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You are Shinji Matou, eight years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.

To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have hopefully already shifted the future away from one which will feature your violent end, and have massively shifted it towards one that will have a completely different outcome in store for you, be it positive or negative.

Currently, you are plotting to save your sister, Sakura and kill your 'grandfather' Zouken, with the aid of two of your allies, Gray and Monica Eisenmann. The plan involves you using your magecraft in order to purge the crest worms infesting Sakura's body, whilst Gray and Monica destroy your ancestor Zouken's physical body. In doing so, you will kill the old worm, once and for all!


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Last Thread: >>4371173
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"Alright then Monica. Let's go. I'll tell you everything I know about Zouken and his magecraft when we get to he apartment with the other person I have working on this for me." As much as you would like to spend some time messing around with Monica, time really is of the essence at this point, and you don't want to leave Gray waiting either.

"Oh? You have somebody else on the mission already?" Monica sounds interested in this development.

"Yeah, you remember that girl we uh... 'liberated' from that village? She's actually one of the stronger people in the Mage's Association now. In fact, I doubt that anyone there is capable of surviving her strongest attack." Honestly, there's not even that many actual Servants that could survive a full power Rhongomyniad head on. Heracles as Berserker... maybe? But then again, you're pretty certain you remember hearing that a full power Excalibur would've shredded all his lives in a single blow, so maybe not even him. Gilgamesh could survive though, simply by stacking dozens of Noble Phantasm shields and heavily relying on his armor.

"Her... strongest attack?" Monica sounds intrigued by that. That Gray has an attack that you consider strong enough to be a threat to literally everyone in the Mage's Association. Of course, there are some people that could likely overwhelm it with their own attacks, but even Zelretch or Aoko would surely perish if they were caught off guard and hit by the energy of Rhongomyniad. A battle of glass cannons, naturally.

"That's right, an A++ Rank Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm. You didn't think all that talk about her being King Arthur's descendant was just for effect, did you? She's really very strong... If a little bit inexperienced." It's hilarious just how much better a weapon Rhongomyniad is compared to Excalibur. Not only is Rhongomyniad comparable if not greater in strength, it also ranks up your parameters AND can turn you into a Divine Spirit if you overuse it... Well, that last part may not exactly be beneficial in most cases, especially when the Divine Spirit you become is very much not 'you'. If Gray or Arturia could access the power of the divinity held within the spear without succumbing to it, then they would without a doubt be more than capable of destroying a majority of the threats that you face. Even Gilgamesh would have some difficulty defeating the true power of Rhongomyniad... Though he would likely manage it anyway, unless his arrogance prevented him from using his full strength against her. Then again, if he were up against an actual Goddess and not Saber, then you doubt he'd hold back, so probably best to shelve that idea. Especially because you have no idea if it would even be possible to have Saber or Gray retain their personality upon becoming a true Divine Spirit. Then there's the issue of actually keeping them maintained in the world. Divine Spirits are even more difficult to keep manifested in the world than Heroic Spirits are, after all.
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"She was... hiding that kind of firepower?" Monica sounds bewildered at the idea of the small innocent looking girl hiding such destructive power, an A++ rank Noble Phantasm is seriously no joke, after all. It's the sort of thing that could destroy a good chunk of the Clocktower if she was to decide doing such a thing was necessary. Outside of Avalon or maybe an exceptional defensive Noble Phantasm on the level of Akhilleus Kosmos, there's really nothing that could defend against it other than something of equal destructive power like Excalibur, and you doubt that a Dragon Ball style beam clash would be healthy for the structural integrity of the building.

"She still is, actually. It's only thanks to a little bit of research on my part that I found out about that particular ability of hers at all. In truth, I believe she quite dislikes actually using the Noble Phantasm." The true function of Add isn't one that Gray would really reveal lightly to anyone, and it's only thanks to your knowledge about her that you already had that you are aware of the actual strength she possesses. Though even without the use of Rhongomyniad, Gray is no joke. Add is still a pretty exceptional weapon by itself, having been created by a first class Magus like Morgan la Fay. Who should at least be at about the level of a Grand Caster considering her ability to oppose Merlin. Speaking of Merlin, if you ever meet the Magus of Flowers, you're going to need to berate him for his complete failure to stop Cath Palug from becoming Primate Murder. Though it hardly makes any sense that Cath Palug, a cat, was tied into being Primate Murder, a dog or wolf. Nasu probably just thought it would be a cool tie in to his older works or something. It doesn't actually make any sense at all to tie in Primate Murder as Cath Palug of all damn things. Why couldn't he have just made it Fenrir, like a sensible person would have? "But we really ought to get going, Monica, we'll need to discuss the actual specifics of the operation and about Zouken's abilities with Gray, so we can actually delegate what will need doing properly."

"Very well, lead the way, Shinji." Monica follows you out of her office after locking up the place, and the two of you end up making some small talk as you catch a cab back to the hotel you and Giselle booked.

When you walk into the lobby of the hotel, you notice that Gray has arrived before you, and is waiting patiently for your arrival. She perks up when she notices your arrival, and in a wordless exchange, she begins following you and Monica into an elevator.
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Monica taps her foot impatiently as the elevator rises. "I never liked these damn things, always afraid they might short circuit and plummet to the ground." Whereas other magi might hate the idea of automated elevators on the idea that they are just another example of technology and scientific principles taking the world over, Monica's dislike of them is far more practical. For somebody who specializes in electric and magnetic based magecraft like her, then something like an elevator would probably feel very uncomfortable to ride in, knowing that she's only one accidental use of her magecraft away from causing the damn thing to plummet downwards out of control.

"You should have said something, Monica. Next time we'll take the stairs if you feel like that about using elevators." Really, you don't like that she feels uncomfortable at all, especially because her sense of unease is perfectly justifiable. It's not like she's yelling about cameras stealing souls or something... Even though there's almost no doubt that at least one jackass magus has actually made something that does something to that effect.

"No no, it's fine, really. I'll just bear with it." A good thing too, you really don't want to have to climb up and down 27 flights of stairs to reach your room or to leave the building, respectively. While you're fit enough to do so with ease, it would just be a total waste of time when you could take the elevator. But if it would make Monica more comfortable to do so, then you'll take the stairs back down. It's not like you'll be spending any more time than you'll have to in London now though. You've managed to get your allies together, and you have enough money to charter a flight if you can't get one to leave the country by today.

When you're all inside your room, you begin to inform your allies of Zouken's abilities as well as his weaknesses. First making sure to send Giselle on a long errand so that she doesn't eavesdrop on the conversation. She's actually very quick to agree to your suggestion, almost as if she wants to leave you to your private conversation. "Zouken primarily focuses on his familiars, the crest worms which compose his body. He can use them in a variety of ways they excel at the consumption of human flesh and can take flight should they be required to. Zouken was in his prime a Brand rank in the Clocktower, though don't let that mislead you, he was apparently capable of potentially fighting Servants when he was in his prime... But he's not at the same level of power anymore, he's just a tricky old bastard. Thankfully he doesn't actually have any reason to suspect this attack is coming, nor does he believe that anybody could truly kill him thanks to his disgusting way to survive even should his body be destroyed."
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"Which is...?" Monica asks for you to elaborate on the method to actually ensure the old worm's death. It's just a shame that you can't get Shiki involved on this, but you wouldn't really want to mess up the events of Tsukihime by forcing him to see death points sooner. The more he uses his mystic eyes, the stronger they get, and no doubt he would be forced to rely on a blindfold much sooner if you had him develop them to such an extent. Still, all he would need to do is strike Zouken in a death point and even his heart worm would dissolve away into nothing, despite the separation from his main body. Still, causing him to go effectively blind just for Sakura is a little too much for you, especially when you've managed to figure out a way to potentially save her without doing so. Nevermind how much doing that to Shiki would completely derail the plot of Tsukihime, and it's sort of important that it resolves in a positive ending.

"The heart worm hidden inside my sister. It's what houses his soul. Which is what I'll be focusing on destroying while you two focus on destroying his physical body. Oh, and while I don't really care about the house, please both of you do your best not to completely reduce it to rubble. It does contain quite a lot of magical knowledge and artifacts on account of Zouken's age." You tell your allies honestly. While you certainly would prefer if the house remained standing by the end of all this, you certainly wouldn't care if the damn place was destroyed. The only thing of any value in that place is what Zouken has managed to amass over the centuries anyway. If it does remain standing though, you do intend to do some serious renovating of the place, and you kind of want to fill the entire basement with concrete.
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Your two allies give you resolute expressions. They seem to understand exactly what it is they'll need to do. You don't really think either of them have much to fear from Zouken's actual magecraft, thankfully, and now that the two of them are well informed of his nature as a magus suited to trickery, they'll likely be extra cautious when it comes to exterminating him. No sudden realizations that worms have eaten their feet for them... you hope. You'll end up discussing tactics with the two of them in far greater detail on the flight to Fuyuki anyway though, so there shouldn't be a problem. "If he primarily focuses on organic familiars, then I'll use my magecraft to form a barrier of electricity around myself. Anything that gets close to me will be given a shock great enough to stop a human heart. It should be more than enough for these worms of his." Monica reveals her tactic of choice, and one that is likely a hard counter to Zouken, so long as he doesn't pull anything unexpected. "But yeah. I'll be careful. I've faced off against some real tricky bastards in the past. Almost died to a few of them too. I'm... well accustomed to avoiding traps. I can only hope that my... co-worker is so experienced."

"I will do what I can." Gray's face remains determined as Monica gives her opinion on her, Monica is clearly underestimating Gray thanks to the girl's age and inexperience, or maybe she's just worried about her?

>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
>"There's one last thing I want to do in this city before we leave for Fuyuki." (What?)
>Write-in...
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>>4382814
>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
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>>4382814
>>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
So what happens if we destroy the crest worm before they attack Zouken?
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>>4382814
>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
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>>4382811
>Shinji has no appreciation for non-magical antiques
Damn, what a shame. I thought we raised him better.
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>>4382814
>>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
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>>4382814
>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."

REMOVE WORM

Get ready boys, cat is out of the bag after we pull this off. I bet the priest will make the correct conclusions.
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>>4382814
Leave tonight, we going on our private jet?
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>>4382851
The antiques are worth jack shit. We can buy new antiques.
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>>4382814
>>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
It's been about one month or so since we started this quest. It's all been leading up to this.
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>>4382909
Legit though, this has been what i've been looking forward to, fuck the HGW and Tsukihime, killing Zouken is perfect
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>>4382915
Im still looking forward to the grail war but this is the fulfillment of the premise of this quest. I dont really know anything about Tsukihime
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>>4382930
For me, the fulfillment of the premise of the quest will be finding out whether we can keep Shinji alive through the grail war. Everything else is gravy.
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>>4382814
>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
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>>4382814
>>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
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>>4382814
>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
TIME TO COOK UP SOME WORM
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>>4382814
>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
We can celebrate after Zouken is gone
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>>4382814
>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
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Omg I'm Cummings
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>>4383151
e. e. cummings is a memey poet, go look them up
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>>4382814
>>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
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Do we get a roll bonus to remove worm if we force feed Sakura deworming pills?
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Time for a late night fun fact.
In thread 1, the image used as a portrait of Monica is actually genderbend art of Misaka Mikoto from Index.
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>>4383549
he looks so effeminate for a guy
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>>4382814
>"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things. We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki."
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"Now that's out of the way, I think it's time we actually got on with things." You turn away from your two allies, looking out of the window and at the city below. "We leave tonight and will immediately begin preparations upon arriving in Fuyuki. I don't want to waste a minute from this point onwards." You quickly decide that the sooner you get all this resolved, the better. No point in drawing things out.

"Alright, alright. Let's be on our way, shall we?" Monica agrees with you. "Though it might be an idea to wait for your maid to return. Do I even want to know why you are apparently employing one of the Einzbern's Homunculi as a personal maid, Shinji?" Monica finally brings up Giselle's presence, you were actually waiting for that.

"It's a long story that involves the Holy Grail and the upcoming Holy Grail War. For the sake of simplicity, I'll just say that she is the result of me forming an alliance with the Einzbern to help them to seize the Holy Grail. I intend to put a permanent end to the Grail War, one way or another." Be that through the destruction of grail or the recovery of the Third Magic, you'll do whatever feels like the right thing to do at the time given your resources. If Angra Mainyu can be removed from the grail and the Third Magic can truly be achieved, then you may just go for that route. Of course, that is only if it can be recovered without Illya actually dying. If that is not a possibility, then Angra Mainyu or not, the grail is going to be destroyed.

"I see... But really? The Einzbern? Aren't you a little worried that they'll back stab you? They aren't exactly the most reputable family these days, you know. Anyone evil enough to employ the use of fully thinking and feeling slaves is a pretty rotten apple in my book. Speaking of... That maid of yours, you're treating her properly, like a human, right?" Monica asks with a small amount of concern for Giselle in her voice. Most magi wouldn't have a shred of care for homunculi, but then again, Monica isn't exactly a magus.

"I've really only had her with me today, and I tried to refuse her. It was only that the Einzbern wanted to spy on me that she was sent at all. It was one of those situations where I really had no choice but to except, otherwise they might've had the poor girl executed simply for no longer having a use for her." You tell Monica the truth about Giselle, it's not really like you wanted the Einzbern to give you your own personal maid, after all. If you wanted that, you could just hire some. Though you suppose they wouldn't have the same loyalty that Giselle has. Or at least would have, if you didn't have the sneaking suspicion she has been ordered to betray you should you betray the Einzbern "Also of course I'm going to treat her like she's a human being. Do you really think I would be so heartless as to act otherwise?"
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"No. Of course not." Monica smiles a heartwarming smile at you as she reveals just how much she believes in you having a good nature. It might be misplaced, after all. All the good that you've done is really a side effect of attaining your goals. At least your goals at heart could be considered good, but the motivating factor behind everything you do in some ways could even be called insidious. Now really isn't the time to begin questioning your own moral worth though. After about twenty minutes of waiting around Giselle finally returns, having finally come back from the errand you gave her to keep her distracted. Namely, finding instant ramen. She has a slight smile as she reveals through the bag she's holding that she has had success in locating a store that sells instant ramen.

"Now then. We're all here. So let's get going. Giselle, you'll be staying in the Einzbern Castle when we get back, right?"

"That is correct, Master Makiri." Giselle confirms the situation, at least you won't have to worry about her spying on this next operation too much. Not that she's shown herself to be a very effective spy at all.

"Makiri?" Monica repeats after Giselle. She's probably wondering just why it is that you're using a different name, so you decide to give her a quick explanation before you set off for the airport.

"I wish to distance myself from the Matou, so I've decided to take up the name we had when we were still a relevant family of magi. From a time before we single-mindedly pursued the grail without focusing on anything else. Right now though, I hardly need more of a reason to hate him. It's just going to cloud my judgement if I focus on how much I loathe him." Really, you don't want to start making foolish mistakes now. When you finally remove Zouken from the equation, you can truly reveal things to Sakura at least. The girl you've basically been entirely focused on saving for the past eight years. You just hope you aren't going through with things too early. But you can't just allow her to keep suffering. "We can talk more about it on the way though. As of now, time is wasting, and I wish to get back to Fuyuki as quickly as possible." You leave the hotel room without another word, gesturing for your allies to follow you downwards. You take the stairs this time. None of your allies complain. Gray and Giselle are far too stoic for complaints, and Monica much prefers taking the more mundane way to descend the building. It's not like you'll be coming back to this hotel room anyway, and you don't think anybody really minds walking down stairs. Soon you're out of the hotel and on your way to the airport.
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It's noon. You arrived in Japan a few hours ago and have finally managed to get to the apartment you purchased in order to plot your ultimate revenge against Zouken, and finally put an end to Sakura's unjust and undeserved suffering. You don't know just what will happen should you succeed, but there's no option but to ensure that you do.

"So, Shinji. Just how exactly are we going to go about doing this?" Monica once again asks for your input on things. "Gray and I know just about what we need to do, but I believe you wanted things done on a strict timer, right? You're going to perform this magical operation on your sister, while we focus on actually killing Zouken, to prevent the chances of his retaliation, correct?" She perfectly summarizes the plan of action, but really, there are quite a few ways you can go about things.

"That's about right, just ensure that you completely obliterate his physical body without a trace. He's still incredibly deadly even if you think you've managed to kill him. So do not let your guard down until after I have given you the all clear." You really don't want Monica or Gray to come to harm, especially not now, when you're so close to grasping your first true victory in this world.

""Understood."" Gray and Monica say in unison, before shooting each other quick looks, the two of them don't really seem to know what to make of the other. The two of them are both oddities among magecraft practitioners, after all.

"So, how are we going to go about starting the operation?" Monica asks the question you've been waiting for. The last question that you need to answer before you will be able to save Sakura.

>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."
>"We'll wait until night falls before we make our move. I'll pretend as if everything is normal all the way up until we strike. You two will attack while I am in the house with Sakura, and you will pretend to be assailants with nothing to do with me. That way he'll be even more blindsided when I use my magecraft to deal with him."
>"First off, I'm going to try to lure Zouken out of the house through some clever deception, then, when he's not under the protection of the dozens of bounded fields of the Matou Residence, you two will strike and destroy him. I'll say that I overheard some enforcers talking about dismantling the grail or something."
>Write-in...
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>>4383604
Wait till nightfall
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>>4383549
Originally, Monica was a very different character, though that changed early on in the planning stage.
I probably should've changed her character image to reflect that.
Ah well.
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Take Sakura and clean her if worms. This will clearly alert him, but if we clean her properly he will have to come after us ASAP. Set up the best bounded field you can in a safe location to do this in. See if we can teleport by altering the truth of our location. If we can, set up a bomb just in case he goes after us. When he comes after us, he will be forced to leave the house. Get Grey/ Monica to wait for him outside the house - when he leaves to deal with us now that Sakura’s safe, have them attack him in the street so that he isn’t inside any possible bounded fields he has.
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>>4383614
The bomb is in case he goes after us some other way, and doesn’t use the street. It might also be a good idea for one of them to wait in the sewers near the Makiri house, since he probably has an exit there as well, and leave if he goes after the other in the street.
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>>4383614
Let’s call this plan
Heal Her First, consequences later
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>>4383604
>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."
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>>4383604
>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."
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>>4383604
>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."
HERE WE GO BOYS
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>>4383604
>>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."
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>>4383604
>>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."
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>>4383604
>"First off, I'm going to try to lure Zouken out of the house through some clever deception, then, when he's not under the protection of the dozens of bounded fields of the Matou Residence, you two will strike and destroy him. I'll say that I overheard some enforcers talking about dismantling the grail or something."
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>>4383604
>>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."
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I have too superficial knowledge of the universe to contribute but I have some questions.
-do we have means to lure the bastard to some sort of battleground of our choosing? Ambush in his dwelling may catch him unawares, but he will have home turf advantage. In contrast if he’s lured out he may be more attentive and with ready precautions.
-do we have an agreed point of reunion after action so we can make follow up plans right after?
-do we have any backup tools to employ in case of anything unforeseen happening (defense we were unaware of, third party presence we did not expect). Tools like weapons, magic, vehicle, knowledge of a circumstance we have not yet altered, means to contact an ally.

Just floating some points to stir up discussion as people are probably afraid to vote given stakes of what’s coming down.
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>>4383604
>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."
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>>4383669
No matter what we do we’re bound to wind up in trouble
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>>4383669
Luring him out is risky, but Monica and Gray are probably going to die if they fight him inside the mansion.
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>>4383684
I get a feeling that no matter what we do Zouken will just b line towards us anyway
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>>4383684
Even then, how are going to lure him out
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>>4383689
We take off our space rock and yell at him through the window, I guess?
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>>4383693
>Brick through window with note on it
>haha bet you can’t get me zoucuck 3:00 parking lot
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>>4383694
I vote for this
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>>4383604
>"We'll wait until night falls before we make our move. I'll pretend as if everything is normal all the way up until we strike. You two will attack while I am in the house with Sakura, and you will pretend to be assailants with nothing to do with me. That way he'll be even more blindsided when I use my magecraft to deal with him."
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>>4383694
Be there or be square nerd.
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>>4383612
So I guess that means Monica's canon look is probably something like Misuzu than a genderbend Mikoto at this point, which is pretty great if you ask me.
Misuzu is fucking great.
It's also pretty fitting personality wise if you ask me...
How big Monica again? Any less than 91cm and I'll be disappointed.
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>>4383838
I, for one, always pictured her as Chain
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>>4383843
I imagined her looking sorta like that too actually, but that sorta haircut and suit is the standard look for most christmas cakes so it's not that surprising. I'm sure most people that didn't quite remember or notice that original image were thinking along those lines too.
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>>4383843
I pictured her like bazette and taiga together
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>>4383694
This sounds fun. I want it.
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>>4383694
Kek. ill support this
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>>4383694
>>4383653
>>4383604

Guess I have to support my joke now as a legit opinion I want to call him zoucuck
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>>4383604
>>"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware. I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving."
how are we deworming Sakura again?
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>>4383977
Truth Flame Blast
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>>4383977
We're gonna yell "The power of Truth compels you!"
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>>4383979
>>4383981
>>4383983
based, we made the right decision
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>>4383981
>I am truth given form
>I remove lurid worm
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Do it for her.
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>>4384113
>Doing it for her
that's a few steps away from
>Doing her
which may or may not happen, but do we want to make happen eventually?
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Man Illya got really tall
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>>4384382
Cursed, but I don't hate it.
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>>4384382
Is something going on with rins legs
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>>4384511
Nevermind I see what’s wrong with everyone now I was just focused on Illya
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Why do the Einzbern make their homunculli so attractive?
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>>4384553
If you could wouldn't you?
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>>4384553
There are no unattractive women in Fate. These are probably considered fairly plain in universe. If anything, they’ve got a little bit of Taiga’s sisterly look.
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>>4384977
>There are no unattractive women in Fate.
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>>4384553
A little something called culture.
>>4384977
>There are no unattractive women in Fate.
False. Look at Shirou's schoolmates.
>These are probably considered fairly plain in universe.
Read Hollow Ataraxia, they aren't considered plain in universe.
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>>4385003
Rin is perfect and you know it.
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>>4385034
The sole rinfag has awakened
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>>4385003
I love rin. Saber has my heart but Rin is definitely the most physically attractive if the three main heroines. There are no unattractive girls in fate
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>>4385003
My tastes have evolved over this one past year alone from
>Sakura < Saber < Rin < Saber Alter
to
>Saber < Rin < Sakura < Saber Alter
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"I'm going to go and fetch Sakura right now before taking her to a secure location and drugging her while she's unaware." While you don't exactly want to have to do any of this, and drugging Sakura makes you feel bad, it's not exactly like there's any choice here. "I want you to attack Zouken either thirty minutes after I leave the house, or if you notice him leaving in a hurry." Hopefully these two will be enough to deal with the old worm. You're really pinning your hopes on the two of them. If they should fail, then it's unlikely you or Sakura will get to celebrate her liberation for very long, as Zouken's revenge will be swift and ruthless. Of that much, you're quite certain.

"Alright then. Are you really certain that you've made all the preparations you need for this?" Absolutely not, but when it comes to this sort of thing, you're never going to get yourself into a position where you're actually certain that whatever it is you've plotted will be enough. Even if you had the overwhelming magical expertise of Caster or Touko aiding you against Zouken, you'd still have a nagging doubt that whatever it is you plotted to do would fail. But still, you have to try. You can't just let things go on like this any longer. You've had enough of hiding your true abilities from the people you care about the most, and the first step in telling them the truth involves the eradication of Zouken. As it is, only Touko is really aware of just what you can actually accomplish. Of course, it would be a lie if you said that this wish to reveal your strength was your true motivator, but you do wish you could just be truthful with everyone about things. Especially Sakura, the girl who has been your true motivation for these past eight years. Whenever you hit a wall or struggled, a single look at Sakura was all that you needed to keep you going. She was always struggling more than you were. While your goal for the Grail War and achieving your own happiness was a driving factor, it was Sakura who was the core behind everything. Now... Now you'll finally save her. If you can save her, it will prove that these past eight years of relentlessly gaining strength weren't for nothing.
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If you succeed here, then Sakura will no longer need to put on that brave face every day. To pretend to you that things are alright when in actuality they are as bad as they could possibly get. No longer will she have to force herself to smile, no longer will she have to face the unjust pain wrought upon her by Zouken. Sakura will never be forced to suffer her cruel fate again. "Yes. I'm certain. There's no going back now. I've come too far and to just get this far and give up out of fear." Even if you are still terrified of Zouken. What if he realized what you were up to a long time ago? What if he's already put counter-measures against you? What if... What if you can't save Sakura? No. There's no sense in self doubt now. If you succeed, Sakura is saved, and if you fail... well, you suppose you'll probably die. Hopefully, Shirou, Rin and Saber will be able to succeed in saving Sakura even if you should fail here. It's not exactly all too comforting a thing to think about, but at least it means you wouldn't die completely in vain.

"That's what I like to hear. Shinji-kun." Monica at least has faith in your false bravado. You can only hope that her faith in you is well placed. You've come to considered Monica as a dear friends, and other than Touko, the most reliable person you know. Even if the two of them have some pretty major flaws in that department sometimes, they are still far more reliable than any other person you've ever interacted with. You suppose Waver is kind of reliable, but he's not really strong enough to be much help. Gray is strong, but hardly somebody you can rely on to solve a situation by herself at all. She's just Waver's Takeuchi approved sidekick. Shirou is somebody you know that you'll definitely be able to rely upon... when he's older and is actually strong. As he is now, you'd just end up getting both of you Bad Ends if you tried to ask him to do anything risky, while he's much stronger than he would've normally been without your influence, he's still not at a level where you're comfortable asking him to put himself in danger for your sake. You don't even know whether Rin will still feel obligated to heal him if he gets fatally injured by Lancer this time. Though thinking things through logically, Lancer shouldn't have any need to be poking around the school without the presence of Archer and Rin at the school at night. So without Rider setting up Bloodfort Andromeda on... well your orders, that shouldn't actually happen.
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>>4385140
Sakura in the first being greatest right?
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You leave the small apartment and wish both Monica and Gray luck in their half of the operation. You managed to convince Shishou to hand over a small amount of that paralysis drug she used on you when she activated your circuits a while back. It's apparently more potent than any mundane anesthetic available, at least according to her. The apartment is only a short walk from the Matou Residence, you made sure of that when you bought it. It's a highly convenient location, and should be an excellent temporary place to stay should the Matou mansion not make it through the next hour.

You knock on the front door of the Matou mansion, while you have a key to the house, you're expecting to be greeted by Sakura which will make getting her out of the house even easier. Only the door opens, and Sakura isn't behind it at all. Instead, the man you had hoped you would never have to see again is right here in front of you. You force a smile as you look at the man. "Grandfather. I'm back from my extra curricular trip." You try keeping your tone pleasant. With any luck, you'll have this old worm dead within the hour. You can't reveal your hatred of him just yet. You're just lucky that Zouken doesn't care enough to confirm your constant extra-curricular tricks with the school. Well, you did put a few things in place to ensure that even if he did, you wouldn't be in that much trouble unless he really started prying. For one, you made sure to hypnotize the school faculty into believing you really were on a multi-day trip. You can hardly rely on your puppet for things like this, after all. It's good at deceiving your teachers and other students, but when it comes to deceiving magi, even Shirou could see right through it. Never mind that it would be even more suspicious if you just had it continue going to school whilst you weren't going home at night.

"It is a good thing you have returned, Shinji. Your father... he fell terribly ill whilst you were away... and he perished just last night." There's a faint ghost of a smile on the old bastard's face as he recounts the story of your father's death to you. You'd long since accepted that it was going to happen around this time now, and you were never very close with Byakuya, even before gaining your second set of memories. You get the terrible feeling that things have already started to go wrong. "And now... Now Sakura is ill too. You aren't aware, are you? Of the creatures inside your dear sister... You see, Shinji... Sakura has a terrible condition, where an irremovable parasite has infested her body, and will kill her unless... Well unless she is to undergo regular... sexual intercourse." The words you were dreading finally arrive, and at the worst possible moment, too.
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"So... you... you can't be saying...?" Still. You need to keep up the facade, so you feign some ignorance at just what it is that Zouken is asking of you. Things aren't unsalvageable just yet.

"Yes. You've always been close to your sister, haven't you? This is the only way for her to survive... There's no other way." Zouken lies to you through his teeth. "But you should hurry, Shinji. I've managed to slow the progress of the parasites within her, but they've already begun devouring Sakura from the inside out." He smiles... The smile of true evil. Of a man who enjoys causing suffering, it's all you can do to keep the expression on your face one of shock and horror instead of one of hatred and wrath. You should kill him right now. You think. But you cool your emotions. "Yes. Grandfather." You've got no choice but to at least pretend to accept. His grin grows ever wider as he hears you accept. You hate him. You hate this old worm more than you thought it was possible to hate somebody. You're going to take great joy when you finally erase him from the face of the planet.

But for now, you...

>...have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
>...feed the crest worms with your own mana. By taking off your necklace and giving Sakura some of your magic infused blood, it should stop the crest worms from devouring her.
>...go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
>...snap off the necklace sealing your power, reinforce your body to it's maximum, and kick Zouken as hard as you possibly can.
>Write-in...
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>>4385170
Proceed with the sex
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>>4385170
>...go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
>Notify Monika and Grey to act now, change the truth of the room to there's no way in.
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>>4385164
Well we’re gonna be monitored now. Any chance we could signal our allies? If we could in a credible way without alerting zouken something’s off, this could work for in our favour. And would drugging him work?
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>>4385188
>drugging Zouken
Stop it anon, you're making me laugh
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>>4385170
>...snap off the necklace sealing your power, reinforce your body to it's maximum, and kick Zouken as hard as you possibly can.
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>>4385185
Supporting.
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>>4385185
I'll support this.

As much as I would like deliver a kick to gramps I feel like it would be a terrible idea.
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>>4385170
Oh Fuck!
I'm a fucking idiot!
I really should have known some shit like this was happening. Here I thought Zouken would have been forcing Byakuya to work till his dying day, but of course not. Of course poor Sakura has been getting eaten alive this whole damn time. Shit!
Welp, we can't really go for his throat now, that would be a definite dead end. I really don't want to risk taking off the necklace at any point while inside or near the manor with Zouken's attention on us. We can't even get in contact with our team because they don't have fucKING PHONES! God damn it guys, I really don't wanna fuck her like this, or at all really, but it really does look like we're gonna have to go through with it.
Just one more fuck you from the worm before we put him in the grave I suppose.

....we could always drug her before we do it. Make it extra clean, make sure she doesn't remember as to not further her dependency or trauma. Eva Shinji style jerk off to her comatose body and slide the goo inside.
...actually hold on.

What if we just tell him we plan to do this from the start? Minus the drugging part.
Does Zouken really care if we actually fuck her or does he just want us to get her the energy, because if we can use our charisma to get the opportunity to fuck off to the store for some condoms or some shit so we can do the above plan, i.e. claim we'll use the condoms to get her the energy, we could instead fill one of them with our blood or some shit and get it to her that way!
If he won't go for it, then we'll simply have to go through with it, because every other plan provided is a damn trap.
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>>4385170
>...go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.

Any way we can signal Grey and Monica now?
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>>4385211
You can try signalling them from a window.
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>>4385210
Can pretty much agree, my only problem is just look at him, do you really think he is going to be the type not to insist on watching from the corner?
Even if not he's going to know somethings up once we start burning them and with our companions ordered to wait for him to leave to go in early, we'd be screwed.
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>>4385210
What the hell did I just read. Where did I leave my bleach, I have to find it.
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>>4385170
>...go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
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>>4385230
>Can pretty much agree, my only problem is just look at him, do you really think he is going to be the type not to insist on watching from the corner?
Fair enough, but I think it's still worth a shot. All we really need to do here is make sure Sakura is stable and keep up appearances just a bit longer. What we're doing isn't suspicious, any brother would insist on a way to keep their sister safe without directly having to fuck her, and hopefully with our charisma is high enough that we'll be able to get Zouken to give us a pass just this once.

>>4385237
I genuinely don't understand what your problem is here.
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>>4385170
>>4385185
Supporting this
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>>4385250
Preparing to samefag again, coomer?
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>>4385252
Was testing if my pass was working
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>>4385248
Hope so but I'm not counting on it, to me high charisma to convince rational people to act the way we want is one thing, convincing an irrational lich to give us a pass when he thinks we're too far beneath him to negotiate with, who currently has all the leverage in this scenario, is used to centuries of kin doing as he says immediately or getting wormed, and enjoys psychologically breaking people to control them, doesn't leave me with much faith that he might.
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>>4385170
>...go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
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>>4385263
You are 100% not wrong to have your doubts. Still, nothing beats a failure but a try. Even if it doesn't work, we should at the very least give it a shot.
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>>4385270
I'm not saying not to try, I'm saying without a good write in add on everything other than the coomer option seems like it's doomed to fail and I hate that one on the principle of it; to me:
Trying to negotiate would likely get us dumped in the worm pit or lead to combat,
Trying to deworm her now would set off his alarm and get us killed if we don't signal our allies, assuming he even gives us a chance to
Taking off the necklace would set off its own alarm when we go from 0-9000+ if he has anything monitoring magic output
trying to attack - might- give us a chance, if we focus on property damage to draw monica/grey in to assist but at the same time nothings stopping him from stopping Sakura's heart since that's clearly what set it off
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>>4385283
Then we coom
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>>4385283
>trying to attack - might- give us a chance
Certainly not as the option is written. Remember what Zouken's body is made of; he can dissolve at will and move around as a swarm in HF. Kicking him is just a ticket to getting our leg eaten by worms, that's why we need Monica to use a field of electricity if we want to eliminate his "main body" swarm. Honestly, I still think we're in the no-win scenario here and this is all a runup to the dead end where we get told we should've waited until the grail war to try and kill him.
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>>4385170
Can we, like, grab Sakura and jump out of the house, and maybe to the roof of another building to get to someplace we won't be seen as quickly as possible, then proceed to do the blood thing to slow the worms down before extracting them?

If we can just get outside the house we can ensure Zouken is distracted by Monica and Gray while we work on Sakura, but I don't know about our chances of doing so without Zouken immediately trying to get the worms to kill her.

Might be better to just do the
>...go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
And then immediately leap out a window so Monica and Gray can fight Zouken and possibly heal Sakura if she took any damage from the worms before we destroyed them, since we'll be out of mana after using our Truth power to destroy them.
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>>4385170
>>4385185
Supporting
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>>4385291
Why I said if we focus on property damage, attacking him directly is suicidal while smashing the front door would signal them in but at the same time he'd definitely know we're behind it and this'd turn into a hostage situation.
I still think negotiating is a bad idea because trying to do anything that hints at us being anything other than an obedient pawn is going to make him monitor things more closely.
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>>4385185
If there's no way in then they can't help us.
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>>4385170
>>4385185
Support
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>>4385170
>>4385201
I'll switch to this >>4385294
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>>4385283
>Trying to negotiate would likely get us dumped in the worm pit or lead to combat
I doubt it would be that bad. It is perfectly reasonable to try and suggest alternatives, and it's easy to walk back on it if Zouken doesn't take it well. While Zouken doesn't see much in Shinji, he still needs him to some extent so I doubt we'll be thrown into the worm pit just for bargaining.

>>4385294
>>4385301
>Can we, like, grab Sakura and jump out of the hou-
No
>Why I said if we focus on property damage, attacking hi-
No.
Guys, we can't fucking attack him at all. He can, and would, cripple or severely hurt Sakura from a distance with the worms in her body.
He's very much aware that we care a lot about Sakura so letting him know we have absolutely no intention of doing what he wants rather than having normal trepidations will definitely get us in the worm pit.
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>>4385302
No, no way into Sakura's room. So even if Zouken tries to get in he can't
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>>4385312
If we do that we probably won't have enough to rid sis of the worms
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>>4385312
We won't have enough energy to change an entire room and burn the worms at the same time.
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>>4385306
I'm not advocating attacking him, though you pretty much spell out why he think it's a retarded idea because the only way I can see it working means abandoning the goal of saving Sakura, we can try to negotiate, but even if it works I doubt it'll make him ignore us completely if anything he'll watch things more closely since we'd act like we have any control over the situation after we just got back from disappearing again for several days.
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>>4385185
>>4385170
Support
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I just fucking realized, why didn't we also ask Rin to help us? She's a top tier Magus at this point, she's not gonna say to say no to help save her little sister and Gray, Monica and Rin teaming up to gank Zouken ups the chances of victory, genuinely should've thought of that before now fuck
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>>4385374
Because Rin hates us? We tried getting closer to her, but she shut us out.
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>>4385390
yeah she hates us but she's not gonna let her pride or hate get in the way of saving her little sister, she's distant but she's not gonna let that thing stand if we told her
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>>4385396
How would we tell her when she doesn't even talk with us?
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>>4385404
name drop Sakura and tell her that there's something urgent involving her
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>>4385170
Backing >>4385185
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>>4385170
>>4385211
I'll switch to this >>4385185
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>>4385185
>change the truth of the room to there's no way in.
Are you sure that's a good idea?
I think there's a pretty huge problem in doing this...
It's got nothing to do with Zouken either.
Can you guess what it is?
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>>4385480
Where to begin? What all gets locked out of the room? Air? Light? Gravity? Does creating no way in also create no way out? Do we overdrain our magic and either combust or pass out? The idea is so risky I can't guess which flaw will screw us over first.
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>>4385489
It might even do some weird fuckery like forcing us back out instantly, because if the fundamental truth of the room is that there's no way in then we couldn't have gotten in there in the first place.
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>>4385492
Or hey, it might be one of those Occam's Razor situations where the room just becomes a solid mass because that's the most direct way of making it so that there's no way in.
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Perhaps changing the truth of the room to be anti-Zouken Makiri? Too specific?
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>>4385498
How about worm denial area?
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>>4385480
Can we change it instead to changing our location? Or that no one can enter?
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>>4385480
Are we capable of changing it to "Zouken can't enter"? Seems like it would be a minor version of "nothing can get in". I mean, would Shinji know it?
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>>4385511
The manipulation of concepts requires you to understand the concept you are manipulating or manifesting.
Shinji understands the concept of "a room". The area of effect.
He understands the concept of "everything" the target.
And he understands the concept of "impassible". The effect.

He doesn't however understand the concept of individual beings.
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>>4385521
Well shit.
Guess we can just not do that part?
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>>4385521
Wait, but we understand the concept of the crest worms enough that we can make fire that burns only them? What, did we get access to Zouken's secret files on how they're constructed? Otherwise I don't see how we'd understand them any more than we understand Zouken.
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>>4385521
Hmm... Can Shinji change the truth of the "location" of the room? So that the room is out of Zouken's reach for now, instead of it being anti-him?

I guess that's kind of Reality Marbling tho...
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>>4385525
It's the same as how you can understand the concept of "everything". Even if you can't comprehend it's scope.
You understand the concept of "Familiars" of which Crest Worms are a valid target yet Sakura is not.

To understand the concept of a person is a little more difficult.
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>>4385531
Changing the location of the room is a better option then, possibly changing it so it's beyond the reach of enemies? Enemies is a broad enough concept that includes Zouken right?
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>>4385534
>changing it so it's beyond the reach of enemies?
You might want to consider just how well such vague wording will serve you.
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>>4385538
Changing the truth of the room to "It is out of the reach of familiars, those not already in there and those that are not me."?
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>>4385546
>those not already in there
But if the Heart worm is in there, and Zouken's soul is in that, it might count as he's already in there and let him in.
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>>4385538
What about making it so the room dissolves any crest worms within it?
We'll call it Worm Fort Andromeda.
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Give it up guys, WhatIs clearly doesn't want anyone to ruin his precious keikaku.

>change the truth of the room to there's no way in.
It's a monkeys paw

>changing it to "Zouken can't enter"?
Shinji doesn't understand the concept of individual beings. Somehow.

>changing it so it's beyond the reach of enemies
It's to vague

Are we supposed to start writing code in C++ just so you can't twist everything to your liking?
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> We’re already a disappointment - admit the terrible truth to Zouken - we’re gay. We can’t get it up for Sakura and therefore can’t have sex with her.
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>>4385594
Pfft. If only that ever worked.
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>>4385594
>Nothing one of grandpa's special ass worms can't fix!
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>>4385594
Even better, admit Shirou is our one true love and if he wants us to really get off he should go fetch him. Either he leaves the house to fetch him, or he lets us do so.
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We don't understand our own power to use it. We should have waited like how things were in the original story. Best bet is to go along with what zouken wants. Hopefully Sakura and Monica don't hate us too much afterwards. We can try to signal them from the window before the deed. Though that might cause us to rush and fuck up the surgery. One thing that was mentioned about our necklace awhile back was that it could kill or eliminate magical beings. I still think it's somehow key to saving Sakura.
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>>4385598
Sacrifice that precious booty to save Sakura!
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>>4385586
>>4385608
Let's try Wormfort Andromeda. >>4385574
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>>4385586
It was always the case with Wish-type spells that at the end of the day they are open to interpretation.

I don't think OP wants to fuck Anons over, which would be possible no matter what, but I reckon he'd rather we worked for the victory.
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>>4385185
Support.

>change the truth of the room to there's no way in for old men.
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this is a tough one
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>>4385676
The funny thing is if we had just remembered that Sakura wasn't getting raped every night anymore, we could have prepared a vial of blood or something to give her.
Hindsight is 20/20 I suppose.
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>>4385170
>...have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
Let's just do it.
Its the only way to make sure we can actually successfully kill Zouken.
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>>4385684
I mean, Zouken is also expecting you to take advantage of your sister, pretty sure if you tried to subvert his orders, he'd either kill you or force you to do it, its not just about keeping Sakura alive, its to make her suffer and break her
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>>4385170
>>...have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her
we're virgins right? We also don't know if we've ever jerked off before so we're probably super sensitive. As long as we calm down we will nut in seconds
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Fellas, we need to pick something besides encasing Sakura and us in a wall.
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>>4385170
>>Write-in...
Create a field that makes any crest worms within the room dissolve.
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>>4385771
Yeah that’s retarded. Especially with Monica and gray coming to kick ass
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>>4385772
Worms are canonically in the walls too. Those will all converge the moment the dissolving happens, and we get worm'd. No way
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>>4385789
If we're sustaining the field they'd all melt.
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Why not just Truth death on to him? Technically he is dead so shouldn't that give us a boost in kill him with our magic?
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>>4385833
Probably not, but we could possibly reinforce our body to be quicker or more precise during the deworming.
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>>4385851
We're burning the worms, so precision and speed shouldn't be an issue. The real problem is that we don't have an escape route or an easy way to contact our allies.
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>>4385876
Don’t we have a cell phone or am I mistaken
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>>4385882
We do, but they don't.
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>>4385170
>>...have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
why not wait for a better time? It doesn't hurt to satisfy the crest worms first and then proceed with the plan.
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plus, I'm really not convinced that manifesting truth here would really work out. Conceptual shit in nasuverse tends to have complicated interactions that aren't immediately obvious. Wishing to seal the room can have any number of side effects, and wishing Zouken dead might not work at all because as QM said before, conceptualizing a specific individual can be difficult. I'd caution everyone here against abusing Truth. (and feel subsequently "railroaded" if things don't work well) Let's just sate the crest worms first, then get Sakura out and kill Zouken in a less complicated circumstance.
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>>4385889
Oh lawd
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>>4385898
Honestly, it'd probably work out fine if we set the room to just melt any crest worms inside it or that enter it.
It's direct, to the point, and doesn't do anything dumb like blocking out air/light/gravity
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>>4385890
>>4385898
You're not going to get anywhere arguing caution, anon. We've been getting nothing but success updates and timeskip buffs for enough of the quest that players feel invincible, and like they can make anything work as long as they put together some kind of a plan. Even killing Zouken, one of the most durable characters in FSN, 2 years before the war. Look at what happened when we backed out of going along with Kerry. Even with QM confirmation that it would've been a hell of nonstop failure, we still had people bitching and moaning about how we would've made everything work out if we'd just stuck to it. The only way people are going to learn that Shinji has limits is if we go with one of these ridiculously audacious plans and die horribly.
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>>4385210
>because if we can use our charisma to get the opportunity to fuck off to the store for some condoms or some shit so we can do the above plan, i.e. claim we'll use the condoms to get her the energy, we could instead fill one of them with our blood or some shit and get it to her that way!
If this worked and Zouken let us leave, couldn't we just send in Monica and Gray?
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>>4385914
We could, but we also need to worry about the possibility of flying worms scouts or some shit. It's best to assume that now that he's paying attention to us, we need to be on our best behavior.
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>>4385912
Yeah, this quest has been smooth sailing so far but I am really concerned about how anons seem to overestimate Shinji's origin. The ability to decide what is true is, at first, quite powerful, but without pinpoint precision and knowledge about how the world works, it is very unpredictable. Take a straightforward concept like "see the future", Nasuverse has two kinds of precognition with completely different mechanisms and connotations about how time works. The stillness origin, while seemingly more about preventing movement, actually has weird interactions MEoDP, which in turn is "see how to kill something" made complicated. So many concepts are more than meets the eye, and eventually our ignorance would backfire.

>we still had people bitching and moaning
um, I guess I happened to be one of them, though not because I was confident. I just felt that it made the previous vote meaningless and a complete waste of time.

>>4385910
I'm not entirely sure what would happen to Sakura's body if the worms just suddenly stopped existing. Other anons voted for this approach, though, so I will not contend it.
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>>4385912
Honestly I just find bad ends interesting and in that case there was some blatant ass samefagging from the anti kerry alogs.
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>>4385170
Tell Zouken you have erectile dysfunction and need to buy some viagra with Sakura at the mall's pharmacy
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Can't we just burn the entire house down with the Truth flame and take out Sakura and Zouken that way?
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>>4386052
anon, we're not trying to kill Sakura
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What's with the resistance here?
We all knew this would happen, fortunately it'll only be once rather than over 2 years.
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>>4386064
I don't wanna rape Sakura anon.
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I feel like our only option is to just drug Sakura, set her on fire with the familiar destroying truth flames, then grab her and jump out the nearest window, hoping Monica and Gray will be able to intercept Zouken before he kills us. Alternatively after Sakura is being cured via Familiar flame we try to throw Zouken out of the window ourselves.

I mean if antagonizing Zouken before beginning to cure Sakura will result in the worms destroying her before we can save her, then we can't do anything to Zouken before then.

Alternatively could we take Sakura into a room then seal it so that only friends could enter it? Since enemies is too vague and everything would kill us somehow.

Alternatively could we use the truth flames to burn 'evil' so that they'd hurt Zouken as well as the worms, as while we don't fully understand Zouken to target him specifically we do think of him as one hell of an evil guy?
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>>4386077
>Alternatively could we use the truth flames to burn 'evil' so that they'd hurt Zouken as well as the worms, as while we don't fully understand Zouken to target him specifically we do think of him as one hell of an evil guy?
We can target the worms. We appearantly understand them enough to do so, so we make it so that any worms that are in or enter the room get destroyed.
If Zouken enters, the same would happen to him since he's made of worms.
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>>4385912
>The only way people are going to learn that Shinji has limits is if we go with one of these ridiculously audacious plans and die horribly.
I can think of worse ways, can only imagine the 180 players would make if we get hit with a hard penalty like 'burnout a magic circuit everytime we die'
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>>4386069
It's not even rape, its calming down the crest worms.
Shirou did it, and nobody calls him a rapist for doing it.

Why are we still voting to box ourselves in ?
It's a guaranteed dead end.
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>>4386180
Maybe I dont want to lock into Sakura route for no reason other than convenience and to appease the coomers?
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>>4386180
idk, it just feels bad even in this situation, we're about to kill Zouken, Shirou at the time was helpless

>>4386184
I wouldn't mind desu
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>>4385170
I'm convinced. We need to reserve Truth Flame for Sakura. No room shit.
>...have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
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>>4385185
this
>>4385170
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>pretend to go along with zouken's plan
>signal Monica and Gray from the window
>stall with hesitance and/or foreplay while they arrive
>manifest a flamethrower that burns only zouken's worms
>join in the fray

how would that work?
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>>4386233
sounds good to me
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Sounds good, but it’s probably a bit late. Next update should be out soon judging by the time.
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If that old bastard thinks he's going to get the better of you, then he can think again. You've already got a plan to save Sakura, and as long as you can signal Monica and Gray through the windows, then the plan can still continue. All you need to do is manifest the concept of 'Unable to be entered' on the room you take Sakura into, then you'll be able to go through with the procedure even with Zouken in the house. You only hope that Monica and Gray can actually get a message from here. Damn those two! Why can't they just have mobile phones like the rest of the civilized world?!

"Very well. Grandfather. But.... Is there no other way?" You pretend to plead with the old worm, but you know that it's a futile effort. It's only that you can't allow him to grow suspicious of you that you bother saying anything at all.

Zouken thinks that he has you, and tries to make a reassuring smile, not that it would ever be able to reassure anyone, nor is it actually supposed to. "I'm afraid so, Shinji. This is the only way to save Sakura from the suffering she's currently going through." Zouken lies. No, there's another way, Grandfather. But you aren't going to like it.

You walk up the stairs slowly. You really don't want to seem enthusiastic about things, for all Zouken knows, you're going upstairs with the intent to rape your sister, and not going upstairs with the intent to kill him once and for all. So despite the knowledge that Sakura is in pain and suffering right now, you still restrain yourself from going too quickly.

Soon enough, you're in Sakura's room. The girl is wearing a white nightdress and her eyes are closed. You can only tell of the incredible pain she must be going through from the pained expression of her face and the occasional spasm she makes. Is she even awake?

You walk up to Sakura and raise a hand to her cheek, cupping her face in one of your hands. You can't allow this sweet girl to continue suffering like this. No. You won't allow it! You then throw a chair through one of the windows. You don't know if Gray and Monica will be able to infer that the situation has changed from that, but it's the best that you can do in such a short time.

"No more." You take the necklace off with a flourish, snapping it off and unsealing your great magical power. Now you know that you have mere seconds before Zouken notices your deception, the ambient energy you release from taking off the necklace is enough to change the atmosphere of the room. You place your hand on the floor of Sakura's Room, visualizing the entire area. "I am Truth given form." You utter the first line of your aria, and you can feel your magecraft become more receptive to you. After visualizing the room, you apply a concept upon it. A concept that prevents absolutely anything from entering for as long as you keep the effect up. While you can exit the room freely, this room should be completely inaccessible to everything that exists.
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The manifestation works, but you soon come to a terrible realization. It's taking far too much of your energy to keep manifested. As of right now, you won't even be able to make a cinder to clear Sakura of the worms, never mind an inferno. You keep the effect manifested regardless. Hopefully you can disable it when Gray and Monica have dealt with Zouken, but you can't actually hear anything going on from outside, just silence. Fifteen minutes of keeping up the manifestation, Sakura still squirms in pain, and strangely, it feels as if the air is getting harder and harder to breathe. You check your body to make sure you haven't taken any damage, yet you don't find anything. Could Zouken have managed to find a way through your defense? No. Impossible.

Another five minutes pass, and you are forced to kneel down on one knee. You feel... weak. It's all you can do at this point to keep the barrier around the room manifested. What is happening? This isn't the result of overusing your magecraft! That feels completely different! Then it hits you. The terrible terrible error you made. You made a room in which things can leave, but nothing can enter. You didn't restrict it to people either. Right now, this room is completely sealed off from the rest of the world. Of course, nobody can enter the room, but what also cannot enter the room is sound, for all you know, the battle between Monica, Gray and Zouken has already reached it's conclusion. But even more important than sound... is air.

You only have the strength in your body to attempt to change the manifestation once. You still can't disable it, otherwise Zouken might get in with his worms and it would all have been for naught. You have no idea what's going on outside, so it's just too risky to allow that to happen. Though as you crawl along the floor, you seen realize just how hopeless things are. You just... don't have the energy left in your body to make such an alteration to the room now. It's not a problem of magical energy either. But a problem that has arisen from depriving the human body of oxygen for too long. Things start to go blurry, and then you can no longer sustain your consciousness. The whole world goes pitch black as your body dies as a result of being deprived of it's most basic need.

DEAD END
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>>4386184
you aren't locked into a route just because you had sex.
>>4386191
See, I view it in the completely opposite fashion. Our Shinji, unlike the original Shirou, actually has the potential to get rid of Zouken. Is it not the best, then, to maximize our chances and really commit to solving the root of Sakura's problems? Choosing to rush the plan, and therefore risking failure, just because of some instinctive distaste in having sex kinda sounds unreasonable.
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If you would like to beat the game yourself,
or if you would like to keep the characters' images, please be warned.
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You awaken with your body still lying on the floor in a pathetic heap, though the room you awaken in is a completely different one to the one you just died in. The polished wooden floor and the Japanese design could really only mean one thing...

"Hello! Is everyone doing fine?!" It's... Taiga. "After an eight year long delay, we have finally received our first new student!" She announces cheerfully. "I'd... introduce the Taiga Dojo more thoroughly, but you already have the gist of it, don't you, Makiri-kun? I suppose I'll just save them for Shirou-kun" Taiga skips the introductions of the Taiga Dojo. "The gist of it is is that you died!" Taiga looks around the room with an annoyed expression "This is usually where I'd have Student Number One say something, but a few years back she announced. 'Oh, don't be ridiculous, Shinji is far too smart to get himself killed before the grail war!' and took off. But I guess she was probably a little hasty in her judgement.

"While as nice as I find all this, Taiga. Can I go back yet? I do still need to save Sakura, after all." This mood whiplash is just too much. You just asphyxiated to death.

"Don't you dare try to skip this scene!" Taiga hits you on the head with the Tora-Shinai. It stings. Badly. "No! You need to know just what went wrong!" You rub your sore skull as Taiga begins to explain. "I'll keep things simple if you want to go back so quickly. You got too over-confident. While your magical skills are pretty great, you're still not immune to making a mistake like this one. You still need to breathe, after all! If Student Number One was here, she could probably provide some more insight, but she's not, so I'll just say this!"

Taiga points towards you. "You can't keep Zouken out of the room at the same time that you get rid of the worms."

"Wait? That's all the advice I'm getting? What does that even mean?! How does that even help?!" You yell at Taiga, who just shrugs at you as the doors of the dojo close and you find yourself floating in darkness for a few moments.

>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
>You feed the crest worms with your own mana. By taking off your necklace and giving Sakura some of your magic infused blood, it should stop the crest worms from devouring her.
>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
>You snap off the necklace sealing your power, reinforce your body to it's maximum, and kick Zouken as hard as you possibly can.
>Write-in...
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>>4386275
>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.

Please, anons, no rushing this time. Stay levelheaded and understand priorities.
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>>4386272
Air? I could understand Zouken taking over Sakura and killing us since his Crest Worm is in her so his soul could be argued to also be in here or him drawing prana from our spell to defend himself thereby forcing unsustainable cost upon us, but even in a smaller room we would have hours of air for two persons.

I mean I did expect a dead end, but suffocation is just.. what?
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>>4386278
It wasnt a sealed box.
It was a one way barrier.
Air could exit the room but not enter it. You also blocked out sound too, so you had no idea what was going on outside.
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>>4386278
normally yes, but this isn't a sealed container. air can't enter but can readily leave, and honestly there are many more ways to kill us with that wish.
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Dis dumb. Our magic would fail due to us losing consciousness before we truly suffocated.
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Was expecting this to fail though.
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Also, this is literally the most autistic way to die
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>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
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>>4386285
Who's to say you truly suffocated to death? Zouken is still in the building. Remember?

>>4386288
I did try to warn against it, but nobody officially changed their vote.
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>>4386281
If you want to argue for emptying the room of air that makes a lot more sense, even if we would have noticed that immediately. The air pressure rapidly falling is not something you easily miss.

Frankly not perceiving the outside world is not really a problem, if you are forced to drop the barrier or die then you really should drop it even if you can't perceive if Zouken is dead or not.

>>4386284
>honestly there are many more ways to kill us with that wish.
Yes, I even mentioned that? You seem under the impression I disagreed with a dead end, when I merely found how it happened befuddling.
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>>4386275
>>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
I fucking knew it
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>>4386275
>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
So we are back to my first pick.
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>>4386291
Shinji tried to alter the barrier to make an exception for air, but by the time he tried he was too late.
He also wouldn't have died from suffocating, and the manifestation would've ended when he fell unconscious anyway. Problem is all the crest worms in the house which are drawn to magical energy...
As for the air pressure, Nasuverse protagonists have a habit of ignoring crucial things that will lead to their death in Dead Ends.
Shirou didn't realize his feet had been eaten in one ending.
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You fuckers are retarded
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>>4386275
>>You feed the crest worms with your own mana. By taking off your necklace and giving Sakura some of your magic infused blood, it should stop the crest worms from devouring her.
Also technically I did change my vote.
>>4386297
OK Mr. 1 post.
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>>4386275
>Pretend to go along with Zouken and try to signal Monica and Gray from the window
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>>4386303
Especially you
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>>4386275
>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
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>>4386297
Hurrr durrrr dirrr shut up retard
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>>4386275
>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
AAAAAAAAAAAARGH HELP ME TOUKO.
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>>4386275
Proceed to sleep with Sakura.
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>>4386275

>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
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>>4386275
>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
Buy time
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>fail once.
>do what Zouken wants.
Spineless worms.
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>>4386275
>>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
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>>4386355
Thats coomers for you. Perfect excuse!
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>>4386361
Coomers would have tried to do it instantly
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>>4386365
So you're just spineless faggot. Ok.
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>>4386369
Nope I’m just tryna survive. I’m the taiga fag
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>>4386374
>I’m just tryna survive.
>I’m the taiga fag
She doesn't like spineless cucks.
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>>4386355
You are confusing being a sore loser, who can't accept anything but the outcome they want, with being brave.
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>>4386381
>bravely raping your own sister
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>>4386384
So? She wants it and so do we
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>>4386384
First she probably wants it which wouldn't make this rape at all.

Second I didn't call people cowards. But if you think retrying shit until you get what you want with no possibility of failing needs courage then you really must be a very afraid person.
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>>4386386
Dunno how delusional cuck someone can be to think being grandpa worm's little bitch is somewhat "courageous". I guess hiding in a cuckshed would be brave too.
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>>4386389
And again you make this about courage.
Maybe I need to explain it slowly?
It's fictional. Risking or not risking fictional characters does have zero information if someone is or is not brave.

On the other hand not being able to accept others not voting the way you want and insulting them says quite a bit about someone's attitude.
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>>4386275
>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
>Signal Monica and Grey
I'm kinda pissed that my suggestion wasted a day worth of post.
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>>4386394
Yeah thanks for that
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>>4386392
>And again you make this about courage.
You started posting about being brave, you retarded faggot.
>On the other hand not being able to accept others not voting the way you want and insulting them says quite a bit about someone's attitude.
>little cuck is butthurt about being called out
You can vote however you want. I can't magically grow you a spine after all.
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>>4386275
>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
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>>4386396
>You started posting about being brave, you retarded faggot.
You called people cowards and spineless.
>You can vote however you want. I can't magically grow you a spine after all.
And again. Seriously you should learn to differentiate between reality/voters and fiction/characters.

But okay, I admit you are truly exceptionally brave for risking fictional characters with no risk to yourself and insulting other people for not voting the way you want.

I really wasted enough of my time with you.
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>>4386275
>>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.

Don't really even like it but one angryboi convinced me not to vote the same way as them
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>>4386275
>>4386304
>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
Changing vote.
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>>4386402
>being this butthurt because I'm not interested in playing out his bitchboy fantasies
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>>4386405
>voting for something you hate to own someone
wow, you surely shown me
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We’ve said a million times that because this is a fate quest it wouldn’t be surprising if sex happened under dubious circumstances. This is a fate quest. The sex option is probably the correct one here unless we can find a magic dolphin or something
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>>4386423
We can afford a few bad ends so we don't rape our sister
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>>4386447
what if its the only way forward though
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>>4386272
Look at that, it's my very first guess as to what would happen. I wonder if anons are ready to start thinking rationally and give up on taking on a 500-year-old monster with no servant help yet.
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I honestly don't think OP would railroad Anons into having sleeping with their adopted sister being the only way forward. Even if it's perfectly morally justifiable given circumstances. I'm confident it would not result in any routelocks either.

He even went out of his way to caution against usage of the original plan.
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In retrospect, though, the mammoth overestimation of our abilities is kind of perfect. Here we are playing as Shinji, who we all know got absolutely fucked up in canon due to his belief that he was a special person who could do anything he wanted if he just tried it, and even with that knowledge the players have ended up manifesting the exact same apocalyptic level of arrogance and overconfidence in our ability to change any aspect of the situation however we want to. Overconfidence is the one thing no player in a Shinji quest should be susceptible, yet most of the playerbase is completely in a Shinji state of mind. Well done QM, if this is what you were going for.
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>>4386275
changing my vote to rid her of the worms quickly
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>>4386457
We aren't being railroaded, our lack of foresight has to lead to us getting caught in a sticky situation.
It was silly to think that Sakura was gonna be fine with Byakuya sick, and I'm sure if we hadn't spent all that time with Illya we would have been able to plan ahead before the bastard was too forgone, or at the very least notice that Sakura was growing sickly and add a method of getting her mana without fucking her into our plans.
We have nobody to blame but ourselves and if we want to get out of this situation with Sakura unmolested, we're gonna have to think out of the box with write ins rather than expect the QM to just throw us a bone.
OR we can just bite the bullet, either is fine, but don't expect any of the options provided to lead to anything but a swift death.
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Is sex winning?
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>>4386475
>all that time with Illya
3 days. This has obviously been going on longer. The mistake was thinking we could kill Zouken before the war at all, not in any of the prep or execution. When we have the help of someone like Caster, or better yet Dark Sakura herself, then we can deal with the old worm. Until then, I'm just waiting for the choice where we get the chance to open our eyes and realize we need to give up on killing him now.
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>>4386463
This is why I love this quest. People arguing and being salty bitches like canon Shinji too.
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>>4386490
>or better yet Dark Sakura herself
You raise a very compelling point anon. I want more people to think of discussing this too. Is it possible to have both Sakura dewormed and able to fight normally using Absorption AND able to shift to Dark Sakura at will with full conscious control? All the while having good relations with Shinji, Shirou, Rin, etc.? Milking Shinji of all of his semen on a daily basis too?
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>>4386490
>3 days. This has obviously been going on longer.
Of course. Byakuya has been sick for a while, that was said already. But it's highly possible that he's only been dying, for 3 days. The health of a person can take rather drastic turns in a single afternoon, let alone 3 days and it could have been a pivotal time to better survey the field and come up with a plan before Byakuya was truly out for the count and Zouken would make his move on us.

Also if you really feel like this whole effort is doomed then you could just make a write-in to call it all off.
Be the Anti-Kerryfag you wanna see in the world.
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>>4386502
>Is it possible to have both Sakura dewormed and able to fight normally using Absorption AND able to shift to Dark Sakura at will with full conscious control? All the while having good relations with Shinji, Shirou, Rin, etc.?
Survey says?
No.
But hey, you can always hope.
>>4386505
Like I said earlier, if that happens we're just going to see the same whining we had when we gave up on Kerry. People will stay convinced that it would've worked if we just hadn't given up. I want anons to go all the way with their mistakes, see just how bad it gets, and learn something. Then maybe we can be more rational and less cocky in the future.
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>>4386508
All that wasted time on Kerry and Illya
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>>4386510
Hey, Kerry's one thing, but Illya is the main goal of the quest. No amount of time spent with her is wasted.
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>>4386275
>Impersonate canon Shinji mental hysteria about rightful Matou heir, "that useless trash" (Sakura) and that you have been thinking about it for a long time. Tell Zouken you are going to give her first time at the school on the table of son of Magus Killer whom she secretly loved all those years. After Zouken let you go with Sakura presumable towards school proceed with initial plan of deworming Sakura and letting Gray and Monica ambush Zouken.
With our Charisma and Zoukens fucked up worldview and plans this should have decent chance of working.
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>>4386508
I mean, saving Kerry would have worked. It was just hard and would have led to a bunch of dead ends, but that doesn't mean it was impossible.
You could be right, as we can see this path is full of dead ends. But unlike with saving Kerry which apparently wouldn't have had much of an effect on the plot, killing Zouken is not only one of the main goals of the quest, but will have untold effects on how things move forward beyond making some Anon's feel good.
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>>4386275
>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
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>>4386275
>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
I guess I'll go ahead and vote, while I'm at it. Maybe this will lead to the chance to see our powerlessness in the situation.
Man, I sure hope this project doesn't get Monica killed.
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>>4386275
>>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.
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Sex with the worm in the girls body seems like a bad end since it should be able to tell how much mana we have from our semen.
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>>4386275
>You feed the crest worms with your own mana. By taking off your necklace and giving Sakura some of your magic infused blood, it should stop the crest worms from devouring her.
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>>4386275
>>4386564
>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
switching to this
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>>4386275
>>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.

I fucking come back from sleeping and its a warzone here
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>>4386275
>You have no choice but to go along with what Zouken wants. You can't safely get Sakura out of the house while the crest worms are actively trying to devour her.

As an aside, what do yall think bout /ourguy/ trying to intervene in some way with Olgamarie? Nasu apparently dealt her an extremely shitty hand.
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>>4386735
hell yeah, lets fucking do it, sounds super terrifying
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>>4386735
>FGO
Nah, get that shit back to the phones.
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>>4386275
>>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.

Hey guys, since Taiga said that we can't keep Zouken out. Let's set up the room to burn/melt/kill any crest worms in it or that enter it. We will literally purge Sakura and Zouken at the same time.
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>>4386275
>>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
I'm gone for a day and you guys get us killed.
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>>4386735
I'm all for adopting Olga Marie. It's one of the main reasons I want to do Case Files.
We should go see if Kiara exists too, so we can adopt her and prevent her from becoming Heaven's Hole.
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>>4386891
Is that, like, a sex thing?
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>>4386906
technically
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>>4386906
It's an Extra thing, you don't wanna know.
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>>4386275
>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.

For the record I did not support the closed room autism.
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>>4386906
Kind of. If she's left unhealed and has a shit life, she pretty much becomes the Beast of Pleasure. If she's healed early and has a good life she avoids that unless directly possessed.
Since the other Beasts exist, it's worth cancelling out as many as we can, as early as we can.
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>>4386275
>You go ahead with trying to purge Sakura's body of the worms. While you're going to have to be exceptionally quick about things. It's the only way you have a chance now.
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>>4386921
Sucks about Primate Murder
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>>4386928
Now that you mention it, that's another horrifying encounter to look forward to.
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>>4386973
Can't wait. Didn't she say she'd see us in 2 years?
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>>4386991
once again, the boss rush presents itself
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>>4386991
Better stock up on garlic.
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>>4386991
Why don’t we use the holy grail to wish our problems away
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>>4387099
who is this? she looks vaguely familiar
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>>4387120
Primate Murder's master
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>>4387099
Can't wait to be her thrall
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWcASV2sey0 zouken boss music final phase
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Zouken might think he's got everything under control, and that he's going to break you just like he broke your father, but you've got a nasty surprise in store for him. While the situation is far from ideal, you can still see a path to victory open to you. Though it's going to be difficult, and your odds of survival are pretty grim no matter what. There's a part of you that realizes that it would be simpler to just go along with what Zouken wants and then orchestrate his death immediately after you've managed to eliminate the risk of the situation.

No. You've gotten so far now, that to do what Zouken wants would be to deny it all. If you can't even prevent something like this, what was all this effort in gaining strength for? "Alright, Grandfather. I'll do it. She'll be fine afterwards, right?" You know roughly how the process works, but seriously, what kind of a monster creates Crest Worms in the first place?

"Of course, Shinji." Zouken gives you an unnerving smile. He really thinks that you're going to go along with this sadistic plan of his. He really is a heartless monster. You suppose you'll see just how long that smile lasts when your own plan into action. "But you'd best hurry, you don't have long till the parasites start to consume her vital organs." You don't need any more encouraging as you hurry up the stairs. You're going to pay for this Zouken, and you're going to pay for it very soon.

You quickly enter Sakura's room, her eyes are closed and her expression is pained, she's wearing a white night dress as she takes pained breaths. Just how long has she been like this? How long has she suffered so greatly in your absence? How long has Zouken allowed this to happen? "Sakura." You call out to the girl, who opens her eyes to look up at you. "I'm here now. You don't have to worry anymore. I'm going to fix everything." Her confusion shows, even through her pain.

"Onii-chan? You... Are you...?" She sounds a little bit relieved at your arrival, even with the confusion she must be feeling at your words, and at the pain she must be feeling from the crest worms within her.

"Not at all, Sakura." You take hold of the fragment of the meteorite keeping your powers so thoroughly sealed and tear it off. "I'm finally going to make good on that promise of mine." You focus on your magecraft and begin to call forth a flame with the property that it will only purge 'familiars' A flame that will selectively burn the monstrous beings that call Sakura their host. "Forgive me if this stings, but I don't have much time." You raise the flame to her forehead, and her eyes go wide at the oddly cold fire. "I am truth given form." You utter the first line of the aria you are still in the process of finishing.
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The usage of the aria allows you to more easily manipulate the flame you have created, and you allow the small fireball to turn into a torrent of flame which coats your sister utterly. There's not a part of her body that goes untouched by the flame as it passes through her. There's screaming, but it's not Sakura doing the screaming. No, the screaming comes from two places at once. The louder scream emanates from within Sakura, an inhuman screech of death. Whilst the other scream comes from just outside the room, a more human sounding scream, and more one of pain and rage than of actual death. Sakura however has passed out. Unfortunate that you can't confirm her condition, but your glad that she's not in pain, at least. Despite the urgency, you place your hand on her chest to ensure her heart is still beating and your own heart calms a little when you find that it is.

You don't have long. While Sakura may or may not be free from the crest worms now, she's in no state to walk about. That hardly matters anyway, as you estimate you only have a few seconds before Zouken's now dying physical body comes to exact his vengeance.

That's when you notice though, that the crest worms have already made their way into the room. Dozens if not hundreds of them have already begun to burrow through the walls, all converging upon you and Sakura. As you begin to weigh your options, the door to the room finally opens, and there stands Zouken, his face twisted in an ungodly rage. "Shinji. What have you done?!" His voice is a gargling chorus of hatred. Seems like the destruction of his heart worm has really wrecked some havoc on the old man.

>"Something I've been planning for far too long, Grandfather. Now die." Turn the truth flame upon Zouken and the crest worms that make up his body.
>"Shut up. You're nothing but a side-villain." Reinforce your body, kick Zouken with enough force to disperse his body.
>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.
>"You sound mad, Grandfather. You know, getting this angry in your old age is just asking for health issues. Allow me to demonstrate!" Use your magecraft to create a space which dissolves familiars. Melt the old man.
>Write-in...
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>>4387439
>>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.
WOOPWOOPWOOP!
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>>4387439
>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.
Nice. Now let's get the fuck outta here!
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>>4387439
>>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.
I CAN FEEL HIS APPROACH LIKE A FIRE IN MY BLOOD
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>>4387439>
"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.
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...huh. So things really are just going to go that well for us, huh? Guess I'll stop calling for rational thinking or recognizing our limits.
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>>4387439
>>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.
Oh shit QM brought out the red.
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>>4387439
>>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.
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>>4387439
>>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.

Killing him is not our part of the plan here, and this is his arena. We are likely low on magic and should retreat from his domain.
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>>4387439
>>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO
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>>4387439
Something I've been planning for far too long
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>>4387456
Zouken was only a Pride in his prime. Shinji's been trained by the best Grand in the setting for almost a decade now.
Also, we did kill ourselves and get bonked by Taiga's Shinai.
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>>4387456
we got a Bad End
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Zouken is essentially dead at this point, the Crest Worm was what was holding him together, he's at death's door now, Monica and Grey just have to destroy whatever is left
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>>4387456
Zouken isnt that scary to a capable magus who knows his tricks.
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>>4387439
OH SHIT! WhatIs, I forgot to ask you the most important thing.
We got a Taiga Stamp right?
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>>4387439
>"Something I've been planning for far too long, Grandfather. Now die." Turn the truth flame upon Zouken and the crest worms that make up his body.
>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.
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>>4387484
Yes.
Collect 15 to redeem a free coffee at Ahnenerbe.

>>4387456
A lot of the danger of Zouken comes from his trickery and how difficult he is to kill. While in his prime he was very powerful and talented, he's not much when he's so degraded.
Age hasn't been kind to him.
You aren't out of the woods yet, either.
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>>4387496
Supporting, we should use the flame to cover our retreat.
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>>4387439
>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.
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>>4387439
>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.
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>>4387439
>>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.
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>>4387439
>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.
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The window is made of worms :) or Zouken might hive a UNoLeave bounded field
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>>4387672
What if the air is made of worms?
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>>4387672
Zouken actually cast an illusion and swapped places with sakura, we are actually princess carrying Zouken out a window and are locked into the Zouken yaoi route.
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its cool how we unanimously went for saving Sakura, idk if its because we know our pride at getting Zouken isn't worth it or because Sakura's life matter more to us, I hope its the latter
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>>4387700
Zouken used his worm to swap souls with Sakura. We just killed her while Zouken survived unharmed
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>>4387439
>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.
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>>4387777
Nice quads
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>>4387439
>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.
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>>4387439
>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.

>>4387777
IMPRESSIVE QUADS
VERY NICE
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>>4387439
>>"Saved Sakura." Grab hold of your unconscious sister, reinforce your body and leap through one of the windows.
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>>4387868
Quads prove this is the right choice
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"Saved Sakura." Your response is simple and deadpan. You don't have time to antagonize Zouken right now. While you think that you managed to destroy his heart worm, you actually don't know if that will be enough to kill him by itself, and it's not unlikely the old bastard might even have some method to survive even that. But still, if the heart worm within Sakura is just a container for his soul should his main body be destroyed, then really, all you've managed to do is thoroughly upset the old man. After all if you had truly succeeded in the destruction of his soul, then he shouldn't be capable of being a threat at all!

You pick Sakura up in a princess carry and use the remaining magical energy that you can spare without going over your limits to reinforce your body to your peak. Blue lines show up all over your body as you push your body to beyond it's limits with your magecraft. You only just manage to get out of the way of a wave of crest worms that launch themselves towards you. While you're confident in your ability to reinforce your body, such things mean very little when you're up against creatures like crest worms, which consume magical energy. Your reinforcement is likely to just make yourself more susceptible to the creatures if anything. You face Zouken once again, your back to the window as the crest worms converge on you. Zouken allows himself a smile, even through his rage. "So, you somehow developed magic circuits after all? Perhaps it was a mistake to feed your mother to the crest worms after all. You even went so far as to destroy my heart worm. I'm not sure who it was that helped you plan this... Was it the Einzbern? Or perhaps little Rin Tohsaka?" This is bad, while the crest worms have stopped moving towards you, Zouken seems to be regaining his calm. "You're probably wondering why I'm not falling apart, aren't you? While it's true that you destroyed the core that was kept within Sakura's body, so long as a suitable container for my soul remains, I will not perish. I can create another more suitable container for my soul later on after disposing of you." Zouken reveals his ability to survive what you had hoped would be a fatal wound. "Though I really should thank you. After I have my worms consume you, I will have something of a perfect lesser grail. Sakura's body isn't rejecting the fragments of the Holy Grail even though you destroyed the crest worms containing them!" Zouken begins to laugh. "Congratulations, Shinji! You have helped me to create my own perfect Lesser Grail! Superior even to the Einzbern! Now... Die knowing the extent of your failure!" The old worm points towards you, and the hundreds of Crest Worms writhing across the floor bolt towards you with incredible speed that their biology shouldn't allow!
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"I don't think so!" You push off backwards as hard as you can, propelling yourself and the unconscious girl in your arms out of the house, disregarding the height of the room and just doing all that you can to escape from the house. You soar through the air and smash straight through the window. Smiling like a mad man at Zouken as you exit the room through the window. You fall for only about a second before landing hard on your back on the grass below. If it weren't for the reinforcement you've suffused your entire body with, your back would've snapped like a twig from the impact. Sakura is thankfully alright as you took almost the entire force of the fall on your own body. You peer upwards at the room you just escaped from and quickly realize that you don't at all have time to rest, as already winged worms are flying from the room and towards you with incredible speed, worse still, there are crest worms emerging from the foliage too! Just how many of these damn things has Zouken got?!

You leap up to your feet and start running as fast as your enhanced body can manage, but the winged insects Zouken seems to be using to pursue you are still too fast for you to truly evade. You really hope that nobody sees this going on. There you are, running far faster than is humanly possible down the street while you run away from huge flying insects with daggers for claws. Maybe you can just say that you're running away from Hornets? You are soon snapped out of your thoughts of keeping magic secret as one of the sharp claws of the flying insects embeds itself into your shoulder. If you were any weaker than you were, you're pretty certain that it would've cleaved your arm straight off. As it is, you shift Sakura's position into one that only takes a single arm and you grab hold of the horrid insect with your newly freed hand, crushing it with your enhanced strength.

You should have known that things weren't going to be so simple! You need to find an escape route, but you can't keep running away from the horde of insects flying after you forever. Damn it! Where the hell are Monica and Gray?! Surely they've realized that this wasn't part of your plan?! You dodge out of the way of another one of the Blade Wing Worms and slap it to the side, your physical strength being more than enough to cause the horrible creature to explode into gore. That's two down, only about one hundred and fifty seven left to kill! You know that if you get caught in the main horde of terrible monstrous insects pursuing you, you'd get stripped down to the bone in seconds. But how are you going to evade such a horde of flying death?

>Try to hide inside a nearby building!
>Open up a sewer grate and hide inside the sewers!
>Try to make it to Gray and Monica!
>Try and make it all the way to Garan no Dou!
>Turn and fight the Blade Wing Worms with your own magecraft!
>Write-in...
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>>4388079
Try to make it to G and M. This is going to end up in another DE.
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>>4388079
>>Try to make it to Gray and Monica!
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>>4388079
>Try to make it to Gray and Monica!
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>>4388079
>>Try to make it to Gray and Monica!
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>>4388079
Looks like we lacked some preparations.
>Try to make it to Gray and Monica!
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>>4388109
Instead of whatever we did we should have used truth to do that.
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>>4388079
>Open up a sewer grate and hide inside the sewers!
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>>4388079
>Try to make it to Gray and Monica!
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>>4388079
>>Try to make it to Gray and Monica!
We don't have enough magical enegy to fight the blade wing worms. The way I see it, we're just going to have to run like hell.
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>>4388079

>Try to make it to Gray and Monica!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ
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>>4388079
>Try to make it to Gray and Monica!
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>>4388079
>Try to make it to Gray and Monica!
SORRY OLD MAN! NO GETTING WORMED.COM TONIGHT!
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I lowekey want to yell
"You're time is done, old man!"
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>>4388188
The future is now old man
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challenge him to a game of what do you meme and the winner gets sakura
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>>4388208
That's the fucking line!
I don't care how out of character that is, we need to yell at him as he gets his shit rocked.
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>Head to the former church. Try to prove it’s cursed by sending swarms of locusts at it :) see if you can get Kirei’s “help“ with Zouken.

This is probably a really bad idea.
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>>4388254
>I don't care how out of character that is
Didn't you read the quest? Isekai Shinji is still Shinji at heart, down to being overconfident, gloating, grinning and laughing like a madman.
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>>4388079
>>Try to make it to Gray and Monica!
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>>4388382
Hey we only gloat when we have the upper hand
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>>4388079
>Try to make it to Gray and Monica!
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>>4388396
Remind yourself on the real character of Shinji Matou with this handy video. Remember, this seaweed motherfucker is still our protag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s91hCOxDkUk
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>>4388396
Also this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4tOIOMZqXc
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>>4388408
>>4388416
We need more scenes from the POV of other characters. A chance to see what the protag is like when we aren't in direct control of him is always great.
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>>4388382
Yeah, the scene with Luvia really confirmed we're the same old asshole. We just need to dial up the laughing-out-loud quota to really nail it.
>>4388416
There it is, us at this very moment.
Remember there's two sides to every story, though. https://youtu.be/crgl0U0hA_M
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>>4388408
This motherfucker's laugh... He sounds like a rubber toy had sex with a pressure water, I should know. I work with both.
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There's no choice. Garan no Dou is much too far away from you right now, and while you don't doubt that Touko would assist you in dealing with the insect horde following after you, you simply can't reach the damn place. There's no choice, you're going to have to try to get to Monica and Gray. You have no idea if they've actually begun their own attack on Zouken yet.

You start to run towards the direction that you think Monica and Gray will be in, you really have no idea just how long you'll be able to keep outrunning the swarm of insects pursuing you. Not only are your reserves of magical energy fairly low as a result of conjuring that flame to purge Sakura's body, meaning it's not feasible for you to keep this up for too long, but you're also running through the streets with the speed of a car as a horde of huge flesh eating insect creatures with blades for arms pursue you. This is the sort of stuff that gets Enforcers and Executors sent after you for being way too clumsy when it comes to keeping magecraft a secret. Oh well, you've only got to last a few years before the grail war, and with any luck, you should be able to keep multiple servants manifested after the end of the war. Between Rin, Illya, Sakura, and you, there should be more than enough magical energy to keep as many servants as you want around, even if the grail itself isn't capable of incarnating them without corrupting them. With multiple servants, the Clocktower will have no choice but to recognize the futility in attempting an assault on you.

You keep running and dodging the occasional strikes the Blade Wing Worms attempt to land on you. While the first few attacks from the creatures managed to get past your guard thanks to having a method of attacking you aren't at all used to dealing with, you've managed to adjust to their attacks now. Thanks to your experience in fighting and training your body, you've managed to already figure out just how to dodge their attacks and step out of the way of their blades, even at high speed.

The chase feels a lot longer than it actually is, as a result of the constant dodging you are required to do as more and more of the insects catch up to you and you find it more and more difficult to kill them faster than they gain on you. For all your confidence in being able to dodge the strikes of a small number of the worms, it's a totally different story if you get surrounded, at that point you're doomed and so is Sakura.

"Shinji-kun! Duck!" A voice yells out from the window of a nearby building. It's thankfully the voice of an ally. Monica, to be precise. You happily oblige her instruction and dive to the ground, you have complete faith in the words of the woman. "Kettenblitz!" You hear her quickly cast as spell, and you actually feel the power of the spell even with your face staring at nothing but the floor. The electricity she brings forth is so hot that you can feel the warmth of the magic even from your prone position.
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Only a few moments after she's uttered the word, you can hear the satisfying sound of electricity frying living creatures, followed by those creatures dropping to the floor, one after the other the blade wing worms fall to the thankfully empty residential streets. You start getting up off the floor with Sakura still in your arms when you notice the approach of somebody from behind you. Though you calm yourself when you realize it's only Monica, having leapt from her vantage point with reckless abandon.

"Are you alright, Shinji-kun?" The woman questions you on your well-being, as well as the multiple cuts you managed to earn from Zouken's familiars.

"I've had worse." The cuts will fade very quickly thanks to your infantile reality marble, while you don't know what exactly it's true purpose is, you've found that one immensely useful feature is the healing it offers you. Cuts like this would usually take weeks to heal up properly, but instead they magically close up as if they were never there in the first place. "The mission... well, there's been something of a change of plans. I've destroyed Zouken's heart worm. All that remains is killing his current body and that's the last we'll ever be seeing of him."

"Right. Shall we get going?" Monica looks towards the Matou Mansion with determination in her gaze. She's pretty angry, you can tell just from the expression cast upon her face as she looks at your home.

"What about Gray? Where is she?" You were expecting the two of them to be together, after all.

"I had no choice but to send her to round up and hypnotize any witnesses to what just went down. She's got little actual magical skill, but she is capable of hypnotizing mundane people, so I sent her to make sure that word of a boy running as fast as a car drives away from a horde of deadly huge flying bugs doesn't spread out of control." Oh. That makes some sense, you suppose. You're thankful that Monica has more respect for the laws of magical secrecy than either you or Zouken do, at the very least.

"I see, but there's just one more problem." Monica raises an eyebrow and you gesture to the unconscious girl in your arms. You can't just go leaving Sakura in a place that isn't safe now of all times. Not when Zouken will stop at nothing to retrieve her from you.

>Leave the unconscious Sakura in the apartment you bought and then go after Zouken in the mansion.
>Take Sakura with you to the Matou Mansion. It can't be that dangerous with Monica there, right?
>Leave Sakura with Touko at Garan no Dou. It's a fair walk, but it's the absolute safest place there is.
>Leave Sakura at the Emiya Residence. It should be safe enough for her and Shirou isn't actually that weak anymore.
>Screw it. Just have Monica destroy the entire damn mansion.
>Write-in...
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>>4388702
>>Screw it. Just have Monica destroy the entire damn mansion.
His shit is in the walls, in the trees, in the ground. Honestly, it's time to just get out some sunglasses, pass them around and activate the Mansion Fucker 3000.
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Take Sakura with you to the Matou Mansion. It can't be that dangerous with Monica there, right?
This is the BEST idea!
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>>4388705
I will vote for anything but this.
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>>4388702
>>Leave Sakura at the Emiya Residence. It should be safe enough for her and Shirou isn't actually that weak anymore.
I'll also put a vote in for destroying the mansion if that gets a majority. Whatever knowledge is there isn't worth the hassle.
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>>4388702
>Leave Sakura with Touko at Garan no Dou. It's a fair walk, but it's the absolute safest place there is.
I can't imagine why we would do anything other than this. As long as we keep Monica with us we can stay protected while we travel, and Touko is the one person we know can protect Sakura without us or Monica there to help.
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>>4388702
>Leave Sakura with Touko at Garan no Dou. It's a fair walk, but it's the absolute safest place there is.
>Screw it. Just have Monica destroy the entire damn mansion.

Leave Sakura With Touko, then assist with Destroying the mansion.
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>>4388702
>Leave Sakura with Touko at Garan no Dou. It's a fair walk, but it's the absolute safest place there is.
She said she wouldn't help us with killing Zouken, but making sure nobody fucks with Sakura is the least she could do. And Monica is one of the few people that know we're training with Touko it should be fine to make a quick stop over there.
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I'm a little concerned that if we take too much time to drop Sakura off Gray is gonna get ambushed by Zouken or his worms.
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>>4388702
>>Write-in...
>Take Sakura to Rin's house
Touko will tell you to fuck off because she didn't care to get involved the first time you met her and Shirou, god bless his soul, is a defenseless maniac that will get himself killed trying to protect Sakura if Zouken finds that Sakura is at his house. Rin, however, is an extremely skilled Magus and will die for her sister, she hates us but she's not gonna tell us to fuck off when we're asking her to help her unconscious little sister
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>>4388795
Supporting
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>>4388702
Destory they while damn mansion
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>>4388705
voting for anything except this
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>>4388795
>>4388739
You know what, this is a good idea. Switching.
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>>4388795
Support!
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>>4388702
>Leave Sakura with Touko at Garan no Dou. It's a fair walk, but it's the absolute safest place there is.
Rin can't protect Sakura from Zouken, this is the safest place she can be right now.
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>>4388885
you're also assuming that Touko is going to help you, at best, she'll just let you leave Sakura there and not do anything when Zouken comes to pick her up, at worst, she'll tell you to piss off because killing Zouken is your problem and you should be able to deal with the fallout yourself. She's not gonna change her tone after nearly a decade of her student training specifically so he can stop his little sister from getting wormed. Also, you're underestimating how powerful and driven Rin is
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>>4388894
Shinji thinks it's the safest place for her to be, and he's the one who's been apprenticing under her.
If he thinks Touko would protect her, then I'm inclined to believe that's the case.
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>>4388702
>Leave Sakura with Touko at Garan no Dou. It's a fair walk, but it's the absolute safest place there is.
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>>4388896
I just think its not gonna work out, it would've been incredibly easy for Touko to just murder Zouken and to gain favor and help her student but she didn't, her just letting Sakura sleep at her place while the bullshit with Zouken just forces her to be involved in something she declined to be apart of in the first place
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>>4388702
>Leave Sakura with Touko at Garan no Dou. It's a fair walk, but it's the absolute safest place there is.
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>>4388702
>>Leave Sakura with Touko at Garan no Dou. It's a fair walk, but it's the absolute safest place there is.
came back and our plan worked out surprisingly well. Still, I am always in favor of caution
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>>4388702
>Screw it. Just have Monica destroy the entire damn mansion.
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>>4388702
>Screw it. Just have Monica destroy the entire damn mansion.
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What are the odds of Zouken having a spare vessel for his presence AND that spare being in the mansion somewhere?
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>>4388702
>Screw it. Just have Monica destroy the entire damn mansion.
Explosion!
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>>4389113
If his main body is destroyed he won't remember how to form it, and will end up dissapating.
We can truth fumigate the house once his main body is dead.
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Another question, the magic eating necklace remained in the mansion, right? We should recover it at some point, until then we’re walking around with our power level on our sleeve... I’m a bit leery separating from Sakura until the worm is removed, though moving her around town may also attract more unwanted attention...

I think I’ll go with
>Emiya residence
We may need Shirou’s help with healing her, too, no?
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>>4388795
>>4388702
Sure, I'll go with that.
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>>4388795
>>4388702
Support
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>>4389121
We should've put the meteor in our pocket after ripping it off.
I doubt Shinji would throw away something that integral to his blending in so easily.
I don't think walking around carrying your sister will garner too much negative attention either.
Gray is going to fight Zouken, so going to Shirou for assistance with healing may be too hasty, and he's even less equipped to deal with Zouken than Rin is.
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>>4388702
backing >>4388795
Remember bounded fields protecting the Tohsaka mansion better than Emiya residence, PLUS Zouken's target being Shinji and not Sakura. We stressed this before: Touko will not help us on our trial here. This is all up to Shinji. Doesn't going to Rin make it so all those times people voted "Find Rin", "Talk to Rin, get her to not hate you as much" results in a galaxy brain moment that wasn't there in hindsight.

Ultimately, Rin is best choice.
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>>4388702
>Screw it. Just have Monica destroy the entire damn mansion.
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>>4389148
She said she wouldn't save Sakura from Zouken, we've already accomplished that.
All that's left is getting rid of a 500 year old corpse, which we're also in the midst of doing.
Garan no Dou is also a great place to stabilize Sakura's condition, and Shinji thinks it's the safest place for her to be.
Rin's house didn't even show up on the list of options, so he obviously doesn't have a high opinion on her ability to assist with the situation, and frankly, with the way Zouken duped Caster into getting killed I'm not confident in Rin's ability to absolutely protect Sakura either.
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>>4389159
we're not out of the woods yet, Zouken is still alive and wants us dead and Sakura captured, we didn't accomplish anything yet, we're just in the middle of doing things and getting Sakura to Garan no Dou just drags Touko into a situation she doesn't wanna be apart of. Also we have no idea why QM didn't put Rin as an option
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>>4389163
We cleaned out Sakura, and got two people to blitz Zouken, and Shinji thinks it's the safest place for her to be.
Zouken could mess with Caster even in her workshop, I don't think the Tohsaka bounded fields will be able to stop Zouken from getting inside.
There's also the Tohsaka fault of always messing up right at the end to consider.
Touko didn't want to save Sakura to motivate us to become her apprentice, whether or not she helps us now, that specific motivation will die down after this incident, I don't think she has much reason to refuse our or Sakura's presence now.
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>>4389144
>>4389121
I didn't specifically mention it in the update but you didn't just toss the meteor on the floor after you were done with it.
You are still carrying it in a pocket.
You would make Shishou very upset if you just threw expensive Mystic Codes on the floor like that.
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>A Certain Magical Railgun
>>4388705
>>4388831
>>4388966
>>4389088
>>4389114
>>4389155

>What's the worst that could happen?
>>4388706

>Shishou help!
>>4388747
>>4388769
>>4388885
>>4388901
>>4388937
>>4388955

>Garan no Dou + Explosion
>>4388749

>Tohsaka help!
>>4388795
>>4388828
>>4388853
>>4388877
>>4389141
>>4389142
>>4389148

Looks like Rin has taken a single vote lead, while exploding the mansion has two negative votes detracting from it.
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>>4389186
wait we can do fucking negative votes?
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>>4389188
You can vote for everything but something you don't want to win.
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Have I ever made it clear how much I hate my ISP?
I should probably try setting up a static IP so that I don't get my OP formatting abilities purged whenever my ISP decides to suddenly give me a 10 minute long internet outage.
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>>4388795
Supporting
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Then a new idea comes to mind. Of course, while you could try heading to Emiya's house, it's a pretty long way from here. Same goes for Garan no Dou. Though your pretty certain that Touko would be able to properly protect Sakura. You've already rescued your sister, after all, and there's no way that Touko will just allow a hostile magus to get away with attacking her workshop. Though if she didn't accept you probably could've just offered to pay her money.

The thought of Touko as a destitute but talented magus gives you a flash of inspiration. Of course! Rin! Not only is she guaranteed to help you, but she's a far safer choice than Emiya! The bounded fields on the Tohsaka Residence should be more than enough to keep out some unwanted Crest Worms, after all.

"Come on, Monica. I've got an idea of where we can safely leave Sakura before we go and deal with Zouken once and for all." You tell your ally as you begin jogging towards Rin's house. You aren't reinforcing your body nearly as much now, instead only increasing your physical abilities a small amount thanks to having to allow Monica to keep up with you. You don't know just how much experience she has with reinforcing herself or generally enhancing her physical abilities, so you don't want to sprint off at the speed of a car. She does however manage to easily keep up with you even despite your minor enhancements and your already peak physique, seemingly without even needing to use magecraft at all. That's just unfair.
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[Tohsaka Residence]

Rin considered herself to be prepared for almost anything that could happen. Being a magus really does require you to keep an open mind about what may or may not be possible, but today...? Today just wasn't something she ever could've prepared for. Having opened up her front door to somebody knocking rather consistently, she had every intention of telling an over-eager door-to-door salesman just what he could do with whatever it was he was peddling, however, instead of a door-to-door salesman, it was somebody even worse! Sakura's 'brother' Shinji had decided to pay a visit, but what's more, he was carrying Sakura in some sort of princess carry as the door opened! Almost as if he was rubbing in the fact that he stole her sister from her!

It was all she could do not to just knock him unconscious with Gandr on the spot. It was only that it might have hurt Sakura that she refrained... and, well. The woman that Shinji has accompanying him looks kind of dangerous. He begins speaking with the unconscious Sakura still in his arms. "I saved your sister, Rin. Well, almost. I still need to kill Zouken, but so long as he doesn't get his disgusting hands on her again, she ought to be fine." He says something completely ridiculous. 'Saved' Sakura? What the hell is he talking about? Did Sakura need to be saved?

"W-what are you talking about, Matou-san?" Really, it's something of an accomplishment that she managed to keep her cool at all.

"It's a really complicated story, and I'd probably need over 800 thousand words to properly tell it to you." What is he talking about? This boy is completely infuriating! Not to mention that he was apparently a magus all along, Rin could tell that now she had gotten over her initial shock of seeing him with Sakura. Is he reinforcing his body? That's supposed to be incredibly dangerous, and he's just using it passively? "All I need you to do is to allow me to keep Sakura safe in the bounded fields of this Mansion."

"I'm going to need you to tell me what exactly you needed to save Sakura from before I agree to anything, Matou-san." She's not about to trust Shinji. While the boy has always shown himself to be a perfect student and he's affable to everyone around him most of the time, she really doesn't trust him. People who act like that usually only do so because their hiding some big secret about themselves. Especially now that he's revealed that he was able to use magecraft to this degree this entire time!

"Damn it Tohsaka! I just told you I don't have the time for this. But fine. It's because Zouken was turning your sister into a Lesser Grail for the purpose of taking control of her. He was going to use Sakura to become immortal through the Holy Grail!" Shinji gets angry at even being asked the question, and she is about to respond with her own anger until the words Shinji spoke sink in.
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"He... what?" The words make her freeze in place. No. That can't be right, can it? Could something like that really be happening to Sakura? It takes some effort for Rin not to dismiss Shinji's explanation outright. But eventually, she manages to accept it. After all, if what Shinji is saying is true, it means that she'll get her sister back.

"Now will you help me?" The boy pleads with her, and there's a tone in his voice that she just can't refuse. It's a strange thing, but it's almost as if despite how she might have felt about the idea of helping Shinji before, the presence of Sakura has really made it difficult for her to refuse him, not to mention that there's just something about how he asked her that makes her want to accept.

"Fine. But you're going to give me the full story after you've managed to kill Zouken. I take it this woman is..." Rin looks over at the woman accompanying Shinji. Rin can tell just by looking that the woman is dangerous, she's probably the most skilled killer that she's ever seen. Well, between her and that fake priest, at least.

"Monica Eisenmann." The older woman introduces herself coldly. "I'm a friend of Shinji-kun's, and I've agreed to help him kill his ancestor." What. Where did Shinji even find a woman like this? Actually no, how did he befriend a woman like this? This woman is the sort that won't open up to anyone, she can tell that just by the way that this woman is acting as cold as ice towards her for no discernible reason.

"Right. Well, come in and lay Sakura down on one of the couches. Then go and... kill Zouken. I'd offer to help, but I assume that you want me here protecting Sakura, right?" While she would like to help actually deal with the bastard who was trying to use Sakura like that, there's no point if Sakura would be in danger. She's definitely going to kick Shinji's ass for not telling her about all of what was happening with Sakura until today though.
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"Right." Shinji starts to leave. "I'll be back shortly, Tohsaka-san." The boy declares his intent to kill a magus with far, far more experience than him with utmost confidence. Just where does all that confidence come from, anyway?

"Try not to die. Matou-san." If worst comes to worst though and he does, she might have to get Kirei involved in killing Zouken. He's theoretically supposed to protect her from threats like Zouken attacking anyway. But then he might insist on actually staying at the Tohsaka mansion instead of the meager accommodations that the Church forced him into for allowing the entire Fuyuki Church to be demolished by an unknown enemy. They even went so far as to send in new agent of the Church to help oversee the process of rebuilding the Fuyuki Church, to make sure that things go as smoothly as possible. Though she hasn't seen this so called agent of the Church once in the years since the rebuild began. She turns to the sleeping girl on the sofa and runs a hand through her hair, whispering under her breath. "Welcome home, Sakura."

[Outside the Matou Residence]

You look over at the imposing building, knowing that Zouken is still somewhere within it. Now is the time. Now is the moment when you finalize everything you've worked towards. You're going to put an end to Zouken's life, and you're not going to let anything get in your way! But really though, you're going to need a plan of attack.

>Just charge through the front doors with Monica, kill everything that gets in your way.
>Set fire to the mansion. Smoke Zouken out.
>Wait for Zouken to attack the two of you. Make yourself targets and then kill him when he shows up.
>Have Monica blow a hole in the mansion and enter through that.
>Ask Monica if it would be possible for her to snipe Zouken somehow.
>Write-in...
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>>4389227
>Have Monica blow a hole in the mansion and enter through that.
A giant hole in the mansion gives us an escape route if things get REALLY bad and doesn't totally destroy the mansion
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>>4389227
Snipe him. We don't know how much magical power will be needed to kill him and we need those tomes and grimoires. Also we have no clue if grey will be back in time to help.
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>>4389227
>Set fire to the mansion. Smoke Zouken out.
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>>4389227
>"Welcome home, Sakura."
You know we're basically in this for the long haul with Rin now right? Like, there's no goddamn way Rin is letting you take Sakura away again and it'd just be incredibly cruel to take away her only family member. Honestly really excited about the conversation thats gonna happen after Zouken is dead, I genuinely don't know what's going to happen, there's just way too many variables now
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>>4389227
How good is zouken’s situational awareness through the drones? If he did not get a good look at Monica when she zapped them we could bait him out by smugness and have Monica fry him when he comes out. Although he will absolutely expect something given how his drones died.

Let’s hope he doesn’t have faraday suit or something on hand. Might have to squeeze more truthflame then.
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>>4389235
We don't own Sakura anymore than Rin. She has her own opinions and somehow I don't think Sakura will just decide to suddenly like Rin and want to stay with her.
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>>4389227
>Write in
>Kick down doors and clear rooms with Monica, SWAT tactics
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>>4389227
Wait where's Gray?
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>>4389240
no shit but its not like Sakura isn't just gonna go along with wherever we wanna go or do now that there's no restrictions for either of us. We basically hold all the cards with Rin. Plus, it wouldn't be very Lawful Good to just snatch Sakura away after we literally carried her right to Rin

>>4389246
Hypnotizing people
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>>4389247
So you want us to move in with Rin?
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>>4389252
I just want Rin on our side so the HGW is slanted in our favor
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>>4389247
Can Monica kill Zouken by herself?
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>>4389247
Sakura is her own person and we have no reason to even attempt to keep her away from Rin, it would probably help her recover too.

also
>Lawful Good
Our very existence is chaotic, we are chaotic good or chaotic neutral.
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>>4389253
And I would like to know how you plan to do that.
Because the only way I can see Sakura willingly staying with Rin would be if Shinji was staying there too. Otherwise this will look like we are trying to get rid of Sakura or exchange her to Rin for favors.
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>>4389256
Well, let's cross that bridge when we get there.
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>>4389255
Fuck, you're right anon, we're definitely Chaotic Good. Also I'm not trying to keep Sakura away from Rin, they both need to be together for their own recovery, especially Sakura.

>>4389254
Probably..? Her powers seem to be a good counter to Zouken, plus we're there to help and don't need to hold back anymore.

>>4389256
I have no idea, I don't wanna leave Sakura at all, it wouldn't be healthy, especially after we killed Zouken. Cross that bridge when we come to it.
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>>4389258
Well, just the whole point of bringing Gray along was for her to slice up grandpa while we brought Monica for worm frying. And as described multiple times, we're a bit drained from purging Sakura from worms and running around at the speed of car so not sure how much we can shit we can do in our current state.
>>4389227
>Have Monica blow a hole in the mansion and enter through that.
Guess I'll vote.
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>>4389260
We have fuck off levels of magic reserves, I assume as long as we don't try to create some truth bullshit weapon to decapitate Zouken we have enough to do pretty much anything.
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>>4389227
>>4389233
>Have Monica blow a hole in the mansion and enter through that.
If we burn down the mansion we might lose Sakura's cat plush, so I'm changing my vote.
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Maybe we should ask Monica herself? She’s the professional and aware of her capacities. Wouldn’t want to leave her to run too dry just on entering.
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>>4389269
>>4389227
>>4389229
Good point, switching to ask Monica what we should do, she knows Zouken's abilities and she's killed before
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>>4389269
>>4389227
Sounds good to me, support.
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>>4389227
>>Set fire to the mansion. Smoke Zouken out.
Smoke is good for bug control
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>>4389227
>Have Monica blow a hole in the mansion and enter through that.
Time to meet your maker you bug fuck.
Enjoy becoming a Saberface...
In hell!
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>>4389269
supporting
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>>4389227
>>4389269
Good idea here.
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>>4389269
>>4389260
Switching.
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Oh no.
Guys?
What if Zouken escapes?
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>>4389278
>>4389269
Switching
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>>4389295
A completely natural consequence of refusing to stick as close to our original plan as possible.
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>>4389295
He would only delay the inevitable. Kind of in character don't you think?
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>>4389269
Support
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>>4389227
Backing >>4389269
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>>4389227
Supporting >>4389269
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>>4389269
I change to this
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>>4389235
Yeah, it's an all around shitty situation. Shoulda gone to Touko.
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>>4389269
+1
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>>4389367
nah I think this is good in the long term, Sakura having a support system beyond us is great for her plus being around Rin will solve some unresolved issues. Also this clears a path to get Rin on our side, Shirou is our bro and Illya is warming up to us, playing our cards right and we get 4 allies
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>>4389373
Maybe I'm an outlier here, but too many people on our side is something I really hate; makes us feel like a mary sue. The fact that Rin just wouldn't warm up to us no matter what was one of the things I really liked and was looking forward to the consequences of that in the war. If we make her into an ally I'll be super disappointed.
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>>4389381
We're already pretty overpowered as is, plus even if we have so many people on our side, we still have to deal with Kirei and Gilgamesh and that's not even counting the vampires we're gonna face off within a month of the HGW
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>>4389381
If you have to work for it you arent a mary sue. She already doesnt like us.
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Oh I really can't wait for the grail war.
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>>4389383
>We're already pretty overpowered as is
That's why I don't want us to have even more people on our side. Getting a bunch of allies would be great if we only had a few magic circuits or none, but with the ridiculous abilities we have I'd honestly be happiest if our only ally was Illya. Even going it alone would be alright. Having ridiculous broken powers and making every somewhat sympathetic character from the source material into our friend just puts us totally over the line in my view. Rin was kind of my last hope.
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>>4389385
>Oh I really can't wait for the grail war.
Same.
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>>4389391
Luvia kind of hates you, if it's any... consolation?
As for how things are going to develop with Rin? Well we'll reach that hurdle when we reach it.
Things may yet end up going south with Rin.
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>>4389391
I mean, I always wanted to team up with Rin, I didn't want to purposely antagonize someone just to make things harder, especially someone important to Sakura, the person we spent 8 years training for. I'm in this quest to give everyone that deserves it a good ending and Rin is a good person that deserves better

>>4389385
Dark Days Ahead
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>>4389397
>Rin is a good person that deserves better
False. Rin is worst girl and everyone knows it.
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>>4389398
Even worst girl deserves a good ending.
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>>4389391
If our goal is to give happy endings to as many characters we like then getting as many people on board with that is a naturally emerging synergy for us to pursue. And opportunity for OP to come up with drama to resolve within our FeelGood Federation.

I’m not afraid that we’d run out of antagonists regardless.
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>>4389405
Yeah, I've never really agreed with that goal, I just didn't want to make a big thing about that since everyone seems onboard with it. It just doesn't feel Shinji.
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>>4389391
we have primate murder to deal with I really wouldn't worry about making too many friends. don't be a downer.
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>>4389413
There's something to be said for sympathetic antagonists, anon. If everyone with a shred of good in them is on your side and your only enemies are vampires and monsters, it's kind of a boring dynamic.
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>>4389412
We're only half Shinji.
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>>4389412
no shit it doesn't feel like Shinji, we just declined to have sex with Sakura in favor of antagonizing the worm zombie
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>>4389417
And we feel like we're about 1/5 Shinji.
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I said it before and I'll say it again.
The past couple of threads have been the backstory of our route of Fate/Stay Night, prolonged character generation. As long as the "challenge" of the upcoming war, once we take the training wheels of foresight off, meets the level of power we've come to cultivate, I'll be happy.
Battleground > Playground.
I have no doubt in my mind that shit is bout to be turnt and we'll need every advantage we can get to get through it.
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>>4389420
Look, your route of just teaming up with Illya is pretty lame, having a waifu is cool and all but not to the detriment of other characters, having a group of friends to rely on and make into better people is where its at though
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>>4389415
Bruh, there are more then enough people to hate in Nasuverse.
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>>4389423
I'm waiting for us to actually get with somebody already. Rin is intrigued now especially after seeing Monica. We have lots of options.
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>>4389424
This is exactly the problem, a lack of sympathetic antagonists. If everyone we don't hate is on our side, it just makes things very boring. I was excited for Rin to be at odds with us in the war because she's one of the original heroines and people know she's a decent person deep down, despite her massive flaws. We shouldn't only be struggling against "people to hate".
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>>4389427
I mean, Sakura would absolutely do it with us if we asked, especially after we kill Zouken. She was already lowkey obsessed with us before, afterwards, it wouldn't be surprising if she goes straight to hero worship. Wouldn't mind Rin though, especially since she doesn't actually like us as of now but that might change
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>>4389423
>a group of friends to make into better people
Well, you've got the arrogance down pat at least. Maybe we're more like a quarter or a third Shinji.
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>>4389427
Sadly we’re getting too old for the best girl... Monica

Regardless, friends, please keep in mind that happy ending does not necessarily mean “ends up with MC”. I’m sure most are aware of that. Wishing well for a name does not need to interfere with waifu wars at all.
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>>4389431
Seems pretty retarded to be antagonistic towards decent people that Sakura cares about just to make the story harder
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>>4389435
Maybe we could truth ourselves back into being a shota somehow.
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>>4389437
I'm not arguing for trying to force Rin to hate us. Like I said, the situation before where we tried to reach out to her and she wasn't interested, was pretty good. We probably only have one time skip left now so I don't think we have much of a chance to make things worse than they already are, but if I could change what we'd already done it wouldn't be to actively alienate people; just to reach out to less.
>>4389435
Thank god for that. Hopefully we can foist Sakura, Rin, and Saber all off on Shirou.
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>>4389431
That’s a justification to give a story a bad review on vndb or something to stroke own ego but as basis for in character decision making it’s worthless drivel.
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I don't really have a problem with what players have tried to do so much. The "make everybody happy" goal seems misguided since the main point of F/SN was that everyone who tries that gets destroyed, but if you want to shoot for the stars that's noble enough. I just think WhatIs has let us get away with way too much, to be honest.
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>>4389442
nah Sakura and maybe Rin is for us, Shirou can have Illya and Saber though
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>>4389446
That's cool man, this isn't FSN, this is Fate/Paradox Reincarnator, where the whole goal since the start is to save everyone and give them a good ending, we even went out of our way to meet Illya, the girl who squashes Shinji in one of the two meetings they have
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>>4389447
I'll quote an active anon from the earlier threads here. No old pussy. The original three heroines are off limits.
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>>4389446
>I just think WhatIs has let us get away with way too much, to be honest.
You're still basically in the story's prologue.
You may find that things are not so easy in the actual grail war.
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I also want us to get more info on that dream we had.
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>>4389455
HGW probably
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>>4389442
I suppose we could encourage Sakura to hang around with Shirou? Rin doesn't really like us enough to matter, and saber might not even be in the quest. I do agree that being friends with everyone cheapens the relationships somewhat atleast.
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>>4389452
Especially Saber, Saber is only for Shirou
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>>4389457
Rin will likely get to know us a lot better by our last exchange and her inner monologue.
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>>4389442
>Hopefully we can foist Sakura, Rin, and Saber all off on Shirou.
Saber and Rin are for Shirou.
Sakura is for making emotionally independent, so she doesn't need to be foisted onto anyone.

>>4389454
Exactly what i've been saying.
Utterly Based.
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>>4389452
sounds fucking stupid except for Saber, Saber is for Shirou
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>>4389462
Why the fuck would you want to romance a girl you've already romanced before?
Out with the old shit, in with the new possiblities that are only possible with the advent of this quest.
FUCK OLD HOES.
NEW PUSSY ONLY!
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>>4389463
>FUCK OLD HOES.
That's exactly what he wants to do, because he's a Tohsakafag.
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>>4389462
You are fighting against the entire thread, most of us are chasing the loli route that nasu did not give us. If you want to fuck Sakura or Rin then just reread UBW or HF
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>>4389463
This is a completely different story though.
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>>4389454
Also we still managed to kill ourselves with our powers. That should hopefully remind us that even bullshit powers don’t make anyone infallible, much less invincible.
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>>4389467
2 people isn't the entire thread
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>>4389463
Wich is why I want Sacchin or Altrouge
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>>4389466
>Tohsaka
>Old hoes
I think you meant to say old men.
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>>4389473
Yeah if you guys want someone knew lets go with the Vampire Princess, I'm game
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>>4389473
If I had to chose between the two I would pick Sacchin, Altrouge isn't right in the head
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>>4389468
So instead of testing the limits and giving girls that never got a chance at love and life a shot, you want to go crawling back to the same old shit you've known for 14 plus years?

>>4389473
>Sacchin
Based
>Altrouge
Cringe, but not as cringe as going for one of the Main Three.
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>>4389473
Hard pass, only Illya or Manaka is worth our time and the latter hasn't shown up outside a dream yet.
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>>4389473
I think alt and manaka will be ours whether we want it or not
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>>4389482
More like we will be theirs
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every argument devolves into waifu wars
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>>4389488
So?
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>>4389477
Isn't that half of the fun?

>>4389481
>only Illya or Manaka is worth our time
You've yet to meet all the characters yet.
How can you be so sure of this?
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>>4389495
Naturally I was referring only to the characters we know so far. If you can write a loli to top Illya though, I'll be pretty shocked.
I'd probably put Sacchin 3rd ranked after Illya and Manaka, though. I do feel for her, and we've set up a good bond with the birthday visits.
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The idea of an Alt romance being anything but a prolonged bad end is a total meme, but we'll see what happens.
I have faith in WhatIsAQ to make the process of winning her genuine affections a fun, if not incredibly tense and uphill experience.
That is, if we aren't already tied down by then and have to spend out time with her defending our then waifu from Monkey Slaughter.

>>4389495
I find it hilarious that Shinji has been low key dating Sacchin for the past few years, and we haven't really gotten a real scene with her since her introduction.
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>>4389497
What if we summon a murder loli servant
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>>4389503
I mean, Jack the Ripper exists?
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>>4389503
Would be hot
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>>4389507
One can only hope.
I'd honestly prefer a bro servant though, not gonna lie.
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>>4389503
It could happen, but like I said I'll be surprised as hell if she can top Illya in the cuteness department.
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>>4389514
Personally I hope we summon a Servant who actively hates us. That's always a fun dynamic.
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>>4389514
We need a bro servant to rival Iskandar himself!
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>>4389517
So Medusa?
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>>4389520
Nah, Medusa will probably like us considering we saved Sakura
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>>4389519
THEODORE
ROOSEVELT
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>>4389503
Ngl, i like Berserker Jack so much more. LoliJack was the worst part of Apocrypha for me.
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>>4389519
Achilles, perhaps?
Also, Rider Genghis Khan when?
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>>4389524
Berserker Jack is based
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>>4389507
Assassins are shit
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>>4389519
We have enough waifu options.
We need more bros to temper everyone's obsession with Shirou and round out the cast.

>>4389522
I get the feeling that Medusa will always dislike us to some extent. We're basically the definition of the type of guy she hates. We are a "successful Shinji", even if we're tempered by a genuinely kind heart.

>>4389524
Worry not friend, there's more loli servants where she came from.
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>>4389537
then again, she sees a lot of herself in Sakura and we're the guy that came and rescued her before she went nuclear, we're less like Perseus and more like the hero that never came to save Medusa from being Gorgon
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>>4389538
I don't know who would I want as our bro. Teddy Roosevelt would be based af, but on the other hand we could see Perseus getting bullied by Medusa.
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>>4389538
That's why I said, "to some extent".
On the one hand, we'd probably always remind her a ton of the shitty guy from her past and there might always be that inherent bias against us.
On the other hand, we aren't Perseus and with Sakura here actively vouching for Shinji, Medusa will probably come to open up to us.
I'd say she never be as comfy with us as she becomes with Shirou, but she'll learn to be less hostile if we don't give her a reason to be beyond existing. It might take a while though and getting to that point should be a fun time.
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>>4389542
I think its an interesting relationship to explore because there is a contradiction of what we remind Medusa of and what we actually are but there's a good chance she won't be summoned and we won't see that relationship flourish

>>4389540
Perseus would be based
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>>4389544
A reminder that there's always the possibility we aren't chosen by the grail and Sakura will need to summon the servant.
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>>4389548
I mean, I want Sakura, Rin and Shirou to summon their respective servants
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>>4389550
Same and it's kinda what I'm expecting, but with how fucking turnt shit has gotten I'm not willing to count any of these damn chickens before they finally hatch.
We can speculate all we want, but we won't know until it happens.
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>>4389550
How would the Einzbern alliance work out, then?
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>>4389571
wdym? I'm not letting Illya kill Shirou
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>>4389571
As Illya said, if we aren't chosen by the grail then we are to "take care" of the current master from our house and take their servant. If we are chosen, we will meet Illya at the Einzbern castle and summon a servant using our own catalist or one provided to us.
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>>4389571
>>4389578
yeah uh, idk about you guys but I'm not gonna kill Sakura just to look good in front of Illya
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>>4382803
I've come here on a whim, did you really bullshit your way into getting a ton of magical circuits?
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>>4389583
honestly, its a good call, with magical circuits, this whole quest literally would've just been "tell Shirou and Rin to do this for 10 years"
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>>4389580
>yeah uh, idk about you guys but I'm not gonna kill Sakura just to look good in front of Illya
Yeah and since after this we will be the head of the Matou house we don't really need to.
Hell, killing Zouken will probably lead to a...reexamining of our current dealing with the Einzberns.

>>4389583
Yes.
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>>4389583
Shinji is just sock puppet of Outer God.
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>>4389583
RNJesus gave us the circuits
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>>4389578
Honestly if Sakura is chosen, that servant is ours anyway, no killing necessary. Canon Shinji could take control of Medusa from her without killing her, there's no way we can't work the same thing out. You know Sakura won't have a problem handing control of her servant to her savior brother. "Take care of" in this case just means "ask her for the servant."
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>>4389595
>Honestly if Sakura is chosen, that servant is ours anyway, no killing necessary.
Yeah, that's what I've been saying.
The only real problem is the potential of an Einzbern freak out at our capacity to take out Zouken. Before Acht saw us as a useful tool, a young failed magus betraying his family to get back at his grandfather. But now that young failed magus has achieved the stated goal that he claimed he was working with you to obtain.
So why the fuck is he here? How the fuck did he do what he did? What isn't he telling us?
Suffice to say, we have some explaining to do, and as I'm sure you remember, the Einzbern aren't very fond of liars.
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>>4389605
Another reason why I voted against trying to kill Zouken early. Oh, well. I just hope we can salvage our budding relationship with Illya.
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>>4389605
how hard do you think it would be to kill Acht? Just thinking out loud haha
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>>4389605
>"he forced my hand and I had to take more risks than I would have liked. Fortunately the outcome turned in my favour."
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>>4389614
that wouldn't even be lying, he straight up tried making you rape Sakura
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>>4389537
>Worry not friend, there's more loli servants where she came from.
I think it might've been brought up before, but if everyone's on the table Abigail would be pretty ideal.
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>>4389611
You shouldn't ask how hard would it would to kill Acht, you should ask how we will kill Acht.
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>>4389625
It probably won't be any harder than Zouken, the problem is getting Illya on our side, which is gonna be tough considering that we just murdered her only family member
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>>4389630
Guess we will have to put our god level charisma to some use if we want to acquire Illya and all of Acht's maids.
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>>4389625
We really don't have a reason to till after the war, and by that time circumstances will be so different that making a plan this far in advance is kind of pointless.
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>>4389651
he destroyed Illya's lifespan and kept Kerry away from her, good enough reason for him to die
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>>4389607
>Another reason why I voted against trying to kill Zouken early.
I'm not gonna lie to you bud, I like Illya as much as the next guy but I think it's more than a worthwhile trade.
If being forced to rape our sister for two years is what it takes to get Illya route, then it's not worth it.
Luckily I don't think that's the case and we should be able to at the very least win Illya's trust even if we need to look behind our shoulder for Acht more than we would have. Dealing with the Einzberns might be a bit of an uphill battle from here on out, but if you ask me that makes things more fun.

>>4389614
A reasonable explanation for the why, and one we hinted at before.
Doesn't explain the how though, but I'm sure we could bring Monica with us to show off how beast mode she is.

>>4389622
Bruh, Abigail is cute as hell, but I REALLY don't want to deal with Foreigner bullshit until at least after the war.
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>>4389654
That has nothing to do with timing, which is what I posted about.
>>4389658
Abigail is cute as hell and all, but the big reason is that I REALLY want to deal with Foreigner bullshit ASAP
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>>4389658
>If being forced to rape our sister for two years is what it takes to get Illya route, then it's not worth it.
Absolutely based, now I wanna help you with Illya route for sacrificing your waifu's love for a greater cause
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>>4389658
>If being forced to rape our sister for two years is what it takes to get Illya route, then it's not worth it.
I don't really see it as that kind of tradeoff. The Illya thing is just one more reason I voted against it, not the whole reason. Killing Zouken before the war just doesn't sit right with me, and I'd be against it regardless of Illya's situation. That we tried is fine I guess, we had good reasons and I do think our Shinji should be very motivated to save Sakura, but I hope Zouken survives this. It feels like taking one of the founders out of the war just isn't something that should happen; he's too big of a figure in the events to just get wiped out in advance. It's as bad as if we'd gotten Marysbury involved or something.
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>>4389662
I suppose we're at an impasse in this regard my friend. I do think the Foreigner bullshit will come eventually, but adding them in now would just fuck with the power scaling. It's the same reason why Tsukihime shit is happening after the war because if it happened before and we made it out, we'd potentially turn everything that came after into a huge joke.

>>4389663
> I wanna help you with Illya route for sacrificing your waifu's love for a greater cause
You paint me as nobler than I am.
I really don't think we've sacrificed it completely, not gonna lie. It's gonna be harder sure, but the hope isn't completely lost.

>>4389677
I can understand where you're coming from, but it's not like this is coming out of nowhere. We spent years trying to do exactly this. We collected the resources, made and executed our plan, and now we reap what we've sown. There's also the idea that as much emphasis we've put on Zouken, he's not even that much of a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Zouken is a hard to kill bastard, but hard to kill bastards are a dime a dozen in the greater Nasuverse.
Fuck man, we've met Ape Terminator and his handler!
And I've explained, while there are some major benefits to killing Zouken early, I'm sure there will be something new to fill the void in the story he left. WhatIsAQM isn't a dummy, and I trust him to provide us with an interesting story with challenges and struggle to counter how powerful we seem to be currently and how well things seem to be going for us.
Just you wait.
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>>4389689
honestly, I was just against Illya route out of spite because one too many anons wanted to fuck over others or keep Illya as a psychopath so they can get with this one specific version of Illya and I didn't like that at all honestly
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>>4389227
>>Set fire to the mansion. Smoke Zouken out.
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>>4389740
That was one autistic shot poster who used samefagging to get his way. Real Illya chads rise up
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>>4389776
Rising.
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>>4389776
Cock rising, boss!
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>>4389740
>>4389776
If we find a way to do it, what do you think about letting Illya grow up? It'd probably make her the happiest.
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>>4389849
Yeah uh, I don't think most anons would be into that
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>>4389849
I kind of want that to happen just to make the lolifags seethe.
>>4389605
We simply point out that Zouken was way weaker than expected and that we had strong hired help. You know, assuming Zouken doesn't just fuck off for a few years to "regain power" or something before trying to get revenge like some Saturday morning villain.
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>>4389849
Hard to come up with a worse idea.
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Are the Caren and/or Reines routes possible, WhatIs?
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>>4389849
Whatever is best for Illya
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>>4389849
If that's what would make her happy, then it's what I'll vote to do.
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>>4389869
Entirely dependant on your choices.
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>>4389865
I'm absolutely on board with this plan, also Illya doesn't look half bad with an adult body, very uh, shapely
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>>4389874
>>4389870
wait you guys aren't lolifags? whats the appeal with Illya then?
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>>4389885
My guess is people just like their waifu and want to make her happy no matter what.
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>>4389885
T. Coomer who can’t appreciate people outside of their physical traits
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>>4389849
I would like that.
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>>4389885
Do I need more reason than liking her to want her to be happy?
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>>4389914
>>4389893
yk what? Good point, my bad
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>>4389920
It’s ok we’re all just trying to have a good time here
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This is was the ideal servant body. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
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>>4389956
oh sorry im in this quest because i want to be upset or bored is that correct
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>>4389885
It's loli or nothing
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>>4390046
Eat a bag of dicks you fucking mong.
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>>4390046
That's the spirit!
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Mother fucker we are going to marry our (adopted) sister and you will like it.
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>>4390053
we're gonna fuck Sakura after we kill Zouken though right?
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>>4390053
Not happening.
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>>4390055
I just want to spoil her like we did in the first thread.
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>>4390069
yeah that was wholesome, I wanna do that again, I mean, we can do that actually, we can ask her on a date or some shit or go out to celebrate after Zouken is dead and talk over about what happens next
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>>4390071
Well, I mean. If this succeeds, we can take Monica, Gray and Sakura out for a victory meal at Ahnenerbe.
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>>4390053
WhatIs better have Sakurafish happen in-quest or I will be furious
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>>4390050
Don't be mean or you may get over voted.
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>>4390087
we go back to the arcade and get her a fish plush and she bites into it for some reason
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>>4390089
the anti illya fags are wild
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>>4390053
>>4390094
Fish is delicious!
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>>4390053
But I thought you said you wanted a milf?
Sakura is not the Venus body perfection you seek my guy. Don't settle for less!
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>>4390055
No
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>>4390111
>trips
checked, nicely done
I suppose that leaves Touko, Taiga, and... who else? Rider? Caster?
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>>4390158
Monica.
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>>4390158
I wouldn't mind Caster at all
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You're pretty lost as to how you should go about the next stage of the attack, but that's alright. That's one of the reason your brought along an ally as experienced as Monica, anyway. Not only is she tremendously powerful with her magecraft, but she's also got a lot more expertise in tactical decisions like this. Especially against enemy magi. "Monica-san. You're the expert here, what do you suggest we do next?"

"Hmm... Well, usually, the last thing that a magus is expecting when they've set up loads of intricate bounded fields for the purpose of defending themselves is for the attacker to to completely disregard their efforts and work around them. Magi generally tend to be narrow minded like that. They convince themselves into thinking that things will always work out in the way they envision, even when the evidence is... piled up against them." Monica seems to recall a painful memory as she finishes that sentence. "But it's good for me. It means that they never expect it when I just do this!"

Electricity begins to crackle around Monica as she fetches a small sphere of iron from one of her pockets before tossing it up in the air and pointing towards it. "Magnetschienenkanone!" She points up at the iron sphere in the sky. "Bereit zu schießen!" bolts of electricity slam into it over and over again until it glows with power. "Schießen!" She points a finger towards the Matou Residence and the glowing ball of iron that was floating in the sky disappears. A few moments after it vanishes before your very eyes, you can see the effects of it smashing downwards into the Matou Residence, completely obliterating some of the rooms of the house and causing some pretty tremendous damage to a few other rooms too. Well, Zouken probably wasn't expecting that, you've got to say. You hope that nothing too important got damaged, but thankfully, it seems to have only really damaged a few lesser used rooms, like the kitchen and the dining room, as well as a few guest bedrooms upstairs. The damage isn't too catastrophic that you won't be able to have it repaired, at least.

"Incredible..." Still, you can't help but be awed by Monica's display of her strength once again. Just how is this woman so strong? You've been meaning to ask her for the secret to her strength for a while now, but you're pretty certain that not many modern magi should be able to compete with the likes of Aoko without some incredible trick up their sleeve or unique circumstances, so what makes her electricity based magecraft so special?
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"Now isn't the time for dawdling, Shinji-kun! Let's go!" Monica rushes into the building and you follow her, you're pretty certain that the force of the impact would've completely pulped any crest worms that were even near the attack when it struck, and the splattered stains of red painting the walls, floor and ceiling of the destroyed room confirm that suspicion of yours. "Well, it looks like either I got a lucky shot and splattered the target... or he's waiting somewhere else for us and intends to lead us into a trap..." She looks about the house and of the damage already done. "You... You're not going to take this out of my pay, right? I might've been a little hasty about... uhm... Destroying your house." She gets a little flustered upon realizing that she just put a huge hole through your house without even confirming if it was OK or not. While you could've done without the place being destroyed, it's not like the building holds any real sentimental value to you, and you're pretty certain most of Zouken's more expensive and rare artifacts are hidden down below the house anyway. The only room you don't really want getting destroyed is Sakura's room, it's where she keeps all the things you got her over the years, after all. So not only would destroying Sakura's room upset Sakura, it would also mean that you wasted all that time in actually getting her those things in the first place!

"No... No, it's alright, Monica-san. I know that you meant well and I'm more impressed by the strength of that last attack of yours if I'm honest. That was like some sort of Noble Phantasm!" You try to keep the excitement out of your tone as you praise her.

"Oh no. It's nothing nearly as impressive as that. It's just that I was born to have a very efficient magecraft that allows me to exploit the modern world. Where many other magi would suffocate and be less effective in places where humanity has prospered like a city." She pokes around the destroyed room and looks for any surviving crest worms as she explains her abilities to you. "Whereas other magi might try to draw off the magical leylines to gain magical energy, I was born with an incredibly unique sorcerous trait. I can draw in and convert electrical energy from my surroundings into my own magical power. It's something that other magi would look down on me for. I mean, honestly, who's ever heard of a magus who's only effective thanks to humanity's continued destruction of mystery?" Her face pales a little as she reveals her secret to you. That probably helps explain her disdain for magi then, she's fundamentally incompatible with their way of thinking.
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I have decided I will die on the Manaka=Monica hill and also the Monica cake route hill.

File your complaints on my superior taste and opinions to the QM.
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"You shouldn't sell yourself short, Monica-san. You really are incredibly powerful! I'm sure there are at least a few Noble Phantasms less impressive than what you just did!" Yeah... More than a few. But seriously, that ability to transform electricity into magical energy is unbelievably powerful! If magi weren't so stubborn, they wouldn't cast her out for such a power, they'd embrace it! You quickly realize that in confines of a city, Monica effectively has an infinite amount of energy. What a truly ridiculous women she is. Though it's pretty clear to you now just how she was capable of fighting Aoko, Monica could theoretically fire off as many of those magnetic cannonballs as she wants!

Monica blushes slightly at your continued praise, though there's really no need for her to. You're just being honest with her. She really is remarkably strong, and anyone that might refuse to acknowledge her abilities would be a fool indeed. "L-let's just keep moving, shall we? I've confirmed that there were no survivors among whatever was in this room before I attacked... Though it's really all down to you where we should check to find your ancestor. It's your house and he's your 'grandfather', after all."

>Check downstairs, in the basement and the worm storage.
>Check upstairs in Zouken's personal study.
>Check upstairs in Sakura's room. Maybe he just remained there?
>Don't bother checking. The only way you can be sure that Zouken is dead is if you just have Monica level the house. Consequences be damned.
>Write-in...
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>>4390158
>Touko
Not happening.
>Taiga
Belongs to Waver.
>Rider or Caster
Better options but we can do better figure wise. We're also not even guaranteed they'll even be in the war.
>>4390166
>Monica
Prefer her as a sister than a wife. Also might be a hard shotacon so we're out of her age range anyway lol.

I'd also bring up Luv for everyone's consideration before throwing her out with the others.

The sad truth of the matter is that we currently lack real mega milf options, but given how fucked the timeline is, I'm sure WhatIsAQM will have our back in that regard. For variety's sake, we're bound to get a venus bodied babe introduced at some point.
I know it's a hard thing to do, especially with folks so fervently fighting for their specific pick, but I'm of the mind to wait until we have all our options on the table before committing in any real way.
Will I keep voting to flirt with Illya? Yes.
Will I keep demanding we visit Sacchin like we promised, which seems to just mean being her "out of town BF that's totally rich and super nice and absolutely exists guys you gotta believe me"? Yes.
But that doesn't mean we won't get more new pussy down the line that will make us collectively act up and pivot super hard.
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>>4390220
>>Don't bother checking. The only way you can be sure that Zouken is dead is if you just have Monica level the house. Consequences be damned.
Idk about you guys but maybe walking around the old man's homefield isn't actually a good idea
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>>4390220
>>Don't bother checking. The only way you can be sure that Zouken is dead is if you just have Monica level the house. Consequences be damned.
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>>4390220
Check worm storage. Can you do like a affection level in the status updates? I want to make Monica a honorable woman
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>>4390220
>Check downstairs, in the basement and the worm storage.

If we level the house we lose sakuras room, and possibly wont even kill Zouken if he is chilling in his worm pit
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>>4390224
what about Aoko? It can still happen

>Will I keep demanding we visit Sacchin like we promised, which seems to just mean being her "out of town BF that's totally rich and super nice and absolutely exists guys you gotta believe me"? Yes.
Oh fuck, we sound so fucking fake too

>Yeah my boyfriend Shinji is the most handsome and charming guy you've ever seen, he spoils me because he got rich off the stock market, he's really smart and strong too, he got on the honor role at his school and he won a few tournaments cause he's a master at Bajiquan. Wait why are you guys laughing? HE'S REAL!
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>>4390220
>>Check downstairs, in the basement and the worm storage.
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>>4390239
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>>4390220
>Check downstairs, in the basement and the worm storage.
I really don't want to lose the cat plush.
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>all this shit about cakes, even some illyafags OK with giving her an adult body
Damnit, I just want to romance Illya in her original design. Is that so unacceptable to you people? What even is the appeal of a curvy figure?
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>>4390246
Cakes are the best.
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>>4390246
>Is that so unacceptable to you people?
Yes. Fuck off, faggot.
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>>4390246
>What even is the appeal of a curvy figure?
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>>4390220
>Check downstairs, in the basement and the worm storage.
The vermin returns to its lair.

>>4390246

>Whats the appeal of curves

Nigga you serious? It aint normal to be into lolis but I get it. I dont know how you get such an alien mindset you cant see the appeal of a bodytype people have found attractive through all of history.
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>>4390225
>>4390220
actually, if we do go through with demolishing shit, I would like to go to Sakura's room and grab her cat plush toy that we got her on our first trip out together
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>>4390220
>Check downstairs, in the basement and the worm storage.
I'd really rather not destroy the house if we don't have to. Imagine all the shit regarding command spells and all the catalyst we could pick up.
The loot possibilities are too damn high!

>>4390239
>Aoko
Still not really the peak milf look I think we should settle for, but getting warmer.
Unfortunately she belongs to Shiki, and I don't think Touko would appreciate it.

Also yeah, it's fucking hilarious to think about Sacchin's daily life.
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>>4390253
>>4390257
>>4390258
The full range from humorless asshole to predictable joke to straight bafflement in three posts with no repetition. Good replies people.

>>4390220
>Check downstairs, in the basement and the worm storage.
Even if he's not there, it's probably worthwhile to examine the place.
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>>4390262
Shiki has like 5 other girls, he ain't gonna miss out, also uh, gonna be honest, I don't care about Touko's reaction all that much. Though I do hope QM lets us at least go back to Misaki town and see us hangout with Sacchin and maybe do other stuff before Tsukihime happens, I wanna get a feel for our relationship with her and maybe meet up with Shiki
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>>4390220
>Check downstairs, in the basement and the worm storage.
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>>4390246
>Is that so unacceptable to you people?
Nah man I fucks with it.
I just want variety.
>What even is the appeal of a curvy figure?
More of the woman to love.
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I thought Illya was just born with that small body, was it cause of the experiments that Acht did to her that her body got stuck like that?
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>>4390246
I agree, loli Illya or nothing.

I wouldn't mind an epilogue where we truth her into being able to age if she wants or some shit, though I would prefer that we just accept her.
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>>4390280
>loli Illya or nothing
well, then nothing I guess
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>>4390220
>>Check downstairs, in the basement and the worm storage.
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>>4390283
Not gonna lie, it would be pretty funny if we ended up so focused on giving every character their "good ending" that we paired all the heroines off with other male characters and wound up alone. I could get behind that route.
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>>4390291
A good end for everyone but us? That could be fun.
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>>4390294
Shinji Makiri: ultimate wingman, lifelong bachelor.
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>>4390294
>>4390291
oh no, what will we do with our billions of dollars and god tier magic genes now
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>>4390291
>>4390294
Honestly, if that's what it take to make everyone happy then I don't give a shit. Everyone's happiness comes first before waifufaggotry.
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>>4390299
Die alone and unfulfilled in a cold, empty mansion, of course.
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>>4390304
that's probably not likely to happen but i'd be okay with it desu, as long as my boy Shirou doesn't die alone in Syria and Sakura gets the help she needs
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>>4390305
>Needing pussy to be fulfilled with life.
>Not just getting a random mob wife from the clocktower and fucking her if you care that much
Bruh, it's like people forget Shinji is a young god or something.
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>>4390291
Pairing up all canon characters is fine and dandy, weve got a few OCs we can keep for ourselves.
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>>4390304
I wasn't thinking so much in terms of what it takes as just Shinji being hilariously inept and failing to consider his own happiness. If you frame it as noble self-sacrifice, it kind of ruins the joke.
>>4390310
Again, ruining what would make the route funny.
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>>4390312
Worlds most powerful Magus lives alone in giant estate, drinks heavily, only visited by elderly acquaintance(Monica). More at 11, Clocktower News.
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>>4390320
THERE we go. I'm picturing something a little like the end to There Will Be Blood. It'd be great.
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>>4390325
On that note, we should put in a bowling alley if we get the mansion intact.
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>>4390327
Absolutely.
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>>4390320
I wouldn't mind an extra route where we devote ourselves to power and impose our reality marble over gaia or some shit, and become incredibly jaded due to the fact we accept that nothing and nobody else is real
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>>4390350
For the longest time, I was convinced that when we'd dead end we'd be greeted by some jaded old sage version of ourselves instead of Taiga.
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>>4390353
Yeah its too bad.

Overgrowth still wins for best Bad End mentor in a Fate quest.
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>>4390353
What if we summon our future self as a Foreigner servant, kitted out in a spooky tentacle suit
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>>4390220
>>Don't bother checking. The only way you can be sure that Zouken is dead is if you just have Monica level the house. Consequences be damned.
sakura can get over the damn stuffed animals we just saved her from worm hell.
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>>4390362
The idea of SHINJI being stuck guiding his idiot past selves and being forced to be joking and merry despite being a horribly jaded fuck would have been based. But I guess it's fine.

>>4390363
I was JUST about to say that, SHINJI being part of this upcoming war would be BASED, but please got not as a Foreigner.
Maybe a True Caster? Just please, muh power scaling...
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>>4390220
>Check downstairs, in the basement and the worm storage.
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