low-cost super heavy lift. You could have a thriving manned exploration program with Falcon 9 and orbital craft assembly, for relatively cheap.
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>>13642639
It's over, SpaceX stan. This is what a real transfer vehicle looks like.
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>>13642643
nuclear propulsion is only 20 years away goy
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>>13642643
>needs 16 tons of NTO/MMH
>41 tons of LH2
>THREE EXPENDABLE FISSION REACTORS
Seriously these bad NERVA designs are just outright inferior to Starship. Why isn't oldspace working on giant 5000 ton Mars transfer vehicles that might actually benefit from NTP?
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>>13640090
Help me frens. I've tried all the torrent sites, but couldn't find the 3rd and 4th episodes of countdown netflix documentary.
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>>13642652
same here.
heard will be up tomorrow morning on telegram
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>>13642639
damn they are all saying how we should use nuclear propulsion even for the initial missions
we are doomed
and the nasa guy says
>we should have minimal launches for each trip
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>>13642633
>we need do an opposition mission (30 day stay on mars) first due to radiation limits
we are never going to live in mars with that attitude
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>>13642682
And of course if NASA ever admits the rad limits are political bullshit they'll get defunded.
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4 u /sfg/ because I got bored.
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>Spaceflight Inc. announces a rideshare mission called GEO Pathfinder, which will use its new Sherpa EScape transfer vehicle to "slingshot around the Moon" to reach geosynchronous equatorial orbit.
>It will fly as secondary payload on Intuitive Machines' IM-2 mission in Q4 2022.
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1437763517784920069
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>>13642705
>"slingshot around the Moon" to reach geosynchronous equatorial orbit.
wat
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>>13642696
>only 1000kg left
Means it won't work. Crew dragon is ten tons.
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>>13642713
even for normal GEO missions they go as high as 60k apogee
something to do with easier inclination changes
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>>13642713
Going to the moon takes less delta-v than geosynchronous orbit
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>>13642719
My assumption is that the cockpit is not pressurized and that the pilot is wearing a pilot version of an EVA suit for life support.
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>>13642633
I want my one hour back
this was a terrible panel
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North American F-100D Rocket-assisted take-off (RATO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efgkWAgCqvE
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>>13642652
>>13642655
anons, all episodes have been posted on the pirate bay
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>>13642731
The life support system isn't where 90% of Dragon's dry mass comes from. Even Gemini was eight tons.
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>>13642745
I miss rocket racing league
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>>13642745
>RATO pod
Dahnald, the orbitgates.
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>>13642750
You can do anything with composites these days. Maybe even proonting with it.
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>>13642652
>>13642655
>>13642748
It's on rarbg and 1337x aw
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>>13642677
we need a GIANT NUCLEAR INTERPLANETARY SPACESHIP LAUNCHED ON A SINGLE SLS BEFIRE WE CAN EVEN THINK ABOUT GOING TO M
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omg gayley looks awful without makeup. i didnt even recognize her, ep3 of netflix special lol
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>>13642840
t. fat Norwood 4 virgin.
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Are we going to have a dedicated thread for the inspiration launch tonight?
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>>13642845
she's very ugly, i tried to screenshot but netflix doesnt allow screenshots on android. she is like a pig
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The black chick is insufferable. Every chance she gets to spout the female / black empowerment she takes it. I think she's a manhater, and probably lesbian
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>>13642856
why do you care so much about beauty?
>>13642861
she was divorced last year, maybe that's where the anger comes from

we all have our faults :/
but still we will all go to space one day
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>>13642867
don't even get me started on pudgy chris
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>>13642870
post your face then
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oh no
https://www.spaceflightinsider.com/organizations/space-exploration-technologies/spacex-worker-killed-companys-mcgregor-facility/
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>>13642879
>June 30 2014
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>>13642875
chris is a fat man, and he threw up his donuts in the centrifuge. embarrassing, disgusting, words that come to mind
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>>13642867
Don't worry Jared, we believe in you. We believe the crew will accomplish great things. /sfg/ couldn't be more proud of you guys
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>>13642883
>"The Occupational Safety and Health Administration reported an employee was riding in the back of the utility trailer to hold down foam material, when tie down straps were not available. The Texas employee fell from the trailer and died."
I didn't know a SpaceX employee had died when working. Reminds me of lax safety at Boca Chica.
Any other cases?
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>>13642696
Enhanced
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>>13642896
can i post this to reddit.com
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>>13642899
Only if it gets wicked huge upvotes. That would be pog.
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>>13642902
thanks dad
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Finished the doc. Hayley is so precious bros, she makes me cry every episode. Keep her safe Elon
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We are going
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Why is Sian so unlikable? She tries so hard to be cool, but come off as inauthentic.

Chris is ourguy. Just an engineer who got a ticket to space from a friend. Cares about his family and tries to make his family comfortable with what he's about to do.
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>>13642934
i want to go
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i got so mad when the spacex girl was married bc i wanted to fugg and KISS her.
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>>13642963
>as a young black girl I had problems because...
>as a black person I struggled with...
can't she just shut up? bloody hell I hate her so much she's going to space and can't avoid pushing propaganda for half the time she's given the word
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T I L E S
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>>13642972
>Starship Gayer
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>>13642972
still, no one can answer how those tiles are gonna get put on. they cant put on before removing the handles, they cant put on after lifting. it's a sick joke
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>>13642980
>they cant put on after lifting
yes they can?
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>>13642972
do you think the tile fetish anon would like this
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>>13642972
It's finally over.
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>>13642982
it's impossible to access the top, it's too high. also too dangerous for workers to bang on it so high. the ship could even tip. the boom lifts cant go that high either
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Pick your favourite Crew-3 astronaut.
Raja Chari, Matthias Maurer
Kayla Barron, Thomas Marshburn
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>>13642991
post pics
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>>13642991
>>13642993
Yeah, I forgot
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>>13642996
ok, i think im going with the GIRL. that girl will have the first coochie on the moon (i have inside info). i like girls more than boys, and i'm a sexual creature. i choose kayla
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Will Nutflex livestream the explosion tomorrow in 4K?
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>>13642980
It's not like anybody is going to be on it, just use it as a test of what happens if a tile or two is missing. Tile around it as much as they can, then let it go like that one shittle flight, what was it, STS-27?
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>>13642970
which girl?
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>>13643011
idk she's in the netflix, her husband is also a spacexer it sucks bro
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>>13642970
You are one creepy motherfucker
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>>13643023
how so?
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>>13643048
You're pining for a personality and got mad when you found out they had their own life. That's like... Korean Idol expectations, and that cultural aspect is flatly horrifying.
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>>13643059
relax, you're being dramatic
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>>13642892
Is it being streamed in YT for free?
I'd like to see at least from ignition to orbit.
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>>13642892
(last one i swear)
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>>13643067
KEK
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>>13642971
She wasn't as bad in the documentary compared to the Q&A.

Also seconding >>13642963 about Chris. He's just some middle-aged blue-collar dad who isn't really that charismatic, but gets to fulfil every boys dream and go to space [spoiler]or am I just projecting?
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>>13642971
um, her parents lived through segregation;)
also JEDI
JUSTICE
EQUITY
DIVERSITY
INCLUSION
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>>13643139
Nobody raised in the last 40 years gave a shit until they wouldn't stop shoving it in our damn faces incessantly.
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>>13643154
are you a jedi anon
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>>13642972
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>>13643166
The force in A New Hope is the best version of the force because because it doesn't have any of the bullshit light side vs darkside bullshit, but instead merely having the force as a neutral moral force that can either be used for good or for bad. This is how it should be in Star Wars.

fite me
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>>13643166
No, because without common interests and goals, diversity is only a liability.
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>>13643166
might have puked a bit
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>>13643206
>>13643206
>>13643206
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>>13643209
>that pic
Kek, is that legit?
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>>13643216
Yes, the guy does weekly flyovers and spotted it once.
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>>13643218
I bet it was Elon, now he's lurking on RGV's twitter and having a giggle.
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>>13641656
Dynetics: figure out the propulsion situation they need to lift a four man camper van to the lunar surface and how to fit it in an oldspace rocket



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