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They retired my oshi, so I retired my spent boosters on their children.
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colored it
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>>13263304
Cute!
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>>13263304
This is so fucking cringe please stop
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Imagine if you will a politician who became spare weight on a Shuttle flight before being appointed the administrator of NASA.
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>>13263313
He basically killed her
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>>13263304
very cute, but i think you left your cursor on the screen just above her eye.
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>>13263304
I like it, but reupload without the cursor as
>>13263322
pointed out, I'll save that one.
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>>13263321
Alt history time:
>Bill winds up on Challenger as chief ballast
>dies in the explosion
>Christa McAuliffe lives, but never flies
What would change in our timeline, other than Nelson not being the admin today?
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>>13263304
based and draw pilled
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>>13263322
ah, quite the oversight...
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>>13263333
The Shuttle killing a politician would have forced an actual safety review.
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>>13263333
No more solids near humans, shuttle gets the rope faster (I wish)
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>>13263343
shoop da woop
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>>13263380
>>>/lgbt/
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>>13263380
Based 2012 poster
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>>13263410
Lazors is from well before that.
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>>13263380
based 2007 poster

>>13263409
based reddit poster
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>>13263380
ANON NO
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>>13263434
Quick, do a barrel roll to escape!
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Wait so cosmic radiation only increases cancer by 1-2% on the ISS?
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Orange rocket bad.
Shiny rocket good.

>>13263304
cute
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>>13263449
yes
radiation is a nothingburger
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>>13263449
On one hand the ISS is still protected by earths magnetosphere, on the other it's super thin because it had to be launched on the shuttle.
If launch is cheap or you are already on Mars then just put a lot of stuff around you.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4xRNXyy-8o
New Apogee vid just dropped.
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>>13263466
>On one hand the ISS is still protected by earths magnetosphere

Keep in mind the Earth magnetosphere is almost as strong a fridge magnet. And at around the ISS orbit, I doubt the magnetosphere will make a difference.

>>13263459
So what's up with popsci going on about all this fearmongering about space colonization outside of habitable zones.
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>>13263476
>So what's up with popsci going on about all this fearmongering about space colonization outside of habitable zones.
It gives bucket crabs a reason to keep crabbing and hate on space colonization.
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>>13263476
The elites have begun a propaganda campaign against space colonization in the last few years. Most likely, because they don’t want any whites to escape the genocide, and don’t want any proles outside of their control.
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>>13263475
man his first videos were amazing
good quality compared to most youtubers
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkNLAUwSFGw
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>>13263466
>on the other it's super thin because it had to be launched on the shuttle.
anyone more knowledgeable about radiation be able to tell me if its better to have multiple layers or one single layer adding up to the same thickness
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>>13263495
Better version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-f9bpMpddA
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>>13263495
kek its still not big enough
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>>13263486
The elite you mean doomers and wokies? They're the ones complaining that space is a waste because of climate change and "poor" people. I have a feeling that a lot of them know deep inside that the main people who will be migrating to space are white and asian.

The business elite are already invovled with space exploration.
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>>13263502
>The elite you mean doomers and wokies?
No, Jews.
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>>13263484
Really it's ironic pop science used to be more optimistic before, but now real science is the one looking optimistic compared to popsci which has been taken over by doomers.

Fuck doomers man, all they care about is forcing every government to become communist dictatorships.
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>>13263475
>Old Gaurd
>not proofreading and quality checking his videos before uploading
It's over apogee is finished
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>>13263497
You want multiple separate layers for both particle and ray shielding but unfortunately the shuttle's mass budgets were so bad you didn't get much of either.
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>>13263304
It's cute but... Why?

>>13263476
>So what's up with popsci going on about all this fearmongering about space colonization outside of habitable zones.
It's all Hebrew nonsense that desperately tries to keep humanity stuck on earth.
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>>13263509
>makes high quality vids for spacex
>makes shit for body odor
Fitting.
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>>13263507
>Really it's ironic pop science used to be more optimistic before, but now real science is the one looking optimistic compared to popsci which has been taken over by doomers.
Intentional. (((They))) are spiritually Murdering the west.
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>SpaceX is "in talks with several of the airlines" about using Starlink to provide inflight WiFi, although there is no timeline yet for when that might begin.
>"We've already done some demonstrations to date," VP Jonathan Hofeller said yesterday.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/10/spacex-starlink-talking-to-airlines-about-in-flight-satellite-internet.html
the funding from this will be insane
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>>13263518
Holy shit man.
>just fly for days on end all around the world while browsing the internet during flight
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>>13263511
another question that i was thinking about when anons were talking about the magnetic shielding
would thin permanent magnets inside the hull actually help? or would they have be bulky
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>>13263515
Interesting maybe they're worried about a new financial elite arising in the asteroid belt when mining companies are set up there.

Which is why they push doomerism and space fud
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>>13263515
Yup. Notice how back in the 80s and 90s the only hopeful science fiction was basically "what if communism won" and then once it became clear the Soviets were gone forever they hard pivoted to "everything sucks forever now boo hoo." I hate (((them))) so much.
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>>13263529
we get it dude
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>>13263529
>back in the 80s and 90s the only hopeful science fiction was basically "what if communism won"
Was it?
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>>13263527
No, they just don't want to give people an escape hatch from the hellish policies coming down the pipeline.

>>13263541
It was. Name one scifi movie or show from the period that wasn't either Star Trek style space communism or dystopian.
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>>13263544
because those are the only options
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>>13263548
Name one counterexample.
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>>13263544
The fifth element?
GATTACA?
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>>13263552
Both crapsack dystopian worlds.
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>>13263500
heccin chonker
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>>13263549
those are the only realistic options, you are not going to have a bright future built on shareholder profit motive. Its not a political commentary, its basic logical extrapolation of the future which just happens to confirm that we are doomed.
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>>13263562
Post nose.
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>>13263554
>Genetic super people going into space is dystopian
Do you think dystopian means "bad stuff happens?"
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>>13263544
>No, they just don't want to give people an escape hatch from the hellish policies coming down the pipeline.

Well i'm afraid they'll fail, people have through out history been trying to stop technological progress and they all end up failing in the end.

Doomers and anti-space wokies can enjoy those hellish policies while us spacechads can watch and laugh at earth.
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/pol/ needs to take its meds and fuck off
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>>13263563
look at that
you have no ability to argue because there is no possible way to come up with a better future for humanity so long as the interests of a small minority are the motivation for everything.
Its a simple statement, with no counter because its nearly a tautology.
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>>13263562
>built on shareholder profit motive.
Capitalism is one of the driving forces of technological advancements.

The profit motive actually encourages innovation, just compare the private space industry right now with national space agencies. The private industry is making them look like amateurs.
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>>13263573
>you have no ability to argue because there is no possible way to come up with a better future for humanity so long as the interests of (((a small minority))) are the motivation for everything.
That's kind of my point. You're so thoroughly brainwashed by them that you see their two preferred systems as the only options.
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>>13263562
>you are not going to have a bright future built on shareholder profit motive
Capitalism built the west’s success. Kys
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>>13263569
>Well i'm afraid they'll fail, people have through out history been trying to stop technological progress
Technology will be used to create dystopia and enslave everyone, retard.
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>Looking for space discussion in /sfg/
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>>13263573
Individuals following the profit motive is exactly what built a “better future” for America.
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>>13263575
Not in its current form. Its current form has produced businesses run by businessmen.
>>13263578
White Christians* first and foremost.
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>>13263584
Anons don't care about spaceflight.
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>>13263583
>Technology will be used to create dystopia and enslave everyone
and that's a good thing!
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>attention all fitizens this is your zyzz speaking
>popular vote has chosen every third thursday to be leg day
>however as your benevolent ruler i have chosen every second saturday to be leg day
>complainers will be sent to the zero-g cage for a week
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>>13263599
Wouldn't a station spinning that fast be a vomit pinwheel since it's over the nausea limit?
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>>13263599
Who the fuck doesn’t do legs twice a week at least?
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>>13263588
People don't realise the reason why Elon is cost optimising space travel is because of profit maximization.

Better technology and cost optimization > higher profits and outputs (starship 2.0, starship 3.0 etc)
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>>13263595
No they care more about petty politics and being doomers.
Both /pol/fags and woke fags can stay on Earth and have a doom and gloom mindset.

Capitalism will be one of the reasons why I might be able to live on the moon in my lifetime.
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>>13263609
>Both /pol/fags and woke fags can stay on Earth and have a doom and gloom mindset.
>le both sides are le same meme
Did you need a stepladder to get up on that high horse?
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>>13263605
Elon is optimizing space travel to make large scale transport of resources and people to mars as cheap as possible.
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>>13263609
>nooo stop believing in reality
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>>13263613
Yes, you both are the same, you both are a bunch doomers. In reality 50 years from now I can bet you that living standards will be much higher than they are today because of technological innovation.
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>>13263626
>over socialism
feudalism*
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>>13263626
Crypto will replace fiat capitalism in the future.
The reason being is that it fits the criteria of a type-1 civilization currency.
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>>13263518
I think the airlines are looking forward to offering free unrestricted wifi as much as the passengers are to using it. Starlink would remove the burden of all those complicated, expensive infotainment systems and make passengers much more tolerant of delayed flights.

>>13263625
>incoherent spelling
>doubling down on being wrong
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>>13263620
>>13263605
Forgot to add, once there is a decently sized mars colony a large space based economy will follow pretty quickly simply from all the transit occurring between Mars and Earth and all the corporations set up to service this economy. Also, I think that while cislunar space won't have as much resources put into it as mars by SpaceX at first, within 15-20 years the cumulative effort put into industrializing cislunar space by nations and private commerce will outpace or at the very least match SpaceX's mars colonization efforts.
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>despite all that space I am still just a rat in a case
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>>13263640
>ywn have your own space sex cage
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>>13263626
>retard parroting disproven Marx bullshit over a hundred years later
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>>13263605
elon doesn't give a fuck about profit really
if he cared about profit he wouldn't have started a rocket company
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>>13263651
There have been no Communists allowed beyond LEO in history so far and I intend to keep it that way.
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>>13263639
I think Luna will become a travel hub and a place where many earth corporations will have their space headquarters in.

Mars will be interesting to see how it develops, considering that Elon wanted to make his colony a direct democracy.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae-Pl-Q34ng
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>>13263636
money existed before capitalism and forms of it have existed in socialism
capitalism is a very rigid definition "the private ownership of means of production"
ownership here does not simply mean 'control', it means the legal right to exploit that for your personal profit via the legal mechanism of the state and enforced with state capacity for violence.

This definition can be filled in by secondary consequences of this such as wage labor and the nature of capitalisms class structure but these are inevitable consiquences of capitalism and not its most basic and precise definition.

The consiquences of a thing can be said to be that thing as well sometimes, and also the causes of a thing can sometimes be named that thing too, and so as a loose term capitalism might refer to consequences of capitalism, as ultimately those things are caused by capitalism. Contextually understanding what is meant then is important.
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>>13263664
Fuck off back to whatever college campus you're posting from, undergrad-kun.
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>>13263659
He does, and he knows he will make a lot of profit in the long-run.
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>>13263663
What could go wrong?
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>>13263667
western colleges are liberal anon, they are teaching idpol-fascism not marxism
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4 F9 1st stage roggets could replace the SRBs. 6 and we could probably recover 4 of them. Staging them for land, barge, and ocean.
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>>13263675
The boat shipping it to Korou will be attacked and capsized by giant sharks.

>>13263681
>implying
Buddy, I don't have the time or the crayons to explain to you how cultural Marxism was a response to the failures of economic Marxism and how that's played out on US college campuses, so stop posting.
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>>13263675
Nothing that a Shuttle mission couldn't fix
wait
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>>13263690
Elon-kun is on it. Everything going to be daijoubu.
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>>13263664
>the legal right to exploit that for your personal profit via the legal mechanism of the state and enforced with state capacity for violence.
And that’s a good thing.
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>>13263497
You want as much atoms as possible, some are better than others. If you can fill the gaps with water then that's great.
>>13263526
An artificial magnetic field is possible but water or organic matter on the walls is a better solution.
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>>13263500
wish I was a kid again to blindly appreciate these kinds of images without being a cynical adult knowing what SLS really is.
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>>13263693
>starship rocks up next to telescope
>100 astronauts/technicians come rushing out with MMU's
kino
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>>13263701
30 years for nasa to make a worse version of energia.
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>>13263707
>the MMUs are painted olive green
>someone plays Ride of the Valkyries on the comms channel
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>>13263694
Yes.
>>13263636
Capitalist societies have used the gold standard. It makes no sense to talk about "capitalistic fiat".

>This definition can be filled in by secondary consequences of this such as wage labor and the nature of capitalisms class structure but these are inevitable consiquences of capitalism and not its most basic and precise definition
The first paragraph was correct. This one is a consequence of you studying a 150 years old positivist ideology and not modern economic science.
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>>13263707
Like a zero-G pit crew, fucking rad
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>>13263714
>>13263664
Greentext was meant to you.
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>>13263693
やめろばか外人ファグと
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>>13263722
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There has only been one ginger in space. This travesty must be corrected. The first starship on Mars should be crewed by nothing but gingers. Red Planet for the Red People!
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>>13263693
Kuso....
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>>13263723
Suck my ちんぽ
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>>13263661
>Mars will be interesting to see how it develops, considering that Elon wanted to make his colony a direct democracy.
> considering that Elon wanted to make his colony a direct democracy.
Maybe that'll work for the earlier years but as mars becomes larger it'll become untenable
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>>13263727
We need to save the gingers before its too late.
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>everyone has forgotten this rocket already
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>>13263681
> they are teaching idpol-fascism
> fascism
how do i know you don't know what the hell you're talking about
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>>13263735
Heinleinism.

No civic franchise for those that don't sacrifice for Mars.
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Wow never heard of this Apogee guy before, but his videos are decent judging from his first one
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>>13263735
They'll figure it out in time.
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>>13263739
Its literally a paper rocket
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>>13263752
>paper rocket
Could /po/ make a rocket?
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>>13263756
Nitric acid and sulfuric acid and paper becomes gun cotton.
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>>13263735
electronic voting/mobile voting
have everyone vote on everything
pure democracy
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>>13263756
/po/ would be able to make more of a physical prototype than Blue Origin has managed so far.
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>>13263756
if you wrap the paper and treat it properly sure
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>>13263761
That's not democracy, that's rule by whoever writes the software.
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>>13263746
>>13263748
Lmao, so the expanse was a documentary about space geopolitics
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>>13263727
Looks like the German flag in the thumbnail

>>13263765
Paper outgassing drive when
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>>13263766
have the voting system built into a bitcoin ledger
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>>13263761
The software creator will just choose who wins
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>>13263770
>so the expanse was a documentary about space geopolitics
yes? the whole belter thing didn't give that away?
the asteroid bombardment will be real too if they try and step on future mars
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>>13263707
There needs to be an L2 telescope that has an attached research station with a standing crew of dozens and a capacity of several hundred. With Starship it's possible, and should be done.
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>>13263781
open source software
have the results put into a ledger
everyone can check the results but your voting id is unique each time, like two factor authentication
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>>13263761
>electronic voting
Why bother pretending you're holding an election in that case?
>>13263784
Free Luna too.
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>>13263786
i miss the shuttle
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>>13263798
Everyone with a soul does
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>>13263794
electronic voting can be made reliable and truthful
the easiest method is just having two completely separate entities run different software and both have votes at the same time
you need to vote on both
or do something like this >>13263792
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>>13263800
love it
need a nice shoulder carrying picture now
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>>13263809
>prop is stored in the breasts
>SH lands flat
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>>13263814
I need this now.
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>>13263805
I endorse thumbprinted cuneiform tablets as the method for transcribing votes on Mars.
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>>13263784
The belt had a soul, the same couldn't be said for Earth or Mars.
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>>13263784
>the asteroid bombardment will be real too if they try and step on future mars
It'll happen sooner than that. Won't be asteroids though, it'll be mass-driver-launched giant steel rods from the moon with a spicy radioactive core.
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>>13263818
>votes
No
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>>13263822
By that time I expect Earth, Mars, the moon and other powers in the solar system to have planetary defence systems against those rods and asteroids.
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I didn't realize it was this bad....
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>>13263827
Land-owning men only.
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>>13263818
phones already have fingerprint scanners so
fingerprint + face/neuralink unlock
double or triple voting(easy as swiping between 3 apps and hitting red or green etc)
have factions that hate each other run one voting app each(could even have a group on earth run one too)
compare results
ez fucking pz
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>>13263716
Exactly what I pictured.
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>>13263832
No. Clay.
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>>13263830
>Juno was originally proposed at a cost of approximately US$700 million
>As of 2019 the mission was projected to cost US$1.46 billion for operations and data analysis through 2022
does this include the atlas launch cost?
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>>13263688
>cultural Marxism was a response to the failures
it was a CIA subversion plot, it has nothing at all to do with any marxist basing, there is nothing marxist about it. Just because you fucking boomer pozzed brainwashed amerilards want to call everything you dont like communism does not change that. Marxist has very clearly laid out ontological and historical foundations, its entire world view is spelled out from the ground up and anything that violates them is automatically not marxism.

>>13263741
>fascism is what the fascists say it is!
>what do you mean every branch of fascism says something different? no thats all simply fascism :^)
fascism is anything that is not socialism (the abolition of productive class) in the face of capitalist decline. This is the definition of the 4th congress of the comintern, and thus this is the marxist definition of it. Fascism is a subversion of revolutionary potential and sentiment, playing on revolutionary desires by replacing the effective class method of revolution which produces a new society with a circular class-retaining revolution which uses scapegoats and insists only 'the right kinds of capitalists must be in charge'.
There is zero difference between people saying there must be more diverse representation in corporate leadership today and the nazis saying there are too many jews. None, they are the same worldview repurposed.
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>>13263830
We have to solve problems here, in the inner system, before we even THINK about expansion to the gas giants and their many varied moons.
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>>13263770
The guys who wrote The Expanse thought through a lot of the physical constraints of colonizing the solar system and how that would impact system-wide politics... but then spent half the series on random ayylmao bullshit. In its mundane aspects, much future scifi is going to look like Expanse fan fics plus or minus some specific propulsion and hab building technology.

>>13263849
>everything my side did wrong was secretly the CIA: a dumb tankie's guide to 20th century history
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>>13263848
BO will continue to suck
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>>13263857
god damn that's an old one
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>>13263848
BO is gonna be jelly of my sides, because they will go orbital
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>>13263851
>my side
people who do not use marxist analysis are not marxists, its as simple as that. You can say they are as much as you want but what defines marxism is the use if dialectical and historical materialism to analyze a situation. Anything based on race, sexuality, or what ever the fuck you want to come up with, is exactly contrary to historical materialism, and thus can not be considered marxist.
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>>13263866
ok fag
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>>13263857
https://is2.4chan.org/gif/1623375280207.webm
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>>13263851
>Expanse fan fics plus or minus some specific propulsion and hab building technology.

I bet our hab building and propulsion technology will be more advanced than the expanse by 2100.
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>>13263814
No, SH just ends up with like super long and floppy tits that are basically like penis-sized nipples.
>>13263831
Family votes. If the couple isn't a heterosexual family with biological children, no voting rights.
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>>13263861
I have most of the OC this general has produced, but doubt I have all of it.
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>>13263872
>Family votes
One vote or two?
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>>13263850
yeah we need another rover and helicopter to mars maybe a mars polar lander too that's more important, Mars only, MARS

MARS
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>>13263886
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>>13263866
>>13263866
>contrary
no, it's parallel, supplementary even
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>>13263889
Where are the superdracos? I thought they were at the bottom of those c-shaped bits on the side of the capsule but they look completely smooth. Isn't that what the launch abort system uses?
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>>13263907
Dunno, that's just what they look like
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>>13263930
The fact shuttle could launch 4 times a year and SLS only once boggles the mind.
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>>13263930
>from the time we mate the first joint we have a limit life that says you should launch that booster within 12 months
Tick tock
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>>13263937
The test-fire was last summer, tick tock indeed.
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i really really want SLS to go kaboom
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Reminder, we could very well see Starlink 2.0s launched on Starship starting next year if Starship orbit test goes well enough.
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>>13263946
Starlink 2.0 are the ones with full laser, upgraded networks, etc.

Starlink 1.0 is the first 1600 constellation.
Starlink 1.5 is the upgraded 1.0 with better network capability.
Starlink 2.0 is 1.5 + lasercoms.
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>>13263786
EZ Glider
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>>13263898
it contradicts historical materialism and is therefore not compatible
its as simple as that
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>>13263849
>fascism is whatever my ideology defines it as!
if marxism has the rights to define every ideology (and its definitions are correct), why does capitalism or fascism or any other ideology not have the right to have correct definitions of every opposing ideology?
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>>13263962
Continue your disgusting commie rant elsewhere
>>>/pol/
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>>13263950
Link?
>>13263962
You're a faggot and a nigger and anybody who thinks their ideological system has sole rights to define everything in existence is a retard
its as simple as that
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Why the hype for Starlink on here, that shit will ruin the night sky and prevent us from knowing if an asteroid will hit us
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>>13263848
Like he needs a badge, how many tiny bald roid man tranny fuckin niggas are just floating around BO non-LEO New (insert astronig here) pretend launch sites/empty warehouses are there?
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no commies allowed in space
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>>13263979
If you're going to bait at least don't use rotten chum.
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>>13264001
Nobody's reading all that garbage, fuck off to /pol/ and whine over there.
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>>13264015
if i edited it i might be able to trim it down by 15%, but im afraid complex matters require more words than 'yay science'
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It looked like the new solar panel rollout on the ISS went good today. That's pretty cool, the most recent CRS Dragon brought those up there.
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1403097988679884800
>Starlink missions will move to Starship
fucking hurry up ree
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>>13264024
We're going to need to design a heavier Mars helicopter to drop you out of.
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>>13264030
Also cool they can install them with the arm, speaks well for axiom
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>>13264038
Has this been posted yet? How rustled must russia be about having 0% market share for 2020?
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>>13264044
Yeah I kind of expected an EVA for that but apparently the arm works well enough, pretty cool.
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>>13264027
how come none of those probes even send up some halved, used 2 liter bottles for mini greenhouses and some seeds to see if the shit works up there?
muh selfies are gay and faoggotishly retarded
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>>13264060
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>>13264060
Planetary Protection would like to know your location.
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>>13264001
>Every other ideology defines things based on how they think things should work. Capitalists and fascists will make lists of what 'real capitalism' or 'real fascism' should look like. These ideologies all depend on people making them happen in accordance to the plan of the ideologies founders /dictators.
so does marxism nigger
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>>13263343
Now draw her getting burnt up in atmosphere
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>>13264085
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>>13264088
Thank you for your service Hayabusa
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>>13264068
>the intergalactic EPA won't let me do and genuinely important scientific experiments so i just take selfies instead
lmao at the people with such intense messiah delusions that not only do think the world is coming to an end on earth, but they also feel they're in charge of protecting mars as well.
>reeeeeee earth is dying gotta move to mars
but also
>noooooo you can't experiment to see if life works on mars
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reminder that spacex already bid starship for 8million to bring 56kg to orbit
https://spacenews.com/spacex-bid-on-launch-of-nasa-cubesat-mission/
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>>13264094
your 2 liter bottle """experiment""" wouldn't work. That's why no one does it, dumb fuck.
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muskman sperging out in 25 bings
https://livestream.tesla.com

Details of the SpaceX package for the roadster might be revealed
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>>13264055
>how rustled
Based on Rogozins constant screeching, the answer is obvious.
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Who does /sfg/ follow on judentube? Here's some that are in my recent history, probably missing some..

Anton Petrov
NASASpaceflight
Isaac Arthur
Angry Astronaut
Everyday Astronaut
Scott Manley
Engineering Today
Fraiser Cane / AstronomyCast
Astrum
LabPadre
Apogee
What About It
Subject Zero Science
C-bass Productions
Launch Pad Astronomy
Dr Becky
Marcus House
RGV Aerial Photography
Primal Space
TheSimplySpace
Curious Droid
smallstars
Mars Guy
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The funny thing about Starship is the sheer low cost of it makes a bunch of propulsion technologies stillborn. Take photon sails, for example. You could fill a Starship fairing with 98% folded sail and 2% payload, or you could just fill the entire 100 ton capacity with payload and a chemical braking stage, retank once in orbit, and hurl that 100 tons of science at a planet faster than a solar sail could go anyways. It's only high thrust nuclear technologies, like fusion drives, or NEP boosted with a plasma magnet sail, that are a path beyond Starship for reasonable mission design.
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>>13263343
Based
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>>13263933
It's literally just funding and actually wanting to accomplish something other than making jobs
The SLS would've been flying since 2018 if the government really wanted it to
Hell, constellation would've been flying by now if they wanted it
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>>13264133
i really really want them to get an adapter for a centaur in a probe/cargo version of starship
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>>13263857
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>>13264021
What the fuck, even I can dock better in ksp than that
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>>13264102
it would work fine, just throw down some seeds from the arctic and sqiurt a little water in there and the co2 meter will start to show a deficit after a couple weeks
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>>13264133
starship killed space elevators too which is funny as fuck
though moon space elevators might still be ok
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>>13264055
How the fuck did china launch 39 rockets? Literally what they sent up there?
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>>13264154
satellites, duh.
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>>13264133
>It's only high thrust nuclear technologies, like fusion drives, or NEP boosted with a plasma magnet sail, that are a path beyond Starship for reasonable mission design.
It also killed the pathway for most nuclear development, you would have to be stupid to pay billions for a NTR at this point so the step into fusion or whatever is giant.
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>>13264124
Eric Gunnerson is probably the only one I don't see on your list
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>the good old days
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>>13263848
he's already blown his face up
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>>13263509
He makes several typos throughout the video. I can sort of excuse it because his videos have way more text than other videos I've seen, but proofreading isn't his strong suit.

>>13263951
>>13264038
Would Starlink moving to Starship warrant a new version number? The current deployment method wouldn't work, so maybe they'll redesign it.
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>>13264133
starships can't bring enough fuel to get a probe to 20% of light speed, so you're wrong about light sails
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>>13264165
Nuclear Ramjet atmosphere probes
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>modified super heavy/tank with whatever thruster you want make sure it has enough juice to get to orbit
>launch on top of a standard super heavy
>refuel it
>mount refueled starship on top
its basically a centaur on steroids at this point?
it doesn't even need to be like this but, refueling huge fucking boosters in leo seems like a solid idea
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>>13264197
>starships can't x
just apply more starships to the problem
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>>13264198
>tfw project pluto-style craft flying in jupiters atmosphere
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>>13264200
What?
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>>13264206
put big efficient boosters in orbit to go fast or far
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>>13264211
Wouldn't that be extremely expensive because you'd not be able to recover an entire launch vehicle and spacecraft?
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>>13264204
solid fucking dick
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>>13264228
Big Stick Energy
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>>13263498
always wondered what made the beewwouu sound in country tunes
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>>13264216
like 50m~
plus the 50 or whatever refueling launches it would take
you could use it to boost shit out to neptune fast or go to mars in a hurry
depending on your engine configuration/booster

also think of it for probes or sending stuff around the solar system with a ion drive that has stupid amounts of fuel + power gen

sky is the limit with super heavy
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>>13264254
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>>13264197
Lightsails can't do that on sunlight alone. You need massive orbital lasers for that.
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>>13264264
I know, thats what I was talking about. Also you don't need massive orbital lasers, you can do it with ground based laser arrays, breakthrough star shot have done recent research into this issue
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>>13264023
hot
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>>13264264
You can do it with ground lasers too now
Australian National University researchers light up our pathway to another planetary system in major scientific breakthrough - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-08/canberra-anu-scientists-laser-sail-interstellar-space-discovery/100198228
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>>13264001
>Every other ideology defines things based on how they think things should work
Literally Marxism
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>>13264269
Thank you copy paste
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>>13264165
Chemical is insufficient for human travel past Mars. We need nuclear
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>>13264204
That’d be kino as fuck

>>13264254
China doesn’t have planetary protection retards, right?
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>>13264247
There are way better technologies which could be used when already in space than just sending an entire starpship and superheavy to orbit
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>>13264254
How the fuck did they take that picture?
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Elon Live Happening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUmkbzQ-BS0&ab_channel=TeslaTeslaVerified
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Look at this faggot, just floating around
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>>13264292
The man is getting fat
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>>13264276
NTR is a fucking meme in most designs.
>only twice the Isp of hydrolox chemical
>EXPENDABLE FISSION REACTORS
>all the problems of LH2 long term storage
You need that crazy pulsed design that can get 10,000-15,000s Isp out of LH2 by using neutron heating to bypass heat flow limits, and then take the 50% Isp haircut to use water propellant.
>bulk density of 1kg/L by definition means mass ratios of 20 are actually possible
>no cryogens needed
>5000-7500s Isp
>reactor provides electrical power when not pulsing
>high enough thrust for impulsive maneuvers
>delta-Vs of 100km/s possible without mass-budget autism
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>>13264296
zoom out, I think it has a stalker
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>>13264124
Galactic Gregs: oldnewspace deep south astroboomer who's redpilled on yidsrael, agricultural self-sufficiency, and of course spaceflight. Has good guests on like the Zoob and other alternative-mindset guys who have been in the industry for decades
Pressure-Fed Astronaut: spergy skeptic who generally makes solid points instead of just trolling for (You)s. Worth listening to to temper the fanboyism from other space tubers
Cost-Plus Astronaut: /sfg/ anon trying to make it, decent quality content
Nicotine Jenkins: retard who can barely figure out his equipment but nonetheless captures the best McGregor engine test footage
SpaceXcentric: SpaceX fanboy type weekly coverage with a conservative bent. Good content and far less cringe than the German and the Australian whose dickriding is sometimes unbearable
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>>13264302
Yeah and methalox NTR gets like 600 seconds of isp - which is shit considering the high dry mass
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>>13264060
china did this with cotton seed on the moon.
it sprouted.
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>>13264308
>oldnewspace deep south astroboomer who's redpilled on yidsrael
in what way?
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>>13264282
What way would you do it then?
Say you want to yeet something out to neptune fast
And another one of getting your ass to mars faster. Maybe for some elderly tourists
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>>13264292
what kind of drugs do you think Elon takes before these shows?
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>>13264341
I was thinking about this because of his red nose
seemed to me like beta blockers and a bit of coke
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Another Chinese launch went off a bit ago, a Long March 2D out of Taiyuan carrying 4 sats.
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=54052.msg2250709#msg2250709
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>>13264055
>Has this been posted yet?
no because anyone can see a better version of it that is regularly updated here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_spaceflight
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>>13264338
Nuclear salt-water propulsion
Nuclear powered ion engines
VASIMR engines
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>>13264287
They placed a camera
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>>13264335
His main channel Green Gregs has an
>eyes wide open head on a swivel
series where he talks about global shit going down and how to be prepared for it. He had a whole episode recently about an uncanny series of industrial fires in Iran, directly naming the jew as the culprit and telling viewers to watch out and be ready for what might come of the yids poking the bear and running to hide behind the US.
With that said the content is not particularly focused and you have very low chance of understanding him if you're ESL. I think of it as good talk radio style coverage, listen while driving, on the computer, etc.
He had a guest on recently (Tim Pickens?) who had some great anecdotes about Virgin Galactic. Both of the guys had lots of stories about how things really go down at that type of company, lots of personal anecdotes about Burt Rutan and the like. Greg is definitely salty that Burt Rutan got labeled a visionary for taking ideas that he had in the 90s and making semi-functional prototypes out of them kek
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>>13264350
I meant non fictional options
Or options that won't cost billions
No private nuclear engine is getting launched in 20 years
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>>13264370
i'm not ESL thank god
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>>13264350
>>VASIMR engines
VASIMR is a scam and Starship can already do Mars in 30 days.
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>>13264391
I meant three months*
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>>13264391
>Starship can already do Mars in 30 days
Does this involve refueling in some high orbit?
7km/s is not all that much
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>>13264254

I don't know how, but they made the rover look Chinese as fuck.
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>>13264403
It's Starship with LEO refueling.

https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2020/02/15/dont-stage-off-starship/
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>>13264416
Good luck getting anywhere with that enormous dry mass
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>>13264424
Saturn window opening soon?
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>>13264416
That article never says Starship can do 90 day transits from a LEO refueling, and the pork chop plot you posted earlier explicitly says
>dv beyond escape from low orbit
In most windows it looks like 5-6 months is the shortest transit time achievable with 7km/s from LEO
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Why is classical so kino with space
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can an 18m tanker starship refuel a regular moon / mars starship in 1 shot?
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>>13264341
Carfe, coke, and adderall.
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>>13264483
>what is payload capacity
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>>13264485
Do you really think Elon does coke
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>>13264519
yes
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>>13264519
Only when he has other stuff to balance it out. The coke is just there to make sure he can actually walk and talk on stage.
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>>13264448
The pork chop was made by the same person who authored the article. A fully fueled Starship could easily be boosted into LEO escape or refueled during it. It could also be refueled in GTO which only needs about 0.7 km/s to escape Earth's SOI.

I'm not sure if you're the nuclear proponent from earlier in the thread but you would be fucking crazy to think that adding ~2.5 km/s of delta-v to Starship in LEO in order to get the trip down to 3 months is harder than building VASMIR or whatever other meme.
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>>13264483
My kerbal space intuition says maybe
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Does mars have fluorine
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>>13264540
It’s not that simple in rocketry
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>>13264483
What do you mean by 18m? diameter?
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>>13264576
Rocketry is just a KSP RSS/RO installation with some boomer pausing the game every step until you pay him a few billion dollars, and you have to make your own mods.
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>>13264483
Probably not. Double the radius quadruples the volume of fuel and therefore payload mass but I think one SS needs 6 tanker.
(this is an approximation)
>>13264571
Yes, martian life became gay because of fluorine on the water and went extinct
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>>13264592
Just to clarify: I'm approximating it as equivalent to 4 SS launches. I know that's not how it works but we don't know what mass differences there would be or even of it would be raptors.
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>>13264583
Yea Elon mentioned the possibility of a future Starship upgraded to 18m diameter. Current Starship being 9m.
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>>13264592
mass fraction is much lower on 18m Starship, might be able to make up the last bit of difference there
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remember what we lost
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>>13264614
I wouldn't bet on it but the result would probably be better than 4.
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>>13264617
>300t
>reusable
Just. Fucking. Imagine.
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>>13264617
remember
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>>13264617
>max production rate of four per year
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>>13264628
yes, and?
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>>13264617
>>13264628
this, never would of been scalable like the current design
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>>13264633
Hard to send tens of thousands of people to mars per synod if you only have a few dozen transport shipss
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>>13264628
Valid point, it was carbon fiber and the slower dev cycle could have killed it.
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>>13264633
>tfw it’s summer 2021 and SN4 just blew up
don’t worry spacebros we’ll get em next quarter
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>>13264626
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>>13264639
I just want the ITS legs back.
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SOUL
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>>13264663
SOULLESS
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>>13264663
This paint job makes the SLS's nature as a Space Shuttle that had tranny surgery to LARP as a Saturn V too obvious. That's the real reason they dropped it.
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>>13264023
i would fuk her asshol
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Current Starship design is best.
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>>13264658
I love ITS but the Superheavy equivalent cost $230 million to build, the Starship tanker equivalent cost $130 million to build, and the Spaceship itself would cost $200 million to build. The only way it was cost effective if it had an insane number of reuses, 1000 per booster, 100 per tanker, and 12 per ship (3 year trips to and from Mars each). ITS was also unrealistic in that the Raptors were supposed to each fire at 3,000 Kilonewtons. Current Raptor is 2,000-2,400 kilonewtons. Overall ITS was really cool but super unrealistic, although it did set the groundwork for Starship.

>>13264626
>Center engine
>6 engines outside that
>14 engines outside that
>21 engines outside that
Superheavy has 3 “layers” of engines and it looks hard. ITS has four
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>>13264666
SOUL
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>>13264658
fug that's kino.
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>>13264669
Orange paint weighs the least out of all colors.
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>>13264682
BFR 2017 was my favorite because it felt realistic. It was big but smaller than the Saturn V. It only used 31 engines on the booster stage. It only had 150 tons to LEO. But it could go to the moon and back and whatnot. First time Starship/BFR became real to me. Of course modern Starship wins because it’s the only one that’s actually flown
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>>13264693
*FODs your orbiter*
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>>13264693
It's not paint, that's just the raw insulation
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>>13264687
>The only way it was cost effective if it had an insane number of reuses, 1000 per booster, 100 per tanker, and 12 per ship
Ironically enough with starship they are aiming for a far higher number of reuses, which is much more doable because it uses stainless steel instead of carbon fiber
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>>13264700
What is version 1-4?
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>>13264710
Stainless steel is perfect. Carbon fiber is such a nightmare it really seems stupid in hindsight. Even the ITS Test Tank exploded at 2.3 Bar, while the shitty Starship MK1 vehicle popped at 2.1 bar, and current Starships get to around 7.5 bar
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>>13264718
No idea but here’s an embryonic Raptor from before 2016
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>>13264727
It's funny how you can see the progression from this test stand piping spaghetti to properly integrated engine over the course of Raptor development.
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>>13264720
Up to how many bar do they have to get?

>>13264727
Was it hydrolox?
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>>13264738
Nah hydrolox Raptor was canned in 2012. The pic is supposedly from Stennis in 2015. It’s an “oxygen preburner” test. The first Raptor to fire did so a year later in 2016, although this was a 1,000 Kilonewton version - which had 40% the thrust of “Modern” Raptors. The first Modern Raptor to fire did so 3 years after that, happening in 2019.
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>>13264748
Thanks.
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What would’ve happened if we still had the shuttle, but with an Americanized Energia. Like replace the solid boosters with 2-8 Kerosene ones. And have the Orbiter be optional.
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>>13264830
...SLS Block 2
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>>13264531
It is harder and it doesn't work. To go beyond the Moon we need new propulsion systems and band aiding primitive chemicals is just a dead end.
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>>13264830
Not possible. American State rocket must
>provide lobbyists with money
>provide politicians with votes
Flying is just a side effect and your proposed idea is primarily focused on that side effect. What's the point of it if it cannot fulfill its main objectives?
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>>13264738
Current raptor needs around 6bar ullage pressure if I'm not mistaking.
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>>13264626
What a blast
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>>13264626
imagine the sound
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Why Saturn rockets? What about Jupiter and Uranus?
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>>13264926
uranus
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>>13264854
You would do a thing like that? Come to /sfg/ and make bait posts?
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>>13264830
The world would be a nicer place. Much nicer.
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>>13264830
better, but not much better.
pic related is best timeline.
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>>13264830
Well not that much we problably would had artemis way sooner and be cheaper and maybe a bigger space station
Hopefully they evolve enough to make flyback boosters
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>>13265054
Based based based
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We got him.
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>>13265139
lmao
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>>13265139
reddit
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we aliens now
https://phys.org/news/2021-06-astronomers-giant-center-galaxy.html?
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>>13265139
this is a team bezos general so fuck off
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>>13265185
it's venus
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>>13265204
no, its my peenus weenus
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>>13263664
Once and for all, capitalism is an organic system that forms naturally in all human societies for the utilization of scarce resources through the voluntary exchange of goods and services, without which all attempts at civilization fail. Any other attempt at defining it is post hoc rationale attempting to rhetorically preclude reality in favor of nonsensical anti human political philosophy.
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>>13263849
Lol the absolute state of undergrads, the cognitive dissonance this post displays is so sweet I need a palette cleanser.
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>>13265185
>single eclipse of literally anything that will never repeat
yawn
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>>13265229
give it a month
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>>13265233
what's happening in a month? i'll say the only odd thing about it is it's elongated, but i'm not even sure how they prove it's an ellipsoid. could just be a long string of dust
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>>13263950
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8AaCedQ7IE
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>tfw addicted to launches
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What is the smallest O'neill cylinder you can possibly make? 120 meters in diameter?
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https://youtu.be/Pa_EKzyhYFM
this new event horizon video is so cringe
>I dont support people giving birth on mars
>we should be sending scientists, not a private company
>musk's timelines are too ambitious, they will slip
>we cant even think about going to mars until we run the simulations and tests, you cant just take an iterative approach
>moon by the 2030s
>BO has been doing really great with engines
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>>13265340
halo is pretty small right?
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>>13265343
>we cant even think about going to mars until we run the simulations and tests, you cant just take an iterative approach
You literally could
Expendable astronauts and reusable rockets are the future
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>>13265343
No It was based
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>>13265353
Too much ksp kid
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>>13264124
Hullo, Droid, and NSF are the only ones on your list I watch currently

Stopped watching Issac Awthur because 45min slowly narrated BS that will never be built

Stopped watching, Fraiser Cane, just hullo with no editing whatsoever

Watched what about it on 1.5x speed for a month. Holy shit this guy is awful. Next time you watch one of his vids take the time to count how many seconds he actually spends giving us info, vs shilling sponsor, patreon, transition time etc. He makes almost zero original content, most of his videos are just repeating what NSF, RGV covered a day ago.

Haven't watched Marcus House much. Guy didn't really grab me.

Estronaut has some really good videos, but he is oddly kind to SLS and buys NASA bullshit, probably for a PR move. His hour long breakdowns are great. The onions is too strong tho, and the fact that his discord and patrons pay to edit his videos for him is kinda weird.

NSF are making a shit ton of money off of donations. I love what they do but holy shit, they make like $2000+ every stream. The majority of that money better be going to mary and jack otherwise their just taking advantage of the 'I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE AND ELON MUSK' crowd for easy moners.

LabPadre is like a lower budget less I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE version of NSF. He's cool.

Astrum has a weird accent I can't get over but his content seems decent.

I watched Anton Petrov fuck around in Universe Sandbox in middle school. These days you need a little more than talking over footage of you smashing big rocks together to hold my interest.

Vintage space has some good videos, my favourite being the "sleep on the moon" one. But holy shit she is blue balling all the coomers so hard I can't bear to watch. Like holy shit put your tits away I don't care.

All the other ones on your list I've never seen.

I would reccommend:

Astrobiscuit: Really small new channel who does niche videos on telescopes
Randy Dobson
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>>13265353
>Expendable astronauts
you could save alot of money this way
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>>13264124
NASASpaceflight
Isaac Arthur
Angry Astronaut
Everyday Astronaut
Scott Manley
Engineering Today
Fraiser Cane / AstronomyCast
Based
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>>13264124
cringe overload
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>>13265354
john m godier had to put mr journo in his place at the end. usually john shits on elon, but there was a moment at the end where the journo seething about elon was too much. there was even an awkward part where the journo started seething about trump and pence and 2024 (rent free lmao)
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Kneel humans
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>>13265403
So they just dropped a camera on the ground?
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>>13265410
Exactly
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>>13265411
That's a pretty kino shot, it was worth it
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>>13264140
>actually wanting to accomplish something other than making jobs
like what?
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>>13265403
This picture means much more than what meets the eye. This represents the beginning of the end, or at least the end of the beginning, of American domination in Space.
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>>13265439
No? It just a pic of a cool robot
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>>13265439
China needs a starship competitor first, otherwise the US will still be far ahead of anyone else.
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>>13265343
A lot of the older pre starship era space channels are very anti musk/spacex for whatever reason, anyways i'll go through his points
>I dont support people giving birth on mars
I think we should do tests on mammals at first but if its relatively safe it should be allowed. How else would you organically grow a colony?
>we should be sending scientists, not a private company
It isn't "we" that is sending a private company to mars, it is that private company. If a private company wants to go to Mars, that is their right. And the idea that only scientists should partake in colonization of space is elitist bullshit.
>musk's timelines are too ambitious, they will slip
Maybe Elon will first land people on mars in 2029 instead of the original 2024 or 2026 date but its better then setting a timeline where the first people land on mars in 2040 and in actuality nobody gets to mars until 2060, or ever.
>we cant even think about going to mars until we run the simulations and tests, you cant just take an iterative approach
says who?
>moon by the 2030s
the total lack of ambition this guy has astounds me. if it were up to him apollo would of never happened because it would of been "too ambitious"
>BO has been doing really great with engines
they objectively have not been doing really great with engines
This guy's arguments sound like they come straight from every oldspace cliche he can think of
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>>13265476
>Space x = us
No
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>>13265476

China still needs to have their version of Falcon 9 up and running before even thinking about copying Starship.
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>>13265488
Is this the new euro cope?
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>>13260023
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>>13265506
Deal with it
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>>13263304
very nice anon
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>>13265527
Arianespace isn't european
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>>13265527
By your own metric, european auto industry companies are not european. In fact, nothing that isn't state owned is part of a country.
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>>13265482
>A lot of the older pre starship era space channels are very anti musk/spacex for whatever reason, anyways i'll go through his points
People think they are smart and realistic for being a bunch pessimistic twats¨
>I think we should do tests on mammals at first but if its relatively safe it should be allowed. How else would you organically grow a colony?
People should allowed to have children on mars, it's their right. And I think all this gravity fearmongering is overblown
>Maybe Elon will first land people on mars in 2029 instead of the original 2024 or 2026 date but its better then setting a timeline where the first people land on mars in 2040 and in actuality nobody gets to mars until 2060, or ever.
Between 2026-2029 would be good dates
>says who?
Oldspace and popsci. These people aren't risk takers, they're risk averse and when it comes exploration it's always going to be a risk
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>>13265476
China will never get ahead, because right now profit-maximization is still leading the way when it comes to technological advancement.
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>>13265556
>they're risk averse and when it comes exploration it's always going to be a risk
how the hell did this culture develop in the realm of space exploration of all places?
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>>13265488
>>13265506
>>13265554
I rather space isn't owned by any nation state, because I don't want bunch of incompetent earther politicians deciding policies for the people who live in space.

If I lived in space I wouldn't want someone like von der leyen, Merkel, Macron, Biden and Winnie etc be my head of state.
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>>13265564
Because JFK and the space race forced NASA to be risk takers.
After 70s you saw what happened to NASA, they become more and more risk averse, which you end up with these boring satellite missions.
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>>13265570
>which you end up with these boring satellite missions.
and you ended up with these*
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>>13265565
we're talking about the nations, not the governments, dolt
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>>13265362
What About It is the One Piece of space news
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https://myrgv.com/local-news/2021/06/09/non-profit-asks-cameron-county-stop-boca-chica-beach-closures-for-the-rest-of-the-year/
"Environmentalist" (read chinese gov front) group is trying to stop the starship orbital flight from happening in 2021
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>>13265595
No dude, he is just regurgitating news from other youtube channels and news sites. He is scum. If you want to stay informed follow NSF, Eric Berger, RGV, etc.
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>>13263659
>elon doesn't give a fuck about profit really
>>13263674
>He does, and he knows he will make a lot of profit in the long-run.

He doesn't care about profit for lining his own pockets. He cares about profit to fund SpaceX so they can crank out Starships and other stuff to get to Mars.
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>>13265598
Fuck China and their subversiveness of the west when it come to technological development.
Their space program is the most overhyped shit there is, even ESA probably is more advanced than CNSA.
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>>13263907
>Where are the superdracos?
That specific setup is the Cargo Dragon. Same shell, just different stuff inside.
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>>13265598
Looks more like NIMBY boomers mad they can't go to the beach every day
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>>13265618
To give credit to ESA, they actually developed their own rockets instead of just buying blueprints from the Russians.

iPhones have it written on the back
>Made in China, Designed in California

Chinese rockets have it written
>Cдeлaнo в Китae, Paзpaбoтaнo в Кopoлёв
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Here's another perspective of mine that you will find interesting. What broke up the stagnation of Europe after Rome fell? The steam engine right? Wrong. It actually happened before that, during the age of colonialism. It was this exhausted territory that couldn't really come up with ways to deal with the stagnation, which realized that there is territory out there that is still untouched to that day, so it went and exhausted that to revitalize itself. When the US revolted and formed its own country, it found itself administering a territory that was completely untouched, which then led to the complete dominance of everyone else even 200 years later. Because everyone else is stagnant.

It always seems that there's just more apples along the tree of low entropy, but there aren't. It's finite. The occasional luck of finding a region that is still lower entropy than the mainland is something that will not happen anymore. It's gone. Mars is higher entropy than Earth as it is and requires excess energy and matter just to make anything there function. Everything else around it is much worse. The reason why we still haven't colonized the deserts will be the reason why we'll never colonize Mars. And if we can't even find a return on our investment from Mars, which is supposed to be our low-entropy refuge from here, then we aren't finding it anywhere.

This will be the entire rest of our future as humans from now on. The lucky little discovery that gave European civilization another branch of low-entropy apples, that isn't happening ever again. And there's nothing in our proximity that can change this, nor any indication that we'll travel far enough to do so. It really is over.
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Indian Mars rover when?
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>>13265627
>That specific setup is the Cargo Dragon
Ahh that's why there's no launch abort on there, that makes sense now.
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>>13265614
yeah that's what I said
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>>13263871
The Expanse had spun-up dwarf planets and 5G+ capable torch ships. In terms
of stated travel times? Yeah, probably.
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>>13265634
*tips menorah*
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>>13265629
kek
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>>13265634
As long as the Sun exists, Earth isn't a finite entropy system. It perpetually renews itself. That said, its renewal capabilities can be outpaced by humans if there are too many of us and our demands on the natural system exceed its output.

>What broke up the stagnation of Europe after Rome fell?
The Black Death and the loss of 1/3 to 1/2 the population. Besides the obvious social shake-up that comes with so many people dying there were also the long term consequences, such as the death of feudalism, that arose from the Black Death. It set the seeds for what would eventually become enlightenment thought and all that stuff about personal individual liberty etc. etc.

tl;dr there are too many people. Reset the global population to what it was a century ago (approx 2 billion) and suddenly there's a lot more to go around.

And let's face it, vast swathes of the population are useless and extraneous. Not just in the third world (but they're especially useless) but in the first world too. I'm not a giant edgelord who would condone point-blank killing them but I do think governments should start looking at social mechanisms for slow and gradual decrease of populations. I think most people are greedy and self-centred enough that they could be convinced to take a bi-annual chemical sterilization shot for a decent financial stipend or large tax break.
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>>13265653
Yea, but I think by 2150 we will have figured out a way to spin Ceres.
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Use Starship in times of war to gobble up enemy satellites. *boom* no Kessler Syndrome to worry about.
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>>13265598
>"Environmentalist" (read chinese gov front) group is trying to stop the starship orbital flight from happening in 2021
What a bunch of asshats.

I'm honestly surprised that Elon hasn't simply made a private road for SpaceX to use themselves. Or even pay to have a new road paved for normies to drive along, letting SpaceX shut down the highway whenever they want, allowing another road available.
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>>13265637
>Ahh that's why there's no launch abort on there
Although, on second thought, I noticed the 2nd stage has the NASA worm on it, which means that is a photo of the Crew-1 mission. If that is the case, its highly possible the "Dragon" on the stand is simply a shell mockup for integration and fitting. The more I look at it, the more the cabin area looks completely fake.
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>>13265674
>I'm honestly surprised that Elon hasn't simply made a private road for SpaceX to use themselves. Or even pay to have a new road paved for normies to drive along, letting SpaceX shut down the highway whenever they want, allowing another road available.
This is why he wants to incorporate Starbase as its own town that he's in charge of. Then the road will be the responsiblity of his town, and he can dictate if it's open or not. He could keep the road permanently closed to the public if he so chose.

That doesn't mean he could close the beach though, that's a state law issue for which he'd still need to make applications to close off. At least the road problem would be sorted.

And honestly if SpaceX becomes as big and valuable and economically important to Texas as we all expect over the next few years, I could see them passing some sort of bill that excludes the beach near Boca Chica from that particular beach closure law.
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>>13265680
That's strange, I didn't even know they had non-functioning Dragon mockups.
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>>13265681
>That doesn't mean he could close the beach though, that's a state law issue for which he'd still need to make applications to close off. At least the road problem would be sorted.

I thought the same thing, if Elon does create Starbase, Texas, he can have a lot more freedom.
But it seems like more people cry about not being able to get to the beach as opposed to not having access to the highway. That's why I feel it would be ideal for another road to be paved, granting constant access even if the existing highway is closed down.s
Unless they are using the highway as the only entrance in order to keep people off the beach during testing.
Who knows, people will still bitch regardless.
Won't somebody think of the beetles.
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>>13265686
>I didn't even know they had non-functioning Dragon mockups.
Its more of a shell with the appropriate dimensions and mating surfaces so they can make sure a new second stage will correctly connect to the Dragon without needing a fully built one nearby.
Plus it allows them to not have to worry about damaging a multi-million dollar vehicle for an upcoming launch.
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>>13265661
>but I do think governments should start looking at social mechanisms for slow and gradual decrease of populations
This will never, ever happen until the welfare state is abolished entirely because that is an intergenerational pyramid scam.
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>>13265680
That's crew-1 in the integration room, no mock up.
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>>13265695
People would still be able to access the beach, just not via the road. They have an inalienable right to be on the beach, they don't have an inalienable right to access it through private roads.

Oh no, looks like the only road to access that entire strip of beach goes straight through Starbase. What a tragedy. Guess you'll have to buy a boat to access it!
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>>13265709
>That's crew-1 in the integration room, no mock up.
Huh, you're probably right. It looks almost fake in the horizontal position. The holes near the top of it look open and hollow.
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>>13265709
Are the superdracos in the black circles then? I'd always thought they were in those bits with the flag/nasa logo on them there, they're shaped like engines but are closed at the bottom.
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>>13265730
You can see circle shapes, maybe they're covered when not in use
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>>13265730
>>13265739
yeah, Super Dracos fly with covers on that get blown away in an abort
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>>13263343
>you will never receive your internet from Starlink-tans' flat tummy emissions
just beam that stomach directly into my brain please Elon
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Reminder starship will need 500 successful flights and landings as a bare minimum before it may carry people. Even one mishap will be enough to forever condemn it as a dangerous system compared to traditionally modeled safe and reliable launch systems.
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>>13265757
And pray tell, o concerned and virtuous messenger of public safety, what is a 'traditionally modelled safe and reliable' system in thine knowing eyes?

Because if it begins with S, finishes with S, and has an L in the middle of it, I shall have you hanged by the testicles until dead for the crimes of baiting and shilling.
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>>13265757
That's fine, we'll just launch people in orion.
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>>13265757
Safety is for chumps and pussies, get in the fucking rocket loser.
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>>13265669
what is it with these renders and making the payload bay way shorter than it actually is, there's like 4 ring sections of payload bay before the nosecone even starts
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>>13265757
>traditionally modeled safe and reliable launch systems.
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>>13265780
if you build an Orion I will fight for your ability to launch it from Earth
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>>13265776
It must pass ASAP review. Naturally, the SLS system you yourself mentioned most certainly passes everything it needs to pass and more and there are no fears whatsoever regarding its safety and reliability.
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>>13265756
based
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>>13265810
Get me a large bulldog clip and some rope, I have a hanging to perform.
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>>13265681
>that's a state law issue
Is there a state law that says you can't destroy beaches with rocket explosions?

>one failed full stack orbital launch later
No more beach - no more problems
Maybe also bill Mexico for making gulf of Mexico a bit bigger while at that
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>>13265669
>the enemy satellite is booby-trapped
>whoops, I guess I made the Kessler syndrome worse
Even if it's not booby-trapped intentionally, a captured sat won't "understand" what's happening and will try to correct it's attitude and position, which you probably don't want to happen in your cargo hold...
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>>13265820
>Is there a state law that says you can't destroy beaches with rocket explosions?
Well, no, not really

>No more beach - no more problems
The Texas consitutional law that guarantees public beach access defines the beach as the wet area between the water and the dry sand. You might note that the entire Boca Chica area for several miles inland consists of sand dunes.

Delete the beach = bring the beach even closer to SpaceX facilities

Maybe they could experiment with manipulating the longshore drift mechanics in the area by building groynes and strategically dumping barges full of rocks in shallow water and trying to grow the beach out to sea until it's just a useless narrow strip with a billion miles of sand dune behind it.
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>>13265825
>implying some puny sat thruster will do anything but waste its propellant
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>>13265825
>a captured sat won't "understand" what's happening and will try to correct it's attitude and position
Put a towel over the cage so it thinks it's time to sleep
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>>13265757
I have nothing wrong with this desu. That’s like 30 flights a year for 17 years, which would put the start of the “people mover” phase of a colony to 2038. I’m cool with that because personally, I don’t think we’ll have hundreds of thousands of people on Mars before the mid 2030s
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>>13265825
Fry the electronics with a microwave attack. Works against drones.
https://youtu.be/Rd_4l4CFZ3w

You'll probably want to be jamming the fuck out of the satellites anyway as you approach them.
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>>13265749
Wouldn't want some wasps nesting in there
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>>13263509
>became major player
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>13264854
Right. Time for NUUUUUUUUUUKES.
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>>13263476
>"habitable zones"

Pseudo spiritualist nonsense.

Most of Earth is not capable of sustaining human life without tools and technology. In places it can it often does so badly even if they seem like a "heaven" at first glance. Florida for example, is a very unpleasant place to be if you did not have access to air conditioning and pesticides, and most likely fatal if you were further regulated into the tech tree.

Point is "habitable zone" is a meme - humans are not entirely subjected to the whims of the environment.

Space is simply an environment that requires tools beyond a sharp stone and dry wood.
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>>13265929
>Florida is fatal without access to AC
Entirely wrong and I will not elaborate further.
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>>13265929
I don't think you understand what habitable zones are in the context of planetary and space sciences
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>>13265934
swampchads rise up
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>>13265929
iirc the concept of habitable zone only says anything about whether water is capable of existing in liquid form, since water is theorized to be essential for the development of life. you know, the whole universal solvent thing.

it says nothing about being livable for humans
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>>13264124
I watch:
>Matt Lowne
I don't really watch his space news videos all that often, but I do tune in to his KSP build videos. He's also an optometrist, so that's cool.
>Angry Astronaut
He's a good dad who makes honest mistakes. Despite the name, he's never really MAD about things. He also isn't afraid to put biases aside and criticize even his favorite companies and figures. I like the fact that he isn't really much of a sellout either, some people just donate to his patreon a little and he's good to go.
>Cost-Plus Content
An /sfg/ denizen who makes his own content. I like his objectivity and presentation.
>SpaceXVision
So GLaDOS decided to get in on the space industry. All kidding aside, he too is an /sfg/ user but hides his voice with a TTS system for some reason. But he makes pretty cool concepts, like the artificial gravity orbital Starship and the Starship Mega Tanker.
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>>13265929
Lol anon there were people at a neolithic level living in Florida just fine
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>>13265943
yeah have fun getting eaten by panthers
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>>13265946
The only kinds of cougars left in Florida I'd probably let catch me if you know what I mean.
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>>13265946
It's okay to admit you're just stupid.
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>>13265789
Actually, this render shows the ENTIRE payload bay being opened up on a hinge.
>>13265946
You're more likely to be gutted by a crackhead with a katana than have that happen in Florida. Seriously, Florida natives are a different breed of human species entirely.
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>>13265936
I thought the topic was on how certain political and ideological entities view habitable zones, rather than what habitable zones are as defined by astronomers.

A bit like those who claim nobody can stand spaceflight because
>I would go crazy if I can't go to the park every weekend!

>>13265934
Been there done that. Its hell and I swear it could be fatal without a tent to block the swarms of blood sucking parasites. Though if you reread the post you will see I did not say what you think I said.

Humans can deal with the environment. Airless or not its a matter of dedication. Glorifying Earth as some sort of spiritual object that cannot or should not be "abandoned" is retarded and such behavior and claims should be treated accordingly.
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>>13265851
>That’s like 30 flights a year for 17 years
That is extremely far below what SpaceX is aiming for. SpaceX wants to start doing dozens and then hundreds of flights per year as soon as they get reusability nailed down, so probably sometime in 2022.
For some reason, a lot of people completely underestimate the scale of what SpaceX is aiming for with starship.
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>>13264124
Terran Space Academy
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>>13265956
Floridians are the most powerful, and terrifying race.
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>>13265950
no don't you'll catch disease
>>13265956
there's only three things in Florida:
cubans, meth, and rockets
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>>13265959
>I thought the topic was on how certain political and ideological entities view habitable zones, rather than what habitable zones are as defined by astronomers.
lol wut

No you fucking retard. Habitable zone in the context of what we're talking about (in the SPACE FLIGHT GENERAL, not the sociology and anthropology general) is the distance from a star at which a hypothetical planet can sustain liquid water on its surface.

Stop fucking posting you god damn tourist and try lurking for a while.
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>>13265960
It's a SHLV bigger than Saturn V.

No way is it flying more than once or twice per year. I give it 10 flights total in its lifetime based on historical numbers.
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>>13265969
>So what's up with popsci going on about all this fearmongering about space colonization outside of habitable zones.

That is the reason for my post.
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>>13265970
>No way is it flying more than once or twice per year
It's already launching once a month with the second state testing.
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>>13265973
Lurk moar and you'd know. It's a variety of retarded special interest groups (dumb commies, idiots who think we should 'fix problems here before going to other planets', jews who don't want us escaping their planetary prison) who come up with whatever waffling nonsense they can think of to suggest why it's a bad idea to leave this planet.
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>>13265981
On a side note I've been following the space threads here since around block 4.
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>>13264124
>hullo
>everyday numale
Decent content every once in a while

>what about it
>marcus house
decent analysis

>labpadre
>nsf
decent livestreams

>nsf
decent news content

>3d animations youtube
some decent, some not

>others
irrelevant imo
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>>13265970
here's your (you)
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>>13265929
You realize habitable doesn't mean "where you can be comfortably behind a computer all day to shitpost on 4chan without dying from malaria", right?
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>>13265999
>implying anything less than that is worth it
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>>13265713
Build The Wall, then put a new bypass road just below it. Bonus when wall jumpers have to worry about running through traffic. The governor wants the state to finish the wall now, so maybe it could happen.
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>>13265810
>there are no fears whatsoever regarding its safety and reliability
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>>13266025
Nah. Wall, then metal spikes to impale hoppers, then road.
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>>13265970
Take my (you) up your ass
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any news?
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>>13266036
china launched a rocket and released some new pics from mars but other than that it's been dead
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https://www.inverse.com/innovation/what-company-will-get-to-space-first-spacex-blue-origin-virgin-galactic/amp
>SPACEX MARS CITY: BEZOS AND BRANSON REVEAL THE FLAW IN ELON MUSK'S VISION OF SPACE
Lmao this journo is retarded
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>>13266036
The auction for the seat next to Jeff Bezos on his suicide mission will be tomorrow at 12:45 PM EDT.
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>>13265825
Oh no, it's turning its reaction wheels and spitting with its ion thrusters, whatever will I do?
>>13265847
based
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>>13266041
wat are you planning froggy
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>>13266041
>coffins, free 1 day shipping
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>>13266041
so you get the opportunity to ride and talk with bezos himself before your eventual demise?
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>>13266040
it's 1.30am where I am. I don't need to induce a brain aneurysm in these early hours and yet I still clicked and read that stupid link.

Someone capable of posting such uninformed drivel is truly worthy of their degree in journalism.
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>>13266040
>anonymous interviews drooling twittard but it's literal who blog-tier news sites instead
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What happens if Jeff who actually goes bye bye?
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this guy is convinced that propane won't coke
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>>13266061
I don't know but who gets to inherit his wealth?
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>>13266061
personally I'm hoping that Branson's deathtrap kills him
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>>13266062
K?
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>>13266062
how intellectually bereft to you have to be to repost someone else's autism instead of coming out with your own
i bet it's from r*ddit too, sickening
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>>13266073
sorry I don't have enough time to both look at anime girls and also post enormous walls of text explaining my autism because I have a job
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>>13266061
>>13266068
What if they both die
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>>13266062
Isn't coking literally related to things like chamber pressure and temperature and fuel ratios? Surely for things cleaner than kerosene it can be dealt with using clever engineering?
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>>13266061
>space is hard
>see only governments should send people, cancel SpaceX's commercial crew and HLS contracts
>Only rovers allowed on Mars for the next 50 years, we can't take such risks
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>>13266077
yet you have all the time in the world for cope
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>>13266077
Yet you retain time to drop garbage in /sfg/'s lap and expect anons to care about it.
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>>13266078
Then SpaceX ninjas are the most terrifying force on the planet
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>>13266082
Imagine if private (all) spaceflight ban is jeff who's space legacy.
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>>13266081
it's about there being enough free hydrogen floating around to scoop up any carbon atoms that bond to any surface, because radical carbon with a single hydrogen attached is a gas
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Another tower section heading to pad right now

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYZaaz8UbRE
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>>13266078
that would be the funniest timeline and thus is impossible
>>13266083
>>13266086
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>>13266036
https://spaceflightnow.com/2021/03/17/northrop-grummans-pegasus-rocket-selected-for-responsive-launch-demo/
One of Stratolaunch's leftover Pegasus rockets is gonna carry some unidentified spook-sat for the Space Force on Sunday. I thought Virgin Galactic's Tubular Bells mission was up next but that appears to be pushed back a little, still on for June apparently though.
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>>13266095
it's a crime that this isnt up already
what are they even doing
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>>13266061
His ex inherits all his Amazon shares I'd assume.
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=WGL00wHT_A4
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>>13266096
I dunno anon. Remember that we live in a timeline that seems to go out of its way to give results that infuriate 50% of the population all the time
>orange man wins
>half the population seethes, half laughs at the seethers
>senile man wins
>half the population seethes, half laughs at the seethers

We live in a cruel reality that takes pleasure from our suffering and has optimised existence in such a manner as to induce a reliable constant flow of seething and laughter.

Having said that, the likely outcome would be Bezos and Branson both dying within a week of each other (Branson experiencing a RUD at 80,000ft, Bezos dying on impact when his parachute fails to deploy). We'd laugh for a few days and then immediately start gnashing of teeth and wailing when the government brings in hard new measures on safety in the private space flight sector that make it almost impossible for Musk to function.

I hate this world.
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>>13266102
What the hell is putting the space force up there? Reconnaissance satellites?
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>>13266113
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>>13266103
>>13266095
It seems like they plan on stacking them right after each other
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>>13266116
All it says is that it's a 'tactical response tech demonstrator', which first made me think it's some anti-sat missile test, but then further down it says it's an 'orbital launch service mission' so maybe it's gonna go rendezvous with another sat to demonstrate the ability to get in another satellite's personal space?

Also, Taikonauts are going up in a week, maybe.
https://earthsky.org/space/shenzhou-12-mission-launch-2021/
I thought they were going to add the other two modules first, all it is so far is the core and cargo modules as far as I know.
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>one death away from spaceflight being banned
This is a prison.
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>Page 10 reached

Commence staging the threads: >>13266148

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>>13266148

>>13266148
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>>13266146
We must escape it or destroy it, either way we cannot persist this way for long.
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>>13266118
Yeah, My guess is that they dont feel comfortable about keeping that long ass boom up incase of strong winds.
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>>13266102
BASED stratochad
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>>13265340
450m for 2rpm and 1g
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>>13265956
>Actually, this render shows the ENTIRE payload bay being opened up on a hinge.
yes, and its still too fucking short



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