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You are Shinji Matou, eight years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.

To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have hopefully already shifted the future away from one which will feature your violent end, and have massively shifted it towards one that will have a completely different outcome in store for you, be it positive or negative.

Currently, you are in the Einzbern Castle in Germany, getting to know Illyasviel von Einzbern, the Lesser Grail and the Master of the Einzbern in the Fifth War after managing to secure an alliance with the family, promising the help them in the war. Though your true intentions really have nothing to do with helping the family achieve their goals. You're only really here for Illyasviel.


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"Actually, I did bring something with me that you might find interesting." You reach into your really rather expensive suit jacket and pull something quite conflicting with your appearance out of the inside pocket. A Gameboy Advance. "This, Illyasviel, is something I often use when I'm bored on long trips." You hold out the device for her to take a look at, and she gently takes it out of your hands to inspect it.

Illya looks a little confused by the sudden appearance of the gadget. "What's that Shinji? Some sort of remote viewing mystic code?" She gives her best bet at actually guessing what the device is. "I can hardly see why you'd find that exciting. If I wanted to do something like that I could just ask Grandfather and he'd let me see the entire Einzbern forest! But... nothing interesting happens in that forest anyway." She takes a closer look at the Gameboy regardless of her confusion of the hand-held console as a mystic code. "It's an awfully strange looking design though. Why does it have so many buttons?" Illya's curiosity increases as she takes a longer look at the console, but you can't really keep her guessing as to the truth behind the small device for very long, as cute as she might look when she's confused.

"Because it's not a mystic code at all, Illya. This is actually a piece of technology made by the modern world for the sake of entertainment. It's called a Gameboy Advance and it's used to play all manner of games." You give her a quick explanation as to the purpose of the device but not really the mechanism behind it. Hopefully she'll be impressed by the device. You don't mind giving her your Gameboy Advance and the copy of Pokémon Ruby currently inside it if she likes it.

"Play games? But how... and what kind of games would you even be able to play with something like that?" Illya's interest in the device increases by a large amount upon hearing of it's function. Clearly she's far more excited at the prospect of a games console than she is at the idea of it being a remote viewing device. Though that would be a quite nice Mystic Code to have. Though you haven't yet bothered to learn how to create any familiars for yourself yet, nor have you learned any methods to do so. While you easily could should you want to, it's completely pointless to do so while you're still having your magical energy suppressed by the necklace.

"Oh, you can play thousands of vastly different games by yourself on it, actually. It's really a wonder of modern technology. If you have multiple of them, you can even play games together with people!" At this point you sound like you're just giving a sales pitch for the Gameboy.

"T-thousands?" Illya repeats in awe that the device is capable of doing so much more than she originally expected of it.
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"Well I only brought one with me today, but I'll show you how to play it, you might enjoy it!" You have Illya hand you the Gameboy and you boot up the device. Illya's eyes shine with excitement as the screen flickers to life and starts blaring out the boot-up sound, before it immediately crashes. There's a silence in the room, Illya still looking expectantly at the crashed screen. "Just... bare with me for one moment." Illya watches with an amused look on her face as you blow on the cartridge and then on the slot for the cartridge. Official advice be damned! If it works, then it works! You flick the device on once again, and this time the game boots without issue, the startup screen playing it's animation and various Pokémon show on the screen. You quickly erase your game before handing the device back to Illya after selecting 'New Game'.

"W-what am I supposed to do?" Illya is clearly going to need a tutorial behind the device, it seems. Hopefully she's not as completely hopeless when it comes to technology as Rin is. She thankfully seems to understand things after you give her a quick rundown of all the controls and buttons of the device. "So... I select my name like this, right?" It's been about fifteen minutes since you handed Illya the device and she's finally selecting her name after selecting the female trainer. Oh well, she's having fun at least. She does quickly start to get the hang of the game though, and before long has started progressing through the game in earnest. You aren't really sure what Acht is going to think about this, but you genuinely could not care less about what Acht would think. Of basically anything, but especially in regards to Illya's well-being. He's the one responsible for Illya's intended fate, after all. He's the one responsible for summoning Angra Mainyu, too! "Ha! I won, Shinji! Illya manages to defeat the rival trainer while you think about how Acht and the maids will take the introduction of technological entertainment into the Einzbern. Eventually, hours end up passing while Illya happily plays the game and you talk with her about things, then the light on the corner of the screen goes red, indicating the device has low battery. Illya doesn't know what it means, but is intelligent enough to surmise that it probably means something bad, so she looks up at you, her face slightly worried.
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"Ah, you might want to save your game, Illya. The Gameboy runs on batteries, and you're almost out of charge. You're fortunate that I brought a few sets of batteries with me, otherwise you wouldn't be able to play anymore." You reach into your pocket and end up pulling out an 8-pack of AA Batteries. Enerloop brand. You didn't actually plan on this happening at all, yet the coincidence does bring a smile to your face. Illya does as you say, and no sooner than she's finished replacing the batteries, the door to the room opens and a maid walks through. You don't think it's Sella, and you can tell that it's definitely not Leysritt...

"Master Makiri. It is getting late. I have been assigned as your personal maid by Lord Jubstacheit for the duration of your stay here and have been commanded to escort you to your room." Hold on a second, you think you recognize her now, despite the nigh identical appearances of the Einzbern, you have noticed minor differences in their personality and body language that allow you to somewhat discern her identity. It's really thanks to your own massive amounts of training your body and your own speaking skills that you can even make the guess, and even then it's really only a guess.

"Very well... Giselle, was it?" The maid smiles faintly as you get her name correct, looks like you got it right. "Illyasviel. Feel free to keep the Gameboy. You seem to enjoy it." You decide to relinquish the Gameboy Advance to Illyasviel in it's entirety. It's not like you can't buy a new one anyway, besides, this way you can even show off the link cable to her next time you see her.

"Really? Thank you, Shinji!" This is the most excited you've seen Illya since you arrived at the Einzbern Castle. She's positively buzzing at the idea of being able to keep the device.

"But don't forget that you'll need somebody to buy AA batteries, otherwise you won't be able to play it when the batteries I gave you run out of charge!" You call out to Illya as you leave the room with Giselle. You've no real doubt that Illya will be able to convince one of the maids to leave the limits of the Einzbern's land to purchase batteries for her, it's really just a shame that you won't be able to see the resulting quest of whoever gets sent.

"Follow me, Master Makiri." Giselle leads the way to your room, and after about a minute of walking, you begin to grow a little tired of the silence of simply being escorted to your room, and looking at Giselle's back as she slowly walks in front of you, you...

>Think better of things and simply continue walking in silence. She probably doesn't want to talk with you anyway.
>Try to ask Giselle about herself to get to know her better. You're interested in the woman.
>Compliment Giselle's fighting skill, though she might have lost, she could've killed you quite easily if she wasn't restricted.
>Ask Giselle if she's happy about her life as a maid for the Einzbern.
>Write-in...
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>>4371179
Compliment her on the fight and get to know her
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>>4371186
support
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>>4371179
>Ask Giselle if she's happy about her life as a maid for the Einzbern.
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>>4371179
>Compliment her on the fight and get to know her
>Ask Giselle if she's happy about her life as a maid for the Einzbern.
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>>4371186
Support
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>>4371199
Supporting this one.
Enter the Homunculi Harem Route.
First Giselle, then Illya, then Sella and Leysritt, then the rest of the homunculi. Then we bring Irisviel and Justeaze back to life to cuck Kiritsugu and Zouken. Then finally Sieg-kun.

Lol.
I can't believe we've made Illya wanting Enerloop batteries canon. What are we, a Carnival Moment?
Shame she had to start with Gen 3 Pokemon though.
I'm glad she liked it at least.
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>>4371179
>>Compliment Giselle's fighting skill, though she might have lost, she could've killed you quite easily if she wasn't restricted.
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>>4371263
Dreams do come true
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We could try and get Illya a cellphone so we can stay in contact, Zouken probably doesn't even know what a cellphone is so I doubt he would be suspicious of anything
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>>4371331
This and we can send her videos of our latest workout routine
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>>4371331
>Zouken
That old worm sure gets around, huh?
Speaking of ol' wormdaddy. Let's kill him when we get back.
Monica can incinerate his ass.
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>>4371379
We have no idea if he's put the heart worm in Sakura yet so we should probably hold off on just incinerating the bastard until we have a plan and more information.
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>>4371370
Let’s send her our massive pecs
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>>4371381
But I want to kill him now!
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>>4371402
She'll be longing for that seaweed
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>>4371415
Glorious nippon steel
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>>4371402
Don't think cellphones can send pics yet, we might have to resort to making ASCII art of our pecs to flirt with Illya
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You damn technophiles. What kinda magus are we, anyway? Vidya, cell phones, this is ridiculous.
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>>4371179
>Compliment Giselle's fighting skill.
>Write in. Compliment her, use your perseption to find something unique about her appearance, even if it's something incredibly minor and compliment her on it looking good.
>Try to ask Giselle about herself to get to know her better. You're interested in the woman.
We can save asking her if she's happy for another time. For now start with what should look like casual flirting.
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>>4371179
>Compliment Giselle's fighting skill, though she might have lost, she could've killed you quite easily if she wasn't restricted.
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>>4371451
Shut up, Rin.
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>>4371179
>>4371455
Support seeing if we can plant self consciousness
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>>4371455
>Support
I can only guess that Acht has been spying on us the whole time and is annoyed by all these things we've introduced them to.
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>>4371455
Support. We need to flirt with everybody
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>>4371455
+1
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>>4371455
Supporting.
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>>4371455
Supporting this. We have all that charisma for a reason don’t we? May as well use it maybe try to woo her over ;)
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>>4371815
Remember, one service maids can give is fellatio. And the Einzbern maids use halberds, which, like spears and "spears", can be polished. :^)
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>>4371451
Technology is great, magic is great. Why chose just one?
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Huh, so is everyone down for the maid rebellion now, or do people just want maid waifu?
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>>4371860
Personally, maid waifu.
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>>4371860
Nope. The only person in this castle worth paying attention to is Illya.
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>>4371860
I'm flirting for the maid rebellion, but I'm not convinced it's even possible. As far as waifus go, we have Sakura waiting for us at home.
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>>4371860
Testing the maid rebellion feasibility, don't really care for waifus until we develop the character more after all problem with homonculi waifus is its all fun and games until we find out she's near the end of her lifespan and has x months to live.
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>>4371179
>Compliment Giselle's fighting skill, though she might have lost, she could've killed you quite easily if she wasn't restricted.
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>>4371863
>not Illya
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>>4371934
>not Sakura
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>>4371950
God, we need to help that girl before it's too late...
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>>4371950
I’m here to save Sakura and marry Illya
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>>4371971
>I’m here to save Sakura and marry Illya
Obligatory;
"but who'll save Illya from Sakura?"
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>>4371997
More like:
"Who will save all of them from Altrouge?"
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>>4371186
Support
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>>4371971
This
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>>4371455
Supporting
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>>4371967
Look man, I am not fucking look forward to the next visit with Sakura, we're 16 now and uh, those are when the bad times began
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>>4372369
Can Sakura even become pregnant after the worms literally tore their way through her reproductive system for years on end?
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>>4372374
Yes. Pretty sure Shirou give her kids in Hollow doesn't he?
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>>4372374
well considering that she managed to regen after ripping into her own heart... i'd say so yeah
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>>4372376
I don’t rmemebee this
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>>4372391
Are you ok anon?
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>>4372396
Typographical error
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Bros...
I'm really thinking about it...
Honestly...did we really do all that much for Sakura?
Like, we've made her early life better by being there for her and spoiling her like a princess, but it's not like we've stopped her from getting tortured for the past several years. We introduced her to Shirou but she would have done that on her own anyway. We haven't made her more confident or more able to handle life on her own. We've been gallivanting around the globe doing things to set up for the war, and sure that's very important don't get me wrong, but while we were doing that Sakura has been going through the same old shit she always does.
I guess having someone close by that can act as the light at the end of the tunnel and really encourage you to keep strong is always a good thing. But Sakura was always a pretty hopeful and strong person anyway, so what has Shinji really done here?
You know, besides make her emotionally dependent.
What if Shinji, despite his best intentions, is actively making her life worse?
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>>4372430
There’s only so much we can do. Everything we’ve done so far has been to aid helping her
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>>4372430
>You know, besides make her emotionally dependent.
She would have just been dependent on Shirou otherwise. At least we actually aren't as dense as Shirou is.
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>>4372430
Not many wanted to improve our relationship with Sakura either, for some reason.
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>>4372430
Anon, there's only so much we can do for her, remember, we're still likely unable to do anything against Zouken. I mean, I wanted to send Kerry after Zouken but apparently a good chunk of anons have a hate boner for him and voted until we would abandon him.
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>>4372438
Fuck those guy(s)
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>>4372438
Kerry can't exactly do anything really. Zouken isn't someone you can simply shoot or overpower. If it was that easy we wouldn't have so many problems with him.

And after Kerry dragged the Einzberns into it, it just wasn't worth it anyway. We literally got WoG that following him in his crusade would have been insanely deadly aka a really bad idea.
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>>4372438
"good chunk of anons"

Pretty sure its two salty fucks and one of their VPNs
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>>4372433
I don't know man...I just get the feeling we could have done more and it hurts.

>>4372435
>She would have just been dependent on Shirou otherwise.
That's kinda what I mean. This would have been a perfect time to make her not that! To make her not emotionally dependent on Shinji, Shirou, or anyone else. To help her be a more mentally healthy person in general. And you say we aren't as dense as Shirou but what are we doing right now? The odds of Sakura not getting with Shinji is very very likely and we've done nothing to prepare her for that possibility. If anything she'll be worse off than she is in the Fate and UBW routes!

>>4372437
I think many people thought "improving" our relationship would be waifuing her further, rather than...well spending more time with her.

>>4372438
I honestly doubt there was anything we could have done to get Kerry to go after Zouken rather than run after the Einzberns. Even if we would have stopped him from running off on his own when given the chance, the idea of us then telling him to go after this other impossible to kill big bad instead of the one that has his daughter hostage seems pretty nutty. But at least your heart was in the right place.
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>>4372464
Being mentally healthy isn’t a possibility when you spend your life as a worm fuck toy
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>>4372464
Sakura did just fine in both UBW and Fate endings, despite not being with Shirou. She will be okay. We don't need to go overboard over the present since we are already working hard to solve the cause of her suffering. It's imo much more productive than spending time with her without reason, as that's just ameliorating the symptoms rather than finding a permeant cure.
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>>4372446
Anon, I wanna have fun and live on the edge while playing a quest, its boring as shit if we just train and don't do anything risky that might benefit us. Plus it might be interesting to see what a Bad End looks like

>>4372449
oh yeah, almost forgot all those anons who mysteriously only voted once and only for that write in where we abandon Kerry. At least they quit bitching and got what they want

>>4372464
Look, I just wanted to either try to stop him or at least up the odds somehow. Saving our friends is on the top of my to do list much more than just training until we become essentially immortal. But we'll never know what we could've done now
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>>4372464
>I honestly doubt there was anything we could have done to get Kerry to go after Zouken rather than run after the Einzberns.
I don't know about Zouken but I feel our big mistake was telling him about what was going on with Illya, if he didn't think she was currently at risk he might've postponed his next attempt at least long enough to ensure Kirei was dead instead of making it a rush job in order to go save daddy's little girl.
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>>4371971
Now this is somebody talking sense.
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>>4372477
>Anon, I wanna have fun and live on the edge while playing a quest, its boring as shit if we just train and don't do anything risky that might benefit us. Plus it might be interesting to see what a Bad End looks like
>>4372477
Then you can attack Zouken right now? Would that be enough edge for you?
That should be plenty deadly too.
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>>4372489
there's a difference between life on the edge and suicide
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>>4372479
We didn’t even choose that it was just part of the update
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>>4372471
Maybe not, but literally any attempt could have been made rather than just shrugging our shoulders and letting it happen. Shinji has been in the perfect position to help her and the fact that we haven't even tried it is kinda heartbreaking.

>>4372476
>Sakura did just fine in both UBW and Fate endings.
It has been a while since I've played Fate Stay Night, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but in one arc she all but disappears from the story, in the other, she falls into a deep depression, and in Heaven's Feels route it's all but stated that she basically NEEDS Shirou to be truly happy in life.
Please tell me I'm retarded and I'm just misremembering things. Please.

>>4372477
>Saving our friends is on the top of my to do list
All I'm saying is saving the characters we like from death is all well and good, but as we've seen from the disaster that was that whole situation, saving them from death doesn't necessarily mean they'll live happy lives afterward.
You might want to blame that on samefags, but I don't think trying to "save" Kerry the way we did would have led to anything good.

>>4372479
>I don't know about Zouken but I feel our big mistake was telling him about what was going on with Illya
I have a really really strong feeling that simply stopping him from dying rather than trying to help him find fulfillment in his life beforehand was where shit really went wrong.
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>>4372494
Odds are about as well as defeating a magus stronghold with combat homunculi on our own with only Kerry.
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>>4372504
We’ve done basically all we could and are everyday working towards zoukens eradication
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>>4372504
>Shinji has been in the perfect position to help her and the fact that we haven't even tried it is kinda heartbreaking.
Tell me about it, as important as she is to his decisions she's lucky get more than a mention per timeskip if that, but I guess that's what happens when any outcome that doesn't keep her as a background character and has her getting directly involved in major events can be summed up as 'mistakes were made'
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You yawn and stretch before you begin speaking to the dutiful maid escorting you to your room. "You know, Giselle. You're awfully strong. If you hadn't been forced to hold back in that fight, I never would've beaten you. You could've killed me with a single bare handed blow." Let's see how she responds to being praised for her fighting ability, shall we?

"Of course, I was created with physical strength as a core part of my being. It is to be expected that I should overpower my enemies in totality. If I was unable to, I would be deemed as a failure." Despite the praise you give her, Giselle seems completely non-plussed. "I am of course thankful that Lord Jubstacheit did not deem it necessary to dispose of me due to my inability to defeat an unarmed opponent incapable of using magecraft. This too is testament that despite my failures, I am still a homunculus of the highest quality." There's a hint of pride in her voice as she says that.

You feel a little sick when Giselle mentions being 'disposed of' with so little emotion, almost as if she considers being used and destroyed at a whim to be a perfectly natural and normal thing. It disgusts you, that they would think so little of their own lives in order to simply act as tools for the Einzbern. But you certainly can't hate the homunculi for being this way. Fully sentient life created and taught during their very creation to act as slaves all for the sake of achieving a millennia old wish. "Why would you be disposed of? It was just a friendly spar, and you really are incredibly powerful!"

"All that spar did was prove that I am incapable of incapacitating a normal human being. It is a point of shame that I will never forget. Being defeated by you." All of a sudden, the conversation seems to be taking a turn towards painting you in a negative light. That you were somehow in the wrong for defeating the woman, it was in the end a challenge of proving your own worth by diminishing Giselle's own, when you think about it.

"H-hey! I'm not a normal human at all! I'm a champion martial artists! Don't try to say that our spar was a measure of your incapability to do anything!" You try to convince Giselle to think of things in a more positive way.
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"You... You called me unskilled." Giselle actually seems to be somewhat upset by merely recalling what you said during your fight with her. In truth you were just showing off, but it seems like your opponent has really taken what you said quite seriously. "And I must agree. My own skill is irrelevant. My combat strength would be non-existent without the physical power of the body I was created with." This conversation is actually going in the complete opposite direction that you hoped it would. "We've arrived at your room, Master Makiri. Shall I show you in or do you no longer have need of me?" She changes the subject with ease as she turns to face you in front of a door before you even get the chance to try to correct her on the praise you gave her. Damn it!

"Actually Giselle. I want to ask you to do something else for me." She remains silent as she awaits your orders. "Could you... remove your hood?" You'd really like to be able to compliment Giselle on something more major than just her body language, so her hair is really your only option her. She doesn't ask for any confirmation or clarification on your request, and simply takes off the hood that was concealing her long silver blond hair, it's slightly wavy and extends past her shoulders. "I just wanted to see your hair, actually. I much prefer you without your hood on, Giselle, it's really a crime that you are forced to wear that uniform which conceals your beautiful hair." It really is beautiful, actually. You were honestly a little bit taken aback by how beautiful Giselle truly is when she's not wearing the frankly silly looking uniform of the Einzbern.

"I... thank you, for your kind words." Giselle this time clearly doesn't know how to respond, and manages only after some effort to grind out an awkward thank you along with a faint blush. It seems that complimenting her on her appearance is a far more effective way of making her happy than complimenting her on her strength. Especially after she lost to you. It's annoying though, Giselle really is tremendously strong!

"If you don't mind me asking, Giselle. What is it that you actually get up to in your free time? Do you have any hobbies?" There must be something that the maids and butlers of the Einzbern do when they aren't fulfilling their duties.
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"We homunculi are not permitted to engage in such flights of fancy as that. When I am not on duty, I rest. That is what I was created for." It actually stings a little to know just how much that Giselle's development as a living being has been stunted. She thinks herself to be nothing more than an automaton that exists to fulfill the wishes of the Einzbern, but you've really just proven to yourself that Giselle at least has emotions of her own.

>"Thank you Giselle, but I must bid you goodnight, I no longer require your services for the day."
>"I wouldn't mind if you showed me around the guest accommodations actually, Giselle."
>"Well, if you don't have any hobbies of your own, why don't we see about playing a game together? Do you know the rules of Chess?"
>Continue flirting with Giselle.
>Write-in...
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>>4372527
>"Well, if you don't have any hobbies of your own, why don't we see about playing a game together? Do you know the rules of Chess?"
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>>4372527
>"Well, if you don't have any hobbies of your own, why don't we see about playing a game together? Do you know the rules of Chess?"
Hopefully Acht doesn't simply throw her out once she gets attached to is.
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>>4372509
>We’ve done basically all we could
Honestly, I don't think that's true, but maybe I'm just stressing out about nothing.

>>4372518
We still have one more timeskip coming up. Now that we're getting closer to the war, there isn't much to do besides train and keep in touch with our inner circle anyway. Kerry is...helped, We're already pretty rich and are bound to get richer by the end of the war without any input, Shirou is a fucking powerhouse in the making and our connections with the Einzberns and folks like the Fujimura are firmly established. We can find time to focus on Sakura a bit just to make 100% sure she'll be alright and not fall into a doom spiral when neither Shirou or Shinji pick her for waifu, can't we?

>>4372527
>"I wouldn't mind if you showed me around the guest accommodations actually, Giselle."
I have a feeling she might be overly resistant to the idea of playing a game with us, so talking with her as she does her normal duties should allow us to get through to her easier.
We might run into some of her sisters as well which should be good.
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>>4372527
>"I wouldn't mind if you showed me around the guest accommodations actually, Giselle."
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>>4372527
>I apologise for my earlier comments, I didn't realise that you'd take it to heart. If you wanted I'd be more than happy to teach you some of the basics of my fighting style, then you would have both power and skill to perform your duties.
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>>4372527
>>4372587
+1
I don't think teaching her Chess when she's been created with physical prowess as her #1 identifying feature is the best way to get her to like us more.
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>>4372587
Supporting.
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>>4372527
>>4372543
Changing to >>4372587
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>>4372527
>"I wouldn't mind if you showed me around the guest accommodations actually, Giselle."
Good to know our way around the place, you never know when it might come in handy.
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>>4372587
Supporting
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>>4372527
>>4372529
>"I wouldn't mind if you showed me around the guest accommodations actually, Giselle."
Changing to this.
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>>4372527
>"I wouldn't mind if you showed me around the guest accommodations actually, Giselle.
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>>4372527
>"I wouldn't mind if you showed me around the guest accommodations actually, Giselle.
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>>4372527
>>4372587
>I apologise for my earlier comments, I didn't realise that you'd take it to heart. If you wanted I'd be more than happy to teach you some of the basics of my fighting style, then you would have both power and skill to perform your duties.
support this
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Support
>I apologise for my earlier comments, I didn't realise that you'd take it to heart. If you wanted I'd be more than happy to teach you some of the basics of my fighting style, then you would have both power and skill to perform your duties.
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>>4372527
backing >>4372587
hopefully this won't progress to
>Giselle starts to teach all other maids baijiquan
>entire Einzbern homunculi household knows baijiquan eventually
>curbstomp kiritsugu when he FINALLY begins his attempt to save Illya
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Might be a good idea to slip in some of the spiritual stuff that comes with any martial art. Though bajiquan is a bit more practical about that I think.
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Make it about being one with the root.
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>>4372995
You OK?
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Yeah? I remember doing martial arts as a kid. Spiritual stuff might help focus on individualism / spiritualism or whatever.
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Looking at the maid standing statue still outside your room's door, you sigh and shake your head. You have to make this right. "I apologize for my earlier comments, Giselle. I might not be here for very long, but if you would like, I could teach you the basics of my fighting style in order to prevent you from losing to another person like me." Really, it's the least you can offer her now that you realize just how poorly she took her loss to you. Giselle was created solely with the defense of the Einzbern in mind. That she lost to you under those circumstances must be soul-crushing for her, while the fight was put to a stop before it could properly develop to it's conclusion, it was pretty obvious that you massively had the upper hand the moment you managed to close the distance. "This way you'll be able to properly defend the Einzbern from threats with similar abilities to me."

"Are you really offering to train me... to make it so you would lose to me if we fought again?" Giselle sounds uncertain of your suggestion, her voice filled with doubt. Of course, from her position, it would likely seem nonsensical. Why would you care about what happened to her at all, or about her combat ability?
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"Well, of course. I don't want you feeling like your strength is the only reason behind you existing. If you're unskilled at combat, then there's only one solution, isn't there?" Really, the offer you're making her is primarily motivated out of guilt. You were unaware of just what the consequences might've been for defeating an Einzbern Homunculus would've been for the losing homunculus. You never would've taken such a course of action if you knew that their loss to you could very well have led to them being killed for their failure. "You see Giselle, we are all created to serve a purpose in one way or another. But it's only through finding your own purpose that you can truly be considered alive." What you're saying is not strictly true, but at the same time it is. Benefits of knowing the truth behind reality is that you know that everyone you've ever met was created to serve a narrative purpose. But only you can allow them to expand upon that purpose to truly begin to live. Only you can help these fictional characters truly begin to exist. It is only by your own actions that they can be freed from their already written existences. It is only through your interference that the future cannot be truly predestined. You are the most important person on the entire planet in that regard. Everyone except yourself is a slave to their own fate, but the longer you interact with people, the less you start to see those people in particular as fictional. There's always going to be that feeling at the back of your head though, no matter how long you interact with any single person. 'You don't exist. Disappear.' Thankfully though, you have a good handle on that particular negative thought that plagues your mind, and as long as things remain that way, you don't think you're going to have any problems with considering people as real. Well, almost real.

"Then I will accept your offer to teach me some of your fighting skills. I don't really get why you want to help me at all, nor about rising above the purpose I was created. I'm just a homunculus to be disposed of, after all." Yes, that is exactly the reason you ought to wish to rise above your own created purpose, Giselle. Why are these homunculi so fine with the idea of their own death? They'll sacrifice themselves for nothing? Never experiencing any form of genuine happiness? "But I will not refuse the offer to make myself more capable in fulfilling my duties." It's the complete opposite of the sort of response you were hoping for, but you'll have to take it for now. Does she really not get it? That there is more to life than her programmed wish to serve the Einzbern? With enough time, you're certain you could make her believe otherwise, but as things are now, Giselle is still content with the life of a slave to be executed at a whim. "Though it is getting quite late, Master Makiri. So I would suggest you get some sleep. I will be happy to receive your guidance in fighting tomorrow."
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You yawn once again, she's right. As much as you would like to teach Giselle some of your Bajiquan now, it really is getting too late, and you don't know how fatigued that Giselle is from her own duties as a maid. It would be summarily unfair to attempt to teach a woman who is likely in truth nearly completely exhausted from waking at whatever time she is required to to fulfill her duties as a maid for the Einzbern. You're actually fairly tired yourself, and it's likely not the best time to be trying to teach skills that require the utmost focus with the two of you in such states. Of course, you can't just stand in the hallway forever, so you finally decide to open the door to the guest room, it's quite a beautiful room itself, not on the scale of Illya's room, nor is it quite as beautiful or exquisitely furnished, but it clearly cost an incredible amount to furnish, just like basically everything in the Einzbern's Castle. If you aren't mistaken, there was some anecdote somewhere that actually mentioned the Einzbern came into possession of Das Rheingold at some time. You wonder if that cursed pile of treasure might have something to do with their continued lack of success in practically every regard.

Giselle follows you into the room, and while you look around the room, she uses that time to take a breath before she says her next line. "I do have one more question that I am... required to ask you by Lord Jubstacheit." She hesitates for a moment before continuing. "Would you say that I... have proven myself capable as acting as your personal maid?" What on Earth is she getting at with a question like that?

>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>"If this is some sort of roundabout way of asking me if I want you to continue to act as my maid for the duration of my stay, then I won't say no."
>"You were adequate, Giselle. But I do get the feeling that this isn't really an area you specialize in."
>Write-in...
And
>Skip to the end of the Einzbern visit.
>Play through the second day of the visit.You will get the same sort of results either way, unless you play through the second day and manage to make a poor decision.
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>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."

But also:
>”Unfortunately I am here against the wishes of my grandfather and have a duty to return soon. I would like you to serve me for a while longer, but unfortunately I can’t have that.”
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>>4373037
Of course you have and skip to the end.
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>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Skip to the end of the Einzbern visit.
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>>4373037
Oh fuck. Now that's the "alternative mindset" shit I like to see! Shinji is fucking nuts and I love it!
Anyway
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
I'm not sure if it's Acht plan specifically or it's just how things are done with the guests of the Einzberns, but using Giselle as a point man so we don't spread the taint of self determination to the the other maids is a solid move. Maid Rebellion, while proven possible, might have just been killed in its cradle if accepting Giselle means we won't have contact with the other maids, but rejecting her might very well lead to her death, which would be awful.
Oh well.
>Skip to the end of the Einzbern visit.
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>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Play through the second day of the visit.

I want to see if we can get Illya that cellphone before we go
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>>4373037
>>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
And
>skip to the end
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>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."

>Skip to the end of the Einzbern visit.
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>>4373037
>Of course and skip.
There's the alien mindset.
Damn it, Shinji.
Well I guess that much is to be expected.
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>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Play through the second day of the visit.
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>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Play through the second day of the visit.
Fucking hell Shinji
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>>4373037
>>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>>Skip to the end of the Einzbern visit.
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>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Play through the second day of the visit.
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>>4373037
>>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Play through the second day of the visit.
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>>4373037
>>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>>Play through the second day of the visit.
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So now that we're confirmed to actually be insane enough for a reality marble by considering literally all of existence to be beneath us in some way, I really can't wait for the inevitable confrontation with Gilgamesh.
We need to smugly call him a worthless footnote and pick apart his retarded plan.
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All these phone posters
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>>4373037
Of course and skip to next part
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Shinji is actually so broken that I think only somebody equally broken like Manaka would have the potential to fix him.
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>>4373164
That's why we should pursue her
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>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Play through the second day of the visit.
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>>4373167
Well we dreamed of her I think.
So there's at least some connection there.
I doubt she'd accept being part of a harem.
She might if it was Arturia though.
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>>4373164
>Fix Him
And why in the fuck would we want to do that?
Do you want the reality marble or don't you?
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>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Skip to the end of the Einzbern visit.

>those inner thoughts
It is almost if posting in the thread affects actual progression of the plot, separated from choices. With our dice being power of our Truth as if we are actually some Outer God with Shinji Matou being a meat puppet rationalizing entire thing to make it look like his own will.
Kind of reminds me of those proto-Neuralink research projects were scientists made animals move via electrodes connected to the brain. Since brain activity of those animals was no different from when were moving on their own scientists theorycrafted that every command animals received was interpereated by a brain as its own will.
But that would be hell of a twist and way too meta to be true.
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Why hasn't Alaya labelled us a threat to humanity yet?
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>>4373199
I think you’re thinking about it too hard
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>>4373200
Because we aren't a threat.
What have we done that's threatening to anyone?
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>>4373202
I don't think you're thinking about it hard enough.
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>>4373205
Existed.
We're a foreign existence to the planet.
We should've set off the defense system.
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>>4373202
The thing is: It does make sense from in-universe perspective and was referenced by Touko.
>>4373200
>>4373205
>>4373213
Thus far we seems to be constantly working for a benefit of Alaya like Mysterious Heroine XX in FGO. Might be a reason why we yet to meet some junitor.
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So do you guys think we'll be able to get the RM and our Truth manifestation and manipulation shit going before the war starts?
We've been hitting on all cylinders every time we get the chance to practice them, but we still haven't truly broken through to making them useful tools. At this rate, I'm not sure if it's even possible to get them functional before the war starts or if we need to do something drastic to really make things click for Shinji.
Either way, would it be best to keep pushing them for what might be minimal results or try to incorporate our truth with other forms of magecraft, like we did with Truth Healing?
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>>4373037
>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>Skip to the end of the Einzbern visit.
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>>4373231
>try to incorporate our truth with other forms of magecraft, like we did with Truth Healing?
The way our healing turned out to be is likely had something to do with interaction between our Affinity and Origin.
Going by that we might have a good shot at getting similar results from things like Bounded Fields, Absorption, Counter-Magic or Curses?
Although if we can push any magecraft into that state our Reinforcement can become Self-Modification?
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>>4373210
I dont care about our origin i just want to save sakura and marry illya
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>>4373270
A noble and valid goal if there ever was one.
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>>4373270
Hear, hear!
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>>4373253
Why do you think I've been pushing for runes? It might interact with truth, and runes are super useful anyways. Gandr Shot gives us a non-truth attack, you can enchant equipment with runes to defense and to hit harder, use them for things like tracking spells and support magic.
They are super fucking useful
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>>4373037
>>"Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle."
>>Skip to the end of the Einzbern visit.
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>>4373306
I think we should learn projection too, especially since we know how to Trace.
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>>4373523
projection plus truth could be broken
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>>4373523
The mana cost would be too high for projection to actually be useful, even if we have a ton. The only reason why Shirou can use it is because his entire existance and magecraft abilities are specifically tailored to strenghten projection, which we don't have.
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>>4373574
We understand the process he uses to make replicas, and we have the ability to manifest Truth.
Projection can't be more costly than truth manifestation, and would last longer if we apply tracing to it.
We also take less mana to cast those spells than normal mages would, and what they would consider to be a high mana cost is tiny for us.

I also believe that it may be able to make truth manifestation last longer, since with tracing applied Gaia shouldn't be able to tell if it's not natural, going by the Projections Shirou had in his shed.
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There's genuinely only one sort of answer that you can give the maid, when it comes to actually acting as a maid she's really only led you to your room, after all, so there is quite literally nothing to find fault with in her performance. "Of course you have, what sort of a question is that? You've fulfilled your duties excellently so far, Giselle." Never mind that actually being critical as to her performance may very well end up in her death if Acht is feeling particularly vindictive towards her.

"I'm... glad that you feel that way... Lord Makiri." What? Have you graduated from being called Master now? It doesn't feel quite right to be called a Lord when you officially hold no noble title that would grant you the right to actually be referred to as such. Then again, it's not really like you can imagine Acht actually holds a true noble title, considering that he's some sort of advanced golem. "Goodnight, Lord Makiri. If you require my services once more, please simply call my name. Within the bounds of the Einzbern Castle, we homunculi are magically alerted whenever our names are spoken aloud with the intent to summon us." That actually sounds like quite the advanced piece of magecraft, actually. You wonder how it is attuned to so many of the maids and how often the bounded fields require updating due to the creation of new homunculi... Giselle curtsies as she leaves the room while you ponder on the specifics of the Einzbern's bounded field. Seems that it does a lot more than just repel unwanted visitors.

With nothing else to do, you decide it would probably be for the best if you were to get some sleep after all. You have a busy day of getting to know Illya better... or rather getting Illya to like you more, ahead of you tomorrow, and you wouldn't want to be unprepared for dealing with the whims of the small homunculus girl, she can be quite the handful when she wants to be, but thankfully it seems that her attention has truly been enraptured by the games console that you gave her. For somebody who has lived the majority of their life in boredom like Illya, that sort of entertainment media must be like something of a drug to her.
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The two days pass in blissful happiness as you work to truly make Illya like you, and you feel like by the end of your time with her, you have become one of Illya's closest friends, your only real competition is Leysritt honestly. You refrained from making any form of romantic move on Illyasviel within the bounds of the Einzbern Castle though. Acht knows exactly what happened the last time the person he had got to help the Einzbern win the grail war fell in love with the lesser grail. So while there is a part of you that wants to do so, you are held back by fear of Acht's retribution or the alliance falling apart thanks to your rash actions. There's also the problem that despite Illya being about a year or two older than you, she looks about six years younger than you do. Of course, if you were around her for long enough you'd probably get over that particular... quirk of her body though. You never really found one body type more attractive than the other, honestly. You can appreciate beauty in most of it's forms after all, it's just that the morality of the world you held to in your other life keeps worming its way into the forefront of your mind. It's not like it would be impossible for you to truly fall in love with Illya though, she really is adorable when she wants to be. She's also completely terrifying when she wants to be, but aside from a few... playful threats, she's been as good as gold when it comes to keeping the more unhinged part of her personality under control.

Your training with Giselle goes surprisingly well. Despite her complete lack of any martial arts skill, the combat homunculus is actually a remarkably quick study when it comes to activities like increasing her own combat skill. Her progress is incredible that in only two days, you're already teaching her some of the more advanced techniques you know of. Still, she's not quite as quick a study as you were, and you can still see the flaws in some of her attacks as she practices, but she has very much taken the lessons you have given her to heart and as a result is likely the strongest homunculi among the Einzbern when it comes to pure fighting ability. You managed to confirm that Giselle was not quite as strong as Leysritt, but she should still be strong enough to lift and throw a car with ease. A single elbow strike from Giselle would be enough to turn a normal person's upper body into chunky gore.

Giselle also takes the role of being your personal maid, providing everything you ask for and even a great deal that you don't ask her for. Despite her original... stiffness, when it came to acting as a maid for you, you can see that the woman truly excels at her job as a maid. Almost as much as she now excels as a combatant. Ever since she realized the true power of martial arts, Giselle has continually taken any opportunity she can to give you her thanks. Guess that's one way of letting somebody know you appreciate something they did for you.
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Eventually though, the day of your departure comes, and you find yourself saying your farewells to Illyasviel, who is looking at you with an annoyed expression on her face. You can't really reveal the true reason behind your departure to the Einzbern. Full disclosure as to why you do what you do is something that you don't really intend to allow anyone to gain insight on, at least not until you've already achieved your goals. Then you can reveal to people your motivations. But probably not the complete truth of the world. The knowledge that the world is but a story would likely be enough to break the fragile minds of almost anybody who is told the truth of what they are. At best you would be able to process that sort of knowledge with only a mere existential crisis, but for the majority it would completely destroy their mind.

"I don't see what could be so important that you have to take care of it in Fuyuki instead of spending more time with me." Illya is pouting. "You're... fun to talk with." Clearly Illya doesn't want to reveal what could really be called her new-found addiction to the Game Boy Advance. Unlike most magi when it comes to technology, Illyasviel seems to actually enjoy it. Funny how much her opinion on technology differs from that of Acht. "You'll come back when you get the time, right?" You suppose you should consider it a very good thing that Illyasviel is looking forward to your next visit.

"I'll promise to at least try, Illya." You don't really know what the next years before the grail war will hold for you, but you'll definitely at least try to visit the Einzbern a few times to see Illya once again. She even smiles at you as you give your answer. Really though, you absolutely want to continue to get Illya to like you. Despite your apprehension about her appearance slightly throwing you off, personality wise, she's incredible easy to get along with... just so long as she hasn't decided she wants to torture you to death or put your soul in a doll.
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The Lord of the Castle himself has seen fit to see you off, Acht stands with Giselle behind him. Curiously, her hood is off once again, allowing you to see her long wavy hair again. "I bid you good luck in whatever it is you must do, Young Makiri." Just as it looks like Acht is going to turn and leave, he continues to speak. "I've decided upon something of a... farewell present, for you." Giselle steps forwards. "I took note of just how well you got along with Giselle here, and I am quite happy to have her accompany you on your travels. Think of her as a physical representation of our alliance." Wait a minute. He's just going to give you Giselle? What? You suppose you have the money to look after her, but it still seems like an odd decision on Acht's part... unless he intends her to act as some sort of spy for the Einzbern, and to report you if she notices any suspicious behavior. But then you know that Giselle might just be gotten rid of by the Einzbern if you were to just outright refuse her here.

>Accept Giselle and have her come back with you to Fuyuki.
>Decline the offer and have Giselle stay with the Einzbern.
>Accept Giselle and ask for an additional maid so that Giselle has someone to talk to.
>Ask for a guarantee that Giselle wouldn't be spying on you.
>Write-in...
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>>4373915
She 100% is spying on us, though I don't really want her to be killed off

>Write-in
>"Although I appreciate the offer, bringing Giselle back with me at the present time would likely raise suspicion, and could jeopardize our alliance. When things have been taken care of I would be happy to accept her."
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>>4373915
Can we take Illya instead?
>Accept Giselle and have her come back with you to Fuyuki.
The spy thing is an acceptable risk, not something I'm really worried about.
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>>4373915
>Accept Giselle and have her come back with you to Fuyuki.
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>>4373915
>>4373935
This. We can't keep her where Zouken will find her, and as far as Acht knows we don't have anywhere else to put her but the Matou manor.
And while it's risky, I doubt that Acht would so easily throw away what is now their more combat capable maid.
I mean he might, it's fucking Acht, but it's a risk we're gonna have to take.
Also WhatIs, what are Giselle's meassurements? Is she as...big as Leysritt, or is she more stella sized?
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>>4373915
>>Accept Giselle and have her come back with you to Fuyuki.
Ahah! Finally we can replace Sakura completely.
>Giselle, shovel the snow off the roof!
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>>4373915
>>4373935
Support, at the latest have her brought over to their manor early to 'prepare it for the HGW', outside the timeskip 2 years is a long time and last thing we need is Zouken to notice us beginning to align with his main rival.
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Giselle/Illya oyakodon when?
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>>4373935
>>4373943
>>4373946
I mean, we can just buy her an apartment in Fuyuki.
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>>4373943
Measurements-wise, Giselle is just a little smaller than Sakura.
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>>4373935
support
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>>4373915
>>Accept Giselle and have her come back with you to Fuyuki.
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>>4373915
Accept Giselle
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>>4373950
Way I figure why through the trouble to personally set up someone with an apartment who previously lived in an isolated commune, when we could instead ask Acht to have her sent to the existing Einzbern manor in 6 months to a year or so to 'prepare it for future occupation', at least that way it's much less noticeable what's going on to outsiders even without looking at the paper trail (while also giving us time to plan to cover our tracks).
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At this point, I am willing to risk getting a bad end in an attempt to kill Zouken as soon as we get back, I think we have a decent shot with our skills.

>>4373936
>Can we take Illya instead?
If only.
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>>4373915
I want to get rid of Zouken when we get back, so this is acceptable to me.
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>>4373950
That's not the point.
She's clearly going to be used as a fucking spy and the closer she is, both physically and emotionally, the easier it'll be for Acht to get more and more info on us.
We wouldn't be able to get away with half of the shit we've been doing if Zouken even gave the slightest shit to even pay someone to look out for us. And in case our dealings with the man hasn't made it clear, Acht isn't someone we want knowing about our life. He's just as, if not more dangerous, than Zouken.

>>4373954
I was expecting between Leysritt and Sakura, but I can't be disapointed with that I suppose.
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>>4373915
>>Accept Giselle and have her come back with you to Fuyuki.
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We can't be seen outside with her, at all. It would raise too many questions to be seen with someone so distinctive. Even if we put her in normal clothes, she'll stand out like a sore thumb and any mage in the city would know the look of an Einzbern Homunculi. If we get her an apartment, she'd have to stay there, by herself, for possibly days at a time for what might be years. If she really is on orders to spy on us, then she'll probably go out of her way to follow us around, and while Shinji is pretty damn perceptive, it's still a huge hassle. And that's not even mentioning the possibility of her spying on other people, like Shirou or Sakura. We could get Touko to make us another puppet, but then we have to worry about 3 different Shinji's walking around the same city, all occupying the same spaces, talking to similar people, and there's also the chance she'll catch on to the fact that she's talking to a puppet like Sakura has and then report that to Acht, which opens that whole can of worms. Speaking of worms, sure Zouken doesn't give two shits about Shinji now, but with dear old dad on death's door, Zouken will be paying at least some attention to us. Now, more than ever is the time to lock things down.
I honestly don't know how you guys expect this to go. What's the fucking plan here?
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>>4373935
Support. Giselle is cute and I want to ruffle her pretty hair.
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I vote we keep Giselle, sometimes a man needs a maid, also what is a magician without his charming assistant. We can hide her in our lab or closet or.... Something.
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>>4374015
Look guy, good taste in maid waifu, but we can't fucking us her as any time of assistant, she's not supposed to know we can use magic! We can't hide her with Touko because then she knows about Touko, something we've been trying to keep hidden from literally everyone! Giselle is cute and I want to keep her around too, but we have to be smart about this. She's a walking security risk and we need to treat her as such.
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>>4374002
>What's the fucking plan here?
There is no plan, only coom.
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>>4373915
>>Accept Giselle and have her come back with you to Fuyuki.
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>>4373915
>>4373935
This, though if Acht proposes a reasonable solution, accept it
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>>4374025
C000000000000000000M!!!
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>>4373915
>>4373935
Supporting.
Let's at least confirm the kill on Zouken and get our house in order.
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>>4373915
>>4373935
support
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>>4373915
>>4373935
Supporting, we don't need her protection and we've already got enough fluff back home.
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>>4373915
Supporting >>4373935 since the only place we can keep her right now is Garan no Dou.
And the last thing anyone interesting in us should be aware of is our relationship with Touko.
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>>4373935
Support, but when you mean take care of, do you mean when we kill Zouken or after the war?
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>>4374318
some point after killing Zouken when we have taken full control over the manor and have all our shit in order, ideally.
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>"Although I appreciate the offer, bringing Giselle back with me at the present time would likely raise suspicion, and could jeopardize our alliance. When things have been taken care of I would be happy to accept her."
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>>4373915
>>4373935
Support


Also- how do we learn so much about acht I read stay night and HA and know nothing about him
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>>4373915
>>Accept Giselle and have her come back with you to Fuyuki.
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>>4373935
Supporting
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>>4373935
+1
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>>4373935
Killjoy
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"Although I appreciate the offer, bringing Giselle back with me at the present time would likely raise suspicion, and could jeopardize our alliance. When things have been taken care of I would be happy to accept her." You can't accept Giselle right now, suddenly walking about with an Einzbern homunculus accompanying you would not only bring a lot of unwanted attention towards yourself in public whenever you had Giselle accompany you, but would also completely end your deception if you actually had her act as your maid. Not only that, but Zouken would definitely take notice if an Einzbern homunculus started walking around town with you, and that could only lead to disastrous consequences at the hands of Zouken for practically everyone you know who lives in Fuyuki. Except Touko. You're pretty certain that if Zouken tried to mess with her he'd quickly find himself dying for real, no matter what method he might try to use to survive. After all, you're fairly certain that Prelati is a far more talented magus than Zouken, and with a far greater method of not dying after being killed too.

"Oh, and when exactly do you expect that will be?" Acht pries into your affairs a little. You suppose it's to be expected though. If you were in Acht's position, you would probably want to have at least some way to ensure that somebody you've agreed to an alliance with wasn't planning on betraying you. Giselle is actually an excellent way for him to ensure that your offer has been made in good faith. But the fact is you did lie about your inability to use magecraft... If Giselle properly monitors what you get up to, you might not be able to conceal your magecraft practice with Touko from her like you have from Zouken.

"I'm not entirely certain if I will be able to successfully end my ancestor's life before the grail war, if I'm to be honest. I simply want to have the certainty offered by the overwhelming power of a Servant before I make my move to end his life, if I don't succeed then I could very well end up being killed." You look Acht directly in the eyes. "I am not a man who likes to take chances. I hate uncertainty. Everything I do when it comes to achieving my goals has been calculated to at least some degree. So I would have to request that Giselle not be given to me at least until the beginning of the grail war." At that point, you should have Rider at your side if Sakura ends up summoning a Servant, and if not, then your own Servant should have more than enough magical energy to defend you in a fighting retreat if things all fall apart. Still, you feel bad when Giselle looks a little upset that she won't be going with you. You don't really know why, either. Shouldn't she be happy about being able to continue serving the Einzbern here? While you don't agree with her thought processes, you know that she shouldn't be upset about not being able to leave the Einzbern's land.
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"Very well. I can understand your reluctance to take Giselle with you, but she will still be going to Fuyuki." Acht is really quite insistent isn't he? Does he really not trust you? Not that you can really blame him for wanting to be certain of the authenticity of the offer.

"I... I will be?" Giselle sounds surprised, clearly this wasn't discussed with her before this offer was made to you. In fact, you don't even know if it was discussed with her at all.

"That is correct, Giselle. You will be observing the situation in Fuyuki as well as getting the castle there into a livable state for Illyasviel after nearly a decade of our absence from it." So that's his plan is it? He still has his spy in the city to observe you, but you just don't get to know when it is that you're being observed? A clever idea he's had, but it just means you'll need to start being even more observant from now on. Hopefully Giselle isn't too persistent in her pursuit of you, otherwise you really won't be able to keep your magical ability hidden... Maybe you can convince her not to follow you? Though you aren't sure if you'll be able to get somebody literally created with obedience as one of the core aspects of their being to go against the orders of their master. "Oh, and should you notice if young Master Makiri requires your assistance in any manner, please aid him." Acht turns to you with a smile on his face, the smile of a man who knows he's getting his own way "You don't have objections to this, I take?"

"No... it's... fine. Just so long as Giselle keeps herself out of sight and doesn't alert Zouken to the presence of the Einzbern in the city, then there will be no issue with her being in Fuyuki. Oh, and you should probably also avoid letting the Second Owner know of her presence. Miss Tohsaka might not be too pleased by the presence of an Einzbern Homunculus within the bounds of her territory." You pause for a moment as you remember that Rin never thought to look into the son of the magus killer himself despite knowing his last name and already having an interest in him thanks to seeing his high-jump. "Then again, I can't really vouch for her competence when it comes to the running of the city under her jurisdiction. She's as young as me, yet is really nowhere near as intelligent, so such inexperience with successfully running her territory is to be expected." You're pretty confident that you could have earned enough to purchase the damn country if you started off with the sort of capital Rin has... well had. Kirei saw to it that her family's immense fortune vanished thanks to his own incompetence with handling her estate.

Acht turns around, speaking one final time before he vanishes deeper into the Einzbern Castle "Well then, best of luck in your preparations, Master Makiri. I have high expectations of you for the war... What a pity that you were born without the ability to use magecraft..." If only you knew, Acht. If only you knew.
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While Acht may have left you to leave of your own accord, Illyasviel is still staring at you, and you give the girl one last apologetic farewell as you truly leave the Einzbern Castle "Goodbye, Illyasviel. I hope to see you again soon." She remains silent as you walk away If the situation allows, you'd like to visit the Einzbern Castle at least twice more before the Grail War truly begins. Once a year at minimum. It is however quite irritating that you never got any information on what might've happened to Kiritsugu, but you suppose that now that Giselle is going to be in Fuyuki, it might be possible to glean the information from her.

It's a long walk back to the village, you're only thankful that you've got more than enough money to hire a cab to take you back to the airport... But now that the reality of returning to Japan is on the table, you should probably think of how to go about your return to the country. You know that you only have a few days at most before Zouken attempts to have you sleep with Sakura due to the crest worms that will eat her alive from the inside out if they aren't sated with magical energy.

>Accept that you're going to have to sleep with Sakura in order to save her when you're ready.
>Kill Zouken. Save Sakura. (Write-in plan only.)
>Write-in...
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>>4374639
Sleep with her
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>>4374639
>Kill Zouken. Save Sakura. (Write-in plan only.)
Get Grey to charge up Avalon, place it inside Sakura and forcibly rip out the crest worm out of her heart
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wait what are the limits of Avalon? Can it, say, regenerate a lost limb or something like that?
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>>4374639
>>Kill Zouken. Save Sakura. (Write-in plan only.)
Use truth to create a sword that can only cut it's target and will pass through anything else. Set it's target to Zouken and then stab Sakura through the heart with it, preferably by surprise so Zouken doesn't see it coming. It should kill the heart worm, but leave Sakura unharmed.
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Can Gray kill Zouken with Rhongomyniad in one go if she gets a jump on him?
She should be proficient enough to do so right now with our help.
Main problem is that it will get Gil on her ass right after.
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shirous high jump didnt happen cause we saved kerry right?
If anyone can think of a good plan to kill zouken I will support it. I am not confident in anything I can come up with and I don't want to have sex until 30 because that's when we turn from a mage to a wizard
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>>4374661
it doesn't matter, Zouken can survive as long as the crest worm is alive and that's in Sakura's heart right now, it makes things both easier and harder since killing the crest worm kills Zouken but we need to get into Sakura's heart to go through with it
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>>4374666
Apparently it did because Rin looks at him different now and we can have sex now if we want, Sakura is lowkey obsessed with us
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>>4374639
>Accept that you're going to have to sleep with Sakura in order to save her when you're ready.
Sometimes you just have to face the facts.
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>>4374670
interesting. It's not about sakura it's about getting wizard powers.
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>>4374677
I mean we can easily change, I think we should now actually, Rin should be a good Magus at this point and we really need to fix Sakura and Rin's relationship. Plus, Rin was sure she can beat Zouken, if we team up and tell her his weaknesses, we can absolutely kill him
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>>4374639
First, we need to know exactly where Zouken will be. He's a fucking hermit, there are probably only 4 places in the house he frequents, so we find the one that's the easiest to get into. Once we have that we use our connection to the Fujimura group to get a bunch of explosives and plant them in the set location. The night we execute the plan, we do what >>4374658 suggests and cut out the worms from Sakura's body with a truth blade while she's sleeping, as to not alert the heart worm, while simultaneously detonating the bomb. The explosion and the destruction of the crest worms need to be timed perfectly. If we get rid of the worms in Sakura tp early then we will alert Zouken that somebody is fucking with her. If we wait too long after Zouken is dead, he'll regenerate.
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>>4374639
>Kill Zouken
>Drug Sakura, rip out her heart and heal it with Avalon.
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>>4374670
Still want to fuck Sakura, but not when she's got worms.
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>>4374685
hell yeah, my fucking plan is supported by someone else

>>4374689
same, like, I don't wanna be coerced and forced into sleeping with someone, I think if this plan works and we kill Zouken, we should try to sleep with her
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>>4374639
>Kill Zouken. Save Sakura. (Use Truth Manipulation to change an ordinary knife into one that will only cut Crest Worms and go to town on Sakura while she sleeps. Pay Monica to distract Zouken while we do it.)
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>>4374700
And by "only cut Crest worms", I mean one that will pass through all other matter and only cut the worms.
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>>4374639
>>Kill Zouken. Save Sakura. (Write-in plan only.)
I'm not good at plans so I'll support whatever the majority votes for if this wins (which looks like it will).
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>>4374639
If we're trying to remove the worm we should try weakening it first with antihelmintics. Praziquantel, Nitazoxanide kill roundworms and blood flukes and should be somewhat effective against crest worms. Additional drugs we could try are Monepantel and Derquantel due to their use in treating parasitic infections with worms resistant to other antiparastitics. These will probably cause Sakura to be ill so we'll need Grey and avalon on standby to remedy their effects and for when we finally rip out the damn worm. I hope while we're at it and stealing these drugs we steal anesthetics and surgical equipment so we can do this whole worm removal properly. Probably would be best to find and hypnotize a cardiologist to do a checkup on Sakura afterwards to make sure avalon did it's job and healed any damage done afterwards.
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>>4374719
so we start the grail war, take cu to the vet for heartworm medication then use it on sakura. Got it.
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>>4374724
Really we should just fuck Sakura and build up the meds and resources over time. When the time comes slip some fentanyl in her tea or whatever we need to sedate her then we start the surgical bullshit.
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Reminder that
>While you could theoretically rid Sakura of the crest worms now with Avalon, you don't actually have a way to kill Zouken that you are confident would work, and he might just kill Sakura out of spite or somehow reject Avalon from entering her body.
So, we really REALLY need to both Kill Zouken AND remove the worms from Sakura in order for this whole thing to work. Also, any use of Avalon probably isn't viable.
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>>4374730
in hollow atraxia zouken has a maid that helps him get out of bed to go piss so why don't we just give im a ton of laxatives after a particularly fatty meal
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>>4374639
>Kill Zouken. Save Sakura. (Write-in plan only.)
My keikaku juices are low for the moment being, I'll support any plan that has majority support.
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Couldn't we just take Sakura and run after getting the worms out of her?
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>>4374813
No, Zouken needs to die.
I'm sure we could lie and say that our fists are anti-worm or something.
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>>4374818
Do we need to kill him right now though? Why not wait until we have our servant?
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>>4374823
Because as soon as he finds out he's missing the thing that's keeping him from dying then we're fucked. So we need to get rid of that worm, call in all our contacts that can fight and dog pile the fucker.
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Can't we just summon servant now?
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>>4374639
Drug Sakura, conjure Truth blade to kill worms only, start hacking and slashing from heart as much as possible everywhere on and in Sakura. Use of Monica or Fujimura group to distract Zouken could also be a viable option in addition, though Zouken might be able to use the worms to remotely awaken Sakura to get her to safety and protect the core worm.

Does destroying core worm instantly kill Zouken, or can he regen that too?
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>>4374639
Ethics aside I doubt even Zouken's disinterest will hide us for long now. He needs to be put down but I'm the first to admit I'm kind of blanking on how.
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I wanna save Sakura! But I have no idea how we could do so. The truth blade thing might work, but then who all do we have on our side to help with fighting Zouken? Monica, maybe Waver, but anyone else? Shirou isn't strong enough I think, but could be convinced to help us. Kiritsugu is missing so he's out. Our sensei wants us to succeed without her help...
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>>4374853
It's the core of his soul, with it gone he will eventually die, but he can still muster himself together as long as his body is alive.
Killing both at once will leave him struggling to reform himself, a state that could end instantly if he saw an Einzbern Homunculus and remembers his purpose so he can pass on, otherwise he'll be stuck clinging to life by a thread constantly reforming his body with the blueprint of his old soul.

I'm not sure we should drug Sakura, Zouken watches everything she does and us drugging her is pretty suspicious.
Truth blade to kill the worms sounds like a neat idea, but their corpses would be left inside Sakura.
I don't know if Zouken can reform them afterward, but iirc the ones in Sakura's womb have fused with her body and require a surgery to remove, just killing them should cause her severe internal damage, if it's the same situation with her heart then killing the worm would kill Sakura as well.

We only have a few days here, and calling up Gray could take too long, so Avalon would still be sealed inside Shirou.

What if we manipulate the truth of Sakura's body to be one that can't die, then extract all the worms and heal her wounds afterwards?
Or manifest a tool to extract the worms from Sakura, maybe like a suction device, then heal her once they're out?
Zouken won't be able to force her compliance if he has no worms in her to control, and after we've extracted them we could use a weapon that "Absolutely kills all entities soul-linked to this one." on the core worm, and I think Zouken would instantly die, though my wording on exactly what type of truth would kill all the worms linked to the core worm that are under Zouken's control might be a tad odd.
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>>4374639
>>Accept that you're going to have to sleep with Sakura in order to save her when you're ready.
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Though better than the sword and hoping we kill all the worms, some kind of spell that goes through her entire body and harms only the worms would be ideal. Don't want a surviving non heart worm to start tearing everything up inside her because we missed one and Zouken is petty.
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>>4374915
>>4374921
Building on this idea, the extraction tool could effect Sakura's entire body at once, and remove all the worms.
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>>4374915
Ah shit so we gotta be 100% able to extract them than just kill them. Fuck.

If we can make it so she isn't in pain during the whole 'magic her from dying and just rip out all the worms' bit then I'm game, but otherwise we should try to find another method of removing them, or at least ensure we do so with very precise movements so no unnecessary pain is caused.
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>>4374924
Is there a tool used to remove a crest worm we can truth into being able to remove all crest worms? I'm super out of my depth in knowledge of the requirement and resources behind crest worm removal. If we could just pull the crest worms out of her all at once like we pulled Avalon out of Shirou, that'd be great.
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>>4374927
I can't think of any such tool from the top of my head, but truth manifestation does exist to perform feats that would otherwise be impossible, so if we can imagine it, we should be able to create it, mana cost aside.
That makes me think we should learn how to store our mana outside our body, since our spells are so costly having ways to bolster our truth spells without draining ourselves sounds like a really good thing to do.
Digression aside, if we don't use such a tool to remove them, with our current skill level I don't think we can remove the crest worms since they'd require a more specialized skillset like removing magic crests or spiritual surgery, since we're dealing with something that binds to the body rather than something that can be dissolved into and removed from you.
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> Run our plan by Touko before we do it. Also, see if we can make a blade that only strikes it’s true target - even through walls. Alternatively, just use a blade that only strikes magic to see how much we can fuck with the crest worm’s body when we slice it. At the very least, it should remove connections to other worms. It might fuck with Sakura’s circuits. We don’t know for sure if Zouken has used his crest worm yet. Have Avalon on hand in case it goes wrong and to heal Sakura after.
Knock her out or do it at night so that Zouken doesn’t see.
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Could also try and ask Touko for help. She likely has experience with spiritual surgery, and might be willing to help if we tell her about the heart worm.
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>>4374946
This reads like a horrible idea, and why would doing it at night or when Sakura is sleeping stop Zouken from seeing what's going on? We don't even know if he sleeps, and I doubt he does.
We already know we can manifest things to do exactly what we imagine they can, so the experiment in your post seems redundant to me.
A blade that slices through magic would tear up Sakura's Magic Circuits, and possibly her soul as well, but even if they're killed if she's healed afterward with the corpses still inside her body there's always the risk that the worms will be healed with her, especially since they've fused with her body.
Avalon may or may not be usable depending on whether Gray is available for the next few days, which is something we don't know at the moment so making any plans for it seems hasty.

>>4374962
Touko declared she wouldn't save Sakura, if we want to do it we're doing it without her.
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>>4374972
>>4374949
Oops, linked to the wrong post.
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Kill Zouken, THEN sleep with Sakura
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>>4375030
Stay away Taiga, we're trying to kill a 500 year old cluster of worms here.
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>>4374949
+1 I want a second opinion before we go through with a plan.

>>4374639
cancel my vote in >>4374853 then
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>>4375030
Gao.
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>>4375030
don't worry, you'll get laid one day Taiga!
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Is sex winning?
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>>4374639
>Kill Zouken. Save Sakura. (Write-in plan only.)
Create an extraction tool that will always extract its target without fail, and only effect the worms and not Sakura, maybe some kind of syringe, and remove the worms from Sakura's body starting with the heart worm.
Create a weapon that will kill all the worms at once using the core worm as the initial target, and stab Zouken's core with it.

Not confident this will get support, but it's my best idea for now.

>>4375063
Killing Zouken is, but it's decently split up.
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>>4375030
we're gonna die aren't we?
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>>4374972
This fic never mentioned that this was a thing that was possible with truth magic - it probably is, but we haven’t trained for it. Truth seems to separate possible from impossible. It can certainly make a blade that cuts only magic, but we haven’t made one that only cuts a specific target.

As for doing it at night - it doesn’t matter if Zouken stays awake. What matters is that Sakura is unconscious and that therefore her nervous system is nonfunctional. If she can’t see us, Zouken can’t either is the logic. We can’t make her unconscious during the day, or Zouken will see something is suspicious and might wake her up. If she’s unconscious at night, it’s expected and gives us an opportunity to act until we start killing the worms
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>>4375063
We can sex after we kill Zouken. Celebratory sex.
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>>4375077
Personally I don't see a distinction between only cutting magic and only cutting a specific target, if one is possible the other should be too, when using Truth of course.

Given that Zouken's worm is himself, he should retain all awareness of the surroundings even if Sakura is incapacitated, it would be a massive oversight on his observational capability otherwise.
Not sure where the idea that he only sees things through Sakura's eyes only came from, was it mentioned anywhere in the VN? I don't remember that.
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Because Truth separates possible from impossible. While it can cut “impossible” things like magic, it might not be able to cut possible things without cutting other possible things. Here, I’m interpreting “possible” as physical / mundane.
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>>4375095
But we determine what's possible and impossible, so if we tune it so it will only effect a certain thing it will only effect that specific thing.
As long as you can rationalize it properly you should be able to come up with a solution that will function for the purpose you intend it to.
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>>4375093
I mean, this is under the assumption that all it does is monitors the state of it’s host. Zouken’s consciousness always seems to be elsewhere. It could probably tell if Sakura was feeling nervous or something by monitoring her vitals, and alert Zouken so that he can check on her, but having Shinji, who is expected, go up to her as if nothing is wrong while she’s sleeping and unaware of him and stab her in the heart without her realizing he’s about to has a much better chance of Zouken not paying enough attention to notice until the heart worm is dead. Mainly, it seems the worms don’t have eyes: the only way they could see is through touch and smell, or transforming themselves / using the senses of another person.
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>>4375099
Do we? Don’t think it’s ever been specifically stated whether this is how our powers work.At the very least, have to confirm with QM if it is.
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>>4375101
In HF Sakura pulls out the heart worm and has a dialogue with Zouken, I'm pretty sure he can see plenty while in there.
It's also due to the worms in Sakura that Zouken was aware of her feelings towards Shirou, which he used to manipulate her.

>>4375103
>Truth abhors impossibility and as such constructs created of it can reject that which shouldn't be possible.
>Truth manipulation allows Shinji to take an already existing concept or 'truth' of an object and manipulate it as he wishes.
Pretty sure that means if we have enough mana and a vivid imagination that we can create things that perform feats that would otherwise seem impossible.
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Yes, and again “that which shouldn’t be possible” is way too vague. It’s like it’s specifically created so that the QM can control what we actually do with it.
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>>4375123
How is that vague?
"That which shouldn't be possible" is incredibly simple.
If the concept that the construct comes into contact with isn't something that can co-exist, like a sword that can cut through anything meeting with a shield that is unbreakable, the one made out of truth would win the clash because it's truth.
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Also, from your example of Sakura pulling out the worm, all we know is that they can hear. Sakura pulled the worm out, so they might not even be able to hear anything outside of her. This makes sense, since worms can feel vibrations. The closest thing worms have to eyes though are light receptors. While these can probably combined from several worms into eyes, I’m guessing that they can’t see out when they’re in an enclosed space, such as a heart - only hear. Besides, not being able to see what their host doesn’t isn’t much of a weakness - that’s what bounded fields are for, to alert the creators. Fortunately, we already have access to the bounded fields of the house.
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>>4375125
How is that “that which shouldn’t be possible”? It seems like you’re coming up with your definition of the term, which wasn’t explained very clearly either here or in canon.
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>>4374639
Accept your fate
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>>4375134
Touko explained it that way though?
A sword made out of truth that can cut things that are impossible to cut would cut a shield that is unbreakable.
Likewise a shield made out of truth that can withstand blows from anything unscathed will survive any attack.
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>>4374639
>>4375065
Supporting this.
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>>4375134
>>4375138
The fact that we don't know for sure what a truth construction can or can not do at this point after having done all this research and having the means to create one is weird.
Is all the knowledge we know about truth hypothetical? Has Shinji never once tried actually using his first or second unique magecraft on anything to test out its limitations? That seems like a huge oversight if not.

>>4375030
Hey, explain what you meant by this!
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Yes, but who decides what is possible and what isn’t? Sure, noble phantasms and magic are fairly clear cut examples, but what about magic circuits? Can we cut impossible worms without also cutting impossible magic circuits?
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Shinji knows, but QM never went into detail as to the extent we can use it for.
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>>4375156
Nasu does?
Shinji decides what's possible by using his magic, but other than that the universe should run on the previous physics that have already been established.

If we create a sword that can only cut through magic it won't be able to cut through anything else, likewise for a knife that can only cut through Zouken, it wouldn't be able to reach him through Sakura.

And so I suggest removing the worms instead of trying to kill him while they're inside her.
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lookin like we're gonna kill Zouken, I wanna ask the good anons though, do you wanna seal the deal with Sakura if we do kill Zouken?
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>>4374639
Kill Zouken

Supporting any plan.
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>>4375165
Liberation celebration sex sounds fine to me.
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>>4374639
We need that sex
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>>4374639
>>Kill Zouken. Save Sakura. (Write-in plan only.)
any already proposed plan
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>>4375065
I want to append my vote by removing the part about the tool only effecting the worms, just it extracting without fail is enough.
Also to heal her whenever we take out one of the worms.
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>>4375165
Only reason to touch Sakura is if it's saving her life. If we kill Zouken, we should get her used to living without us.
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>>4375189
how do we do that though, do we just make her live with Shirou or Rin and only visit a few times a month?
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>>4375165
Sakura is for head pats and cuddling.
Illya is for head pats, cuddling and degenerate sex
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>>4375196
I'm with you on the first 2 things for Illya, I however, cannot support the last one, sorry anon
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>>4375192
It doesn't have to be that extreme. Just never take our relationship beyond brother and sister and gradually get more distant over time. We've already made sure she knows how to socialize with other people; it's just that right now she doesn't want to. If Zouken is taken out of her life now, I think she'll gradually adjust to us not being the center of her life over the next several years.
>>4375196
My man!
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>>4375196
>degenerate
I think you mean based anon.
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On the topic of what you can and cannot use Truth to accomplish...
I'll say if there's anything in a proposed plan that Shinji thinks wouldn't be possible with his current knowledge of his magecraft.
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>>4375199
>We've already made sure she knows how to socialize with other people
We actually never did that.
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>>4375202
We had her hang out with Shirou in one or two of the timeskips and it seemed like she could act normal. They weren't that into each other, but I think we'd have noticed if she totally shut him out and refused to speak to anyone but us. That's what I remember reading anyway. Am I wrong?
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>>4375165
Sounds good to me.
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>>4375204
>We had her hang out with Shirou in one or two of the timeskips and it seemed like she could act normal.
Yeah, but we never taught her to socialize, or seen her socialize on her own with anyone. She talks to Shirou because we talk to Shirou and while she isn't a complete shut-in she won't speak and interact with people without our prompting.
The only thing Shinji has done is tried to make her get along with Shirou as a friend, but he hasn't gone out of his way to teach her to be more social or confident, something I really REALLY think we need to do.
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>>4375211
Well if we do kill Zouken then we make her live with Rin (making Rin owe us a favor and fixing their relationship) as well as making her visit Shirou so he wakes up cause clocks are degenerate while we visit her every once in a while cause we're 16 now, FSN and Tsukihime are happening in 2 years and we need to spend all our time prepping now. Ween her off of being codependent on us and instead rely on her big sister and our best bro.
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>>4375215
>Ween her off of being codependent on us and instead rely on her big sister and our best bro.
Why would we want Sakura to be dependent on anyone? Whether it be Shinji, Shirou, or Rin, why not try and make her a happy independent person while we can?
I don't know what's so hard to get about that. We have turbo charisma, just teach the poor girl to be better at socializing.
How fucking callous can you be to simply dump her on someone else without giving her the tools to be happy on her own?
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>>4375235
Because she's codependent on us, making her friends with Shirou and Rin will show her that there's more to the world than just us. She's not gonna be able to hangout and have a good social life if she's only gonna focus on us even if we try to make her more extroverted, doubly so when she views us as her savior
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You guys realize that psychological dependencies aren't something you can just wave a wand and fix, right? I know simple solutions to complex problems sound good, but they just don't work.

Keeping her forcibly away generally leads to depression, self destructive behavior, worsening of her dependency and has a possibility of suicide. If you want to fix it then you need to invest a lot of time in her, talking about her problems and supporting her in becoming more independent.
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>>4375244
anon we're about to face off against vampires and historical figures and a big dog, Sakura is great and all and we should help her with her mental health but time is of the essence and we have a massive workload
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>>4375251
Shinji's goal is to make those he cares about happy, sidelining Sakura is incredibly opposed to that goal.
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>>4375236
And you think simply dumping her off with Rin is the solution? That she won't continue to view us as her savior and be emotionally dependent on us if we just slowly abandon her?
The only way to help her is to take responsibility and actually help her with her problems! Simply pawning her of with others, no matter who those others are, will help.
Shinji with his charisma and knowledge of psychology is the only person equipped to help her besides a magic therapist.
We should have BEEN doing this since she was young, but instead we decided to do shit like start a futile relationship with Rin and send Sakura to Shirou's house to try and get her attached to him, and it's infuriating.
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>>4375254
I think turning into Altrouge's pet is also opposed to the goal of making Sakura happy too
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>>4375251
This. We can't make anyone happy as a corpse.
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>>4375251
Then don't try to sell the idea as helping Sakura, because it won't.
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>>4375244
>>4375257
Basically these.
We can't expect to simply send Sakura off with others and fix her problems. We need to take the time to actually fix these things, and we have plenty of time to do it.
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>>4375257
Sakura developing meaningful connections with people besides Shinji or Shirou makes them very easy targets to erode Sakura's will to resist Zouken.
I have no clue why people tried to go for developing a relationship with Rin instead of Sakura though, that makes so little sense to me.

>>4375258
>>4375260
You make it sound like doing both is impossible.
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>>4375269
I never said we should forget the girl exists; I just don't think she should be a top priority or a romantic target. What we do about her, so long as we don't start making her our main focus, I don't really care.
Moving her to Shirou or Rin's house does seem like asking for trouble though.
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look, my hopes for the future are
>kill zouken
>kill kirei
>kill gilgamesh
>give sakura control and her life back
>save illya and give her a better life
>have at least one child with one waifu
>survive holy grail war keeping our servant from disappearing
>reveal the isekai fictional truth to at least one character
>do at least one canon shinji madman laugh and one maximum arrogance bravado stint
>make shishou proud
>help shirou out by overcoming his survivor's guilt and getting him power over his issues
>help taiga and kiritsugu by getting the latter to knock up the former and get hitched together
>help waver and monica out in whatever way is nice
>help tsukihime cast (especially Satsuki) out in whatever way is nice
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I genuinely have no idea how to count this vote, by the way.
From the looks of it, attempting to save Sakura is winning, but there's no actual clear majority for a plan that I can see.
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>>4375277
We should have a second vote with the Truth Sword and Avalon as the choices for how to save her
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>>4375277
Just have sex with sakura and find a way to kill zouken
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>>4375277
What about making a sub-vote listing the plans and how Shinji feels about them before a final confirmation vote?
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>>4375277
It seems the plans can be filed into a few different camps.
>Avalon plans
>Truth tool extraction plans
>Distract Zouken and do one of the above plans.
Might need to consolidate the plans that are the most similar and make another vote. For example, there isn't much difference between cutting the worms with a Truth Knife and using some other Truth Tool to remove the worms and then destroy them, so those can be under one roof.
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>>4375277
I prefer >>4375284 because I like it when votes and anon discussions directly affect quest protags and their feelings/opinions from moment to moment
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>>4375165
I mean, she's not actually our sister, so it's totally fine!
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>>4375165
Either Illya, Sakura, a female Servant, or Satsuki. Rin is in a bin for the rest of the quest's forseeable future.
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>>4375277
>>4375284
Supporting.
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>>4375277
>>4375284
yeah we should do this then
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>>4375277
>>4375284
support
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>>4375277
>>4375284
This.
Since Shinji has knowledge we don't, a scene of him thinking out all of the plans made so far and going through the pros and cons of each is only fair.
Can't expect us to make a meaningful decision without having all the information after all.
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>>4374639
Free sex
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>>4374639
We need it
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>>4375277
>>4375284
Supporting.
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>>4375284
>>4375277

this works
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>>4374639
Sex
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>>4375328
>>4375334
>>4375354
Anon, really?
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>>4375357
He's a coomer. He's too far gone.
But he has a point and we should totally do that after we save her.
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>>4375357
Who?
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>>4375185
>>4375328
>>4375334
>>4375354
Please coom before voting samefag.
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>>4375359
Nah. Saving her is the only reason to even consider it.
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>>4375328
>>4375334
>>4375354

Anon please go jack off and then come back, we are all very disappointed in you
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>>4375328
>>4375334
>>4375354
Anon, I promise you I will side with you on having sex with Sakura if you quit samefagging
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>>4375362
Having actual loving sex with someone she admires would help her self-esteem immensely.
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>>4375370
Might also make her possessive and lock you out of romance from other girls so yk, think about it
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>>4375370
It could also make her massively codependent and confused about her feelings, you don't need to justify your coomposting, but I feel that saving Sakura only to immediately ask for sex would be out of character to say the least.
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>>4374639
Sex is the goal
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On one hand I feel like each of the plans so far make too many assumptions about what we're actually capable of and are fundamentally missing something to actually work, on the other coomers are goddamn annoying and I refuse to be the only one voting for 'that' who even attempts to make an argument for it beyond 'free sex'.
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>>4375388
For what it's worth, I'm voting for it because I think we have a 0% chance of killing Zouken.
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>>4375354
>>4375334
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>>4375377
You realize codependency means two people are (emotionally) dependent on each other? If it is just one person that is a simple emotional dependency.

Also while there is no guarantee it won't make things worse, the most likely outcome is that it will make her happy. Yeah, the problem isn't solved, but on its own it shouldn't make it worse.
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I enjoy our arguments of how to deal with an emotionally unstable girl
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Going back over all of the plans we got

>>4374653
>Use Avalon on Sakura and rip out the worms.
>>4374658
>Create truth sword to kill the heart worm.
>>4374684
>Plant explosives in a room in the Manor and blow them up while cutting out all the worms in Sakura's body with a truth knife.
>>4374685
>Drug Sakura first, then Use Avalon to rip out the worms.
>>4374700
>Pay Monica to attack Zouken while we cut out Sakura's worms with a truth knife.
>>4374715
>A vote for whatever's popular
>>4374719
>Use the time we have to use normie drugs to weaken the magic worms, then use Avalon to rip them out.
>>4374777
>A vote for whatever's popular
>>4374921
>Use what time we have to make a spell that only harms the worms and use it on Sakura.
>>4374949
>Tell Touko that we plan on killing Zouken and run our plans by her first. Make a truth blade to cut out the worms, have Avalon handy just in case.
>>4375065
>>4375188
Create an extraction tool that will always extract its target without fail. Then create a weapon that will kill all the worms at once using the core worm as the initial target, and stab Zouken's core with it.
>>4375178
Support for any plan
>>4375186
Support for any plan
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>>4375384
The red indicates what's currently operating for you
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>>4375399
>You realize codependency means two people are (emotionally) dependent on each other?

not true, google it coomer.

Also the only one who knows what effect dicking sakura after she has been violated for years will have on her is QM, maybe she will freak the fuck out and BAD END us, we can't know.
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>>4374639
Sexy
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>>4375390
That too but more Importantly for me stuff like 'truth blades that only harm what we're targeting and tool creation' sound like deus ex machina's if they actually work when we time skipped over each of our training sessions to get to the more important bits nor established were even capable of them, and we spent years keeping people out of our affairs, suddenly deciding to do a 180 and bring in the people we'd need to go with the avalon plan assuming they don't somehow manage to reject it.
Even then only reason I haven't voted (besides coomers) is sexing Sakura sounds like it'd be a bad idea that blows the lid on just how much magical energy we actually have.
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>>4375403
I stand corrected. Apparently there is no accepted definition of the term and it has been used to describe widely different dynamics at times.
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>>4375403
she only killed Shinji when he threatened to tell Shirou that he's been raping her for years, at worst she wouldn't be into it at all
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>>4374639
We have to do what w have to do
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I know the samefagging is painfully obvious now, but maybe QM could consider not counting 1 post ID's from votes for a while or something to try and mitigate it
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>>4375413
Then what about the leaving Kiritsugu on his one man mission vote? One post ID's are just as acceptable unfortunately.
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>>4375400
It seems less like an argument on how to help her, and more like an argument on if we should even bother trying, which is baffling to me.
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>>4375413
I'm still fucking mad about the abandon Kerry vote

>>4375415
I'm gonna be honest, I have no idea how to deal with a mentally unstable girl, I didn't actually think things through when we were talking about killing Zouken
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>>4375414
Like 4 of us called out samefagging but QM let the vote go through
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>>4375413
Agreed, that or only count from single post ids who actually explain their votes in more than a single short sentence or respond to questioning, samefagging quickly becomes obvious the more they have to talk.
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>>4375422
There's no way to tell a samefagger from a mobileposter or a lurker.
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>>4374639
Do it! She wants us
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>>4375425
this is like the 4th time samefagging has been obvious though
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No. You won't let Sakura suffer any more than she already has. It's enough that you allowed her to suffer for just as long as she has already, but you don't think you can let yourself allow the girl to spend a single moment more suffering. No. You're going to go back to Fuyuki City, and you're going to kill that bastard Zouken once and for all.

But the only question is... how? The first thing that comes to mind is Avalon. You could take a trip to London before returning to Japan and ask Waver if you can borrow his Saberface. Then you can hopefully extract the worms from Sakura using relatively mundane methods, physically removing the worms through actual surgery. You obviously haven't ever been given the opportunity to magically analyze anything about Sakura's body, so while you're somewhat confident that you could operate on Sakura and rid her of the crest worms, you don't know if she'll be able to survive the process, even with something as potent as Avalon healing her. The fact that some of the crest worms have likely actually melded with her body entirely means that Avalon might not have the intended effect at all. Things would be dire indeed if the regenerative magic of Avalon simply restored the crest worms as well as any parts of Sakura's body that would have to be damaged to complete the operation. But... You don't actually know if that's what would happen. That's just a worst case scenario, after all.

You aren't going to rule Avalon out just yet, but what else can you do? An idea springs up of using your ability to manifest a blade of Truth that would only be able to cut through crest worms and would harmlessly pass through anything else like some ethereal blade of a spirit. Though you had best hope that using Truth to form some sort of construct to kill Zouken once and for all would truly work. You know from practice with the element that manifesting something like that for even a few seconds is enough to force your body into an unresponsive state for hours. Perhaps not a sword though, you wouldn't want to leave the crest worms corpses in Sakura's body. A flame which only burns the worms within Sakura might work though... Then of course, while it's a true last resort you know that Kirei can remove the majority of the worms and was only prevented from taking out the heart worm due to it requiring the extraction of Sakura's heart. But going to that fake priest and asking him to do anything for you is just ridiculous, your only real hope of him actually agreeing to the procedure is if he believed Sakura would truly die as a result of the operation and basically tricking him through putting Avalon inside Sakura before asking him to remove the worms from Sakura. Though you feel like trying to trick Kirei like that is beyond playing with fire.
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The actual procedure of removing the worms isn't all that you'll need to do either. You can't just remove the worms from Sakura's body and hope for the best. You'll also need to ensure that Zouken's body is totally destroyed somehow at almost the exact same time that you extract the heart worm from Sakura. It's going to be a challenge, but there are a few things you can do to ensure his obliteration. The first idea that comes to mind is hiring the ever trustworthy Monica to incinerate him with her electricity like she did to that vampire, Cornelius. Then again, you could also try to use your connections to the Yakuza to buy enough explosives to blow both Zouken and the Matou mansion straight to hell. That way you would have the added benefit of being able to choose the exact moment Zouken would die. Then of course, if you're going to get Gray involved in things by asking her to help use Avalon, you could see if she would agree to helping kill Zouken. Seeing as Zouken is basically a wraith, Gray might not even need to use her Noble Phantasm to destroy him. She does specialize in dealing with evil spirits, and Add is also an anti-spirit weapon.

Then your last option for destroying Zouken is going to Kirei and revealing what he's up to. You're also pretty certain that if you could track her down, Ciel would be more than happy to kill Zouken for you, but really, you don't know if it's a good idea to try to get the Church involved in your plans at all.

No matter what it is that you end up deciding to go with though, you'll confirm your intentions with Touko before you actually go through with your plan. If there are any possible problems with your plan, you have no doubt that the incredibly intelligent woman would be able pick up on them and give you a solution as to how to remove those faults in your plans.

>Pick one from both
>Save Sakura
>>Use your ability to manifest truth in order to remove the worms from Sakura.
>>Have Avalon heal Sakura while you operate on her.
>>Have Avalon heal Sakura and convince Kirei to operate on Sakura.
>>Write-in...

>Kill Zouken
>>Hire Monica with the orders to kill the old worm once and for all.
>>Buy enough explosives from the Yakuza to give Zouken a real explosive send-off.
>>Ask Gray if she will help you kill Zouken.
>>Get the Church involved and have Zouken face the wrath of God.
>>Write-in...
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>>4375430
Wrote in, fuck her. This had to happen
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>>4375427
I was mobileposting and voted to give up in that vote, so I guess I added to how suspicious it looked, but I think the majority of votes were legit since they had some elaboration and not just "do the sex we need the sex"

Maybe just temporarily have no 1 ID votes for coomvotes or some shit idk
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>>4375435
Fuck you
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>>4375430
I'll say once more, with feeling, that all of these plans are doomed to failure. I can't vote for any of these choices.
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>>4375430
>>Save Sakura
>Use your ability to manifest truth in order to remove the worms from Sakura.

>>Kill Zouken
>Hire Monica with the orders to kill the old worm once and for all.
>Buy enough explosives from the Yakuza to give Zouken a real explosive send-off.
Both should be good. That way when we pass out from the truth blade Monica can protect us.
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>>4375430
>Save Sakura
>>Use your ability to manifest truth in order to remove the worms from Sakura.
I don't know if we necessarily have enough skill to perform surgery and I'd rather not risk Kirei for saving Sakura. We've spent a lot of time on our magic so I think using that would be the best choice of the options.
>Kill Zouken
>>Get the Church involved and have Zouken face the wrath of God.
I'd rather not risk Monica or Gray, and explosives might not even work. Plus why not try and get two enemies to kill each other off?
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>>4375437
Why don't you think these will work, anon?
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>>4375430
>>Have Avalon heal Sakura while you operate on her.

>>Ask Gray if she will help you kill Zouken.
>>Hire Monica with the orders to kill the old worm once and for all.

Avalon seems like it is worth trying, atleast.
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>>4375443
Kirei will definitely notice Avalon and screw us over if we call him in to do the surgery. If we try to use Avalon to heal Sakura and remove the worms the old fashioned way, I'm 99% positive that either we'll miss enough tiny portions of worm that they can survive or kill her accidentally; Avalon can't resurrect the dead, and surgery isn't known as a profession that's easy for beginners to pick up. There's also the logistical problem of Gray. The Truth surgery idea is probably the best, especially the flame, but I'm not at all confident in our ability to make it work effectively. More likely than not we'll pass out partway through the operation and ruin things that way. Also, I have the strong feeling Zouken can survive/escape everything in the kill Zouken section. He didn't live all these years by being an easy mark.
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>>4375430
>Use your ability to manifest truth in order to remove the worms from Sakura.

>Hire Monica and Gray
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>>4375425
Phone poster here, I know I'm human, and when we've got one of these shitting up the thread they can put in a little more effort to show they are too >>4375426
if they want to be taken seriously
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>>4375430
>Save Sakura
>>Use your ability to manifest truth in order to remove the worms from Sakura.

>Kill Zouken
>>Buy enough explosives from the Yakuza to give Zouken a real explosive send-off.
If Zouken can be killed by a missile strike, a bunch of explosions should also work. The church might draw connections between the bombing here and the bombing of Kirei's church, but it's a worthwhile risk to get this cheap shot in on the big worm.
>>Hire Monica with the orders to kill the old worm once and for all.
>>Ask Gray if she will help you kill Zouken.
If we get both we could always have Avalon ready as a backup plan. Contingencies are important for something like this. Also strength in numbers and all that jazz.
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>>4375460
Wait. I thought about it for more than a second and even if we have Avalon ready, if we use truth then Shinji wouldn't be able to do the surgery anyway.
Still having both Monica and Gray there means the likelyhood of either of them getting hurt too bad is lowered.
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>>4375430
>Save Sakura
>>Write-In
Bring Grey and Truth Knife Sakura
>Kill Zouken
>>Buy enough explosives from the Yakuza to give Zouken a real explosive send-off.
Don't wanna lose Monica and don't wanna deal with the Church's bullshit
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>>4375458
Fat fingers, tiny screen quoting someone mid post
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>>4375276
Thought we decided tiger was for waver
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>>4375430
>Save Sakura
>>Use your ability to manifest truth in order to remove the worms from Sakura.

>Kill Zouken
>>Hire Monica with the orders to kill the old worm once and for all.

>>4375438
>>4375444
>>4375450
>>4375460
>Pick one from both
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>>4375472
>Pick one from both
I don't think QM meant that literally.
Most of these kill Zouken plans aren't mutually exclusive.
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>>4375449
Agree mostly, thing i'd like to add with our proficiency I feel we're going to need to use Avalon to have a shot, problem is if the worms outright replaced parts of her internal organs and not just attached to only QM knows of Avalon wouldn't just count those as 'part of her body' and restore them too.
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>>4375474
>Pick one from both doesn't mean pick one from both.
Do we have different comprehensions of the English language?
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>>4375430
>>4375450
>>4375472
If I can't combine options then I'll go with Monica.
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Seriously, I want you all to think about what a nightmare surgery this would be. We're not talking about an animal the size of a rabbit here, something you can stab once and be done with. This is a parasitic worm. It's alive and mobile, it's tiny, and if any part of it is left in Sakura's body it can regrow. Imagine trying to use a scalpel to cut all the veins out of someone's body without leaving any of the tissue there. Now imagine they can move. At best, Avalon or the truth blade will make sure Sakura survives the process. That makes the job only as difficult as surgically removing a large number of worms from a corpse without leaving any part of their bodies behind. It'd still be a nightmare for an experienced surgeon, and we're a complete amateur. That's the scenario where every part of our plan that Shinji thought might fail in this last update works out perfectly. There's a good reason Kirei had to use up a ton of command seals to boost himself enough to remove most of it. The only way this has a chance of working is if we burn them out, and even then I'm pretty sure the magic will drain us enough that we'll pass out working on her. This job just isn't possible at our current level of ability.
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>>4375476
No I can read, but it leaves me asking what the QM means by this.
There's no reason why we shouldn't be able to combine some of these choices to a cohesive plan that works, and since write-in is an option we can pick, then just consider someone picking more than one as a write in to do a combination.
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>>4375485
There would be no point to only picking one if you could just make a write-in that's a combination.
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>>4375481
If we can't even create a girl-sized flame for a few seconds after eight years of training I'll be extremely disappointed.
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>>4375487
Exactly, so QM didn't literally mean pick one. He was just saying to pick a way to save Sakura and Kill Zouken. Not literally one of each, but a method for each.
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>>4375430
>Save Sakura
>>Use your ability to manifest truth in order to remove the worms from Sakura.

>Kill Zouken
>>Get the Church involved and have Zouken face the wrath of God.
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>>4375430
>Save Sakura
>>Use your ability to manifest truth in order to remove the worms from Sakura.

>Kill Zouken
>>Get the Church involved and have Zouken face the wrath of God.
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>>4375430
>Save Sakura
>>Use your ability to manifest truth in order to remove the worms from Sakura.
Field test since we are going with it.
>Kill Zouken
>>Buy enough explosives from the Yakuza to give Zouken a real explosive send-off.
Supreme truth.
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Why are we asking Kirei to do the surgery when we have a person who knows the Human body innately enough to create a bunch of copies for shits and giggles, and is good enough with spiritual surgery to steal magic crest and figure out a way to use it?

Like seriously, if you gonna go full retard on Mahoyo element...
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>>4375695
because Touko told us she wasn't gonna save Sakura the day we met her. She's a shit and wants us to do shit ourselves
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>>4375695
The winning vote currently is to burn Sakura with truth fire, why do you think Kirei will have anything to do with Sakura?
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>>4375697
I understand that as “I’m not gonna do all that shit for you because you asked” but we literally have billions to pay for her service and we’re not asking her to fight Zouken
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>>4375430
>Save Sakura
>>Use your ability to manifest truth in order to remove the worms from Sakura.

So long as we're smart enough to use something that will remove the worms entirely and not just kill them. Don't want their remains inside of her either.

>Kill Zouken
>>Hire Monica with the orders to kill the old worm once and for all.
>>Buy enough explosives from the Yakuza to give Zouken a real explosive send-off.

Both honestly? Set up a trap and have Monica on call so that if he doesn't die from it she's there to finish him off.
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Hol up, do we know what Ryougi is up to nowadays? She should be able to poke the worm dot and avoid everything else
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This is a little off topic to the matter at hand, but I really can't wait for the servants.
I hope you're looking forward to them.
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>>4375793
I am massively hyped for the war and servants
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>>4375793
I MUST ROLL THAT GACHA (bank account dwindling)
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>>4375793
Cant wait.
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>>4375793
Gentleman we are going to have a splendid little grail war
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Can’t we just give Avalon to Sakura, make sure it’s working, then nuke her along with the house? Probably less pain that she normally goes through
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>>4375849
Might kill her
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>Have sex with Sakura anyway???
>>4375432

Save Sakura

>Truth Operation
>>4375438
>>4375440
>>4375450
>>4375460
>>4375472
>>4375527
>>4375610
>>4375673

>Avalon Operation
>>4375444

>Bring Gray and Truth Knife Sakura
>>4375465

Kill Zouken

>Hire Monica.
>>4375472

>Magnetism and Combustion.
>>4375438
>>4375707

>Call the priest.
>>4375440
>>4375527
>>4375610

>Monica and Gray team-up
>>4375444
>>4375450

>Explosions, Monica and Gray
>>4375460

>Boom
>>4375465
>>4375673

I believe the vote currently stands as using Truth to attempt to rid Sakura of the Crestworms as well as trying to get Church Assistance to get rid of Zouken

Though it's only winning by a tiny majority.
I'll call the vote shortly.
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>>4375856
>truth operation
>Monica and gray team up

I hate to tie it but getting kirei involved just doesn’t feel right. If by the time you call the vote nobody else has voted for this then just count me towards the priest. Also I’m not a damefag I’m normal posting I’m normally vrycxlvg
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>>4375856
Truth operation?
Don't you mean Honest Surgery? Possible Procedure? Real Repair?
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>>4375861
I though we were getting Ciel's help
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>>4375892
I hope we are, I don't want us to deal with Kirei unless we really need to.
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>>4375430
>Save Sakura
>Use your ability to manifest truth in order to remove the worms from Sakura.
>Kill Zouken
>Hire Monica with the orders to kill the old worm once and for all.
>Buy enough explosives from the Yakuza to give Zouken a real explosive send-off.
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>>4375924
Well that all depends on how much you feel like going to Vatican City and convincing Narbareck to help you.
Good luck with that.
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>>4375974
I would rather shake hands with Prelati.
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>>4375974
>how much you feel like going to Vatican City and convincing Narbareck to help you
So... nothing at all? Great, lets go burn our adopted sister and hope that she doesn't promptly begin dying of organ failure.
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>>4375430
>Save Sakura
>>Use your ability to manifest truth in order to remove the worms from Sakura.

>Kill Zouken
>>Hire Monica with the orders to kill the old worm once and for all.
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>>4375979
>Great, lets go burn our adopted sister and hope that she doesn't promptly begin dying of organ failure.
WHAT A FUCKING SENTENCE HOLY SHIT

>>4375807
I'd personally go for
>Mind of Steel
>Caster Takeover
>Tohsaka Speedrun
>Leyline Disruption
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>>4375981
If this option is alright then I'm changing to

>Kill Zouken
>Monica and gray team up
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>>4375430
>>Use your ability to manifest truth in order to remove the worms from Sakura.
and
>>Hire Monica with the orders to kill the old worm once and for all.
>>Buy enough explosives from the Yakuza to give Zouken a real explosive send-off.
Full Kerry Option.
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>>4375793
>new servants, new masters
Shit finna get turnt.
What would guys prefer?
Cool bro servant or another waifu for the pile?
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>>4376062
More waifus for the waifu gods
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>>4376062
Bro servant would be cool
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>>4376062
Bro,
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>>4376003
And destroy our mansion and all its tomes?
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>>4376062
Bro.
I think the real question is if we'll just be getting fate go characters, or if WhatIsAQM will try and make some OCs. Either way I hope they aren't very powerful. Having an overpowered servant on top of all the other shit going for us would be too power trippy.
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>>4376098
We gonna get Mata Hari thanks to our charisma
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>>4376062
Li Shuwen preferably but given a choice I would vote for a best option suited for fifth war.
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>>4376062
We need more bros, for now we only have Shirou and Waver.
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For the operation itself, you'll have to see just how powerful your ability to use Truth is. While you're somewhat confident that you can handle using it to create some magical effect to remove the crest worms form Sakura, there's always going to be that nagging doubt that you just aren't prepared enough to save Sakura. That you ought to train your magecraft more before you can genuinely attempt to save the girl. But you aren't going to allow that doubt in your own abilities to hold you back from acting any longer. You will save Sakura and you aren't just going to wait for the grail war and hope that you'll be able to get Caster to save Sakura for you. In a way, training for so long and then just basically bypassing the whole situation by relying on Caster just seems... wrong. Like you'd be cheating. You would feel a lot more confident if you actually practiced spiritual surgery, but it simply never came up during your training with Touko. Because of this, you don't know if you'd be able to extract the worms if you were to attempt to physically remove them by cutting Sakura's body open. Of course, Avalon would keep her alive during the process no matter what you did to her, but there's no point in operating on her if you don't actually think it will work at all.

As for killing Zouken, you eventually settle on having both Monica and Gray work together to put an end to the old worm. Both of them seem like solid choices when it comes to dealing with Zouken, Monica's electrical and magnetic abilities ought to really counter the majority of what Zouken's familiars could do. A swarm of familiars is quite worthless against electricity which will ideally arc between them all. Gray however is likely to be even more effective when it comes to dealing with the old worm. With Add and her midly superhuman abilities, dealing with a wraith like Zouken ought to be relatively simple for her. The only problem with dealing with Zouken is his magecraft, but thankfully, he's way out of his prime. He's no longer the legendary magus Zolgen Makiri who under ideal circumstances could battle servants. He's simply a worm in his shape clinging to life and a forgotten dream in his madness. Killing Zouken is a mercy at this point.
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By the time the cab arrives and both you and Giselle get into the vehicle, you're already plotting to visit London. Looks like you'll need to go and pay Waver a visit. You hope he's doing alright and is getting accustomed to the role of a Clocktower lord. Though you really know that he hasn't and probably never will enjoy the role. It's not exactly like he gets the prestige and respect that the title should grant him either, considering he's basically just a glorified puppet for Reines to bully as she pleases and everyone important knows that. Well at least he can enjoy the adoring respect of his students. Going to London should also let you visit Monica personally.

You quickly come to the realization when you're thinking of getting a plane that it might be for the best if you had Giselle accompany you to London. Simply out of concern for the homunculus. You don't want her managing to get herself lost in an airport, and the truth of the matter is that you're going to need to hypnotize some people to actually get her through the airport. You really can't imagine that Acht has prepared fake passports and the like for all of his homunculi, and he has a very limited knowledge of how the modern world works. You shouldn't have too many problems with using just a little bit of magecraft to hypnotize a few people into letting her pass and remaining unnoticed in doing so. But still, you know that if Giselle fails in her duties now, then it's likely that she really will be put to death by Acht for her failure.

So you have no choice but to have her accompany you to London. "Giselle. Do you mind if we take a detour to London before we go to Fuyuki? There are a few things I need to get sorted before I return to my city." Giselle simply nods at you quietly, accepting the orders with absolutely no delay. Well, guess that solves that. Seems like she's aware of the fact that her odds of success are really quite low in getting to Fuyuki by herself with no real aid from Acht. You suppose that in a way, this must be a test for her set by Acht as much as it is Acht attempting to spy on you. Still, with any luck, you'll be able to hide what you really get up to from Giselle. You might actually be able to convince the homunculus into not revealing the truth of your abilities to Acht if you managed to become a good enough friend to her. But that will require you to forge quite a strong relationship with the woman meant to be acting as a spy. Luckily for you and rather unluckily for Acht, you are aware that Einzbern Homunculi can easily develop the feelings and personalities of real human beings if they are simply treated as one instead of as a tool to be disposed of. But even with that in mind, you might have to see if you can convince her that you keeping your magecraft a secret from everyone is a beneficial thing.
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After some trouble actually getting Giselle through the airport and a thankfully short journey on a plane, you find yourself in London. Specifically, at the Clocktower and standing right outside the office of Lord El-Melloi II. It was kind of a hassle actually gaining entrance to the Clocktower, but thankfully, you were let in by one of the guards when you mentioned you knew El-Melloi II. You left Giselle back at the hotel to prevent yourself from drawing too much attention, and she seemed to have been fine with it. For somebody who's mission is basically just to spy on you, she seems to be incredibly lax about the whole situation. You're somewhat glad for her lack of any sort of a refusal when it comes to following your orders though. Even though you attempted to reject her as your personal maid, she's still accepting orders as if you had agreed to that proposition. Strange.

You can't just stand outside Waver's office for too long, people would soon begin asking questions, so without further ado, you push your way into the office of the overworked man. There's a look of intense boredom on his face as you enter his office, and it quickly transitions into a look of resigned annoyance as he notices your entrance. He doesn't look surprised at all by your entrance though, "I see that you've managed to find my office quite well, Shinji. What is it that you want?" I'd rather not get chased through the countryside by an angry mob of villagers again, so please don't tell me you want to go searching through quaint villages again." He lights up a cigar as he finishes speaking and begins smoking... probably to calm his nerves. That was quite a large mob, after all.

>"Actually, I need to borrow Gray to help me heal somebody again."
>"Actually I was hoping if I could borrow Gray so she could help me kill my grandfather."
>"Give me Gray for a few days, I need her help."
>"Give me Gray or I tell Reines about your secret bank accounts."
>Write-in...
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>>4376142
Give grey to kill grandfather
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>>4376142
>>"Actually I was hoping if I could borrow Gray so she could help me kill my grandfather."
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>>4376142
>"Actually I was hoping if I could borrow Gray so she could help me kill my grandfather."
Honesty is the best policy kids.
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>>4376142
>"Actually I was hoping if I could borrow Gray so she could help me kill my grandfather."
By this point I expect him to not even be surprised at our request.
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>>4376142
>>"Actually I was hoping if I could borrow Gray so she could help me kill my grandfather."
If she's not available, please refer me to a grandfather specialized assassin of equal skill and ability.
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>>4376142
>"Give me Gray for a few days, I need her help."
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>>4376142
>"Actually I was hoping if I could borrow Gray so she could help me kill my grandfather."
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>>4376142
>"Actually I was hoping if I could borrow Gray so she could help me kill my grandfather."
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>>4376142
>>"Actually I was hoping if I could borrow Gray so she could help me kill my grandfather."

>He lights up a cigar as he finishes speaking and begins smoking... probably to calm his nerves
'Not smoking nearly enough for this one'
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>>4376142
>"Actually I was hoping if I could borrow Gray so she could help me kill my grandfather."
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>>4376062
I wouldn't mind Abby. She wouldn't really be a cool bro or a waifu though.
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>>4376264
I liked the one where she gets her keyhole fucked
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>>4376264
If we actually end up being an Outer God it will be pretty awkward to have any form of relationship with daughter/host of Yog-Sothoth. Double so with him watching through the keyhole.
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>>4376297
>Double so with him watching through the keyhole.
Just stick a bandage over it, it'll be fine.
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>>4376142
>>"Actually I was hoping if I could borrow Gray so she could help me kill my grandfather."
Support.
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>>4376297
You say awkward, I say extra hot.
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>>4376142
>"Actually I was hoping if I could borrow Gray so she could help me kill my grandfather."
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>>4375793
I just hope the servants are original and none of them come from post-1800. There are almost no FGO characters that actually made for good additions to canon.
>>4375807
Man, whoever made this thing was off his rocker.
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>>4376345
What original servant would you like to see?
I know personally, the fact that Nasu and co, started using relatively recent historical figures before taking characters from African, Inuit, or even other southeast Asianic myths is retarded beyond belief. The world is filled with so much mythology and the fact that Napoleon is a 6 foot tall giga chad and my boy Sundiata isn't in the game yet is a god damn tragedy.
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>>4376377
That's a decent counterargument. Pulling some African or native American myth would be even worse than summoning George Washington.
Still, I think there are plenty of worthwhile characters from Russian, Indian, and Chinese lore that haven't been used, though I'm not overly familiar with their mythologies. The Russian folk hero, the third son, someone suggested in an earlier thread would be a good candidate. An actual decent version of Ivan the Terrible, Charlemagne, or some characters from medieval chivalric romance would be nice. Himiko or Prince Shotoku might also go over well.
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>>4376377
Give me that Howard Philips Lovecraft. Give me that Nyarlathotep Host.
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>>4376393
I can dig it.
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>>4376398
It could get even weirder.
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Are you guys really certain that messing with Outer Gods is a good idea?
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>>4376456
Well we already messed with the literal antithesis of human life and his handler, what's another fucked up situation to add to our death flag count?
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>>4376456
>Are you guys really certain that messing with Outer Gods is a good idea?
Yes
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>>4376456
I'm honestly not too fond of the idea, but I'm not gonna complain about eldrich lolis.
Would prefer someone like Sundiata or maybe Pwyll for a more western flair. Too many mythological gaps in Fates to go straight to modern history or outer gods.
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>>4376456
Mortals can't comprehend Outer Gods, Outer Gods can't comprehend Shinji.
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>>4376482
Shinji can't comprehend why kids love the delicious taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
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>>4376456
Friendly Outer God is pretty good insurance from Dead Apostle Ancestors.
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>>4376456
>get ourselves immediately swallowed whole by horrors from beyond the stars
>as long as it has a female form anons don't care, we still got to stick our dick in it
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>>4376456
If we're going that far, why don't we just summon her?
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>>4376456
Nothing's ever certain, but I'm always ready to go for a mystical loli.
On a more grounded note, another few candidates for original servants that spring to mind are rider Achaemenes, mythical founder of the first line of Persian kings, caster Calypso, a semidivine nymph who could weave magic into singing, or assassin Livia, Augustus' poisoner of a wife who was deified after her death by Claudius.
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>>4376456
Yes.
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Honestly, it is not even the worst thing we can twist Truth to summon.
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>>4376391
George Washington would be epic
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>>4376536
Holy shit no we can’t it wouldn’t end well for us
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>>4376536
Is that Ungoliant?
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>>4376577
Yes that’s ungoliant
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>>4376456
Yo Whatis, would it be possible to go for any of these?

>Eve
> 「 」
>Dioscuri
>Parvati-Sakura
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>>4376607

Fuyuki grail can't call divine spirits and I don't think Blank is summon-able.

IIRC Shiki just tagged along after her singularity was about to die and in-story Saber Shiki is just another personality of Assassin Shiki rather than a completely different servant.

I also don't trust anons with Pollux, they will do something stupid and get killed by Castor.
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>>4376456
The Outer Gods cannot comprehend the sheer thirst of Anon, possible the Mother with a Thousand Young, but barely.
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>>4376456
Outer gods will be easy to deal with if we summon Daijuuji Kurou.
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We should try for AL Azif.
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>>4376456
That depends, are the outer gods cute lolis?
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I love how the answers range from "Hell Fucking Yes" to "Probably not, but lolis though"
Glad everyone has their priorities in order.
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>>4376673
I feel like I'm the odd man out for having no interest in lolis
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>>4376680
It's a fate quest. You definitely are.
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>>4376680
You're not the only one anon, I'm with you on this one
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>>4376685
Best way to say it honestly.
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>>4376673
I'm only here for loli /harem
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>>4376673
The power of cooming knows no bounds, whether from homunculi or eldritch abominations from beyond the comprehension of mortal minds.
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>>4376607
>Eve
Why not go for the original Lilith, Archdemon of Lust, first woman, wife of the first man Adam, instead?
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>>4376700
I will go loli if we go harem, however if we can't have harem there's no fucking way i'm going loli
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I don't actually wanna summon a servant, I wanna go with the plan of finding Medea and being her Master, maybe summon an Assassin for ourselves since it wouldn't be much of a loss to not have Sasaki or Cursed Arm
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>>4376700
>>4376743
>Expecting a Harem route in Fate
Come on guys, you should know better than that.
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>>4376744
We could summon a servant and find Medea
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>>4376749
Rin got a harem why can't we anon? Can't we dream?

>>4376750
Well we'd be limited to Assassin or Rider and I don't think most anons want to miss out on Medusa.
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>>4376749
You thought it was Fate, but the whole time it's been Badump~! Shinji's Super Date Plan.
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>>4376749
A MAN CAN DREAM
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>>4376749
Canon Shinji had women throwing themselves at him, pulling off a harem isn't impossible, especially considering having two love interests is canon in both Tsukihime and FSN.

>>4376752
We'll be summoning before anyone else though, so we'll be able to summon from any class besides the one the Einzbern choose.
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>>4376758
Idk man I just feel like it'd be a bad call to radically change how the HGW is played if we decide to summon, we summon Archer and Shirou is left without UBW, we summon Saber and Avalon is useless and Shirou is without a waifu, we summon Caster and whats his name might get a servant that's more receptive to his child slaves
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>>4376752
>>4376753
>>4376755
>>4376758
Fate protags aren't allowed to have Harems. As long as Shinji has the spotlight, he can never be allowed to have more than one girl.
One after another?
Maybe.
All at once?
Never ever.
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>>4376761
Arturia can be summoned into any class container can't she?

>>4376762
You never read UBW Good Ending?
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>>4376761
This is our story.
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>>4376764
Technically not in FSN, she can only be summoned as a Saber
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>>4376764
UBW isn't a harem ending just because Saber is around. Also just two girls is barely even a harem anyway. A man has two hands doesn't he?
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>>4376767
Why?
I don't remember reading that anywhere.
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>>4376772
Saber straight up says she can only be summoned as a Saber
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>>4376773
Now that I do remember, but if she's summoned from the throne instead of from the past she can fit into any container, no?
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>>4376776
probably not, Lancer Artoria is basically a what if Artoria and literally every other version of her is a meme servant
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>>4376778
>Lancer Artoria
God, now that would be a welcome change of pace.
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>>4376780
Let's do it.
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>>4376781
again, she doesn't exist unless QM is so kind to make her exist
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>>4376781
Only way I see that happening is if somehow manage to convince Gray to just hand over Add (or have her summon)
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>>4376782
The throne exists out of time and space, and the kaleidoscope ensures all possible outcomes actually happen.
The only real issue is obtaining catalysts to summon people from different universes, but Avalon is pretty crucial to Arturia so if she can't be summoned as Saber, another is likely to be summoned in her stead.
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QM please....gib milkies...I can't take it any longer...
Not specifically these milkers. I don't even need you to make the servant we end up summoning have milkers, but I need something for diversity's sake damn it.
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>>4376791
I can't believe you've resorted to begging.
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>>4376792
Look, I've been deprived of valuable calcium for too damn long!
Also I like having an excuse to post waifus.
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>>4376797
Fuck, those are some big milkers.
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>>4376780
Disgusting.
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>>4376791
>I need something for diversity's sake damn it.
Did you just forget Sakura exists, or something?
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>>4376799
Traditionally, I'm generally more of a small tid big hips and ass sorta guy, but again, we lack diversity, and complaining about a lack of milkies is way more funny to me.

>>4376805
Sakura is
A) Only big when you compare her to the rest of the cast and to Japanese girls in general. She's only actually like a D cup, and compared to what we could have and how much of everything else we have already is pretty disappointing.
B) Old pussy, and as such off the menu.
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>>4376808
I want to hold her hand so bad
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>>4376808
Eh, D seems plenty big to me. The cowturia style "tits bigger than her head" thing just strikes me as grotesque. Then again I'm not much big on the kind of super-exaggerated hips on lolis you've got in your Jack image there. I'm just not into unrealistically extreme proportions (anime eyes excepted, course.)
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"Actually, I don't need you to accompany me this time, I just need Gray to help me kill my grandfather." Waver inhales and chokes on the fumes of his cigar. You know, you never mentioned it to Shishou because of her puppet bodies, but for somebody like Waver, smoking is just going to end up causing him problems down the line. Then again, you suppose if he's using them for stress relief, it's preferable to his heart exploding from the constant barrage of ridiculous nonsense that he must have to put up with on a day to day basis.

"You... You want to do what?" You're pretty certain that he heard you perfectly. Waver is a nice ally to have, but he really does enjoy playing the part of the straight man too much.

"I want to kill my grandfather and I need Gray to help me to do it." You repeat. "Don't worry, he's a genuinely awful person and probably ranks in about the top ten of people on the planet who deserve to be killed..." Well, there's a real long list, but Zouken probably ranks near the top, just below the people actively trying to bring about the end of humanity.

"Why?" Seems Waver needs a brief lesson in just why Zouken needs to die. Very well, he's trustworthy enough to be told of why you want to kill Zouken, thankfully, spying on the personal offices and quarters of other magi within the bounds of the Clocktower is against the rules of the organization, so you shouldn't have to fear being spied upon. It's probably so magi feel safe actually doing their research within the Clocktower that they've put so many magical protections against remote observation on so many rooms of the complex.

"Oh simple stuff really, typical magus business, for one he murdered my mother, is responsible for the violation of my sister, and has killed hundreds if not thousands of people over the last half a millennium. He's also partially to blame for the Grail Wars in the first place, and for all of the casualties that resulted from the wars." Pinning the deaths of the wars on Zouken is hardly fair, but as he was one of the brains behind the war, it's not entirely uncalled for. The Einzbern might've never managed to get the war to a functional state without the brilliance of Zolgen Makiri, after all.
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Waver looks totally shocked by your complete condemnation of your grandfather. What, wasn't he aware of just how awful a person Zouken was? "Fine, it's not like you would take no for an answer anyway, and this is really par for the course with how I expect you to act. However you'll have to wait a few hours, Gray is currently out running an errand and I'm not entirely sure when she'll return. I doubt that you'd like to help me with this paperwork though, so when it comes to entertainment, I'm afraid that you'll have to occupy yourself." He returns to scanning through some of his paperwork, keeping an eye on you and cautiously observing you. You can't really blame him for that caution after how much you seem to know about things you have no right of knowing.

"Oh that's not going to be a problem, I think." You begin leaving Waver's office. "I'll be back in a few hours, I'm going to take a stroll around the facility. I'm sure I'll find something to do." You've wanted to take a look about the Clocktower for a long time now, and this is really the first actual chance you've gotten to do so. There are so many relevant people in this place that you really never know just who you might bump into.

"W-wait a seco-" You leave the room and quickly begin walking off, you don't really want to waste this opportunity by just staying in Waver's office and waiting about for things to happen. Gray could take hours to return, after all, and you'd rather not let Waver rope you into helping do his paperwork. You'd think with some of that money you helped him earn, he'd hire himself some sort of personal secretary. But you suppose he's under the same restrictions as you are when it comes to his newly obtained fortune. He has to hide his money from Reines just like you have to hide your money from Zouken.

You walk aimlessly through the halls of the Clocktower, marvelling at the architechture of the building and the powerful spells you can feel reverberating in every part of the building. Clearly the result of this place being the origin point of tens of thousands of powerful spells and rituals in the past. Other than perhaps the Vatican, the Wandering Sea and Atlas Academy, it's unlikely that there is a single place on the planet with superior defenses than the Clocktower.
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Still, your wandering can't continue forever, no matter how fascinating you might find the building and the history behind it. You simply keep wandering until you find something that might be interesting, but your lack of familiarity with the layout of the building makes locating anything a complete nightmare. There are no references guides or maps available either. Finally, after what must've been thirty minutes of just exploring the Clocktower and bumping into a few of the really quite irrelevant unnamed background magi who exist only as a baseline for the universe to call 'average', you come to a stop in front of...

>...a Gymnasium.
>...a shooting range.
>...a lounge.
>...a magical practice room.
>nothing, you just keep wandering about aimlessly.
>Write-in...
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>>4376844
>...a lounge.
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>>4376837
That's the thing. There's nothing unrealistic about huge tids or proportionally large hips. It can all be found in nature and it's all beautiful if you ask me.
It may not be your tastes and I can understand that, we all have our preferences. But as far as I'm concerned, variety is the spice of life and men killed and enslaved each other in the pursuit of spices for a damn good reason.
They're fucking tasty.
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>>4376844
Gym, time to show off our physique
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>>4376844
>...a shooting range.
Time to partake in a truly American past time.
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>>4376844
>>...a magical practice room.
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>>4376852
It's more a target range for offensive spells.
Not actual guns.
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>>4376844
>...a lounge.
Slowly but surely, our Wakame Paradise is becoming a reality.

>a few of the really quite irrelevant unnamed background magi who exist only as a baseline for the universe to call 'average'
there's that alien mindset again!
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>>4376844
>...a Gymnasium.
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>>4376844
>>...a Gymnasium.
Maybe Luvia is there doing some wrassling
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>>4376808
D cup is huge
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>>4376844
>...a shooting range
Fuck it, why not.
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>>4376844
The best people to get to know here are the strongest magi. The strongest magi are usually the richest, cause of the family crest and circuit system. The richest and most powerful people from old money are usually killing time in a leisure lounge if they're not in private.
>...a lounge
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>>4376863
yeah its pretty big but not "as big as you head" big like Lancer Artoria's
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>>4376844
>...a magical practice room.
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>>4376743
>I will go loli if we go harem, however if we can't have harem there's no fucking way i'm going loli
I will go harem if we go loli, however if we don't go for all lolis there's no fucking way I'm going harem.
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>>4376856
Dam.... Then change my vote to the Gym, I want to flex.
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>>4376868
there's like only one and everyone wants Illya so you're good anon
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>>4376844
>Write-in...
>Marisbury Animusphere
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>>4376844
>>...a shooting range.
oh say can you see
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>>4376868
This, Shinji is a man of justice, and flat is justice.

I don't want to disappoint Shirou by doing unjust things :^)
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>>4376863
>D cup
>Huge
Come on son. They are undeniably pretty big, but huge?
Really?
When we got gals rocking Double, triple Ds and beyond, you draw the huge line at plain Ds?
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Did Waver just allow Shinji free ran to wander about the Clocktower? Did he learn nothing about Shinjis insane luck, for good and bad?

What is next we walk into Zelritch or something. We are gonna give Waver a heart attack.
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>>4376844
>...a Gymnasium.
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>>4376844
>...a magical practice room.
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>>4376883
not drawing the line. I love big boobs. D cups are massive either way you look at it.
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>>4376868
>A harem of murder Lolis
Sounds like a path that would lead to Shinji frequently dying during his daily life.
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>>4376884
LETS FUCKING FIND ZELRITCH
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>>4376884
I don't think he's ever been around for our more extreme bouts of luck. He's seen our foresight first hand, but never seen us run into random power players out of nowhere.

>>4376894
I guess it's a matter of perspective then. If you ask me and most of the girls I know, D cup is when things actually start getting big let alone huge, and i'm sure it's the opposite for you. But when it comes to cup sizes are relative to band size and shit like that anyway.
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>>4376896
I wonder how Zelritch would respond to being told the world is fictional...Would be pretty funny if he just said "I know, go away."
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>>4376884
Why did you think he tried to stop us?
>"W-wait a seco-"
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>>4376908
Waver is gonna be visiting us (to deal with the after War) when Vampire Princess comes to claim Shinji. Just Imagine his look of horror at Altrouge and Shinji flirting and fighting.
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>>4376918
I'm very much looking forward to the Dead Apostle she's finna sneak into this war as a master and send after us to test our metal before going in for the snatch herself.
Should be fun.
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>>4376895
All good things have a cost, anon.
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>>4376844
Gym
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>>4376844
>...a Gymnasium.
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>>4376844
>...a Gymnasium
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>>4376844
>...a Gymnasium.
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All these Gym votes makes me want to bench press three hundred pounds.
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>>4376844
>...a Gymnasium.
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>>4376842
>...a Gymnasium.
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> the gym
We must become swole so we can smack anyone who threatens our precious people's smiles shit.
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Also gentlemen, a quick reminder that we want to look like THIS when we enter high school.
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>>4377277
Only Shinji is 5'4'' manlit instead of a 6'2'' giant, but nobody's perfect
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>>4377277
Why settle for a jojo body when we can use truth magic to achieve the perfect form
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>>4377277
>>4377289
He does have Truth magic, and it does apply to self...

Just imagine Redman seeing THIS Shinji, hell Altrouge will be in awe of how well Shinji developed.
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You come to a stop outside of a gymnasium. Eh, sure why not. You've honestly been skimping on your physical exercise over the past few days, and training Giselle hardly compared to your usual intensive regime. Spending time with Illya really gave you no time to just go and spend a few hours training your body. You're hoping that the magi of the Clocktower have at least invested in physical training equipment and that you aren't expected to bring your own. While you could easily afford all the equipment, you don't really have the time to go and construct a gym for your own usage right now.

Pushing open the doors to the gym, you find yourself with a face to face with a girl you know, but have yet to meet. Luviagelita Edelfelt stands in the center of the room wearing an exercise uniform, in a boxing ring, of all things. She seems to take notice of your arrival at almost the exact moment you walk through the door. There's absolutely nobody else in the gym either, it's just Luvia.

"Ohohohoho! A challenger finally approaches! I knew that putting up that challenge up would find somebody willing to fight me!" Luvia seems to be mistaken about something. "Now, state your name! You who would challenge the Great Luvia!" Wow, does she not have any shame or anything? You get that she's young, but what is this wrestling act she's doing? You suppose that there's nobody else around, but still. Why is she just challenging whoever walks into the gymnasium, anyway?

"Hold on, challenge? I'm really just looking about the place, honestly. So... this is a gym?" You take a look about the really rather sparsely equipped gym, there's absolutely no modern pieces of equipment. Not a single treadmill in sight, and the weightlifting machines leave quite a bit to be desired. Still, you can probably manage something with the terribly equipped gym, you've worked on your regime with less to use, after all.

"T-that's right! A challenge! A sum of one hundred thousand pounds will be paid towards the challenger who defeats me in a battle of physical skill!" The fact that nobody has yet to challenge Luvia with that sort of cash on the line really could only mean two things. One, that the majority of the Clocktower aren't at all the athletic type and don't want to spend a few days recovering from beating beaten up by a girl, and two, that to a lot of the magi of the Clocktower, a mere one hundred thousand pounds is a pittance. Of course, it's also a pittance to you and Luvia, but it's not a terrible incentive to get the less established magi to fight her. "So, have you come to do battle with the Great Luvia, Mister..." Luvia is clearly waiting for you to introduce yourself, and with a resigned sigh, you do.
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"It's Shinji. Shinji Matou. I really just came here to get my daily exercise and martial arts practice in, fighting you isn't exactly a high priority of mine here... Uhm... 'Great Luvia'." You kind of need her to give you her full name, you think a part of your soul just died having to call her by that stage name. It's not like it's that embarrassing, but to have to call somebody by such a ridiculous name when you're trying to have a serious conversation with them is just silly.

"Oh? I am Luviagelita Edelfelt, of the esteemed Edelfelt family. Are you new to the Clocktower? I imagined you would've recognized me as such if you weren't, and I haven't seen your face around before... Oh! Are you the same Matou from Fuyuki?" Luvia pauses for a moment. "The same ones who helped the Einzbern and were helped by the... Tohsaka. To set up the Grail War?"

"Indeed." You confirm everything Luvia says. "I have heard of the Edelfelt too, of course. Your family is really quite the impressive one." It speaks volumes of the prestige of the Edelfelt when Luvia can use her jewel magecraft whenever and however she pleases without hovering on the edge of destitution like Rin. Though Rin and the Tohsaka only know jewel magecraft in the first place because they almost certainly stole it from the Edelfelt some time during the third war. "But why exactly are you challenging people to a... uh... wrestling match?"
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"Isn't it quite simple? I wish to prove my superiority over the rest of my fellow magi in a battle without the use of magic circuits!" Luvia begins explaining herself. "It would really be exceedingly simple for me to crush anyone who came to do battle with me with the use of my magecraft, but that's exactly the reason why I wish to fight without relying upon them!" There's an exceptionally high ego here, but Luvia's confidence isn't entirely unwarranted. Among the Clocktower, he magic circuits really are first class, and the vast majority of those background characters would clearly balk at the prospect of going up against her. Then again, those same mob characters also have absolutely no physical skill to speak of. They probably just don't want to get beaten up by a girl. Besides, even defeating Luvia has a high chance of them getting a black mark against them from a powerful magus family like the Edelfelt. There's really no reason anybody would want to fight Luvia. "Say, you look fairly well-built, and you did mention you came here to do some exercise... How about it? Do you think you have what it takes to defeat the Great Luvia?" Absolutely. It wouldn't even be a challenge, honestly. If Luvia is restricted to the level of a normal human being, you could end the fight in a single strike. Even if the two of you were to both reinforce yourself to the limits you could manage, you would still end up crushing her with your superior skill, strength and speed.

>"No thank you, Miss Edelfelt. I'm really only here to do some exercise, not to beat up a beautiful girl."
>"I'll have to pass on that offer, I need to do my own training, and fighting you is not conducive to that."
>"If you really want me to fight you, I'll be happy to thrash you."
>Take off the magical energy sealing necklace. "How about we fight each other at the peaks of our respective abilities?"
>Write-in...
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>>4377447
>"If you really want me to fight you, I'll be happy to thrash you."
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>>4377447
I'm not here to beat up a beautiful girl.
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>>4377447
>>"If you really want me to fight you, I'll be happy to thrash you."

Luvia is worst girl and we need to make sure she knows this
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>>4377447
>"If you really want me to fight you, I'll be happy to thrash you."
We need to catch her in a mating press, activate those primal instincts inside of her when she sense how strong we are.
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>>4377447
>>"If you really want me to fight you, I'll be happy to thrash you."
Let’s get her addicted to our big makiri cock
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>>4377447
>"If you really want me to fight you, I'll be happy to thrash you."
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>>4377447
>>"If you really want me to fight you, I'll be happy to thrash you."
Ryona is officially on the menu lads.
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>>4377447
>"If you really want me to fight you, I'll be happy to thrash you."
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>>4377447
>"If you really want me to fight you, I'll be happy to thrash you."
She is going to get destroyed
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>>4377447
>"If you really want me to fight you, I'll be happy to thrash you."
Predictable.
Time to steal more of Rin's nice things.
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>>4377447
Backing >>4377467
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>>4377516
Oh well she had a happy ending in all 3 fate stay night routes she can give up a few details here and there
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So, QM mentions she's got good genes, how wet would she get if we told her about out 300+ magic circuits?
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>>4377540
Pretty sure that'd lead to a bad end
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>>4377447
>"If you really want me to fight you, I'll be happy to thrash you."
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>>4377543
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>>4377554
How many times does it have to be said that telling anyone about our god circuits or anything specific about our magic is a fast track to a bad end or general unpleasant circumstances in general?
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>>4377554
Pretty sure word would get out and we would be body harvested or something
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>>4377558
Oh, I thought it was something specific about this girl.
I don't understand your lack of desire to create a superior race.
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>>4377554
Magi are soulless creatures that will, generally speaking, stop at nothing in their pursuit of knowledge and allow nothing to hurdle them in their quest for the root. If we let people know about our mega circuits we will be experimented on
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>>4377544
After we win the initial fight, maybe we could fight her while she's reinforcing herself.
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We’re going to rawdog Luvia and she is going to love it
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>Luvia
Waste of time. Knew this'd happen if we went to the gym.
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>>4377561
She's just good by regular human standards. You want to create a superior race, we have to have kids with somebody like Manaka or Illya, or at least Lorelei. Somebody with really outstanding genetics.
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>>4377595
I want to marry Illya but she will probably not birth children well
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>>4377444
>It's Shinji. Shinji Matou.
Didn't we agree to go by Makiri at the clocktower? Seems like a big slipup to drop Matou now.
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>>4377578
Well, I don't know about all that, but it's good to have a waifu in the running that raises tit bar a bit.
I mean Leysritt is the official biggest so far, but I can't really consider her a waifu.
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>>4377599
We got Avalon and truth magic, we can make it work somehow.
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>>4377599
After all the crazy magic shit we've been thinking about to operate on Sakura, we can make sure a loli gets through pregnancy without problems. 100% positive.
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>>4377447
>>"If you really want me to fight you, I'll be happy to thrash you."
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>>4377603
>>4377609
Ok so let’s name them Kerry and shirou and Arthur and Alexander and shinji jr and then for girls we can have Irisviel after illyas mother who can go as iris for short or sherry after shirou and carry after Kerry and so on.
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>>4377615
>that name sense
I gagged. Do yourself a favor and let the mother decide.
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>>4377619
I’m joshing
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>>4377615
I like shirou but let's not name all our kids after the guy. I think Iris is a comfy name though.
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>>4377601
There's something about that smug aura and color palette that makes me want to pin her down.
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>>4377626
Shirou or sherry not both. He’s a great guy and there’s nobody in our family worth naming anyone after. I’m also halfway kidding because I doubt naming kids will be a thing in this quest
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>>4377636
I feel like you're forgetting the widespread magus disdain for oriental magi, and the fact that we're actively trying to distance ourselves from the Japanese Matou and retake the heritage of the Russian Makiri. If it does come down to naming, children of ours should have a mix of Russian names and names from their mother's country of origin, not be named after anyone we know. Peter, Alexander, Feodor, Vasily, these are the names worth giving a Makiri boy. Shirou is no more appropriate than naming our son Zouken would be.
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>>4377447
>"If you really want me to fight you, I'll be happy to thrash you."
>>4377600
Speaking of, we should put learning to speak Russian like a native on our to-do list. It should be possible to learn fairly easily for someone of Shinji's intellectual talents.
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>>4377645
In the olden days you would name a child in honor of someone. We know no Peters or such. Shirou is a good friend of ours and a good man.
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>>4377600
I was debating over whether to have you call yourself Makiri or Matou to Luvia.
She's familiar with both names, seeing as the Edelfelt are quite well aware of the grail war.

But Shinji went for Matou here because he figured that Luvia would be more receptive to speaking to somebody that she knows is also an enemy of the Tohsaka.
Also, because she knows that the Makiri go by Matou now, she would've immediately assumed you were trying to give her a false name.

Though if you want, I'll have Shinji introduce himself as Makiri to everyone else he might run into.
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>>4377652
If we cared about what people did in the olden days, we wouldn't have given Illya a gameboy. Shirou may be a good guy, but he's got a terrible name.
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>>4377660
I do want that. Can't speak for anyone else.
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>>4377652
What if when we get back we raped shirou? Would you like that?
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>>4377660
Sure, go ahead.
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>>4377664
Why would we rape shirou I just want to name a kid after him in the hypothetical situation where we have a child with his sister
>>4377661
It’s not about the olden days really it’s just an example. Happened all the time really up until recently when people decided to start getting creative with names like braxlyn and bralyn or such
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Guys, once we're done fondling Luvia in a sweaty environment, we should ask her how Sapphire is doing.
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>>4377695
She doesn't become Zelretch's apprentice until after the end of FSN, and he's the one who gives those sticks to her and Rin in the Prillya timeline, which is the only timeline she's likely to have the thing. All we'd get now is a blank stare.
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>>4377695
Let’s just get her to dress up as a magical girl for us once she’s head over heels for our BMC
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>>4377695
>One version of her has moderately big tids
>Another version of her has mommy milkers
I know Kaleid Luvia is supposed to be older or something but god damn it this triggers my autism something heavy. I just want consistency damn it! Is that so much to ask for Nasu?
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>>4377447
>"If you really want me to fight you, I'll be happy to thrash you."
It is really nice of Luvia to ask us to physically dominate her.
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>>4377719
Different authors and different illustrators. Nasu and Takeuchi had next to nothing to do with Kaleid. Everyone's different in that timeline, they just share names and vague similarities.
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>>4377728
>Nasu and Takeuchi had next to nothing to do with Kaleid.
Yeah exactly, that's my whole point!
There isn't much Takeuchi can do, but fucking Nasu never codified Luvia's measurements so fuckers were allowed to run wild with it! All I want is tiddy consistency! Is it too much to ask for that Nasu do the bare minimum and give the official numbers so we know what's up? Even if you choose to change things and make character assets more stylized later, at least we'd have the official baseline to look at.
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coomers please calm down
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>>4377748
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>>4377748
We both know that isn't going to happen.
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>>4377748
Better to get our pent up horny energy out between the votes rather than during the votes.
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>>4377743
That's not my point. My point is that any information Nasu gives out about original timeline Luvia doesn't apply to alternate timeline Luvia. She doesn't have baseline measurements because that's not really the same person. Nobody is in Kaleid, the whole world operates on different, weird principles, character traits are changed willy-nilly, etc. It only really makes sense if you just think of them as all original characters who only share basic design concepts with their original timeline counterparts. I could write an essay on how "Illya" and "Shirou" are slaps in the face to the original characters, but nobody wants to read that so I'll keep it to what I've already said.
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>>4377707
>which is the only timeline she's likely to have the thing.
Rin has Ruby, and if Ruby exists then there's a good chance that Sapphire exists too. Especially since we're in a mishmash timeline.
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>>4377447
>"If you really want me to fight you, I'll be happy to thrash you."
Let's kick her ass.
We must be one of the best practicioners of martial arts on the planet by now, considering we can stomp our way through tournaments with ease.
Time to show off.
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>>4377762
Honestly, you're right.
Still, the fact that Luvia doesn't have official measurements got me kinda pissy. And the fact that literally hundreds of characters in the Nasuverse don't have measurements when others of them do, triggers my autism something fierce. Is it so wrong to want them to document a new character's 3 wacky numbers for posterity's sake? There has to be turbo otaku that feel the same. Do none of them whale the moble game hard enough to have their prayers answered?
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>>4377799
>Luvia
>new
She's been around for fifteen years my dude.
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Seeing as we're at the Clocktower, who else should we try bumping into?
Zelretch?
Lorelei?
Baz?
Is Prelati here?
Prelati a cute!
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>>4377821
I'm pretty sure Shisho will disown us if we're nice to Prelati.
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>>4377814
I wasn't talking about Luvia when I said that.
I was talking almost every character added in fate go which now makes up a huge chunk of the nasuverse.
But given Luvia has been around for so long and still doesn't have measurements should help illustrate why I'm pissy about it.
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>>4377821
lets fuck the heir to the reines family
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We're still going for a harem, right?
so far I think we should go for Illya and Sakura at least. Maybe also Satsuki and Luvia.
Possibly Rider if she's summoned.
Maybe Medea if she doesn't mind sharing.
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It's a shame our rolls were so low on the Touko relationship foci. All this thirst from anons is making me think we should've had her take Shinji's virginity and give him some pointers on technique, so we could properly show Illya a good time on the wedding night.
Seriously though, there's too much damn horniness in this thread. Calm down, people.
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>>4377840
>We're still going for a harem, right?
When was that ever seriously considered by anyone?
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What if we convinced Touko to make herself a loli puppet body...?
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>>4377833
Let's fuck Reines' magical T-1000 instead.
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It might not be the best idea to bump into Reines due to her mystic eyes.
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>>4377447
>"If you really want me to fight you, I'll be happy to thrash you."
Fucking called it
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>>4377843
Since we made it a goal to become the most important man in the life of at least three girls?
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>>4377854
cant look into our eyes if we're doing it from behind
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>>4377862
Lets get even more dangerous girls after us and clam jam all of them and dedicate our life in pursuit of martial arts.
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>>4377868
yeah lets get Rin too so Sakura will want to murder us along with her sister
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>>4377841
We're reaching levels of horny that shouldn't be possible.
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God damn it, I just want to get to the fucking grail war already. Why couldn't we just do a 10 year training montage?
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>>4377875
You'd think it was a fanfic quest of a porn game that later got a gacha spinoff which makes all its money off thirst-motivated gambling, or something.
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>>4377876
Just turn off the computer and take a nap for another few days, we'll be there soon enough.
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>>4377876
Because the journey is the fucking fun part anon
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>>4377876
Grail war isn't even going to be the best part of the quest friend.
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Real talk, after Touko made us her apprentice we should've gone to UK with her and done 8 years of hardcore ascetic mage training then come back in 04.
>>4377879
I'll just keep lurking after this.
>>4377883
If what we got so far is the journey I'm not impressed. Anons want a lot of fucking about.
>>4377900
It's what I'm reading for. What do you think the best part's gonna be?
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>>4377910
its actually pretty fucking boring to train for 10 years and jerk off on a character sheet that tells us how OP we are
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>>4377910
Well, it'll either be the part where we have to fight eldritch gods off from destroying reality itself...
Or the part where coomers attempt to make a harem backfires and we get to play "try not to die to every girl we talked to."
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>>4377932
>Or the part where coomers attempt to make a harem backfires and we get to play "try not to die to every girl we talked to."
It's fine, we have a roadmap to keep everyone happy.
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>>4377932
OR we can marry Illya
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>>4377947
roadmap or a timetable?
There's a fundamental difference between a sequence of items on the way to a destination (hopefully a happy ending) and a plan to carefully split the limited resource that is time into a chunk to mollify everyone's more or less justified needs expectations.

Harems a shit.
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>>4378081
>roadmap or a timetable?
Yes.
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>>4377947
Oops forgot our condom with rin after buying roses for reines after skipping out on our walk with Sakura after blah blah blah and so on
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>>4378196
once again, this is why we need All Fiction, so if one of them slits our throat in our sleep we'll be okay for tomorrow
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>>4378198
What is All Fiction?
I'm surprised that we haven't died earlier- or that our origin isn't coom.
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>>4378247
Its the proposed Reality Marble since the very beginning of the Shinji Isekai idea.
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>>4378251
So how would that work? Do all events for a certain time become 'fiction' so while they still happen their consequences are rendered null?
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>>4378252
As described back in the /a/ threads, All Fiction works in tandem with your alien mindset of being transported into a fictional universe. None of what you're seeing is real and if none of it is real, it can be erased.
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Monogamous marriage end with Illya >>> harem
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>>4378367
I will purposely screw ourselves over if we on