Is there any truth to the idea that the dumb people of society and the smartest people have similar beliefs or ideas, in contrast to average people's? I personally think it seems proposterous
>>13418805In terms of spirituality? Yes. The amount of famous mathematicians with absolutely schizo ideas on the metaphysical is staggering. In terms of knowledge, capability, and methods? Not really.
>>13418805I always think of this
>>13418805Nope, it's just cope by dumb people and midwits who want to think of themselves as better than other than midwits.
>>13418805Yes, although they have different ways of appreciating it. For example, low IQ is conservative because is too dumb to be brainwashed, high IQ is too smart and knows the truth of the system.
>>13418805Most people are average. If you are average and hang out with others who are average, you will be subject to more peer influence than if you belong to a smaller group. If we accept that more peer influence means less originality of thought, then it is not hard to at least accept that low IQ/high IQ are capable of thinking more originally.If low IQ/high IQ both sample from the complement of normie thought more often, they will sometimes match, and supposing they do this frequently enough, they will match more often than they match with normies.The other point of the meme is an old cliche: as simple as possible, but no simpler. If we suppose that rationalizing or thinking too hard is full of pitfalls (i.e. you can rationalize yourself into deeply retarded views, the theorycel), then it must take some skill to avoid these pitfalls. The low IQ simply avoid rationalizing and thinking too hard, so avoid these pitfalls. The high IQ are skilled enough to avoid these pitfalls. The midwife falls in.I don't think there's evidence for any of this, I think it's just people being cheeky.
This >>13418857 is a good example of the type of coping midwit I was referring to in >>13419385. Most mathematicians aren't schizo but by claiming that they are anyway, this schizo feels a sense of security.
Intelligence is pointless, only accomplishments matter. The smartest man in the world doesn't matter if he don't do shit. Anybody really into IQ scores is trying to cope with personal failures.
That's contrarian cope
>>13418805Yes, but almost never for the same reason.
>>13419396>Most mathematicians aren't schizo Yes the average ones no but the top percent genius ones are
>>13418805Dimwit: No Vacc because microphone and muh freedumbs!Midwit: Take dah vacc! Everyone is getting it! The government said it was safe. The scientists on TV said ut was said. They are super popular and have many awards. I trust the science!Wit: Yh no vaccine for me. I need a long term study on that shit. However if I was 60+ I would have considered taking it, but I'm not. I live alone so I wouldn't be able to respond quick enough if I experience severe clotting as opposed to just getting covid. First site of blood and I can drive my infected ass to the hospital.
>>13418805I've seen many cases of this. For instance:High-IQ take: "Pedophilia / child exploitation is rampant among Hollywood and the aristocratic elites. Intrepid scholars have carefully documented this."Low-IQ take: "herrrrr, look at these secret-decoder ring messages in the Podesta emails. Pizzagate!"
>>13418805Yes, they both think that the boring average normies in between them suck and only consider what's good for normies.And they aren't wrong in that.
>>13418805There's also a saying: The rich and the poor share the same vices.
>>13421825No, they're really not. It's a complete meme. Go look up the major names in math and read their biographies. Most were perfectly normal people.
>>13422744I see the issue now, you don't know what schizo means.
>>13418805Yes, of course for some things, maybe even many things, but of course not all. I mean that's obvious. In fact, there will be just as large a collection of things where distribution is just a monotone upward line, i.e. midwits and smart people will have more in common than brainlets and the latter. But it is indeed remarkable that the bell curve applied to opinions exists.
>>13419393To augment your point, midwits will also be more susceptible to peer pressure than the other extremes because they are intelligent enough to realise how important that is in a society and what resources it opens up, but not intelligent enough to navigate society without it to an (almost?) equal degree of efficiency. Smart people don't require these access points as often as midwits. You can also make a case that smart and dumb people have the stronger convictions in general.
>>13418805a good way to see something clearly is to see it on its face exactly for how it isretards lack the ability to articulate but can sometimes see information on its face clearer than the monkey performing mental gymnasticshigh int often having higher degrees of self-control allowing truth to come into their presence soundly You cant really teach a retard nonsense and an intellectual wont hear it
>>13418805Ultinately only in specific cases. For instance, deception: the stupid will blindly stick to their guns and geniuses will see through it, while the average will follow the deceiver's logic and believe them. Science is a similar case: stupid too stupid to listen to consensus, average follow consensus, intelligent analyse the source data and may either agree or disagree based on validity, reliability, and relevance of data.
>>13419358>its rational to trust your senses and intuitions because they are the result of irrational material processcringe, darwinists are so close to admitting teleology but they are afraid to admit le sky daddy
>>13419358This is unironically a perfect picture.It's also kinda ridiculous how most people in academia are 90 IQ faggots who can't think with their fucking heads and just do what they are told to do.Fucking Feynman is not a genius, he just did a logical OBVIOUS thing and decided to draw pictures instead of doing all this retarded maths.IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO REMEMBER ALL THIS, JUST REMEMBER THE PICTURES BRO
>>13422797>schizo = not a materialist so we're playing definition games
>>13423176I think that schizo is a person who is unable to control his basic urges and desires because he simply does not have a soul and he's fully consumed by his primitive animalistic side.He's extremely reactive to outside stimuli, can get scared, angry, sad and hysterical over minor stuff. A lot of women have this trait but some men also do.
>>13423196Most arguments for the existence of the soul would say mathematical thinking is on par with ethical/rational thinking. In other words, mathematicians are the people that have the most rational soul. If you think about it, mathematicians have very strong discipline to stare at obscure symbols for hours every day. If anything, low-iqs have less of a soul
>>13423169Feynman will remain goat thru sheer force of problem solving intuition
>>13423207>mathematical thinking is on par with ethical/rational thinkingI think that the only thing math does is it teaches you how to think faster.And when i mentioned soul i wanted to say that there's obvious duality of a human nature:>animalistic side>spiritual sideAnd by spiritual i mean the ability to control your animalistic side. Willpower.If you have any addictions be it fap, alcohol, caffeine, porn, gaming, food, money or whatnot, you have weak stats when it comes to willpower.When i talk about shizos i imagine that schizos LACK willpower completely. They just do things based of what they feel, not what they think. A person feels angry - he might assault someone. He has absolutely no self control and does everything subconciously. I think one of the reasons why racism exists is because some people believe that all nigs are unable of doing things conciously. It's actually silly how democratic voters who love science so much tend to forget that in the 19th century racists explained their racism through "science". And it was southern democrats who supported jim crow laws. And now they are all suddenly not racist, how interesting eh?Also i'm not sure why i've changed the topic. I think we were discussing schizos. So yeah i believe schizos are people who lack control of their urges.
>>13423258>Also i'm not sure why i've changed the topicIt's because you're a schizo who can't control your urge to bring politics into everything
>>13423270It might be.Also i've been thinking about dumb people.I don't think that dumb people are actually dumb.They just figured out religion earlier or their parents taught them religion. And once you understand the concept of God, you have all the answers you will ever need in your life so you just don't bother with anything else and chill 24/7.Now if you suffered through the education system and finally figured out the religion after that, in my opinion not only you have understanding of how the world functions, you also have an upper hand over your peers, necessary papers to do whatever the hell you want and you just think faster than most people.I'm not saying it makes you a superhuman but it certainly feels like that sometimes.
>>13423284The way you ramble on and on about random shit certainly makes you look like a schizo.
>>13422836>retards lack the ability to articulate but can sometimes see information on its face clearer than the monkey performing mental gymnasticsI think there are a lot of cases where sub-par simplistic scientific theories are more or less accepted because the system under consideration has many complicated interactions that are difficult to express precisely.For example Chomsky's innate grammar. "There is an inbuilt faculty in humans that allows you to learn language, the stimuli a child is exposed to are simply too sparse to learn language otherwise". It's quite obvious that what he's aiming for is the way pre-existing brain structures facilitated proto-language, and proto-language led to evolutionary pressures to further develop language ability in the brain, and then you see that language has naturally evolved to be in agreement with the structure of the brain.
>>13423288Mate i'm staying within the topic of this thread, if you have trouble following my train of thought maybe you should stick to following wheelchairs or baby strollers.
>>13423284>you have all the answers you will ever need in your life so you just don't bother with anything else and chill 24/7.this is a bad thing, just "chilling" is why buddhism is dangerous. It makes man weak and uncreative. God should encourage you to create things and come up with new ideas.And yes it seems like you are a schizo like th other guy saud
>>13423295>Also I'm not sure why I've changed the topicAnon, you said it yourself. You can't even keep up with your own posts.
>>13421825>In order to deceive the sun into shining, he brought with him, even on a fine May afternoon, what he called his 'anti-God battery'. This consisted of three or four sweaters, an umbrella belonging to his sister, and a large envelope containing mathematical manuscripts, such as a PhD dissertation, a paper which he was refereeing for the Royal Society, or some tripos answers. He would explain to an acquaintance that God, believing that Hardy expected the weather to change and give him a chance to work, counter-suggestibly arranged that the sky should remain cloudless.I don't know about all, but GH Hardy was definitely one.
>>13418805"Yes, but no". I don't think they have the same ideas at all despite common overlaps. Sometimes highly intelligent people (but usually including kind of upper scale midwits in 120+ range) have overlapping views with retards, but this is often from a point of being highly critical or just contrarian as opposed to going to the simplest answer. It comes from very different depths of thinking and therefore the latter group is less flexible while often holding the same ideas in principle.I would say that it is more accurate to say that the extremes are less susceptible to propoganda than to say they have similar views.
>>13418805It's true that people who score incredibly high on IQ tests tend to be dysfunctional in their everyday life.
>>13423294but which and what sciences, for that pursuit is of wisdom if not knowledgeand wisdom's high point is achieved by raw int which is the order of nature's kingshipthat because man had a mouth and ears that he could propagate the use of them for himself and othersteaching being secondary to kingship
>>13423169you dont know anything about what feynman did
>>13418805midwits are the least contrarian and courageous of the three groups, they reach a level of truth that is socially acceptable and validated within their peer group, that they are comfortable with and don't explore it any further. High IQ can explore "dangerous" ideas because socially people respect them due to their proven intelligence. low IQ/red necks are automatically labeled as dumb, racist, etc so have nothing to loose by voicing their opinions.
>>13423169How do I get a top heavy forehead like that anons?
yes to a reduced extent
>>13419393The best answer.