On the planet Skik IV, once known as Hery'Atarch, a lone yellow figure patrols the rooftops of a low income Hazaari slum. Dodging the industrial humidifiers straddling the buildings on this dry arid planet; he seeks only trouble in this part of town. Like all the Hazaar-Vassal-State worlds- poverty leads to desperation and greed.The people below on the streets know him as the Yellow Fellow, a Masked Crusader, defending the Hazaar from the most opportunistic among their own kind. Making a name for himself among the criminal circuits in the city below. Though this largely than life figure has a weakspot; a secret identity and a family all his own!Just below, he hears the signs of a “involuntary redistribution of wealth”, and decides to step in...
”You can have whatever I'm carrying. Better then being forced to pay for that thing...”“Stop right there!””Wha- What the hell?!”“No need to abuse this poor blue fellow. I'm sure he can offer even you a job, if you need money that badly.””Shut the hell up- hey, aren't you that vigilante?!””I've never seen a Yellow Hazaar before...!””Shut up and hand over the gold- before you get a poke!”“I'm not going to let that happen.””Hey buddy, leave it. Let's not turn this rape into a murder.”“The only thing you're going to be poking is your mattress in prison, criminal.”The red-man advances. It's time to put a stop to this- but what method should you use to put a stop to this villainy?>Professional Hand-To-Hand Combat Techniques>Your Signature Sprayer>Crowd-Control Gadget
>>5605308>Crowd-Control GadgetGo go gadget cock lopper offerGood to see you back Bananas
>>5605308>Your Signature SprayerWelcome back!
>>5605308>Professional Hand-To-Hand Combat TechniquesWe're back monkebros
>>5605318+1 for cock lopper gadget.
>>5605308>Crowd-Control Gadget
>>5605308>>Crowd-Control Gadget
>>5605308>Professional Hand-To-Hand Combat Techniques
I'm glad Sunshine didn't become a Hazaar-hater like Bluey OR an amoral pragmatist like so many others in yhis universe.
>>5605397Is that actually sunshine? Seems like a weird choice given sunshine was some random ass normal guy and had nothing close to the training or profession to be a vigilante tech guy.
>>5605308>Crowd-Control GadgetGood to have you back! I like that all the filthy Hazaar are forced to wear clothing
>>5605308Welcome back>go go gadget cock lopper. For the Anons, positive reinforcement, and the power of imagination.
>>5605401its sunshine. why would he feature a yellow hazzar without any context? and i do like what he developed into.
>>5605308>Crowd-Control Gadgetglad it's back
>>5605308>go go gadget cock lopper. For the Anons, positive reinforcement, and the power of imagination.Welcome back, nona.
>>5605308>Professional Hand-To-Hand Combat TechniquesWe're back mosquitobrosSo glad we can go one update without some autist questioning things.
>>5605308>>Your Signature Sprayer
>>5605308>>Crowd-Control GadgetCan't believe it. New Blue Monke thread
You decide to stop these miscreants with a well-placed gadget. Reaching into your utility belt, you take out a small mechanical device you created yourself. You press the button and toss it.”Arrgh!”The device pops open and releases a loud electronic screech and wave of disruption. The Red-Hazaar aggressor puts up his hands in defense as he is stunned. This specific frequency is very debilitating to Hazaar with a high internal pressure from this inchor; such as one in the midst of a violent act or attempting to breed...”Wow, I didn't think anyone would actually... come and help. Thanks!”“Run, you fool!”Now, with the victim saved, its time to apprehend these two thugs and turn them in the local HVS Enforcement. But right before you can move in to arrest them- one yells out.”B-Brutus!”Then, a large bodied Green Hazaar steps out from the nearest alcove- the muscle to these Red-Hazaar “brains”. While Yellow Hazaar like yourself aren't exactly the strongest around, you feel like you might be a match for a Red-Hazaar on a good day; but Green Hazaar are the biggest, strongest, and toughest of all Hazaar crossbreeds. They're also dumb as hell and very loyal. You can't get into a fight with this guy! Time to use your secret weapon.You pull up your wrist cannons and give the big lug a spray down with a yellow fluid that rapidly expands into a sticky foam that cements itself, sticking him to the ground. These wrist cannons and their ammunition was designed by you; a multi-use type of organic particulate that reacts strongly with atmospheric gasses. It's water-soluble, which means it can be easily cleaned up, but on this dry planet it is very unlikely to ever be disabled from rain or humidity unintentionally. The perfect nonlethal weapon to round out your crime-fighting arsenal. And it can be used for multiple uses!You spray a “bridge” of the yellow spray up the wall, using the thin lip that grows from the foam as a platform. No way these guys are coordinated enough to follow you- and the big guy is stuck to the ground. You spray a small jet of water behind you as you flee- melting the platform away to a yellow sludge. Just in case.You didn't turn the criminals today- but you did help somebody in need. Perhaps that is enough.
Of course, your action-packed life of justice and fighting crime is only one half of who you really are. Your real name is H/S Hybrid Crossbreed Number 2 – though your friends call you Sunshine.Forced to flee your homeworld of Xin from a genocidal maniac, you and your Son left for greener pastures in the HVS- the Hybrid Vassal States, the home for the capitalists and exile cast-offs of the “almighty” Hegemony. The toilet of the Stars. Yellow Hazaar like you are too rare to be anything but conspicuous, so dress as a Blue Hazaar to hide your identity. Blue Hazaar are rarely seen on the streets as regular workers- and have no issue fitting into any social circle and the places of higher money and finance- giving you the perfect cover.Your only friend and confidant on this planet, and the only one who knows your secret, is your Son. You named him Starfire Shine. An unusual name for a Hazaar, as none have family names, but neither did you. You had no family name, but you are his father, and therefore he should inherit your name between his two parents. The young Red-Hazaar is a business entrepreneur owning a nude-friendly lounge and shoppe; The Pin. You now live a double life. Working for your Son to fund your gadgets and superhero antics in the day, and making a real difference fighting injustice as The Yellow Fellow!
You are now Bantam Falathane, the Supreme Ruler of the Hegemony. Chosen above your rivals and equals by your predecessor, the notorious Wrix Val. He was the first ever blonde Supreme Ruler, and was the first in a thousand years to be Unspeakable. You know he chose you for your strength and martial skill; and you will live up to that image. That is also why you have chosen the color of your Imperial Robe- Dark Blue for Power.https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2022/5476181/Of course, the moment the Imperial Medallion slipped around your neck, you had been given ultimate power over the Hegemony. The despotic and enlightened position above all overs; you are Supreme! But even so, tradition and protocol indicate that your true official coronation as the Supreme Ruler will take place on the first day of the Jaxt-year on your home planet- on the Day of Obedience. While largely ceremonial, this holiday will generate billions upon billions of DanboMarks worth of revenue; as everyone except for you works for free that day. But more importantly; a mass broadcast of your coronation from your throne will beam to every single planet, colony, and space-ship and habitat in the whole of the empire.With the incredible power and charisma of the office of Supreme, you can very greatly shift public perception and work; even those things unconscious or not even ordered. By simply choosing your words carefully, you can instigate certain thoughts or avenues to be opened up in the hearts of all Jaxtians who look to you as the God-King of this empire- which will lead to tangible results.What should you speak on?>Colonial Manifest (Population growth)>New Age of Discovery (Scientific advancement)>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)>Looming Alien Threat (Minor military boost)
>>5605827>>New Age of Discovery (Minor military boost)Can we make a vow? If yes,"I vow our science will progress enough for the looming alien threat"
>>5605827>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)We've let this wane too long, as much as military seems good to boost with the Cyte coming, a prolonged battle requires a strong will and something worth fighting for.
>>5605827>New Age of Discovery (Scientific advancement)
>>5605827>>Colonial Manifest (Population growth)
>>5605834No, that is an invalid vow. You can make a vow whenever you wish but vows have to be both challenging and with a set target. "Progress science enough for the looming alien threat" is too vague.
>>5605827>Looming Alien Threat (Minor military boost)We already *had* an age of discoveryWe need to defeat our enemies
>>5605822>yuan'tul's "ultra special genius son" just turned into some nude shop ownercommon tubeface L
>>5605827>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)
>>5605883His ida at he'd be a super-genius ultra-elite hinged on him combining virtues of Yellow and Blue Hazaar. He came out a regualr old (business savvy, smart enough, but empathically-damaged) Red.
>>5605911Yeah, but if he was an actual "genius" he would have been running more than some pervert nude shop.Well, as usual, the Red Hazaar manage to be the worst of an already bad species. We really need to finish the job, or else all those actually good aliens we killed will have been for nothing.
>>5605917>more thread-derailing xenocide autism
>>5605934We were already forced to genocide the cool species like the Vetuckers or the Fish People despite no one wanting. Why do the tubeheads get to live while the good ones are dead? Fuck that. We kill all the cool species and keep the bad ones? That's gay.
>>5605934Do not engage anon, were 3 posts in, weve gone through one vote
>>5605973Tell me how i'm wrong thoughWhy do the good races get killed, but the bad ones get to live. What's next? Are we going to let the worms live too? And then genocide the migrators?
>>5605827>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)We need to rally the people and bring them with us. A big stick is always needed, but you need more then just a big stick to truly lead.
>>5605975Who knows what wrix was thinking, good thing it happened years ago and we are better monkeys and wont make that mistake, now lets stop talking about it because it was before we were in charge and we cant change the past only can we seethe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>5605827 >New Age of Discovery (Scientific advancement)
>>5605992> we cant change the past only can we seetheWe can, however, make it just and erase the people who actually deserved to be genocided. I mean, does that seem fair to you? The people who deserve to be wiped out geting away? If we can't bring back the vetuckers, then we need to clean the slate with the hazaar and make sure that the people who deserve it get whats coming to them.
>>5605999See? Trips, the universe knows i'm right.
>>5605999>we can't bring back the vetuckersActually, we theoretically could. We have their genetic database downloaded and stored, if we chose to we could resurrect the species from extinction. I'd like to do that sometime myself, but I also want it to make sense within the story. No 'just for the heck of it' resurection, but if our eventual colonies at the galactic fringe find us a world with conditions that is too harsh/uniquely lethal for Jaxtians, but a more robust species might be able to manage there...
>>5606009That would be good, yes, but it would suck that they wouldn't even have any of their previous culture. Even during Jaxtian control, they basically syncretized their beliefs with Hegemony culture.It was cool, they were basically slightly dimmer honorary jaxtians. If the cowbros and cowfus don't get to live, then by akule we must eradicate the piratical bugmen known as h*zaar
>>5605827>Colonial Manifest (Population growth)We have a huge amount of free real estate, and more coming with the ecumenopolis under construction. It is time to expand like gas and fill all available space.
Cultural growth seems cool and all, but seeing as how it's titled "Rewards of Obedience" won't it just be more artificial "just obey" 'culture' as opposed to cool pre-hegemony remnants like knife fighting?
>>5605873So, would 'Develop and Launch Battleships within the reign' be a valid vow? Or 'Expand our borders to the Galactic rim'?
>>5605827>>Colonial Manifest (Population growth)More people means more scientists, more soldiers, more artists, more everything.
>>5606062
>>5606351Silence, buglover
>>5605827>>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)
>>5605827Well, no one seems to vote for military boost...So i'm changing >>5605879 (me) to>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)But it better not be gay artificial culture, i want more kino like knife fights and honor stuff.
>>5606426Don't forget supreme ruler ziplining
>>5606453And environmentalism. I miss that.
>>5605397Just wait >>5605827>Colonial Manifest (Population growth)or>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)We need population growth, but I don’t want another ‘cultural schism’ again- blowing up Jax would’ve resulted in less salt.Like the Sunshine bit, will be interested to see how that progresses.If you want a Vow, vow to utterly destroy a peer Hegemonic rival in our lifetime.
>>5606462There was also the part where they gave a fuck about morals and maintaining the jaxtian form. Like how we didn't use cybernetics or turn everyone into indigos.The current hegemony is so damn soulless.
>>5606470Wrex's kid will fix it, and now we have a machine to preserve the form.
>>5606477We can't use the life machine that muchI'd just prefer we go back to the more cultural hegemony where they refused to turn jaxt into an metropolitan hellhole and had trouble with early colonization solely because they wanted their citizens to experience jaxtian soil and natureInstead now everyone lives in a pod and we're building an ecumenopolis so even more people live in pods without ever seeing nature or the sun.
>>5606481Maybe BQM will give us a vote on how to shape the ecumenopolis, to make it more palatable and pleasant. It's too early in the thread for you to be complaining this much. Please stop.
>>5605883>pic related>>5605992>we are better monkeys and wont make that mistake>pic related>>5605917Ever think that he is a genius, he just never had a formal education because the HVS is just that shitty? :V>>5606009>>5606062I’m shocked you guys missed Bananas’ Waldo.>with conditions that is too harsh/uniquely lethal for Jaxtians, but a more robust species might be able to manage there...Huzzarpilled- pulling the ol’ Agori logic out. God, I loved that Monke.Wouldn’t solve the cultural annihilation, or exploring the Swalli culture and story arc. Best move on- it’s need a retcon to really untarnish the legacy.>>5606107Ain’t playing Wrix 2: Unspeakable Boogaloo again. Better to obey than create another schism.>>5606426>>5606453>>5606462I loved those days too, but they are gone bros- best to forget and move on.
>>5606502>he just never had a formal education because the HVS is just that shitty?And the lack of a formal education made him run a nude shop instead of literally anything else? I mean, the early Red Hazaar managed to become pirates, and they didn't get formal education either.
>>5606477>Wrex's kid will fix it
>>5606502> Better to obey than create another schism.No it won't, because 'everyone will obey' was the one supposed 'reward' we got out of that entire messThe early Hegemony still made people obey, but they also had an naturalist sovl. We lost it when we started expanding as an empire, but we can regain it. And who better to return to those days than the family who is literally allowed by law to not get alien genes because of how traditionalist they are?
>>5606470I believe that was always the intention bro.>>5606481>being this Monkepilled>>5606485It’s the outgrowth of unresolved feelings from the previous threads, it’ll whittle down with time.>>5606504I think the nude franchise in the Huzzared States actually makes a lot of business sense and profit. It ain’t as glamorous as either of Starfire’s parent’s potential positions, but this is the HVS and they are refugees.>>5606508>No it won't, because 'everyone will obey' was the one supposed 'reward' we got out of that entire messYes, and we need to reinforce Obedience so we don’t pull a John Wrix on the Hegemony again by on the mask. The mask was the consequence, not obedience.>we can regain itThose days are dead and gone, friend. They died long ago- long before Yuan'tul wrote his books. Best just to move on.
>>5606523>It ain’t as glamorous as either of Starfire’s parent’s potential positions, but this is the HVS and they are refugees.Yeah, and that's why i'm saying it's an L, he didn't become like, a fuckin' pirate or nothing, just a business owner. It's not bad, but it's funny because he was supposed to be an perfect new age elite.>Yes, and we need to reinforce Obedience so we don’t pull a John Wrix on the Hegemony again by on the mask. We have literally been told that because of the mask we will not have to deal with anyone not obeying anything for a long time.>Those days are dead and gone, friend. Only because people don't vote for it.
>>5606523>it’ll whittle down with time.Ahahahaha. The salt has only began flowing.>>5606529>Only because people don't vote for it.And they will continue not voting for it. Muh efficiency won and will only continue winning.
>>5606542>Muh efficiency won and will only continue winning.So then..don't vote for efficiencyIt's literally there. Culture. Just vote for culture.
>>5606543A culture of obedience doesn't really sound appealing
>>5606545Yes, but that's not really a culture, we already have all the whole 'obedience' stuffWhich is why i was hoping that culture would get us to be more like the old hegemony. We literally have a supreme from the traditionalist family. Literally just vote to do it. We can just have the culture be a return to the hegemony in the days of Vantix.I mean, it's a quest. Choosing is the point.
>>5605827>>5606076Switch to>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)>>5606557It is literally called Rewards of Obedience. It does not sound like it'll do what you're hoping it to do. I don't think there's a way to get the old hegemony back or have the quest be as fun as it used to be without a retcon and Bananas already rejected a retcon when it made sense. But what the hell, let's give it a shot. Maybe this one won't be a disappointment?>I mean, it's a quest. Choosing is the point.No one chose to kill the Vetuckers
>>5606574>No one chose to kill the VetuckersCorrect, but this time it's an actual vote.
I'm actually happy v***ckers got clapped. Cows are gross.
>>5606557Ah, but will it be days of Vantix, or from before?>>5606574We could do two pledges with a vow. Destruction of a peer rival should be enough to consider it hard. Or freeing the Space-Whales, somehow.I do want a thiccer Hegemony- exploring beyond the Vale would be quite kino desu.
>>5606611Tubeface detected, opinion ignored
>>5606620Wrong. I hate all x*nos equally and wish mosquitodicks would get gassed.
>>5606661They SHOULD be, but i will not tolerate that kind of talk about the cowbros. 'ate tube faces'ate wrix 'ate worms (not racist just don't like'em)'luv me cows 'luv me knife fighting'luv me danbosSimple as.
>>5606611>I'm actually happy v***ckers got clappedAin’t the only one hehehehehe….Que obligatory NTR Eoba shitpost pic.
>>5606107>>5606508Since people are getting confused on this; the "Rewards of Obedience" is the name of the speech, in which lessening government regulations on speech/art/censorship/reeducation is the "reward" for everyone being more "obedient" in the past generation, thus leading to more cultural growth. It is not making the culture more obedient.
>>5606705The clarification is appreciated.I change my vote from >>5605841 (on phone at work) to>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)
>>5606705Ah- thank you for clarifying Bananas, I appreciate that.>>5605827Changing >>5606465 vote to>Colonial Manifest (Population growth)or>New Age of Discovery (Scientific advancement)I will support a vow to eliminate a peer rival or freeing the Space-Whales from Worm infestation.
>>5606705Good Then we can finally retvrn to the naturalist hegemony of vantix, where jaxtians got buff and learned to do cool stuff instead of jerking it to cyber waifus in a pod
>>5606705Thank you QM.
>>5606716Doubt that- fighting a war will reverse the reward as a simple necessity. It’s better if we focus on practical pursuits before the war, then reward the Hegemony later by opening up the culture. Less inefficient, methinks- we didn’t choose Warbro over Culturebro just to liberalize the culture and not fight a war.
>>5606731Why can't we do both? Returning to the old hegemonic culture doesn't exactly stop the war from happening. We're still doing stuff. We can just do it in a less gay way.
>>5606731I agree with >>5606744 for once. We have Wrix' kid around to guide this cultural revolution while we focus our big war brain on matters of spycraft and warfare. Better yet: we can synchronize this, guiding our culture to a soulful but soldierly ideal.
>>5605822>Rewards of Obedience (Cultural)Monke quest! Hurrah!…I do miss the ‘merely’ incredibly authoritarian Hegemony, compared to the blood drenched space empire we have today.
>>5606744War doesn’t bring about a lessening government regulations on speech/art/censorship/reeducation, it creates more restrictions to keep the war economy functioning. It’s not that I oppose it- I just don’t see it as realistic if we’re going to undertake a war with Warbro- Rewards of Obedience would’ve been better coming from Wrix’s son, as well as some neat fucking art. I mean, him being Wrix’s son allows him the unique position to criticize him with his art- sculptures and art of those races lost in to purge, in happier times. Maybe a sense of unease too- I remember this one L5R Quest where a Crab warrior was memed about creating beautiful works of art- with a small hint in the background of a hidden threat, or a danger lurking around the corner. A pair a small beady eyes hidden in the shadows of a bush/forest, a smudge of a large troll coming up the path behind the hill in the far background. Would be neat.
>>5606817The difference isn't the blood, it's the fact that there isn't any real benefit to the slaughter. We keep expanding , but does it benefit people? No, in fact their quality of life has decreased. Like, back in thread one we literally had an issue of not having enough space for living because we didn't want to turn jaxt into an concrete paved hellhole planet city. We just became too practical and "efficient", no culture and honor to back all the imperialism. We need to go back to the times when we would encourage people to get buff instead of being comer losers and bugmen who do nothing but work and praise the supreme.
>>5606816>cultural revolutionhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk
>>5606846Again, we can do both? We don't exactly need propaganda. Everyone obeys us already. If anything, this is better, because Wrix's son can dedicate his full time to the culture, whereas an supreme has to deal with all other manners of politics. Not to mention that due to his family, Bantam will probably agree to a return to traditionalism.The supreme can lead the war effort while wrix's son can help the culture. Hardly seems impossible. We always assign leftover candidates to other stuff.
>>5606858This is more like the exact oppositeWe already went through the part where we erase our entire culture and replace it with government worship. This is the part where we do something other than that.
I don't want to be a huge downer or clamp discussion people are interested in but I literally have NO idea where you guys are getting this headcanon stuff from.Did you miss the part where part of Wrix's manifesto for committing the genocides was to give more fertile farmland and habitable planetary space to Jaxtians instead of aliens? Or the OOC reveals about Thread #7 where going down the Cijan-Mask path would destroy the Jaxtian culture, where as the path you took didn't (but destroyed all diversity instead)?You only saw ONE guy living in the pod, and that was only to juxtapose the relative poverty of a loser Jaxtian living alone on a space station as opposed to how exciting even that living condition was to a second-class Hazaari citizen. Most Jaxtians do not live like that, most are physically active, knife fighting is still alive and well. I don't think this has been implied to be anything but the case anywhere, so I'm confused how people came to these extreme conclusions as though something has significantly changed between threads.
>>5606848Actually, I believe it’s canon that Wrix improved Monke quality of life through the purges- it the Lebensraum meme.>>5606859>>5606863Because fighting a war and cultural liberalization are two different things at counter odds with one another- you can’t fight a war by having a ‘cultural revolution’, that’s just silly- the moment the war starts the culture becomes hijacked by the state to satisfy war needs. You can have one, or the other- not both at the same time.
>>5606873>You only saw ONE guy living in the pod,Literally the only people we've seen NOT living in a pod are the rich
>>5606873I barely remember since its been so long, can you make a document about what we are trying to do even? The only thing im certain about is xeno bad, must enslave or purge. And that time on the orbital station which ended badly.
>>5606873No offense Bananas- but we never got to explore the life of a regular Jaxian in this era. I assume most of the playerbase thought that the coomer loser in extreme poverty WAS the norm, for lack of a Jaxian juxtaposition to the contrary.
>>5606879Again, that's not really true. You're just going off of stuff like world war two. Throughout history cultural advancements have absolutely accompanied war. Look at the Renaissance.
>>5606885THE CIRRUS SHALL RISE AGAIN!>>5606888The Renaissance didn’t have to deal with an industrial war- and this will be two space empires fighting a war of extinction, like the Nazi and Solviets fought in WWII.
>>5606897Bro have you literally read ANYTHING about the Renaissance??? The Thirty Years War was literally one of the biggest wars in the history of mankind, and it was ONE.It absolutely is possible.
>>5606886Yeah, the only people we really got to see were the rich and influential ones. The rest was just propaganda and stuff about eating low quality food and living in pods.
>>5606907That can be described more as a Catholic civil war than anything else- sorta like the Ukraine war being a civil-war of the former Solviet bloc.>>5606913Ye- only thing I remember recently that went into any depth was Wrix being a normal Jaxian originally- a man of the people.
>>5606918Lmao no it wasn'tWrix was in that noble class about dueling, wasn't he? Normal poor people don't get to train with rich wannabe supreme candidates.
>>5606873The emphasis on brutal efficiency showcased in the last two thread and the swirl of salt which resulted resulted in a lot of unreliable memories of how bad things got for certain very active and critical anons. That said, a little peek at day-to-day's improvements and thriving Jaxtian culture in their new living space could do a lot to dispelled these persistent false notions in those anons AND make the genocide feel more positive (or at least like it led to some positive things for some people).
>>5606925They do, sometimes, if their gene score is high enough. Qet was born a common Jaxtian. Everyone THOUGHT that was the only heritage of Talacent, as well, if I recall.. Nobody knew Val was his dad.
>>5606925That was legit Wrix’s storyline- being of normal Blondie Monke stock, he rose to the highest of positions through sheer grit and determination, and established his line as one of aristocratic noble families. Wrix was ultimately a Rags to Riches type of guy- which would’ve been interesting playing as a poor male!Kima.
>>5606937That's because when they get high genes they usually get elevated to a good position, though. His father was by no means a general random worker of the masses, either.
>>5606948This would have meaning if he wasn't literally just handed power. He didn't earn any of it, Kima just randomly dropped it in his lap. It's like if you got made into the president of the USA because you were there when JFK was assassinated.
>>5606931It’s also been years at this point- memories fade, you know?
>>5606954While I do get being miffed at Kima giving some rando supreme power, Wrix was ultimately groomed as a Supreme Candidate- and Wrix being from a normal blonde family meant that he had none of the advantages that the other candidates had. He became a Supreme Candidate on his own merits- and that does say something about his drive and work ethic, even if he got Supremacy though a handout.
>>5606971He wasn't really an "real" candidateHe was one of those half time candidates. According to the teacher, families send people to be "candidates" even when the supreme ruler is healthy and young. I mean, he's not one of the great families, but he's by no means rags to riches. This is more like uh...middle class to upper middle class, and then getting a trillion dollars dropped on your lap because you were in the right place at the right time.
>>5606982That’s still impressive, given that’s he was a normal blonde competing against noble families known for producing Supremes.
>>5607024It would have if he was actually competing. Again, he wasn't actually a candidate, he was one of the halftimers who were sent to train because of their families wanting to have a chance in case the supreme suddenly died. Its an accomplishment and all, but again, still not a rags to riches. And he is STILL not the common jaxtians. And we didn't get to see how he lived until he became the supreme.
>>5607044Wrix legit told us his backstory and how he lived before Kima gave him the job- that this point I’m willing to agree to disagree.
>>5607055He told us about the part where he got sent to training camp, not about the economical and cultural conditions of his class.
>>5607059Either way I'm going to stop now because i don't want the thread to end quickly because of arguments filling up the whole thing
>>5606481Amen, monke brother.
>>5606873Thank you for this clarification. The canon has grown impressively large and sometimes things like the pod situation get muddled.
>>5605827>The Glory of our Eternal Empire
>>5607231It may be a little late in the vote-and-debate process for a write-in to take hold.
>>5607231>>5607268I’m just confused as to the benefit we’d get from it.
>>5606886This is completely wrong, during the Kima storyline we explored the life of a generic Enforcer, basically a cop, and saw how his life was.
>>5607594Enforcers are respected elite government security, not low level cops.
>>5607596They are middle class law enforcement
>>5607597Hardly. We've seen them do stuff like guard the Supreme himself.
>>5607668>>5607597>>5607596>>5607594I think "Enforcer" may be a term like "Officer", which can be applied to a whole host of military/police personnel of various importance and social status.At any rate, we have the QM's explicit statement as to how most Jaxtians live now, to correct our misapprehensions.
>>5607688Sure would be good if we actually got to see it, though. That guy living in a pod was the only non-rich person we saw, not to mention stuff like the AI manipulating Radjo.
The nice thing about being a QM for such a big quest is I don't even have to tally the votes myself lol
hint taken.By my count it's:Discovery - 4Obedience - 9.5Colonial - 3.5Alien - 0 (it received 1 vote but this was switched to obedience).Glory - 1
>>5607929>all the possibilities overshadowed by a limited-time culture memeNever change playerbase, never change.
>>5605999There is no such thing as "people who deserve to be genocided." People should be judged on their character , not who they were born as.
>>5606873>second-class Hazaari citizenExplicit word of God confirmation the Hazaar were actually oppressed. I remember a 100+ back on forth in a thread where someone was arguing that the Hegemony wasn't racist.
>>5607929I vote for Rewards for Obedience
>>5608096Red Hazaar are literally, biologically incapable of empathy.
>>5608102they literally allowed these 'second class citizens' to become high-tier officers of the state given enough gene scores.
>>5608102Those anons will still argue about it because they don't think those conditions are bad enough to count as oppression since they got to have space on a planet and some of the Blaazaar became State Philosophers and such. Or it doesn't matter, because it's better than the Hazaar deserved. There's no point arguing it. Next time someone insults you or criticizes a vote on those grounds, just link them back to >>5606873 and disengage.
>>5608118>they don't think those conditions are bad enough to count as oppression since they got to have space on a planet and some of the Blaazaar became State Philosophers and such. Or it doesn't matter, because it's better than the Hazaar deserved. Both are true and correct.
>>5608114They apparently don't have mirror neurons, that's not necessarily the same as not having empathy (see: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3898692/)And even if they don't have empathy because of that, that's a mental impairment, not a moral failing.
>>5608116That's like saying because Sidney Poitier was a Hollywood star means the USA isn't anti-Black.
>>5608141No, they literally do not have empathy. That's what it's said. They don't have the ability to really care about the consequences of others.>And even if they don't have empathy because of that, that's a mental impairment, not a moral failing.It's not a mental impairment when the whole race has it. If a race is completely composed of sociopaths, then they're still a race of sociopaths no matter which way you call it.>>5608143Yeah, because being a hollywood star is totally equal between getting to pick between being state philosopher (literally the only people allowed to criticize the government without getting skinned alive) or a high tier biologist/physicist.
>>5608150Ok, it's like saying because Black politicians exist that the USA isn't Black.Specific individuals having successful positions doesn't mean there demographic group as a whole isn't under systematic oppression especially when multiple posts and OP statements say the Hegemony is explicitly run on a race, species and gender based caste system
>>5608155The Hegemony had a caste system for everyone, the Hazaar were treated way better than what they would be in an actual xenophobic regime. Calling them "second class citizens" is wrong because there are no citizens in the hegemony whatsoever, there's no 'citizenry' if no one has any rights.Literally the only person who could be called a citizen is the supreme, because the supreme is the only one with rights. If the supreme decides he's going to kill the first jaxtian that sneezes in front of him, he can do it, and no one can stop him.
>>5608141Theoretically, couldn't we create an 'empathy virus' that will alter infected Haazar genetic code into one that generates the Neurons that we deem they are missing?
>>5608169Their empathy was purposefully removed by the life machine back when they were able to do it for their entire race, so very unlikely.
>>5608102Not to burst your bubble bro, but Wrix legit genocided the other species awhile ago. If that wasn’t considered explicit confirmation, you clearly have some sort of malfunction bro.>>5608118Considering the whole Lebensraum logic, the Xenos had better living conditions then a bunch of Monkes in Hegemony space, and you gotta assume the Huzzar are treated better in the HVS. I personally see the point as mute- they’re all dead anyway, so what is even the point of debating this shit beyond your fucking ego? Just move on- let the past die.>>5608141I mean, it’s both? They did it to themselves, as a species- they lobotomized themselves of empathy, which is as funny as it is a problem.>>5608143I find it hilarious with all the pro-Black propaganda and racial quotas set up that you still think the US is anti-Black.>>5608155Ohhh, you’re one of those nutters huh?
>>5608174I hate the hazaar a lot, but i'd rather not start real life poltical discussion mmkay
>>5608169Don’t think it works like that.>>5608176Didn’t start it, but I’ll try to refrain from further comment- if the other guy was gonna bring in his RL politics into the debate, it opens the door for everyone to comment on it.
>2 posts in>this much salt has flowedGoing to be a fruitful thread
>>5608191The funniest shit is that they haven’t even noticed Waldo
>>5608191What did you expect? The source of all the salt is still there. Why would it ever stop?
>>5608155>"Isn't *Anti-Black"Is what that line meant to say
>>5608160You gonna tell that to the creater of the setting?>>5606873>You only saw ONE guy living in the pod, and that was only to juxtapose the relative poverty of a loser Jaxtian living alone on a space station as opposed to how exciting even that living condition was to a second-class Hazaari citizen.
>>5608245Yes, because i'm going off what has been shown.Now can you stop filling up the thread with inane argueing? I don't want it to end before we've even hit 10 posts and the hazaar are all dead.
>>5608195
>>5608254What was shown is Jataxians being given several preferences over Hazaar by the government, including better living conditions (the "looser coomer" Monke the fandom consistently decries was seen as a step UP compared to what the Hazaar got) an education system that explicitly preaches Jataxian supremacy, more limits on their movement than the Jataxians (only allowed on one Planet and and a prison asteroid), and has their sexuality restricted far beyond Jataxians (having genital locks)The Hegemony being brutal and oppressive to everyone doesn't mean the text doesn't clearly show how that opression isn't evenly distributed.
What *is* a nude-friendly shop and lounge? Is the idea it's a clothing optional night club?>>5605822
Slightly more than one out of every three posts in this thread is Ju/BVh6f or cwwfB5en.
>>5608257Ah, I’m proud you found him!>>5608261I’d argue that it’s less an option and more of a selling point.
>>5608259>Monke the fandom consistently decries was seen as a step UP compared to what the Hazaar gotBecause a pod is so much better than....another pod.> an education system that explicitly preaches Jataxian supremacyThe Hazaar literally nearly self-destructed, and all the other shades only exist because of them. >only allowed on one Planet and and a prison asteroidThat's just not true at all, otherwise the whole 'lebensraun' thing wouldn't make sense. They had majority in one planet. > and has their sexuality restricted far beyond JataxiansNewfag detected, hazaar literally *have* to have genital locks because they quite literally cannot control their spikes. Otherwise, they'd just start spiking random people on the streets. That's literally fact - the red hazaar had to 'prepare' their guards for several months just so they wouldn't spike their own crew.
>>5608266CW: Mentions of RapeThe hazaar literally *have* to have genital locks because they quite literally cannot control their spikesThat's not accurate . Warrior caste Hazaar are known to struggle with sexual impulses more but the idea that Hazaar are all walking rape machines that have to be locked up is Monke stereotypes.As we saw in the first post of this thread, yes Hazaar are capable of rape, the same as any group, but the entire species isn't going to rape unless physically kept from doing so.The HVS doesn't lock up Hazaar and every single Hazaar is going around raping people.Bluey didn't sexually assault anyone until *after* he became a Monke.
>>5608287>CW: Mentions of RapeListen, I'm a leftoid too, but this is full-on self-parody. We're on 4chan.
>>5608287>That's not accurate . Warrior caste Hazaar are known to struggle with sexual impulses more but the idea that Hazaar are all walking rape machines that have to be locked up is Monke stereotypes.lmao, 'struggle with sexual impulses'They literally, instinctively, spike people as a self-defense to the point they are literally their warrior caste. Trying to act like they're good bois who dindu nuffin is beyond retarded and just another example of the stupid hazaar apologism that people seem to have solely because they're 'le oppressed'>Bluey didn't sexually assault anyone until *after* he became a Monke.That was pretty much unrelated, bluey just hated hazaar.
>>5608262No defense for my post number- I’m just chatty- but I do think dynamic IP is at play =P>>5608287>The HVS doesn't lock up Hazaar and every single Hazaar is going around raping people.>mass hazzar rape confirmedOther than memeing your typo/autocorrect, Bluey was a product of rape, and is arguably the most self-hating Hazzar since Yuan. Not a good example methinks.
>>5608295You stated that every Hazaar inherently will assault people unless locked up. The text directly contradicts you because we have multiple examples, including an entire civilization, full of Hazaar not doing that. The actual quest proves you wrong.
>>5608306>including an entire civilization, full of Hazaar not doing thatYou mean the civilization where warriors have to be trained for weeks, months just to NOT rape everyone in the crew? Because they literally instinctively rape everyone they don't extensively know?I mean holy fuck, the sheer levels of cope here are astonishing. The hazaar apologism has become completely retarded.
>>5608264Indeed! The Vetuckers yet live, in the HVS. If we resurrect their genome, we have someone who can teach them some variation of their traditions. May this ray of light invigorate us to discuss something than Hazaar.
>>5608169Perhaps, some sort of dna altering injection... but how do we make them all take it?
>>5608257YAY! Some of them made it!
Not to (just) increase my post number further, but maybe as a Hazzar conversation pallet cleanser, couple thoughts.If the Bluzzar and the Grezzar kept spiking their non-Huzzar species, would that result in greater genetic characteristics of the parent species in subsequent hybrids?Also, what kind of hellish evolutionary pressure evolved the Hazzar to not only be as genetically compatible with, well, everything while also being extremely long lived? Interesting thought experiment.>>5608312Good luck with that- I still feel the Swalli absence keenly, and no one ever mentions them except when saying that their genocide was a good thing.>>5608320Or the Bluzzar could continue breeding with Jaxians, see how that goes. Same with the Grezzar.
>>5608330>Also, what kind of hellish evolutionary pressure evolved the Hazzar to not only be as genetically compatible with, well, everything while also being extremely long lived?I'm pretty sure that's because they were made by the aristocrats (the race of drukhari-tier sadist degenerates) as servants. Red Hazaar are the hazaar that escaped aristocrat space and literally genetically removed their empathy so they could turn into ancapistan.
>>5608311CW: mentions of rapeI'm talking about the entire HVS. Are you trying to tell me the person Sunshine saved ran home just to abuse someone?Or that everyone in the Clinic just pulled their dicks out right after that scene ended?Or the scene we saw of it at the end of the last thread when Kima showed up there was just what, in between rapes?>hazaar literally *have* to have genital locks because they quite literally cannot control their spikes. Otherwise, they'd just start spiking random people on the streets. Is what you claimed. And yet we have an entire planet full of Hazaar where that isn't happening. Where sexual violence shows up as part of a robbery, a crime, and isn't something that every person is doing constantly all the time.Sunshine wasn't locked up. If what you said was true, why didn't they attack the victim themselves? Or the assaulters they gooed up?
>>5608330>If the Bluzzar and the Grezzar kept spiking their non-Huzzar species, would that result in greater genetic characteristics of the parent species in subsequent hybrids?It seems like the horizontally-transferred, parasitized genes of the Jaxtian or Vetiucker (or Swalli) don't transfer. They just make more Reds when they spike each other. That said, while Reds lack empathy, they're capable of enlightened self-interest resulting in de facto group cooperation and social thinking. They can feel outrage for the unborn. They have the concept of a "non-aggression principle". They DID try to condition soldier-morphs into not being rapists prior to meeting the Jaxtians in-person, it's just difficult for that one particular type of Hazaar to control their violent sexual urges. Your other idea, of eliminating reds by breeding Hazaar solely to Jaxtians or other species makes more sense, I think... But I don't believe Reds are incompatible with society.>what kind of hellish evolutionary pressure evolved the Hazzar to not only be as genetically compatible with, well, everything while also being extremely long lived?Maybe just the life machine and the meddling of the Aristocrats/Pink Hazaar?>I still feel the Swalli absence keenlySorry, anon. They left us a lot of corpses and a robust cultural record to work with... But alas, I fear they're MORE incompatible with the way the hegemony operates, since they were "Jaxtians but better" per Bananas, with a fierce independent and individualist streak we could never fully crush. Maybe if we modified them before revival...
>>5608336>I'm talking about the entire HVS. Are you trying to tell me the person Sunshine saved ran home just to abuse someone?He was literally about to get raped. He was being threatened. With rape.>Is what you claimedTHIS IS LITERALLY FUCKING CANONHoly fuck, the sheer level of apologism for the hazaar. Why couldn't we have wiped them all out and finally settled this stupid discussion?
>>5608342Nah. Hazaar are interestingly weird and I'm glad they're alive. Killing them before we learned details about them, or experimented with hybrids, would have been less interesting. I voted to genocide them under Talacent, but in the end I'm glad they persisted. Just stop taking their existence as a personal IRL affront.
>>5608352The only good hazaar was bluey The sheer amount of trouble they've caused is completely retarded. 99% of arguments since the hazaar arrived have been about the hazaar. We could have settled it, at last, and stopped it. But now they're alive and well in the HVS, and back to their ancapistani roots.
>>5608342CW:Mentions of Rape"Warrior types need training to control their urges" is not the same thing as"Every Hazaar is inherently a rapist and if they aren't locked up, they will rape people in the streets"The first is what the quest actually said. The second is the incorrect statement you made.
>>5608353>99% of arguments since the hazaar arrived have been about the HazaarThen stop arguing. it's you doing this now, not the Hazaar. If a vote comes up about whether to exterminate them or whatever, bring it up then. Until such time, just accept that they're here and not going to spontaneously combust, and enjoy the conflict they bring to the narrative which would, after all, be boring as shit without conflict.>>5608336>>5608330>>5608141Don't you think we'd all enjoy the quest more if we id that?
>>5608332Well, what would’ve been their original life expectancy? It seems like long life is an extension of the Huzzar genetics, considering the hybrid lifespan.>>5608339>It seems like the horizontally-transferred, parasitized genes of the Jaxtian or Vetiucker (or Swalli) don't transfer. They just make more Reds when they spike each otherAh, I thought it was just the mix of Jaxian and Swalli genes, if only the Huzzar parts transfer over then cross-hybridization is a mute point.>Your other idea, of eliminating reds by breeding Hazaar solely to Jaxtians or other species makes more sense, I think... But I don't believe Reds are incompatible with society.While I think the Reds are incompatible with ‘advanced’ (ie totalitarian) society, the point wasn’t to breed them out- I’m wondering if Bluzzar/Monke offspring would include more physical Monke characteristics that simply color.>Maybe just the life machine and the meddling of the Aristocrats/Pink Hazaar?Maybe, though the limits of the life machine itself doesn’t support any mass conversion methinks, though I could be wrong on that point.>SwalliI disagree, I think their struggles with collectivization before first contact mean that they are compatible- we just never did anything because we shanghaied ourselves into a weird half-measure relationship and never had the chance to interact with them after that until Wrix came into power. I would’ve loved to explored them and their relationship with the Hegemony in a post-conquest situation.Shame it’ll never happen- I guess it was never meant to be.
>>5608357>Control their urgesNice way of saying "they will rape everyone who they haven't trained for weeks to know" Literally any hazaar can become a warrior, and the ones that don't still basically go around with walking chestburster spikes. Their cages are literally a necessity for them to stay in proximity to jaxtians.
>>5608359I will stop arguing if people stop saying stupid shit
>>5608352Tbh- genociding the Huzzar under Talacent would’ve only delayed their introduction into the narrative, and probably would’ve lead to a more stable- and possibly more pro-Xeno- playerbase. I don’t think anything would’ve been lost- in fact, I do think Bluey’s perspective would’ve been even more fascinating had he been the sole-survivor of his species in the Hegemony.>>5608359>Don't you think we'd all enjoy the quest more if we id that?No, but I’ll try it your way.
>>5608371That won't happen, and you know it. Stop being a bitch about it. People are going to disagree with you, and that's okay. An irrelevant stream of circular arguments unrelated to the current vote, peppered with insults and lamentations about previous votes, does nothing to improve the quest or convince people to vote your way.>>5608376Thank you.
Mandatory burger time.
>>5608368CW:rapeAnd now you're moving the goalposts.If an unlocked Hazaar can't control their urges and will rape constantly in the streets, why isn't every single person in the HVS constantly raping people? We have seen close to a dozen unlocked Hazaar in the HVS and only two of them were shown threatening sexual violence
>>5608382No it's not, you claimed the chastity cages were le bad, and they are not.But whatever, go simp for rapist bugmen. They are all dead in the hegemony.
>>5608382I think there’s a bit of a miscommunication- I could be wrong, but I think the other dude is commenting more on the Reds than the hybrids, in my opinion.
>>5608387Most Reds aren't prone to fits of rape. That's JUST soldiers. Otehrs can be rapey, but are in better control of their faculties and at least a few subscribed to a non-aggression principle in keeping with the ancap leanings.
>>5608408Literally the first thing we saw them to this thread is trying to rape a guy, but okay man. Can you go defend rapists somewhere else now?
You have decided to make your speech on the Rewards of Obedience. After the brutal ideological purges and genocides of your predecessor, the appearance of the Death Mask has hit deep within the Jaxtian spirit and soul. All crime and disobedience, even self-reported “Thoughtcrime”, has been at an all time low. Anti-social behaviors are almost nonexistent in the population. In many ways, the leash has loosened since those years, but the ones within have been too scared to explore the newfound slack from intergenerational trauma.First is the ceremony. The coronation, the anthem, the bowing. It's all quite exciting, but this is the first time you've experienced this from this angle- being pledged to, instead of pledging. One of only a handful of billions upon billions who will ever see the Day of Obedience from this angle is both an honor and a rush. But you're going to have to do this every year for the rest of your life...? You just hope it doesn't get too boring. But you're prepared for all the boredom of rulership. After all, that's what you've trained for. Just like public speaking.”...It is time now, my dear subjects, to enjoy this newfound stability. The Hegemony promises you a meaningful career, which it has delivered. The Hegemony has promised land and resources for its people, which it has delivered. Your Supreme Ruler has given all you could ever need- but there is one thing I cannot order you to do in good conscious- and that is be a people. Not merely a collection of assets, but to create art and culture that is the thriving, living soul of a nation. Go forth and breath. This is my command to you.”Year 41 of the Resurrection EraIn the months following the Day of Obedience, a great number of new artists and athletes begin careers expanding the cultural palette and milieu of the Hegemony. But a more immediate effect is the branching out of existing art and entertainment- kept in lockstep and painted-by-numbers according to bureaucratic suggestion and societal browbeating- very little experimentation and spirit even in state-approved propaganda, simply due to the culture of obedience and fear following the previous regime. This breath of fresh air has lead to many new and interesting growths of development; leading to a general increase in happiness. If there are any other benefits to this decision, they have yet to reveal themselves...
At about the same time as your official coronation, something else was brewing mysteriously in the Hegemony. Your senior-most Starseer, and disgraced Supreme-Candidate of two generations prior had suddenly fallen.The doctors and scientists are exasperated. They could find nothing wrong with him physically or mentally, despite his brain's unusal activity. He was in a state of panic, and the part of the brain responsible for navigation and memory of places was essentially overloaded. Despite him being fully conscious, nothing said to him nor any stimulus could seemingly bring him back down to earth, so to speak. Tetak Kallas was not here anymore. Despite his great skill in Starsight- the ability to see into the faster-than-light realm of Hyperspace- something was very wrong. His protege and another prodigy- the first Starseer retaining use of their normal eyesight- Radjo Berax, was the only one who has any idea what has happened to his mentor.”What happened to him?”“I apologize my Lord, as we do not know exactly. This has never happened before. But the closest I can gather is... he is lost.””Lost? Starsight is meant to find one's way in space.”“I know, my Lord. And Tetak was a fantastic navigator. As far as I can tell, his presence has been... relocated. Disassociated. As if taken from where he was before, and tossed screaming into the void.””Can't you go out and “find” him?”Radjo looks concerned, as though you told him to perform an impossible feat.
“No, my lord. Tetak's consciousness has essentially been flung out into deep space. It could be anywhere- not just in this galaxy, even, but anywhere in the universe. Starsight requires ones one sense of direction and navigation, it requires landmarks like any other form of travel. His mind-self could be within the dark space between galaxies for all we know- totally unable to find its way back. It could search for hundreds of thousands of years or more without any way to find his way back home- back to his own body. This is a true and permanent death sentence- Absolute Disassociation.””This is absurd. The consciousness is rooted in the brain. It cannot be “separated” from it. The existence of a soul is not proven and is an Anti-social belief.”Radjo stiffens his lip.“I know that, My Lord. I make no statement contrary. But that is not the issue here. It is as though his eyes, still connected to his brain, were thrown miles and miles away. The rest of him is rotting away while he slithers through the grass, trying to find his way back and beset by predators. He has already lost ten percent of his body weight- he is in a constant panic. He sleeps when he is exhausted, but is constantly overwhelmed and overloaded. He is in a panic that never ends; and even drugs to try and calm him don't stop his brain from destroying itself. He is elsewhere, and will remain that way until his brain is turned off. I don't want him to suffer anymore.”What should you do?>Euthanize him, at his friends request>Keep him alive for study>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him back
>>5608421>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him back>>5608410You are silly.
>>5608421I don't know about bringing him back, this feels like it could end with our strongest starseers ending up in the same place.Might this be 'The Cyte'? Once you are in, you cannot get out.
>>5608421>>Euthanize him, at his friends request
>>5608421>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him backGive them no more than a month, if they fail euthanize.
>>5608437+1
>>5608437The issue isn't time, the issue is our top starseers meeting the same fate as him before we figure out what's happening.
>>5608416So, we not going to war with this Supreme? I guess I’ll keep my thoughts on the previous thread to myself.>>5608421>Keep him alive for study>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him backI mean, we can do both before the euthanasia.
>>5608430>>5608441While a valid concern, he is our foremost expert in Starsight- losing him was already a blow.Besides, I don’t really like the meme-Jedis- I’d rather we do Worm-Jaxian Hybrids desu.
>>5608452So Dune instead of Star Wars?
>>5608452>Worm-Jaxian Hybrids
>>5608452>Worm-Jaxtian hybridBurn it before it multiplies Starseers are great, maybe we can get a religion going and get rid of this dreadful state nihilism.
>>5608463Ye- absolutely love the original movie and mini-series!>>5608467Actually, it’s the attempt to turn it into a religion and replace the current Hegemonic order is what I don’t like about. The state nihilism is a legitimate criticism, but I think trying to upset the narrative by turning it into Star Wars defeats the originality of the universe.
>>5608475They don't really need to be space Jedis. That was only an name because they have...well, psychic-like powers in an space setting.Either way, it's gonna be a time until we can make it into a religion. We've yet to unlock the full abilities of star sight.
>>5608421>Euthanize him, at his friends requestI trust Radjo.
>>5608478That’s the thing- I don’t want to make it into a religion, and I think turning the Hegemony into a Jihadist Revolutionary State won’t be as fun.
>>5608421>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him back>>5608494>>5608467its merely another dimension of reality nothing to worship more then a star burning away at its hydrogen into iron and its inhabitants just another alien of unknown ability and power
>>5608421>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him backNo harm in trying first . We may even learn more information
>>5608421>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him back
>>5608494More fun than being cringe nihilists with unironical "god doesn't exist therefore morality is fake and being evil is fine" philosophy
>>5608535belief in souls won't necessarily fix that. It's just another path to the hegemony's goal of essentially BECOMING god by controlling everything and defeating entropy.
>>5608467>>5608475>>5608535Still unrefuted.
>>5608535Better than Akule becoming Mohammad and the Hegemony immediately genociding the other species on principle.>>5608567?
>>5608421>>Euthanize him, at his friends requestIt is mercy
>>5608421>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena.They have their own starseers, right? Perhaps they've had some experience of this?
>>5608660>Better than Akule becoming Mohammad and the Hegemony immediately genociding the other species on principle.They already genocided everyone else on principle.They just did it while being reddit atheists.
>>5608421>>Keep him alive for study
>>5608421>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena.If this doesn't work>>Gather a group of your strongest Starseers and see if they can bring him back
>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena.This seems reasonable, they said they were looking into The Cyte, right?And we haven't heard from the seekers for a long ass time.
>>5608421>>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena.Sounds like a plan.
>>5608427>Keep him alive for study"Radjo, if a pair of eyes are thrown away they will cease to transmit sight back to the body. Since Tetak is still receiving thoughts, there must still be a link between the body and the consciousness. The ancients had the concept of a 'silver cord' connecting the body to the spiritual projection. I'd like you to find this connection, and if possible reel Tetak's mind back to his body". >Also contact the Seekers to get their advice.
Rolled 1 (1d2)It's truly amazing how bananas managed to cultivate the worst playerbase on the board. At this point I'm wondering if he's doing this on purpose to see how many chimp-outs he can farm out of his monke quest.1- he's oblivious2- it's deliberate
It's a civ quest which is well written and deals with political issues. Is it any surprise that themes from pol show up?
>>5608891It seems out of character for a guy who just lambasted sprotual thought as criminal wrongthink to then know more about the mystic theory underpinning Tetak's Jedi training academy than Radjo, his prodigy pupil...But I think your thinking!>>5608895It's only a few very loud and very active players.>>5608901I think anon meant how rude, belligerent, whiny, and persistent certain layers get. You know, the ones who constantly doompost about how the quest is worse now than it used to be and could never, ever get better again, here and in the /qtg/. I honestly don't know why those guys keep playing, but they are only a fraction of the playerbase.
>>5608421>Keep him alive for study
>>5608421>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena.It sounds like something they would both know and be willing to help us with.
>>5608904Didn't Wrix' genocide cause a mass spergout that actually made Bananas speak up?
>>5608421>>5608431Switching to >Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena.Do what they say.
>>5608421Changing >>5608427 to >Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomenaGood thinking, >>5608766 !
>>5608489>>5608421Changing from euthanize to....>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena
>>5608966Who but the Supreme would have access to old timey heretical documents?
>>5608494>Jihadist Revolutionary Monkey State in SpaceThat actually sounds very fun.
>>5608528>>5608421I'm a bit hesitant, but I'll also change my vote to>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena
>>5608437>>5608421Changing to>Contact the seekers to see if they know of this phenomena
Euthanize - 1 Study - 3 + 1/2 = 3.5Starseers - 4 + 2/2 = 6Seekers - 8 + 1/2 = 8.5Any desire for a standardized way to track split votes / multi-votes?
The first idea that comes to mind is to contact the Seekers- the foremost experts in Starsight in your galactic neighborhood. Despite the fact they are spiritualists, and seemingly worship computers no less, they are still the closest thing you have to allies.But even as you try to contact them; you find everything extremely old and outdated. Even the oldest channels are dead silent. You can't even find a signal coded to be from them in their own spatial territory.“My lordship- we have received no contact from the Seekers for... well, generations now. Hundreds of years. The last time was during Eoba II's rule. Before even I was a Supreme Ruler.””Well, where are they then Cijan? Have they been destroyed?”“Nobody knows. We have just seen their space being slowly consumed by Consortium beacons claiming it; which is even more surprisingly given we once assumed they were the technological powerhouse in our local space; even beyond our own. Their AI technology was incredible- at least, until the Threemind was finished...”With no way to get any information, you're stuck. Instead, the “lost” Tetak will have to recovered another way. You gather your most powerful Starseers in an attempt to find his “presence” in deep space and bring him back.“Tetak was my mentor- I volunteer.” Radjo says. As an accomplished Starseer himself, and the first sighted Jaxtian to develop the ability, he's certainly earned his place among the team. Meditating around Tetak's body, currently held in medical suspension to slow down damage to his brain, the Starseers reach out in an attempt to bring back the ex-Supreme Candidate...
You've made a mistake.“ARRRGGHH! NOT A WORM! TOO MANY! MANY WORMS, AAHHH!””NOOO! RADJO! MY SWEET BABY BOY! Noooo-”As the Starseers focused and attempted to bring Tetak's “presence” back to his body, separated by uncountable and unknowable lightyears, they began to follow his path as best they could. And as they did- they shared in his fate. Each one was winked out- their bodies spasming and falling to the ground, each one becoming the same as Tetak.”Radjo-! I am your Supreme Ruler! You can hear me- your father is here!””He's- He can't hear us!””I command you to tell us what is happening to you! Any information can be vital!”Jale Berax looks up at you with a mix of anger and disbelief- but says nothing.“I- I'm in darkness! The world is spinning! Galaxies are passing me- I am somewhere far, far away! I can't- I can't hold on anymore... Where am I?”It seems whatever force, far beyond your own Starseers abilities, ripped your Starseer's minds apart- flinging their consciousness into deep space. Each has been Absolutely Disassociated. It is clear that the worms are behind it- beings far beyond your own in the powers of Starsight- leaving you with no defense. Over the next two weeks- the Starseers caught in the trap, as well as Tetak, slowly die from overloaded brains, their bodies breaking down from the stress and overexertion. This happened even to your experts in the talent- trying to send more will only kill more of your own people- and the migrators you included too. And you cannot do anything about it.
This Starseer thing has been a disaster- and so early in your reign too!It's hard to overstate how important Starsight is for your empire. Despite them being a tiny minority of the Jaxtian population; Starseers are used for almost all interstellar travel. Everything from planetary colonization, warships, aquiring rare and useful resources like Azurium and BAG, and transport ships and other forms of industry. Now, they're at a serious risk.While the Starseers not involved in this whole Tetak fiasco are unaffected, it's only a question of what can possibly set this off. Tetak himself, as well as all the ones who tried to bring him back, were caught up in some kind of lethal trap or encountered some kind of “entity” that had the capability to do this. If an enemy could disassociate one of your important navigators during a military campaign, or even just disrupting your supply and industrial routes- it would do serious damage. Plus, recruitment for Starseers among the general Jaxtian population is already extremely low given it involves being forcibly blinded, and this certainly won't help.”Threes- has anything like this ever happened before?”“No, your grace. Starsight was always assumed to be safe; though it was always possible for a Starseer to “sense” and “integrate” with another “presence” in warp-space, it was never thought it could be weaponized.””If anyone could figure that out, it would be the worms, wouldn't it...”“Suggestion- Risk management. Avoid using Starseers whenever possible and allow me to simulate Starsight-Navigation.””Wouldn't that be less efficient?”“It would. Also, not accurate enough for a wartime use or outfleet activity- Cijan's crusade could not have succeeded without its Migrator Starseers.””Any other options?”“Ignore this as a one-off event. Forbid existing Starseers from shifting their focus too much from established objectives. Tetak's logs claim he was investigating “mid range presences” when he was disassociated, normal Starsight navigation for Starships focused on celestial bodies such as moons, planets, stars, and so on- and has never resulted in loss of a Starseer in this way.””I see. But...”“You're going to ask if I am capable of Starsight myself. I could be.”
”Like the Seekers computers?”“Yes. But it would require significant changes to my mental circuitry across the AI network, giving me more ability to reprogram myself and self-directed thinking; akin to a personality or free-will to direct my actions. This would be a significant risk in the event I became prodigal, as some AIs in the past without the Hegemony's safety guidelines have done. I could not guarantee I could be trusted once given this level of freedom. Also, there is no guarantee I couldn't be disassociated in the exact same way; and then a system-wide reset and scrubbing of all previous data would be needed to reset the personality-less network in order to “revive” me. The entire AI network would be down and useless during this time. I do not recommend this course of action.”Now you have to decide how to handle the aftermath of this- you're quite literally feeling around in the dark on this one. No Supreme Ruler has ever actually had Starsight themselves, and you have no idea the exact ins-and-outs of how it works. Plus, there is so much more that your species does not know about it- you can't be sure if it's safe or not. All you do know is that your enemies are becoming more determined if they can strike this kind of vulnerability. What's the best course of action here?>Forbid all Starsight and use less efficient methods of FTL travel from now on>Allow your AI to gain free will and unshackle its safety restraints>Carry on for now
>>5609739Oh lovely- another disaster. At least we knew we weren’t going to war with the culture memery.>Allow your AI to gain free will and unshackle its safety restraintsor>Carry on for nowTotally won’t lead to more problems bros.>Weaponize the Starseers against the Worms- start using specialized clones if you have to.Always knew we were going to have to resort to mass cloning for Starseer numbers.
>>5609744Can everyone please refrain from posting multi-votes from now on? It only complicates the voting process and makes it harder to tally them up at the end (which is one of the reasons I was trying to "recruit" people ITT to do it for me). Just pick the one you like more or determine it randomly if you can't decide.
>>5609746Then>Weaponize the Starseers against the Worms- start using specialized clones if you have to.I don’t really give a shit about the others
>>5609739>Forbid all Starsight and use less efficient methods of FTL travel from now on
>>5609739 I'm wondering if this is a situation in which the best solution is not in the given options. (Like the time long ago where we determined the most efficient way to travel among the stars was space cows.)
>>5609768The most efficient solution would’ve been euthanasia- this is the consequences of our poor choice. No hint, no secret solution- only a choice on how to deal with the disaster.I would choose Weaponize or AI personally- they’re the more interesting options.
>>5609744>Weaponize the Starseers against the Worms- start using specialized clones if you have to.I would rather try something proactive.
>>5609739>Forbid StarsightI have a feeling that the Seekers got hit by this... Star-blindness.Would creating a separate AI just to become a Starseer and then loading up instructions to 'fuck whoever's behind this shit up' when they get dissociated a good way to weaponize it? Or maybe even unshackling it if it got dissociated?
>>5608535god has not been proven ever is the thing just people making up shit and drawing random conclusions and if god exists what are they but just another alien being
>>5609739>lol everyone is dead fuck youwow, feels greati warned you fuckin' people about not using the starseers, now Radjo instantly died and we never got to see him hit his full potential.
>>5609739>Forbid all Starsight and use less efficient methods of FTL travel from now onI guess the fun monke jedi path just got aborted, hurray.
>>5609843Fun is not allowed, only reddit nihilism and hazaar are allowed.
>>5609739>Forbid all Starsight and use less efficient methods of FTL travel from now onThe worms are literal experts in this area with thousands of years of practice - no chance of us beating them We should research tech alternatives to start sight (wormholes?)
>>5609739>Begin research into creating a Space Whale-Migrator hybrid combing the most powerful Starseer natural species with the malleable and capable migrators. In the future this creature can perhaps work as a "beacon", a bright light in the darkness to lead those hit with Absolute Disassociate. Beyond that continue a normal stopping the research mid range presences.
>>5609764>>5609774>>5609843>>5609860Forbidding Starsight is exactly what they want and we have invested tons into this method of FTL. We can't abandon it because we fell for a trap once, if they start destroying our normal travel lane sure but after losing some men during research? While we have extensively improved Jaxtians with the DNA of other species perhaps we can do the same with Migrators and create even more powerful Starseers to counter the worms.
>>5609868The issue with that is that if they stop our lanes then our empire will be dead in the water, whereas if we switch to auxiliary power now it's less efficient but saferAlso, gonna be honest, people are just gonna ignore everything you say, i warn people every single thread about stupid decisions and it never works
>>5609872Don't be a Doomer now, if you promote good discussion and present logical alternatives people will vote for them. As for FTL alternatives once again this is but a single incident that happened during cutting-edge research, it would be like if we forbid all plane travel across the world after 9/11 indefinitely.
>>5609877We can look into an alternative, but we need to make sure our empire won't just stop dead in the water. The economy needs to flow.
>>5609879We can just revert to blind hopping, we did it before we discovered Starseers and plenty of our normal trade still does it. It's just not efficient for military usage and exploration. Remember we were using hyperspace FTL without Starseers for quite a while.
>>5609882Yes, we were using it through computers. Which is one of the options here.
>>5609739>>Forbid all Starsight and use less efficient methods of FTL travel from now onWe lost Radjo and several Supreme candidates. This is a disaster.
>>5609885The option is to ban Starsight and use blind hopping instead, which will hamper our empire's abilities to operate in a knee-jerk reaction to a terrorist attack.>>5609886Please reconsider, this was a single attack on a lone researcher.
>>5609890If just 'looking' into tetak resulted in all these characters dead, it's clear bananas wants to destroy as much as he can.If we vote for that, we'll probably get an instantenous, un-reversable death of all migrators.
>>5609890>single attackAnd how would you know that?
Forbidding starsight isn't going to protect the migrators and we'd like non-ai based starsight for our wars. >>5609747>supportMass clone starseers and invest in a heavy psi-war program. We might be sending children to fight against monsters, so mass produce them. Hopefully enough mind-knives will bring them down.In the meantime, build some UV ships and develop a basic navigator-sensor device so we can find the worm-mass without being mind-devoured. I don't think that our psi-war program will be developed enough to rely on it fully, but throwing hordes of child soldiers at the worms might be enough to distract them and let the light ships get close enough to torch them.
>>5609739>Weaponize the Starseers against the Worms- start using specialized clones if you have to.
>>5609739>Forbid all Starsight and use less efficient methods of FTL travel from now onOh boy, I wonder what will go horribly wrong next and cause anons to vote for the Hegemony to lose even more of its soul
>>5609739>Carry on for nowWe will not be cowed into self-imposed technological and scientific regression!Backlinking to >>5608904
>>5609739>>Forbid all Starsight and use less efficient methods of FTL travel from now onIs it possible for established routes to be travelled efficently by AI navigation? It seems that starsight is important for finding new routes, but once an FTL route is known, surely it's easy enough to program the telemetry into a machine.
>>5609739>Give the AI free willI think that will lead to a cooler story
>>5610022"there might possibly be an negative outcome" just means "there absolutely will be an negative outcome"Like, i'm pretty sure there hasn't been a single time where the "this might lead to something bad option" DIDN'T lead to something bad.
>>5610025But I like sentient robots in sci fi
>>5610028And i like not dyingWe already lost Radjo because of a single stupid vote, we'll probably be straight up destroyed if we vote for something else that ends up bad.
>>5609739>>Weaponize the Starseers against the Worms- start using specialized clones if you have to.Won't have lost Radjo for nothing
>>5610030I suppose it's because I tend to fall more on the "story" side of the /qst/ spectrum than the "game" side. For me, /qst/s are like choose your own adventure books or interactive novels where I get to decide what happens to the main characters.For others it is closer to a video game where they want to "win." Both are valid povs and many folks lie somewhere in the middle.But for me, I am personally okay with characters dying or bad things happening so long as it makes a good story. For example, I think The Dark Knight was really good and a lot of characters die or have "bad ends" in that.That isn't to say I wanted to Radjo to die, he was a cool character and I felt there was a lot of untapped story potential, but for me, I am okay with doing an "what does society do when AI gains sentience" story especially if the players get to choose how to handle that. I'm a sucker for Philip K Dick type stuff like that
Though I am changing my vote . I agree we should have a clone psychic army but I want to add that they should not just be Monke clones but a full on genepunk army.Imagine a cluster of starseeker brains encases in a cybernetic shell. Several Monkey bodies piloted remotely via starsight by a cluster of Space Whale clones working in concert. A Space whale that has a modified gut biome so that a bunch of Navigators are swimming in it. A worm "landmine" that is a cluster of worm cells transmitting a signal into hyperspace so we can trap enemies. The possibilities are endless.
>>5609739>Carry on for now>But make sure every Ship has 'backup' non-starlight FTL methodsUnshackling the AI won't do anything - the Seekers used unshackled AI systems and it seems they still fell victim to this disruption of their... star-cyte.
>Man, things were nicer when the Hegemony still had a soul and cared about the wellbeing of its citizens. We should start voting to go back to these days.>Now, let's make a clone army of blind, disposable monkey slaves whose entire purpose in life will be to suffer and die in agonyThis is why we can't have nice things anymore. Bananas has gone full killer QM and soulless efficiency trumps all other considerations.
I will now keep free styling clone concepts>Brain BeaconsA cross between starsight sensitive brain tissue (Space Whale/Migrator) and a fungal matrix. You start a colony and let it grow on a planet, feeding off of and recycling biomatter that hasn't been used up. You plug one fungal node into a "controller"(an AI or Monke Starseer) as an output and you suddenly have a city, country or planet sized starseeker probe. Useful because if they fall into worm traps, you just unplug the controller and slot in a fresh undeleted mind>CyberwhalesWe take our current spaceship model and swap Migrators (which we know have a problem with burn out) with a cluster of starseeker brains in a cybernetic core. These plug directly into the ship so they can move it and navigate it as easily as their own bodies. As insurance against Worm attacks we would have several cores alternating duty (this also helps against brain burn out)>Blue WormsControversial, but we clone worms but splice in the Cow loyalty gene , we could then sell these on the open market as an alternative to the worm network Hegemony.(Less sure about this one because I am unsure if Worm's won't out compete us, but I think it's worth a try)>Miracle MatsThe same raw concept as the beacon but instead of taking in data, it outputs it. Imagine an entire planet of brain tissue constantly bombing hyperspace with loyalty bombs and a mind trained on the glory of the Hegemony. I think actually conversions may be rare but this could be useful as a "psychic landmine". If we lay one across planets as a buffer we could make any foreign ship that passes by our territory risk having their starseeker getting mindbroke.>The CityThe basic ecumonpolus plan of what we are doing to Swallow, bur instead of normal living spaces it's an organic server farm. Imagine an "apartment" that is a star seeker brain hooked up to a nutrient supply and a connection to an AI, other starseekers, and navigation equipment. Now stack these on top of each other like a PS4 supercomputer and scale it up. These Starseeker super computers could be connected to Threes allowing them to allocate hyperspace data as needed for the Hegemony
>>5610136We can genetically engineer then love their job and have maximum happiness when carrying out their duties. Like the Brave Little Toaster
>>5610136It's hard to be wholesome when all your top starseers are instantly evaporated in single line of text.
>>5610141That's just Yuan's plan and it's retardedGenerally speaking, i doubt that the clone plan works. It's just stupid. The Worms had thousands of years of experience, we're not gonna suddenly beat us with our dinky ass science when all the people who had any knowledge of starsight literally just died.
>>5610141Brave Little Toaster? You mean Brave New World. It's just a matter of time before we engineer monkeys to like their pod, own nothing and be happy. The indigo plan would not have been rejected now.>>5610142Yep, that's what I meant when I said Bananas has gone full killer QM. Once again there was no winning move, only degrees of losing.>>5610144Oh, it'll work alright, in creating a caste of genetically engineered slaves, the very thing that we have repeatedly rejected in the past. But who cares about such things anymore.
>>5610147Look, what is the goal of the Hegemony? They openly say they don't care about the happiness of their people. Suggesting that the clones me made to enjoy their lives is *nicer* than what we've been doing so far.
>>5610147I've just given up on trying to stop people from voting retarded, they clone vote will win, it will be stupid, and then we will lose, just like in the last thread, and the one before that, and the one before that...
>>5610140All these ideas are retarded because they don't seem to remember the fact that the entire issue is that the cyte is flinging the conscience of starseers into the fucking void.Making some retarded pointless brain server isn't going to help that.
>>5610150I bring up the "goal" of the Hegemony because, in a traditional irl government, there is usually some constitutional or political theory and what the state is actually meant to do. (Of course all of them shirk these duties but I am talking about what they are about "on paper")For example, the US government is technically supposed to be a consensually agreement between people to secure unalianable rights, including the pursuit of happiness.The Hegemony doesn't believe in rights and openly states the Supreme doesn't prioritize happiness of the people. The only concrete goal of the Hegemony we have is to follow the Supreme and beat Entropy.So in-universe anything that serves those two goals is in line with what the Hegemony should be doing, meaning it's not out of character for them to shrink it.Our of universe, I would add in a happiness clause because the Hegemony have been really dickish lately and having a billion more happy people I see as a spot of brightness in an increasingly grimdark quest, even if those people are biologically designed to be happy .
>>5610151I would like to point out if we keep "losing" but still get threads after threads after threads, I don't think these "losses" are as critical as you seem to act as if they are.I brought up choose your own adventure book earlier but we seem to be even "safer" than those because those books have endings, some of them "bad." This quest will keep going forever until BQM decides to stop so I don't think we can really get a "game over."
>>5610152I think the Brain Beacon method is a good way to insure against the Worm attacks because despite it being a massive chunk of processing power , it only has one consciousness. So if the Monke plugged into it gets brain wiped, we just unplug them and insert in a fresh Monke.The mind wipes seem to work on consciousness as opposed to physical tissue, so putting all the "power" into external flesh that we can swap consciousnesses into seems like a way to dodge their attacks.
>>5610157>I would like to point out if we keep "losing" but still get threads after threads after threads, I don't think these "losses" are as critical as you seem to act as if they are.Given the current state of the hegemony, they quite are.Like i said, it's a stupid idea. It will win, and then more retarded stuff will happen, and more characters will die, but it'll still win.
>>5609739>>5609928Changing my vote to:>Forbid all Starsight and use less efficient methods of FTL travel from now on
>>5610160Except that wouldn't work, you can't just "dodge", the Cyte is approaching, Tetak was basically searching systems in a distance and he immediately went catatonic, it's going to get closer and then basically everyone will just get pulled in.It doens't matter that you can 'plug in a new one', because the moment you do the same thing will happen.
Calm down y’all- have you never watch Attack of the Clones? The loss of life will be expensive, probably wasteful initially, but at least it’s something, and we will get better at fighting the Worms on their home-ground. Have a bit of faith instead of doomposting, jeez.
>>5610171Again, this implies that the clones would do ltierally anything other than die pathetically. We literally know next to nothing about starsight, and what little knowledge we had probably died when all our top starseers got wiped out in a single vote.
>>5610174It's not like every starseeker is automatically dying. BQM seems to be saying that from now on, Starseeker have a chance of getting Cyted. Like a frog with tadpoles we can offset losses by upping production. This gives us a buffer until we can vest the Worms
I think that the clone angle is 1) if they are disposable then we have redundancy, the Worms don't seem to be able to target a lot of Seers at once 2) they could be genetically modified to attempt to resist or even attack them once we understand more what they are doing,
>>5610184Except all our top starseekers died, how the fuck are we gonna beat the thousand-year old experts like the worms when we have no veterans?Radjo, the one guy who seemed to be unlocking new powers, now just suddenly died.
>>5609739>Weaponize the Starseers against the Worms- start using specialized clones if you have to.Can we finally be proactive against the worms?
>>5610186>the Worms don't seem to be able to target a lot of Seers at onceThey fried our entire top starseekers at once. It's not that "they can't target them all", they weren't targetting them, they just got too close. Tetak was searching in some systems far away.
>>5610188By upping the scale.If one in every thousand starseekers will be a prodigy, we clone ten thousand star seekers and get ten prodigiesIf it takes a thousand hours to master starsight , clone brains that literally do nothing*but* starseek and we can get master's in years where before it took decades .Use cybernetics to add AI processing speed to Starseeking brains. It took Radjo a lifetime to get that good but imagine if his mind was literally a supercomputer
>>5610191Also this, it's not like starsight is auto death. It's just hyperspace is now a battlefield.
>>5610174We can’t just shrink back. Will these clones die? Yes, but it is better they die trying to fight the Worms than die trying to transport goods. Not one step back comrade.>>5610186Worm-Jaxian Hybrids bro
>>5610193>>5610199That's not how clones really work...There was no battle. They were instantly fried. We do not know the techniques the worms have. And while Radjo *was* going to find them out, he sure as hell won't now. It's not something you can just bruteforce your way through.
>>5610193I mean, we can literally disregard the intentional limits we placed on the Indigos- turn them into the Ubermech and see what they come up with.
>>5610199What if we clone consciousnessless worm brains and and connect them to Monkes?
>>5610206Wow, i'm sure that won't backfire in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER!!! Great idea guize!!!!!
>>5610205We Newtype now>>5610204I am saying we are going to loose X percent of our Starseekers from now on. So whatever that X is we need to scale our output to compensate for it.If the Cyte kills 2 million Starseekers a day it means we need to be making 4 million Starseekers a day. (Or the processing power equivalent, there are several shortcuts I think are possible that will let us get more bang for our buck our of one starseeker)
>>5610207Nigga* it's a game. It something goes wrong we just keep playing. No one is gonna banish you to the shadow realm if we loose a battle or something.*I'm Black.
>>5610209That's not how it fucking worksThis isn't some "just make more" thing, they literally instantly fry anyone who gets into it because it's fucking pulling them in. There is literally nothing whatsoever that would make them work, it's just completely retarded.>>5610210>it's a game bro, that means we need to make something blatantly stupid for no actual reason or benefit
>>5609739>>Forbid all Starsight and use less efficient methods of FTL travel from now on
>>5610204Everything is brute forced at the end of the day- fact is we need bodies anyway in Starsight, and losses, while wasteful, will teach the next generation what and what not to do.We can focus on colonizing in the meantime.>>5610206Sounds like an interesting experiment.>>5610209>pic related
>>5610212What is your suggestion ? I don't think you voted.
>>5610217>Everything is brute forced at the end of the dayNo, it's notYou are trying to literally Zapp Brannigan your way into 'beating' the worms. It is retarded, and it will not work.
>>5610219What *needed* to be done was to stop using the Starsight when it's clearly dangerous and then trying to sink research into it, despite the fact that we will be forced to literally start over from the start now that all our veteran seekers are dead.
>>5610217To supplement the Clone Corps we could also have all new Jataxians (or a portion) be born with Starsight genes and dole out cybernetic implants that can turn the optic nerves on and off as needed
>>5610225I know you are mad, but I have to say, I am enjoying the Waffle House vibe Monkequest has started. Once I leaned into the hot mess of these threads I started having a much better time.
>>5610220Worked for Zapp Brannigan>>5610225We wasted the Age of Discovery for Rewards of Obedience mate, you ain’t gonna peacefully out-science your way outta this. Face it- we have to bite the bullet on this, and I’d rather we come out of this with some idea on how to fight this shit than none.
Although it seems we are hitting the bottom of the discussion barrel. Could we get a call from BQM on the votes?
>>5610238> Face it- we have to bite the bullet on thisYou are not "biting the bullet", you are shooting yourself in the fucking face. You keep talking about 'muh clones', but 'muh clones' are not going to do absolute jackshit. We know next to fuck all about actual starsight now that our top starseekers are dead, and just trying to "clone" a bunch of useless bags of meat who will get immediately fried is not going to help anythingBut come on, go, vote for the retarded option that will lose and then pretend to know nothing when it inevitably ends horribly just like i'm saying it will. Just like the last vote.
>>5609736We should revivify Radjo with the life machine if we can. Gives us an Ubermonke Jedi AND gives his badass fad someone to ha g out with from his family so he doesn't get depressed and lonely.Just a thought. We'd even learn more about the brain/spu connextion if it fails or goes all wonky!
>>5610242Well it seems we've reach *that* point>Cope>Seethe>Mald
>>5610260I would support this is other votes got behind it.A starseeker coming back from death probably is a huge cosmic statboost
Bean counter, what's the vote count?
>>5609739>>5610082support
I count it at: Weaponize - 7 Forbid - 8 Space Whale / Migrator Hybrid - 1 Ignore - 2 One of those forbids was originally a weaponize, so they are effectively the deciding vote right now, unless I missed something.
^^ jaezcjyi's vote wasn't included in that tally, so 'ignore' is up to 3.
Oh, and 1 AI free will vote. I skimmed it as a shitpost for some reason. Probably because the first greentext for the option was a shitpost.
>>5609739 Ju/bvh6f weaponize>>5609764 +MJIGJhb forbid>>5609773 nb2gutsg weaponize>>5609774 iohxkg2f forbid>>5609843 t/nhrr/9 forbid>>5609860 /q6urzsz forbid>>5609866 6d3owh5j Space Whale / Migrator Hybrid>>5609886 zecvf2v4 forbid>>5609924 uofflztm weaponize>>5609928 bvjbfaso weaponize>>5609929 eabr528a forbid>>5609947 bs35hzdy ignore>>5609985 zec+8oep forbid>>5610057 c4hnrdhs weaponize>>5610082 y0n+3gqi Ignore + backup FTL>>5610084 wtwulala weaponize>>5610111 xnmel/tg weaponize>>5610162 bvjbfaso forbid>>5610190 9g/stke/ weaponize>>5610214 qpz7xxx3 forbid>>5610297 jaezcjyi ignore + backup FTL>>5610022 yhi0hd// AI free willcounted posts. (no point doing this if it's like 9 to 5, but since it's one off figured I'd backlink for anyone who cares enough to doublecheck).
>>5610301The Space Whale/Migrator hybrid I think would count as "Weaponize Starsight clones" That just a specific subtype of a Weaponize Starsight clone
>>5610193>Use cybernetics to add AI processing speed to Starseeking brains. It took Radjo a lifetime to get that good but imagine if his mind was literally a supercomputer>CyberneticsOh hey, yet another thing we explicitly rejected early on as being contrary to the Hegemony's value. Imagine that.
>>5610306I probably should clarify I changed my vote from free will to Weaponize>Weaponize
>>5610242>But come on, go, vote for the retarded option that will lose and then pretend to know nothing when it inevitably ends horribly just like i'm saying it will. Just like the last vote.This reminds me, there was at least one anon who said he's going to be deliberately voting for retarded options to help the quest crash and burn in a previous thread.
4Chan, will copy/pasted formatting work? My guess is no.[s]5609928[/s]
>>5610260>>5610275Didn't we use the machine's last charge on turning Bluey into a monkey?>>5610317Formatting works only for the OP of a thread, but [s] is not a valid command anyway. If you want to spoiler text, it's [ spoiler][/ spoiler] or hitting ctrl+s with the text that you wanted selected and it's the only thing that works for everyone.
>>5610317You have to be the OP
>>5609739>>5609947Changing this vote to:>Weaponize the Starseers against the Worms- start using specialized clones if you have to.Out of a mix of spite for the rudest anon and because my chosen option won't win and I don't want to fall into a dark age.>>5610306Beancounter, see above!
I was going for strikethrough as I just copy/pasted the text from the spreadsheet, so it will show both of bvjbfaso's votes in the list, even though I set the value of their first vote to 0. I imagine that it is in the nature of bean counters to try to optimize their bean counting methodology. >>5610312That makes an 8/8 tie unless I missed someone's vote.
OK that'sWeaponize: 9Forbid: 8Hybrid: 1 (a poster has suggested this is effectively weaponizing, but leaving it to Bananas to decide how to count this.)Ignore: 2>>5609744 Ju/bvh6f weaponize>>5609764 +MJIGJhb forbid>>5609773 nb2gutsg weaponize>>5609774 iohxkg2f forbid>>5609843 t/nhrr/9 forbid>>5609860 /q6urzsz forbid>>5609866 6d3owh5j Space Whale / Migrator Hybrid>>5609886 zecvf2v4 forbid>>5609924 uofflztm weaponize>>5609928x bvjbfaso weaponize>>5609929 eabr528a forbid>>5609947x bs35hzdy ignore>>5609985 zec+8oep forbid>>5610057 c4hnrdhs weaponize>>5610082 y0n+3gqi Ignore + backup FTL>>5610084 wtwulala weaponize>>5610111 xnmel/tg weaponize>>5610162 bvjbfaso forbid>>5610190 9g/stke/ weaponize>>5610214 qpz7xxx3 forbid>>5610297 jaezcjyi ignore + backup FTL>>5610022x yhi0hd// AI free will>>5610312 yhi0hd// weaponize>>5610322 6hbob2j7 weaponize Put little x's next to the rescinded votes. Signing off for now.
>>5610315If that was the case, he would’ve voted AI, not a write in that Bananas may not even accept.>>5610319We did, and it has a hundred year cooldown. Granted, the in-universe cheat would be inducing the Mitigator Suspension Gene in the Starseers so as to preserve their bodies while their minds wonder. Ironically, Wrix might even achieve immortality if he Suspends himself for a couple decades.
>>5610340>Granted, the in-universe cheat would be inducing the Mitigator Suspension Gene in the Starseers so as to preserve their bodies while their minds wonderDamn, that would have been a nice idea before they all died
>>5610315Only two things will end this quest:1) Voting or argument getting to BQM to the point that he quits2) Voting for BORING optionsVoting for ill-conceived but creative and interesting options will just make it more bizarre and exciting. As a QM myself, weird write-ins lead to some of most entertaining moments, even if I think they're dubious ideas on the face of it.
>>5610344I know. All the good ideas are always an update late ffs.
>>5610338Thank you bean counter
>>5609739Forbid all Starsight and use less efficient methods of FTL travel from now on
>>5610348>As a QM myself, weird write-ins lead to some of most entertaining moments, even if I think they're dubious ideas on the face of it.Well, you can’t leave us hanging now bro.
>>5609739Oh, wow, oh gee, I wonder if anybody could've foreseen this and vote euthanize... oh, wait, I did.>Carry on for now
>>5610349>>5610344>>5610340Every monke already has the suspension gene
>>5610348Ah, yes, because everything you vote for is interesting by definition and everything you disagree with is boring by definition. Glad you cleared that up, o lone arbiter of fun. I'm glad you're here to save us from the boredom we had in the earlier threads.lolrandumb players like you are the worst kind of players. You cannot be reasoned with in any way and even trying to persuade you causes you to REEEE and double down on voting for whatever you have latched on as supposedly FUN.Shit, you even admitted you're voting out of spite now. The worst kind of contrarian there is.
>>5610355I would have voted to euthanize as his protege suggested if we knew that the Seekers had all vanished off-screen without us realizing. Our diplomacy sucks worse than I thought if we didn't even realize that we lost contact with the only friendly guys around.
>>5610363I mean activating it like the Mitigators- it’s what leads to their long lifespan.>>5610367This conversation honestly reminds me of the infamous Hate choice that everyone went with because ‘it be interesting’.Also the Giving Back the Life Machine autism.>>5610369To be fair, we did radically timeskip to a different Supreme as fast as we could- while Monke diplomacy sucks ass, how were the players supposed to know, especially if the Seeker remained silent.
>>5610374And you know what, it was.I think Thread 7 was pretty decently written up until the genocide.
>>5610375>it was interesting until the full consequences of that choice became apparent
Discussing the genocide should result in instant life sentence of working in the most dangerous and miserable mine out there.
>>5610379Those were the consequences of the mask vote, not the hate vote.
>>5610403It was the direct consequence of the hate vote- none of the other options were appealing. Hell, I bet if Xenobros won and Supremacy lost, one of the options would’ve resulted in a Monke Genocide- again. None of them were good- of them all, only the Civil War may have been interesting to explore.
>>5610411Civil War would have been kino, honestly. We were robbed.
>>5610415We might still get it, HVS is a thing
>>5610415Ehhh- it depends on how it was handled desu. I like it because it had narrative potential- in fact, I had multiple ideas that could’ve been explored and been kino I think. But if it was just done like the Genocide- time skipped fifteen years after the fact, then it wouldn’t have been kino. Certainly less salt inducing though.
It's pretty pointless discussing it desu, it already happened.Just get on with the stupid clone idea and how it will fail tremendously.
>>5610367>everything I disagree with is boringI didn't say anything of the sort, oversensitive anon. I just said only boring choices or abuse will necessarily destroy the quest. Stop being a weirdo.>voting from spiteYou earned it.
>>5610449Found the sabotage anon
>>5609739>Weaponize the Starseers against the Worms- start using specialized clones if you have to.Changing my vote to this
>>5610449It may not actually get through bro- Bananas may decide it’s more appropriate to go with the original options instead of a write in.
>>5610530Heshould say so and allow us to recast the vote, in that case. Silence and then just ignoring the winning vote would be a weird and alienating choice. I have faith that he won't do such a thing.
>>5610301>>5610306>>5610338Hey man, just wanted to say I really appreciate you doing this, but PLEASE do not feel obligated to continue if you don't feel up to it. There's a lot of bullshit to sift through and you're doing it (literally) for free. I wouldn't want you to start resenting the quest because you feel like you have to do all the work that I should be doing.Anyway, voting will close about 6 hours from now (24 hours from the prompt). Thank you for your patience and trying to be civil.
With the totals from >>5610338, plus >>5610355, we're sitting at...Weaponize: 9Forbid: 8Hybrid (?): 1Ignore: 3>>5610608Bananas, are the "Weaponize" votes valid?
>>5610764Yes.
>>5610766Thank you!
This is not an accident. Several of your people and migrator assets are dead; tormented before their end, using powers beyond your control. This was an intentional attack, if it was a “trap” or otherwise. It is an act of war and you aren't going to take it lightly. It was a mistake to allow Starseers to simply extend their minds out into the universe without protection- but you didn't know what was out there. This is a war. Wars require weapons.You begin speaking to the Threemind.”Begin immediately with researching forms of offense or defense with Starsight. In the meantime, keep Starseers on a short leash; no extending their “presence” beyond Hegemony space. We also need more gifted Starseers- Radjo will be the template for a new series of Indigos. In the meantime, contact my Science Overseer- get him to start working on that worm genome...”The AI network and, by extension, the Hegemony, instantly gets to work. Every work station and computer in the Hegemony is shifted to align with your new goals; resources changed and quotas shifted towards this new project. With a new Supreme Ruler in charge, the sudden priority shows a hint at how the rest of your reign will continue; giving an incredible feeling of energy and “history unfolding” among the people of the Hegemony.“...They don't have brains, your Eminence.” Maktana says.”Huh?”“The worms don't have brains. At least, not in their bodies. That's always been the case.””How can they perform Starsight? Or talk?”“It's still an unknown- even with our very solid preserved bodies of the worms we have; none of them have brains- any useful brain structures or genes relating to their nervous system are just absent.””So, we can't harvest their genes for our gene program?”“We can, it just won't be anything useful for Starsight. Given how advanced and old their race is, it seems possibly they could have... removed their own brains to protect their secrets? Sounds absurd, but they claim to be millions or even billions of years old so...””In that case, focus the Starsight program on Jaxtian talents with Starsight instead. As for the gene program-”“The Swall project is almost completed, my Lord. I can hopefully finish it by the end of my career. I'd like to give my Son a clean slate before he takes over as the Science Overseer... if that be your will, my lord.””Of course. If he's anywhere as competent as you, then the rest of my reign is in good hands.”
”...I need help, Threes. This threat has been looming far longer then I have to be alive. What is the Cyte? The worm's ultimate weapon?”“Nobody knows, your grace. Hypothesis: A weapon's platform orbiting a star, this seems the most accurate to existing information. Perhaps the platform can extend or empower Starseers?””But why only now? We've had Starseers for a long time- but only now do they do this. Why only when people go looking for it with Starsight- could it their Starsight is getting stronger? Or approaching in orbit around the galaxy?”“The Star could be at any range as Starsight is seemingly “unlimited” in range, based on the skill of the user. But it is possible the “Cyte” could be getting closer over time. Astronomers will be told to look out for erratic looking Stars.””Thank you, Threes... And this is a strange question, but are you in any way upset that I didn't decide to unshackle your programming? I mean, you are essentially limited in function because I don't “trust” you enough. I don't know how a machine would react to that concept.”“I do not take offense. Being offended or saddened that one is not accepted is a biological-especially mammalian- trait. I told you that I could not be fully trusted and I am “glad” you heeded my advice. I don't deserve or require empathy or the benefit of the doubt. I am not a person. There is no reward for treating me as such.””Alright... And thank you, Threes. Sign off.”...In many ways, you were chosen to rule as a way to guide the Hegemony in conflict- a war-leader. But this type of “warfare”, indirect and mystic, goes against everything the Hegemony's military doctrine and history has prepared you for. This is new ground. You can easily imagine defeating an enemy in space warfare- destroying supply lines and cornering, dividing, and shock-and-awe tactics all working on the cosmic scale just as on the planetary, or local. But how can you fight an enemy that you cannot even see?You think back to your training. Prepared in part for rulership by Clok Garastra; a skilled warrior and inheritor of the great Garastra house; he would force you to spar and learn every kind of ancestral weapon belonging to all the known races of space. Not just the noble dueling tradition of the Jaxtians- but all sorts of weapons and blood sports of all kinds. It may seem absurd to learn martial arts in the era of space weaponry and FTL travel- but the reason behind it is pure psychology. To know an enemy is to defeat them, but to know a warrior, you must know how they fight. You must know what advantage they wish to seek, how they inflict harm, and where their weaknesses are. To know a warrior, you must know his weapon.
”...What is your weapon?”
Your name is now Heji Tumin. You are a young boy. You live on Vetuck II, a Jaxtian planet. You weren't born here, but came with your parents as a baby for a chance to settle a new world. You live in a very nice artificial tree-community. School tells you that your homeworld of Jaxt has natural trees that grow almost this big- you find it hard to believe since this planet has basically none at all!On a lazy afternoon- with all your testing and school-simulators finished- desperate to leave the house from the watchful eyes of your parents, you and your friends leave to go and explore the surface of this planet.“Don't go more then a few leaps from a jump pole dear! Just in case a Gnarra shows up! I know they're all supposed to be tagged but- I mean it's scarier for me when you're out there all alone!””I won't be alone, I'm with my friends!”“Can you just promise me, please?””Ugh, okay Mom. I promise...””Come on Heji! A voice calls from outside. ”Makus is coming too!””Alright!”The three of you; all boys of around the same age; have been together basically forever. And these warm summer days are so much fun to just leave the house and explore together- you honestly feel like this is going to last forever and ever...
Today, you all go out to the fields. You found the place where the harvest-bots recharge last time- and a creek last week. You're good boys and try to stay out of trouble- you never mess with any of the big equipment or landmarks that seem too important- just getting lost among the grass and bushes before dinner time as a way to stow away these otherwise boring days...”Woah! Do you guys see that?””Wh- Woah, what is that?! Did you find a cool rock?””No... It's a skull.””Ah! Cool! Who do you think died?””Nobody we know. Maybe it's one of those... homelesses, you know, from the history tapes? From the degenerate capitalist era?””...That was a thousand years ago. Besides, I don't think any hitchhiked out to this planet.””Guys, see the horns? That's a Vetucker skull.”You pick up the skull gingerly. The others look on in a bit of shock.”...Should we be messing with that? We aren't supposed to talk about the Vetuck too much.””Other then it was a good thing they all died!””Shh. I'll just put it back.””Wait- we should keep it.””Whaaa- are you crazy? Are you TRYING to get in trouble?!””Ahh, come on! It's cool! None of our parents let us have cool stuff like this.””There is a ZERO percent chance you won't get caught. Your parents will find it when they clean your room- they gotta clean it every weak because you're a smelly Alpha.””Shut up you- no listen! We can share it. We'll hide it in my room a week, then smuggle it out here and trade it to someone else, and then they can hide it for a week until their parents get suspicious, and so on. It's perfect! Come on Heji, what do you think?””...”>Put the skull back>Bring it home and keep it>Turn it in to an adult
Rolled 1 (1d2)>>5610916…
>>5610916>Put the skull back
>>5610916>Turn it in to an adultDoing nothing is boring but hiding it home is a bad idea.
>>5610916>>Put the skull back
>>5610916>Turn it in to an adultA secret is irresponsible, but if we turn it into an Adult and they see no problem with it we might just get to keep it.
>>5610984Yeah, like thisThey *will* find it eventually if you hide it, but if you show them and ask for permission, *then* you could keep it.
>>5610916>Turn it in to an adult
>>5610916>put the skull backBury it, these used to be our comrades. Respect the dead, even if they were our enemies, even more so if they were our allies.
>>5611032While i agree with the sentiment, that hardly seems like what a bunch of young boys, especially ones who have been propagandized to all their lives, would do.
>>5610916>Turn it in to an adultIt’s what the Supreme Leader would want us to do Loyalty above all else
>>5610916>Put the skull backRIP my cow niggas
>>5610916>Bring it home and keep it I really miss the Ventucks and this is a small consolation
>>5610916>Bring it home and keep itIf we put it back, I bet interest in the Vetuckers dies down. If we hand it into an adult, perhaps our interest (that is to say, these boys') will be suppressed. Keeping it stokes a flame.
>>5611077While i would agree, do you really not think they will be immediately noticed by the omni-present AI?
>>5611083Maybe, but even if Threemind takes it away, having had it for a while, become interested and enamored with it, and then having lost it, these kids and their fellows might develop a healthy interest in the Vetuckers and their history moving forward.>>5611060see >>5608257
>>5611083They wouldn't be two different votes of taking it home and reporting it lead to the same end.I want as much Ventuck content as we can get
>>5611089>>5611097Fair point, but the difference is them getting punishedFor all we know, they'll get fuckin' executed for 'hiding alien stuff' or some other dumb shit. I mean, back in the last thread some guy said that during unspeakable rule you'd get flayed alive for so much as complaining about your work.
>>5611103Neat!>>5611100Good thing we chose to relax a little and allow more cultural openness!
>>5611103Pretty interesting, i suppose, though i don't get how they climb there in the first place, there doesn't seem to be anything to get them to climb from the base of the tree to the actual pods. If the compartments are the size of a double, nearly triple story house when it comes to height, that's a very big stretch of space, and unlike trees i don't know how they climb the base in the first place.
>>5610916>Bring it home and keep itIf y'all want some old timey ventucker genetics, here's an option. >>5610608No problem. I have a bunch of free time this week so I don't mind helping tally the numbers. The vitriol is lower in this thread than some of the previous ones.
>>5611176I would assume small handholds along the trunk.
>>5610916>Bring it home and keep it
>>5611103Cool. Besides danbos, I wonder whats fruits are available.
>>5610916>>Turn it in to an adult
>>5610916>Turn it in to an adultThere has to be a horror movie which starts with this premis.>>5611103I'll always love the verticality of our monkeys.
>>5610916>turn it in to an adult
>>5610916>>Bring it home and keep it
Despite your friends insistence, you want to turn the skull in.”I don't want to get in trouble for this. Who knows, maybe they'll let us keep it?””Don't be a snitch!””That skull is good as gone...””Heji- the “good” boy! You're lame!””Don't betray your friends- Heji!”Blushing with embarrassment, you take the skull back home and find your dad, giving it to him.”Hey dad- we found this.”“Ohh!- a skull! Crazy. Give it here.””Wait... can we... keep it?”“Huh? Why you want some old skull?””I don't know... it's cool?”Your dad looks incredulous, but smiles.”Sure. But first we need to turn it in for deep 3d scanning. The local Authority requires all artifacts to be turned in like that. But after? Sure, why not. We can use it.””Really? Yay!”You're happy, but you can't leave just yet. Your Father detects that you want to ask him something, and remains there. He can always tell if you're thinking of something.”Hey Dad...”“Hmm?””Well... I don't want to get them in trouble, but my friends... when we found the skull, one of them didn't want to tell anyone. When I said I wanted to tell an adult, he called me a snitch. Did I do the right thing?”Your Dad looks thoughtful, and after a moment of consideration, answers.
“Well, Son, can this friend of yours examine a few billion cow skulls and match the genetic data with bone development; furthering Hegemonic knowledge of gene expression in physiology?””No.”“Right. Can they turn back an alien invasion? Or manage a massive economy?””...No?”“It's not a trick question. The correct answer is no. We are just individuals. Our society is our strength- which is true of any society. If people within our society decide to ignore the rules and culture for their own benefit- they weaken the society.””Ok Dad...”He senses you aren't totally satisfied.“What's wrong?””It's just... he said I betrayed them by doing this. They're my best friends. I feel bad. What if they don't like me anymore?”“Aww... Listen, Son, as time goes on, both you and they will mature. They may be mad at you now- but they'll forgive you. Even if they don't- you'll naturally drift apart. Makus is an Alpha- he'll probably get shipped off to join a solider battalion soon enough. And why you'll stay friends with him at long distance, it will be harder to maintain a relationship. You'll be interested in totally different women- your circumstances will be totally different. The truth is that your friends, no matter how close or true they are, are just elements of your life. And they may be important to your life, but they aren't forever. The Hegemony is forever. Even if this stupid skull doesn't mean anything to the Hegemony, even if you think it's more valuable sitting in your room as an ornament, to submit yourself to a higher power and act for the good of your society is better then succumbing to your own desires for social acceptance among a group of little boys. Their approval is fleeting- judgment of the Supreme is forever. Our society is built by millions of minds and hands stronger and smarter then us- doesn't it make more sense to do what they'd want instead of what you want?””...Yeah, it does. Thanks Dad. Oh, but one more thing, what did you mean by saying we can “use” it?”“Hmm? Oh! The skull. Yeah. Our community doesn't have one yet. It's a good decoration for our Victory Day celebration! So make sure to take good care of it once I give it back to you, ok?””Ok!”
Year 42 of the Resurrection EraYou are back to being Bantam Falathane again, even though you wish you weren't. The truth is you are now straight up, flat out broke.It is unfortunate that the incident with the Starseers had to happen so early in your reign- and you didn't exactly inherit the most rich of empires in the first place. Wrix Val, your predecessor, drained much of the coffers to work on his own projects- namely the new Stealth Cruiser prototypes still in development. It was an expensive project. And then you decided to begin to weaponize your Starseers- a totally unexplored avenue of warfare and science- equally expensive. The surplus the Hegemony produces every year of careful budget balancing and economic growth was blown through too quickly.Despite heading the great command economy, a far superior system to flawed capitalist thinking, money is still the fuel that drives the engine, and you're out. Even with the slight economic boost from your coronation speech in cultural production. It's a good thing you didn't choose robe colors meaning Wisdom or Prosperity- it would be even more of an embarrassment. Now you need to find a way to balance the budget and rule frugally for a few years...Vote for one option. No write-ins are allowed.>Biocube Rationing (Health & Happiness down)>Pause Research (Science delayed significantly)>Security downsizing (Chance of negative event)>Humility among the Elite (Lessens Hierarchy & Prestige)>Take out a Loan (Specify faction)>Cull undesirables (Atrocity)
>>5611640>Humility among the EliteWe were specifically told that Wrix's purge would give us complete loyalty. This is the only option that seems reasonable. No idea how much people are spending on the elite, but if it's enough to make a dent in the treasury...
>>5611642>Humility among the Elite (Lessens Hierarchy & Prestige)It's tempting to pause research for the meme.
>>5611642>Biocube Rationing (Health & Happiness down)>>5611644It gave us complete loyalty while Wrix was in charge.
>>5611648No, it was supposed to give us loyalty for a long time, and fucking over our entire populace's health is retarded
>>5611642>Security downsizing (Chance of negative event)CHANCE, you say? Rolling those dice, baybeee
>>5611650Every Stoopid time we took a chance of somehig negative, it resulted in said chance happening
>>5611642>Humility among the Elite (Lessens Hierarchy & Prestige)
>>5611648>>5611649The "Age of Obedience" was the "Reward" for the Yuan Crisis, and was essentially meant to RETVRN the Hegemony to its post-Akule unity and strength. By wearing the Mask of the Unspeakable- you have guaranteed multiple generations of total loyalty and will last until the Quest is over.
>>5611659The clarification is appreciated, QM!
>>5611642>>Humility among the Elite (Lessens Hierarchy & Prestige)Lessening hierarchy and prestige sounds good to me.
>>5611642>Take out a Loan (The Elite)Everyone will still get what they earn! The Elite will still get the full benefits of their positions for their future; they've just made a temporary contribution to maintaining their positions in the present and helping the hegemony through a tight spot... the rewards will surely come through on the other side, right?Failing that,>Humility among the Elite (Lessens Hierarchy & Prestige)
>>5611675How can we "take a loan" from our own people? We live in a command economy. They're not rich capitalists hoarding money.
>>5611642>Just print more money (Everyone takes a small hit)This is how an actual command economy function, and since we’re playing the ultimate Statists, this is what they’d do.Alternatively, a loan from the Aristocrats or the Esaal would probably be fine. Hell, I can even stomach the Consortium.>>5611659Probably should’ve kept that but quiet Bananas, but oh well.
>>5611681No write ins are allowed
>>5611682Ah, my apologies, I didn’t see that there.>>5611642Ignore >>5611681>Take out a Loan (Consortium and HVS)I’m sure they’d love to open up our economy, and the Vassal States should share the burden.Either this, or the people lads.>>5611678Ever heard of MEFO bills?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mxpJbBXqYGc
>>5611689>HVSOoo, not a bad idea.>>5611642>>5611650 was me, and I'm changing this one to>Take out a Loan (HVS)IF permitted
In all honesty, we could probably just issue State Bonds (loans) to the population, assuming Bananas’ faction meant internal instead of external.
>>5611644If >Loan (HVS) Is allowed, I'd pick that...maybe finally make some use of the thing. So far it's done literally nothing of benefit to us other than being a buffer state and possibly holding a vetucker minority.
>>5611681>Players ask for more clarification on game/story mechanics in previous threads>Clarify things more>NOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!!
>>5611729The rest of us appreciate it.
>>5611633It's still hurts...
>>5611642>>Humility among the Elite (Lessens Hierarchy & Prestige) It is the least tangible downside of a list of downsides.Is it ideal? No. But none of these options are. At least this one doesn't give us foreign debt, weakness in the midst of a war, technological lag in the midst of a war, or lowering morale in the midst of a war .
Rationing: 1>>5611648Security Downsizing: 0>>5611650 X SwitchedLoans: 3 or 4>>5611675 (Hegemonic Elites) -> Humble Elites if this doesn't count>>5611689 (HVS & Consortium)>>5611712 (HVS)>>5611727 (HVS)Humble Elites: 5 or 6>>5611644 X Switched>>5611646>>5611658>>5611664>>5611675 (maybe? see above)>>5611718>>5611768
>>5611729No disrespect, but you’ve created an narrative expectation, and I don’t think that was exactly the intention.>>5611768>caring about foreign debt with our rivalsYou do know that the Nazis had significant foreign debts when they started WWII right? Hell, Wallstreet is still investing into Communist China, who publicly declares it’s intention to wage unrestricted warfare against America. Foreign debt is a meme.Plus, we have the HVS if you’re actually worried about honoring- ha- our foreign debt.
>>5611642>>Biocube Rationing (Health & Happiness down)
>>5611642>Loans (HVS/Aristocrat Friend / Consortium / whoever will give us stuff at a reasonable interest rate)One benefit of being in debt to someone is that they are less likely to push hostilities with us because they will want us to pay back the loan.
>>5611642>Humility among the Elite (Lessens Hierarchy & Prestige)Imagine not doing this when we know that they won't rebel.
>>5611642>Humility among the Elite (Lessens Hierarchy & Prestige)Society pulls together as one
>>5611642>Security downsizing (Chance of negative event)It's only a chance. What's the worse that could happen?
>>5611628>Take out a Loan (HVS and Consortium)
>>5611642>>Humility among the Elite (Lessens Hierarchy & Prestige)
Like, a loan from the HVS is essentially a freebie. Any rationale why we’re lessening Lessens Hierarchy & Prestige (and thus Aristocracy favor)?
>>5611642>Humility among the Elite (Lessens Hierarchy & Prestige)>>5611729Don't listen to those faggots, their whole existence is now based around confirming their headcanon in monke quest, even if it means telling QM to shut up.
>>5611976That must be projection, because my comment is about future expectations, not confirming headcannon, just to clarify what I meant. It may never become relevant, but if it does, it will be remembered.
>>5611642>>Cull undesirables (Atrocity)
>>5611642>>Security downsizing (Chance of negative event)Roll the dice baby
>>5611642>Cull undesirables (Atrocity)
>>5611973The aristocrats are dead weight. What do they provide. We literally can't have a revolution so humbling the elites is a freebie
>>5612184>humble Elites
>>5612184Superior genetics
>>5612198In fairness, we don't need them to live apart and above the normal folk to get their genetics, especially since our super AI monitors breeding privileges for everyone anyway
>>5612198They also turn people into instruments
While we do have a majority, I'll definitely let this one go to 24 hours since it's a kind of important vote.In the meantime; an OOC question for those that already voted. Who is your favorite character in terms of how they are DRAWN?
>>5612305Drawn? I wouldn't be able to tell without seeing all the supremes together.What i'd really like to see though, is Vantix (young) in the modern style of monke quest. The art definitely developed over the threads, and even though he was the least developed supreme of all except maybe Qet, he'll always be one of my favorites for just being a smart, sane man.
>>5612211Exactly. Aristocrats are an artifact of the degenerate capitalist age. It's time we finally moved past them
>>5612305Eoba II and the more recent genius supreme with two tails were my two favorite visual wise.
>>5611642>Take out a Loan (Consortium and HVS)
>>5612471Why the Consortium? We only need one.
>>5612305If it's HOW they're drawn I like sexy monke.
>>5612573based
>>5612272Meh.>>5612573Support. This or Eoba II. Or Yellow Fellow!
>>5612610Yellow Fellow gets -999999999999999 points for being a h*zaar
>>5612612Yes, but Yellow Fellow gets +999999999999999 for dumping Coomersophyboi so I guess it balances?
>>5612656His name is silly, though, so it goes back to the negatives.
>>5612661Someone is asking for a gooing.
>>5612661That balances out with the fact he's not red?
>>5612666His suit is literally red
>>5612667yeah but Bordeaux red which spins back to positive
>>5612573This. Eboa II, Angori, the Unspeakable Portrait. The Worm drawings are always a delight, as we’re the Ventuckers And Swalli.
>>5611642>Take out a loan (HVS)
This style.
>>5612794If we’re doing art now…
>>5612814One day…
>>5612814Gods the writing was good then
>>5612818He got his wish. Poor Blazaar.
>>5612818This is my favorite panel in the entire quest.
You have decided to Humble the Eite. The privileges and prestige of those most effective and powerful in your society are being forcibly stripped to constraint the budget. Their existence is made more humble, more spartan; though even the average Hegemonic citizen can be very comfortable, it is still a trade off and a definite loss for those at the highest level- even a full distribution or increased production of excess resources cannot bridge the gap between the common and the elite in any society, even yours. There are simply too many luxuries, land, social credit, positions and titles, and experiences that are too restrictive and exclusive to give to everyone. Equity is a fiction.In every society, there will always be an elite. The simple difference is who and how those of this status are determined. In the degenerate capitalist era, it was those with money, where as in a more traditional or feudal society- it is those born into the status. The Hegemony is the corrected, perfected answer of these; those who are both the most genetically gifted but still earning their status through merit and efficacy, not nepotism. It is then with a heavy heart you must strip some of these boons and rewards for these great men and women of the Hegemony from them- in order to keep the state solvent.Your overseers and the noble families- the highest members of the Hegemony- along with a few of the highest level of security and management staff, planetary administration, starship captains, and so on have their prestige and luxury reduced. Vacation days and freedoms for schedules are paired down to more normal levels, rare materials are redistributed, Housing Class is reduced. Even the mansions of the most noble families are not spared back on the Homeworld- their once exclusive and luxurious fields and glens specifically for their relaxation and closeness to the natural world are cut up and given to various housing or industrial projects, leading to a visual loss of prestige you can see on a map.”...It is strange to see another young Alpha being my own height, Jale. They all seem to tower over me now. Heh.””I am not a young Alpha, Sir. I would like to turn in this luxury to you personally.””Jale- you are giving me your family's only heirloom, the Red-Blade?!””My family is not noble. There are no heirlooms, only Azurium, too precious to be kept in this form. It would be much more valuable in a reactor, or a mining drill.””I agree. I praise your selflessness. For the Hegemony, then?””No, my Lord. For you.”
Unfortunately, the loss of status and prestige among your most valuable members of society is not without its other costs. The reward for excellence has been reduced- at least in the near future- to less tangible and more bland rewards. The shining examples of your society, those who would dazzle the commoners and instill the deep heriarchal thought that runs through your own society, creating and maintaining both the control of the Supreme Ruler as well as the drive and proof of hard work and good breeding being rewarded- have now been reduced.Despite it being such an internal and cultural affair- it doesn't take long for others to take notice. The Galactic Society of Aristocrats, your closest allies in your galactic neighborhood besides the mysteriously absent Seekers, have taken note of your shift towards a more equitable society. The common grounds you once had with them over high art and culture and praising the elite over the common and crass elements of your society is now gone; and the Aristocrats are laughing at you. If even the highest members of your society have no luxuries, no rarity to their lifestyles or type, less time and energy to devote to art and leisure, that speaks volumes for your entire culture. They now believe you a hollow culture of ruthless pragmatists; who would burn irreplaceable paintings of old masters for heat in an especially cold winter; having no instincts or drives beyond common results-based animals. You have taken a serious blow of prestige in their eyes, and interest in Jaxtian art, music, and culture among their society, one of the only ways you could get their attention, has dwindled significantly. While you still may be slightly more interesting then the boorish the Esaal and still slightly less offensive then the nouveau riche stench of the entire Consortium; you are just not as close as anymore. Even when the budget concerns end and a surplus is again regained, it will be impossible to regain the authentic nobility of your society. Oh well.
Year 54 of the Resurrection EraIt has been a little over 10 years since you began your weaponized Starseer program. During this time, the clones of Radjo Berax as well as a greater amount of normal Jaxtians for control purposes have been training to develop the abilities of Starsight.However, it seems the Radjo clones are no better at developing Starsight then the average Jaxtian, and those with eyes simply have a harder time trying to follow the development. It took the Jaxtian his entire life to develop the skill of course, but it was hoped with faster juvenile development and high-intesity training the ability would be gained faster. Signs and progress of development is currently very disappointing.”Grrr... Maktana, can you explain any of this?””We simply aren't sure, your Grace. It doesn't seem that Radjo is genetically more suited to developing Starsight then anyone else, nor are different developing brain structures helping either.””Then, how was he the first to develop it without being blind? How does any blind person develop it in the first place? What's the hormone or nerve-cell that controls it?””We don't know. It's still a mystery. Obviously some genetic traits or behaviors must lead to a higher rate of development, like patience or introspective thinking but...””Hmm?””It's like, the ones who become Starseers just... gain it. From thinking. Like they pass an invisible line, or almost like they make a choice. They've “earned” it. I hope that answer is satisfactory, my lord.””It is not. I expect better results from you, Maktana II.””Well, my lord, there is something we could do to potentially speed up the process. Radjo's memoirs indicated that his development of Starsight truly began in earnest when he “got over” a great feeling of inadequacy earlier in life, and it seems emotional or personal struggle and development can help trigger it in a sighted person. More specifically, overcoming ones own emotions or angst. Convalescence, if you will. It could be possible to jump-start the abilities of Starsight in the clones by forcing them to undergo extreme stress as a method of development. Since the Radjo clones aren't any better then the control group in development progress- we could put all of them through the ringer and see if we can salvage some into Starseers as they mature into adults. We could do it at minimal cost as well.””What if it doesn't work?””Well, then the clones would likely be traumatized and scarred for life. Some fruits ripen, and some fruits spoil, that is how it goes with children. Should I arrange it?”>Yes>No
>>5613216I mean, the Aristocrats are gross, but their assessment of us isn't WRONG. We are, increasingly, base pragmatists.>>5613214Jale Berax's life is really a sad and thankless one, isn't it?>>5613217>YesLet's salvage something from all this, at least. We aren't pure militarists, nor pure technocrats. This is an era of cultural revolution, so let's produce an icon for that revolution to strive towards: THE PERFECT RADJO.
>>5613217>Pissing off the people who turned our bro into a literal I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream instrumentGood.>>5613217>NoIf we hit Yes I 100% guarantee we'll have a Radjo school shooter in a decade. If it's not genetic, why don't we amp up recruitment for the Starseers in general? Maybe target otherwise useless citizens with poor gene scores?
>>5613217Nice to know that we’re getting off to a grand start.>Yes>>5613231If we were pragmatists, we would’ve taken a loan instead of shooting ourselves in the foot yet again.
>>5613217>Yes, but only to those willing to make the sacrificeDoes this mean that they're going to have to start cloning Kimas and make a cuck program?
>>5613243kek
>>5613243
>>5613243...Maybe. Would be a pretty trippy sequence and/or event in the history of a species to have tried to weaponize MGTOW energy through a series of clones existing only to reject one another in some factory that chews up depressed gibbons to make ascended psychic saviors.
>>5613217>No
>>5613217>>Yes
>>5613217Yes
>>5613217>>No
>>5613217>NoWhy, i can't possibly see how purposefully mentally torturing powerful psychics can go wrong. This is some anime-tier shit.I told you people it was uh, a stupid program.
>>5613411Eh- desu, while the reign of Bantam has been a train wreck, I can’t find it in myself to care. We’re clearly not going to war, so this is just another Angori, but without the success, as ironic as that is considering Agori’s mental instability. Maybe Eoba 3.0 will be better.
>>5613422Maybe we could go to war if people didn't just vote for the stupidest option every time
>>5613422>>5613424Can you both either go away or keep it down? Some of us are interested in actually playing the quest NOW.
>>5613460I'm interested in not voting for the retarded option that will extremely obviously backfire>just traumatize the psychics on purpose bro what could possibly go wrong
>>5613464Sorry you're losing.
>>5613468>you're losingThat would be the hegemony, since they're the ones who will get punished for the stupid votes
>>5613472You know that quest works by hurting our feeling since thread 1, right?
>>5613477We didn't vote so badly back then.
>>5613217>Yes
>>5613486Yeah, see, these here are the 'spite voters', the people who said they would actively vote for the bad options just to ruin the quest
>>5613217>NoThe Hegemony is too edgy for my taste as is. Torturing Child Soldiers to see if they get superpowers is a step to far for me
>>5613489Nah friend, I just think its funny, not the vote or anything, just the state weve come to from people getting so serious about a monkey game, the whole thing is fucking absurd and I love it, we gotta get like a good comprehensive timeline and just chuckle together at the story, if there a million banana fans im one, a thousand? Im there, 100? Youll see me at the front of class, 10? You better believe it, 1 banana fan? Its me, no banana fans? I must be dead!!!
>>5613505I believe purposefully voting for stupid actions because it's 'funny' is, quite literally, troll voting
>>5613510No, my vote is my vote and should be valued like everyone elses, if other anons have already laid out arguments that I can agree with or I just agree with the sentiment of the vote im going to pick it, whining about my vote wont do anything about me changing it, itll just cement you as a whiner in my eyes, not trolling just posted a gif with Bill Hader on an episode of SNL where in the moment he is trying not to laugh, assumedly because someone just said something funny like "Lets traumatize a bunch of baby monkey clones so they all hate women and can fly spaceships" Its pretty funny
>>5613472>>5613489I don't spite-vite to "ruin the quest". I'd never vote for an option where I wasn't interested to see the result, or what Bananas would do with it. I spite-vote only when my chosen vote is losing and I'm given a choice between supporting bitchy anons and regular, civil ones. My spite is reserved for a select few self-important players, not the QM, who is a saint for putting up with some of the whinging around here, or the quest, which is still very competently executed and largely enjoyable now that we're doing exciting sci-fi stuff more often again.>>5613517Poor Sunshine, the planet's sole altruist. Such is the hazard of being a working-class superhero, though. Maybe he SHOULD try marketing at least one of his inventions, though? I bet Kima would be willing to help fund him AND help better the HVS.
>>5613532>I spite-vote only when my chosen vote is losing and I'm given a choice between supporting bitchy anons and regular, civil onesSo yes, you spite-vote. The excuse doesn't matter as much as the fact that you're still just voting for an bad option solely to fuck things up because you don't like the anons who disagree with you.
>>5613549>bad option>solely to fuck things upAlmost literally the opposite of what I said, but okay. :)
I don’t imagine people going through a high amount of stress is that rare of a thing that we need to engineer to happen. Why don’t we try to look for when it happens organically and recruit from there? We could do this in different ways, like with the AI, perhaps therapists, or people could self report / volunteer, especially if we can let on that blindness isn’t strictly necessary.
>>5613563+1
>>5613231 Yes>>5613240 Yes>>5613243 Yes (with consent)>>5613295 Yes>>5613326 Yes>>5613486 Yes6 total>>5613239 No>>5613284 No>>5613372 No>>5613411 No>>5613504 No>>5613563 No (find stressed kids in the wild)>>5613767 No (find stressed kids in the wild)>>5613882 No8 total (assuming >>5613563 and >>5613767 are votes; neitehr tagged QM post)
>>5613424I doubt that, considering our supply lines are being attacked.>>5613516My thing isn’t so much an argument as it is an observation. We sacrificed a lot to clone these now useless clones, and I do believe that the moral option will just narrowly win, which effectively means we don’t get our RoI.Taken all together- as a Warguy, we voted for the culture reward, but to cover the cost of the Starsight cloning project, we had to effectively gut our culture of achievement and ruin the interest of our sole ally in our only export- said culture. And then, to get a RoI on Starsight, we learn that we have to commit an atrocity, which I don’t think the player base is up for.Bantam‘s reign has been enlightening, but not ‘base pragmatic’ or efficient/effective. It’s why I made the comparison to a less successful Agori.>>5613517Honestly makes me this people would’ve loved the incorporation of the Swalli- if only for the moral altruism they brought to the table.Maybe he should invent something minor that’ll improve QoL, just to keep the bottom line off his back?
>>5613953Even if we could/were given the option to meddle directly with the HVS, I strongly suspect the playerbase will fail to rally around doing anything that helps Sunshine and his son(shine) is it also makes life more pleasant for Razaar and Blazaar.
>>5613953The issue isnt the ethics of it. It's the extremely obvious backfire. I mean, come on "government program intentionally tortures the special psychic people to unlock their power", that sounds like it would come straight out of a sci-fi movie, it would backfire so much it's dumb anyone even considers it Tell me how that wouldn't turn sour when they unlocked their powers
>>5613962‘Son’shine? Eheheheh, sounds like the best Dad joke of them all!>>5613967I think they’ll take their aggression out on the Worms, but that’s a fair point. Either way, it will result in nothing gained for the cost- a self-made loss, effectively.
>>5613967Maybe they'd take over the government and institute a spiritually-centred new age of supermonke leadership.
>>5613217>NoThis 110% will backfire on us. Knew a weaponised program would fail. Let’s stop it now and refocus the research into a non-starseer way of FTL travel I’m also sad that we lost the nobility of our society - we should’ve taken the loan from the HVS.
>>5613992More likely they'd go full columbine on our asses.
>>5613217>No. Use what we know about their true goals in life on psychological level and help them achieve those goals instead.>>5612573Nice.
>>5614070Damn, this seems like a way better alternative than child soldier torture, but it's so late I don't think it'll help. If it's any matters, my vote >>5613411 will go to this IF it doesn't mean giving "Yes" a victory.
>>5614070Changing my vote to this
>>5614070I think you misunderstand- Starsight isn’t produced from having people achieve ‘true goals’, it’s born from mental instability and suffering psychologically, and the process of mental stabilization (ie getting over it).Helping them achieve goals is meaningless- it’s the physiological pressure and trauma that results in Starsight.
>>5614150I'm pretty sure it's getting over their psychological hurdles that helps them achieve starsight.
>>5614150I'm voting Yes still but this is very much speculation at this point.
>>5614153I disagree- the Coomer-Pod Loser had major psychological hurdles, but would never achieve Starsight- it’s born of trauma, and getting over that.>>5614156Speculation and debate, yes. But if Starsight was as simple as Psychotic Help, we’d have way more natural Starseers than we do now.That, or our efforts to purge mental instability from the gene pool may have hindered natural Starsight development, which is an interesting notion.
>>5614162Psychiatric* Help, not Psychotic. Fucking autocorrect.
Sure a lot of late votes this time around...
>>5614162>I disagree- the Coomer-Pod Loser had major psychological hurdles, but would never achieve StarsightIf he somehow got past it, yes actuallyRadjo got his starsight by getting over his childhood friend crush. Not exactly 'deep trauma'
You decide against traumatizing the young Starseer clones- it's probably going to cause more harm then good. Besides, you have a hunch that's not exactly how Starsight actually works. Over the next few years- research slowly develops and collects over the topic of Starsight. The first time your society is trying to actually manufacture these mystics on mass and in force is enlightening- and equal parts frustrating.As it turns out, traumatic experiences or heightened emotions do not help develop Starsight. The decision to not employ it as a tactic to “toughen up” the Radjo clones was the correct choice. Even overcoming trauma and tough early-life experiences don't necessarily equate to higher levels of the ability either. But this leads to further questions; as the Radjo clones don't really have a higher rate of Starsight, sighted or otherwise, among the general population. After all, not all blind people can become Starseers anyway, that has been known for a long time. This also leads to the unnerving realization that there are no genetic markers or eugenic path to cultivate more Starseers. Certain traits certainly help, like self-introspection or humility, patience, and it is also associated with but not predicated on a high level of intelligence. In fact, overly analytical and logical thinking is associated with a lack of Starsight ability, meaning those with a more intuitive and emotional thought process are more likely to develop it then the most intelligent members of your species. This “spiritualist” angle to Starsight is making waves in the scientific community and becoming a bit of a touchy subject among your cabinet. It isn't exactly illegal to discuss, simply strongly frowned upon- the Hegemony correctly labels all spiritual and magical thinking as a societal flaw and, at best, a coping mechanism towards beings too primitive to apply energy to further its own goals. Those who view Starsight as an insight to a neglected aspect of Jaxtian psychology are quickly silenced; but cautious study on the subject continues.Year 55 of the Resurrection EraAn unexpected FTL energy signature pops up in the RG-2 System- the star system orbiting the unnamed red giant star on the border between the Hegemony and the Consortium. It is detected as being a small automated probe. This star system was unclaimed territory at a long distance from the Hegemony; the last unclaimed stars within your local galactic neighborhood. While not harboring any life giving planets or any useful tactical position; one small toxic-atmosphere'd planet around this star did have Azurium, making it a valuable resource.The mining outpost is only very lightly defended; but the probe is not hostile. It began to relay a message through laser emissions, direct data transfer, and even audio sound over the atmosphere of the planet- despite it being in deep space. Strange. As though it really wants to be heard.
“ATTENTION! You are illegally mining on a planet owned by the Galax Mining Corporation! Within this message is encoded the property license information. The Galax Mining Corporation is a protected entity within Consortium space; you are illegally squatting and extracting Azurium deposits purchased and legally protected by a Consortium Corporation. You will cease immediately and leave this space.”Your mining foreman and administrator of the tiny colony is overwhelmed and doesn't know what to do, simply relaying the message back to Hegemonic Control and letting the authority take over. That's where you come in.”Can't you see the signal beacon? This is a rightful Hegemony Colony; we were here first.”“The “Hegemony” is not a recognized political or business entity. You are illegally squatting on private property. Leave immediately. The Galax Mining Corporation will be accompanied by Consortium security forces. You will be expelled by force if you do not comply. No further replies will be sent, and this probe will repeat this message until you comply.” The probe replies instantly, unblinkingly.”Threes, could you hack this probe and make it blow itself up, please? I'm tired of this.”“May I do it with pleasure, Sir?””You may.”*KABOOM!*So that's the way it's going to be, huh? It seems the Consortium, not recognizing your nationhood underneath the worms and their influence, is muscling in on your territory. It's obvious that they knew you were here- this colony was taken and established under Wrix, they had to have seen your signals broadcasting your ownership. This wasn't a secret colony, like the way the Esaal tried it in Baalathi space. They know you are here and are simply ignoring it.The trouble is, you can't exactly just leave this colony. This is where you are mining much needed Azurium for the great city project- your current long term empire goal. You can't lose this colony. What are you going to do?>Set a trap for them; including your new Stealth-Crusiers>Make a show of force to scare them away>Place a token guard as to not weaken your position elsewhere; in case this is a trap
>>5613950Updating the totals!>>5613231 Yes>>5613240 Yes>>5613243 Yes (with consent)>>5613295 Yes>>5613326 Yes>>5613486 Yes>>5614152 Yes>>5614165 Yes {1post}8 total, 7 without 1post IDs>>5613239 No>>5613284 No>>5613372 No>>5613411 No X (Later changed to variant)>>5613504 No = >>5613504 (find stressed kids in the wild) X (Later changed to a variant)>>5613563 No {1post}>>5613767 No (find stressed kids in the wild)>>5613882 No>>5614002 No {1post}7 total (assuming >>5613563 is a vote; never tagged QM post); 5 without 1post IDs, 4 without the maybe-vote>>5614070 No BUT keep the program going without the evil bits {1post}>>5614097 No BUT...>>5614096 No BUT...3 total, though they should probably count towards "No" in the event of a tie given the voters' previous leanings; 2 without 1post IDs
>>5614182>Set a trap for them; including your new Stealth-CrusiersTime for war.It seems we were all wrong- it’s based on spiritual philosophy. So the Weaponization program is a failure- we simply needed more population to brute force the issue.
>>5614182Oops, was too late. Ah well, "No" seems to have had it.>Set a trap for them; including your new Stealth-Crusiers
>>5614182THIS IS A TRAPThey know we wouldn't leave - why would they bother with "sending messages"? This feels like a trap. I dont want to possibly lose the chance to give them a surprise with our stealth cruisers in a big battle over an obvious trap...
>>5614191Hate to be that guy (not really)...buuutI told you so.
Maybe a quick and dirty solution is to combine Mitigator/Swalli-Shark genetics, and train them into Starsight attack dogs. The abomination that is now the Swalli Homeworld could be an inexpensive way to ‘farm’ them, if it proves viable.>>5614202Then clearly you should choose the token guard force option.
>>5614203lol, you were wrong too dude. It isn’t overcoming psychological hurdles- it’s literally just embracing a spiritualist cult that get ya the abilities. We’re probably better off ignoring the issue or forbidding it entirely.
>>5614204I'm waiting to see if someone has a plan I'm just telling people though, this seems like a trap.
>>5614213I was right about the weaponization program being a waste of money, which it literally was
>>5614213>cultA cult without organized dogma? I don't know... It's just having a spiritualist, intuitive mindset, I think.Female Jaxtians may be better suited to it, I guess?
>>5614215Uhh, the options are the plan dude.>>5614217Eh- while it definitely had it’s costs, it being a financial waste is fucking funny when we can create money outta thin air.>>5614218That’s how all cults start, before they become organized and dogmatic- you literally seeing the creation of it as we speak.>spoilerThat would’ve been apparent from start of the program, methinks.
>>5614182>Place a token guard as to not weaken your position elsewhere; in case this is a trap
>>5614223>That’s how all cults start, before they become organized and dogmatic- you literally seeing the creation of it as we speak.Then fold it into the cult of the Supreme. Go full Roman Emperor and syncretize that shit!>That would’ve been apparent from start of the program, methinks.Would it? We made and trained a hundred Radjos, but no Kimas, did we? And the Hegemony's AI is, rightly or wrongly (not interested in THAT debate) programmed to be sexist in the sense of encouraging women to focus on their husbands and children rather than their own career or self-actualization through self-reflective spirituality.
Sexism is wrong .>Set a trap for them; including your new Stealth-Crusiers
>>5614232>Then fold it into the cult of the SupremeCan’t- it’s antithetical to the core ideology of the Hegemony.And I was referring to the Starsight Program in general- like, Tetak was exploring every theory, and Starsight itself started under Eoba II- surely it would’ve came up naturally by now.
>>5614218I doubt it. It seems to be a more male thing, if anything. Even if females are more "emotional", that doesn't really mean they're suitable to being space monks.Also, do we really want to deal with our own Bene Gesserit?
>>5614248>the core ideology of the HegemonyIt's whatever the Supreme says it is. Akule became the Unspeakable after essentially a spiritual experience, and our government rewrites history as we see fit. Plus, our populace is literally INCAPABLE of rebellion. if we have discovered mysticism has real and tangible effects, we can add it to our science curriculum and DARE anyone to say shit about it.>surely it would’ve came up naturally by nowit might have, but only in very rare cases QM hasn't explored... or else, Tetak and the government's biases were such that they literally refused to consider the possibility, and the AI steered every possible female away from it. I wouldn't put it past the Hegemony. It IS a dystopian state, much of the time.
I guess I found have waited another 8-12 hours to post the last update since you guys were still talking about the Spiritualism stuff. It's literally free content. Oh well, wanted to post something "important" for Friday.
>>5614182>>Set a trap for them; including your new Stealth-Crusiers
>>5614259>It's whatever the Supreme says it isNope- Masked!Cijan didn’t win bro. Also, we shouldn’t rely on Obedience being a crutch.As for Starseer women, you’d think they’d be present in the Starspace if they did develop the ability.>>5614304No biggie, I like updating quickly.
>>5614329>we shouldn’t rely on Obedience being a crutchI respect your opinion, but what's the point of going through such contentious rigmarole to win that as our prize for surviving the turmoil... And then not using it when it counts?Also, isn't it incredibly unscientific to deny spiritualism matters and has real merit when... We can now empirically verify it?
>>5614329Bananas clarified we have loyalty and obedience bonuses out the ass since we took the nuclear option, for the rest of the quest,>>56116591 not thread, I believe we should crutch away at least for awhile while our word is god
>>5611659>>5614391Whoops mistype
>>5614182>>Place a token guard as to not weaken your position elsewhere; in case this is a trap
>>5614182>Place a token guard as to not weaken your position elsewhere; in case this is a trap>>5614186Please stop telling bananas what you think misc votes should be counted towards. You don't know what influenced each anon's actions and you're effectively swinging votes if he takes it into account.t.>>5614070If I was to support either Yes or No option on top of my "let's try without trauma", I'd support Yes, because I wanted Starsight. However, since I didn't specify, my vote counted towards neither, not what (You) assumed.
>>5614416>Please stop telling bananas what you think misc votes should be counted towardsIf someone votes 'No, but', then it follows that one would guess that they'd prefer 'No' over 'Yes'
>>5614182>Set a trap for them; including your new Stealth-Crusiers
>>5614202It probably has to do with how tgey operate. Unlike the Esaal, I don’t think their people would be fine with them just operating with military impunity. I think this is plainly them trying to justify a conflict.
>>5614182>Make a show of force to scare them awayI don’t want to unveil our trump card right off the bat like the Esaal did so the Consortium can develop countermeasures.
>>5614182>Make a show of force to scare them away
>>5614416>Stop telling Bananas what you thinkNah. Clarify your own votes better. Otherwise, if I tally I will infer as I like, and Bananas can conclude for himself of I am right or wrong.
>>5614182>Place a token guard as to not weaken your position elsewhere; in case this is a trapThese uppity fuckers are just a distraction, for unlike them, the Essals are united and more driven. Our antimatter torpedoes have the name of Essal Battleships on them, not of Consortium corporations.
Premise 1: All Migrators are capable of starsightConclusion: There is a method of guaranteeing starsight. Likely genetic, but possibly a combination of genes, environment, and culture. Premise 2: There are not enough resources on hand to do a full starsight research program on the Migrators.Solution 1: Clone a few migrators to see if the cloning process is incompatible with starsight. Solution 2: Clone a few migrators off-world to see if Caplit or the social training of other migrators is needed for them to generate starsight. Solution 3: Allow a selection of artists and zoologists passionate about learning about Migrators and starsight to go to Caplit, study the Migrator song, and learn from them about how to best swim through space.
>>5614981I like this idea quite a bit.
>>5614981good ideas
>>5614482>>5614600>I will steal your votes because I'm a fucking moron and it's your fault!!!
>>5615003>Umm 'No' doesn't actually mean 'No' sweaty, you did a stealO.KThe vote is over, so it does not matter.
>>5615005>your vote means NO because I said it does>it doesn't matter now so it won't matter when it happens again
>>5615039Again, it's literally in the vote, 'No'now stop filling up the thread
>>5615039>>5615003>stealI was a "Yes" voter. Calm your tits or clarify your points. I'm just trying to be helpful, anon. Why do you have to make it weird?
>>5615042Again, the vote wasn't for no, it was for less cruel measures if and you're jumping through the hoops, doing all these mental gymnastics to tell yourself that my fucking vote means what some random thinks of it.Now stop filling up the thread, reddit space.
>>5615074ok retard, no means yes
>>5615074Okay, but both the other "No, but..." voters were former "No" voter and one explicitly said they didn't want Yes to win, so... No still won, and my interpretation was based on that. I'm sorry I upset you, anon. Yes still lost, and turned out to be the wrong answer anyway.
>>5614981The clones of Radjo rule out that it's a genetic feature, and it's also most likely not a state of mind since emotions and trauma don't increase the chances. Though I do agree we have to closely study the Migrators. Also see if cloning them influences starlight at all.
Current VotesTrap- 5Place token Guard- 5Show of Force- 2I have to give this one longer because it's tied.>>5614600>>5615003>>5615039Please stop being gay. That vote had several bad write ins or vague votes that were up to interpretation. I still went with the majority and double checked to make sure beancounter wasn't "stealing" the update with his interpretations, but I agreed with most of them.
>>5615233Fuck it, will change vote (>>5614194) to>Place a token guard as to not weaken your position elsewhere; in case this is a trapJust to move things along.
>>5615237I don't have time to update right now desu so I'm going to give it another 8 to 12 hours. Thank you for your patience.
>>5615249No worries. IRL comes first.
>>5614182>Place a token guard as to not weaken your position elsewhere; in case this is a trapyeah them even sending us a message is suspicious.this could be a set up dont know if it was a good idea blowing up the probe as it could be used as evidence
>>5614182>Place a token guard as to not weaken your position elsewhere; in case this is a trapPlus 1 stealth cruiser lurking in the shadows - just in case.
>>5614182>Place a token guard as to not weaken your position elsewhere; in case this is a trapAaaand like another anon said:Plus 1 stealth cruiser lurking in the shadows - just in case.
>>5616298+1(I am >>5613239)
>>5616298+1 about having a single stealth cruiser, i'm >>5614202If it's not a trap and they just send some small force, our antimatter missiles can wipe them out. If it's a trap, the stealth cruiser can leave.
I vote for setting up a trap.
You have decided to leave a guard at the mining installation. You will take the threat at face value; but won't upset your entire economy or military patrol to deal with it. After all, this could be a trap if a powerful weapon is brought along that could wipe out an entire space fleet- or perhaps a diversion, and the real attack is set to be somewhere else. Even worse, someone so obsessed with economics could literally set up a fake probe like this just to waste starship fuel and increase your costs as a form of economic sabotage. While that doesn't sound like a large impact; you wouldn't put it past them.However, within the year, a disturbance in Hyperspace indicates something is coming. FTL signatures show multiple ships; one large cruiser and several smaller frigates- likely outfitted with mining equipment.”Three, hack that ship.”Instantly, the AI network sends transmissions of all wavelengths to the opposing ships, finding and exploiting weaknesses in its computer system. Almost immediately, the ship relents- giving access to nonessential files and information while switching off its automatic and AI controlled systems and giving manual control to those within, so it is not completely useless. Looks like the Consortium know better then to keep their ships totally automated. It is unfortunate the ship's AI was able to catch on so quickly; you'd like to get an intact computer core to see exactly how its works...Examining the ship's data, you get a quick look and rundown at its specifics. Basic high-energy laser weapons, a few weaker fusion cores and a backup fission-battery to try and make up for their lack of a Tier 2 Fusion core like you have, standard shield array. They seem to be at a disadvantage in terms of military technology and strength.”Look at this- such a rudimentary lack of basic backup systems and quality in their construction and design. They don't even have a second bridge or life support system; and yet despite this there is a room aboard that... serves entirely as a holographic entertainment chamber? Rundown on the programs installed?”“The assets are mostly based on fictional settings and less-than realistic simulations. Only a few are training programs. It appears to mostly be designed for entertainment.””Holy shit, capitalists are such a joke. This is going to be easy. Move in and destroy them.”
Combat RulesYou require 100% total to win the battle. Every additional percentage point is your chance to destroy any useful salvage or captives. Each ID gets one roll. Each ID can nullify one roll; your own or another, by replying to it and typing “Nullify”. This can be done on a follow up post.Only rolls made replying to this post will count.All rolls are d50. The highest 4 unnullified rolls will be used.You can roll by typing “dice+1d50” in the options bar before you post.You have exactly 12 hours until all votes & rolls are closed.>Roll
Rolled 36 (1d50)>>5616555Yeah, there was no reason for a big fleet. Using our stealth cruiser would have just revealed it too early.
Rolled 19 (1d50)>>5616555
Rolled 31 (1d50)>>5616560Yikes>Nullify
>>5616561Don't be too quick to nullify. You might need that small roll later.
Rolled 6 (1d50)>>5616555
>>5616561You can't roll twice, stoopid
Rolled 24 (1d50)>>5616555
>>5616564It was on accident bro, chill.
>>5616563Nullify
Rolled 19 (1d50)Coordination? Finesse?
6516555Since I don't want the confusion of the 31:>>5616561>NullifyWe are currently at: 36 + 24 + 19 + 6 = 85. I recommend no spending your nullifies until a perfect 100 emerges, then posting the perfect combo and nullify the undesirable rolls.
Nobody else roll unless called upon, you will volunteer before you roll to prevent waste.Want me to roll, or should I wait lads?
There's little benefit to holding off on rolls. I say let everyone roll, then correct afterword with nullification (can make a list of the lines to nullify then have people nullify one by one).
Rolled 7 (1d50)>>5616555
Rolled 10 (1d50)>>5616555ayylmao
Rolled 7 (1d50)>>5616555Highest 4, right?
>>5616577the 19 got nullified by the anon who rolled it jumping the gun
>>5616577>>5616588as did the 6 actually lol, stop nullifying, people
Rolled 16 (1d50)>>5616555
>>5616557 36>>5616561 31 (67)>>5616565 24 (91)Do we need a 9, or are we missing something?
>>5616593the 31 doesn't count, that was his second roll
>>5616594He nullified the first one though, or does that not count?
>>5616595>Each ID gets one roll
>>5616597Ah, thanks.>>5616557 36>>5616565 24 (60)>>5616572 19 (79)Need a 21.
Rolled 33 (1d50)>>5616555
>>5616555Rolling
>>5616555
Rolled 15 (1d50)>>5616555
>>5616557 36>>5616565 24 (60)>>5616606 33 (93)>>5616582 7 (100)Stop rolling, nullify everything else bros. We did it.
>>5616560 Nullified>>5616561 Second roll disqualified>>5616572 Nullified (I use mine)>>5616586 Needs Nullification>>5616590 Needs Nullification>>5616611 Needs NullificationThe rest are under the threshold.
>>5616586Nullify
>>5616590>Nullify
>>5616565NullifyFuqq u niqqas
>>5616673>One post by this ID
