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Long nose tribe say we need to feed chocolate skin tribe instead of go to mountains. Why? Grug don't get.
>>12370012There is nothing on mountain only rock.
>>12370012Long nose tribe had holobunga last season. If you don't listen to long nose tribe you are doing holobunga againWe should only climb mountain to look back on cave and see if it changes. Cave warming is biggest threat to grug
reposting because interesting>Observers estimate the satellites weigh close to 5,200 kg and have very large (estimated 100 m diameter) radio reflecting dishes. NRO L-32, which is seen as the fifth satellite in the series, is according to NRO director Bruce Carlson "(...) the largest satellite in the world". It is believed that this refers to the diameter of the main antenna, which might be well in excess of 100 m (330 ft).
>>12370024Me build GUN, finally put end to cave warming tribe.
>>12370024Grug no understand why warm cave bad warm cave easy to sleep Grug hates go out where cold and find food for ungas and chocolate tribe.Grug tired want to leave even mountain better.
>>12370020ME NAME GRUG NOT CHUD, CHUD IS ALREADY PREPARING TO GO TO MOUNTAINS WE BE LIKE HIM
Post spaceflight pics that exemplify "because it's there"
>>12370073>says something stupid>gets called out for it>"wah you just hate me for my ethnicity"
>>12370024>Gods am angry, cave flood coming they say>No am move to big mountain, too dangerousGrog thinks witchman whisper in cave dweller's ears, make them want to die.
WE GOTTA GET OFF THIS PLANET
>>12370088We? Anon we're dying here and u know it
>>12370085>implying his ethnicity and his "why bother striving for greatness?" attitude aren't directly related
>>12370092our duty is to ensure that luddites and reactionaries can't hold us back
>>12370088God I want to leave the well
its really hard to grasp how big starship actually is
>>12370160Wait until you realize the internal volume roughly equals the ISS one.
Starship being aggressively ugly is probably the best thing SpaceX could do. It's very clearly a machine built to work, not to look cool, which will make it obvious to everyone that it's not a billionaire vanity project no matter how much Musk-haters peddle that narrative.
>>12370364Wait until you realize that a huge inflatable can be lifted by Starship
wait a minute....if nasa switches to climate science, doesnt that mean SpaceX will launch all those payloads? it's not all bad guys
>>12370422the welds are going to virtually disappear within a few months
>>12370459that's not going to stop it from being ugly
from SpaceX twitter
>>12370422>>12370459Starship stopped being ugly after they switched to two fins and bare steel.
>>12370457What does nasa even do anymore now?
>>12370477why would that not happen? >>12370484starship without bad welds looks kino as fuck
>>12370422>implying that there isn't a beauty to simple mechanical function
>>12370506to us, not to the general publicstarship is objectively ugly
>>12370520isn't that sn1 on the left?
>>12370520soulless vs soul
>>12370530Yes, it's just the first thing that showed up on google that showed the evolution over time. SNs have gotten better too but that's less obvious at a glance.
>>12370160Howcome Starship is just two stages while Saturn V was like six?
>>12370614Orbital refueling eliminates the need for pure orbital stages for Starship
>>12370614Saturn V didn't refuel, and had to transport people to the Moon and back all in one go. Most modern rockets simply deliver payloads to orbit, which is pretty easy with two stages. If the payload is supposed to travel elsewhere, like to Mars, this is usually done by the payload's own thrusters and fuel tanks, which are typically inside of a fairing and far too small to be really be called the "Third stage" of the rocket.
>>12370623The best part of orbital refueling is it removes most of the downsides of chemical rockets for Mars missions.
>>12370614Because Saturn V had to deliver the LEM and CSM to a low lunar orbit without any orbital refueling
>>12370022Shaman say shiny mountain rock valuable.Say melting rock into better rock to hunt mammoth with.Better rock than sharp rock possible? Grug think Shaman snort too much mushroom powder.
>>12370761China will put catamites and niggers in concentration camps and build colonies in space so its good.
Nuclear ramjet SSTOs when?
Did they ever say anything else about the recovered Electron?
>>12371109it doesn't matter
>>12371109burnt to a crisp, zucchinis on suicide watch
>>12370497>stopped being ugly after 1) 3 -> 2 fins 2) steel1) fuck no2) yes
>>12371109From Rocket Lab's twitter account
>>12371183See how they don't show the engines? They're burnt to crisp.
>>12371193You need some mental help bro.
>>12371193>>>/pol/ might be a better place for your shitty bait
>>12371193Doesn't matter because SpaceX will carry on and inspire more people to be interested in space again
>>12371193They are going to use NASA to shame you in to paying more taxes to stop climate change.
>>12371193Low IQ post, but to add to it, Biden was being advised by a dude who shilled for Boeing so hard, he got into legal trouble for it
>>12371225Doug claims he was trying to ask Boeing if they would sue if they weren't selected
>>12371231Didnt he leak the price&specs of the other bidders of the artemis program to boeing?
>>12371193Fucking hope its not Rep Horn. I'll take anyone else. She's anti-commercial space.
>>12371246no, the only communication he had with Boeing was a phone call to the VP of Space at Boeing, asking him if he was going to sue if he told them that they lost the contractthe VP of Space at Boeing then immediately tried to use this illegal information in a very obviously illegal way
>>12371252Then who was the guy who leaked the price&specs again?
>>12371231>>12371252>Boeing suing for not being selectedDoubt it, and even if they tried the case would get laughed out of the courtroom
>>12371295>bribes your judge>heh nothing personnel kid
>>12371295> boing> 0 good findings
>>12371295God, how far boeing has fallen. Also a reminder that the 747 max has been cleared for flight again only 3 days ago. I really hope, somehow, that boeing gets a massive purge of the upper echelons and returns to it engineering first days.
>>12371295This isn't for HLS anon, it has the wrong teams. This looks like CRS, right?
>>12371247>She's anti-commercial spaceNo she's just pro Boeing, which may be worse desu
>>12371323Gateway Logistics Services, which is cargo for the moon space station. It's not HLS, but it shows how badly Boeing as been performing for NASA
>>12371295>>12371295How much do you want to bet that SpaceX's weakness are things like "outperforms requirements" and "hasn't been around as long".
>>12371295>SNC cucked againI want them to succeed so bad. SpaceX needs some good competition, as opposed to boings! "competition".
>>12371295What kind of bullshit rating system is this? Are there any details public other than arbitrary numbers?
>>12370065A rocket launch is really just climbing a proverbial mountain - gravity
Climbing a mountain is done as much for the change in perspective and introspective experience as it is for the thrill, challenge and sensational experience, the "Overview effect" astronauts report experiencing from observing the Earth as whole is evidence enough that changing our perspective changes our selves in profound ways, often for the betterWhat then does it say about those who see no meaning and value in climbing a mountain let alone venturing to space, even if they would never do such things themselves.
>>12371346We can build something as tall as a skyscraper and space just swallows and turns it into a dot
>>12371342That table is just a summary of the full report. https://www.docdroid.net/EvbakaZ/glssssredacted-version-pdf
>>12371355I want to work with Tomboys in space.
>>12371391I want to work in space
>>12371409>EMU>looks like a relatively recent EVA>no camera/light assembly on the helmetWhat the hell?
What are the requirements for becoming a part of the payload integration team?It's pretty much my dream job outside of becoming an astronaut, since you'd always be close to something new that goes to space
>>12371411>looks like a relatively recent EVAliterally in the filename: expedition 61
>>12371409I want to die in space
>>12371425I want to space in space
>>12371422Yeah, I assumed all EMUs had that light/camera mount by then. I’ve even seen Russian EVAs where they mounted the lights from those things on their Orlan helmets.
S E V E N T H F L I G H T
>>12371440>btfo's cuckf00t without even trying
>>12371440if this flies, does that mean SpaceX beat their record for most flights in a year?
>>12371427>>12371423baller>>12371440NASA should give them money to just use a rocket until it fails. That would be interesting data
>>12371445Its only 7th. Elon Musk promised 10, therefore SpaceX is fake and Elon Musk is a fraud.
>>12371433>>12371425>>12371409>>12371391I want to sleep in space. My god, zero-G sleep must be absolutely amazing.
>>12371445I read somewhere that Falcon 9 marginal cost is about 20mil. Does that mean it pays for itself after a single launch? if not how many does it take? ULA said something like 10 flights is necessary, but that sounds like horse shit
>>12371445> he isn't aware of the upcoming thunderf00t video about spacex being a fraud due to rough Crew1 booster landingoh nonononooooooooooo
>>12371449>NASA should give them money to just use a rocket until it fails. That would be interesting datahad the same thought when reading that, I wish they'd do it, if they could perfect recovery every single time, how long until a single booster just gives out in flight or on return?
>>12371453Same, not in some cuck cabinet but a wide open space so I can just fall asleep and float inside
>>12371453>tfw no cuddling in zero g with a tomboy in space.
>>1237146028m*Even on second launch, pays for itself from third launch onwards (from Musk's twitter, cba to search for the tweet)
>>12371466>being woken up by bonking your head on a wallFuck that shit, stuff me in the cuckhole
Why aren't we seeding Mars with microbes and other extremophiles that can survive there? Is there a reason not to do this?
I just want to coom in space, I'm sure I can pull it off
>>12371473How bout this then>super soft padded walls>massive sphere or cylinder>no lights>no windows>final destination
>>12371448Depends. 2018 had 21 flights, 2020 has 22, HOWEVER, one of them was in flight abort test flight, so depending how you count. In terms of successful flights? Already ahead. Orbital missions? Tied with 2018. Will beat the record with Starlink 15.
I'm just worried that if I ever went to space, and to a station with enough volume, that the rest of the crew would grab me and hold me motionless in the middle of a module and then let go. You'd just be stuck there
>>12371474It already has them, unmanned rovers just suck shit
>>12371485nah, you could still "swim" through the air
>>12371485Just take your clothes off and eject them at your crewmates for reaction mass.
>>12370761China is at least better than the current west and won't waste as much resources and let their culture die both in the name of "ethics"
>>12371519>China is at least better than the current westLMAOHave you ever actually been to China?
>>12371519>China is at least better than the current westYou haven't noticed the current state of the world?>won't waste as much resources and let their culture dieI think Mao would disagree
>>12371485If you're not in physical contact with anything you're in orbit of your own and will eventually drift somewhere
>>12371551>Xi is the same as Mao
>>12371485... just vomit or spit. Or take of your clothes and throw them. Easy.
>>12371558Well they're both commies, and Mao already destroyed their culture and history
>>12371519>just as far behind SpaceX as everyone else>the eternal "n-no they'll magically catch up" cope with no salient justification>Chinese "culture" >living in a styrofoam house and selling your daughter to nigerians for "diplomatic outreach" is culture now
>>12371528You didn't answer the question. Have you ever been to or worked in Mainland China?
>>12371568Yes.We will win.
>>12371568They are far behind but they have the will to get better. Our government does not. So they may catch up
The only good thing about 2020 so far is Trump losing and all the cool SpaceX stuff.
> Chang'e 5 (Chinese: 嫦娥五号; pinyin: Cháng'é wǔhào) is a robotic Chinese lunar exploration mission consisting of a lander and a sample-return vehicle. It is scheduled for launch on 24 November 2020 to land on the moon by November 27, and return to earth around December 16–17. Chang'e 5 will be China's first sample return mission, aiming to return at least 2 kilograms (4.4 pounds) of lunar soil and rock samples back to the Earth.Cool
>>12371586>Trump losing>good thingAre you aware of who Joe Biden is, or are you just completely blinded by "orange man bad"?
>>12371568Right. But look at it from this view.One nation has a suicidal government and state. The other one wants to be the best they can. Give it 10 more years and you'll really start to notice if you don't already.
>>12371596The CCP wants to consolidate power for itself like every other authoritarian regime in human history. Literally everything else they do stems from that, not some "glorious Chinese culture". They destroyed existing Chinese culture and replaced it with cheap Western trinkets on purpose, because removing ties to the past weakens resistance.
>>12371595Trump Derangement Syndrome is one hell of a psychological disorder to suffer from.
>>12371609Trump was pretty incompetent but Americans need to be honest about the fact that they just replaced the guy who vetoed the Patriot Act renewal with the guy who wrote the Patriot Act.
>>12371596>One nation has a suicidal government and state. The other one wants to be the best they can.I'm not sure which you think is which, either way communism and China will fail
>>12371583>>12371596>relying on the state to innovateWe tried that. It worked for all of a decade and all on the back of one man, then they stopped listening to him because the state cannot be relied on, and it fell apart. Now everyone else is following that model that didn't work while lacking the strong leadership that could have saved it. I don't know what you're expecting to come out of that, but I can tell you it's not happening.
I almost wish for China to catch up so they'll start another space race. Although that's probably why they haven't pushed hard for space yet
>>12371617You don't understand capital
>>12371625If communists understood capital, they wouldn't be communists. Which, unsurprisingly, is why China stopped being communist a long time ago. Communism can never create wealth, only redistribute it.
>>12371622>I almost wish for China to catch up so they'll start another space race.People have been wishing and memeing for a second space race with China since 2003. China doesn't give a shit about rapidly catching up with the US in manned spaceflight and is more than happy to take it at their own pace. Expecting China to be the driving force that forces NASA to get its shit together is a lost cause
i need to write a science fiction story with spaceflight give me ideas sfg
>>12371640Bugeater colony faces massive internal strife over the ethics of eating newly arrived bugmen
>>12371640mars 2060, nuclear war on earth
>>12371551Yes I am. China has alot of issues but their tech companies dont control the media. They got their biggest simp biden in the white house and they dont allow multinational corporations to control them in fact its the other way around
>>12371640I've got a good idea for a story about how this one anon was a totally uncreative faggot that solicited ideas on a anime image board
>>12371659>their tech companies don't control the mediaBecause the CCP owns both all the tech companies and all the media. This isn't better, they just don't bother pretending not to be authoritarians.
>>12371620Okay lolbert. Its not the state that is the issue. It is who is in control of the state. Our State is controlled by plutocrats
>>12371670Yeah and they dont simp for twitter, google or bill gates. Maybe we should learn from our enemies if they are doing well?
>>12371670>>12371675Also>authoritarians badAll systems are going to be authoritarians one way or another. Your only choice is to choose what kind.
>>12371675>guys the evil NWO Bill Gates pedo conspiracy controls everything what do we do>I know, give all the power to an unelected and unaccountable politburo
>>12371659>Yes I am.What? Never made any claims as to who you where> but their tech companies dont control the mediaNo, the state does, much better!
>>12371689It is much better because you have no real choice lol. Someone will control it Lolbert your only choice is whom gets to control it.
>>12371687>its okay when corporations do it!
>>12371698It isn't. Your answer is "it's bad when corporations do it, so let's have an authoritarian state do it instead". That's not actually an answer at all, all you've done is change the job titles. How are you possibly so dense that you understand the problem with unelected authoritarians dictating the truth, but still think that replacing the blue bird with a swastica changes anything?
I fucking hate commies
>>12371702How are elections doing for you? How is democracy when the person that wins is whomever has the most cash or the people with the most cash wants to win. The "freedom" you want is a lie. You can either have an authoritarian that works for you or not. Thats the only real choice lol
>/sfg/ - Bullshit Politics General
Why Starlink will probably be banned in India:>Indians must own between 25 and 49% of a business that is trying to do business in India>a law is in the works that would ban companies from sharing data on Indian citizens with foreign governments (Starlink would be required by law to share data on Indian citizens with the US government)>a major Indian company has a huge investment in OneWebhttps://old.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/jygv6x/an_opinion_stop_holding_out_hope_for_starlink_to/
>>12371708>things are shit so let's make them worse!
>>12371609Trump is a piece of shit, but at least he is a piece of shit not in the pocket of the CCP.
Watching NASA on that sentinel stream made me cringe. What were they thinking? Was this a practice run for the SLS stream next year? If so it may be a disaster in more ways than one..
Reminder that shooting communists is always self defense, and that fascism is just communism with a race obsession.
>>12371725What did I miss? I haven't been on all day.
>>12371671>Okay lolbert.No, I just know the state's proper place. I'm not telling you the state is bad for making roads and running day to day bureaucracy, I'm telling you it's bad at handling fast moving markets and innovation. >Its not the state that is the issue. It is who is in control of the state.The state is as good as its ability to put capable people in places of power where they can do good work. Who are your capable leaders in space, and what are the limits of their power and influence?
>>12371725SLS has the same lack of system integration testing that Starliner did. I fully expect it to fail. There will be some ancient crusty line of Shuttle code that shuts down one of the engines or something.
>>12371721I doubt having a leader that cares about you is worse lol
>>12371733As funny as an SLS RUD would be, that would most likely cause the American public to turn against spaceflight. I'd rather have the bad orange rocket fly if it means that popular support of space is kept
>>12371736>authoritarianism >a leader who "cares about you"lmfao what a delusional fucking nigger
>new NDAA in the works>Space Force may get a reserve component>Congress is likely to drop support for a naval rank structureWhy do spacefags hate naval ranks?
>>12371732Uh yeah who was the bad guy when Caesar got into power? Was it him or the Senate? Were the Italian people poorer under the Duce or did they get a better life? The issue is not authoritarianism its who is control of the system. That goes for any system. The issue with democracy is that more often then not sycophants get into power and then do nothing because its is the money changer in control not the president.
>>12371698>>12371702you guys are talking about stuff i thought about when i was a teenageri guess this proves that engineers are no smarter than a fifth grader when it comes to anything other than math and science
>>12371751>can't answer the question, starts talking about a completely different subject>only here to defend pooh bear, could give less than of a shit about chink spaceflightOf course.
>>12371746Because they hate the popular idea that space is like an ocean
>>12371752>I'm smarter than both sides but refuse to state or defend my positionsyou're stupider than both sides but have given up after years of being btfo
At least Xi isn't afraid to show he is the leader. Western society is led by a bunch of invisible people who don't care at all. There's maybe a few strategists trying to change things, but the prime minister or president is not the one in control within a corporatist society.
>>12371757this thread is supposed to be about space engineeringwhat the fuck are you talking about
>>12371752woah there einstein you are blowing me away with your intellectyou thought about it when you were a teenager? NO how?????
>>12371754How was i going to a different subject? I said its not about the system its about who is allowed to be in power. I dislike pooh bear but all I said we should control our tech companies better. You know like learning from your enemy when they are doing well because guess what faggot. They're controlling our tech companies.
>>12371759Yes, absolute power is clearly the better way...Also, dictators like XI are always one wrong step away from dying of a "natural death" by a bullet trough the head while tied up.
>>12371759This is plutocratic corporatist imo. Real corporatism is like what Gentile wanted in Italy
>>12371771Yeah its better to kill one bad leader rather then a million bad voters. Good point
>>12371766>I said its not about the system its about who is allowed to be in powerThat's what I said, Chinaboo. >The state is as good as its ability to put capable people in places of power where they can do good work. I didn't talk shit about any one system, other than to say that the state is a poor vehicle for innovation. Which it is, and your arguments have nothing to do with in any case.Now, answer the question. What has your glorious Chinese system wrought for leadership in space? Who are your great leaders who will btfo the west, and what are the actual imbuements of their posts?
What do we think of solar thermal propulsion?>A solar thermal rocket is a theoretical spacecraft propulsion system that would make use of solar power to directly heat reaction mass, and therefore would not require an electrical generator, like most other forms of solar-powered propulsion do. The rocket would only have to carry the means of capturing solar energy, such as concentrators and mirrors. The heated propellant would be fed through a conventional rocket nozzle to produce thrust. Its engine thrust would be directly related to the surface area of the solar collector and to the local intensity of the solar radiation. https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/11/a-solar-powered-rocket-might-be-our-ticket-to-interstellar-space/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_thermal_rocket
>>12371774In CCP china it's easier to just kill a million voters then one bad leader.They did it before.
>>12371731NASA took charge of the stream and had 2 presenters sit in a field to cover the launch with bad audio echoing, weird child choir singing 'America the Beautiful', schoolgrade science experiments that went to shit at the end, talking over the countdown, talking over the booster landing and they stretched it out for over 2 fucking hours.. it was a shitshow.The more I think about it the more I am convinced that this was more about testing how they were going to stream the SLS launch next year...
>>12371775I'm not chinese though. I'm just saying its better to control you tech companies then not. All I said is that the chinese state has the will to get into space and while its great that SpaceX has that will as well. I wish SpaceX had more backing by the U.S state. The issue with us right now is that we are comfy and we are stuck with companies that do nothing but milk taxpayers. Maybe china having the will to go into space can bring that will back to the U.S.
>>12371781Irrelevant in today's world, you can make a better system using photovoltaics powering electric systems.
>>12371789>I'm just saying its better to control you tech companies then not
>>12371789>I'm not chinese though.That's literally the implication behind "chinaboo", yes.>still doesn't actually address the fucking point and goes back to knocking on about whatever is in his mind insteadThe fucking state of it. You cannot cope with the fact that you know nothing about the thing you're defending.
>>12371798What is your point retard? State bad? Okay then you're complety okay with this system we live in.
>>12371798>>12371809Also what am I defending?
>>12371809I have asked you twice now to give some evidence of the power of the Chinese system at work. I have asked you to regale me with your tails of its great space leaders and every time you pretend I said nothing. Do you know anything about its space program? What is it that convinces you that it is so strong when you don't have any knowledge of it? >Also what am I defending?Are you on drugs?
>>12371821I'm not talking about the chinese system though and you didn't ask that. You just talked about the concept of the state
Speaking of Chinese spaceflight, thoughts on Long March 8?
>>12370457It means that the national priority is turning away from access to space. SpaceX will soon start running into heavy bureaucratic opposition. Don't be surprised if Boca Chica is shut down to protect those wading herons that those protesters were agitating about.Biden and Kamala are controlled by Chinese handlers, so their objective is to stifle US space exploration.Hopefully Musk is prepared for this and can relocate as neccesary.
>>12371826>Don't be surprised if Boca Chica is shut down to protect those wading herons that those protesters were agitating about.Got a source for that?
>>12371823>>12371821I'm not saying its strong now I'm just saying it can be strong in the future. Why is it bad to account for the possible issues your enemy may cause upon you. I'm saying or trying to say while the milestones they hit are small they have the will to go further. They will inch closer and closer until one day you will find them trying to put people on the moon.
>>12371823So you jumped in to talk about the state, despite the fact that you don't actually know or have any interest in the subject at hand? The subject was the state in regards to spaceflight and specifically to Chinese spaceflight relative to the West. If you didn't know anything about that, why did you even respond?
>>12371831https://www.brownsvilleherald.com/2020/08/04/environmentalists-call-full-review-spacex-ops/>>12371833We china has the will to go further with their space program and out state only cares about pork. One leads to pushing further to catch up with us and the other leads to stagnation. Its a possible issue we need to address
>>12371826other anon here, you dont know shit. The US militairy really wants starlink to become real and has great intrest in starship. SpaceX is safe.
>>12371840>>12371833and addressing that is to have a US government that is real about space exploration and exploitation. Don't underestimate your enemy.
>>12371840It's the perfect pretext. So far, the federal government has been ignoring these cretins. But without Orange Man, there's nothing to stop Biden deferring all decision-making to the CCP.
>>12371826>Don't be surprised if Boca Chica is shut down to protect those wading herons>Hopefully Musk is prepared for this and can relocate as neccesary.right, they'll move slightly inland, though I don't think they'll have to. Though desu I hope Elon eventually buys and island close to the equator and just whatever he wants there
>>12371845I hope so. but who knows the path the pentagon will take in the end.
>>12371845Well, I hope so. I just don't have much hope for the future the way things are developing.
>>12371840>we china>>12371789>I'm not Chinese thoWe need flags and IDs.
>>12371840>We china has the will to go further with their space program and out state only cares about pork.You're turning incoherent, Zhou
Electron bros, I think I might join your ranks. But before doing so, redpill me on this "aerothermal decelerator" technology. Is it just chutes? Where does the booster fall? is a boat dispatched to the expected landing site of each mission?
>>12371840>We china has the will to go further with their space program and out state only cares about pork.I'm talking shit about our state, too. I'm talking shit about every state. They all need to change their approach to spaceflight. In the meantime, what makes you think the Chinese approach propels them past US private space, the real leader? Who are their great leaders, how do they rise through the ranks? Where is the demonstration of "willpower" that goes beyond what everyone else is showing?
>>12371851I don't think it's anything, it's a petition by some whiny boomers and iirc the whole thing was plagued with inaccuracies. More to the point though Boca Chica launch ops are temporary, they'll move to sea launch eventually hence the lack of strong pad development.
>>12371851SpaceX Island would be incredibly based.
>>12371851>watch sentinel stream on NASA channel>2 wymen and 1 men speaking.>NASA official comment appears in chat>"the planet is warming, learn how at NASA site"This is what NASA will be about under Biden. Other than JPL, the rest is just a leftist organization with nothing relevant to do other than milking taxpayer's money. Because Trumpf didn't want to look bad on the news, he left NASA untouched. Now that Biden has been elected, climate and wymen is what NASA will be about.I hope he at least shuts a large part of it down.
>>12371867I find it interesting that they went with 9 tiny rocket engines. I wonder what kind of analysis goes into these kinds of decisions. Upcoming smallsat competitors firefly and launcher have gone with 4 larger engines as a solution
>>12371888Maybe they could buy Epstein’s old island.
>>12371888launching from a coast and landing on an island would be pretty sick.
>>12371889It't pretty funny really, considering Sentinel 6 will be montering sea level rise, and Copernicus in general in just Earth observation. Which all is the direction NASA will be going towards the next few years. Very telling launch
>>12371894They wanted to use electric pump meme engines and those have a firm upper limit on size (the pump)
>>12371889>Because Trumpf didn't want to look bad on the newsLaughable. He looked bad on the news constantly. They never made him look good, ever. Whatever his reasons for allowing NASA to pursue space science, appealing to the media wasn't it.
>>12371880I really hope it works. The push now will be for a completely inward looking mentality. SpaceX is in a massive race against time to get to Mars before that window closes.
>>12371824What the fuck is this frankenstein of a rocket?
>>12371910This, the man has been compared to hitler literally every day for 4 years now.
>>12371928More like five years. The hate started a few months after his announcement of candidacy.
>>12371867Booster is caught by a helicopter
>>12371920It won't, that's why I'm looking into migrating to China soon. They've started to allow obtaining Chinese citizenship for highly skilled individuals. It's better to live under an autocratic regime that appreciates your work than to endure the slow decay of Western civilization as more and more resources are spent on attracting Muslims and Africans.
>>123719284 years of no new wars and economic prosperity and we coulda had 4 more but those mean tweets I guess.
>>12371894>I wonder what kind of analysis goes into these kinds of decisionsWasn't it "The bigger, the more efficient"? (Also more expensive). In a reusable, you can theoretically afford to have large expensive single engines, as you can recover them later.The Rutherfords are 3D printed and have electrical pumps. Maybe this somehow overcomes the inefficiency of multiple engines?
>>12371936You won't be missed.
>>12371920It doesn't matter one whit what direction the govt is looking when SpaceX goes to Mars as long as they aren't bringing any NASA personnel or missions with them.>>12371936And this is why you don't pickle your brain with chinaboo nonsense. Give them every rational argument in the world against their claims and they will just declare that you're "underestimating the enemy". Leave them to their devices and they say shit like this. Who's underestimating who? I hope you make it to China just to watch SpaceX wipe its ass with the chink space program.
>>12371910>Laughable. He looked bad on the news constantlyShutting down the Florida shuttle mafia was too much for him to handle.
>>12371317>Also a reminder that the 747 max has been cleared for flight again only 3 days ago.I AM READY.
>>12371595Anyone who can't see that Trump is a narcissistic petulant fraud is a moron.
>>12371934But they don't waste fuel on burning back to the landing site, right? meaning each mission would have a different free fall trajectory. A helicopter doesn't have much range, it needs to take off near the mission site. Do they dispatch a helicopter-carrier ship to the expected recovery site?
>>12371956No, that just means you're hallucinating.
>>12371956Okay? I never said he wasn't. I asked if you understood just what you're getting with the Senator from MBNA, author of the PATRIOT act and 1992 crime bill. You can do much, much worse than a President who accomplishes nothing but mean tweets and half a wall.
>>12371956Nobody is denying that, it's just that the alternative is bending over even more for CCP cock. >>12371955Well, they had more then a year to fix it, if they still keep dropping out of the sky at this point boeing CEO's should be shot down like the sick dogs they are.
>>12371956Most successful people in big business or the military are raging narcissists and bullies with psychopathic tendencies. That’s what makes them good at what they do. I don’t want to have a beer with the guy, I want him to do the job. And if you look at the scope of the office of the president and judge his performance by what the president is actually supposed to do, then he did a damn good job. Better than any president in our lifetime unless your like 50 some years old.
>>12371964Not even Trump pretends Trump isn't a narcissistic sociopath. You don't put your name on giant buildings out of modesty.
>>12371640Mankind ventures into space only to find he’s the only one who’s cruising around the galaxy. Essentially the trope of the “ancient galactic civilization that fell” is the story of humanity.
>>12371640The SLS leaves the ground on its own means.
>>12371992>alien explorers uncover humanity's ruins and trace the empire back to the sol system>earth is a radioactive wasteland except africa which has returned to a tribal state and antactica which is uninhabited more like Iceland in climate than it's present state>sun has expanded somewhat, mercury has been consumed>venus is still venus>mars has grand ruins of dome cities and a thin but breathable atmosphere, little life remains>outer solar system is guarded by autonomous defense drone ships bearing the Neuralink logo, none dare venture closer>alien explorers stumble on 4chan archive
>>12371990I'm not disagreeing about the narcissist part, every person who holds office is a a narcissist. The fraud is what I was responding to. What makes him a fraud?
>>12371956WOAH. TRUMP IS A MAN IN POWER, BIG POWER, HE BAD, HE ORANGE BAD MAN.(You) got the attention you wanted, now go back to twitter, discord, reddit or whatever your meaningless ass came from.
>>12371939And they weren't even mean, I thought they were hilarious.
>>12371956Leaders are supposed to be narcissistic in a healthy way. If you want to see real malignant narcissism, read Hillary's or Obama's books.
>>12371940wait, bigger engines are more efficient? I could have sworn I heard the opposite, or that larger = worse T/W? My memory is dogshit goddamn.
Hey so whatever happened to that Moon thing Elon and that weird Japanese guy was working on. Did they ever announce who was going? Was it cancelled?
>>12372013>What makes him a fraud?Um.....ORANGE MAN BAD
>>12372058Still in the pipeline.
The likely demolition of the Arecibo Observatory makes me wonder, would it be more useful to have a giant radar dish that can rotate? Like, isn't being stuck facing straight up a major handicap for the observatory?It could be more practical to assemble a replacement in space instead of on the ground.Pros:-Can point itself in any direction-Far less mass required overall, as the structure only needs the strength to survive tidal forces and its own rotation-Construction process is possibly easier, as the lack of need for strength means designs can focus on being easy to build instead of being strong (for example, the dish could be assembled by folding out rails and then sliding panels outwards along those rails, meaning astronauts can assemble the dish while staying at the centre of it)Cons:-Observatory must supply its own power for the radar-It's really fucking bright if it's reflecting sunlight towards the ground
>>12372071>he doesn't know>they're not telling us>>12369894
>>12372051Larger is better in terms of TWR. The combustion chamber produces more trust the larger the nozzle bell is, but the pumps and piping do not need to grow proportionally. So larger engines have less supportive overhead.However, larger is more problematic. The combustion is not as stable. Read about the F1 and the "controlled detonations" story. Larger engines can be a development hell.
>>12372090>bigger = better TWR>raffs in Merlin
>>12371956Never said I loved him, but he isn’t as bad as the ((((((((((((news))))))))))))) makes him out to be. Have your (you)
>>12372090Additionally, bigger and fewer engines mean you have less redundancy.If an engine fails, unless it's right in the centre, you have to disable the opposite engine to compensate.If you have 1-3 engines, losing an engine means losing the rocket.If you have 4 engines, losing an engine means losing half your thrust, which may or may not cost the mission depending on when it happens.I'm no expert, but I figure you need at least 7 engines in order to be able to lose one at any stage of the mission and still be able to succeed.
>>12371485You have a handy-dandy cold gas thrust system comprised of your lungs and mouth.
>>12371867>aerothermal deceleratorNo one knows exactly what it is yet. It’s probably so small that air drag is enough to slow it down to pop the chutes.
>>12372191You still might not reach orbit.A Raptor engine alone weights 1.5 tons. Imagine carrying a dead ton to orbit. Even so, in a multi-engine setup you can still recover the booster if some engine fails. Theoretically it should be possible to land the entire rocket including payload as long as TWR is > 1. The suicide burn just takes longer.
>>12372159It is not the TWR of the individual engine what gets better, it is the total TWR of the entire stage.
>>12372225AKA just point retro and let the drag slow you down.Engines act as a heatshield of sorts.
>>12372253You were talking about individual engines. Bigger is better for tankage, not for individual engines.
>>12371894Astra's rocket also has four engines.I hope Launcher succeeds because they sound pretty respectable, but I think they'll be too late. The current smallsat market could probably support 3 companies. With more competitive rideshare, that'll probably become 1 or 2. Starship won't kill it entirely imo.
>>12371568They're not actually as far behind as most others. They're planning to launch the reusable long march 8 before the end of the year.
>>12372292Yes, a booster with a single big ass engine is more efficient than the same booster with many little engines.
>>12372435I thought that was called super SH SN-1?
>>12372436Honestly I'd think BN-1 would be better for it, to avoid confusion.
>>12372289>MFW People looking for kiichi artist accidentally find the kiichi NSFW one
>>12372315if launcher's claims are true their RP-1 engine is pretty insane. 365s vacuum isp? Damn. (https://launcherspace.com/engine-2)And yeah the smallsat market is growing, but the competition is going to be ridiculous. I wonder if these companies are going to try and carve out a niche so that they don't have to compete 100% or if they're just going to go full survival of the fittest
>>12372458Honestly there is only going to be room for maybe one or two small sat launchers in the future, one of those is almost certainly Electron. Quite possibly none if SpaceX offers a rideshares bus that has integrated kick stages to get to your desired orbital plane/inclination.
>>12372462Whatever happened to SpaceX's rideshare program? We haven't heard anything about this for a while.
>>12372462I think Starship is intended to be around $2 million per flight once it hits regular service. If they ever actually manage to reach that number, it'd be feasible for universities to pool resources and joint-buy cubesat launches.
>>12371485>You'd just be stuck thereYou could swim
>>12371670>Because the CCP owns both all the tech companies and all the media. This isn't betterYeah it is. Authoritarianism is a good idea.
>>12371720>Indians must own between 25 and 49% of a business that is trying to do business in IndiaThat’s pretty awesome. Other countries could learn from that.
>>12372483They've had some rideshare launches already. There's going to be more in 2021.
>Endeavour confirmed to be used for Crew-2 mission after NASA gave approval for SpaceX to launch humans in reused Dragons on reused Falcon 9Neat. I wonder if this is being done as a redundancy measure incase Starliner fucked up again.
>>12371720OneWeb sucks though and would only serve a fraction of Indian clients compared to Starlink. This is like punishing your own population. Sometimes protectionism makes sense but this is just shooting yourself in the foot.
>>12372502Which is why Russian space program is on life support and China would never see a private equivalent of Starship (while the state-produced one would appear a decade after SpaceX, if ever)
>>12372491>If they ever actually manage to reach that number, it'd be feasible for universities to pool resources and joint-buy cubesat launches.it'd be feasible for them to buy much more then cubesat launches anon (universities already do that). Also the goal now is 1 million per launch, and assuming they only ever reach 100 tons to LEO that still means 10$/kilogram. Universities could probably create their own small space stations at such prices. For example, a university could send a 50 ton space station into orbit for only 500000 dollars.
>>12372517Just read that starliner was delayed to 2021 because of more software problems also they brought in Spacex's software guy to head the project..
>>12372435>>12372439>The duality of man
>>12372517Ugh if only NASA went with Dreamchaser instead of Boeing's half done crap.
>>12372542>also they brought in Spacex's software guy to head the project..>Yeah ok so go ahead and delete every single line of code, fire Mumbai softcorp, hire some white guys and start over from scratch
With just how many starlink launches there are going to be do you think we will start seeing third party starlink form factor satellites much in the same way we have cubesats. It seems to me if you could make a satellite that can seamlessly just be shoved into a starlink stack you could probably get a pretty cheap launch cost from spacex. You could even make a starlink shaped tug that deploys a shitload of cubesats on the cheap.
>>12372558Being a present of past boeing employee is going to get your children fed to the maggots.
>>12371460Elon said that by the third launch Falcon 9 boosters print money.
>>12371485Literally exhale and you will accelerate. Just enjoy being able to relax for a minute without needing to touch anything.
>>12372377You are a seriously confused little person. TWR is TWR. Multiple Merlins to match an F1's absolute thrust still outmatch its TWR by just as much.
>>12372377Not true. The additional mass of the thrust structure needed to mount a cluster of smaller engines is real but not very big. Otherwise, it 100% comes down to engine TWR and engine Isp. Both of these factors are maximized in an engine with as high a combustion chamber pressure as you can manage, which is harder to manage at larger scales. Also, turbopumps scale weird and start to get proportionally heavier at larger scales. The ideal engine size is probably something around Raptor sized.
>>12372315>Astra's rocket also has four engines.It has 5 first stage engines
>>12372613Am I having a stroke?What did he mean by this?
>>12370077Checked, this is gonna be hilarious once it goes down
God damn, NASA’s launching on spacex rockets like once a week now. Fucking lmao, the whole point of ULA was to be a reliable option that was basically forced by the DoD to form. And then some autistic south african savant comes out of nowhere and offers them a rocket that can launch more for cheaper
If the boosters hit 10 flights how many flights could they actually hit before the basic material starts to break down. Is there a potential with the F9 for going 20~? Or is that kind of performance not expected of the material construction
>>12372780kek, fucking star shitizen. Sad to say I've spent a bunch of money in it and yet to witness any progress the past 2 years after getting in 7 years ago.
>>12372770How could a 4chan general possibly be expected to answer that?
>>12372770I think Elon mentioned not long ago they're yet to see any signs of wear&tear so possibly way past 10. The construction is aluminium so it will eventually develop fatigue cracks, but that's what inspections are for.
>>12371786>launch next yearkek
shot from the launch today
I miss Vandenburg twilight launches, I could see them all the way from Phoenix
>>12372436>>12372437> would beDoesn't matter, SpaceX themselves is using BN-X nomenclature.
>>12372677it's a /sci/ namefaghe's schizophrenic or something, generally an entertaining dude
>>12371453if memory serves me, the apollo astronauts usually said they preferred sleeping in the moon's gravity to both zero G and earth's gravity
>>12372990>ywn bunk in your comfy moon hammock with a geology bro
>>12372990What if partial-g is just absolute paradise for human physiology? Wouldn't that be a treat.
Alright /sfg/- it's 2022, the ESA has been abandoned, meaning the Ariane 5 will no longer be flying, thus also ending the JWST.You've been tasked with designing a telescope to be the foundation for the next generation of space telescopes. It must be more powerful than the JWST, somewhere within the Earth/Moon system (farthest it can be placed is in the Sun/Earth Lagrange points), and must be launched as one structure- so no orbital assembly. Those are your only restrictions. How do you best complete your mission to allow humanity to gaze into the cosmos like never before?
>>12372995>men become gods in partial-g
>>12372999make a hubble the size of the JWST, but put it in orbit of the moon like we were going to do with gateway if trump had gotten reelected
>>12372999A slightly bigger JWST launching on Starship, but I seek executive authority to beat the various project leads to death with a piece of rebar if they don't meet their deadlines. Also we're building two at the same time for redundancy.
>>12372999mass produce Starships with 9m optics, still kicks Hubble's ass and can be launched in huge numbers = more telescope time = more science
I will graduate in 2 years with a aerospace engineering bsc, will I really have to learn mandarin? How likely is it that Biden will ruin our space industry?
>>12373016Outside of Artemis, the majority of interesting things happening in American the civil space sector are coming from SpaceX, which is largely insulated from the whims of individual administrations. Meanwhile, the military side of space is only going to expand for the foreseeable future. As the new Cold War escalates, congress will be perfectly content dumping cash into the aerospace sector to maintain America’s lead.
>>12372999uh LUVOIR-B launched on Starship but instead of one of them there's like twenty and they each weigh 100 tons and are serviceable by Starshipalso instead of trying to uncrumple used MLI tissue for a sunshade they just use MLI stapled to a big folding board
>>12373008>only twoI need at least thirty of these things
>>12373016SpaceX works for the military and private customers, not the government. Not even Droolin' Joe would be allowed to interfere with those spy satellite contracts.
>whitey on the moontsk tsk can't have any of thathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9veiWVJevA
Is the Chinaman gone?
>>12372886Metal fatigue is/was a problem for airplanes and just put the rocket through an X-ray scanner to detect any kind of cracks and replace any component that has it. In that way, rockets can and will become exactly like planes like mister Musk allways wanted them to be.
>>12372465Are you not supposed to say 'manned spaceflight' anymore? For all peoplekind guess!
>>12372999A liquid mirror telescope on the far side of the moon
>>12373081Escalator ate’em. His replacement will arrive in a few hours.
>>12372770elon said they could probably go past 100 flights even with a falcon 9 but they have no reason to do so
>>12372542>also they brought in Spacex's software guy to head the project..
>>12373081>>12373145Why the China hate? Competition is a good thing. They're aiming for asteroid mining by 2040
>>12373202>space ladderchina can't even make a step ladder that lasts for longer than a few yearshow tf are they gonna make a space ladder?
>>12373202>competition>state ownedSpaceX is already working on China's 2035 roadmap goal and China hasn't even accomplished their 2020 goal
>>12373202assuming starship has its first commercial (non-spacex) launches in 2022 and has at least once a week launch cadence (the high cadence that will be required to fuel colonization fleets for mars transfer will have to use sea based launch pads which probably won't be ready until the late 2020s/early 2030s), i wonder when the first asteroid mining will occur
>Ukraine is the ninth country that has signed the NASA Artemis Accords, the Ukrainian national space agency announced on its website, without giving further details.>o far, Australia, Canada, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), the United Kingdom (UK), and the United States have signed the agreements.Ukraine? why tho?
is LUVOIR A or LUVOIR B the big one
>>12373202>>12373205>space ladderYeah I can't wait to see people just vanishing in the machinery. Oh and bits of it to spontaneously combust
>>12373213Ukraine can into spacethey inherited a significant portion of the Soviet Union's space launch capabilities
>>12373213They have domestic space industry and need to stay on the good side of the US to ensure their survival as a nation
>>12373213>signing the Artemis Accords after Trump's already lost the electionit's just a PR move
>>12373216Excuse me, IT'S MA'AMED.
>>12373209The point is that China's space program is forcing the US to stay ahead. ESA, Russians and India are no competition. But China exploiting the solar system's resources before the US does is a threat that even the boomers in the US administration understand.
>>12373226>forgetting about the biden-ukraine scandalthis is just more ritual humiliation
>>12372886I know I'm massively oversimplifying, but is it fair to say a rocket would have far less fatigue cracking than an airliner? Very basically speaking, a rocket only really endures significant forces in one direction for a couple of minutes, within a well controlled region (ie. not launching when there's a lot of wind shear). Contrast with planes, which have to deal with all sorts of weather conditions, turbulence, loading in different directions and pressurisation/depressurisation cycles on the fuselage constantly.
>>12373257imagine the vibrations
jeeez, these flaps are really booking it, huhhttps://youtu.be/PnAPqdAqVCY
>>12373257>Diesel fueled rockets Make it happen somehow /sfg/
Would small pieces of ice evaporate in Earth orbit?If so, it could make sense to have a big slab of ice in orbit that's just meant to act as a sponge for impacts from junk. The idea being that like everything else, it produces a spray of deadly debris when hit by deadly debris, but because it's ice the new debris is short lived, meaning it's replacing long-lived debris with short-lived debris.
>>12373357large pieces of ice evaporate in LEO as well
>>12373359Well, junk isn't a concern in LEO is it? Because small things deorbit pretty quickly.If it's the interaction with the atmosphere that causes the evaporation of ice, then at the altitudes where junk is virtually permanent flecks of ice may not evaporate over a reasonable timeframe.
>>12373257For aluminium fatigue cracking is only a matter of load vs number of load cycles, so it depends entirely on design. Planes have decades of engineering behind them specifically to stop this from being an issue, rockets were single use until like a few years ago so it wasn't a problem for them as well. For reusable rockets it would be pretty much the same process of iterative design it was for planes I guess, except we know a lot more materials science now and have way better computers to model stuff before relying on it to not kill people and destroy expensive equipment.Coincidentally, steel doesn't have this problem and will not crack no matter the amount of cycles so long you keep it below a certain load limit.
>>12373234>The point is that China's space program is forcing the US to stay ahead. Who is China's space program forcing to stay ahead, and how? Certainly not NASA, who are a joke at this point. SpaceX? I doubt they think much about China at all, it isn't their competition, they're far ahead even if it was, and their behavior is guided by their internal goals. BO, ULA/Boing/Lockmart? The competition they're thinking about is SpaceX. Even the smallsat launchers' main competition is SpaceX, China launches a bunch of smallsats but they're not a workable market so it literally doesn't matter. Why are Chinaboos only capable of vague sweeping statements? "They have the willpower", "you're underestimating the enemy", "w-well what about competition", etc. When you get into the specifics of the merits of their ideas they either change the subject or don't respond.
>>12373213Ukraine will gladly eat shit if America tells them it will spite Russia
>>12373123Can't spell 'human' without 'man', checkmate
first i was like....
>>12373448but then i was like....
>>12370012Whole of tribe need to breath bad smoke in closed cave.
>>12373348You can do it it would just be impractical. Extremely coke-heavy and inconsistent as fuck because it's basically RP1 plus a bunch of mystery meat.
>>12373348Read Ignition, the part about kerosene distillation.
>>12373257I doubt it but im no rocket scientist. The big issue that had to be solved way back in the day with cracking and fatigue with airplanes is the constant change in pressure and filling the cabin to 1 bar as you go up 7 miles. you have tanks that filled to 8 bar now and engines that undergo 30 bar
>>12373617>you have tanks that filled to 8 barsauce on F9 tank pressure?8 bar was the pressure test for SS, with lots of headroom, not the operational pressure, but it's stainless so no worries about fatigue
They should've made more ATVs. They were pretty kino and made the station look bigger
>>12373202>2020: rocket part dropping on local villages >2045: space ladder pieces dropping on cities around the globe
>>12373651It's just not the same unless the space ladder uses hypergols.
>>12373633ah, the rp-1 and lox is filled at about 50 psi so like 3.5 barhttps://youtu.be/vVQyZn-VtXUI just assumed they filled it up but they have turbopumps so no real needeven then the filling and emptying of the tanks would put stress on it
I want to hear some good news
>>12373675Well, the ISS still has pressure and the people on it aren't dead. The two sample return missions are doing okay and heading home now, so that's pretty nice. Curiosity is getting closer to Mars and we'll get to see it land in a few more months godwilling. The sun is shining and the air tastes nice today.
>>12373675Some anon had sex some time ago
>>12373684>>12373685It's great to hear some positivity
>>12373675Hayabusa 2 reenters in two weeks time BepiColombo enters Mercury' orbit in a little over five years JUICE & Europa Clipper might do stuff around Jupiter in ten years
>>12373684Perseverance not Curiosity, I think is what you meant>>12373675Check out this tweet from spacex. Idk if this is NASA people or spacex people commentating (sounds like both) but their reaction is really genuine and wholesomehttps://twitter.com/spacex/status/1330201338593095684?s=21
>>12372999LUVOIR, but the head shield is place separately in in the Starship fairing, and the components dock to each other after unfolding.
>>12373453And I'm still mad that while Russians are about to complete their segment, Murica scrapped their original configuration, turning the much needed hab module to some ground laboratory.
>>12372999Why restrict oneself to a single launch?>>12373130When starship is launching ten times a day we can build a 2km wide reflector on the far side of the moon in 2035
>>12373795God I love the current design of starship, but that 1950's-style landing leg/fin was so fucking cool
>>12373800It was proposed that the lower stage lands without any legs to reduce turn-around time but that needs to be a very precise landing. I think they should take minimum 2 starships on any trip. Imagine gently tipping over over on landing and being trapped until your air runs out.
>>12373818>just 2 Elon wants to storm that shit like normandy
>>12373818>>12373825the first human mission will pretty much just be setting up the beginnings of the colony, and i believe the crew will return, but eventually elon wants to be sending hundreds and later up to a thousand or more crewed starships to mars every synod with permanent colonists
>>12373825>sending more tonnage to Mars in one transfer window than the entirety of previous missionsImagine the amount of anger from the "slow and steady, rovers only" crowd
>>12373675Trump will be out in a couple of months
>>12373857He said good news, not bad news. You're either legitimately retarded, or pic related.
>>12372534Or another way to put it.You could put skylab into orbit for only ~750000$
>>12373731>https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1330201338593095684?s=21Iwonder what Braun would've said if he ever managed to see rockets launching and landing like that
>>12373857Oh, great! Artemis 1 will be moved to 2028, Artemis 2 to 2032, and Artemis 3 will visit the Chinese moon base in 2036. That's some great news (for Chinese).
>>12373857>>12373860whether its good or not can only be judged in hindsight wait 3 years or so, any whinging or celebrations only betrays ones bias
>>12373675Things in the sky explode sometimes
>>12373888As part of my election platform I openly campaigned that I was going to stab you in the gut. I now reaffirm that I'm going to do it as president elect. Whether its good or not can only be judged in hindsight so do nothing while it happens and wait until you're either dead or fully recovered to pass any judgement on it as to not be biased.
>>12373921exactlyyou never specified what you're going to stab me withcould be a gag knife or a magic dildo that grants immortalityand if you do end up murdering me, then it will be a solid precedent to not vote for someone with your platform ever again and make fun of those who voted for you
>>12373943No, you just ended up getting actually stabbed and dying of Sepsis. The person you would have voted for in my stead would have tortured you before doing even worse and your threat of not voting for me was meaningless when you're one out of billions of easily manipulated people and you're powerless to force real change, not that you'll be aware of that with the orgasmic pleasure of fence sitting and having the centrist pole shoved so far up your ass that you believe your lack of opinion or action is worth anything.
>>12373825Fucking based. Born too early to explore the Earth, born just in time to spread the seed to the planets
>>12373982You butchered that phrase pretty good there, kimosabi
>>12373888>whether its good or not can only be judged in hindsightDemocrats openly oppose human spaceflight.
damn this thing is big
>>12374037Gotta fund Bidencare from something
>>12374096It's Whitey On the Moon 2: Electric Boogaloo. When your political position is dependent on virtue signaling, you're obviously going to buckle when people ask you why you support spending money on space when there are so people without homes or whatever bullshit.
once a good amount of celestial bodies have had enough colonization to become self sufficient, will right of conquest return to being used?
>>12374144Depends on how destructive the following wars will be. The whole reason why the Space Treaty was made because a space war could easily result in the Cold War turning hot
>>12374132>When your political position is dependent on virtue signaling, you're obviously going to buckle when people ask you why you support spending money on space when there are so people without homes or whatever bullshit.Those "people" should be shown how much is being spent on social programs, and how little spaceflight spending is in comparison.
>>12374144If we had the ability to reach a good amount of celestial bodies and colonize them, attacking one of them so you could take it as your own would likely turn every faction against you even if you were previously allied. It's like being in never ending forest with just a few people and attacking someone for the tree they are cutting down instead of cutting down your own. Resources outside the solar system aren't scarce enough to create much conflict, thinking otherwise is a sci-fi LARP.
>>12374162Those people don't care about percentages, they only see tens of billions "wasted" on non-social programs.
>>12374179>t. Pacifist beta male
>>12374184Said the projecting sci-fi obsessed autist behind his keyboard.>WOW IT WOULD BE SO HECKIN' COOL TO SEE EPIC SPACE BATTLES!!!!!1111 JUST LIKE MY VIDEO GAMES!
>>12374195>WOW IT WOULD BE SO HECKIN' COOL TO SEE EPIC SPACE BATTLES!!!!!1111 JUST LIKE MY VIDEO GAMES!Yes.
>>12373882He said it's not his problem where he rocket lands
>>12374181I know. They're just targeting a very visible yet not very powerful industry to make themselves feel good. Like how some CEOs will complain about their workers costing too much while ignoring the layers of useless middle management. However, they shouldn't be allowed to continue to peddle their empty platitudes. Rebuttals should be swift, clear, and presented whenever such people voice their puddle deep nonsense.
>>12374198Well I'm sorry reality doesn't match your fantasies but if you actually get a life you may at least gain the ability to stop shitting yourself every time someone disagrees with you and your delusions.
>>12374209You’re a lot more invested in this argument than I am.Try meditation. :)
>>12373882Unironically von braun would swoon over the falcon and join spacex to help with starship if he were still alive today
>>12374218Elon would probably reject him since he was an evil Nazi
>>12374219Nice one m8, elon has an office named Von Braun in california and has a portrait of him at his home in boca
>>12374214>Try meditation. :)
>>12374225Nice cope. All nazis are bastards. Spaceflight should only focus on the planet. Case closed.
>>12374229>my PC>desktop>4chanargumentfolder>Memes for Winning Arguments>165161321632153156.pngGay
>>12374233Is that the same daughter that was visibly not enjoying I-don't-remember-which event in a photograph during the Apollo era? Would be pretty if she were.
>>12374233why the FUCK can't you do both?
>>12374233>Spaceflight should only focus on the planetProve it.
>>12372999>it's 2022, the ESA has been abandonedoh, come onEurope is pretty pathetic, but we're not THAT bad
>>12374233I love Nazis
>>12374245>Europe is pretty pathetic, but we're not THAT badYou’ll probably shape up once it becomes a caliphate and all the soulless atheists get killed.
>>12374162Democrats doesn't care abou bigt white boys playing with their space toys, when Tyrese can't find a job and have six children to feed. And Biden knows damn well he got sent into the office to feed Tyrese and his children, not to land Karen on the Moon. In comparison, Chinese government doesn't care if millions are starving. When Chairman Xi say there will be a moon base, there will be one.
>>12374245Behold, the delusional Europoor in it's natural environment.
>>12374245That anon does have a point. ESA may be lame, but it's the EU's SLS. They're not going to abandon it.
>>12374252Then why not feed Tyrone and put Karen on the moon? Spaceflight is getting cheaper thanks to private spaceflight, and the problems with social programs clearly aren't due to funding.
>>12374238I actually just downloaded it a few minutes ago just because it's hilarious to see how upset you're getting by all this. Notice how it isn't a real 4chan filename.
>>12374261Boing can't into space, Artemis doesn't have a lander yet, and using Starship as a lander is still bigger sci-fi, than having a working SLS.
>>12374298You're forgetting about Dynetics' lander
>>12374254>fuck urf>fuck boinggets me every time
>>12374298>using Starship as a lander is still bigger sci-fi, than having a working SLSHow so?
>>12371786What's so hard for you people to understand about youth public outreach?
>>12374239If she’s the oldest daughter, yeah. It’s some pic from a statue desiccation in Huntsville iirc.
>>12374229These new onions jack pics are trying to hard.
>>12374179i disagree, i think there would be some agreement on rules of engagement but i don't think war is going to magically disappear>>12374209you used a basedjack you're one to talk