The one true way edition.Previous thread: >>12935021
>>12938050Colonialism is bad and should be banned by UN law
>posts in /sci/>Doesn't know the difference between of and have
>>12938063Why didn't they add a small propeller on top to blue off the dust from top of the solar panels?
>>12938074Persy is good mom, and in case of need returns, and dust it off.
Here's a fun question for you dorks, presuming viable life extension (lets say giving us lifespans on the order of thousands of years) and trivialisation of such problems as food, if you were given a spacecraft capable of easily traversing between stars at appreciable-percentages-of-c speeds where would you go and what would you do? I think I'd go around looking for a pleasant habitable planet then reenacting all of humanity's technological progress by myself>inb4 RKV
>>12938066The UN is bad and should be abolished with high explosives.
>>12938050Rest assured their will be people ADAMANTLY opposed to introducing life to other planets.They do not want to spoil the natural environment of other planets.
>>12938050>nitrogen needed for plants is going to fuse magically just because elon cuck said so>plants are going to magically fuse carbon into oxygenyou guys are retarded
>>12938142based>>12939839dumb I will shoot corn at Mars
>>12938103I would do 2 things.find a mars like world with brine oceans and see if I can save it through terraforming.
>>12938103find an earth like exo moon of a gas giant in the habitable zone and study it closely, maybe artificially induce evolution and create a humanoid race where I can be their god.
>>12940913Cyanobacteria will fix nitrogen.
lol Mars will never, ever be "terraformed" not until the end of the universe ,theres literally only the Earth
>>12938050Just a reminder that terraforming Mars has been shown to not be possible with current technologies and that the just pump greenhouse gases into the atmosphere doesn't work.https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/goddard/2018/mars-terraforming/
>>12941137just ship earth's greenhouse gases to mars
>>129411376.9% is more than high enough to have liquid water on the surface, particularly low altitude areas. Plus you can heat the atmosphere more by producing chlorofluorocarbons and building giant mirrors in orbit. Then we can introduce cyanobacteria which will start slowly oxygenating the atmosphere. We can at least start the process this century, although it may take 100s of years to see the full fruits of our labor
>>12941147impractical>>12941211nope. Liquid water is still not stable on the surface at these pressures. It's from "Inventory of CO 2 available for terraforming Mars"
>>12941306fuck it then, find the Wizard of Mars and ask if he could he dit
What are “super green house gases” anyways
Wouldn't it be comfy to one day rent a starship for a flight when the price drops for /a/nons for their long duty of shit posting online.
>>12938050Stupid question:Can we terraform this space rock?
Jesus fucking christ, i just finished watching ESAs agenda 2025 media briefing and it is depressing as hell. It is pretty much the opposite of a SpaceX presentation. There Elon goes on stage and presents a clearly laid out vision, some engineering stuff with concrete numbers, a goal and some dates (the accracy of witch is debatable, but i digress).ESA Agenda 2025 was a 30 minute slog of vague directions (''we need to be more active in the security/defence sector'', ''we need to be more dynaic and responsive'' i think that was said five times), absolutely no grand vision, no proposals for anything concrete at all. Ariane 6 was mentioned once as the only actual thing mentioned, no missions, no new technology.Top this off with a call to replace the 20% of ESA staff that will be retiring soon with fucking diversity and it all made for an extremely depressing watch. I hope ESA gets it shit together, but with the infinite bullshit of the EU i can't see that happen in a meaningfulway. Ariane 6 will be a dead weight on the whole agency, with enormous launch costs that offers nothing that foreign competitors can't do cheaper. I can only see it as an expensive must-have for any ESA science mission.As for those missions, i see nothing of interest. They seem to be doing well in Earth observation but when a smaller state like japan can accomplish so much, both scientific but also engineering wise with missions like Hayabusa, i predict ESA is going to seriously fall behind there.
>>12942333I'll write some more because i'm, still angry and there mroe to be said. The thing the ESA director seemed most proud of was hist statement of assurance of comitment to Europe and the european commissio, which he outlined to the head of the EU. Basically he wrote some letter to someone. Great.I canot see ESA being a serios space agency when the EU guys that hold its leash have absolutely no interest in space, besides fucking climate. It is impossible to suggest anything bold without some pearl clutcher yammering about the imminent climate crisis and about how anything but complete commitment to it is completely uncalled for.
Would be nice if ESA actually made some use of that Moon Cruiser tug.
Do space stations become economical with starship? I assume the problem of actually building shit considering nasa gave up on it, not putting the material up
>>12942631>Do space stations become economical with starship?yes, nasa spent roughly 110 billion putting the iss into orbit, starship could do the same thing (400 tons) for around 20-80 million, probably 40-50ish million
Fuck $c4h io Hes a bad guy, fucking omega a canceled,, fuck elon musk, fduck spacex, hurt my family commie fucker
So what are the implications for spaceflight if any?
>>12942787everyone point and laugh at the Northrop virgin
>>12942793what the fuck is that bullshit over engineered oldspace tier sls shit
>>12938050this pic is so cringe
>>12941952We literally cannot unterraform it because terragorming means making earth like.
>>12942795Im Not a virgin yeah ym widfe isnt hte horttedst hhgoirl dhhes prozbbvaly 30o pohnundsf bvtf atrlkeasdrt ihaev a wifge
Just heat Up mars with nuclear explosions Pum terraformed
>>12942816this isnt me, fucking elon fands trying tomake fun of me,, they can't be hoenest
>>12939839The 4ASS Venus lander "Venereal 1" must therefore include a payload of extremophile bacteria, just to shut them up forever.>"Yeah there's life on Venus. My team put it there.">don sunglasses, spin 360 degrees, and roll away on heelies
Why has nobody tried a water landed spaceplane? Seems to me like it would at least partially solve the "complexity and payload fraction to orbit" problem that people love to sperg about.
>>12942835A space shuttle that landed on water like a flying boat would simply ooze SOVL
>>12942835just catch the plane out of the sky, who needs landing legs? boeing should get with the times
>>12942860S O V L
>>12942793What is this?
So can anyone tell me what the FUCK they need one of these for at Boca Chica?
>>12942885To hoist Elon's colossal ego out of bed every morning.
>>12942835Flying boats have harsh aerodynamic penalties and seawater is corrosive. Capsules with parachutes are unironically a better choice for water landing.
>>12938066>UN lawThe UN has no authority over anything other than their headquarters building and even that could be revoked at anytime by the United States.
>>12942896Flying boats have aero penalties because they need V shaped hulls to take off from the water. If you're just landing on the water you can get away with pretty much any shape with a "bow" that will float. I'm almost positive Dream Chaser could be water landed with the addition of a small drop-down rudder in the rear to prevent looping. >Corrosion 1, Dragon and Crew dragon2. Land it in fresh water then. The descent is guided because spaceplane so you could land it in pretty much any river or lake.
>>12942797G-2 muon experiment or something at Fermi, pretty cool. Found a flaw in the standard model.
>>12942833Ah, the Mayor Daley technique. He wanted to turn Meigs Field into a park but the people who flew their private jets in and out wanted it to remain a business airport and threatened to go to court to force the city to keep the airport going. So in the middle of the night the mayor had sections of the runway bulldozed. Then it was too late for a court to do anything.
>>12942885Thunderdome! Musk and the FAA pencil pusher are going to have a death match in there. Two men enter, one man leaves.
>>12942935Exactly, we must render their arguments moot before they gain legal teeth.
>>12942941Dueling really needs to be brought back
>>12942793Muons are based
richard branson seems like such a sleeze
Cognitive dissonance brosI want to like Elon because SpaceX is based but I can’t bring myself to admire a jewHow do anons deal with this?
>>12943200Elon is not.
>>12941306If only critics had to pay the price in creating a negative value. Optimists pay the price in failed ventures. Critics who get proven wrong should be shot to death so as to disincentivize these behaviour. Without paying the price for their failed criticism, they just continue to move the goalposts around
>>12943223>Critics who get proven wrong should be shot to deatha public flogging would suffice
>>12943200Elon is an afrikaner, not a jew.
>>12943200Hes dutch english...
it would probably be easier to modify ourselves than mars
>>12943214>>12943236>>12943241Is this serious?It’s an open secret that he’s a member of the tribe through his mother’s side. One of those “not a kike” kikes who is still eligible for a birthright trip
>>12943280>source: dude trust meGenealogical proof or fuck off.
>>12942539ESA is a joke
>>12941952We have been doing so since the industrial age.
>>12943280His mother is absolutely not Jewish
>>12943288Spaceplanes, SSTOs are shut but could become viable in the future
>>12942793>uh ya, our experiments concluded that we can measure things more precisely than before. also inconclusive :^)
>>12943365Actually, you are cringe
hey, you. listen to bluemars. it's an ambient music stream.http://echoesofbluemars.org
>>12938066don't worry. that's the product of a deluded mind. it was probably conceptualized in an asylum
Feeling really /comfy/ right now. Making significant progress towards publishing my first space related manuscript. My professor has no interest in space and has been trying to discourage me from pursuing this, but screw it - just going to do it myself and chart my own course. Feels really good, man.
>>12938066There are no natives in space, so it's not actually bad to do in space.
>>12938103The interstellar equivalent of buying a house, fixing it up, and selling it for a profit I guess.You know: Lay claim to some shithole system, build up some infrastructure, terraform its' planets and planetoids into veritable paradises, and then sell it for a 'quick' buck.
>>12943496>build up some infrastructure, terraform its' planets and planetoids into veritable paradises, and then sell it for a 'quick' buck.Interstellar Real estate anon that’s the way to go to make big galactic bucks
>>12943459No. The set of available environmental resources is completely different between Earth and Venus. I think just about the only way to do it is by physically removing most of the atmosphere by getting rid of that 96.5% fraction of CO2. If you could do that, Venus has more than enough nitrogen to create an Earthlike atmosphere after you've re-introduced some oxygen gained from splitting the removed CO2.
>>12943539Create a giant vacuum blimp air balloon farther it travels up more collets oxygen then send it to Venus
>not terraforming sun
>>12943461Based anon, keep at it, we're all gonna make it
>>12941137>>12941306Any serious terraforming effort would require offworld resources to be shipped over, yes.>>12942333I grow concerned about the future of spaceflight just being one entity, if this is the state of non-SpaceX efforts.
>>12938103We gonna Noah's Ark this bitch.>Steal a pretty lady and some animals from earth from earth>Fly to nearest uninhabited planet that can support life >Stockholm the pretty lady into being my wife and impregnate her during the journey>Arrive at planet, drop off pretty lady, the animals, and some life support equipment>Fly off at relativistic speeds for a few days, then turn around and come back>Dime dilatation means that while I was gone she gave birth to a daughter and raised her for a few years>HoneyI'mHome.jpg>Impregnate wife>Fly off at relativistic speeds and repeat>Impregnate all the daughters and granddaughters and great granddaughters etc. as time moves onOne world. One man-turned-God. I will rule it all as a king. Their king. Ad Infinitum.
>>12943569What about your sons?
>>12943595They will be allowed to form relationships and have children of their own only after the number of fertile women becomes too great for me to productively impregnate alone.
>>12942922>Flying boats have aero penalties because they need V shaped hulls to take off from the water.Most of the extra drag actually comes from the step on the bottom despite how small it is because it disturbs airflow over the large area of the plane body. You don't really need the step *that much* on a plane that only lands on water but doesn't take off from it, and you also don't want something sticking out of the bottom on a reentry vehicle and if you still need one you're probably better off with a retractable ski design like on a sea dart.
>>12943633Either way I think it's worth a feasibility study at least. I can only find one paper about it from like 15 years ago and all it says is "sounds neato, someone should try it"
>>12942922I would imagine the corrosion comes with the engines. Dragon probably gets away with it because the superdracos sit high enough up and they are hypergolic so it can take a wallop. But even an engine as reusable as an RS-25 or a Raptor wouldn’t function well by taking a dunk into seawater. [this is all speculation though]
>>12941137>Just casually ignores the plan for an artificial magneto-sheate using a 2 Tesla magnet at Mars L1Cool story bro
>>12943300Maybe, but ATV is based and cargopilled
>>12943788For what actual purpose? To save 100 grams of atmosphere/second from the big mean solar wind?
>>12943817Not him but>Reduces high energy radiation to the surface
>>12938063Maybe the vibration and turbulence will dust it off when it flies?They could have just dangled some soft bristles from Perserverance's belly and dusted it off by driving over it. That or a little tube to puff compressed air at it.
>>12941137>relying only on stuff from MarsngmiSeriously, what the fuck are you thinking?
>>12938066>banned by UN law
>lets terraform a planet and cover 95% of its surface resources in no-go zones like oceans and parks because gweeen <3
>>12943847So would adding atmosphere
>>12943910this but unironically
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6-pxKOnvyo&list=LL&index=196Brings a tear to my eye.
>>12943911What if we dig a hole
>>12943927NOW you're fucking talking, bud.
>>12941137You don't want 100% atmosphere, nor can you get it with anything but type 2 civ. You want enough pressure to pass the armstrong limit so that people don't die from vacuum exposure when a suit cracks.The reasons are twofold:>liquid water>oxygen masksI'll leave it to you and anons to figure out why these two are very beneficial for large human population on Mars.
>>12943904But UN have an army
>>12942333Those idiots will never achieve anything of significance. The future of space exploration is private companies and China.
>>12944051>The future of space exploration is private companies.ftfy
>>12944056>the future of space is capitalism because... because... because it just is OK? CCCP pioneered every space technology
>>12944068the Americans lost the space race because they were too busy with political bickering to get their act together
>>12943663I think the biggest problem as far as reusability goes is thermal protection that can survive water landing right after reentry, and multiple times at that. Ablative tiles have limited life by definition and shuttle's TPS couldn't even handle fucking rain in flight. Also I forgot was it buran or shuttle or both but they had to treat the tiles with special hydrophobic compound shortly after landing or they soaked so much water just from humidity in the air there was a risk of them popping off during the subsequent launch when the water starts to evaporate and freeze in vacuum on ascent, in addition to all the extra weight.
>>12944076This. So much this. Just look at how far ahead of the Americans the Europeans have gotten after strengthening their ties with China; ESA has left NASA in the dust.
>>12944094"the space race" in this case being Sputnik and Gagarin as compared to the like five different programs the Americans were running, after Sputnik things got sorted out real quick and then the Americans went to the fucking moonthen it all went to shit again for fifty fucking years so whatever
>>12943461I would like to read it when you are done, or just anytime really. Sounds comfy
>>12942333>They seem to be doing well in Earth observation but when a smaller state like japan can accomplish so much, both scientific but also engineering wise with missions like HayabusaYou do now Hayabusa was a clusterfuck right? The spacecraft suffered multiple reactional wheel and ion engine failures. It carried a mini-lander which was ejected into space by bad programming. Worst of all the pellet gun that was supposed to kick dust into the sample chamber never fired. And so they got a few tiny grains of dust.JAXA have terrible quality control problems (e.g. Astro-E, Suzaku, Hitomi, Nozomi). Even the missions which do succeed are humble and niche. Just compare Hitomi to ESA's Athena. Or Akari with it's 70 cm telescope to ESA's highly successful Herschel (3.5m). ESA should keep on trucking with it's scientific program, but work on increasing the budget. It dominates the medium weight astronomy missions, where NASA has the large gap between flagships and MIDEX.
>>12938050Colonizing mars is stupid.All plan to magically transform the atmosphere into a survivable one -even a still not breathable- are built over magic and wishful thinking.It's far more efficient, less costly, and easier to learn to build and live in much comfier giant space colonies. It's also safer for mankind as more survivable on the long term.Do it right and we will become an interSTELLAR species before we bother terraforming a planet.In fact it's likely that by the time we have the technology to terraform a planet we have the technology to transform our body so as to not require to live on a planet at all.
>>12943788That magnet won't protect the human from radiation, it just prevent charged particle from slowly stripping the atmosphere.Unless you can thicken the atmosphere the colonist would at least get a cancer.
>>12944361>live in the middle of fucking nowhere in a tiny habitatnot retarded at all
>>12944361o'neill ran the calculations. the best place to live is uranus ;)
>>12944385Infinitely better than living in a tinier habitat in a deadlier environment at the bottom of a gravity well that make it more difficult to get supply, build and trade.>>12944392The Jovian system would be extremely attractive by itself, having a colony around Europa would give us access to more propellant than we could ever use.
>>12944361>terraformanybody talking about terraforming is a smoothbrain, it's all about paraterraforming
>>12944403the gravity well is a trivial impediment to any real spaceship (see: Starship) and the atmosphere and crust are a tremendous boon for transportation and materialsimagine needing to propulsively transfer everything you need forever lmao
>>12944361>efficiencyFuck efficiency. What ever happened to doing shit just because we feel like it?
>>12944435That's never been a thing
>>12944537Asserting dominance and gaining international status in not "because we feel like it", especially if you are competing with the USSR for it.
>>12942927They really really hope to find a flaw but they have not yet done so. Maybe they have seen the reflection of a shadow cast by a flaw but it's too early to tell.
>>12944403>more difficult to aquire supplies>compared to literally the middle of nowhere with zero (0) supplies or raw materialsyour mind on o meme cylinders
>>12944552So can anyone give an explanation as to what that thing is?
>>12942927There’s like 900 flaws in the standard model. At this point finding more of them doesn’t do much for us since no one’s managed to create a new, better model using the plethora of one’s we’ve found before.
>>12944556Looks like a particle accelerators to me
>>12943911It is my understanding that mars lacks atmosphere these days because its own magnetosphere pittled out allowing solar wind to strip away martian atmosphere. Just pumping up a tire with a hole isn't going to fix the hole.
>>12944361You don’t need to terraform planets to live on them, so your premise is false and your argument invalid because of that.>transform our body so as to not require to live on a planet at all.Kys soi bugman
Which thread is it then???
>>12944540That's exactly what "because we feel like it" is.
>>12944575>>12944556The Fermi lab experiments aren't /sfg/ but they are trying to reconcile a disparity between mathematically calculated theory and observation. Wobble of spinning muons is slightly more than the math predicts so the thinking is that a new fundamental force might be poking the muons amd causing the additional wobble. I choose to believe, without any factual basis, that the wobble is going to unmask a new, easily deployable propulsion source that gives me a personal flying saucer for weekend jaunts to el moon for the cost of a bottle of whiskey.
Reminder that the tweets about catching starship upper stage were not a joke. You will never watch a starship land clean on it's own.
>>12944599What relevance does this have to QI? Has this discovery made QI more or less likely to be true?
>>12944599>gives me a personal flying saucer for weekend jaunts to el moon for the cost of a bottle of whiskey.you can already do that with a bottle of whiskey
Question for that anon that knows a lot about telescopes, how does the shape of the telescope reflector affect anything, suppose you had two mirrors of the same diameter, but one mirror is more curved, and the sensor is therefore farther away, what is the implication of this?
>>12944599>personal flying saucer
>>12944601how will it land on Mars then?
>>12944601just the natural progress of a project that claims it will reduce cost, you start simple and just make it more complicated along the way until it is expensive. I said it before and Ill say it again; Starship is just Shuttle 2.0
>>12944676Actually it will still be propulsive landing on Mars due to lower gravity making everything easier. There is no point making it a self contained landing system on Earth with hardmode gravity when they can possibly build something on the ground that makes it easier.
>>12944649I believe that's called focal length. I think the lower the number the wider the field of view for a given eyepiece.
What technology developed for the moon/mars could also be used on Earth?Watched a few videos and my whole view on spaceflight shifted ever so slightly. I still very think we need to get to mars ASAP but I think we also should be 10x more aggressive in going renewable on earth to at least slow the degradation of the environment
>>12944605>What relevance does this have to QI? None. QI isn't really a model anyway, but it has nothing to do with particle physics.
>>12944649>>12944714It is the focal length. A longer focal length means you get more magnification with a given eyepiece or camera. Conversely it means you have a smaller field of view.
>>12944416>paraterraformingIt's just a fancy way of saying "lot of bigger space habitat"While I'm not against, those can be built anywhere including the Moon, and meme-cylinder can have the gravity they want.>>12944423>I'm a musk shillThe atmosphere of Mars is a pain, too thin for flight even with reduced gravity, to thin for aerobraking outside of small probes but thick enough you'll need extra maintenance and heating.>imagine needing to propulsively transfer everything you need forever lmaoExactly what you'll be forced to do on Mars but with higher cost in propellant and less launch windows.Unlike what you have been fed by musk and poorly made SF you won't have magical factory that can fit in a Spacestruck to make Mars independent.A Moon colony would more likely to become independent in resources than Mars. The means of getting them will just be different (and cheaper).You need aerobraking and engine to land on Mars? On the moon you could build a magnetic catcher on the surface itself.We both know you'd switch to a space elevator as soon as you can.With proper superstructure you could in theory go anywhere in the solar system without using propellant.>>12944435>because we feel like it?>weIf it's not profitable for mankind, or at least one country and its population, then the only reason for the 1% to make you work for it will be their own personal amusement.Musk isn't going to give you a ticket to his Mars Resort unless you go there to work for him.>>12944554>wanting to live down a gravity well>compared to everywhere you want, linked to the same infrastructure you'll need for real colonizationYour mind on musk-aid>>12944578My premise is that Mars is a stupid choice for colony (unless you want 0.3G with a low ceiling)At least you understood you don't actually need Mars and could colonize anywhere else.Enjoy your short life, if I could I would engineer myself to be immortal, a bug would remain more human than you are.
>>12944753a Mars base is necessarily a perfectly sustainable human environment. Almost everything invented to enable a Mars base can be used towards environmentalist ends on Earth.
>>12942793That thing looks like it's about to have a resonance cascade and open a portal to Xen
>>12943461Nice. Working on an interplanetary scifi story myself, with some Lovecraftian elements.
How feasible is ramjet-assisted air launch to orbit?I was brainstorming a small air-launched spaceplane orbiter for the USSF that would use ramjet propulsion up to the karman line before switching to a conventional bell nozzle engine that burns methalox (or possibly ramjet and plug nozzle rockets sharing nacelles). This would increase fuel efficency so much that the orbiter would not need to carry an enormous expendable external tank.In the case of scramjet assisted launch, the mothership plane would need to be (resonably) supersonic, but the orbiter could save even more on fuel needs.
>>12944818The molten salt reactor nuclear-thermal version of that runs great in KSP. It's almost a torch ship.
>>12944590If there is a need and a beneficial result, it's because of a need and driven by a benefit. Hardly whimsical.
>>12944818I think Stratolaunch is working on something like this right now.
>>12944818Myself I'm putting money on the Synergetic Air-Breathing Rocket Enginehttps://www.theengineer.co.uk/sabre-precooler/If the basic concept work I see no reason it can't be fused with a ramjet and achieve even higher performance.
>>12944890This literally is a turbofan, a ramjet, and an a rocket combined into one system.Very ambitious, but unproven.
>>12944774>My premise is that Mars is a stupid choice for colony (unless you want 0.3G with a low ceiling)0.3 g is plenty, and there’s nothing preventing the ceiling from being a hundred feet high.>At least you understood you don't actually need Mars and could colonize anywhere else.Mars is the best colonization target in the solar system. Other locations don’t have as good a resource mixture.> Enjoy your short life, if I could I would engineer myself to be immortalBut you can’t. You’ll die as a normal human like everyone else, and your satanic bugman fantasies will remain fantasies.
>>12944784Environmentalism is an anti-human religion and should be exterminated
>>12944916>Mars is the best colonization target in the solar system. Other locations don’t have as good a resource mixture.
>>12944890The Sabre heat exchanger enables the Serpent Arcjet-NTR, which is cool.http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/realdesigns4.php#scorpion
>>12944921the desire to keep the Earth comfortable for humans is as humanist as it gets. You've memed yourself into being anti-human.
>>12944932Titan is extremely metal poor, anon.
>>12944921Global warming will absolutely destroy Earth unless we stick to strict capitalism
>>12944950Mars is extremely atmosphere poor, water poor and organics poor
Does Starship still have ass to ass refuel?
>>12944975Yes, nothing else makes sense.
>>12944932Titan is cool but doesn’t have the metals we need
>>12941757 >abominable intelligence claiming anything for imperium
>>12944945>the desire to keep the Earth comfortable for humans is as humanist as it getsWe make Earth more comfortable for us by bulldozing nature and building suburbs.
>>12944954>Global warming will absolutely destroy EarthMind-boggling that people think this is possible
>>12944994and making weather more comfortable by releasing co2
>>12945000Indeed! Fuck snow. The plants like it too, because it makes them grow faster.
>>12944997If they start rejecting things the judenpresse tell them, they quickly wind up here.
sn15 rolling out
>>129449160.3G is unhealthy for human by the way, you'll need genetic engineering.If you don't want any your only choice are rotating space colony.>Mars is the best colonization target in the solar system. Other locations don’t have as good a resource mixture.Plenty of moons have the same resources, including Luna. The only difference is how easily you can access them and Mars is nowhere at the top.The idea that Mars have everything better than other is just propaganda from the kind of Mars fanboy who would back Mars one-way scam.>satanic bugmant.reptilian illuminati
>>12945034>>12945055Not him but on labs stream they've moved it out of the highbay
>>12944944Oh niceIt's amusing to see all the extra feature like the rotating cabin just in case you land it on the moon.https://youtu.be/d_s0FS06WNQ?t=979
>>12944921Spoken like an alien spy who want Earth to be hotter before they invade>>12944954>unless we stick to strict capitalismWhat is that "strict" that's supposed to make capitalism less polluting?
>>12945097da comrade, surely communism will prevent pollution
>>12945097Releasing gases which escape your property violates the NAP
>>12945061>0.3G is unhealthy for human by the wayProve it
>>12944921>>12944994This is an edgy contrarian opinion that people only say to annoy people.
Sn15 is moving out of the yard
>>12945136>ur opinion isnt real cus i saed soKys retard. The history of human civilization is humans beating the fuck out of nature so we can thrive better.
>>12945160best argument against veganism. Cows will be farmed on Mars
>>12945179The best argument for large ag domes on Mars is that herd animals are nature's most energy efficient way of turning grass, water, and oxygen into food and clothing.
>>12945160logic > emotions
SN15 is OUT
>>12945193That's a lot of TPS.
>>12945179Chickens would make more sense IMO. Beef is too fatty to be an ideal fitness food.
>>12945193Is it true that SN15 is pointier than the previous ones? I can't really tell
>>12945193Is that another GSE tank on the right by the moonship nosecone?
>environmentalism bad because oil company said so
>tfw the next 12 starship tests explode>bezos buys out spacex
>>12945206The industrial revolution was possible because of fossil fuels. The industrial revolution has dramatically increased the amount of humans earth can support, dramatically increased access to luxuries, and made it possible for humans to travel to other worlds.
They should just put some solid legs on Starship and be done with itthis "catch the ship" autism is retarded cause they're gonna have to have legs for Moon, Mars, Titan etc... anyways
>>12945192Logic without emotions is just being a mindless calculator.
>>12945212Realistically speaking, what number of Starships will need to fail/blow up for this to happen?
>>12945225Yeah, you basically have to run paralel production methods.
>>12945179Invitro meat maybe, but as the other anon says, chickens would make more sense, you can feed them food scraps and they still grow.
>>12945198the amount will increase even more since they plan to send a fully shielded SN20 to orbit later this year
>>12945206>nuclear bad because environmentalists said so>coal is ok
>>12945231not possible, Falcon 9&dragon is too succesfull, and starlink will print money for spaceX.
thing moves so slow it looks as if it were still
>>12945225>this "catch the ship" autism is retardednot at all, it will significantly decrease the costs for fuel tankers and parts that always need to return to Earthalso that is meant primarily to catch the booster, while the legs will be on the starships.
>>12945231Musk would probably liquidate his Tesla stock before he lets Bezos buy SpaceX.
>>12945245>>>12945231>not possible, Falcon 9&dragon is too succesfull, and starlink will print money for spaceX.this
>>12945231Systematic failures including on ascent (if not there's no problem) until the f9 boosters run out.
>>12945246I want to see them try to move BN1 out of the HBthat will be amazing
>>12945254inb4 it tips over
>>12945231spacex is backed by tesla and starlinkthey should both fail completely for Elon to run out of money
>>12945221until we depend from oil and meme energy sources like solar and wind the next industrial revolutions to come are locked
>>12944361>building a massive steel tube from scratch >finagling with a massive amount of atmosphere >shit tons of labor costs and/or shitty AI glitches and bugs>not just building pressurized modules and landing them on Mars
>>12945263depends who can use the rocket engineI don't want anyone in humanity to conquer the solar systemI want my people to conquer the solar system
>>12945250How difficult to catch a Starship with a Starship?
>>12944599Another point to add: I went down a rabbit hole about 2 years ago while trying to learn more about muons. I had learned about muon catalyze fusion (essentially because muons are heavy electrons if you could theoretically create or store tons of muons you could inject them into a fusion reactor and you could run raid reactor at room temperatures). It would be the fucking holy grail of power production (and by extension, you would unlock fusion propulsion which would be based). The problem is; muons take a TON of energy to create as we know it—-and even negative pions (a similar particle which rapidly decay to muons) take a ton of energy to create. I watched a ton of Fermi videos during this time and learned about the g-2 experiment. Unfortunately g-2 is more about studying properties of the muon and less about “how do we create them” but there is a slight possibility they would learn more about them.Fun fact: I also went down the rabbit hole of the idea of storing Muons. My idea was that we could at least be able to create Muons here on earth and even if they cost a lot of energy, you could at least store them in a stable crystalline structure for later use on spacecraft fusion reactors. This lead me to the concept of “solvated electrons” which is fucking COOL and funny enough lead me to a fucking Thunderf00t video. He actually did research on this and developed a method of being able to measure the molarity of solvated electrons which is THE only cool thing he has ever done
>>12944684Well for one thing, it's actually flying at a fairly reasonable schedule, so no it's not Shuttle 2.0.
>>12942333At least they are honest, Elon just lies to generate hype. His concrete timeline is meaningless because he will miss all the dates on it. According to him we should've go Mars already, but he just keep pushing the dates back every time and people for some reason just forget all of his earlier promises and hyperfocus on the next big lie he feeds them.
>>12945281The next step after that is graviton reactors
>>12945002>megafauna will be brought back from plants photosynthesizing extra CO2 and increasing oxygen concentration
>>12945281>Solvated electronsBased beyond belief. You literally get to look at pure electrons. Could you theoretically do “solvated muons”? That would be awesomehttps://youtu.be/tYjQXjUUvwY
>>12945289Timelines are irrelevant, they are his own estimates for production pace more than anything but the conceptual work is solid, which is more than you can say about any other space company/estate except for maybe RocketLab.I mean, that 2024 launch for their F9 clone is aggressive as hell and will slip. So what? They'll get there.
>>12945296>tfw you will never explore the Carboniferous Biodome in Tharsis
>>12945281as a fusion energy fag, I find this post extremely arousing
>>12945122It's from NASA experience. Common knowledge if you did your search
>>12945289>His concrete timeline is meaningless because he will miss all the dates on itisn't this a circular argument?
>>12945328I'm almost certain NASA has never done any long term exposure to anything except micro gravity. If you have any examples of studies of 6 months or more at 0.5 Gs or something like that I'd love to see them.
>>12945328Their experience was 0G, not 0.3Gs. But we COULD'VE gotten that knowledge if the nautilus ring was actually built and launched to the ISS.
>>12945328>It's from NASA experience.So...when did NASA astronauts ever experience 0.3?
>>12942333Elon is selling dreams.Be real.#spaceishard
>>12945272You are stupid, you just added an extra step.Remove landing on Mars and keep the pressurized habitat until you get a space elevator on the moon.
>>12942333ESA is actually not related to the EU
>>12945239yeah, elon plans a lot of things
>>12944599>choose to believeYou can't choose your beliefs unless you're an NPC or religious (which is basically the same thing)
>>12945391*tips fedora *
>>12945391>Only NPC’s can make choicesYeah okay
>>12945372They get their funding from the EU though
>>12945339>>12945340>>12945348>NASA asked to make a Mars manned mission>don't do research to si if their astronaut will die on the way backThey already know 0.3G isn't enoughhttps://www.nasa.gov/hrp/bodyinspace
>>12945391based fellow atheist
>>12944818NASA has already dabbled with this concept on paper.There are also split-cycle ramjet-rockets that can be used in HTHL SSTO's where they use rocket power to takeoff horizontally then use ramjet power for hypersonic acceleration up to the karman line before returning to rocket mode for final insertion burn.The biggest roadblock here is money.
>>12945305I've always wanted to get into chemistry; I really enjoyed this video, thanks!
>>12945328not even 0g is bad for humans
>>12945416Nothing in that link confirmed what you just said.As someone who is specializing their career into how the human body and mind reacts to space travel, I can tell you with certainty that we do not know anything about 0.3G yet.
Can someone explain me why SpaceX decided to launch their exploding grain silo during a day with fog? Didn't they want to at least watch the explosion for fun?
>>12945438because they were embarrassed
>>12945438Fog absorbs the shockwave
What if SN15 blows up like the rest?
>>12945438>Didn't they want to at least watch the explosion for fun?Probably not worth it considering all the "SpaceX Mars rocket suffers CATASTROPHIC setback!" alarmist articles that would have followed had the explosion been clear to see
>>12945437That's not what actual scientists think and say.
>>12945448It would be very embarrassing
>27Al + 27Al = 54Fe + 21.9 MeV
>>1294544816. SS is already an old hag so who cares. Might as well go for the 40's.
>>12945438>Can someone explain me why SpaceX decided to launch their exploding grain silo during a day with fog?
>>12945453You don't know that
>>12945459Except ridiculous temperatures and confinement pressures necessary
>>12945359>>12945289>>12945369BEEP BOOP, JEW DETECTED
>>12945438Because they wanted to BTFO you
>NSF milking it as usual
>>12945448then there's SN16
>>12945469UnfortunatelyBut it would be awesome to have virtually unlimited power from just a piece of common aluminum
>>12945002>>12945000>>12944994fuck urbanites. you people should unironically be rounded up and put to the fucking wall. can't wait for you niggers to try and escape the cities when shit hits the fan only to be shot when you try to loot somebody's property in the countryside
>>12945434It is but we always bring back astronaut before there's permanent damage.>>12945437The link confirm NASA know human suffer multiple sort of health problem if not at 1G and that 0.3G won't be enough either so they work on it.But if you want better link, here is a new study.https://www.ibtimes.com/new-nasa-study-reveals-fatal-effect-mars-mission-astronauts-2866713https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2755307Anyways we both know Elon's fanboy will reject it unless it say "we've sent astronaut on Mars to test this"
>>12945448cant believe they've already blown up 14 of these shitters. obviously spacex is on borrowed time. losing starlink orbit license will seal their doom, bankruptcy isnt far
SN15 is on the main road now
>>12945496they get uglier by the day
>>12945452Compared to "SpaceX Mars rocket suffers CATASTROPHIC setback and can't see what was wrong because of fog!"?That or being called mad, more than before I mean >>12945466
>>12945486Why would shit hit the fan in the cities redneck?
>>12945408Only a fraction of it, the majority comes directly from member states. And the money they get from the EU is specifically for Galileo and Copernicus, which ESA is tasked with implementing.
>>12945505There was very little mainstream coverage of SN11's explosion compared to the rest even though it was more dramatic. No video or pictures means there's very little for journalists to clickbait with
sounds like there are gonna be 10 starship variants, good to see elon keeping costs down
>>12945544tankercrewed transportcargolunarspace station/labmars transitmars hab...?
>>12945494Do you have a hard time reading the studies that you cite? From the abstract of your link:>Weightlessness is associated with blood flow stasis in the internal jugular vein, which may in turn lead to thrombosis in otherwise healthy astronauts, a newly discovered risk of spaceflight with potentially serious implications.AKA they still have no idea what happens at any G-level above 0 but below 1.
>>12945545legs vs no legs variants
>>12945545Military, stealth, point to point, deep space, deep space probe.
>>12945511Oh there are a number of different things that could happen you kike marxist rat
>>12945545stripped down, no heat shield, no flaps, no payload SSTO :)
>>12945416That’s entirely about 0 g, not 0.3 g.
>>12943788That's irrelevant to the calculations they did. There's simply not enough easily mobilizable atmosphere>>12943568>>12943894that's fine and all, but can you show that shipping resources to mars is actually practical in a reasonable time period?>>12941306see >>12943939, it will be very difficult to get to the armstrong limit.>>12943223that's cool and all, but can you show that the criticism is invalid?
>>12942935>He claimed that safety concerns required the closure, due to the post-September 11 risk of terrorist-controlled aircraft attacking the downtown waterfront near Meigs Field.lmao what complete transparent bullshit
new based article from roberto zubrinohttps://spacenews.com/op-ed-build-a-robot-base-on-mars>To get started with human exploration, we need a 10-ton class lander. There are a number of ways to create such a system. For example, we could use aeroshells, parachutes and landing jets>or perhaps a miniature version of Starship.OH NO NO NO, HE'S STILL GOING FOR IT
>>12945590doesn't he realize elon is never going to do that? all that would do to spacex at this point is slow them down
>>12945590what exactly is he asking for? does he want JPL to design a 10 ton class rover? by the time they get around to it (10-15 years easily) we'll have already landed a few 150 ton class "landers"
>>12945590Zubrin will shill for modifying mission plans to more closely resemble Mars Direct until the day he dies
>>12943210Who knew the Reich had such modern looking pickup trucks.
>>12944383>Unless you can thicken the atmosphere the colonist would at least get a cancer.So what? People get cancer on earth too. It's pretty typical.
is there any AE anon here? I have a question about the industry especially in the field of human spaceflight
>>12945602>creates the most efficient mission plan for a Mars mission for the time>lives long enough to see technology progress to the point where it's mostly redundantYou gotta feel a little sorry for the guy that his lifes work will never be tried despite how influential it was
>>12945603german engineering was almost a century ahead of its time
>>12945596no kidding, he's been wasting his breath on mini starship since ITS was first revealed. can he not think of anything useful to add to the conversation?
>>12945624>jets>rocketry>nuclear energy>advanced aeronauticshow did they have such an edge? it feels like the foundation of all kinds of different technologies can be traced back to 30s-40s germany
>>12945596Elon flat out said to his face NO and he still goes out desperately trying to convince people lol
>>12945635dont forget>the bell
>>12945635They were massively inferior in terms of numbers and industrial capacity, so their leadership tried to use wunderwaffen to fill the gap.It didn't work, but it created a bunch of cool technologies that the allies were able to use after the war.Meanwhile America didn't really need to offset a numerical disadvantage, so everything America worked on was shit like radar or the atom bomb, that was actually practically useful.
which sn will have this
>>12945681>its blackwtf why has elon betrayed us bros...
>>12945681wow, very ugly
>>12944383it also partially protects people on the ground
>>12945553>>12945576>I didn't read the article nameWaiting for you to deflect that it mean nothing
>>12945486Don’t worry we can just make artificial forests for recreation lol
look at her go
>>12945494> The link confirm NASA know human suffer multiple sort of health problem if not at 1G and that 0.3G won't be enough either so they work on it.Nowhere is that claimed in the link. You are lying.
FAA under a progressive administration will never let it fly. What can be done about this?
>>12945698>I base my opinions on the titles of news articles
>>12945496whats the black stuff
>>12945712Did you somehow miss SN11 flight?
>>12945590>chromethis retard is ngmi
>>12945724They only permitted that because they knew it wouldn't reach orbit (obviously) and so they still have plenty of time to rile the masses up even more, to firm up support for obstructing SpaceX.
>>12941137Run a long hose from Venus to Mars. Problem solved for both planets!
>>12945741>Run a long hose from Venus to Mars.That would never work, Earth is in the way.
>>12945707>>12945714>deflect on superficialityLike musicIt's not like I'm posting things that are hard to find. Like 10s to find this onehttps://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/1_NAC_HEO_SMD_Committee_Mars_Radiation_Intro_2015April7_Final_TAGGED.pdf
>>12945635Germany was a/the leading scientific power prior to the Nazis taking over, to the point where it was expected that foreigners would cross oceans (if necessary) to do their PhDs in Germany.In the specific case of rockets, that was one category where the Treaty of Versailles placed no limitations, giving the Reichswehr reason to examine it. The Treaty of Versailles also crippled the aviation and artillery lobbies, preventing their capture of rocket scientists (like what happened in the US and USSR during the same time period, respectively).
>>12945681>tfw you will never ride this BBCWhy live bros
>>12945502>they get uglier by the dayThey are shiny metal anon, that's your reflection.
>>12945762They did manage to make them stick after flight, already better than columbia.
>>12945762literally becoming Shuttle you lololooolll
>>12945770Did anyone say what material thy use for tiles?
>>12945768Oh god anon at least pretend you know what you are talking about
>>12945770So many tiles hahah. And they’re pretty big, too. The day we see something like >>12945762 in the high bay will be so exciting
>>12945774I think something similar to TUFROC? With SpaceX's own twist, of course. https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/arc-15201-1-2_tufroc.pdf
>>12945770All it takes is one of those brittle boys falling off for nothing to happen to starship
>>12945779>stupid anime face
>>12945789that's the buran.
>>12945731hey dudeI seriously hope you know it's a shop or you're ngmi
>>12945791>Comparing supersonic re-entry to a short fall that doesn't even break the sound barrierActual brainlet
>>12945774Yeah I think it’s their own version of TUFROC called PICA-X. It has already been tested on stuff like the boeing X-37 (I think?) but I know spacex made it even better. Hell the DoD just gave Musk a couple million dollars for their heat shields to try and test it on hypersonic drones or something
>>12945803>Supersonic re-entry >When it flew on top of plane to another facilityRetard anime face.
>>12945731it's a fake picture bro
>>12945799 l like how its all rusty and dirty and they havent even used it. Typical for commie countries
>>12945791go away tard
>>12945799>tfw no pointless but kino Shuttle-Buran docking mission
>>12945803>putting heatshield on something that doesn't even break the sound barrierSpaceX ngmi
>>12945779any pics of her naked?
>>12945745>changes subject to radiation instead of gravity because he lost that argumentBad troll.
>>12945810>N-n-no I was talking about the one time it flew on a plane, not it's 100+ orbital re-entrieslmao faggot
>>12945821stupid retard it's to test the resistance to vibrations
>>12945762is this real photo
[muffled ass-eating noises]
>>12945828>canardsFrench and cringe.
>>12945828Do you think anyone at NASA sincerely thought a Shuttle II would be made or was the design nothing but make-work for engineers?
>>12945824>I only read the title articleHere, spoonfeeding you what's inAltered Gravity Field1.Spaceflight-Induced Intracranial Hypertension/Vision Alterations2.Renal Stone Formation 3.Impaired Control of Spacecraft/Associated Systems and Decreased Mobility Due to Vestibular/Sensorimotor Alterations Associated with Space Flight4.Bone Fracture due to spaceflight Induced changes to bone5.Impaired Performance Due to Reduced Muscle Mass, Strength & Endurance6.Reduced Physical Performance Capabilities Due to Reduced Aerobic Capacity 7.Adverse Health Effects Due to Host-Microorganism Interactions8.Urinary Retention9.Orthostatic Intolerance During Re-Exposure to Gravity10.Cardiac Rhythm Problems11.Space Adaptation Back Pain
>>12945874That’s all about 0g, not 0.3gPlease stop looking retarded
>>12945856Canards can be cool.
>>12945883>altered gravity field>not about 0.3g
>>12945867Probably the latter, anyway at least they thought about some original improvements like a detachable cockpit scape pod
>>12945884RIP Sweet Prince
>>12945893>detachable cockpitmeh, the original shuttle had that too
THE CRANE DROPPED IT>THE CRANE DROPPED ITTHE CRANE DROPPED IT
>>12945486Redneck hillbillies aren't even real people. You are slaves that only exist to serve us. And you always will be.
>>12945884hey bro. Mind if I get a bit closer?
>>12945908NOOOOOO OMG WTF I THOUGHT YOU WERE LYING
>>12945908It's over for Musk.
cool>>12945908hey anon. I was getting worried you wouldn't show up this time.
i thought sn15 was supposed to look radically different?
If the answer is "no"m doesn't that imply that Starliner is already on its way out? Can't launch on Atlas V forever.
>>12945932oh no no no peter beck giving up on helicopers?? oof bad look peter
>>12945936>believing mouthbreathing spacex stans
>>12945947that's in the future. They're taking it one step at a time right now. Probably testing out new heatshield etc. If the test goes well maybe air-catch soon after. They want to have a good handle on decent characteristics so they don't put their pilot in danger.>>12945936Not radically different, no. There are some differences like pic related. Most changes are under the hood, like with the new thrust puck.
>>12945908you must die
>>12945944nothing about answering no would imply that at all. wtf does starliner have to do with anything
>>12945762>>12945681SN17 for the first photo and SN20 for the second
>>12945892Correct, it's not.
>>12945892It’s about 0g, since that’s all NASA has experience with. You are retarded and a troll, and I will ignore you now.
>>12945958THIS LOOKS IMPROVED. I CAN TELL FROM SOME OF THE WELDS AND FROM SEEING QUITE A FEW TANKS IN MY TIME
>>12945950elon said it
>>12945958Will it prevent raptors from destroying themselves?
>>12945970>elon said itthe ultimate delusional spacex stan
>>12945970as he said...> mouthbreathing spacex stans
Hey, OP from the "Oppy and Ingie" thread that was made on page 10 of last threadWhy the fuck is this thread still up, when there should be, at most one (1) general thread up at any given timeForgive me for the heinous crime of assuming the m*ds could possibly do their "job" right
>>12945981Who asked lmao
>>12945936most of the changes aren't visual
>>12945956>Starliner's exclusive ride is the Atlas V. >The Atlas V is being phased out and replaced with Vulcan. >Starliner will need to ride on Vulcan when that happens. >But before that Vulcan will have to be man-rated.>If Vulcan is never man-rated Starliner will never fly again once the AV disappears.
>>12945958the part that caused the SN11 explosion didn't change though...
>>12945988how the fuck would you know, genius. you got x-ray vision?
>>12945986>>12945987as revenge, I shall split the threads at page 2 and keep the bastard side alive until the real thread hits page 10
>>12945981tsk tsk newfag
>>12945990that was a leaky raptor that fried electronics. Nothing to do with the thrust puck
>>12945989starliner is compatible with all current and future launch vehicles. cope and seethe
>>12946000wasn't it the part of pipe represented in green on the pic, exiting the raptor?
>>12945936No, it wasn't. Just because it has many improvements doesn't mean that it'll look drastically different.
both of the dumb offshoot threads got deleted.
>>12946001I can't wait to see Starliner ride a soyuz
>>12946009You wouldn't report a poor old man like me, would you
>>12946001>starliner will never fly with humans in itFTFY
>>12945989Berger is fucking clueless, as demostrated by his year of lies and reporting failures
>>12946016it will fly on a falcon 9 retard
>>12946001and it still can't get to the ISS lol
>>12946005>wasn't it the part of pipe represented in green on the picYes, but that is showing where the pipes eventually end up. The part that sprung a leak is considered part of the raptor, built in the raptor factory and bolted on before shipping out.>exiting the raptor?Exiting? Do you even know what you're looking at? The only "exit" on a raptor is the bottom where the flames come out.
>>12946027>>12946028>>12946023never realized how many musk sycophants (unerage children) are here on /sfg/
>>12946032how does he see out of that
>>12946040>never realized how many musk sycophants (unerage children) are here on /sfg/Says the trollreported.
if dubs SN11 won't crash
>>12946040nigga. dragon will have flown to the ISS thrice before starliner gets to it, AS A TEST
>>12946049we still don't have a solid date on when that test will be. It keeps slipping. NET late July right now. It was supposed to fly last November
anyone have the webm of the animation of starship separating from superheavy and lighting its engines, from superheavy's pov? I remember it was kino, sadly didn't save it.
>>12946031exiting the raptor pipe connection obviously you dunce
>>12946056they're taking their time so they get it right the first time, unlike spacex rough and dirty method that could get astronauts killed. just last week spacex had a major malfunction and absolved themself of all guilt. irresponsible
>>12946007goodjannies finally doing the job they're not paid for
>2023>Starship has been flying for about a year>BO has been flying New Glenn about as long>Musk has idea>use Starship to recover the NG second stage>donate it back to BO>they never recovered
>>12946071>they're taking their time so they get it right the first timedragon wishes it could throw sweet RCS rave parties. Musk BTFO
>>12946084Imagine the thrust
>>12946077>donateMore like sell.Actually that's brilliant. Once Starship delivers its payload into LEO, it can bring back second stages of other rockets and charge for them.
>>12945994he's said that most of the changes are software and engine related
mystery nosecone gets a nose
>>12946049How can people type this shit >>12946040with a straight face if they know this information>>12946047it already did
SN15 nosecone supposedly also sharper.
>>12946047technically it didn't "crash"
>>12946102to look like the dictator movie's rocket right?kek
>>12946079what would that feel like inside?
Say something nice about Roskosmos
>>12946084will this work?
>>12946040>realizing that everything boeing touches turns to shit means you're a musk sycophantnah
guys, guys, listen.what if, instead of propulsive landing or catching it with a tower we instead slow it with a giant wind tunnel
>>12945932About time>Rocket Lab, the leading launch and space systems companykek
>>12946126>frantically get elon on the phone
>>12946116it's cool how they mastered RP-1 and pioneered the oxygen-rich cycle instead of jumping to hydromeme. Their engines are great.Not sure if there's much nice to say about modern roskos, though
>>12946108what's the deal with this nosecone?
>>12946116Kliper was pretty neat, before it got cancelled.
>>12946123the boeing shills sure are triggered as hell by the last successes of spacex
>>12946126What if you put a bunch of raptor engines ON THE GROUND. And pointed them at Starship when it got close?
>>12946126what about giant electromagnets like in mass effect?
>>12946126>>12946149>>12946151Just drop it on a rubber mat.
https://youtu.be/lSx4DGBstYA>5 years ago
>>12946149call it the Bunsen Burner
>>12946157absolute state of r*ssian space programi bet this totally not a falcon 9 will fly only one time and then rot in some abandoned warehouse too lol
When was ingie meant to take flight?
>>12946157What are these lens artifacts called and why do they appear?
>>12946147I prefer the term ULA chad. And it is you who does the seething, as evident in your post
>>12946154>5 years>oldspace doesn't even have plans for reusabilitynot only are they more than a decade behind, they don't even plan to play it seems.
>>1294617911th, but we won't see anything till the 12th
>>12946179what's they point even of the heli? what new science or technology paths does it open up? What questions does it answer?
>>12946189`fuck, now i'm impatient
>>12946154I feel bad for taking this for granted now, since when you take a step back, it's ridiculous that they pulled this off.
>>12946198Mainly proof of concept, secondary objective is to scout ahead and find any points of interest
>>12946198It's the first of it's kind, it opens up any kind of drone-based aerial observation on mars.
>>12946212I hate how people are already forgetting how they had try this half a dozen times before they got it right.finally seeing it land on that ship felt like cooming after nofab November.
>>12946224>it opens up any kind of drone-based aerial observation on mars.Does it really though? It's so close to the edge of the envelope already, I don't see how things like this could ever become practical without dramatically improved battery technology.
>>12946182It's some sort of lens flare I think. I don't remember what is its actual specific name and can't find it with queries such as "rbg lines flare". Soviet cameras at the time were a bit different from western ones, may have to do with that. I really like that effect, I've seen it elsewhere too, but I can't find how it's called specifically. PS had a filter for that kind of flare exactly but I'm too lazy to check
>>12946198apparently it's mostly for PR. NASA wanted JPL to do it so they did
>>12946212I have no idea how they manage to compensate for all the miscellaneous uncontrolled variables involved. Though I do think that they fly a weather balloon before landing to get a decent idea of the winds, but it's not going to be exact. Have to have a very adaptable system in place
>>12946259>>12946182I've posted a thread in /p/, hopefully they know. >>>/p/3859100
>>12946198Getting a larger drone on Mars would make mapping and exploration much more efficient. You wouldn't need a rover that can only move 2 inches an hour to slug its way across the surface, you could just fly around and not have to worry about collision detection until you have to land, or just do trips from the landing spot with the landing hardware acting as a pad and recharger. It's just much better all-around for pure exploration, even if it can't analyze rocks as well as something on the ground which can drill into them.
>>12946182>>12946259Chromatic aberration is probably the name of the effect. the shittier lens and/or extremely bright lights just end up separating into RGB due to refraction or bending or something
>>12946301I was just considering doing that, albeit asking on the /sqt/. Thanks Anon, hope somebody will answer.>>12946309A-ha, aberration is definitely involved
>>12946309I don't understand why it would seperate into RGB though. Those weren't RGB LED lights, not in the late 80s. Shouldn't the spectral emission of those lights be a smoother curve? I'm not sure if they're incandescents or halogens, but I think either should separate into a proper rainbow, right? They're definitely not sodium vapor lamps.
>>12946309>Chromatic aberration is probably the name of the effectcorrect, to avoid that an apochromatic lens should be used
>>12946321Well if it’s a digital camera it could easily separate. White light is made up of pretty much the whole visible spectrum, and digital cameras typically run with individual R G and B sensors. So LED or not, light can still undergo aberration through a digital camera. Idk if it can happen with physical film cameras but I’m sure it can somehow
Why does Elon not just simply use fast travel to get his boosters back?
>>12946337Near as I can tell that photograph is from the late 80s, so I don't think it's digital. Digital cameras did exist back then, so I think it's not impossible, just unlikely. But I'm no photography expert.
>>12946343Why doesn't he just load from a checkpoint when something goes wrong?
>>12946321the detector in the camera is RGB based isn't it?
>>12946350I think a digital camera would be. I'm not sure about film though. Film is a chemical process, and I think maybe different kinds of film use different techniques to display color.. but I'm not sure. Maybe film uses CMYK instead of RGB? I don't know.
>>12946321maybe that the photograph you posted is actually three B&W photographs taken with three different filters and then composited in a lab.
>>12946182All down to specifics of lens design: number of elements of actual glass, geometry of elements, overall geometry, chemical composition of glass, other things I can't remember. Can't tell you the specifics of this flare but I do know certain Soviet lenses are sought after by hipsters specifically for these kinds of effects
Anon on /p/ is on the right track. It's some sort of multiple axis diffraction grating
>>12946572Anthropomorphization is pretty cringe ngl
>>12946539Wtf is this. Either this tank is just some weird stress test vehicle, or it's some batshit R&D thing
>>12946585That guy has some funny comics.
>>12946585Hey, at least they were in their original forms and it wasn't some cringe ass moe anime shit.
>>12946602that's damning with faint praise
>>12946572Posting this shit is worthy of a public b&
>>12946077>exposed checkmarked retard on twitterqrd?
>>12946630ok this is just cruel
>>12946621I think (you) should get a public ban. It'd be funny.
>>12946539I guess that's too big to be one of their methalox hot gas thrusters
Staging, new thread>>12944558>>12944558>>12944558>>>12944558>>12944558
>>12946659you actually got mewell played
>>12946001But if Vulcan isn't human-rated, then what? Throw Starliner on a Falcon 9?
>>12945996Why doesn't he mention piping changes? That seems like a big issue
>>12946684dumping on the FAA
>>12946714on merlin reuse
>>12946720sounds like they were very negative regarding SN8's chances. Of course it did much better irl. Sounds like they were half expecting hot gas thrusters to be necessary; guess for ullage concerns.
>>12946726why SpaceX tests hardware rich. Skeptical of SLS's fire issues
>>12946732from last year before SN8's hop
>>12938066>UN law lol
>>12946740a more recent post on raptors. And ok that's it for now
>>12946680not saying you should dox the guy, but> works at spacex ∩ Bloodhound LSR memberis probably enough to dox this guy and verify his info. Of course it could still be an elaborate larp in which one person impersonates another, or it could actually be a spacex employee impersonating one of their coworkers for cover.
>>12943954The UN has no military. It has troops of nations who run the UN
>>12946751he doesn't seem to work at spacex right now. But yeah I think I'll remove that post. These posts are informative and I'd like for them to continue
>>12943569are you an incel
>>12946749one more raptor post
>>12946539Thats gotta be the docking port of the lunar variant
>>12945770did spacex hire yoji shinkawa?
>>12946783>a sky scraper with a foundation made of DUSTElongo really expects us to take this seriously?
>>12946608Did anyone think he wasn't kidding? Catching SH is much less risky than a hoverslam
>>12946796How are they going to grip it without squishing it?
>>12944975>>12944978this is so undignified, they cannot do this.
SN15 on the pad
>>12946787The dust is actually very thin. It’s solid rock
>>12946539mk1 command pod
>>12946810fog out of nowhere
https://twitter.com/relativityspace/status/1380267027206602752another relativity timelapse
POSSIBLE HAPPENING!>Early warning network for threats in space has just alerted that in 16 hours there will be a potentially catastrophic convergence of the defunct 1978 OPS 6182 weather satellite and the remains of a 1981 SL-8 R/B carrier rocket. The trajectory of the objects will intersect at a distance of less than 10 metres and the risk of collision is 20%. This would be the most serious collision in space and its effects could potentially endanger other satellites.
>>12946787yeah man you need a deep foundation to withstand those moon winds
>>12946836MARS CANCELLED SPACE CANCELLED OH FUCK
>>12946836Whats the estimated intercept velocity?
>>12946783>>12946543Doesn't look like the IDS to me. Probably a crane mount
>>12946831looks very smooth
>>12946844I'm still a doubter, but normally his meme ideas don't get to this stage so we'll see
>>12946851build quality is getting better. Nosecone-body join needs to be smoothed out. Should look good after that. Apparently they're laser-welding some parts now
>>12946113About the same as the 737MAX.
>>12946777thank u for all these, pretty interesting
>>12946684>>12946714>>12946732>>12946726>>12946740>>12946749>>12946777who? What? Huh? They’ve been swapping out Merlins every time?
>>12946807They don't grip it it catches it with its grid fins. Which is safer because you just need to get it to a certain spot within a certain speed.
>>12946844I never really saw the point of reusable launch infrastructure anyways.>>12946873I have some serious doubt about the veracity of those posts.
>>12946811>>12946840one errant pebble under one of the legs and the whole thing will tip over as soon as somebody inside it takes a little tumble.
>>12945305>>12945281No, the halflife of muons is about 0.0000015 seconds iirc; wouldn't really be enough time to do anything useful with them once stored. You've kind of got to make "on-site" pretty much, unless you somehow keep them at super-relativistic speeds to increase their half-life, though that's some sci-fi shit right there, and would probably take more energy than making the muons in the first place.
>>12946720Banned for manned boosters? Or nasa missions in general?
>>12946860Why would you doubt it, it literally a risk mitigation compared to landing it
>>12946836lmao what a nothingburger. they dont even have that kind of accuracy to predict this anyway. >potentially catastrophicyeah, like what I'm about to do to your mother. gimme a break
>>12946866The max is actually pretty nice though..
>>12946878what is there to doubt? nothing I read was flatout wrong
>>12946807It's going to have an upside down version of the reinforced octograbber hard points on F9 mounted just below the grid fins but you didn't hear it from me
>>12946873>They’ve been swapping out Merlins every time?nowhere in that post does it say that
>>12946904Max flights a Merlin has seen is 6
>>12946911if they were swapping them out every time max flights would be 1 you retard
>>12946911>only sixpathetic, ngmi
>>12946091>>12946122Outer raptors will be mounted directly to the tank wall instead of the dome so probably yeah
>>12946816a bad omen
>>12946936Everyone knows SN15 is going to pop like SN1 during the thrust ram tests
>>12946836tomboy space gf when?>>12946084Is it ethical for SpaceX to mog ULA this hard?
>>12946777huh, interesting stuff if he's legit,
>>12946879Most of the mass is at the bottom of the rocket. It isn't exactly like a weeble wobble but it will be a lot harder to tip over than you think.
>>12946919RP-1 is a shit fuel for reusability. It's why I was disappointed to see Neutron go that route>>12946956we'll find out if he's right or not based off whether or not these 30 and 80km flights happen
>>12946882Yeah but my idea was that by finding a clever way to store them, you essentially put them in a “potential well” that keeps them more stable than just leaving them to their own devices or having to move them at relativistic speeds (that would still only allow time to exist for mere microseconds). The same way a neutron has a half life of ~10 mins, but becomes way more stable once in an atomic arrangement. I was just fiddling with the idea that there *could* be some sort of way to solvate a muon or capture it in a very specific crystalline lattice or something that would do the job.That, or find a way to create a ton of negative pions on-demand. (This would probably be “easier” but is likely just as impossible unless you have a particle accelerator and tons of free energy handy) I just want muon catalyzed fusion dammit, why did God set fusion as a hardcore unlock for us
>>12946956Excellent, im honestly pumped, i want to see SN15 land and then watch the development speed skyrocket
>>12946956Is this from L2?
>>12946970>a half life of ~10 mins, but becomes way more stable once in an atomic arrangementholy shit I never knew that, but I suppose it makes perfect sense in hindsight, that's interesting as fuck.The behaviour might well be different since muons are fundamental particles though, but all that shit's so far over my head I can't really do anything other than speculate.
>>12946886just NASA mission i think. I doubt NASA has the power to tell them they can't do it on private flights. That would be the FAA.Still, it looks like the engines are less reusable than the bodies.
>>12947038NASA is not a regulatory body and doesn't regulate anything about spaceflight except in the exclusive instance where they are the customer. I'm sure you know this, but I wish more people would understand this.
>>12946965i'm inclined to believe he has some real connections, since he informed the redditors of the mar 26 same-day morning static fire and afternoon flight plan for sn11. Although the flight was scrubbed later due to an FTS issues after a good static fire, the info was still accurate. >>12946995redditor
>>12947003Yeah it’s fascinating and lead me down a deep rabbit hole of asking my mineralogy and physics professors a bunch of questions. The neutron is a bit different though because once bound in a nucleus it is subject to nuclear forces and binding energies, so that “potential well” becomes VERY deep and stabilizes it pretty well. A muon will always be bound in an atom in the electron shell and will still decay. But, but... there is [probably] some crystalline structure out there that could contain it. Maybe. Because there are energies associated within crystalline lattices. Some of which could be very strong. It’s a problem I wanted to solve in my free time by playing around with numbers and doing some research on more exotic synthetic crystals and material science but I lost the drive to continue. I don’t even know if it’s possible. But being able to store a muon used to be an autistic fascination for me
>>12946826what's the advantage of this over regular welding a la spacex?I doubt its as sturdy as plate metal welded together
>>12947062Does he have an SN11 explanation for why it did a Challenger cosplay?
>>12946954when this retard soerged out during first episode when they were recovering orbital plate, she could potentially kill chachimaki (she pressed brake on their vehicle and hachimaki was ejected from his seat). she should been fired and sent back to earth right and there.
>>12946896Nothing I read was inherently right either. It reeks of my uncle works at Nintendo to me.
>>12947093>That cockpitS O V L
>>12947093So cute. I’ve had this idea before. Putting a classic cockpit in place of a big meme window
>>12947102no because she's cute
>>12947087elon gave the cause on twitter
>>12947102Yeah, but part of the premise is they were shit out of people wanting to do the actual job.
So Mr. A. Nonymous, you want to join the Martian colony? What useful skills and knowledge can you bring to the table that will help the colony achieve autarky?
>>12947087joe biden blew it up using an orbital laser. heat tiles should mitigate this threat.
>>12947117>>12947113>cockpitB R I D G E
>>12947137Well, I just happen to be an ass man.Also I can weld and make some pretty solid rectifiers if the need should arise, and it will.
>>12947137I can shovel dirt. I can also not shovel dirt.
>>12947093This thing doesn't make sense.
Absolute fucking madman, and he will pull it off.
>>12947164You're right, we should replace the aft row of windows with a payload bay (preferably with a canadarm inside)
>>12947137i can find efficient and mostly safe ways to extract ore out of ore deposits
>>12947177how will it be named /sci/?
>>12947179just put all the passangers on ejection seats and yeet them out of the back uppon arrival
There should be a new thread
>>12947137I can provide boipussy.
>>12947198faggots who won't reproduce won't be needed on mars
>>12947177>lightning rod is 10' for the epic 69 meme
>>12947164It's like the seating arrangement on any carrier-based aircraft that carries passengers. The flight crew have seats that maximize their situational awareness by facing forward out the cockpit while everyone else has seats that face backwards to minimize the effects of the violet carrier landing.That sort of setup would honestly be perfect for Starship given its aggressive landing procedures as the flight crew have a commanding view of reentry and the belly flop while everyone else is braced well for the forces of reentry and landing.
>>12947177he's just flexing on all of us at this point. Next thing you know, he's going to be re-assembling starship on the launchpad by landing one atop the other.
>>12947206you could recycle them into food, water or mystery goo
>>12947179the whole point of crew starship is that it is a starship specifically optimized for large numbers of people, whereas cargo starship is optimized for maximum cargo volume
>>12947211>the sum of elon's input into designs is tweaking things to insert 69 and 420>for this, he calls himself the CTO
>>12947047They could still try to Brussels Effect it at this point, where being such a major customer de facto allows them to set the standard.
>>12947137Sloth. Bring me with you and I guarantee you I will greatly influence everybody else to slack off as much as they can. You certainly are familiar with that old saying? I'm too lazy to check whatever it said, but there was one.
>>12947246Dangerously based. Just reading this comment made me want to slack off.
>>12947227>In the future there might well be a post-apocalyptic religious cult on Mars that feeds infidels and apostates and other sacrificial victims to the ISRU machine like a cross between Doc Brown feeding trash into the Mr Fusion at the end of Back To The Future and Mola Ram feeding Pajeets to the lava pit as offerings to Kali in Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom
>>12946970How are all these different substances made of different arrangements of the same stuff lower down the stack? It kind of upsets me to think about. I can't imagine being a particle physicist. I'd be constantly enraged at nature
Antarctica will probably also be partly ice free or liveable in the next century so how are we going to do that? Are we as world going to except that there will be a new country? Mars will be the same. It should be a new nation with new laws and rules but in reality some country will claim it and steal the oil and move away.
>>12946826Very Black Mesa
>>12947272>Antarctica will probably also be partly ice free or liveable in the next century so how are we going to do that? no it won't
>>12947122what was it
>>12947213You got it wrongly. Pilots' floor and passengers' floor aren't on the same plane, therefore the forces will work along passenger's spines, not perpendicularly.
>>12947283every passenger will become a manlet
>>12947137I have experience with safety critical embedded systems and I'm white
>>12947206nigger an HIV negative cumdumpster would be worth his weight in benzos on Mars
>>12947177I wonder how often that tower will get nuked during testing.
>>12945372ESA is pretty much the bitch of ARIANE&the frogs.
>>12947137I have construction and engineering experience and im white
>>12947137I have a background in agriculture and I'm white.
https://youtu.be/5Jlo081vSQQSpaceX fleet battles with Blue Origin fleet for concessions in Mars, 2350, colorized.
>>12947137i can land on mun in ksp
>>12946826this is probably what hull manufacture looks like in space. it can probably scaled to incredible sizes in orbit or on the moon or else where.
What will be the fuel standard for vehicles that only operate in orbit. Ion seems to under powered. Nuclear seems kinda risky. Is it still TBD?
>>12947426>star warsyeah that's cringe. star wars is shit-tier sci-fi.
>>12947426everything about that was terrible from the shit wars to the e-begging
>>12946601This one is pretty good. Love how he changed his name at the bottom kek.
>>12945969Ancient meme and I appreciate it
holy shit https://youtu.be/rsCul1sp4hQ
New thread racist 4chan neo nazi hackers
>>12946970>dammit, why did God set fusion as a hardcore unlock for usso that we wouldn't be tempted to abuse the fuck out of it before we discovered our impact on the biosphere with lower yield weapons?
>>12946772>>12946815kekIT WAS ALL JUST A RUSE
>>12946965>RP-1 is a shit fuel for reusabilityit is however a good "throw shit out the door to beat your competitors to market" fuel, and leaves the door open for Neutron 2 to be methalox while improving reusability
>>12947476Nuclear or electric with water propellant. Chemical propellant is only marginal to haul up a gravity well.
>>12947508As someone who's watched every video "demonstrating" tech like this before, this is by far the best I've ever seen.
>>12947508I can faintly hear the future and it's screaming.
>>12947508Embrace neuralink, return to monke
>>12947541Isn't water precious as far as commodities go
>>12947564There are ice deposits everywhere at or beyond 1AU.
>>12947553Embrace Neuralink, return to Atari.Much the same really.t. Person who grew up on his cousin's pong console.
>>12947573I wanna play somebody at Combat using only our minds.
>>12947508NOooooooooooo I was told neuralink is a fraud. Musk can't keep getting away with this
>>12947549I'm not worried about read access. I'm worried about write/execute access.
you could probably be start building an OS purely for apes... something way simpler and more limited. Eventually you could link the apes to the regular internet
>>12947600How well did that work out when India got online
>>12947606look I am just the idea guy. But you could easily have the ape kingdom inflate viewership numbers on youtube for grape juice
>>12947600>Eventually you could link the apes to the regular internetYeah it's called the .gov TLD and affirmative action hiring.
>>12947610I'm more interested in animal uplift but the idea of half a million literal monkeys furiously smashing 'like' buttons on YT is an intriguing one.
>>12947614I feel like you could get Apes to play League of legends if you strip out the harder set up parts and limit the champ pool
>>12947573Call me when they can play Warlords with neuralink
>>12947598>currently all access to the N1 chip is through Bluetooth with a phone app>this is the intended method for human versions too per the update question and answer some time ago /worry/
>>12947466would 0g be good for 3D printing?also mike has a new view: https://twitter.com/Astro_illini/status/1380293920307998728
>>12947539yeah that's a good point. And given the hyper-competitiveness of the market they really do need to get their shit out ASAP.
>>12947303>mentally ill freak wants to put his penis in another man’s shitting hole
>>12947677Cool to see more tiles going on but they're clearly only putting them on en-masse around the stiff common dome area. If I had to guess, the small patches of tiles are actually the only ones that matter since they're close to the worst areas of flex/vibe.
Thread has staged.Ignition:>>12947734>>12947734>>12947734
>>12947564nigga it's basically free from your sink
>>12947702>they're clearly only putting them on en-masse around the stiff common dome areaHuh, never had thought of it. Good point.
>>12947508https://www.statnews.com/2021/04/07/consumer-neurotech-skeptic/Mainstream neuroscientists are going to get blindsided by this technology. They are cocky and confident that outsiders (computer scientists) can't make more progress in understanding the brain than they have, and consequently, that outsiders won't be able to successfully interface with the brain. But neuroscientists skeptical of this technology haven't been keeping up to date with the state of machine learning. If they don't get with the program soon, the computer science guys are going to each their lunch.
>>12947634>phone app>access to your fucking head
I just want physical hardware connections when my brain is involved for gods sake
>>12947137I can make various origami boxes and help you install your printers.
>>12947803the same happened with protein folding and alphafold absolutely bodyslammed the competition. there's no need for the competition amymore, they just put a lot of folks out of a job