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The Grail War continues, and you've already managed to save almost half of your corrupted allies. Things are going well!

You are Shinji Makiri, Ten years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.

To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have shifted the future away from the one that you once would have faced and instead onto one of uncertainty and chaos.

The Fifth Holy Grail War lies ahead of you, and the challenge and danger it represents to you, the people you care for and the world itself is far greater than you could have ever predicted. Though the grail might be corrupted and the war itself might be a sham, the stakes couldn't be higher.

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"You know, we might be taking this a little far, in a way, she could be called your sister, Sakura." As entertaining as the prospect of continuing to bully BB is, there's really not much point to it. There's not really much you can say that will probably make her feel worse about the situation as it is anyway. After all, she's been stripped of all of her powers, taken from her original world, and forced to work by somebody with motives that even she cannot possibly begin to comprehend. It's no wonder that she's nowhere near the sort of teasing prankster she normally is. Hell, the one time she tried something like that, she was immediately punished for it by being slapped against a stone wall. Though Sakura did at least make sure not to use so much force as to actually properly hurt BB.

"My sister? Her?" Sakura looks at BB incredulously. "Are you sure about that, Onii-chan? I know that she... almost looks just like me, but didn't you say that she's an AI?" Sakura doesn't sound like she agrees with your sudden assertion that BB should be treated as a sister, but it's honestly the best way you can think of dealing with BB. After all, for all of BB's bluster, she doesn't actually hate humanity nearly as much as she says she does, and having somebody like Sakura to treat her with kindness to try to set her on the right path might just be the thing that the girl needs to develop herself. It's not like she's really had much of a chance to do so before. Hell, you're pretty sure she even envies some of the Alter-Ego for their further development while she has mostly remained unchanged since her conception, though she's chilled out just a little, thankfully.

"Well, a fully sentient AI indistinguishable from a human in her level of sapience, sure. In fact, as she is now, I believe she may actually have been given a full human body by Nyarlathotep. Though seemingly one without magic circuits, then again, I doubt BB would know how to use Magic Circuits anyway, apparently. it's all about... what was it... Spiritron Hacking...? In the future." Honestly, when it comes to magical principles, BB shouldn't be very good at even figuring out the basics. Of course, the more advanced stuff can sort of be translated from both what she can do in a digital realm to what is generally possible with magecraft, but the basic knowledge of how to properly use Magic Circuits is something that BB probably doesn't have. Which is hilarious. If you had to compare it to something, it wouldn't simply be that she learned how to run before she could walk, it would be more like learning how to perform advanced acrobatics instead of learning how to walk instead. "Of course, it's really up to BB how she feels about this too."
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"Really? You're... really going to offer me something like that?" BB sounds a little bit surprised by your sudden offer of kinship to Sakura. You don't know why she's that surprised though, while you may have originally had some dislike for her, she should've already realized that you seem to have a weakness to those who share Sakura's face and in her case, aspects of her personality. You just don't seem to find yourself capable of holding negative emotions about them for very long.

"Of course. While I'm very much aware of just what you have done and are very much capable of doing, I'm not going to hold your past actions against you if you actually promise to be good for now on, at least for the duration of your stay in my world." You don't really care what BB gets up to in other timelines, those are a very much 'out of sight, out of mind' situation for you. After all, you can't really bring yourself to care for all the other timelines, especially when your version of Alaya doesn't either. After all, there are some timelines that are simply doomed, and there's nothing you can do for them without outright going there to fix them yourself, and while that does sound like it might be interesting, it also sounds like it could be a royal pain in the ass. No, if you're going to ever explore other timelines, it will really only be for your own amusement. After all, so long as your own timeline is fine, there's really nothing that events from other branches could do to effect you. There are a very limited amount of ways that things in other worlds could affect you, and seeing as the Incineration of Mankind and the destruction of Earth's Texture were limited to only the timelines of the worlds of Grand Order, you don't really feel like you'll need to concern yourself with playing timeline police. Well, maybe if Alaya asked you really nicely, you might.

"Didn't you say this was my choice, Onii-chan?" Sakura sounds a little bit put-out by how you're taking command of the situation, and you frown a little bit.

"I did, Sakura, but I don't really want you to mistreat BB here, she's not exactly had the opportunity to have many life experiences, after all. It might be nice if she were to actually be given the opportunity to be able to live a somewhat normal life, outside of all the nonsense that takes place within the Moon Cell." Really, it's not a bad offer, all things considered. It's also not at all like she'd be able to live a normal life if she returned to Chaldea either, considering that Chaldea only really exists in the first place because human life in that world... doesn't really exist anymore.
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"Mmmm... Fine. If that's how you want it to be, how about this! I'll treat BB as my sister in private, while when we're out and about, she'll take the role of a puppet of myself that was designed to act as a maid!" Sakura claps her hands together happily as she makes her declaration. "Wouldn't it be easier to explain things like that to everyone, Onii-chan?" Sakura turns to you with a pleading expression on her face. Looks like the idea of treating BB like a sister has given her another idea for some strange reason. How strange. "She'd be my own sister that nobody else knew about!" Well, other than the fact that every non-magical person would make the assumption immediately. You really don't want to spend any more time than you have to on dealing with this though.

>"OK, Sakura. I think that'll work fine."
>"No, BB deserves to be given a little more respect than that."
>"BB, what do you think about that arrangement?"
>Write-in...
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>>4729480
nice shiny OP image, is that motherfuckin Cu i see in the background? That's foreboding

>>4729485
>"BB, what do you think about that arrangement?"
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Who's that behind the op image?
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>>4729494
Cu.
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>>4729485
>"OK, Sakura. I think that'll work fine."
Yep, I think it will.
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>>4729485
>"OK, Sakura. I think that'll work fine."

>>4729492
>>4729494
Yeah kinda looks like it
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>>4729494
Its Lancer in Hollow Ataraxia, I would pull up the image but the wiki won't let me, just look it up on his wiki page
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>>4729485
>"BB, what do you think about that arrangement?"
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>>4729485
>>"BB, what do you think about that arrangement?"
We should get BB to teach us Spiritron Hacking at some point. Magic that can be sent over phones and emails that doesn't degrade would be awesome.
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>>4729494
>>4729496
>Cu Alter
Have Ayaka take off her glasses infront of him and he'll be cured of grail mud like what happened with SAlter Proto. Her otome powers are strong enough to clean Grail corruption on her male love interests guys.
>>4729485
>"OK, Sakura. I think that'll work fine."
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>>4729485
>"OK, Sakura. I think that'll work fine."
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>>4729508
I don't think he's true Alter, just pushed to become a Berserker. Bazett would be able to sort him out, if we cured her before him.
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now that we have an excuse to talk about Cu cause of the OP image, I think its gonna be like a Medusa situation where Manaka combined multiple servant classes of Cu (Caster, Berserker, Lancer, Saber, Rider, Archer apparently) into one. I think someone said he was fused with Odin, i don't think that's true, i think he's tapping into his Odin powers that are innate in him, especially when he's a Caster. Kinda surprised that Shuten didn't turn into Ibuki-douji, I guess Manaka thought it was too much or that she couldn't be controlled.

>>4729508
He's gonna be a bitch to fight because we weren't close like we were with Medusa or Shuten, I genuinely think we might have to get Ayaka to distract him. Unironically, that was how his friends would get him to stop when he Warp Spasm rampaged, they'd get a pretty girl to flash him so it buys them enough time to get him under control
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>>4729512
A raven landed on Cu when he died. I don't think it's Odin, or that he has more than one classes combined. Medusa was special, there's a reason God sent us after her specifically.
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The next few scenes ought to be fun to write.
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>>4729485
>"OK, Sakura. I think that'll work fine."
>"BB, what do you think about that arrangement?"
I`ll go with both since while I think Sakura`s idea is fine for now it is rather important to ask BB for consent just to cement it in the good spirit.
Not that BB could refuse us here.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/lkw9xm/summary_of_the_caster_cu_chulainnodin_theory/
apparently there's a theory that Caster Cu isn't Cu at all but Odin

>>4729519
Cu was taught Odin's Runes by Scathach which were millions of times more powerful than the Celtic ones
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>>4729485
>"OK, Sakura. I think that'll work fine."
>"BB, what do you think about that arrangement?"
>headpat both girls
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>>4729492
>>4729485
>>4729528
switching to this, this is the superior and patrician choice
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>>4729528
>headpat both girls
Supporting this too. At the same time as well.
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>>4729525
Yes, I don't deny Cu is connected with Odin. I just don't think it's him. Could be Caster Cu, I suppose, instead of Berserker, but I think it's less likely than Berserker. And being both at the same time even more so.
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Calling in 30 minutes.
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>>4729538
we need to headpat illya too.
shame all this shit is happening at once, i want to chill with all of then.
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>>4729535
I think him being combined with his Caster and Berserker selves would make him a monster. His runes are absurd and Warp Spasm would force our hand and make it so we HAVE to deal with him
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>>4729485
>>4729528
Support.
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>>4729485
>>4729504
>>4729528
I can't resist giving headpats. Switching to this.
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>>4729541
We need to give Kerry his body back so he can headpat her too.
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>>4729509
Switching to this>>4729528
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>>4729496
Fuckin Cu Alter is a fucking threat, he's a goddamn menace
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>>4729485
>>4729528
+1
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Can you believe that we've now had more threads post hiatus than we had pre-hiatus?
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>>4729614
Nice milestone. Feels like it was yesterday.
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>>4729614
You're probably the most active QM I've seen.
Good on you.
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>>4729614
you write a lot and people argue a lot
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>>4729619
I've seen more active. Before the dark times, before /qst/.
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We have rune magecraft we never use. Does anyone know what Shinji can use that for because why use truth when something else can be used at a lower cost.

Also can we add truth or concepts to runes or what they produce. For example fire rune then add the concept of anti-god or god eating to do damage on Orochi. Does anyone know if this is possible?

Plus can we create an anti-divine/dragon bounded field using truth? How long would that take to setup? Should we use it as a trap?
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>>4729485
>"BB, what do you think about that arrangement?"

How didn't think BB would flip so fast from a little kindness. Also does Sakura have a weird fetish or does she somehow know Shinji's maid fetish?
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>>4729614
Yeah, I can. With Elegy not being active, you went full force on Paradox Reincarnator.

>>4729625
The Age of Gods is long gone, unfortunately.
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>>4729626
comparing primoradial runes and the runes we know is like comparing a nuke and a fire cracker. You do have a solid idea with the bounded fields though, our bounded fields are supposed to be abusrd

>>4729629
both, Sakura loves bullying people and she's a caring sister
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>>4729625
Tell us a story of the good old times, grandpa.

>>4729626
We used rune magic to track down Candle-Kun in that basement. It has the drawback that it takes time to setup, and we usually don't have time when we're casting.

I suppose we could add Truth to runes, but why use a Truth infused fire rune when we can just use Truth fire instead? We did just that to clear Sakura from worms.

Bounded fields take time to setup. We can use it as a trap, but we'll have to lure our opponent to a prepared field. And I don't think we can hide the existence of a bounded field.
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>>4729614
Yes, all your pre hiatus work was while multi-questing.
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>>4729636
I'm not comparing prime runes, I'm just saying we could add truth to them or their result. My example was casting the fire rune and use truth to add a concept like anti-divine or devour to hurt Orochi without using truth rays.
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>>4729634
It's mostly just that I have more time to write nowadays.
When I finally return to Elegy, it'll probably have the same pace as this quest.
Though I'm not certain whether I should reboot or do a pseudo-sequel for Elegy.
Elegy did plod around for a while, and the early parts of the quest could've done with far more planning than they actually had.
While I didn't end up writing myself into a corner, there were definitely a few things I probably could and should have done differently.
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>>4729638
It's something I like to call the Casting Time Dilemma, where anything that can't be cast while a Noble Phantasm is flying at your face is infinitely less viable than something you can.
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>>4729638
The reason is truth fire takes more energy, so if we can add properties to regular fire at a lower cost it's more fuel efficient. It's stuff I've been thinking of since we had magical boy Shinji. We couldn't use truth beams because they require charge up and attacks normally using truth tire Shinji out.

So far the constant use of truth that works is the sword. Which makes Shinji a close range combatant. We need some ranged skills.

Also why do we use truth swords instead of pulsing truth in h2h or creating gauntlets?
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>>4729647
Wait can we not use magic energy to write out runes like Cu? Shit?
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>>4729648
>Also why do we use truth swords instead of pulsing truth in h2h or creating gauntlets?
Different forms of manifested truth have different properties depending on what you manifest unless you want to spend the extra time and energy defining the concepts for whatever you manifest.
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>>4729652
Also swords are cool.
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>>4729650
Every time we've made a Rune, it was with physical material.
We don't have any kind of magecraft that would allow us to draw runes with magical energy, and Touko either doesn't have that kind of thing either, or for some reason decided we didn't need the massive advantage of being able to create Runes without material or a surface.
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>>4729650
This is why it was suggested in the early threads to take up smoking like Touko. So we can use lit cigarettes to trace runes.
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Let's do what Lancer Cu or his master does with runes. Use them on our clothes to boost ourselves or add effects.

Also create some rune rocks that are buffed using truth to get around cast time.

Maybe make some rocks that when placed around the area forms an anti-divine bounded field. Failing that maybe the casters can help create a bounded field that is easily hidden.
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>>4729629
Sakura still has a dark side in our timeline, as a result of the 8 years of torture she suffered. And thanks to us, she's never had to confront it, or come to terms with it. I'm not saying it's a bad thing we saved her from that, just something we should keep in mind.

>>4729647
Yeah, pretty much.

>>4729648
Casting time is serious drawback. We can use the first line of our Aria to reduce the mana cost of Truth if we want to. The drawback is revealing the presence of our unfinished Reality Marble, and I'm not sure how much we should care about that.

It's a shame we never trained archery. Truth-infused arrows would have been nice.

>>4729655
picrel
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>>4729648
swords are cool
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>>4729656
Touko usually uses a cigarette to trace a rune in the air if she needs one.
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>>4729656
she can do it while with a lit cigarette
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Damn can our kaledostick speed up the casting then? I'm pretty sure theyake spell circles, even if the rune idea isn't viable in normal mode.
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>>4729661
>And thanks to us, she's never had to confront it, or come to terms with it.
Idk how she can really confront it beyond us making sure that Zouken is deader than dead. She’s reunited with her sister, she has friends and she’s taken care of, don't know what else we can do
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>>4729659
>or his master
Oh shit, completely forgot about Scáthach last thread. She's definitely as popular as Jeanne, Astolfo.and Nero.
Kinda surprised people didn't mention her before. She's usually the first people wanna waifu.
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>>4729673
we did talk about her, we just don't really have any way at the moment to calling her, i think.
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>>4729673
You know what's funny, I meant Bazett not Scathach.

Also damn Shinji is a physical juggernaut but when it comes to projecting magecraft long range he's kinda shit. Truth requires too much energy to really become a ranged threat unless we can figure out a workaround.
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>>4729673
I would 100% want her summoned but we can't, she's technically still alive in the Land of Shadows so you can't summon her unless you pull some bullshit like Mordred summoning Morgan or Olga summoning Merlin
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After this if we have time we should go to the reverse side to get a dragon to ride and maybe see if Scaryach would like to train mc.
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>>4729663
That's badass
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>>4729685
Scathatch isn't in the reverse side of the world.
She's Outside of the World.
Reaching her would require a pathway that could otherwise be used to reach the Root.
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>>4729685
We have a dragon to ride.
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>>4729672
In HF she confronts her darkness by succumbing to it, and only in the end does she truly accept herself and moves past it. We obviously don't want that to happen here. I hope killing Zouken with her will help (which is why I wanted us to wait until the chopper got here before we confronted him), but what will help more is if we actually sit down and try talking to her in private. We kinda took her for granted after we saved her.

>>4729673
We did bring her up in an older thread. WhatIs said summoning her from where she currently would be extremely difficult.

>>4729685
We already have a dragon to ride, anon.

And did Google just crap out for anyone else?
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>>4729696
I don't think we want to ride our daughter into battle.
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>>4729690
What does she even do there? She can't leave, right?´
Also I know almost all magi want to reach the Root, but what exactly do they hope to find there?
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>>4729698
Why? I think we very much do.
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>>4729699
>but what exactly do they hope to find there?
everything.
anything
The Truth
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>>4729696
>WhatIs said summoning her from where she currently would be extremely difficult.
Yeah we'd basically have to incarnate Cu and give him the means to summon Scathach


>but what will help more is if we actually sit down and try talking to her in private.
And say what exactly?
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>>4729699
Infinite Knowledge/Power/Godhood
The smart ones just stare at it, whereas people who actually touch it are erased.
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You know what lets buys a gun and create anti-divine bullets, anti-regen or divine poison.
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>>4729696
i just saw a method in the older threads how to summon Scáthach here.

> Nyarlathotep didn't seem to have any difficulty in snatching even somebody like BB out of her own timeline with apparent ease. You wonder if you could've asked him to do something like move
Scáthach out of the Land of Shadows, though you don't know whether or not she would've appreciated that sort of thing. Still, it's kind of worth thinking about.

it will involve asking nyarly for help which might be a bad idea.
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>>4729708
Ok I know having another waifu is tempting but let's fucking not make a deal with the Outer God who's whole point is to tempt and destroy humans with shiny things, may as well go the Cu summoning route if we really want to
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>>4729708
Could she deal with Cú by herself? Not too sure of her power level.
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>>4729715
She's a Gilgamesh level servant, someone he would automatically need to get serious with or else he dies
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>>4729704
>And say what exactly?
That's a good question. Maybe just try talking to her about all the emotional baggage she still has? It would help even if we just listen, I think, and it certainly can't hurt more than what we're currently doing.. No reason to completely preplan the conversation, good chances it'll get derailed anyway.

>>4729715
I think Bazett would be better for dealing with Cu, if we can get her first.
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>>4729720
Just asking because I remember she lost against Berserker Cú in FGO, and this one might be even stronger.
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>>4729722
Cu Alter was amped up by the Grail and he stated he needed to take her seriously cause she could still kill him, I actually don't think she died either. She has jobber status so she doesn’t have the best showing even though she's hyped up a shit ton

>>4729721
I don't think Bazett is an option right now
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>>4729724
She's certainly easier to get than Scathach.
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>>4729485
>"OK, Sakura. I think that'll work fine."
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>>4729728
I have a feeling we're gonna be forced to face Cu soon and that fucker is built for stalling, he stalled Gilgamesh for 12 hours
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>>4729733
WhatIs has certainly foreshadowed this enough. God's plan still stands though: We have to ignore his distractions and head straight to Orochi.
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>>4729696
I wonder if we could do something similar to what happened with Medusa and Gorgon with Sakura and Dark Sakura. Having that power without the mind fuck would be nice.
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>>4729738
the thing is we're not gonna be able to ignore an amped up Cu, unless Medea can teleport everyone and we know she can't.
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>>4729739
Hmm, that's not a bad idea at all, actually. We helped both Betty and Medusa by diving into their mind. Worth a shot to do the same with our sisterwife.

>>4729740
And yet we have to. We can't allow him to distract us. Who said following God's plan would be easy?
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>>4729740
How about we take Cu, and push him somewhere else?
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>>4729749
Medea has to touch to teleport someone away. Would not recommend.
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>>4729754
Also it doesn't work to good if you have Magic Resistance
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>>4729754
Not true actually, remember when she cut our leg off?
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>>4729758
She can bring people to her. She can send people away from her. She cannot transport people from one point without acting as the middle point.
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The only risk of kiting Cu around is he gets eaten by Orochi as he's Divine, which potentially lets Orochi gain Protection From Arrows on top of all his other skills. Orochi might be able to start vomiting up Gae Bolg projectiles or coat it's hide in the Curriud's bonespikes and be a giant pointy Gae Bolg monstrosity with projectile nullification.

We haven't read a contract in full yet so we don't know if they have specific orders to get vored if they encounter the snake.
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>>4729759
*from one point to another, fuck phoneposting.
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>>4729761
We know they have specific orders to not help the snake, so I assume not. Manaka wasn't that much of a dick about this.

Do we have anyone who could succeed in pulling Cu away without dying in the process?
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We could just have Shuten or whoever throw him.
He's only 70 kilograms, and as far as we know he can't really arrest his momentum at mach speeds.
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>>4729765
Karna can draw aggro, Alcidies too. They could work in tandem even and just keep harassing him with arrows, even if they're mostly nullified by PFA.

Enhance/Ciel/SHIKI/Shuten can likely all tank Gae Bolg, we'd have to cure the curse inflicted afterwards though.
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>>4729765
unironically, we can use Ayaka to bait him but then Gilgamesh comes in
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I wonder if Alcides could come to respect Karna as despite his Divinity he's not a manipulative cunt and he too was just dragged along by the whims of the gods and stripped of his birth right in life. Their stories have a lot of parallels.
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>>4729769
Gae Bolg doesn't work if you have high luck either, if we're throwing people at him, may as well Rule Breaker him
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>>4729769
We have to deal with Orochi at the same time though. We need Alcides. Karna is a god, so he'd be of limited usefulness against the snake.

Sounds like a solid Cu-blocking team while the rest of us (sans gods) go do what's actually important.
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"OK Sakura, I think that arrangement will work fine." Honestly, it's the best of both worlds in a way. In public, BB has to act as a maid, and be taught some humility from it, while in private, Sakura will hopefully show her new sister some affection. The two of them might have more in common with one another than they might first have thought. Well, that's probably a given, considering just what BB is. A copy of a copy she might be, but at her core, there's still a Sakura. It's a... little bit different for the Alter-Egos, considering each of them only make up one aspect of BB's own personality, and thus can't really be compared in the same way that BB can be compared to the original Sakura here. "But... BB, I need to ask you for your thoughts before letting this happen, are you OK with this?"

"Anything beats having to stand around and pretend to be an emotionless puppet. Sure, I'll be your maid, Sakura!" BB seems to have a few reservations about the idea, but honestly, considering the alternative, it's definitely better for her. Nobody is born evil... Except Kirei, you suppose. But even then, a mental condition of only being able to draw enjoyment from suffering doesn't mean Kirei was born to be evil, in fact, if not for Gilgamesh's coercion, Kirei would've probably just lived out his days without ever truly feeling satisfied before he died. Had he done that, you couldn't exactly call him good or evil, but a solid... well, neutral. There is a capacity for good and evil in all people, it's just that some people... are more naturally inclined to take certain paths, you guess.

"Now now, if we're going to be doing this, then you will refer to me as Ojou-sama in public and Onee-san in private. Do you understand, BB-chan?" Sakura corrects BB, and already it seems like she is warming up to the idea of having another version of herself around. You weren't expecting the girl to be so accepting of BB, especially not after hearing her outlandish backstory, but then again, out of everyone you know, it's probably Sakura who is most adjusted to the odd things that can happen around you. Well, outside of perhaps Touko, maybe Monica too.

"I... understand, Onee-san." BB gives Sakura an uncertain smile, not knowing how she's actually going to be treated by the girl. It's probably a new experience for BB to be left completely without power no greater than even a human that she claims to despise. Nyarlathotep really does have a sick sense of humor, doesn't he? To turn the AI who claims nothing but hatred for humanity into one herself. Then again, BB doesn't truly completely hate humanity, so... getting to experience being a human for real might actually be something like an experience she never thought she'd get to actually have happen to her. To truly be able to live life as a human, fully separated from the worries of the Moon Cell and Chaldea, at least for some time. This might be something of a blessing in disguise for BB, in actuality.
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>>4729773
EMIYA doesn't have the best of luck. I really don't want to risk Medea against him. Shirou and Saber would be a good choice, their Avalons would keep them alive. Shame they're both indisposed at the moment.
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"Well then, I'm going to leave you two sisters to get yourselves properly acquainted with each other, also... I guess that makes me your brother too, BB." You smirk at the AI, who looks a little panicked by the realization. "Also, you can't keep calling yourself 'BB' it's not a real name, I suggest you have Sakura help you come up with one to use." Honestly, BB? What does it stand for? Back-Up Body? Black Blossom? Honestly, there are just too many potential word combinations that it could stand for. It's also entirely possible that it stands for nothing at all, and BB is just pranking everyone by making them guess as to something that never had meaning in the first place, though you doubt she'd go about giving herself a false name just for the sake of such a thing. If that were the case, she probably already would've revealed it already to somebody. Whatever 'BB' stands for, it's something truly precious to her, a secret she won't dare reveal to anybody. "But seriously, I need to go and see the Casters now, I want to see if they've made any progress on what I asked them for." It's somewhat surprising that Sakura somehow knew that there was a part of you that wanted to have BB act as a maid. Then again, you probably said something about trustworthy maids for the house out loud at some point... and there is the fact that you may or may not have once accidentally ordered a set of uniforms for an entire staff of maids when you once considered just hiring mundane maids and hoping they never uncovered something they shouldn't. Honestly though, it was just sounded like it would create more problems than it would solve.

"OK, Onii-chan..." Sakura sounds a little bit disappointed, before you suddenly walk up to BB and Sakura without any warning, and smile warmly at the two girls.

"There's just one more thing I wanted to do before going." You quickly raise both of your hands and simultaneously head-pat both Sakura and BB. Both girls are stunned for a moment, before Sakura's expression quickly turns to an appreciative one. BB's reaction however is a little bit more comical, and unexpectedly, the head pat manages to earn an embarrassed blush from the usually teasing girl. Ironic that the tables are so easy to turn on her, even after she basically forced you to grope her earlier on, and she's still getting embarrassed by something like this? You honestly don't know if you'll ever understand women.
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You leave BB and Sakura to it as you finally open the door to Rin's workshop that has been practically stolen by the Casters in the house. Surprisingly, there are more people in the room than you were expecting. Of course, Medea, Morgan and Tamamo are in the room, all of them are staring down at a shining metal rectangle that seems to be floating in the air, powered by some sort of magic circle underneath it. Clutching to the Medea's robes is Alítheia, who Medea gently pats on the head even while working on the magical creation. Touko is in the room too, staring at the magical item with great interest, she's also not smoking, either because she got a warning from Caster not to smoke around Alítheia, or she just decided that smoking around a kid wasn't right. Then again, Alítheia is pretty much the ultimate dragon, you're pretty certain that she could inhale all the smoke from a damn forest fire and not be any the worse for wear for it. While Alítheia has shown herself capable of wielding Truth, can she still use the flame of a dragon too? Then again, you suppose that Truth can easily take on the form and properties of fire. Alítheia... she really stands to be a terrifyingly powerful being when she's grown up.

"Ah! Master!" Caster is quick to realize you finally entered the room. "I was wondering where you were, but decided that you would've preferred not to have been bothered, though I was about to call you anyway, seeing as... well, we all had to work together to get it created so quickly." She glances at Tamamo and Morgan for a second before turning her attention back to you, but we managed to created the map you wanted." She gestures at the large floating rectangle of silver. "We were just about to test it for the first time, now it's in a completely operable state." Medea sounds awfully pleased with herself, though it doesn't look impressive just yet, you have the feeling you're about to change your opinion on the device.

"Very well, Medea, show me just what this thing can do." You smile at the woman as you ask her for a demonstration.
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"As you wish, Master." She turns to the rectangle, and begins to speak. "Chártis Ermís! Activate!" Chártis Ermís? Looks like Medea got to pick the name of the item, and chose Greek. Though the naming practices used for the map soon become unimportant to you as the silver tablet begins to take the form of Fuyuki City and the forests outside of it. Then, tens of thousands of lights begin to show up all around the map, and you are almost blinded. "Excellent. It works as was intended." Tamamo and Morgan look somewhat pleased with themselves, but none look more pleased than Medea herself. "By tapping into the leylines of the area, we created an artifact that can register all the magical energy of everything within the bounds of this city, and by tuning down the sensitivity, we can tune it to only show the presence of Servants..." As the lights dim your attention turns to the forests outside of the city. You see a huge shining light from the Einzbern Castle that overwhelms whatever other lights might be shining in the mansion. There is no light being emanated from the temple, looks like Manaka's bounded fields block that. There are a few more... anomalies though. There's a group of bright lights somewhere to the east of the Einzbern Mansion. A fair distance, a group of... six? There's another four lights to the far south of that group too, and another one that is seemingly traveling all by itself. Then there's a few more things that draw your attention elsewhere in the city, like the strange distortion on the map that makes it look more like a miniature black hole. Something sucking in light rather than giving any off. There's another bright light in the city, while not as great as the one representing Orochi, it's still the second brightest light on the map. Finally, there strangely seems to be two of the lights at the Fuyuki docks. What a helpful device this is!

>>Pick what you want to scry on first.
>Have Caster scry on the Einzbern Castle, see if you can see anything going on there.
>Have Caster scry on the second largest source of magical energy. It's intrigued you.
>Have Caster scry on the group of six.
>Have Caster scry on the group of four.
>Have Caster scry on the miniature black hole.
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
>Write-in...
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>>4729774
its a fucking stupid idea to go against Orochi without our whole team, we deal with Cu then we go towards Orochi, God said to deal with the people going against Orochi too and Manaka is clearly one of them

>>4729777
We'll figure out how to rejuvenate them, we have 3 Casters

>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
GUYS ITS FUCKING BILLY AND THIRD LANCER
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>>4729784
>>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
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Group of six are Orochi's servants, sans Assassin.
Miniature Black hole is Tesla
Two lights are Billy and Lancer
Four lights are probably Waver and his group, though I'm not entirely certain.
Wild guess, but the second largest source of magical energy is Gilles.

>>4729787
God was extremely clear that we should ignore the allies Manaka twisted against us.

And they fucking die if they get Bolg'd, anon. No rejuvenation that.
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>>4729784
Have Caster scry on the miniature black hole
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>>4729784
>>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
Let's save them before vore.
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
BILLY BILLY BILLY BILLY BILLY BOYYYY
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>>4729795
there's a difference between running around and trying to save our friends and dealing with an enemy that's attacking us
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
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>>4729802
Remember how we dealt with Tesla attacking us? That's the playbook for Cu if he does.
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Unfortunately, only a three update day today. Ah well. I figure you'd probably do better with more time to decide when it comes to this vote.
It's fairly important.
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Oh yeah, what happened to Taiga anyway? Where is she now?
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
>call waver to see if he wants something
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>>4729807
At Shirou's house?
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>>4729806
No problem. It's certainly a nice place to pause.

>>4729807
She's at Shirou's house, and she's a Master.
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>>4729807
We looked her up, she's safe and has a servant, possibly Sasaki since we were with her earlier on in the quest and had no command seal and Sasaki is a late entry cause of the Mordred paradox
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the group of four.

Let's scry waver really quick, also which one is the enhance? The second light should be Gil so we should check in with Shiki.
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>>4729806
WhatIs, is there any reason the one that is seemingly traveling all by itself is not one of the provided options?
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>>4729812
>>4729810
>>4729809
Shouldn't we do something about that? If she's a master we need to talk to her, she might get attacked. At the very least call her.
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>>4729817
Not especially, I just figured that nobody would really care for it.
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Is the one by itself second lancer?
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>>4729820
I'd agree with you but we need to deal with Orochi as fast as possible, unless we're absolutely forced to look into things, we should keep it on the backburner
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>>4729820
can't medea just teleport her to us i assume she's capable of that since she was trying to teleport us when she cut off our foot.
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>>4729820
We've been kinda busy putting out fires today. Something to do for sure at the first opportunity.

>>4729821
Waver said one of his groups was traveling separately, so that's who I'm assuming it is. Still, had to check.

Missing from my guess at >>4729795:
Gilgamesh: Might be the second largest source of magic. In that case, Ayaka is not strong enough to register on the map. Or Gilgamesh and Ayaka could be the two lights, I suppose.

Cu and Bazett: Either could be the second largest source of magic, or maybe Manaka put them together and they're the two lights.

Enhance: Could be the lone light, but it's way out in the middle of nowhere when he should still in the city.

Taiga's Servant is either Second Assassin or Sasaki, so he wouldn't be on the map in either case.

Anyone else I'm forgetting?

>>4729836
She can, but we figured she'd be safe enough for now and opted not to do that without sending Shirou to talk to her first, and we've been running nonstop ever since.
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>>4729836
Her servant might attack to protect her. I say call her first, and maybe ask her if we can teleport her, or at least meet with her.
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>>4729841
>>4729843
we should call her as soon as possible then someone might target her.
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>>4729784
>>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
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i really hope its Billy and Lancer, we need more bros
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>>4729821
Can we get a list confirming who is currently at the house WhatIs to help planning?

I can't remember if Ciel got teleported with us or not. Also, are we to assume Ibaraki's Oni troop is now outside the bounds of the map?
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>>4729784
>Praise Medea and the other Casters.
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
Scrying the black hole would be a mistake, Tesla would just eat the scrying spell. Scrying on Orochi would probably alert him. I don't have a strong enough opinion about the other options to go against the grain, but I could be convinced I guess.

In any case, we should definitely offer some praise for this wonderful map. And Medea crafting a powerful artifact with one hand while holding our daughter with the other was a very nice image.
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>>4729870
Ciel and Karna got teleported with us, Dante stayed behind. We should have everyone other than him available.
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We should start editing an actual map so it's easier to visualise too. Here's a base with common locations labelled.

Gil was in the expensive part of Miyama Town correct? But last time we checked up he was armoured and moving with Ayaka.

The train line should place anyone travelling into Fuyuki within the area around Shinto Town when they disembark, then they'd need to catch a smaller form of transport towards Rin's house were we currently are. So that was both Waver's group and Wukong + her Master iirc
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>>4729887
You're right, the map will be helpful. This puts the group of six right in the path between us and Einzbern Mansion. Welcoming committee probably. The group of four and the lone light are south and out of bounds of the map. Shouldn't Waver be closer? And I though Sun and her Master were already here. If the group of two is indeed Billy and Lancer, I wonder what they're doing over there all the way from Einzbern Mansion. Did the Einzbern have a secret route connecting it to the harbor?

Also
>By tapping into the leylines of the area, we created an artifact that can register all the magical energy of everything within the bounds of this city, and by tuning down the sensitivity, we can tune it to only show the presence of Servants...

Would Waver's group really be strong enough to register as Servants?
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I'm leaning towards Wavers group for more bodies or Orochi info collection. Anything other then that are distractions. Zouken cannot get more time to do shit.
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>>4729903
The thought process is that they summoned servant already.
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>>4729909
How could they? None of them are able to hack the grail to do something like that.
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>>4729903
They probably just yeeted as far away as possible from orochi.

Kaleido-Sapphire Luvi would register, Flat is an autistic savant but his magical energy might not be enough. Kairi and Waver probably wouldn't, Gray came too didn't she? She would have a Dragon Core due to Artoria's summoning even though Rhongobongo is sealed so she might show as a servant.

t's safe to assume Sasaki and anyone with Presence Concealment won't show, which means Wukong may not show due to Shapeshifted PC. We can test this theory by seeing the number of lights where we are, or maybe even having Karna help us scry so he can use his Clairvoyance + Discernment skills to see through anything obfuscated.
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>>4729920
Flat would accidentally hack the Grail and summon some absurd servant like Archer Rama or Scathach
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>>4729920
Tracked down our phonecall with Waver

>"Good timing, Shinji. I just touched down at the airport about an hour ago and am on the train to Fuyuki right now, we should be at Fuyuki in... about twenty minutes."

Surely we spent more than twenty minutes inside Medusa's mind. Waver's group was Waver, Gray, Reines, Luvia, Flat and Kairi. Gray, Luvia and Flat make 3. Would Reines be strong enough to register? I am becoming less and less certain the four dots are them.

If they wanted to get far away from Orochi, they should be running east, not south. No, wait, now that I think about it, is this map North oriented?
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Oh and if we leave the map active with the normie settings on while someone sits here monitoring it we can track mass civilian deaths as the lights get snuffed out.

Merlin and Gil have shown they can block scrying, but Gil might not have accounted for this. Merlin is another story, seeing as he sees the present so he would be aware and as Morgana had something to do with the map, he's probably ensured he's hidden. We could task Morgana with tracking him, we need information and as an Incubus he likely gives off a unique energy signature. Mordred may be good at unga bunga, but as a king she needs to learn to manage RTS style stuff so she doesn't fall into the same neglect the people hole as her Father. She also needs to keep a leash on her mum, so maybe having Mordred, Morgana and Touko, who we can praise to Mordred as our own teacher can keep tabs on the map while we're out in the field. Touko is capable of using a phone too.

Also, I think we should ask Mordred for her input in this scrying decision, as her Instinct is incredible and if we want her to learn to be a good tactician she should be a part of this kind of information gathering event.

>>4729936

I'm posting from my wage cage so I can't spend enough time to look that deep, but the wiki might have clues. All google images I can find of Fuyuki are this orientation including the FGO ones, so we'd assume so?

https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Fuyuki_City

The pic is from some extra materials, it's a different perspective of Fuyuki that shows the mountainous areas better than the other one.
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>>4729946
Alright, I'll assume the map orientation is correct. In that case, the four lights south of the map are entirely in the wrong location and in the wrong number to be Waver's group.

Mordred should learn to command, I agree. Teleporting her so we can rely on her instincts might be a good idea. But I really disagree with leaving her behind to run the command center. She's one of our strongest combatants, and we will absolutely need her in the frontline. The Casters should be enough to monitor the situation from the map room, we can't bring any one Divine with us against Orochi anyway.
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>However, I can at least answer that a path of true happiness for all those that you hold dear does exist, but you must act quickly. You must not allow yourself to be distracted by the actions of your allies who have been twisted to serve Manaka with exception to Medusa, who is still clinging on to the last remnants of her previous self, upon saving her. You must go on to defeat the forces of Yamata-no-Orochi, as well as those who oppose him.

Reposting God's words. "As well as those who oppose him" has always bugged me. Could the four lights be them?
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>>4729963
I assume it's Manaka and possibly Nyarlathotep, Manaka doesn't want competition and Orochi has the means to hack the Grail for his own uses
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>>4729968
>Then, before your final confrontation with Manaka Sajyou, you must discover a way to reverse the effects of the curses of the mud of the Holy Grail upon Heroic Spirits, from there, you'll know what to do. That's what I will reveal to you
I cut off his last sentences because they weren't relevant right now. He can't mean Manaka, we have to figure how to cleanse grail mud before we storm the temple. I think he'd be more direct if he meant Nyarly, like he warned us not to get too close to him, or if he meant the allies currently under Manaka's control. We don't know of any other faction here, but that doesn't mean there aren't any, necessarily.
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>>4729977
She could be sending servants after him
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>>4729981
Then they should appear on the map, which brings us back to the point of who might the four lights be.
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Remember folks we gotta watch out for altrouge. Would she be one of these lights?
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>>4729983
I heard someone make a theory that one of the massive magical energy sources might be Gilles

>>4729984
I literally never believed her when she said she'd leave us alone, no fucking way
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>>4729984
She's certainly powerful enough to register. But the more we discuss this, the more I think we should scry the four lights first.

>>4729986
That was me. It's either Gilles who's been sucking boys dry for days, Gilgamesh, or booster Cu.
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>>4729986
>>4729988

yeah no never trust a vampire that's more than willing to just grab you off the street and turn you because they liked you as a child. I don't wanna get discord groomed by a bloodsucking lunatic.
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>>4729955
Tamamo should be quite a good tactician considering how much time she spent manipulating emperors actually. That's a quite a bit of trust to put towards her and she'll expect a reward though. She's also Divine and terrified of snek, so she's a must pick for command terminal. I'm opting for Touko to stay due to her ability to use tech and her sister is probably better on the front lines to nuke things.

Medea should probably stay too, being Divine, but also able to teleport allies around from the vantage point. We also always have direct comms with her via the servant contract.

Mordred and Artoria should probably both come to Orochi, being able to slow his advance with saber-beamu and Instinct helping a ton with avoiding ambushes etc. Morgan really needs to be wherever Mordred is so she's under supervision.

I meant Mordred to sit at command up until the Orochi conflict, so she can get some resource management experience but we will need her on the from lines for that.

In canon Shinji isn't aware of the extra servants Orochi summoned yet so it'll have to be discovered in story remember.
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>>4729911
How did Taiga? How did third saber come about so quick? Also I think they had rolls a few threads back.
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>>4729784
Ask Mordred and Artoria for their input in a scrying target, using their twin Instinct skills.
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>>4729996
But anon, she waited because she likes us as an adult.
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>>4730057
>In canon Shinji isn't aware of the extra servants Orochi summoned yet so it'll have to be discovered in story remember.
Alan told him, that's how we know.
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>>4730062
As a subsidiary vote in case of a tie, I'm gonna go 2 at docks > group of 4 > second largest source
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>>4730069
Oh that's right. Did he specify how many or just that he was summoning up more problems?
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You know I feel we should take a page out of Kerry's book and use mundane ways to catch Merlin. We have ties to the Yakuza, use them. Have them search around while being subtle.

Also we should at some point get Kerry back in his body now that archer is here and have the three casters set up a better bounded field.

I think it's best if we check the 4 or 6 dots even if they aren't Wavers group. There the largest possible opposition on the board. Their either allies we can team up with it enemies we need info on.
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>>4730086
He said seven, so its safe to assume at least that
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>>4730092
The 6 are likely that main group, his Assassin is either with them or ready to gank us in the city. They might be in transit towards us or holding a line between us and the main snake body.

The four south might be the set of what's left after the original wolf vore interlude? As they're basically off the map deep into the forest if they're directly south of the 6 east of the Einzbern manor. We can't discount him having summoned another batch, but there's always the possibility either Manaka has left some shadow servants to wander or Cu has conjured up some servant tier familiars. He has dogs, Odin's wolves, Odin's eagles and crows as possibilities. Cu could also be the lone massive signature.

Why is he fortifying a position and holding it? Is he retarded or is he performing some other absurd ritual? He could just keep summoning waves of servants to send after us, unless he's actually worried about us Rulebreaking them and adding to our forces?

The Orochi is a being of destroying so building up and area just doesn't make sense.
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>>4730088
Merlin is omniscient in the present using his Clairvoyance. They'll be chasing Illusions constantly. Any other mage it's a good idea, but when dealing with him you would need someone who can augment an army of normies and that takes prep time.

His weakness is women, he can be baited with prostitutes easier than he can be scouted by yakuza thugs.
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>>4730103
>>4730088
Ayaka
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>>4730104
Odin Cu vs Gil vs Merlin in a supreme Clairvoyance simp-off
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>>4730106
To add, Odin is likely to have Clairvoyance on the Grand Caster trio's level, as in LB2 he basically forsaw that the Scandinavia LB was a dead end, handed his authority to Skadi to tend the fields and planeswalked outta that guaranteed dead end to go off on his own adventures. Very likely going on to incarnate in Singularity F as "Caster Cu" who refuses to give you his true name and has Odin's two wolves in his final ascension art.
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>>4730106
Unironically would be perfect, those 3 retards can fight it out for a few days, we can take back Ayaka as they all focus on each other and somehow Proto Saber shows up and makes things worse
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>>4730110
yeah i found a theory about that, i never pieced it together, Cu has a lot of connections to Odin, Gungnir being Gae Bolg's prototype, the primordial runes, the wolves. Would be a forced to be reckoned with and would actually be a match against Gilgamesh and Merlin instead of just being simple bait
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>>4730112
It's a shame its incel and not ZETE inside Monika, could be a 4 way simp off with Greek Chad Thundercock joining the fray for the coombait
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>>4730110
Odin in general is very much Grand Caster tier because he has divine knowledge of everything that he used to create his magic.
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>>4730101
He might be Orochi but he's also Zouken. God probably told us to engage him while ignoring everything else but Medusa due to being on a timer.

>>4730103
Having the gang search won't really cost us anything. Plus it may constrain his movement because he has to weave around normies. Lastly how does he know people are searching for him? He'd have to be aware the normies are searching for him first.

His Clairvoyance also has to have limitations. There is no way he's doing a big brother to the entire city at once. He can probably see events going on but not all events. There are going to be some he's not paying attention to.
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>>4730120
I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the Third Eye awakened pajeets would also qualify. Infinite knowledge implies clairvoyance of a sort so even base myth Odin fits the role perfectly. I wonder if Mimir can be pulled out of the reverse side for the Punished Shinji eyepatch aesthetic?
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>>4730125
He only has to focus on the events on a single town right now. As an incubus he feeds on emotions and dreams so he'd passively be syphoning information just by feeding. It's not a bad idea, it just doesn't have much chance of success. If Zouken hadn't summoned extra servants modern surveillance would have been a good option as scrying is such a risk. But with the servants wandering around we'd be sending NPCs into a meat grinder.
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We really should call Shiki to find out if Gil is even on the map. Then call Waver and check with him as well.
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>>4730127
Punished Shinji will only ever happen if somebody near and dear to Shinji dies horribly and cannot be immediately revived by Shinji. Then we need to consult Kiritsugu for smokes and eyepatches and alcohol and suffering
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>>4730142

We should have used our funds to create drone networks and or buy heaps of military grade comms devices to distribute them to everyone. Earpiece sorta things that also pick up voice. Tesla would have spent a while destroying everything though.

I actually think spending so much time with Monika made us shy away from tech as it would have crapped out in her presence.
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Maybe we should call up a strategy council. Archer, Saber, Mordred along with our Casters. Archer is the one well versed with current magecraft. Maybe Rin too because she is second owner.
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
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>>4730149
So Sakura then

>>4730127
I always assumed thats what our mystic eyes would be, to read the tea leaves and find the correct path out of millions
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
Mostly because it is easiest target.
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>>4730150
Think about it this way, if we had relied on tech up to this point we'd be fucked when Tesla showed up to destroy or subvert all our drones and coms.
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its pretty funny how Shinji and Shirou would go Mind of Steel for the exact same person
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the group of four.
Even though Billy is based he does not vibe with our operation style at all, and he's liable to put six bullets in someone we're trying to save.
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>Have Caster scry on the Einzbern Castle, see if you can see anything going on there.
Orochi and maybe his team since he outshine them.
Scrying will tip him off but we are still going after him.
Importance of scrying in questionable.
>Have Caster scry on the second largest source of magical energy. It's intrigued you.
Gil and Cu are the most likely candidates for this one.
>Have Caster scry on the group of six.
>Have Caster scry on the group of four.
We were warned about third parties and Orichi`s servants.
It is valid to suspect that it is his group or Manaka`s group or Waver`s team or that third party.
>Have Caster scry on the miniature black hole.
Tesla, this one is easy.
>Have Caster scry on the two lights at the Dock.
We have meta idea here but it could as well be Gilles and his bodyguard, harvesting population for Manaka.
The most strange group for us in-character.
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>>4729784
>>Have Caster scry on the group of six.
>Praise Medea
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>>4729977
What did Rin to do Kirei's body? We could dig him up and experiment a bit on the bits of grail mud he has in him
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>>4729784
Switching >>4729871 to
>Praise Medea and the other casters
>Have Caster scry on the group of four.
We definitely spent more than 20 minutes dealing with Shuten and Medusa. Waver should be already in the city. And the number of lights doesn't fit. With apologies to Billy and Lancer, this is what we need to see the most.
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>>4730248
It should still be where she left it. Probably a good idea to pick it up when we finally get a breather.
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>>4730248
Presumably still of the floor of the Church.
I wonder what the Clocktower is thinking now that both overseers are either mia or confirmed dead, if they're paying attention at all right now.
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>>4730258
Overseers are Church. And the Church is probably mustering the Burial Agency as we speak, we shot up to to public enemy #1 status in the past 24 hours
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>>4730265
Yeah but they're in cooperation with the Clocktower, otherwise there's no reason for them to be here as it's not the Church's ritual.
I might be forgetting something but doesn't the Tower keep track of what's going on?
It would be a bit weird for them to let the Church administer everything without keeping their own tabs on what's going on.
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so any bets which group is Merlins and how strong it is?
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>>4730273
Clocktower has no authority here. That was why the Einzbern and Zolgen chose this place, and that's why the Clocktower accepted Church oversight so easily. They might monitor the bigger happenings, even if only to help with the cover-up, but they certainly have no clue about the smaller stuff. For example, they had no idea Kotomine killed Tohsaka, what went on in the final battle, that Gilgamesh stayed around, or even that the Grail is corrupted.

>>4730314
I'm betting on Merlin not appearing on the map, and not appearing at all unless he wants to or we expend significant effort to tracking him down.
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>>4730150
I mentioned something like a magical comms with Touko and qm shrugged it off.
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>>4730347
iirc, what the QM said was that Touko wasn't interested in making one but we could do it ourselves if we wanted. And then we never bothered.
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Once we find our faggot grandpa we should order an airstrike, but the missiles are just a shit ton of burgers

Maximum confusion, plus food to eat once we nuke him
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>>4730353
if we really were insane we could have buy nerve agents before the war and just airdrop them on temple and castle.
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>>4730359
Man, do you remember the innocent times when we thought Gil would be the final boss and the War would go like that Carnival speedrun?
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>>4730364
>"Lets check if Misaki town is real just in case, guys"
time of youth innocence.
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the group of four.
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>>4730366
I wonder if any of the Manaka schizo posters are still around.
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>>4730375
>Manaka schizo posters
wot if we are third Manaka
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Something to remember, Gilgamesh has a lot of anti-scrying + anti-detection Noble Phantasms.
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>>4730387
Gil certainly has anti-detection. But does Gilles?
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>>4730388
You really think COOOOL would have a brighter light than any of the other Servants except the Beast?

Oh, I felt like I should've mentioned, but the map doesn't show your own base's light, because that would've just been pointless.
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>>4730395
I think he would, if he was almost ready to summon Cthulhu, yes. Or use the equivalent energy for whatever Manaka's planning. I still think it was him who murdered the boys at the warehouse.
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>>4730395
I guess the idea of Giles being bright is that the brightness is mana density, and Giles' book has that mana reactor/furnace thing.
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>>4730395
Weve been neglecting sacchin alot
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>>4730387
yes, but does he has one that will turn him female so we could headpat female Gil and make her simp for us ultrahard?
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>>4730395
so whats Thor?
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>>4730402
You don't want that.
>>4730404
What do you mean 'What's Thor?'
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I'm also just going to post this without any context.

See ya later.
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>>4730407
that was really bad joke-pun, sorry.
>You don't want that.
we can take femGil on, no big deal.
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>>4730410
ayy lmao
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Apparently Odin made the Valkyries from Sefar's remains, intredasting.

If he is OdinCu I expect to see his octocock horse WhatIs
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It's a shame that Shinji never really had a normal school life.
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>>4730418
neo sacchin
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>>4730410
>>4730418
out of the frying-pan into the fire.
just how I like it.
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>>4730418
Normal? He didnt even go to school
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>>4730421
Which was a shame.
Though probably a good thing for your own development in the grand scheme.
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>>4730422
Clocktower university arc SOL with Medea obfuscating our presence so we can attend classes while we gather info to collapse them?

Dabbing on teachers in the style of Anos Voldigoad
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>>4730425
Attending Waver's classes with Alan and other transfer students, Sakura accidentally imagine breaking every single important mystic code when she tries to use them.


Probably best as a carnival moment actually.
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>>4730422
True. Ill be waiting whem someone asks shinji what the square root of 100 is
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>>4730425
Imagine if Medea was actually a teacher there while we attended.
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>>4730428
Tongue kissing the teacher as we hand in a test
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>>4730428
Kinky
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>>4730427
we have servant AI for this.
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>>4730428
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>>4730431
Imagine BB as a mathe teacher trying to teach us algerbra
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>>4730432
Shinji and Flat try to out bullshit magic each other while Shinji tries to conceal Truth powerlevel but keeps getting flustered by Flat's savant autism pushing him to start chanting aria lines to keep up
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>>4730432
She had her chance. It's too late for her now.
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>>4730434
What IS Flat anyway? I remember him being some 2k year old plan's fruit but I don't think I remember specifics.
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>>4730435
Touko didn't GROOOOOMING as hard as her sister would have
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>>4730438
Flat is Flat. Cartoon logic retard genius.
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>>4730432
Some part of me hopes that we can woo touku
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>>4730435
But as a Grand of the Mage's Association, getting a job at the Clocktower as a teacher would be the simplest thing in the entire world for Touko.
So long as she deals with the Sealing Designations first.
Medea would need to LARP as a transferred teacher from the Wandering Sea.
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>>4730438
Also

>His personality and power are so chaotic and increasingly unstable that, in every timeline where Flat does not meet El-Melloi II, he is made a target and eliminated by the Counter Force.

Poor sped, his existence upsets Alaya that much.
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>>4730433
Nasu has already proven that 3rd Magic was before 1st Magic. Real algebra is a mystery in this verse
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>>4730444
Can't Waver hire teachers for his own department? She's certainly more than qualified for the job.
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>>4730446
I didn't read SF personally, but wasnt there a scene when he dies and some weird ass thing escapes from his corpse? And seeing weird shit. Dude is something..
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>>4730449
>Modern Magecraft Theory
>Hiring Medea
Um...
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>>4730451
We are about to revolutionize Modern Magecraft anyway. They'll need Medea to help them navigate the New Age of Gods.
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Maybe Medea can get a job in the Department of Archeology or something, by leaving scraps of her knowledge around. Something something hermit family who is newly leaving isolation.
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Does sakura know we shinji is not blood related?
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>>4730459
Yes, of course. She hasn't forgotten she's adopted, or that Rin is her biological sister. Why?

Though that does remind me: What's the color of Sakura's eyes now, WhatIs?
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>>4729784
>Have Caster scry on the second largest source of magical energy. It's intrigued you.
Bring me JOBhulain.
>>4730454
I'm not sure if I want a Clocktower Infiltration Arc or Mordreds Takeover of England Arc after the war.
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>>4730461
Why not both? Infiltrate the Clocktower so we can prepare the ground for Mordred's invasion.
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>>4730462
Can't wait to dab all over Lorelei.
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>>4730450
I haven't been keeping up with it so much this year, but after Alcides took half of Jack's Saint Graph using Reincarnation Pandora, Flat was able to use his connection to Jack to literally rewrite his command seals and fuck up Alcides' magical energy and form enough to job to a human and get shanked by a Hydra poison dagger.
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>>4730432
Let's go
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>>4730460
I dont know. Probably something retarded
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>>4730456
Excuse me Miss, I have a large bone for you to inspect
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>>4730407
>You don't want that.
Gilko can't handle the Truth charged D.
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>>4730446
redman saves the day again.
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>>4730460
Didn't they turn into Tiamat pink crosses?
>>4730446
Flat gets executed for being unstable.
Meanwhile Alaya wants to suck our dick.
Get rekt Flat.
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>>4730443
We already did.
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>>4730475
I think they're now back to Tohsaka blue, but I'm not sure. And that's why I'm asking.
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>>4730477
She is 99?
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>>4730475
just wait until he shows up next update with Dopeman as his servant.
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>>4730479
She's ??/100 but seeing how she acts around her "wakame-kun" we can get her if we just push a bit.
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>>4730481
Hmm i see. Pehaps we should take her to get coffe and gift her premium cuban cigars
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>>4730482
Reminder that we gave her a blank cheque to ask us whatever she wanted as a thank you. She hasn't cashed in yet.
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>>4730483
>"I want you."
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Clocktower probably has the least reason to like us, while Wandering Sea is gonna COOM over all the AoG stuff and BB can teach Atlas Spiritron stuff.
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>>4730483
We shall wait then
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>>4730484
>"Truth."
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>>4730482
Why gift her Cuban Cigars when we could gift her Cuba?
>>4730478
I think we would've noticed that.
>>4730481
Yeah she's definitely a target.
We should surprise her with a kiss.
If I had to point out a moment, her falling for us was probably when we saved her from the fate worse than death Rizo hit her with.
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>>4730483
>"Your virginity."
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>>4730489
>"Don't you know Wakame-kum? The semen of a virgin magus is extremely potent with magical energy. Now hand it to me."
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>>4730488
we really need to kill Rizo for her and Mo.
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>>4730488
That seems kinda risky. Ever since the Monica incident
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>>4730491
We should give Rizo to her as a gift.
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>>4730490
>Wakame-kum
>>4730492
She's cut our fucking limbs off before to help test our limits.
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>>4730495
Exactly. I dont want her to remove our dick and balls bro.
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>>4730496
>"Cock and Ball Torture, Wakame-kun?"
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>>4730498
>INTERNAL SCREAMING
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>>4730499
Note to future Shinji: Learn how to turn off pain receptors.
Also learn how to fake an orgasm.
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>>4730501
>learn how to orgasm on command
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>>4730501
>The third and fourth lines are "An infinity of lies." and "Blind to the beyond." and their recital allows for the spatial destabilization of the area surrounding Shinji, in a pinch, these two verses can be used to escape from almost any attempt to bind Shinji.
Note to future Shinji: Learn how to recite that with a gagged mouth.
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>>4730502
A skill only Kiara can teach.
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>>4730501
just learn pressure points to make girls orgasm and pretend it is fate doujin world. one touch and Tamamo gets knocked out and spasming on the floor with a bliss expression on her face.
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>>4730507
Pretty sure that's just how Fate works.
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>>4730507
>Chinese Martial Art (Pleasure Points) EX
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>>4730507
>>4730508
Cant wait until we accidently high five shiro and make him bust a nut
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>>4730509
>Erotic Arts A++
>Anti Unit
>Max Range : 1
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Nobody has defenses against being made to orgasm to death.
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>>4730510
Saber will ask us to teach her those moves upon seeing it.
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>>4730515
He is showing her how it works and high fives her
>splurge
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>>4730515
>>4730516
Eh, it's not like these two need the help. Unlike us.
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>>4730514
certain educated prostitute might.
>>4730516
better teach her normaly while shirou begs us not to.
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I still think Waver a company have servants. Flat is here meaning he could have pulled a fate/strange fake and hacked the grail without knowing.

Also fuck him for being an idiot savant. Doesn't need to study at all to do stuff and it seems his power is to do whatever he wants and is limited by the user. Luckily the user is an idiot.
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>>4730519
Any attempt to cuck the Eroge protagonist ends with them absorbing our entire harem.
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>>4730520
We'll know for sure if we scry the four lights.

>Also fuck him for being an idiot savant.
The virgin DnD Wizard vs the chad Sorcerer.
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>>4730524
i meant teaching Saber trick or two so that she could properly dom Shirou.
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>>4730526
I feel like we forget how powerful and impressive we actually are sometimes.
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Do we know what happened to our kaledostick after we teleported. He hasn't bothered is for awhile which might be a clue in itself. Hopefully he's just tired and hasn't been captured or something more sinister.
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>>4730530
Can't remember when exactly, but we checked at some point and it wasn't there. I guess the exertion against Orochi exhausted it.
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>>4730530
Amethyst is a girl.
I guess they could be a trap though.
>>4730527
I don't think Mordred will appreciate that.
>>4730528
After we accidentally'd the ultimate Dragon I doubt anyone will underestimate Truth again
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>>4730528
Pretty sure most magi would be ready to give up both their hands to have aportion of our power.
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>>4730534
We'd have to smack them around first, their first instinct would be to take both of our arms so they can have a portion of our power.
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>>4730533
>I don't think Mordred will appreciate that.
She'd ask to participate.
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>>4730533
Truth is powerful, the issue is leveraging it's power. Most of the time when it becomes OP it has AOG bullshit allowing it. In the current state it's greatly weakened due to being a Mana sink. Don't get me wrong it can do anything but in combat the cost fucks us.
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>>4730537
We should've learned how to make Mystic Codes.
And summon things.
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>>4730540
crests too.
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>>4730542
Aren't Crests made by removing some of your circuits?
Wouldn't our circuits just grow back?
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>>4730544
very intimate moment with girls asking us to make them crests.
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>>4730542
We could always ask grandpa to teach us.
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>>4730544
That's a very good question. Time to start budding Crests and regening Circuits? Starfish Crests. Since our RM restores us completely and I think we can also heal spiritual damage like that. Unless it crosses over from "damaged" to "removed" and thats too far for it, but our RM can probably do it?
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>>4730547
We've already decided to deathpoint the God and let Sakura vore wormpa.
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>>4730547
gramp's crests are old and busted and worms. we need that NEW new
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>>4730550
truth butteflies?
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>>4730549
There's still time to change our mind and ask to learn the secret family recipe.

I'm obviously joking anon.
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>>4730548
At least there won't be any argument over which of our biological kids gets the crest.
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>>4730553
Would they even gain anything from a crest when we plan to usher in a New Age of Gods?
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Just catching up on Strange Fake, and Prelati is going to be very interested in us after the war. In fact, the amount of chaos going on means Zolgen isn't gate keeping her from watching right now. So she's probably on her way over from Antartica with a huge fascination boner right now. Merlin taught Vivian magic, who was in turn Prelati's teacher too so huge fangirl moment if she got to meet Merlin.

But yeah, idk if WhatIs was aware but now he is, expect more chaos
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>>4730555
Also the US government wants to end magic and usher in a tech era, so they're probably going to be an issue in future.
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>>4730555
>Prelati
>going near Touko
Touko spawnkilled her like 30 times.
She's not about to fuck with that.
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>>4730555
Remember, when in doubt. Feed enemies to Sakura.
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>>4730557
Touko is busy right now
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>>4730556
That's what BB is for.
Send the burgers back to the Stone Age.
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>>4730556
We were already planning to return all English-speaking colonies to Mordred's New British Empire. Coming at us will just make our job easier.

>>4730558
Amen, brother.
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>>4730558
Sakura and Shiki are our preferred methods to kill the unkillable.
Prelati getting herself vored by Sakura would be amusing though.
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>>4730563
>>4730558
I wonder if Prelati would die or just be constantly respawning and seething inside her over and over again?
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>>4730559
Busy directly taking part in the war?
Prelati won't want to take part in this.
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>>4730564
>respawning and seething inside of Sakura's belly
Surprisingly cute
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>>4730566
She doesn't want to take part, she wants to watch. Like a scuffed Merlin she's another demon that watches the humanity tv channel on loop for eternity
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>>4730564
She'd probably just get her soul digested and be absorbed for good.
Sakura might then absorb her immortality.
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>>4730568
She'd get found out and dealt with.
Orochi has all of Zouken's memories.
He might whip up a worm pit just for her.
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>>4730569
New plan: Find Prelatti, feed her to Sakura. Any objections?
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>>4730571
None whatsoever.
I hope Sakura is hungry for Bitch.
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She also promised to reunite with Giles so if he's still kicking around that's another reason to come over for a look.

>>4730571
If it's not going to fuck up actual plot to detour, sure. If she shows up in the path of normal story then chomp
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I'd say there was always a possibility she snuck in while Zolgen was busy with his snake ritual construction and Touko was frozen in time
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>>4730574
Why don't we scry on her through Medea and teleport her directly on top of one of Sakura's shadow portals into herself?
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headpat Prelati
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>>4730573
I'm sure she'll eat whatever her Onii-chan tells her to eat, even if she's not that hungry.

>>4730574
Theoretically, we'll have a few days to kill after we deal with Orochi, Cu, Monica and Bazett and before we're ready to storm the temple. Would be nice to take our sister out to eat one of them. Or it could wait for after the War if we end up not having enough time.

>>4730575
Even better if she's here. She's even offering food delivery service!
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>>4730576
If God didn't give us a roadmap I'd voot for this but rather not get justed because of a meme detour now. After snek there's downtime before Manaka completes apotheosis
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I guess to be nice we purge Giles of cursed grail mud just so Sakura can vore him too and Prelati can have a friend
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So end Prelati and Gilles. Gotcha.
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Imagine watching the grail war through some scrying system unbeknownst to everyone and then the blue haired motherfucker just brings you up personally and suggests feeding you to his sister so she'll kill you for good and absorb your immortality.
Then he tells the Caster to teleport you to her immediately.
>"Guess I'll die."
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>>4730582
And living Prelati has had nowhere near enough time to cast a Grand Illusion on the current world texture so no escaping ok?
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>>4730577
She can get her single Headpat while Sakura sends her to the vore dimension.
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Sakura may pick up some S tendencies from Prelati though
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>>4730586
She already has them.
She just hides them.
Look how she's dealing with BB.
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>>4730587
It'll be a lot more obvious with that influence
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>>4730582
>"Oh, fuck"

>>4730586
Eh. What's the worst that could happen?
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>>4730588
Probably worth it for the immortality. Other people can't even be mad because it would make it so something can't just accidentally kill Sakura and release Tiamat or something.
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>>4730589
Tiamat starts leaking through and she wants to play mommydom to the whole planet?

Is that even a bad end?
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Also in regards to Alcides around Divinities. He may not be so chummy even with people like Medea.

Yes the variant that says this is older, grumpier and BLACKED by cursed grail mud but still. Ilya must have him on a tight leash if he's just boiling under the surface constantly ready for a chance to snap the neck of anything divine.

>Bazdilot asks him if he regrets killing Chiron, and he says he does not because he freed Chiron from the "curse" of immortality
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>>4730594
I see... so SAlter is what happens to Saber if she takes nigger cock. Makes sense that she becomes a ethot who roleplays as a hot topic girl, and is into being pegged by Dark Sakura.
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>>4730594
Sounds like Tesla and Alcides could've gotten along, to the detriment of us, if we were less lucky or something.
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>>4730597
Its a good thing we chose to pull Alcides out when we did. Although nobody knew that Betty would come with us anyway if we didn't choose her.
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>>4730598
Well, Medea's absence made us appreciate her that much more when we finally got her back.
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Pale Rider is so based, he took Alcides' elephant size dog, grew it larger than a large house and gave it to his adopted daughter as a new pet. He also got her 3 pet ponies of Diomedes from Alcides.
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>>4730603
We should keep that in mind if Alitheia ever asks us for a pet.
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>>4730607
He sure has a lot of pets for someone who isn;t a Rider. The dog gets a lot bigger if it has Divinity of a nature related to death or the underworld applied.
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Jeez I leave for a few hours and there's dozens more posts to go through.
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>>4730610
We have decided to take Sakura out for a nice dinner at the first opportunity.
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>>4730612
>feeding Sakura to Prelati
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>>4730610
tl;dr feeding Prelati to Sakura to give her more S tendencies and a side serving of immortality

>>4730615
It's almost bed time for me ok I'm retard
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>>4730610
Mostly vore posts
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>>4730615
posts take 60sec to delete you weren't supposed to point this out
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>>4730618
and sexmagecraft.
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>>4730618
We've been getting a lot of those recently, huh?
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>>4730624
blame hf3 hitting nyaa
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>>4730624
Gee, I wonder why.
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>>4730624
Its Sakura's main defense mechanism, even in OG Fate/Stay Night. I blame Nasu for implanting the fetish into the HF route.
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If we keep feeding all our problems to Sakura, how powerful could she become?
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>>4730630
she breaks 4th wall
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>>4730628
Between Dark Sakura, BB, and basically every single Alter-Ego, there does seem to be a recurring theme.
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>>4730630
Powerful enough to win the Shinjibowl outright and never, ever let us out of her sight again.

>>4730633
Nasu is a man of exquisite and impeccable taste.
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>>4730635
Shy traditional nipponjin girl in the streets, educated prostitute who will eat you whole in the sheets.
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>>4730636
Truly the ideal woman.
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>Who's at the docks?
>>4729787
>>4729794
>>4729798
>>4729799
>>4729800
>>4729804
>>4729808 (Call Waver)
>>4729860
>>4729871 (Praise Casters)

>Stare not into the abyss
>>4729796

>Who's that group?
>>4729814
>>4730373

>Who's the second largest shine?
>>4730461

I feel like asking for this map was just an elaborate scheme to let you find the new Lancer and Archer
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>>4730640
Well a majority of anons wanted to rescue them without being OOC or suddenly having psychic vision of knowing that two of Orochi's servants defected. Plus just having a map of key people in Fuyuki streamlines things so we don't have to keep voting to scry on people or things for vague reasons one by one.
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>>4730640
People can't resist the call of the gacha. But the map is legitimately extremely useful

Also, you seem to have missed some votes, including mine changing from >>4729871 to >>4730253 , but they're almost certainly not enough to change the result.
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>>4730645
Ah, sorry.
Vote changes are a pain to pick up on sometimes.
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>>4730640
i think you missed few votes.
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>>4730651
I think so too!
It was actually >>4729871 switching that messed me up, because I hovered over his vote, saw his ID, then assumed I'd already counted up to that point and that it wasn't a switch

>>4730235
Group of six

>>4730168
Group of four

>>4730162
>>4730161
>Docks

>>4730062
Instinct aid
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>>4730640
billy is a priority. absolute bro and would blast a hole through the Oprichnik forces to save you and others
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>>4730653
Sorry
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Guys
Guys
What if...
We give Billy...
The Black Barrel...
and have him...
dualwield it alongside Thunderer?
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>>4730654
So now we are going to have an adopted shota son, Aoko will have a field day.
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>>4730654
That's kind of a problem with the amount of recruiting former enemies we've been doing.

>>4730656
Except we chose not to steal the Black Barrel, remember?

>>4730657
Time for her to become a Master?
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>>4730658
But when the time comes...
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>>4730656
>>4730658
silly anons, we MAKE the black barrel.
Or possibly add the concept of "anti-magic" into his guns or something along the lines.
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>>4730658
I don't want to cuck Shiki out of big sensei groomer boobas. Honestly the only thing keeping Shiki from being a rapist is Aoko's Onee-san dynamic with him.
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>>4730661
Aren't you forgetting someone, anon?

In any case, Touko could take Billy in too.
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>>4730662
Touko builds a small harem of men while we build a large family of adopted servants and mythical kids
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>>4730640
>I feel like asking for this map was just an elaborate scheme to let you find the new Lancer and Archer
I suggested it because individually scrying isn't enough to track the locations of 15+ people.
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>>4730640
Billy boy is gonna be Mordred's newest knight that shoots people
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>>4730662
he also has two twin maids, Shiki is doing ok for himself, we should worry about SHIKI
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>>4730666
For some reason, quests tend to awaken the latent desire to be a father.
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"Caster... I think we might be best served if we were to scry on the two Servants at the docks first. They may not be aligned to our enemies, and it might be possible to recruit them to our cause." There are quite a few Servants wandering around the forests, but that's to be expected. You can at least assume that Manaka's Servants and Orochi's Servants are out and about, and may even clash with each other! Is this perhaps what God meant when he said that you needed to defeat those who were opposing Orochi too? It looks like Manaka still has to work through her Servants if she actually wants to have an impact outside her bounded fields. You also don't know if Gilgamesh would even show up on this map, as excellent as it is, the guy almost certainly has something that prevents him from showing up on even something as useful as Chártis Ermís here. There's also the problem that Enhance doesn't seem to have shown up on the map either, but he might've just decided to follow Ibaraki and her Oni out of the city, just to make sure they don't actually cause any problems while they leave. They might not actually be vampires, but true full-blooded Oni are just... not really the sort of beings that should really be left to their own devices. It's only because you were in too much of a hurry to watch Ibaraki that you just left her to do so. After all, you had to go and stop Medusa immediately, otherwise she may not have been able to stop the Gorgon from using Pandemonium Cetus on the entire city, and that would've ended up killing the entire human population of Fuyuki, a fair portion of the Servants, and probably also you.

"The two at the docks? Very well, I must admit, that I too am interested in just what a pair of Servants could be doing in such a location. It holds no real strategic or tactical importance, the human population is sparse, and the magical energy there is relatively low compared to some of the other areas of the city." Caster pulls the scrying orb out from her robe, before focusing on it, and an image soon shows on the center of the orb of a man dressed like a cowboy, gun holstered. Wait a minute... That's Billy the Kid! But... what's he doing at the docks? On a boat no less? This makes even less sense! He's a cowboy!

"Look, Lancer, I'm thankful for you saving me an' everything, but do we really have to spend all this time fixing this boat?" The Archer speaks to an unseen man, and Caster shifts the viewpoint a little so you can see the other man too. "Wouldn't it make more sense to try to find a magus who could serve as an anchor instead of spending hours on this boat? I mean, I don't really need one, but it's just a suggestion... for you, I mean." The boy in the cowboy uniform spins his gun skillfully.
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"I won't need a Master if I can just get this ship converted into something fitting to be called the Argo!"

The room watching the scrying orb goes dead silent, and all attention turns to Medea as the image of the second man appears on the screen, wearing impractical golden armor, basically dressed like a male stripper. It's indeed Lancer... better known as Jason, Captain of the Argo and Leader of the Argonauts.

"Now, help me move this beam, would you?" Jason commands Billy to help him in his current task of transforming what looks like some sort of small modern boat into some strange fusion of technology and traditional design. "This would be so much easier if I had Heracles here to help... But that's what this is all for! When I've got this ship built, I'll not only have my own supply of magical energy to exist off of, but also a means to summon all of my crew who I once sailed with!" Jason sounds quite proud of his Noble Phantasm, and Billy, after a moment's hesitation, helps the Lancer out.

Medea is speechless as she looks at the orb and of the man blissfully unaware of just who is observing him right now. She looks just about ready to explode with anger that Jason has been summoned. Her hatred of her ex-husband is... pretty legendary. Not that Jason didn't deserve the hatred. He certainly doesn't deserve Medea's love, that's for damn sure.

>"Ok! Let's... quickly move on to scrying on somebody else, shall we?" (Who?)
>"Medea, teleport Jason and Billy to us, please."
>"Medea, I think it might be prudent if we were to go and visit those two." (Take anyone else?)
>"Somebody should probably go and tell Alcides that Jason is around."
>Write-in...
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>>4730722
>It's indeed Lancer... better known as Jason, Captain of the Argo and Leader of the Argonauts.
I genuinely fucking thought it was Hektor holy fuck this is 1000% times better

>>4730722
>"Medea, I think it might be prudent if we were to go and visit those two." (Take anyone else?)
>Alcides and Illya
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>Jason
Such a shame.
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>>4730722
>>4730725
Support. Let's make this quick, we're still on the clock here.

I told you it was Jason. Epiphany at the jaws of death, people.
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>>4730722
Medea, teleport Jason and Billy to us, please
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>>4730722
>Jason
Goddammit, I thought we would get based uncle Hector. Aw well, if he gets too out of line he'll be tortured slowly and cruelly by Medea. Let's not have Alicides find out about Jason yet, Medea needs to choose what she wants to do with him.
>"Medea, teleport Jason and Billy to us, please."
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>The more righteous is Jason's position in battle, the larger the support from the crew becomes, and the frequency of the attacks will increase too.
He's gonna summon all the Argonauts and maybe even people just tangentially related to them like Achilles when up against Orochi
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>>4730722
>>4730725
Support.

Time to be bros with jason.
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>>4730725
+1, get Alcides in on this
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>>4730722
>It's Jason
I expected this, yet I'm still disappointed.

>>4730725
Support. I hope he pisses himself after hearing Medea is here.
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>>4730726
>>4730732
It's not like you know that Hector won't be showing up for certain, anons.
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Our very next move after recruiting Jason should be to call Waver. We'll need access to the extra potential Masters If Flat didn't accidentaly hack the Grail. We can't take any more Servants ourselves, Truth is a mana guzzler.

>>4730749
True. Maybe Orochi got a good Lancer on his second gacha roll
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>>4730749
I'm still waiting for Perseus, Saber had all her greatest enemies show up, Medea has too, feels like Medusa should have a chance at a grudge match
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>>4730747
How will he react when we tell him his ex-wife is going to be our current wife, and we already have a child with her?
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>>4730722
>"Medea, teleport Jason and Billy to us, please."
hahahhHAHAHAHAH
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>>4730722
Supporting
>>4730725
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>>4730750
Inb4 Second Assassin killed team Waver and pals minutes after he arrived
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>>4730753
This is starting to read like some real cuck shit, especially if Medea starts bragging about us in front of him to put him down
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>>4730761
He literally broke up with her and married another woman.
He's the definition of other with her.
Or would've been but she set everyone at his wedding reception on fire.
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>>4730722
>"Medea, teleport Jason and Billy to us, please."
>>4730753
>>4730761
The real twist of knife will be to vote to be nice with him.
That alone would probably make Medea snap.
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>>4730722
>"Medea, teleport Jason and Billy to us, please."
And lock down Billy with a binding spell while you're at it.
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>>4730761
Anons wanting to keep the wife's ex-husband around as a "bro" or "friend" is some real cuck shit. It makes no sense, why are you friends with the former husband? So that you can learn how to make your wife happy like the other guy because you don't know how to? But that's none of my business.
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>>4730772
It's less clear cut when it was all the God's fault.
They gave Medea the real Yandere sort of love charm in life.
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So we gonna let Madea kill Jason and keep Kid right? Jason is pretty useless and Madea is our wife. I don't wish for Shinji to sleep on the couch tonight do you?
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>>4730725
Support. Also lets bring along Alcides because fuck it why not
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>>4730766
Honestly I don't even think he's that bad, especially in light of FGO and FSF where he's not just a piece of shit monster like in Medea's flashbacks but a genuinely idealistic and brave person
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>>4730782
Still doesn't change Madea's feelings and between the two I'd rather not piss her off.

Can the casters let us do a Zouken and use his core to summon another servant on his class or make a class card?
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>>4730779
is that even a question?
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>>4730779
We should at the very least let her teleport Jason's nuts to the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
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>>4730777
It's not really his fault, it was the God's fault. Any normal person would be freaking the fuck out when their fiancée killed their own brother just for the benefit of their future husband
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>>4730783
Yes please, use his body to summon Scathach or something. I don't want any drama with the ex, or for "pity anons" to feel bad when Medea decides to torture him.
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>>4730722
>"Medea, teleport Jason and Billy to us, please."
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>>4730783
We can always compromise and tell Medea we'll keep throwing him first at enemies like Orochi and Manaka, probably better than and more torturous than just letting her gut him
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>>4730788
We can honestly get Flat to summon Scathach, the grail is already weird and fucky, we can just give him some random rock and tell him it's a rock from the Land of Shadows and he'll somehow figure out how to connect that to Scathach and bring her in
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>>4730779
Ideally.
>>4730783
>Can the casters let us do a Zouken and use his core to summon another servant on his class or make a class card?
I hope so. Lancer Li Shuwen would be perfect.
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>>4730790
Jason would never agree to that he likes to lead from the back. Just use his core and summon a different saber or create a class card for another Saber.

Look at his stats he's shit tier.
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>>4730796
You know, Li Shuwen can be an Assassin too and considering we don't know who Second Assassin is....
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You guys realize Alcides isn't going to let us torture one of his best friends right?
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>>4730799
Ok then we give him an option, let Medea do whatever she wants to him or force him to be a frontline and maybe Mordred's knight

>>4730801
That's the idea yes
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>>4730799
He can literally summon an entire crew of Heroic Spirits
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Even if Jason is an irredeemable scumbag (which I doubt), his Argo will buff Alcides significantly. Alcides is already our best anti-snake fighter, and we'll be going in without the bait that would weaken Orochi. Like it or not, he will be helpful.

>>4730801
Also, this.
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>>4730801
Exactly which is why I was advocating for us to not even tell Alcides about him until we know what Medea wants to do with him, which obviously isn't going to be good. But the "let's be bros" anons are delusional and doing mental gymanistics about the situation to the point of it being very cuck tier.
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It's not like jason's soul would go to sakura or illya if we kill him right?
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>>4730801
This. Epiphany from the Jaws of Death will activate, and then Alcides will get involved and he will probably fight to the death to save Jason.

Let's just give him to Illya, Alcides can keep him out of trouble and away from Medea.
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>>4730810
Yes it will.
Or maybe Manaka.
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>>4730810
We don't know. Just ask yourself this: Zouken hates us and Sakura with a passion. He designed the Grail system. He's the one responsible for making Sakura a Lesser Grail. How sure are you that he wouldn't tie his Servant's souls to the Grail just as a final fuck you?
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>>4730803
I admire the zeal you are putting do wither number of girls in harem, anon.
>>4730807
>Even if Jason is an irredeemable scumbag
He is. Thats the point of Greek Tragic Hero.
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>>4730808
>the "let's be bros" anons
Those anons only exist in your delusional mind.

>cuck tier
Gods, I hate you fucking faggots.
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>>4730810
Of course he would


>>4730811
Also its not like Billy will want to join our side if we just fucking kill the guy that saved his life, like it or not, Jason and Billy are connected, we don't have to be friends or even interact Jason but we can't hurt him if we wanna be bros with Billy
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>>4730821
Billy is basically Jason's Servant lmao.
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>>4730807
Jason grew disgusted with her from her killing all opposition due to the gods. Unlike a hero he didn't attempt to reverse the brainwashing he just left her and married someone else. Fuck him, that's blaming the victim for his own mistake. It was him who asked for it technically and the gods doing a monkey paw.
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>>4730820
You clearly haven't been reading the other votes anon, Medea hates him it makes no sense for us to he advocating for Jason for FGO reasons. Stop doing mental gymnastics, I won't discuss the obvious anymore with people who can't even look back at other votes similar to their own.
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>>4730812
>>4730814
>>4730821
This was a rhetorical question to dissuade murder anons from immediatly murdering jason. If we fucking gave morgan a second chance why cant we give jason one? Is it because he's not a girl?
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>>4730820
>Inb4 hurr, I don't see any votes like that
>>4730739
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>>4730826
So we can't vouch for him for FGO reasons but we can vouch for literally everyone else for FSN and FGO reasons? We have fucking Morgan and Mordred on our team but apparently Jason is bridge too far
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>>4730827
>Is it because he's not a girl?
that's literally the only reason why
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>>4730825
>undo the brainwashing
Directly going against the will of the gods
>leave Medea for another woman
Medea goes yandere mode and kills everyone
>don't leave the Yandere
Watch in horror as she continues killing people without remorse.

Jason was fucked no matter what.
He took the least bad option and it ended with his new bride and her entire family dead.
Then a boat fell on him.
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>>4730722
This >>4730725
Jason is based
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>>4730817
>Even if Jason is an irredeemable scumbag
We made friends with BB. We recruited Shuten. Medusa ate her own sisters. Her sisters bullied her incessantly and caused her to eat them. Medea killed her own children. Heracles killed his own family. Morgan is a fucking monster. And so on, and so on. We've recruited plenty people who've done wrong in the past. Why the fuck not him?

The facts of the matter are:
Jason will be useful. He knows Orochi's back door. His Argo buffs Alcides. Billy owes him his life. Alcides is his friend. His soul will CERTAINLY go to Sakura when he dies and she'll start degrading. He will CERTAINLY be apologetic towards Medea. There are are literally zero rational reasons to kill him, and plenty to keep him around.

This reminds me of the "Kill Ibaraki" discussion, only somehow even more retarded.

>>4730827
Because he offers nothing to the coomers, and because he's our casterwife's ex-husband, which triggers the cuck-obsessed subhumans. So basically yes.
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>>4730830
The difference is, we're practically married and have a child to a woman who hates this guys guts and would take pleasure in destroying him slowly and painfully. Everyone always took Jason's side when they were alive and she was shat on constantly because she was a witch, if we side with Jason we are just repeating history.
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>>4730838
At least Ibaraki was being a pain our ass at one point.
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>>4730840
Maybe she should have learned how to take a break-up and not murder an entire wedding reception and her own kids.
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>>4730838
We are literally Team "Second Chances." Even if he wasn't the only fucker in a tiny room to figure out the survive Orochi button, we should be taking him just for that.
Doesn't hurt that it'll make Alcides happy.
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>>4730831
Nah it's just we don't wish to fuck with one of our closest allies and mother of dragon daughter. The other recruits didn't fuck with any relationships we cared about but this has a cost in either rep or actions to recover that rep I'd possible. Besides he isn't as powerful as the other recruits. He's essentially a diplomat among servants.

Rather trash him for a resummon or class card if possible.
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>>4730838
>Why the fuck not him?
Because it is personal. Look at >>4730840 for a proper perspective on it.
And compare to "over the top monsters" Jason is your average everyday human scumbag in terms of personality.
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>>4730847
He can literally summon an entire crew of heroes if his cause is just.
He's only weak personally.
Even then, he's got a skill that is superior even to Chiron's Eye of the Mind (True): A when he's in life threatening situations.
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>>4730847
>Nah it's just we don't wish to fuck with one of our closest allies and mother of dragon daughter.
So we're going to piss off one of our other closest allies and our biggest Anti-Divinity Button?
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It's fine to kill Jason so long as if Raikou is ever summoned we let Shuten and Ibaraki eat her.
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>>4730840
>>4730847
Jason has more redeemable qualities than the people we gave second chances to, its fucking stupid that we're going to throw that personality trait of ours NOW because our waifu wants to gut him. We at least have a chance to compromise and do something to placate Medea if we spare him and put him to work, we automatically make an enemy out of Billy and Alcides if we kill him

>The other recruits didn't fuck with any relationships we cared about
Do you just not understand what Morgan did to Saber and Mordred?
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>>4730849
He doesn't like that skill because he's have to be on the front lines which he avoids. So not going to be useful at all.

>>4730850
Rather piss off someone were not going to marry. Plus if our Casters say they can make class cards then he can get fixed too.
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>>4730853
no Raikou is based and i want Medea to remove her madness and see if that does anything, i have a theory about removing madness enhancement and we never got the chance to test it out on Berserker Heracles
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>>4730854
Actually we aren't throwing away any personality trait. It's Shinji's nature not to give a fuck about other people. If it's personal then he'll actually do something. Look at BB, just because she looked like Sakura he was a dick for half the time.
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>>4730857
fag
>>4730853
agreed, fuck raikou. golden can stay if he promises to fuck our oni wife only on thursdays
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>>4730848
Medea did not kill him in her first life. She will not want to kill him now. She will enjoy seeing him squirm and beg for mercy, and she will grant. Besides, she is a pragmatic woman, so she will accept all the fucking reasons >>4730838 for not killing him.

>>4730854
Morgan has boobs anon. It's different.

>>4730856
Where does all this about class cards and rerolling come from? What makes you think this is remotely an option now?
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>>4730864
He has a don't graph and an Illya it can be done. If Ainzworth and Zouken can do it then three of the greatest Casters in history can.
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>>4730863
Okeanos was a shitstorm when it dropped on FGO NA, /fgo/ (before it split into /fgoalter/) was downright unusable because of him.
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>>4730863
He's not a waifu, so they don't care. You should know this by now, whatis.
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>>4730859
When I suggested using BB as Orochi bait there was outrage. Morgan was welcomed with open arms. Zouken and Kotomine are literally the only people we didn't attempt to patch things over with the people they'd harmed, and they were indeed irredeemable monsters. Jason is not even in the same ballpark.

>>4730863
You never thought there'd be people willing to kill Ibaraki either. Joke's on you, huh?
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>>4730859
no he was a dick to BB because she tried taking advantage of Rin and use Sakura's identity. Its in his personality to not give a fuck about NPCs, he's extremely empathetic when it comes to people he actually knows from Type Moon stuff

>>4730863
he's not a waifu and he hurt our many waifu so anons are bloodlusted even though he's not that bad of a person
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>>4730863
Its astounding how we are repeating history with a majority of anons siding with Jason over what Medea wants. Funny how he is also not even lifting a finger to cause the mental gymnastics and justifications to happen. I guess the gods truly have blessed this guy to be favored for some reason?
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>>4730872
>Zouken and Kotomine are literally the only people we didn't attempt to patch things over with the people they'd harmed, and they were indeed irredeemable monsters.
To be fair, I advocated to introducing Kirei to life as a Mapo Tofu salesman a few times. I like the guy.
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In my mind Jason's choice was a less difficult Shiro choice. In HF Sakura was possessed and mad yet he still went through shit. Jason just went to Madea this bitch is crazy let me not try to break the control.

Yes I understand it would be going against a god but you gotta take risks or your not a hero.
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>>4730874
>over what Medea wants
What does Medea want anon? I am genuinely curious.
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>>4730863
No offense but I am pretty sure you did.
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I just think you guys don't really understand the prospect of what Jason's abilities can entail either, he can summon other Argonauts, we can incarnate more heroes, Heracles, Atalanta, Asclepius, Medea Lily, etc.

>>4730875
Kirei was too far gone for the Mapo Tofu stuff, he was only able to go that route if he never participated in the 4th HGW
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>Take Alcides and Illya
>>4730725
>>4730730
>>4730739
>>4730744
>>4730747
>>4730758
>>4730837


>Teleport them to us
>>4730731
>>4730732
>>4730757
>>4730770
>>4730771
>>4730789
Writing...
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>>4730883
They just don't care anon. No one even tried to offer a counterargument to all the reasons for keeping him alive. He hurt our waifu, therefore he must die, consequences be damned.
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>>4730883
If you want power just give Alaya a call.
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>>4730885
Justice and Broship prevails!
Also, since Illya is getting more screentime, I just wanted to remind everyone that we need to fix her body and lifespan so she can be the tall, big titty waifu she wants to be.
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>>4730886
We get it, you're mad people have different opinions from you and you don't like being called a cuck. Deal with it, is this going to be another Shinji becoming meguca episode again?
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>>4730876
The one thing you do NOT do in Greek Myth is directly defy a god.
Or hell, even prove that you're better than them at something.

Jason should count himself lucky he just got crushed by his boat and didn't get turned into a horrible spider monster, or get forced to roll a boulder up a hill for eternity, or get chained to a rock to have birds peck out his liver forever.
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>>4730888
Yeah I will take Illya screen time. I haven't seen her in awhile, she must be bored.
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>>4730889
It's funny that you think your retarded insults are actually making people angry. If anything, I'm facepalming at your room-temperature IQ.
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>>4730894
You replying with passive aggressive comments proves whatever I'm doing is working anon. The smart thing to do is to not reply to me at all. Look on the bright side, your post won and I get Illya screentime.
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>>4730888
You could at least have posted a better one, you know.
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apparently Caenis and Circe count as Argonauts so they can be summoned by Jason too, Medea can see her auntie again
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>>4730891
Wasn't Medusa's thing
>"Oh you're prettier then me?"
>"FUCK YOU! NOW YOU'RE A SNAKE MONSTER THAT TURNS PEOPLE TO STONE!"
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I could have voted to tie it up but at the same time I do want to see the hole that is dug. If it gets bad the up side is one less person in the Shinjibowl.
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>>4730904
Eh, its fine. If Medea has a problem with him we could just tell Alcidies to keep him far, far away from Medea and us. At least we get Billy as a servant out of this.
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>>4730904
>>4730906
On the bright side his imminent backstab will lead to some very funny scenes.
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>>4730900
Caenis, yes.
Circe never actually sailed with them.
They just visited her island, she purified the Medea for murdering her brother, and then told her to leave immediately.
Not sure how it happened in the Fate version of events, but from what I understand, she was sort of trapped on her island, so she couldn't exactly be classed as somebody who sailed on the Argo.
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>>4730911
Nah, I don't want to risk his soul getting into her unless the war has finished. If he betrays us we'll have Medea send him to a pocket dimension torture loop,
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>>4730912
she's classified as Argo-Related in FGO so I assume its enough to be capable of a summon from him if things are dire enough
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Doesn't Madea lose the brainwash somehow? I think it's Circe but I'm unsure. So Jason had a way out if he looked for it but instead he took the cowards option of run.
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>>4730915
The Noble Phantasm is specifically for people who sailed on the Argo.
Circe is 'Argo-Related' because she met and aided Jason somewhat during his travels.
This is for the purpose of allowing her to be buffed by The Far Off Sea Route Conquered with Companions.
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>>4730891
>get chained to a rock to have birds peck out his liver forever
Prometheus did in fact get freed from his punishment at some point, if that helps. Literally nobody else knows this
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>>4730936
And it was our pal Alcides who freed him, for the record.
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Wait, I just noticed something
>This skill also allows Medusa to take one Personal Skill, Parameter or Noble Phantasm of her choice to use regardless of her current form. Finally, by using this skill to it's fullest extent and using a huge amount of magical energy, Medusa can use all of the abilities of her three forms at once. Class Skills are usually shared between forms, though thanks to this skill, unwanted Class Skills and Personal Skills can be sealed at will
Does this mean Medusiana can seal her Divine Core and still function against Orochi?
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>>4731063
ye, she can do some absurd stuff if Sakura has the magical energy for it which she does if Magical Energy EX is anything to go by
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>>4731071
Sakura definitely has the Magical Energy for this. I hadn't realised exactly how strong Medusa became.
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>>4731072
Yes, she actually became easily one of your strongest Servants, didn't you realize?
I'm pretty sure Shinji called Three Faces a Cheat Skill, actually.
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>>4731072
both the Tohsaka sisters can do absurd stuff now, Archer can spam NP and keep UBW up for an absurd amount of time if Rin goes Magical Girl, Sakura can have Medusa push her parameters and abilities at full blast while keeping her divinity sealed so Orochi can't use Nega Deity
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"Medea. I know you must... have some... complicated feelings on the presence of Jason in this war, but... If you want to kill him, then it is going to have to wait." While you don't know if Medea really does have it in her to kill the blonde asshole considering in life she killed everyone but him, right now, you're probably going to need him alive. Not to mention that if he is killed, then his soul will end up going to either Sakura, Illya... or worse. If the souls of slain Servants were to instead go to Manaka directly and skip the Lesser Grails, that would mean that for every Servant that is slain in the war, Manaka would gain more potential power. She's already proven herself capable of bringing back the Servants that were slain in the Fourth War as her minions, so giving her a fresh supply of Servant Souls... probably isn't a good idea.

"I... understand, Master. I... understand that my personal feelings towards that... Lancer, are not relevant to the situation at hand. However, I do not wish to interact with him... at all, if you wish to collaborate with him." Medea sighs. "While... Jason, wronged me in the past, it would be far too selfish of me to put my personal feelings about him above the survival of the world and all that I do actually care about... I won't deny that Jason has... certain, useful abilities." As irritated as Medea sounds by Jason even daring to exist in the same era as she is, from the way the two were talking, they are Servants without Masters, so therefore shouldn't have any sort of allegiance to a Master, it shouldn't be too difficult to talk either of the two of them into wanting to save the world, either.

"Thank you for understanding, Medea. I'm glad that you can put aside your dislike for this unfaithful runt for some time. He could be useful for us in defeating Orochi. Especially if he is as capable of summoning the rest of the Argonauts as he claims." How would that work? Would he be able to summon Medea Lily and Heracles despite the two of them already existing in the current era to some degree? Well, he might be able to summon Heracles seeing as Alcides and Heracles could be seen as somewhat different people, but it's probably not possible for him to summon his own copy of Medea, as Medea Lily is just Medea as a child. After all, if the Argo allowed him to summon duplicate copies of existing Servants, he'd almost certainly just use the vessel to summon dozens of Heracles. "Now, I'm just going to go and fetch Illya and her Servant. If anyone will be able to convince Jason to aid us, it will almost certainly be Alcides." In fact, Alcides may even get on better with Jason than Heracles himself did. Jason never saw Heracles as a monster because of what he was, and is one of the few people that even an Alcides corrupted by the mud of the grail holds respect for. The same should definitely be true of the uncorrupted Avenger Alcides.
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"Understood, Master. I'll be waiting for you here. Of course... after the war is over, it's fair game what's done about Jason, right?" She has a slightly sadistic looking smile on her face as she thinks about the man who betrayed her love and left her for another woman. Seems that even after enacting what was pretty much a complete revenge against Jason, it still hasn't properly let her overcome her lingering hatred for the man.

"Of course. If he survives the war, and you wish to enact a sort of vengeance against him still, I won't stop such a thing from happening... Though Alcides would probably have something to say about it." Medea frowns at the mention of the powerful Avenger, and then clearly begins to ponder something. You can take a guess as to what it is too. 'does a Hydra count as a Dragon?'.

You leave the room and quickly ascend to the main hallway of Rin's house, and instead of looking around for Illya and her Servant, you decide it would be far more sensible to just call out for her. "Illya! Could you come to the hallway? I need you and Alcides to help me with a quick mission!" You shout, and after a few seconds, there's a disturbance upstairs, and Illya quickly appears, being carried down the stairs on the shoulder of her Servant. In her arms is the deceptively powerful bear that houses Kiritsugu's spirit. Seeing as his current body was actually blessed and created by an actual goddess... doesn't that mean that in some ways, Kiritsugu currently counts as a Divine Construct? That's funny.

"You needed us, Shinji?" Illya has a smile on her face as she hugs the bear containing Kiritsugu, which looks at you with a lifeless expression. You still need to actually go through with the ritual to give Kerry his body back, but that can happen a little later. There's not really a rush to do it considering everything else that is currently going on.

"That's right, Illya. I need you and Alcides to come with me, it's... urgent." Honestly, you actually have no idea whether or not Jason will even be able to finish his Noble Phantasm before fading out, and while Billy isn't an issue, it's better to try to recruit Jason as well, even if Medea has a personal hatred of the man.

"What's the problem?" Alcides asks, happy to actually be given the opportunity to get out and do some actual fighting for once. As far as things go, he's not really had many opportunities to see any real action in this war, and he's yet to really be given a true chance to shine. Unfortunately for him, this... isn't the sort of occasion that requires his strength.

"Less a problem, more... a few Servants that we might be able to recruit with your assistance. Well, one in particular, who seems to have already secured the allegiance of another."

"Who?" Alcides raises an eyebrow
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"Jason." Alcides looks a little bit stunned by the revelation of the new Servant. "Now, of course, Medea is... less than pleased that he's here, but I understand that you have a decent relationship with the man, so I'm hoping that you'll be able to help convince him to aid us." It probably won't be that difficult for Alcides of all people to convince Jason. Heracles is pretty much the single one of Jason's allies that he actually cares for, or at least cares a great deal. Of course, for somebody like Jason, who much prefers acting from the back lines, Heracles is pretty much the best friend he could have.

"Very well, let's go. Master, I take it you have no issues with going to recruit these two new Servants?" Avenger sounds happy to be given the opportunity to meet up with one of his few friends in life once again. While Jason might have a bad problem with treating the majority of people around him like dirt under usual circumstances, when it comes to Heracles, he always treated him like a human, and not the monster some people saw him as.

"Not really, Avenger." Illya just shrugs a little, she doesn't really have a strong opinion on things either way. Not that you'd really expect her to have any, even if she's been sharing Alcides' memories through her dreams, it's not like she'd really have any strong opinions on Jason of all people. Though you suppose whether she's seen the interactions of the two yet. Heracles understandably has... a lot of crucial moments in his life that would need to be shared through the dream cycle. "Let's go, Shinji." Illya gives you her go-ahead, and smiles at you a little as she does. You briefly consider taking Shuten with you, but decide against it. Wouldn't want Billy getting too jumpy now.

Illya is still holding Kiritsugu as she is carried by Alcides back down to the basement with you, and it's not too long until you're back in what you could basically call a War Room at this point. "We're ready, Medea." You nod at the woman, who gives a brief nod in return. There are few words that need to be exchanged between you at this point. You made it clear enough to Medea that you dislike Jason as well for her sake, and that you're mostly interested in his potential to be of aid to you. Not to mention that Alcides would certainly take action against you and Medea if he were to be told you killed Jason.

"Tροψα!" Medea once again uses her teleportation magic to send you off, and you soon find yourself standing on the Fuyuki Dock, facing a fishing ship that is in the process of being converted into the Argo. Jason has made some surprisingly good progress with doing so, actually. Though it still looks kind of silly as it is right now.
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>>4731076
I realised she became one of the strongest, just not what exactly that meant. And I thought Three Faces was a cheat skill because of the versatility, but not that it would allow her to be so strong even against Orochi specifically.
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It doesn't take long for the occupants of the boat to notice your sudden appearance, and before long, two blond Servants poke their heads out from the top of the ship, though your appearances are relatively difficult to discern thanks to a general lack of light on the dock. "Who goes there?!" Jason calls out, looks like it's up to you to answer.

[Status Updated!]

>"Friends."
>"Potential allies."
>"The guy trying to save the world."
>"Your best pal, Alcides."
>Write-in...
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>>4731084
>"The guy trying to save the world. Along with your best pal, Alcides."

Yep, that's about as well as I expected Medea to take the news. As I said, a pragmatic woman.
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>>4731084
Friends."
>"Potential allies."
>"The guy trying to save the world."
>"Your best pal, Alcides."
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>>4731084
>Your best pal, Alcides, and some potential allies.
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>>4731084
>Let Alcides do the talking.
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>>4731084

>>"Potential allies."
>>"The guy trying to save the world."
>>"Your best pal, Alcides."
You could really just smash it all together
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>>4731084
>>"Potential allies."
>>"The guy trying to save the world."
>>"Your best pal, Alcides."
Well we're walking a tightrope now, Alcides won't stand for having his best bro killed and Medea more or less is given the ok by use to do what she wants with Jason after the war. Can't exactly be super chummy with him now, best we can hope for is to stay neutral so we don't anger either of them
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>>4731084
Deleted my old vote, I had a better idea.

>>Write-in...
Jason!
YOU SON OF A BITCH
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>>4731084
>"Your best bet on not getting eaten by a giant snake or being used as building material for yet unborn Outer God."
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>>4731084
>"Potential allies."
>"The guy trying to save the world."
>"Your best pal, Alcides."
>>4731100
I don't like having him around either, I'm just looking forward to applying True Servant parameters to his argonauts or incarnating them. I guess Orochi threw away an annoying blonde servant summoning device in a male stripper meat body.
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>>4731083
She has both incredible versatility, and the ability to Unga Bunga Smash by using the Strength of the Gorgon and Monstrous Strength to basically kill pretty much anybody she wants with one strike.
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>>4731111
Nice vore pic QM. Superb tastes.
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>>4731105
I hope we can give him some boost that pulls out servants that are also just related to the Argonauts somehow like Achilles and Chiron, I really wanna see them
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>>4731111
Yeah, I think I get it now. She and Alcides will lead us to victory.
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>>4731084
>"Potential allies."
>"The guy trying to save the world."
>"Your best pal, Alcides."
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>>4731117
It's not supposed to be a vore pic, anon.
Or at least I don't think it is?
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>>4731130
Oh, you poor, innocent soul.
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>>4731111
Checked

>booba
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>>4731130
>Medusa huffing and puffing looking hungry
>Shinji looking a bit nervous "p-please n-not right now Medusa, I'll feed you later okay?"
I'm joking, mostly.
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>>4731130
Am I wrong in thinking that our squad as it is, is capable of subduing Tiamat, were she to be released from Sakura?

Also, what are her current thoughts on us?
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>>4731150
As long as she isn't hurting Sakura or actively trying to get out of vore world I would like to keep Tiamat inside of Sakura. It would be good for Tiamat to live vicariously through a "normal" japanese woman who has a rich onii-chan/husband. If anyone would put Tiamat out of her misery it would be Gil, good thing we kept him around huh?
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Calling in 30, maybe?
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>>4730883
Jason bringing Assclap here means we can give him a tiny bit of Gorgon's blood and he can mass produce an elixir for True Immortality. Instant Ilya cure.
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>>4731165
>inb4 everyone in the party are now true immortals from mass produced immortality elixirs and become a perfected version of DAA and True Ancestors.
We're like the gods of this timeline aren't we?
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>>4731171
Haven't we been saying we want to usher in a New Age of Gods?
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>>4731165
allying with Jason has already begun to pay off
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>>4731080
https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Origin_Hydra

From LB5, Hydra aren't of the Dragon trait so I'd assume no?
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I just realized we never called Taiga and told her Shiro was ok. I'm rereading the story and we don't really check in with her. She's going to be so pissed!
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>>4731184
In our defense, we've been busy and also kinda forgotten about her. What's Shirou's excuse?
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>>4731186
ponos in vagoo
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>>4731186
sex
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>>4731187
Taiga is not going to like it.
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>>4731186
Too busy clapping white girl cheeks he a week ago and married. Gotta take advantage of the barren womb before she is incarnated.
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>>4731187
>>4731188
Alright, let's see how well that excuse flies with the Tiger of Fuyuki. It will be fun for sure.
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>>4731189
Well she better get with Waver in front of his fiance then. Iskandar approved of her more anyway.
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you know we don't really mention it that much but Medea is actually extremely fucking scary when she wants to be
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Oh and Assclap's Elixir doesn't just make you immortal, it revives the dead.
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>>4731195
Waver belongs to Reines.
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>>4731084
>>"Friends."
>"Billy, sir, I must say I'm a big fan."
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>>4731196
She did succ the soul out of vanilla Shinji in that Carnival moment
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>>4731197
yeah he's pretty busted as support, but this is Nasuverse so i doubt that revives the dead thing is so simple
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>>4731198
Poor lonely christmas cake. She got cucqueaned by Iri so she now has to cucquean Reines.
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>>4731196
Naturally. She is an Evil Witch, after all. Even if she's Our Evil Witch.
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>>4731203
It's from his Nasuverse mats. The only limiter is access to Gorgon's blood. Maybe as a servant it doesn't count, but Medusa isn't far from True Incarnation.

He put Hades out of a job in life. So ZETE squished him with a bolt of lightning because conversation is hard for him.
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>>4731205
We can always set her up with Kuzuki, he deserves a waifu after we stole his
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>>4731196
She should turn more annoying people into wands, I wonder what would happen if we turned Jason into a servant summoning wand as punishment.
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>>4731207
maybe that's the weakness, he can't use it too much or else Gaia or Alaya punishes him
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>>4731208
Now that's an excellent idea. I approve.

Assuming he didn't get eaten by Manaka.
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>>4731196
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>>4731217
Is everyone going to be vored in this timeline? Hot.
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>>4731218
>Replace Kuzuki with Shinji
>Replace squirming Issei with frightened Jason
Based.
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Alright anons best not to mention Medea is with our faction
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>>4731207
The problem is, there are no underworlds in the current era, so all the souls would immediately return to the Swirl of the Root so true revival would be impossible unless his elixir went beyond True Magic, because even True Magicians, while capable of reviving the dead, need to do so by more cheating the event and preventing it from occuring instead of just returning the dead to life directly.
However, it can probably perfectly restore a body and create a perfect replica of the soul based on the blueprint of the body.
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>>4731227
Could a bubble of Truth around a dying person forcefully prevent their soul from being sent to the Root?
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>>4731226
First recruit him, then tell him about her. Fear will keep him in line.

>>4731227
Meh. Betty can already do that and without rare material components. Asclepius is overrated.
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>>4731228
Or prevent a dying servant from being sent to the grail in that regard? Obviously it'd be expensive to maintain. But going off the later verses of the marble there's the ability to make small changes that Gaia won't revert so you could leave someone very important in stasis like that while you seek out immortality or use the Third Magic to put their soul elsewhere.
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>>4731226
eh, we should tell him but more of a
>Stay clear of her as I will not be responsible for what she does with you if you don't
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>>4731230
To be fair, if you were to rewrite the rules of the world somehow to cause souls to go to an Underworld instead of immediately returning to the Root, he would become capable of True Resurrection again.
Of course, purely theoretical.
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>>4731234
>>4731226
Turn into wand, turn into wand. In all seriousness he really doesn't have a choice either way, either he joins us or he risks being vored or killed by someone else later on.
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>>4731228
>>4731231
You've never tested Truth out in such a way, but... for Servants being sent to the Grail, probably.
For humans... probably not.

Though I think the soul does at least somewhat linger in the body for a while before returning to the Root, I don't think it's like, an immediate thing.
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>>4731238
he doesn't at all no, at least if he joins us, there's SOME chance that Medea decides to let go of wanting revenge, maybe he saves our life or Alitheia's life and she decides that they're even now
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>>4731241
I wonder how wraiths and the like are formed then? I guess one every few million deaths just glitches and the soul sticks around to seethe and cope because it's too burdened with negative sentiment?
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Something occured to me when it comes down to Orochi. Can we use his servant connection to attack him using truth? We were able to strengthen command seals, so tracing back to source should be possible.
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>>4731237
We'll keep it as a backup plan if we can't find a better way to make those we care about immortal. NPCs can't keep going to the Root, who cares.

Also, what exactly counts as "commanding" for Jason's Far Off Sea Route? How involved does he have to be in command decisions to buff Alcides?

>>4731244
Yeah, pretty much. He's alive because he might be useful and because his Soul might cause problems post-death. If he doesn't join his usefulness is very limited.
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>>4731245
Yeah, ghosts are sort of... weird. They're like unnatural occurences that the world actively tries to reject, so their souls should have probably gone to the Root, but they avoid that fate by either possessing things or absorbing energy from things.
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>>4731248
I meant can* keep going to the Root, who cares. How the fuck does a typo like that even happen?
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>>4731246
Flat was able to do something like that when Alcides stole Jack's NP so we might be able to do something similar like lower his parameters
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>>4731246
Flat could if he had a servant of his vored by Orochi. But then it's the creator of the CS system with near infinite mana vs autistic kid hackerman so I doubt it.
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>>4731257
RIP to Orochi but autism trumps reason
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>>4731246
>>4731254
But Orochi is his own Master.
Unless you want to feed him one of your Servants to try to see if you can use Command Spells to weaken a Beast/the guy who created Command Spells
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>>4731263
I volunteer Jason
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>>4731262
Command spells don't even work on Spartacus when he goes on his HUGE QUEST.
You really think they'd do anything to what is effectively a personified natural disaster?
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>>4731263
Hasn't he summoned his own servants. Can't we just subdue one of them and use truth to trace back the connection.
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>>4731283
How about whenever we find him, we manifest a small marble of Truth manifested Annihilation, and shove it down his throat then manifest a containment field to hold the blast?
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>>4731301
I'm saying we should bait out one of his servants not actually do it in front of him. Capture one and use the connection to attack him without being there.

Or see if Arc has any connections to the part that was eaten and have truth attack that way.

I wonder what our Casters can create using Gorgon, Dragon, Divine, fairy blood and truth. Make Caps super soldier serum??
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>>4730722
Oh boy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1mXO2FpI-s
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>>4731311
>super soldier serum

bro we could start our own PMC to supplement income from the one we already have. And it would be unstoppable.
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>>4731362
Why? We could already buy a small country
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>>4731362
>>4731364
Guys, we're already planning to make Chaldea, that can do both for us.
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>>4731365
Chaldea but the servants are actually alive
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>>4731391
Chaldea, but better background checks and vetting on potential masters.
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>>4731364
>>4731365

Guys I just ate some hotdogs and I had a thought. What if we bought a shotgun and then infused sentience into it?
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>>4731396
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freisch%C3%BCtz
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>>4731084
This >>4731095
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>>4731399
https://lobotomycorp.fandom.com/wiki/Der_Freisch%C3%BCtz
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>>4731399
Thats not sentience
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>>4731084
>"Potential allies."
>"The guy trying to save the world."
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>>4731393
Moneybills isn't allowed to create child soldiers
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>>4731084

>>4731095
This
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>>4731415
demons are sentient
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>>4731424
Not the gun itself.
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>>4731418
But anon, we already have a child soldiers.
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>>4731434
Technically, we have child weapons of mass destruction.
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"Well, let me think... I guess... potential allies? The guy trying to save the world...? Oh! And your pal, Alcides!" Obviously, the fact that you brought Alcides with you has made this meeting quite a bit easier than it would've obviously been. Things might've been a true pain in the ass if you couldn't get Jason to agree to trust you, and while showing up with overwhelming force might've worked, it also wouldn't have been ideal, not with a Servant like Billy around.

"...Alcides?" Jason seems a little shocked by the usage of Heracles' human name, and there's a small amount of hope in the voice of the man as he realizes that his salvation may have arrived in the form of the greatest hero of Greek myth. Even if... not in his usual state.

"It's been a while, hasn't it, Jason?" Avenger speaks, now that you've introduced him to Jason. Now that he's been properly introduced, he doesn't wait for permission to speak to one of his best friends once again. Despite not being granted any sort of special powers or weapons or items like some other Heroes, Jason still endeavored anyway. In a way, you suppose you could call his efforts inspirational, even if he basically only relied on others to do most of the work, it still takes a pretty impressive type of person to get all those different personalities to work together.

"Archer! Stand down! These really are allies!" Jason quickly gives Billy an order, and the gunman seems to relax a little bit as Jason says that. "But... Alcides? Is there... any reason you've taken to that name?" Jason seems to have relaxed heavily with the presence of Alcides. Honestly, especially given that Alcides and Jason share a bond of trust with each other, and Alcides isn't the sort of person to show up and back stab one of his dearest friends in life after offering a hand in friendship to him once more. Hell, even Alcides when corrupted through grail mud would probably kill his Master before betraying Jason.

"I've been summoned without any of my divinity, right now, I'm as human as you are... well as human as you could call a Servant, anyway." Avenger crosses his arms. Though you remember that Jason did have a small amount of divine blood from a god, but clearly not enough that it really counts as enough to count as him having any sort of divinity as a Servant. It's simply too diluted.
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"Thank you, Alcides." You take a step closer to the boat after thanking the Avenger for his part in getting Jason to trust you. "Lancer, Archer, I am Shinji Makiri, and I represent a... faction of Servants that understands that the Holy Grail War is a sham, and are working together to bring a stop to the two potentially world ending threats in play. Yamata-no-Orochi, the false Beast and the Divine Spirit possessing the body of my ancestor..." Lancer and Archer both tense up a little at the mention of the name. "And the bigger threat, and the potential threat to every single timeline and reality as a whole, Manaka Sajyou, a girl attempting to force an apotheosis into an Outer God upon herself to attain true nigh-omnipotence."

"That... doesn't sound good at all..." Jason sighs, looking a little pale. "You lot, don't just stand on the docks like that! Any friend of Her- Ahem, Alcides' is a friend on mine!" The trust that Jason shows for Alcides is really kind of warming. The two really do share a great bond with one another. You wonder how Jason would've faired if he had this version of Alcides with him during the Atlantis Lostbelt. An Anti-God Servant like Alcides would almost certainly be capable of taking out a few of the lesser gods single-handedly.

You quickly go along with Jason's suggestion, and climb aboard the boat. "So, do I have an answer as to whether you're going to going to help us or not?" You get the conversation back on track when you get back on the boat.

"Me and Archer here... we have a history with that Snake Bastard already, after he summoned us and then tried to eat us both for being 'too weak'. Just like the bastard did with Rider and Assassin, it was only thanks to my quick thinking that either of us survived with our lives."

"It's true. If not for Jason, I definitely wouldn't have been able to have gotten out alive." Billy frowns as he looks down at his pistol with an annoyed expression. "There's really only so much that a man with a gun can do against an opponent after he shoots him in the head and he just shrugs it off and keeps monologuing at you like nothing happened. Mouthy bastard." You can only imagine what sort of events could've led to Billy shooting Orochi straight in the head, but the fact that even something that ought to have been immediately lethal to his opponent wasn't effective would've probably made Billy give up any chance of survival at that exact moment. Of course it was Jason who was capable of getting the two of them out alive. If there's one thing you can rely on him to do, it is survive dangerous situations when he knows his life is on the line. He's like the Servant equivalent of a cockroach, honestly. About as tough to kill as the Berserker Heracles, but for an entirely different reason. Whereas Heracles will take your strongest shot and keep on coming at you like an invincible Goliath, Jason will make sure that you don't get to hit him with your strongest shot somehow.
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"Don't worry, I've already begun to devise a few methods in which to get rid of Orochi once and for all." There's a few methods you could take that would allow you to overcome the practical immortality of the monstrous serpent god. You could see if Sakura could somehow trick Orochi into getting himself absorbed by her while still in a human sized form. You could try using Truth to kill him, you could ask Gilgamesh for assistance, you could see if Shiki could strike him in one of his Death Points, you could see whether or not Alítheia is up to the task, and finally, you could try to use your ability to manipulate Truth against him somehow.

"Well, I'm glad that at least somebody else has some ideas for killing him, I was hoping to maybe use my Noble Phantasm to summon Medea to see if she could advise me on how to kill a God... With any luck though, it'll summon her when she's young, she's much more appealing, both in appearance and personality." Oh no. He just had to bring her up, didn't he?

>"I'm sure that she'll be... happy to advise you."
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
>"How dare you talk about my Servant like that."
>"Alcides, would you mind if I punched Jason really quickly for that comment?"
>Write-in...
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>>4731454
>>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
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>>4731454
>Punch him
>"How dare you talk about my Servant like that."
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>>4731454
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
>"Alcides, would you mind if I punched Jason really quickly for that comment?"
We're allies with the Servant cockroach, but we're not friends. Let's make sure he knows where he stands. Alcides knows exactly why we would want to punch him and he won't hold it against us.
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>>4731454
>>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>>Punch him
Noooooope, too far, I have a soft spot for him but you cannot insult our wife
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>>4731454
>>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
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I think we should punch him since Medea is watching,and we should stand up for her, but we shouldn't antagonize Alcides either...
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>>4731454
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
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>>4731474
>but we shouldn't antagonize Alcides either
He just insulted our wife in front of us. Alcides will understand.
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>>4731474
I think Alcides will give us a pass, if someone mouthed off about Illya, he'd rip their throat out, its not gonna be different with us
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>>4731474
I agree, which is why I opted for asking him. Doing anything else seems too lenient. He'd probably forgive a surprise gutpunch too, but I'm sure Jason will give us many, many more chances in the future and it'd be better to clear the air now.

Also
>You could see if Sakura could somehow trick Orochi into getting himself absorbed by her while still in a human sized form.
Now there's an intriguing thought. I assume doing that would mean going in alone with Sakura and hoping he opts to talk long enough to get close to him. It's a shame the chances of it working are pretty much zero.
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>>4731454

>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
>"Alcides, would you mind if I punched Jason really quickly for that comment?"
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>>4731454
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
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So, since multiclassing is a thing, could we make Billy a Gunner/Archer? We should try it when we get the chance
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>>4731454
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
>"Alcides, would you mind if I punched Jason really quickly for that comment?"
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>>4731484
I think Gunner is a Servant class that just allows servants to have skills from two different classes, Billy would likely have stuff from Archer and Rider
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>>4731454
>Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting.
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>>4731454
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
>"Alcides, would you mind if I punched Jason really quickly for that comment?"
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>>4731454
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
>"Alcides, would you mind if I punched Jason really quickly for that comment?"
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>>4731454
>"Alcides, would you mind if I punched Jason really quickly for that comment?"
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Alright, I'd like to write another update, but I guess it's just not possible today for that.
Too tired.
Poor Jason just doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.
Good night!
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>>4731501
Okay

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>4731504
I should be able to have a more prosperous day tomorrow when it comes to posting updates.
I'm surprised that you haven't figured something out yet.

Pic unrelated to anything and everything.
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>>4731510
I think the pic is just meant to imply "They both have terrible luck"
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>>4731510
I believe he's checking out her ass.
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>>4731501
he hit a nerve he shouldn't have
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>>4731510
>I'm surprised that you haven't figured something out yet.
wut
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>>4731454
>"You are absolutely going to regret those words."
>"Medea is almost certainly watching this entire meeting."
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>>4731513
at least Lancer is based and had the fight of his life or kills the villain and saves the girl, Sacchin lost her route
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>>4731501
Snake style right into his solar plexus
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>>4731528
motherfucker, what did we miss? Is it Waver? We never figured out those dice rolls we did
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>>4731536
Shit man I dont know. For all we know it could be hitler getting summoned.
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>>4731501
He absolutely deserves it, the prick. I really hope we don't end up giving him a pass for this. Night WhatIs. Looking forward to tomorrow.

>>4731536
Oh, shit, you might be right. Were those gacha rolls after Flat accidentally hacked the Grail?
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>>4731531
Or he gets japed by True Assassin and eaten by Sakura.
They can't all be winners.
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>>4731542
The meme trifecta will be complete soon
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>>4731454

>>4731463
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>>4731544
2/3 isn't bad at all

>>4731543
we joke about Flat but he's genuinely one of the hand full of people that's straight up better than us at Magecraft, he might accidentally hack the Grail and give everyone powerful servants. WAIT WHAT IF THE FUCKING ROLLS WERE SERVANT ROLLS?
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>>4731554
>WAIT WHAT IF THE FUCKING ROLLS WERE SERVANT ROLLS?
That's exactly what I said too, anon...
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>>4731554
It's more that the guy operates on the magical equivalent of cartoon physics.
He eventually becomes a Chaos monster if Waver never finds him
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>>4731559
i can't read
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>>4731554
>he's genuinely one of the hand full of people that's straight up better than us at Magecraft
You can't really compare yourself to Flat. The two of you are both extreme outliers that don't really abide by actual magical laws.
You especially.
Also, you've done far more impressive stuff in the past than he has by using Truth.
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>>4731563
What we must do now is obvious: We must work with Flat to hack Truth itself.

Also, WhatIs, if we do end up punching Jason I want to second >>4731533 for snake style right into his solar plexus, but also at maximum reinforcement. He's a Servant. He can take it. And if he's become weak enough that it would be a lethal hit, he'll just get an Epiphany that a Japanese schoolboy would absolutely kill him for insulting Medea and it would be even funnier.
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>>4731563
idk we actually have a mind for that kind of thing, Flat is retarded but he still figures out how to do absurd stuff when he feels like it
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>>4731570
The difference between you and Flat is that you've got an understanding of magecraft and you can use normal magecraft very well against normal magi enemy to easily defeat them.
Your true strength however lies in using Truth to run rampant over the rules of the world.
Flat meanwhile has no real care for the laws of magecraft and does what he wants all the time, but even he has his limits.
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>>4731581
Well first thing when we meet him is to plot to make the worlds best, tastey, appealing, minor constipation causing, burger
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I just wanna lie to Flats and give him some random rock and say its connected to Rama or Enkidu or Scathach and see if he actually tries something
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>>4731599
Draw a random rune on a rock, see if he summons Scathach or Brynhildr with it. Or even Odin.
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Alright, I went looking for the rolls. Waver and his party rolled 4d100. Orochi and Mordred rolled 2d100, first for catalyst second for quality. 3rd d100 might have been for class, but I can't figure out the fourth.

Also, some Anon's analysis for Orochi's rolls:
>>>Saber
>>Rolled 35, 87
>Orochi catalyst Saber who is as strong as Gawain.
>>>Lancer
>>Rolled 99, 2 (3)
>Random Lancer with around Saber Gilles level power.
>>>Archer
>>Rolled 91, 30 (43)
>Another below average random Servant.
>>>Rider
>>Rolled 52, 35 (36)
>Somebody with compatibility with Orochi but weak.
>>>Assassin
>>Rolled 66, 27
>Hello, Bad Hand Hassan?
>>>Caster
>>Rolled 63, 63
>Random above average Caster.
>>>Berserker
>>Rolled 84, 75
>Random strong Berserker.
I found it funny that Jason's Quality was almost as low as it gets.
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So, have any of the plans for defeating Orochi changed, or are you still gonna go for the Alcides plan?
I'd like to know just what sort of roles you'd have everyone take for the eventual showdown with him.
In an... ideal situation.
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>>4731604
>>Hello, Bad Hand Hassan?
He's gotta die just for killing my man Cursed Arm, he deserved better
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>>4731615
Incineration of Humanity.
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>>4731615
I just wanna see how far sniping Orochi can get us considering we have two projection geniuses, Alcides and Karna. Karna can probably out range Nega Deity if he can will power his way out of it
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