In theory couldn't government sponsored farms breed millions and millions of insects to counteract the great die off?Not that I don't think we should ban the pesticides causing it but I'm just talking about a parallel solution
>>12578715Where does the profit come from? Nobody will do anything about current situation unless there are money made out of it.
>>12578735/threadWe are fucking dumb, we would nuke ourselves to the stone age if we could squeeze money out of it.
they did this with praying mantises.They use to be an endangered species and at one point they almost became extinct, then they started breeding them and selling them in bulk to farmers to release around their farms. They pollinate plants and exterminate bad bugs. Now they're no longer endangered.
>>12578715>great die off?Explain
>>12578812It's the reason you don't have shit loads of bugs hitting cars anymore
>>12578715the problem is disruption of natural environment, people would fuck it up even more if they tried to fix their shit without addressing the source issue
>>12578735Where's the profit in subsidizing high fructose corn syrup
>>12578715We enter an evolutionary arms race with pesticides, where using them results in resistance in the insect, then we have to dump more pesticides to get the same effect. Eventually we start dumping amounts that cause massive damage to the natural world, enough to run off into the water supply.The only way is to find an alternative. We're essentially fighting evolution and the only winners are ironically the pests which the chemicals were developed to kill, while squelching and poisoning their natural predators, pollinators and other beneficial insects. Banning pesticides outright is the first step towards finding a permanent solution, farmers will not move away from pesticides on their own, they just won't. We release papers pointing out how usage will only ramp up immunity, they don't care.
>>12578811That's crazy. Which species? I'd love to read more about it
>>12578823When do we start farming
>>12578715Because chemtrails and microwaves would just kill them again. This is like saying, why can't we just breed insects and dump them all into a volcano??? Why would this not replenish their numbers??>>12578753Makes me think of The Protocols and how they go on about the brute mind of the goyim. Although it appears to me that all the races are in general too braindead to understand the layers of economy. Moey, artificial social economy, cannot afford anything if the natural economy beneath it collapses. It's just a tool to control the behavior of others.
>>12579649What the fuck does any of this even mean? Take your meds faggot
>>12579657What is unclear and difficult to understand here? Why can't you ask an actual question instead of delivering a rejection and insult as a pseudo-question, as though I give a fuck what you think?Are you retarded or something? Stop taking your meds faggot, it's clearly chemically lobotomizing you.
>>12579657And look, I clicked on this thread because I saw a cool beetle, and now I'm here deaing with some stupid dickhead. Get rekt, cuck.
Guys if we let them destroy the environment there is no guarantee we can rebuild it even with unlimited technology
>>12578715what die off you faggot, not everyone is up to speed with the latest liberal crackpot theories of global philanthropy
>>12578823where the fuck am i going to find bugs in a suburb, even the rivines are synthetic in some areasholy shit this must be b8
>>12579897no one cares, we'll just use livestock to repopulate grasslands big fucking dealno one cares about your favorite species of daffodils
>>12578715great die offs are fundamental for evolution. instead of trying to stagnate the planet, we need to let things take their course. once all is said and done, we'll have a rich and diverse planet full of creatures that readily inhabit our human-made enviroments.
>>12578823natural selection of bugs that don't ram themselves into car windshields.
>>12579973You're scared and weak anon, but that's OK.This is reality, this is what humanity has done to the planet, accept it or we'll all be destroyed sooner or later. The natural world does more for you than you'll ever know, insects pollinating who then get eaten, mass recycling of both organic and chemical waste humanity produces, soil rejuvenation, carbon capture, pharmacologicals, the list goes on and on. Not everything can be livestock, not everything can be neatly planted rows of corn, if it were humanity would not survive for very long.
>>12580053The "windshield effect" isn't what that graph is referring to, that's the natural abundance of insect species in nature preserves. Besides, modern car designs if anything are even more prone to hitting insects than 80s blocky designs, it'd take far, far longer to evolve to "not hit cars windows" as you suggest.
>>12580059humans are natural, extinction events are natural. humans causing an extinction event is a natural phenomenon, and we are in no way the first thing to cause one. it's bad, but it's the natural state of earth. when all is said and done, and the planet repopulates with new species, what is new will be more complex, and more capable, than what came before. and the new ecosystem of the planet, unlike the one we have now, will have tuned itself to exist in balance with it. whether we survive to be part of that or not doesn't matter.
>>12580066you underestimate the speed at which evolution occurs. humans are so keen on seeing the world as static, that they can never appreciate when something is changing around them.
>>12580053In another 20 yrs hollow point bugs will be going straight through the windshield.
>>12580068Why not just save yourself the pain of the future and end your life now? You either have a vested interest in humanity's survival or you are not human.Be gone with you, return to the dirt. Let humanity our problems out and stop trying to undermine us. You know damn well letting extinction events go forth isn't the best option because of some "far flung recovery" in a few million years. Again, kill yourself if you believe that's the only option.
>>12580070You're retarded anon, insects can't evolve the intelligence necessary to avoid cars in 40 years, it's physically impossible.
>>12580075humans are the extinction event, dumbshit; we were the event long before we had written history, let alone modern technology. the only available options are extinction event, or human extinction. the current ecosystem and human capability are fundamentally incapable of existing together, and trying to maintain it is like repairing a sand castle when the tide's coming in.
>>12580081>40 years of environmental destruction is representative of the past 40k when we existed with nature just fine
>>12580080insects don't use intelligence to avoid anything you literal retard, they're pure instinct. literally the only insects with even a faint concept of intellect are hive species like ants, and that's an entirely different beast.insects run almost purely on instinct, and they breed incredibly fast. the ones that instinctively avoid roads and cars will shit out billions of children, and the ones that don't die.
>>12580085>humans existed alongside nature just finethe modern extinction event started 12,000-15,000 years ago dumbass.
>>12580086Yes well can you point to some magical mechanism which they could evolve so soon? You're retarded anon, you're just using some vague word like "instinct" to downplay the significant of the declines. Insects cannot know what a car or a road is, and why they should avoid it like any other patch of land. You can't evolve to avoid tanks moving 70 miles an hour like this. Insects are on the decline, deal with it.
>>12580098insects don't need to know anything. if even 1% of insects just instinctively avoid cars and roads, they'll gradually come to dominate those landscapes. regardless, the decline in insect populations is probably due to pesticides or something, not cars.
>>12578715Such a based pic
>>12580109Oh wow, Mr. disingenuous wants to bring the discussion back from his original deflection.>if even 1% of insects just instinctively avoid cars and roads, they'll gradually come to dominate those landscapesThats not how it works anon. It's not like a pesticide, which plants produce some amount of naturally, ergo pesticide resistance is easy to evolve.If we're still hitting birds with cars daily, then we sure as fuck can still hit the same number of insects.
>>12580125birds are more complex than insects, you fucking retard. what are you doing on the /sci/ board if you're too retarded to understand the difference between a bird and a fucking gnat. most insects produce hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of offspring, from a single coupling. their entire reproductive method involves throwing RNG at the wall until something sticks, then what stuck divides into fucking thousands more sticky wall balls. birds cannot just randomly evolve the instinct to avoid cars and wind turbines because their thought processes are considerably more complex, and they have significantly less offspring; vertebrate animals generally have sacrificed instinct and raw numbers for quality > quantity reproduction. insects have not done this, not at all in any fucking way. there are 350,000 different species of beetles alone, because all they do is shit out more beetles. a million beetles die to stupid bullshit, a few hundred beetles don't die to stupid bullshit. a few generations later and you now have a few hundred thousand beetles that don't die to stupid bullshit. some will still die to the stupid bullshit because there are just so many fucking beetles that it doesn't even matter. because that's how bugs work. the decline in bug populations is, among other things, modern pesticides, chemicals in the environment, habitat loss, etc.
>>12578753Speak for yourself, cunt. But you're right.
>>12580125>If we're still hitting birds with cars daily, then we sure as fuck can still hit the same number of insects.You're incredibly naive. Birds are evolving to avoid car collisions as we speak.https://www.livescience.com/27971-birds-evolve-avoid-being-roadkill.htmlIf birds can evolve in such a short time, insects can too.
>>12578735capitalism is a dead end
>>12578715great die off of what?
>>12578811I don't think that's true. Praying mantises were never endangered
>>12581300it isn't true, never even heard such a thing before. praying mantid's were sold to farmers because they're an effective pest control that also happens to be self-regulating via cannibalism.