Why does it work?
>>13262521>Why does it work?Because you want it to work.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo
micro-inflammation something something disrupts nerve signals
>>13262534yeah something about stimulating nerve pathways
IT JUST WORKS BRO
>>13262521But it doesn’t, and when it “does” it’s a placebo effect
Imagine trusting Eastern MedicineEastern Massage is almost all bullshitWestern Massage is better and more medically accurate because we invented western medicinet. studied Eastern Medicine related to massage for 6 months in Massage Therapy school(The other 6 months spent studying western massage actually makes sense)
>muh placeboIf it works, it's as good as the real thing.
>>13262576>my knees hurt>better go break off a bunch of needles in it!
>>13262529>>13262563>>13262577The placebo effect appears to be one of the most powerful forces in medicine and no one who studies it is taken seriously.
>>13262576>>13262567>>13262556Holy fuck why do they break off so easily?
>>13262753Will power is an great untapped potential.
>>13262556>>13262567>>13262576How would you even get these out?
>>13262521Probably a variety of reasons, from stimulating nerves to breaking up bound fascia. >>13262563If it placebo'd away the inflammation in my big toe (objectively observable) that's pretty impressive.
>>13262991Have a lot of money so you can have as many surgeries as you need to have them removed.
>>13262753>no one who studies it is taken seriouslyWhat the fuck you mean they aren't taken seriously? We know that it is a thing. It has been studied. It's just that you can't use it if you're a doctor because the patient has ways to know you're prescribing him just sugar, and also you could open yourself up for some lawsuits.
>>13262991put them in an mri and turn it on
>>13262774the needles are thin as fuck
>>13262753most important is anti placebo effect. curse. covid is recent example.
>>13263100>It's just that you can't use it if you're a doctor because the patient has ways to know you're prescribing him just sugarPE works even if you know you've been given a sugar pillhttps://www.apa.org/monitor/2011/03/placebosDoctors don't use it because it's free.
>>13263206It also doesn't work on unconscious people. We gonna start sugar-pilling people in a medical coma or worse, use placebo for anesthetics?
>>13262576>>13262567>>13262556this cant be normal or good
>>13263206i always thought i was special for my ability to treat myself with placebo
>>13263253I'm not suggesting we replace all medicine with placebos, dum-dum
>>13262991really big strong magnet
>>13262992Wow, it helped with a condition that the body normally gets better with no outside help? That's incredible.
>>13262753The placebo effect is studied in literally every drug trial and we consistently find drugs that surpass its ability.
>>13262521It's weird. It works because people think it works. I have a French teacher who had some sort of neck pain back in high school. Doctors have no idea what the fuck is wrong with her. Every hour or so, she would have such an intense neck pain, she would crane her neck to one side, and keep it there with one of her hands. Sometimes she'd go an entire class with her neck craned.One student there (who's Chinese) recommended her to get free acupuncture sessions at her family's clinic. This was halfway through the 2nd term. For the rest of the school year, she never had neck pain again, and never had to crank her head to one side to alleviate it.Either it works through some sort of unexplainable mechanism, or placebo solved her chronic neck pain attacks.
>>13263206>Doctors don't use it because it's free.'Does it work better than placebos?' is literally what's being tested when we trial most medical interventions.
>>13262529I've had this clear sinus congestion before. If medicine thinks it's a placebo, medicine needs to investigate placebos more.
>>13265322>Every hour or so, she would have such an intense neck pain, she would crane her neck to one side, and keep it there with one of her hands.sounds like she was creating her neck pain
>>13264612My toe had been inflamed basically my entire life. It got better only after a few rounds of acupuncture.What's more incredible is your active desire to remain ignorant.
>>13265322>Either it works through some sort of unexplainable mechanismThe Chinese have entire books dedicated to the theory behind it. We just don't want to believe it because we'd rather do medicine that justifies huge profits and lots of expensive equipment.
>>13262529Okay so how does placebo work?
>>13263100You americans have an issue with your legal system.
>>13266848Profits matter man. Even if we could explain acupuncture better than chinese and make really useful, putting cheaply made needles doesn't make money.
>>13262556>>13262567WHAT THE FUCK
>>13262521I seriously doubt physiology of nervous system is advanced enough to answer this question of yours. Maybe you should make some good science in this field.
>>13265577>sounds like she was creating her neck painHow so? Her neck had pain on one side, so she had to turn it to the other to alleviate the pain.
>>13262529Placebo doesn't work on dogs, yet it seems to work really well in my Dachshund. I had acupuncture before, the places they puncture you helps relaxing.
>>13267043lol, turning your whole neck off center and holding it there is only going to cause your other side to hurt in the long run. idk it coulda been a lot of things, pinched nerve somewhere, maybe semi-slipped disc? or maybe even worn/pulled muscles and bruised tendons, possibly from the craning of ones neck
>>13267058hahahaha imagine torturing your dog because it showed pain. uh huh, you cured your dog big timeplease stop being alive for the sake of humanity
>>13267118Have you ever heard of slipped disc? The dog was in constant pain regardless of the high dose of painkillers. In the height of the pain crisis we took it to acupuncture as a last resort before putting her down, and it worked wonders. Now she takes a lower dose and lives normally. When we see that the painkillers are not working properly, we take her to a session, and it "resets" the pain.
>>13266848This sounds like it makes sense, except if it were true, then the Chinese would monopolize this market with their magic medicine as that would net more money than right now.
>>13267153you fucking idiot.
>>13266896>The purpose of medicine is making money, not healthThis is the problem with western medicine, it has its priorities backwards. Money is simply a means, it should not be an ends. But this is screwing up our entire society as people care more about dollar signs than accomplishments.>>13267312Most people trust what their authorities tell them. How many people pay out their ass for surgeries and medications that end up not being effective (a lot, in my experience). Just because it works doesn't mean it will gain popularity. Most people are incapable of questioning their doctor.
>>13267118You are a disgusting waste of flesh.
>>13267323Why am I an idiot if the dog is feeling way less pain? Should I tell the dog that she is a sheep that believes in pseudo-science and that it is all a placebo in her mind?
>>13262576These are purposefully put inside and brokem by the way, usually made of gold. It's for continued stimulation, whatever that may mean. Personally after that one movie scene of one dude falling on the floor with needles all over him I'm entirely terrified.
>>13262576This must hurt a lot, holy shit. Fucking alt medicine not even once.
>>13267116No, like I said, she went to doctors and specialists and none of them knew what's wrong with her. It only hurts one way, and it doesn't hurt "the other way" when she turns her neck.
>>13263101>>13263696You joke, but what would actually happen if this guy stepped in MRI scanner? Would he just die? I mean some of them probabaly dont know they have metal pieces in their body from acupuncture
>>13263204I was listening to a lecture about witches and how many were realistically burned, and there's a story out of Britain where an old man made an old lady drop an egg, or some such, and she was so mad that she cursed him. He ended up dying on the spot. It's thought that this particular old lady was actually thought to be a prominent witch of the time, and that the act of getting cursed from someone like that put such a strain on his body that he had a heart attack and died. No having meant to killed him, the old lady turned herself in. She was unironically executed for it.
>>13262753Jesus was onto something with the whole faith can move mountains thing.