You open your eyes groggily to be met by the sight of a somewhat unfamiliar ceiling. Your body feels... odd, pushing the blankets off of yourself seems to take far more effort than you're used to, and, wasn't your quilt black and not white? Just what is going on here? Did you get hospitalized in your sleep or something? You aren't really sure how that could have happened, considering you live by yourself, but if it is the case, you're thankful for whoever got you here. You feel very... strange. Your body feels weak and the room feels strangely too big, even the bed is twice the size you would expect.You push the quilt away from you and get up out of the bed to look around the room. Looking down at your body, you notice you're wearing a set of white pajamas, you really can't place what exactly it is that's wrong though, this whole situation just feels far too unreal. Waking up feeling weak in an unfamiliar place that is probably some sort of private hospital? Sounds like the set-up to a movie or something. You try to think what could've landed you in this room, likely some sort of private hospital room based on the complete lack of any sort of decoration. It's just a functional room with a wardrobe and a bed. You certainly don't remember having the sort of money that would allow you to afford something like this, and then to your complete horror you realize that you can't actually even remember your name.You simply stand in the center of the room in stunned silence, trying to recall what your name is but failing completely. You can't even remember what letter it started with. You try to remember something else important you, like the name and faces of your parents.Again you find yourself unable to recall the names and faces of the people most dear to you, you recall having a brother and a sister too, but you can't remember their names or faces. You can't even remember what your own face looks like. The worst part is that everything else seems unaffected, you can remember your life up to this point with stunning clarity, it's only the faces and appearances of all within the memories that seem to have been wiped clean. Black silhouettes taking the place of the people you know are dear to you.You clutch your forehead in distress. What... what happened to you? What's wrong with your body? What's wrong with your mind? None of this makes any sense! You can't remember how old you are, you can't remember your own face! You can't even remember your own name!You fall to your knees and look at your shaking hands, far far smaller than the hands you feel like you ought to have. Your mind seems to be in complete conflict with your body. You need to find out what's going on as soon as possible. Find a doctor maybe, find anyone that might be able to explain just what's going on with you. Is this even real? Are you trapped in a dream that has fooled you into believing it is true, maybe some sort of coma you can't awake from?
The thought that you might be in a coma causes you to start shaking even more, but you can't just kneel on the floor forever. You need to find out what's really going on, you can't allow yourself to speculate any further lest you just end up making things even worse.You rise to your feet again and begin to properly look around the room, though you freeze only a few seconds after you do. Right there, in the mirror, is your reflection. A young boy with curly blue hair and gray-blue eyes stares back at you through the mirror, and you somehow immediately recognize him, despite him being a little younger than you would expect. No, not as yourself, but as a fictional character of a series you are really quite familiar with. Shinji Matou.You fall backwards as you stare at the mirror, the reflection copying your every move. It's at this moment you clutch your head again, not in confusion or distress, but in sheer pain. Two sets of memories colliding and fusing together as two souls merge into one. The soul of a young boy from a tragic family of magi, and the extra-dimensional soul of an intruder into his universe become one. Just as you gain the boy's memories, he gains your own. A determination to become a magus despite a lack of any sort of power, the revelation of the accident leading to his mother's death and the quiet days of the seven year old boy's life fusing together with your own apparently incomplete memories. The memories that this world he occupies is one of fiction, the future having already been written and his being a grim future indeed. The two souls fuse into one gestalt entity eventually, a soul greater than the sum of it's parts.The revelations the two souls undergo causes both of them to scream in panicked confusion, shortly before passing out entirely on the wooden floor of the room. The room Shinji, or rather, 'you' had been sleeping in while studying abroad at an old property 'your' family owned in the countryside of England. While Shinji is quite unaware of the truth of why he was sent away, you know the truth why he isn't in Fuyuki. You seem to be somewhat capable of thought even despite having passed out, how very strange.The Fourth Grail War, the ridiculous competition between seven magi and seven heroes where they all kill each other to see who can claim the magic wish granting cup as their prize. Of course, the story is all a complete lie. Doubly so with the presence of Angra Mainyu in the grail. The true purpose of the grail is to open up a path to the Root, and with the Zoroastrian god of evil hiding within it, it can't even do that without bringing about untold disaster to the human race.
Eventually, your eyes open again, and you see a woman with brown hair and a t-shirt and jeans looking down at you while you lay on a sofa in the house's living room. Monica, going by Shinji's memories, a woman hired by the Matou to keep watch over you for the duration of the Fourth War. Some kind of spellcaster maybe? Or just a completely mundane babysitter? You can't really tell. Though with the way the woman is looking at you coldly as you lie on the sofa, you can't help but feel like she's far less compassionate than her appearance would lead you to believe. She only looks to be about 22 years old, yet those eyes just give you a bad feeling about her.>Ask Monica what happened to you and if you managed to hurt yourself from falling.>Ask Monica where exactly you are right now.>Ask the woman to you about herself.>Just remain silent and look at the women with a blank expression.>Freak out.>Write-in...>>Extra Vote: Speak to Monica using your knowledge of English, or Shinji's knowledge of Japanese?>>English>>Japanese
>>4318551>Ask Monica what happened to you and if you managed to hurt yourself from falling.>Ask Monica where exactly you are right now.>Freak out.(In that order)>Japanese
>>4318551>Ask Monica what happened to you and if you managed to hurt yourself from falling.>Ask Monica where exactly you are right now.>JapaneseSHINJI ISEKAI OUT OF NOWHERE
>>4318551>Freak out.>Ask Monica where exactly you are right now.>English
>>4318546IS THIS IT BROS? IS IT FINALLY TIME FOR THE LEGENDARY QUEST?
>>4318551>Ask Monica what happened to you and if you managed to hurt yourself from falling.>Ask Monica where exactly you are right now.>JapanesePretty sure Shinji was in England during the 4th HGW so he probably can speak English but just to be on the safe side
>>4318546>A Shinji Isekai QuestYou absolute fucking madman.
>>4318603Well somebody had to do it, right?
>>4318551>Ask Monica what happened to you and if you managed to hurt yourself from falling.>Ask Monica where exactly you are right now.>Japanese
>>4318551imma humor you,Sir.>Write-in.."Did I overdo on my autoerotique asphyxiation hobby again?">>English
The bravest qm to ever post.> Freak out> Japanese
>>4318551>Thank her for helping you>Ask Monica where exactly you are right now.>Extra Vote:>Russian
>>4318686I know the logic that Shinji should possibly be somewhat fluent in Russian thanks to the Matou's origins as the Makiri, but are you sure that your babysitter is going to be fluent?
i kinda wanna figure out if we inherited all of Shinji's intelligence now, he's supposed to be a polymath that can do anything he sets his mind to besides magic, so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for him to know a few languages at an age where picking up languages is easy
>>4318551>>Ask Monica what happened to you and if you managed to hurt yourself from falling.>>Ask Monica where exactly you are right now.>>>Extra Vote: Speak to Monica using your knowledge of English, or Shinji's knowledge of Japanese?Perfect ancient Sumarian
>>4318693Might need to check her credentials if she is not.But I guess I`ll go with>JapaneseAs most likely option since>your knowledge of EnglishMight threw her off since resident memories of native speaker will make it obvious that Shinji should not be able to use foreign language and some local language quirks to that extent in conversation.
>>4318704Already gearing for Gilgamesh`s route?
>>4318701Yeah, but on the other hand, Zouken is the only person near Shinji who would plausibly know Russian, and he has no reason to speak it or teach it.
>>4318546It'll be fun while it lasts, but you're going to regret deciding to run two quests at once, What. I just hope your Castlevania quest is the one that survives.
>>4318708Gil is my second or third choice.
>>4318717what are your other 2 choices, i wanna know so i can help or hurt you
>>4318716I'm confident in my ability to maintain a consistent update schedule for two quests at once, anon.Even if I cut into the time I ought to be sleeping to maintain that schedule. I'm committed.
>>4318551>Ask Monica what happened to you and if you managed to hurt yourself from falling.>English.
>>4318719Assuming none of the meme servants I want are available, number 2 is Nobu. Number 1 is pic related.
>>4318725we're gonna nuke Fuyuki if we summon magic man, so i'm with you on this choice
>>4318720I believe you're committed. I was committed too, when I tried it, and there have been plenty of other QMs who've tried the same. It's rough on your creativity, not just your schedule. Good luck, anyway; hope you fare well.
>>4318551>Ask Monica what happened to you and if you managed to hurt yourself from falling.>Japanese
Looks like >Ask Monica what happened to you and if you managed to hurt yourself from fallingfollowed by>Ask Monica where you are right now wins.And you'll be asking her in Japanese.
>>4319051>Not perfect ancient sumarian.0/10 Shinji
>>4319134Are you assuming that the person who was reincarnated was a professor of middle-eastern historical linguistics? I realize you're joking around, but there's no reason for us to be able to speak a dead language.
>>4319161we also have 10 years to prep for the HGW so i think we can bang out learning Ancient Sumerian in half a year
>>4319214Why would we learn Ancient Sumerian though.We have lots of work ahead of us developing our All-Fiction Reality Marble.
>>4319225>not wanting to be best bros with Gilanon...
>>4319235>Implying Gilgamesh would ever lower himself to having a friend other than EnkiduCome on, anon. Best anyone can do with Gil is 'entertaining subject'.
>>4319235>>4319240He loosens up after being Kogil and learns to make new friends. >>4319051Hey Whatis, you suggested the Isekai dude we're playing knows about Fate. Just what is the extent of his Fate Knowledge? Is he a casual gacha whale or a full on fate neckbear?
>>4319257He's read the VN (and Hollow Ataraxia) and is familiar with a large portion of the rest of the Nasuverse. He'll be able to recognise most any servant that has had a presence in another Fate series, but he won't be able to perfectly remember entire scenes word for word or the abilities of more obscure servants. So it's somewhere in-between, I suppose.I might put a Bo3 D100 system in place with dice to determine how well you can remember certain more in depth pieces of information. As an example, the password in German to deactivate the defenses on the Tohsaka manor would require a roll of 100.How does that sound?
>>4319272i am fine with this but slightly disappointed that (You) aren't a massive fate neckbeard
>>4319272>He's read the VN (and Hollow Ataraxia)Oh good. So who's up for stealing the Kaleidostick from Rin and then giving it to Illya for adorable shenanigans?
>>4319272As long as he understands that Illya is best girl and FGO is canon-defying nonsense, I'm happy.
>>4319282she's kind of a psycho until Shirou gets ahold of her, unless maybe we decide to start doing stuff early and get Rin and Shirou to raid the Einzbern Castle
>>4319285>FGO is canon-defying nonsenseI mean, worrying about canon relating to Fate in the first place is an effort in futility. It's best to take a stance of "Who gives a fuck" and veer toward something actually fun like Carnival Phantasm.
>>4319285Do we want to go for the Illya route then?I'd be all for it.
>>4319290I'm a VN purist, and will maintain that it was more fun than anything Fate-related since, including Carnival Phantasm. I get that that's a personal opinion, though, and everyone has their own preference.>>4319291Absolutely. Especially while she's at her most psycho.
>>4319289As long as we tell Rin that's she's worst waifu. >>4319301I mean, VN is okay, but I feel Fate is at it's best when it stops taking itself seriously and has fun. Otherwise it's alot of really pretentious drama.
>>4319306I like pretentious drama, and feel Fate is at its worst when it stops taking itself seriously and has "fun". Well, almost at its worst. Fate/Zero and FGO both have their serious moments, and they're a whole lot worse than Carnival Phantasm.
>>4319315See, I almost get you, but then I remember that all that pretentious drama is literally just a vehicle for sex scenes with worst girl and genderbent king arthur that the series keeps pretending doesn't exist, and I can't take the VN seriously at all. And then shit like the Fourth Holy Grail War Race happens and it's better then any route in the VN, it's primary drawback being you need to have knowledge of the VN in the first place to understand why it's so good.
>>4319322>Fourth Holy Grail War RaceFifth Holy Grail War Race. I have no idea why I was thinking Fourth.
>>4319322To me it seems as though you like comedy and dislike what was core to early Nasu works.
>>4319315>>4319322we do have a lot of downtime, 10 years isn't gonna be just prep right? We are probably gonna hangout with Shirou and everyone else before letting them in on The Plan (tm)
>>4319322Like 3 short scenes in a 60 hour game. Yeah, totally a vehicle.Some of the stuff in Carnival Phantasm was pretty funny, yeah, but there's no comparing a bit of comedy to the emotional impact of the original story.Seriously though, it's pretty clear we want and enjoy totally different things from the franchise. I've been having basically this same argument with fans of Extra, or Phantasm, or FGO for years, and I've come to the conclusion that there's no point in arguing over it when our ideas of "good" are this different. Let's agree to disagree.For the record, I liked the slice of life and comedy elements of the VN too. The need to have everything serious almost all the time is a big part of why Zero is so bad. I just thought later installments went way overboard with that idea of "not taking anything seriously".>>4319332Definitely. I very much hope this quest isn't just devoted to acting out the plan people were tossing around in the /a/ threads, because that would be pretty disappointing.
>>4319335i am in invested in being best bros with Shirou before the inevitable waifu wars, i don't want him to die alone in Syria
>>4319328That's one thing that's happened to the franchise and fanbase over the years. Fate has had so many spinoffs and so many writers involved with it that there's a pretty big section of the fans who think of themselves as liking Fate without really liking Nasu at all. I don't know if pink anon is one of them, but there are plenty of them around.>>4319338I'm for making the Wakame Paradise route a reality too, anon. It's gotta happen.
>>4319328>dislike what was core to early Nasu works.I like Notes. It's my favorite Nasu work, I consider it literally Peak Nasu. >>4319335>Like 3 short scenes in a 60 hour game. Yeah, totally a vehicle.Everything is a vehicle for the waifus and the porn, why do you think FGO does so well. >The need to have everything serious almost all the time is a big part of why Zero is so bad.At least we can agree on that. Fucking Urobutcher. >acting out the plan people were tossing around in the /a/ threadsWhat was the /a/ plan and will it interfere with stealing the kaleidostick and magical girl shenanigans?
>>4319349basically, get All Fiction, get Medea, bathe in Dragons Blood, get every servant on your side to gank Gil, profit
>>4319350Not going to lie, that's a dumb plan.If we're going with dumb plans, I'd like to suggest:>Get Black Barrel, shoot Gil.
wait so is this purely FSN or is Tsukihime also happening in this timeline?
>>4319350I thought developing the All-Fiction Reality Marble and bathing in dragons blood with Rin were different plans.Like, the dragons blood route was developed while people were developing alternatives to the All-Fiction route.I definitely want to get All-Fiction though, it's too good an opportunity to pass-up.
Let's just take things as they come, see what What does with the premise, and try to use our metaknowledge without making an obnoxiously grandiose and intricate plan. Can we do that?>>4319360According to a Nasu interview that's fundamentally impossible, but of course the QM's word is law.
>>4319361technically, we can do both, Dragon's Blood just requires us to get Medea to summon her dragon and get Archer to kill it with Anti-Dragon NPs
>>4319363We should at least put:>Save Illya>Turn into Magical Girl>ShenanigansInto our bucket list.
>>4319369Dunno about the other 2, but the first I'm completely supportive of.
>>4319350I never understood the All Fiction thing.
>>4319369I'm with you on >Save Illyaat least. Followed by>Romance Illya
>>4319371>>4319375Well I mean, if we're saving Illya anyways, we might as well get the Prisma Illya route going.
>>4319371i am completely supportive of 1 as well>>4319372pretty simple, reality marbles require you to have an alien mindset, well uh, being isekai'd into a fictional world kinda embeds you with an alien mindset by default since FSN is fictional, and if everything is fiction, it doesn't exist, if it doesn't exist, it can be erased
>>4319377I have a few problems with that. Illya in Prisma Illya is a totally different character from Illya in Fate/Stay Night (best girl in the franchise), so a step toward that timeline would lead to unpleasantness for me at least. I also resent Prillya as the subpar replacement for the Illya route we never got.Ruby could be a pretty fun companion, though.
>>4319381>so a step toward that timeline would lead to unpleasantness for me at least.Yes, but it'd be pleasant for me.>Illya in Prisma Illya is a totally different character from Illya in Fate/Stay Night (best girl in the franchise)A better Illya. A more fun Illya.
>>4319388Man, we really are completely at odds. Prillya is basically just a stock loli archetype. F/SN Illya is an actual character. There's no contest. The F/SN version is more fun.
>>4319381>>4319388We can't even create that timeline anyway because it diverged before the 4th HGW right?
>>4319398We totally can't. The kaleidostick does exist in Hollow Ataraxia though, so presumably does in this timeline, so anon is suggesting trying to nudge this world toward that one by making Illya a magical girl.
>>4319379But wouldn't entering the world make it more "real" for the MC?
>>4319397>F/SN Illya is an actual character.She's not really an actual character. She's just a mess of neurosis with an incest fetish tacked on. That's not more fun, that's just a plot device.Prisma Illya has actual friends and character growth. >>4319398The kaleidostick exists in hollow ataraxia, Rin keeps it locked in a box. So we steal it, steal Illya and do something more fun then "Oh no, evil mud and worms." with our metaknowledge.
>>4319379>>4319413I'm pretty sure to create a reality marble, we have to be super autistic. Like autistic to the point we entirely reject this world as fictional at all times, in all interactions and proceed that way. It's not really worth it, IMO.
>>4319306Nah the visual novel is amazing and made me cry
>>4319416No, you just need a mindset alien to the world.Being from a completely different universe in which this one was fiction is pretty alien.
>>4319423Pretty sure you need to reject this reality and replace it with your own.
>>4319415Prillya has friends who carry the show for her and character growth that follows the most predictable, bog-standard mahou shoujo arc around. The series is a yuribait parody that the author decided midway through that he wanted to make a serious story out of, and it's never recovered. I'll reiterate, F/SN Illya is the only one of the two who is a real character, and is miles more fun than Prillya.That aside, I'm really surprised you're participating in this quest, considering how much your dislike of Fate/Stay Night shows through in your posts.
>>4319423I can understand MC having the potential for a reality marble, but I don't think being isekai'd would create the "everything is fiction" mindset needed for something like All Fiction without some severe autism.
>>4319443>F/SN Illya is the only one of the two who is a real characterIllya is less of a character then Avalon. Fuck, even the evil mud and worms gets more development.Prisma Illya is way more fun. >REEEE GET OUTJust curious, are you the autistic fuck who runs the other Fate quest? The one where the MC is a clone or some shit and gets cucked by the waifu people actually liked while he tries to push some shit tier side bait.
Woah woah woah!Could everyone just calm down a little?We're all here to have a good time, aren't we?I don't want the quest exploding into bad feeling like this.We are one post in!Everyone just take a moment to calm down, please?
>>4319455I didn't tell you to get out, I just don't understand your motivation. I don't like Warhammer 40K, and I don't go into quests in the setting airing my complaints about it and trying to make it more like things I do enjoy.
>>4319462It's a Fate quest, I didn't expect it to go any other way then this. Get used to it, it won't change.
>>4319469I'm not the only trying to make it solely about F/SN here though. You've been constantly pushing "REE F/SN is the best." "REE Everything else is shit." No matter how much you dislike them, FGO, Fate/Zero, Prisma Illya, Carnival Phantasm and all that other stuff is still Fate. Coming in here and going "Hey, I liked this Fate stuff, I want to play here." and throwing out ideas in that direction is perfectly reasonable. You're the only one who seems to have a problem with it.Fuck, even your example is flawed. Going into a general 40k quest and trying to nudge is more towards Rogue Trader, or Dark Heresy or what have you is perfectly acceptable.On top of that, I don't remember WhatIs saying this was ONLY a FS/N quest at any point. YOU are the one who made that assumption, just like you are the one who gets defensive whenever someone brings up an idea in a direction you don't like. As if the fact that YOUR personal dislike of something is enough reason to scrap an idea.
>>4319488I don't know why you're characterizing me as being so angry, either. It is a democratic voting system, I'm putting my opinions on the various suggestions out there like anybody else.As for my 'assumptions' about the timeline, the canon of the setting is that Fate/Zero and F/SN take place in a separate universe from Prisma Illya and Carnival Phantasm. FGO is iffy. So it's not really an assumption to look at what's already been confirmed to take place in that timeline as having nothing to do with the others. You've been pushing your view of things at least as much as I have, and been just as dismissive of parts of the franchise as I have. With that in mind, I'll reiterate. Let's agree we want totally different things from the franchise and the quest, call it square, and not argue anymore, alright? You don't want the quest to be like F/SN, I don't want it to be like Carnival Phantasm. You don't think F/SN Illya is a character, I don't think Prillya is a character. Great. We're even and we've both made our perspectives more than clear.
its funny how we're one post in and we're already fighting lmao, i fucking love Fate so much
>>4319462This is the Fate you chose.
>>4319502>the canon of the setting is that Fate/Zero and F/SN take place in a separate universe from Prisma Illya and Carnival Phantasm.Canon is well and good, but we are in a 4chan quest. Until it is straight up confirmed we are abiding by canon, assume we're not. On top of that, we are in an Isekai Quest, with metaknowledge. Which means we can change canon, making it even more irrelevant. >You've been pushing your view of things at least as much as I have, and been just as dismissive of parts of the franchise as I have.No, see I've been throwing out ideas. You've been reeing about how everything that isn't FS/N sucks. I have yet to see one post from you that wasn't autistic rambling about how you hate anything that isn't FS/N.
I just wanted to say that I am really loving this quest one post in lmao.
>>4319520You also haven't seen any personal insults from me, but I've seen plenty from you. Just what is your problem, anon? You really can't take an olive branch when it's offered, even though the QM also asked for peace? Just drop the attitude already.
>All this arguing about timelines and waifus>When we're already best waifu Shinji and are on the path of the Wakame route
>>4319462Should've learned from Sweets' example that the Fate community on /qst/ is full of complete assholes
>>4319542>You also haven't seen any personal insults from me, but I've seen plenty from youI have made a single personal insult, that was directed toward the guy who ran that one fate quest I was referencing. Unless you are him, you're now crying about being called autistic on 4chan, in which case I have to wonder if reddit is more your speed.
>>4319560If you really believe you've only made a single personal insult, I suggest you re-read your posts. It may be the norm, but it still leaves you whole lot ruder than I am, and since you started this ridiculous oneupsmanship by complaining that my opinions about what we should do are somehow less worthy of being posted than yours for the sole reason that they're negative, I'll stand by it.One more time, there's no reason for us to still be arguing. Drop it.
If you're going to find out more about just what's going on, you suppose that this babysitter who's been hired to look after you is your best bet. "M-Monica-san?" You call the woman's name in Japanese while she looks at you the woman says nothing, and simply stares at you with more intensity. Who on earth decided to employ this woman to watch over a child? She's clearly horrible with children! Well, logical deduction could really only pin the blame on Zouken for hiring a woman like this to look after a child. Honestly, if it were possible, you're pretty sure that the heartless old bastard would've tried to hire Kiritsugu to look after you. "Can... can you tell me what happened? Did I hurt myself?" You reach a hand up to the back of your head to touch it, feeling a nasty bruise on the back of your head. For a second you feel like asking her what actually happened to cause you to wake up in Shinji's body, but that's just going to end up with an immediate sealing designation courtesy of the Mage's Association for you if anybody finds out.The woman looks at you with an awkward expression, then seems to think on what to tell you, apparently having to think about her sentences before responding. "You passed out. Nearly managed to smash your head open. You are lucky I was here to help, otherwise you might have... really ended up hurt." The woman's Japanese is clunky, but otherwise functional. She tries to give you a reassuring smile as she finishes speaking, but fails pretty spectacularly, instead her smile is just kind of nerve-wracking. This woman is clearly not used to looking after children, and would almost certainly be more comfortable hunting down some dead apostle or rogue magus than she would be looking after some snot nosed brat belonging to a rich family of magi for a week.Still, despite the woman's rather rough mannerisms, she's not really somebody you could call unattractive, not by a long shot, though such thoughts are quelled very rapidly. One set of 'your' memories might have been through about three decades of life, but 'your' other set of memories and the body they occupy are just 8 years old. With that in mind, you really aren't in any position to start thinking about women in such ways. "Oh... well, thank you for helping me, Monica-san!" You simply end up deciding to thank the woman for helping you out. For all you know, she had to use magecraft to heal you and you smashed open your head completely on the floor. It's not like she would tell a child.The woman frowns as she looks at the child offering her his heartfelt gratitude "It's... nothing. I don't get paid if you end up hurt." The woman responds to your thanks coldly, almost rejecting it entirely. "Just try not to hurt yourself again." She then finishes off her response with a rather cold command. You would hope that there's some sort of genuine concern behind the command, but it's either non-existent or the woman is way too good at masking her emotions.
"O-oh..." You can't help but sound a little upset at the woman's cold response. Seems that the body of a child and the original Shinji's mind is having more effect on 'your' own mind than you would honestly like it to have. Though you suppose it does you the favor of allowing you to act more convincingly like a child. You really can't imagine how Monica might respond if you simply talked like a fully developed adult and somebody with more life experience than she herself does. Well, it would probably end painfully for you, actually. Last thing you want is to be suspected of being some sort of malevolent entity possessing a child. Things are probably going to be hard enough for you without being mistaken for some sort of Roa-esque being. "W-well, where are we right now anyway, Monica-san? I don't think you ever told me.""You never asked me to tell you that. In fact, this is what, the third time you've actually spoken to me in the month I've been here watching you?" The woman stretches and yawns. "Really, I've never known an eight year old to be so dedicated to reading. Shouldn't kids like you want to watch TV or something?" Her Japanese is still a little clunky, but she's obviously getting a little more comfortable with using it."I... I don't think that the television is very interesting." It's true for both sets of memories residing within you. Shinji far prefers reading, and your memories of the cheap shlock produced in massive quantities a few decades from now have really sullied the idea of television forever.Monica however seems a little confused by your response, though you are also just as confused by her own reaction. "Huh. You're really kind of a strange kid, arent'cha?" What sort of magecraft user is actually competent with technology? Worse, what kind would actually enjoy television to the extent of being confused at seeing somebody who doesn't? "Well, if you want to know exactly where we are, we're at a house your family owns in Roehampton, a... district of London." Wait, your in London? Then doesn't that mean that the Clocktower is only a stones throw away from where you're currently staying? "You'll probably be heading back to Japan in a week or two anyway. I got the call from your father while you were out cold." She looks kind of uncomfortable as she mentions your injury.You can't help but wonder what might become of this woman in the future, if she truly is a spellcaster, then the odds are that she'll just end up getting herself killed on some mission in the next few years, and despite the front she seems to be putting on, you feel like there might just be a decent person underneath that act. Maybe the act of being near somebody who is just a child has made whatever face she would normally put up near others slip a little.
Still, you have your answers now, and you're a little better informed about what you ought to do next. With this new information fresh in your mind you...>Politely thank Monica and return to your room to think about what your ought to do next, of you are to survive.>Happily thank Monica for her help and ask her a few more questions. (Ask her what?)>Offer to watch television with the woman. It can't hurt, can it?>Look for the books Monica mentioned and start reading a few of them. Hopefully there's a few books on magecraft there too. Shinji hasn't gone through them all yet.>Write-in...
>>4319574>but it still leaves you whole lot ruder than I amOh god, someone's rude on 4chan. Whatever shall we do, this is unprecedented. >One more time, there's no reason for us to still be arguing. Drop it.You know what, I will start personally insulting you. You first, bitchboy.
>>4319586>Offer to watch television with the woman. It can't hurt, can it?Seems like the nicer approach than just bombarding her with questions, plus we got a week of time and there's probably gonna be way more useful magecraft books in the Matou house, not like there's anything that special in London right?
>>4319586>Offer to watch television with the woman. It can't hurt, can it?
>>4319586>>Offer to watch television with the woman. It can't hurt, can it?
>>4319586>Offer to watch television with the woman. It can't hurt, can it?I like Monica
>>4319586>Look for the books Monica mentioned and start reading a few of them. Hopefully there's a few books on magecraft there too. Shinji hasn't gone through them all yet.
>>4319586>Politely thank Monica and return to your room to think about what your ought to do next, of you are to survive.
>>4319586>Offer to watch television with the woman. It can't hurt, can it?Just in time to watch Wrestlemania X live.
>>4319272How predetermined Isekai dude is?Does he has some skills and knowledge that can be abused? Like betting on major sports or political events like Yugoslav wars? Perhaps we can get some patents with future knowledge?
>>4319874switching to >>4319586>Look for the books Monica mentioned and start reading a few of them. Hopefully there's a few books on magecraft there too. Shinji hasn't gone through them all yet.
>>4319431>>4319447You don't need autism or anything in order to develop a Reality Marble.All you need is a mindset that runs counter to the rest of the common sense of the world, and knowledge of bounded fields.Mages who become vampires only take around 120 years to develop their own, because even with their understanding of the universe going counter to what most of humanity believes to be true, most still behave within the bounds of what could be considered human, and their mindset reflects this.Coming from a completely different universe altogether and knowing that it's all a novel you read is a common sense that nobody else would have developed, except other universal travelers.The real challenge for Shinji will be gathering the energy to maintain the bounded field that would contain the Reality Marble outside of his body, the passive effects it has on him should be interesting though.
>>4319962>betting on major sports and political eventsWhile these things will likely turn out the same way as they did in reality, you'll need to roll to recall the less obvious things. Like the winners of World Cups or 9/11 would be automatically recalled, but other events will require a roll.For (you), these things occured twenty five years ago. Same story goes for trying to patent future inventions.Inventing the Smartphone is going to hard, but stealing concepts like Facebook would be easy.(You) did have some mechanical and electrical knowledge, though.
>TV >>4319600>>4319606>>4319617>>4319618>>4319620>>4319913>Books>>4319640>>4319697>>4319874>>4319971>>4319980Looks like watching television has maintained the lead. 30 minutes till vote is called.
You look at the muted television on the far side of the room for a while, then you look at Monica. You suppose that it can't hurt to spend some time with this woman. Who knows, she might just be useful to you in the future depending on how competent she is as a spellcaster. God knows you have a long and difficult road ahead of you back in Fuyuki. Not counting Grandfather, Sakura, Illya and Gilgamesh are the three that concern you the most. Illya and Sakura both being responsible for killing Shinji in different routes, and Gilgamesh responsible for turning you into the grail. Of course, you'll hopefully have an easier time with stopping Sakura from having a meltdown, but Illya is going to be far harder to get through to. "Monica-san, can we watch some television together?" You don't really mind what she chooses to watch, but you may as well put the disarming appearance of your body to good use by seeing whether you can befriend this woman in the few days you have remaining with her, a good chance for a practice run, you suppose. "Huh? You actually want to watch TV now? Sure... I guess." Monica shrugs before she starts fiddling about with the remote and switching the channels around on the large CRT television. It's clear she couldn't possibly be a true magus, not after showing the ability to use a television remote without trouble. Thinking back to the problems you're going to face, you start thinking about the Einzbern's lesser grail for the Fifth War, not only is Illya protected at all times by that unstoppable force of destruction she calls Berserker, but she's also unlikely to open up to anybody except Shirou himself. You don't quite know how exactly you're going to even get close to the girl to speak to her before being flattened by Berserker. The only positive to dealing with her is that she'll likely consider you as something more like a worm to be crushed underfoot. Not exactly a nice thing to compare yourself to, but even that is better than being an actual target for the deceptively violent girl. Of course, you aren't sure if you'll even receive that offer for a do-over whenever you get yourself killed, and there's no way to actually find out if you do have such a privilege, even if you did end up going to the Dojo after death, you wouldn't be able to remember it anyway. How bothersome.
The TV channels are flicked through rapidly until it seems Monica settle on watching an episode of Friends. How humorous. Though even stranger is the realization that Friends would technically be an almost brand new show at this point. Actually being in the past, even if it is the past of a fictional facsimile of the world you know, is a truly strange feeling. No more a strange feeling than being in a fictional world though, when you think about it. What could have happened to have caused this to have happened in the first place? Assuming this isn't just some incredibly lifelike dream or a coma, then what could it have been? Zelretch playing around with the Second True Magic? The work of a powerful wizard like Merlin? The work of a TYPE? Perhaps even the work of one of the mysterious Outer Gods of Lovecraftian lore? At this point, speculation is pretty meaningless. Zelretch is about the only person you could possibly reach and even that would be a massive long shot.The episode of Friends plays as you continue thinking things through, Monica is actually somewhat engrossed in the brand new episode of the show, but you've already seen it, so it's pretty boring for you. Not that you had much interest in watching TV in the first place. Instead your thoughts move back to resolving things in a way that won't get you killed. Gilgamesh is a terrible pain to deal with, yet not impossible, thankfully. You've got at least two paths that will lead to his defeat that you can count on. You could have Saber take care of the pretentious King of Heroes with Avalon, or you could have Shirou challenge the king's pride by challenging him within his reality marble, Unlimited Blade Works. You end up completely losing yourself in your thoughts and zoning out, merely sitting in front of the television and only appearing to be watching the sit-com with Monica, who herself is too entertained by the show to bother paying much attention to you.Then your thoughts shift to the easily most possibly problematic member of the three potential enemies you'll face. Sakura. You wonder if you could prevent her from ever losing control to the darkness growing within her if you were simply to treat her better than how Shinji originally treated her upon finding out about her true purpose to be the 'heir' of the Matou family. Though you'll still have to work around the heartless monster you call Grandfather. Though it might be possible to extract his worms from Sakura, there's not really a path you can think of that will allow you to do such a thing until after the fifth war has begun, operating on her to extract the crest worms that will end up fusing with her body with Avalon ought to be possible. As would asking Caster to assist you in actually saving your adoptive sister. Though getting Caster's assistance might not be viable.
Still, for all your plans and the information of the future, you're going to run into quite a few problems. Your first problem being that of every master in the Fifth Grail War, Shinji is easily the easiest to kill. Even with Rider at his side, he's basically a joke. You subconsciously frown at calling yourself a joke, but as much as it might bring you displeasure, it's basically the truth. Therefore, you probably ought to start planning on how to survive the future properly, through bettering yourself. So, over the few days you have before heading back to Fuyuki City and the Matou mansion you...>Focus on physical training and fighting skill. It's unlikely you're going to have any talent in magecraft, after all.>Focus on learning as much about magecraft as you possibly can, it's not impossible to cast spells, even without magic circuits.>Focus on getting more charismatic and being better at manipulating people. You hold all the cards, but a terrible pokerface could stand to ruin it all.>Focus on trying to learn about Reality Marbles. If you recall correctly, you might just be in luck when it comes to constructing your own Reality Marble.>Focus on learning more about the world around you. Of course, you're probably in the Fate/Stay Night timeline as seen in the Visual Novel, but Monica ought to be informed enough about the world to answer a few questions.>Write-in...
>>4320416>Focus on getting more charismatic and being better at manipulating people. You hold all the cards, but a terrible pokerface could stand to ruin it all.
>>4320416>Focus on trying to learn about Reality Marbles. If you recall correctly, you might just be in luck when it comes to constructing your own Reality Marble.
>>4320416>Focus on learning as much about magecraft as you possibly can, it's not impossible to cast spells, even without magic circuits.We don't even need to cast it just knowing how this shit works is helpful.
>>4320416>Focus on getting more charismatic and being better at manipulating people. You hold all the cards, but a terrible pokerface could stand to ruin it all.We don't have time to turn into some sort of Kung Fu magus and can't into magic. Others will have to serve as our sword and shield.
>>4320416>Focus on getting more charismatic and being better at manipulating people. You hold all the cards, but a terrible pokerface could stand to ruin it all.Original timeline Shinji put his all and everything into learning magic, supposedly, and it did nothing for him, so I don't think learning it is likely to help us any more. I'm tempted to vote for the Reality Marble idea, but I feel like if we have one it'll develop naturally and if we don't have the talent it'd be an awful waste of time. Bettering our social abilities should give the most payoff for the time investment, and has the best chance of putting our metaknowledge to use.
>>4320416>>Focus on learning more about the world around you. Of course, you're probably in the Fate/Stay Night timeline as seen in the Visual Novel, but Monica ought to be informed enough about the world to answer a few questions.
>>4320416>Focus on trying to learn about Reality Marbles. If you recall correctly, you might just be in luck when it comes to constructing your own Reality Marble.Even if activated for a brief moment, a reality marble would be very valuable. We already kinda have an alien common sense coming into this world knowing it’s a fictional work so I think it would be well worth the effort.
>>4320416We might get better results in magecraft than canon Shinji did but it is probably mostly useless given how fifth war goes so>Focus on trying to learn about Reality Marbles. If you recall correctly, you might just be in luck when it comes to constructing your own Reality Marble.
>>4320416>Focus on learning as much about magecraft as you possibly can, it's not impossible to cast spells, even without magic circuits.Someone with no skill in magecraft whatsoever will take years to construct a Reality Marble.>>4320447There ARE ways to use magecraft without magic circuits. Formalcraft is a notable form of magecraft that uses only external mana.Of course, most magi look down on it because you have to perform lengthy rituals for every spell, but it's better than nothing.
>>4320485Actually, correct that: someone with no skill in magecraft will probably NEVER construct a Reality Marble.
>>4320486Doesn't Shirou barely have any skill in magecraft if any and still manages to use UBW. Tracu On and all?
>>4320493Those are functions of UBW, not spells.
>>4320485>There ARE ways to use magecraft without magic circuits. Formalcraft is a notable form of magecraft that uses only external mana.I'm aware of this. My point was that as far as I know Shinji is supposed to have spent all the time he could learning those methods in the original story (The Book of False Attendant is a formalcraft-based mystic code, for example) and things still didn't work out for him in any route, so we might want to take a different course.
>>4320504Sorry, I should have clarified. I mean that Shirou was able to make a reality marble despite his lack of practical magecraft knowledge. I figured that since our character is not from the setting itself, it would be leagues easier to create one by the sheer fact of being some extra-dimensional nerd possessing this poor boy. Remember, we have the experience of an outside observer to the setting as fictional works, or at least a good part of it. Oh also Satsuki got a reality marble stupid quickly after getting DA’d, so it’s not unreasonable for someone like our character to be able to attain one.
>>4320510Didn't Shinji nearly kill everyone with a mystic code that poured drugs on Sakura? These things aren't weak and I think we need a grasp of how magecraft works for future problems.
>>4320518The real question is, how much of a nerd are we?
>>4320416>Focus on getting more charismatic and being better at manipulating people. You hold all the cards, but a terrible pokerface could stand to ruin it all.>>4320518Didn't Satsuki get her Reality Marble because she was a latent psychic that got activated after she turned though? Shinji's from a Mage household and they'll have checked him out to see what his capabilities are, if they said he can't do Magecraft at all then he wouldn't have the ability to force his reality onto Gaia.
>>4320416>Focus on learning more about the world around you. Of course, you're probably in the Fate/Stay Night timeline as seen in the Visual Novel, but Monica ought to be informed enough about the world to answer a few questions.Why go for magic powers when you can be worldly anyway?
>>4320416>Focus on trying to learn about Reality Marbles. If you recall correctly, you might just be in luck when it comes to constructing your own Reality Marble.I just wanna see if anything has changed, but its likely that we're gonna have the same results as canon Shinji.
I just fucking realized something, couldn't we use Monica as a lifeline to Waver? Kid Shinji isn't gonna be able to do shit, but if we were to write a letter that details conversations and events that only Waver would know, then we can convince him to be apart of The Plan (tm)
>>4320540Quite frankly we can just walk away from whole mess at the right moment and go into investing and banking with future knowledge.
>>4320526Shinji has magic circuits, they're just completely fucked and needed to Grail to force jumpstart them, maybe getting DA'd would produce similar results? But that's kinda chancy and even if it works, we're gonna have to start eating people
>>4320547its 1994, Facebook was created in 2004, so around the events of FSN, Google was created in 1998, so 4 years from now, literally, its just a waiting game
>>4320543I presume the first fuyuki war is over. Still, it might also be possible to get in contact with Marisbury Animusphere or if he's dead Olga Marie.It's also less of a risk, because Clocktower sees their theories and ideas as abstract and impractical.
>>4320554Shinji Matou, the famous genius behind cryptocurrency.
>>4320564I feel like it'd be much easier to convince Waver than Moneybills, getting to Waver gets you access to Marisbury, Clocktower, but also Gray. Allying with Waver can really put things in our favor, whether it be jumpstarting Avalon or getting one of Solomon's rings
>>4320574Yeah, I know. Just throwing it out there as an idea since we might not even have a chance to talk to Waver.
Fellas, how in the fuck are we gonna unlock our circuits without grandpa finding out.
>>4320414>Of course, you aren't sure if you'll even receive that offer for a do-over whenever you get yourself killed, and there's no way to actually find out if you do have such a privilege, even if you did end up going to the Dojo after death, you wouldn't be able to remember it anywaythinking about this line a lot
>>4320576we get the fuck out or get worm'd
>>4320577Oh shit, that gave me an idea. Let's go see if we can get into Ahnenerbe.
>>4320416>Focus on trying to learn about Reality Marbles. If you recall correctly, you might just be in luck when it comes to constructing your own Reality Marble.Fellas don't forget that Magic Circuits are dependant on the soul.Now that anon is occupying his body he very possibly could have functioning Circuits.
>>4320577Also, anyone else want to go to Misaki Town and see if we can find Shiki and Arc? They'd be nice to have backing us up for the Grail War.Though we'd probably have to help deal with Tsukihime bullshit too.
>>4320701we have no idea if this verse has both Tsukihime and FSN bullshit wrapped together
>>4320707Well, I mean. That's what the option to ask our babysitter is there for. But even if we don't, it wouldn't hurt to take a week off and see if it actually is.
Haha we’re tied
>>4320753we can make this into a reality fellas, we just need Waver
>>4320416>Focus on learning more about the world around you. Of course, you're probably in the Fate/Stay Night timeline as seen in the Visual Novel, but Monica ought to be informed enough about the world to answer a few questions.I know that every day counts when prepping for the 5th Heaven's Feel but I think learning more over training would be more helpful. Plus Monica might be helpful later on as a connection in London/Clocktower if she sees SI Shinji as a cute earnest kid
>>4320416>>Focus on learning more about the world around you. Of course, you're probably in the Fate/Stay Night timeline as seen in the Visual Novel, but Monica ought to be informed enough about the world to answer a few questions.Nice hook.
>>4320416>Focus on trying to learn about Reality Marbles. If you recall correctly, you might just be in luck when it comes to constructing your own Reality Marble.I would say make a fuck ton of explosives over time to blow up the great holy grail but I dont remember if that's plausible or not.
>Charisma up>>4320425>>4320438>>4320446>>4320447>>4320526>Playing with marbles>>4320431>>4320466>>4320483>>4320535>>4320541>>4320655>>4320758>>4320835>Worldly Wisdom>>4320451>>4320540>>4320788>>4320802>Magecraft 101>>4320439>>4320485Will call the vote in 10 minutes.
After a moments consideration, you conclude that the best path for you to take would be to potentially develop a reality marble by learning as much about the concepts behind them as you can. Of course, reality marbles are quite the taboo subject among the magical community. The magecraft closest to approaching the level of True Magic, of course, information about how you would actually go about creating one would be kept as secret as possibility by the practically anyone with the knowledge. It's difficult getting a magus to pass on even the most basic mystery, never mind one willingly disseminating information on creating one of the greatest examples of magecraft possible in the modern world.Still, with what you know about the existence of reality marbles thanks to the time you spent immersing yourself in the lore of the Nasuverse, you're pretty hopeful that you might just qualify as being able to create a reality marble with a little more ease than the normal magus. After all, if Alien Common Sense is a requirement for creating a Reality Marble, and Shirou's self-destructive beliefs allowed him to manifest Unlimited Blade Works, then what would the knowledge that the very world itself is all just a fictional story do? Best you not think about the fact that right now, the reality you are currently residing to you feels about as real as Friends must feel to Monica. Is it possible for you to go back to your original life? Did you perhaps die? What happened that led to this occurring to you of all people?Regardless of your knowledge of the truth behind the world's existence, you still actually need to try to find out how to develop your reality marble. You suppose that learning about the basics of bounded fields ought to really help you out in that regard. A reality marble is some sort of internalized bounded field that can be projected outside the body, if you are remembering things correctly. Hopefully at least one or two of the books in this house are focused on the creation of bounded fields. While it's unlikely any of them will actually have usable bounded fields, figuring out the basics behind their creation will hopefully make your job much easier, you can already tell that you're going to have a difficult path ahead of you, when it comes to creating a reality marble. Though at least you aren't going to hide in a storage shed and superheat your spine every night for half a decade like some people might... you know, you probably ought to get Shirou to stop doing that when you meet him.
You certainly aren't stubborn enough to go through the terrible process of 'creating' a magic circuit by cannibalizing one of your own nerves to do so. Shinji isn't like Shirou though, who had his own bunch of magic circuits just going unused because Kiritsugu is apparently just as bad a teacher as he is a husband. You turn to the spellcaster still watching the television, Friends ended at some point, and now she's watching some sort of documentary with a barely interested expression. "Monica-san, I'm going to read for a while, OK?" You get up from your seat.She lazily looks at you before shrugging. "Yeah, sure kid. You go do whatever you want." With that, you take your leave of the spellcaster and head to the bookshelves in the house. Annoyingly enough, most of the grimoires and volumes in this house are of very little value, most of them only existing as decorations for this secondary property of the Matou. You imagine if this house was ever host to any truly valuable magical information, it wouldn't have been for very long. Zouken would've seen to that. Despite his ancient status, the old man remained fairly shrewd up until his final moments. Even after losing sight of his original goal, Zolgen Makiri never became a man to be trifled with foolishly. It was his machinations in Heaven's Feel that allowed Medea to be taken out with such ease, if you are remembering things properly.You wander around the shelves to look for a few books that might serve at least some purpose for your current goal. While actually learning how to create a reality marble might be easier if you had the assistance of some prodigy magus like say, Rin. If Shirou Emiya was capable of creating one, and Satsuki Yumizuka was also capable of the creation of her own reality marble, surely it can't be that difficult when the pieces are actually in place for the marble to be created. Hopefully, your theory about Alien Common Sense holds at least some water when it comes to the creation of a marble, otherwise you stand to waste a lot of time.Over the next few days, you spend most of your waking hours consigned to the library of the house, reading the books that were too difficult for a child's mind to comprehend, as well as the books you obviously weren't intended to read at all. Shinji's understanding of the English language before your intrusion into his body was... limited, to say the least. Most of the information written in the books you find is contradictory in nature, and it takes a fair amount of cross referencing between multiple books on the creation of bounded fields until you feel like you've actually managed to come up with a suitable method to weave magical energy into a network in order to create a bounded field. The only issue, is that no matter how satisfied you might be with your newly created technique, you can't actually test it without any magic circuits.
Monica occasionally came to watch you over the week as you rifled through the various books like a man possessed, obviously fairly impressed by the work ethic of an eight year old boy apparently desperately trying to find out how to do something. To her, it might look like the work of a young prodigy as he tears his way through multiple books in record time. Though by the way the frown never leaves her face, you'd probably say it's a fairly safe bet that she's aware of your lack of magical energy. Still, you've managed to satisfy yourself after dissecting the multiple diagrams in the books, it's odd. You feel like separately, neither set of memories occupying your body would've been able to so thoroughly pick apart all that magical theory, just through cross-referencing it against each other theory, you managed to create your own method of constructing a bounded field, all by yourself.Now the next challenge you're going to face is going to well, actually getting a hold of magical energy somehow. Of course, formalcraft rituals do exist, and it's not actually impossible to simply cast spells with just the mana found in the atmosphere. Still, you'll need to find a way around Shinji's lack of magic circuits if you ever want to be taken even somewhat seriously by anyone in the magical world.Eventually, your study is interrupted by Monica, who calls out to you. "Shinji...-kun, I've just been informed that your father will be arriving in the next fifteen minutes or so, so you had probably better finish up your studies." Despite not really spending all too much time with the spellcaster come babysitter since the two halves of 'you' became one, she seems to have a visibly better disposition towards you. You don't really understand why though, it's not really like much changed in how you acted after learning of this prior life and of the falseness of reality. You just upped the intensity of research is all. Unfortunately, the content of her order is of far more concern to you than how she feels about you right now. It seems that your brief period of freedom from the insidious evil that is your grandfather is about to come to an end. You wonder how your father is coping with losing one of his hands to Kiritsugu, you do hope that he isn't driving, as pathetic as you think the man is, he's still your father, and the complete destruction of his ego at the hands of Zouken is yet another crime you intend to make that old bastard suffer for.>Accept your fate and go back to Fuyuki with Byakuya.>Attempt to convince Monica to let you go with her instead. (How do you go about convincing her?)>Just attempt to flee the house before your father arrives. With any luck you'll be able to make it to the Clock Tower to speak with Waver.>Write-in...
>>4321099>Accept your fate and go back to Fuyuki with Byakuya.Let's not go completely off the rails.
>>4321099>Accept your fate and go back to Fuyuki with Byakuya.>Ask Monica if she's going with you toothinking about this logically, even if you somehow manage to escape and get to Waver, he's still too young and inexperienced to do anything worthwhile, he isn't El Melloi II yet. Our absolute best bet at the moment is to try to keep in contact with Monica to get to Waver, if not, well, we gotta rely on a dying Kiritsugu to get to Waver
>>4321099>>Attempt to convince Monica to let you go with her instead. (How do you go about convincing her?)Beg. Like seriously attempt to get her to let us apprentice with her for a few years. She seems to be a decent mage and this is our best shot to not follow the rails back to Fuyuki.It'll give us more time to learn the state of the world and to try and learn magecraft/marble too. Or do you expect Shinji's grandpa to actually help with that.
>>4321099>Attempt to convince Monica to let you go with her instead. (How do you go about convincing her?)
>>4321099>Attempt to convince Monica to let you go with her instead. (How do you go about convincing her?)I was honestly thinking about accepting fate, but that would also mean being in the constant watch of old man Zouken and being at the mercy of his lovely worms. We gotta stay the fuck out of there, at least until we are capable of defending ourselves in some capacity. Dad’s pretty much dead anyways and there’s a worm pit with our name on it if we do something fishy at Zouken’s place. We should try convincing Monica by whatever means we can to delay our arrival in Fuyuki, at least by a few years or more. There’s a few very useful potential allies here in London too so it’s not a waste of an option by any means.
You know I wondered, does anyone think we can get Kirei to remove worm from Sakura early? They wouldn’t have fused right away so there’s at least some time.
>>4321099>Accept your fate and go back to Fuyuki with Byakuya.I don't think going off the rails this early is a good idea.
>>4321257does Zouken even give a shit about Shinji enough to stop him from going out on his own?
>>4321264Kirei is going to screw you over in some way guaranteed, he thinks Zouken is disgusting but he still might take you to his basement and make you into mana batteries
>>4318546>FateHow fucking cringe
>>4321272>>4321118Supporting this too.
>>4321099>>Attempt to convince Monica to let you go with her instead. (How do you go about convincing her?
>>4321264kirei will find some way to fuck you over. You can think of every concievable option but he will probably still bend you over and fuck you just to see you cry
>>4321277>>4321331Yea probably a bad idea. I guess those worms are there to stay huh.
>>4321331>>4321340literally the best possible route with Kirei would just be for him to hold you over Rin as a constant reminder that you have Sakura and not her
>>4321099>Accept your fate and go back to Fuyuki with Byakuya.If we go too far off the rails, our knowledge of what happened and what didn't will have no value whatsoever.
>>4321555We'd still have our knowledge of everything else, which is still a huge advantage.
>>4321099>Accept your fate and go back to Fuyuki with Byakuya.Don't think begging will make her more likely to take us under her wing.I'd rather she be a clocktower contact for now.
>>4321099>Accept your fate and go back to Fuyuki with Byakuya.
Huh, looks like the vote is split 50-50 between going to Fuyuki or trying to run from it.That's quite surprising.
>>4321845One the one hand, Zouken.On the other hand, the Clock Tower.
>>4321099>>Attempt to convince Monica to let you go with her instead. (How do you go about convincing her?)
>>4321099>>4321257>Accept your fate and go back to Fuyuki with Byakuya.After thinking about it, I think I’m going to change my vote to going back to Fuyuki. Probably isn’t the best idea to go wild yet.
>>4321099>Accept your fate and go back to Fuyuki with Byakuya.Maybe ask her for a possible future contact method.
>>4321845zouken is a scary mother fucker that I do not want to deal with
>>4321845This is the long fabled Shinji Isekai quest, you should expect all the 50/50 ties /qst/ can muster at its most autistic.
We should avoid zouken and kirei as best we can
There's no sense in trying to run from it. While Zouken probably wouldn't care too much if you tried to run, you don't really have anywhere else to go. Sure, you could try to convince Monica here to take you with her and teach you the life of a freelance spellcaster, but you shouldn't actually have any magic circuits, so you'd probably struggle terribly if you actually had to help her on whatever missions she usually goes for. You might know how to use a gun and throw a punch, but when you're up against the Dead or Dead Apostles, you're really going to need more than mundane firepower.You suppose you're just going to have to play the part of an eight year old, then. Other than having information of how the future will play out, your one single advantage over Zouken is that the ancient magus thinks that you're just another worthless failure. He might end up using you to torment Sakura in some way, but other than that, he won't really care about anything you do. Byakuya isn't really much of a person anymore either. Between the destruction of the man's ego, his rampant alcoholism and now the horrible PTSD he must have from losing his hand, you can't see him ever being anything other than Zouken's puppet. He's just a completely broken wreck.Besides, if you avoided going to Fuyuki, you would miss out on the opportunity to at least try to make Sakura's life a little better. As well as not being able to meet Shirou or Rin, who could easily prove themselves to be both invaluable as allies, as well as friends. Shirou especially. There's a part of you that deeply wants to prevent the self-destructive idiot from stupidly giving himself a bad end, such a selfless person like Shirou doesn't deserve to end up like EMIYA, after all, there's definitely nothing wrong with the thought of wanting to help others.With an apprehensive smile, you finally respond to Monica. "Ah. Well, looks like we probably won't be seeing each other again then, doesn't it, Monica-san?" While you don't know much about the woman, it is something of a shame that you'll be unlikely to encounter her again. But you suppose that it really can't be helped. You can't reveal too much otherwise you'd just look incredibly suspicious. You're only eight years old right now, after all.
The woman laughs a little before handing you a slip of paper, some sort of business card? Reading the card, you finally learn her full name and her own description of her job, 'Monica Eisenmann, freelance security technician', as well as an address and a phone number for her personal offices. As you finish reading the business card, the woman smiles at you "Don't be like that Shinji-kun. It's probably a little wrong that I'm advertising my... business to a child, but you seem smart enough to understand just what it is I do." You freeze up a little. "Come on, I'm not stupid, you figured out what I really was last week, didn't you? I'm not sure how you managed it but I could tell from how you started looking at me." Oh. Well then. That isn't great. Though you won't be making the same mistake in the future. From this point on, your entire life will revolve around deception and manipulation, the full extent of your knowledge never being able to be revealed lest it give people the existential crisis such information may very well be able to cause.Needless to say, you're pretty stunned by how Monica just so casually revealed that she had seen right through you. "O-oh. Well... thank you, Monica-san, if I ever need a... freelance security technician, I'll be in touch?" You commit the phone number and address to memory. A contact like Monica could end up invaluable in the future, after all. "Just don't try to hire me to deal with school bullies or anything, alright?" The woman gives you a dangerous smile as she casually confirms the nature of her job as a 'security technician'. "If you ever get into trouble with some real dangerous people though, I suppose I can give you a discounted price to get rid of them." This... this woman, she's genuinely offering to be a killer-for-hire to an eight year old! Just how messed up is this world?! Wait... nevermind. You know exactly how messed up this world is, magi in general are all absolutely awful people. There's only a few exceptions to that rule, yet the vast majority of the most powerful and influential people in this world are arrogant imbeciles like the late Kayneth, or literal psychopaths like Zouken or Kirei. Thanks a lot, Nasu.
There are no more words exchanged between you and Monica. The whole offering to murder people for an eight year old thing has kind of made you a little uncomfortable, and it looks like Monica has also realized that too. So you just wait around for Byakuya to arrive, and after 20 minutes of waiting, your father finally appears through the front door of the fairly large house. The man looks really quite paranoid as he looks around the house, instead of greeting his son, he instead looks past you and into the shadows, as if expecting them to animate and attack him. That's what a visit from the magus killer would do to a man, you suppose. It's really quite funny, you're one of the few people on the planet who genuinely understands Kiritsugu's motives, to everyone else who knew of the Magus Killer, they would only have seen one of the most ruthless and effective killers on the entire planet instead of a man who genuinely hated doing what he did, sacrificing the few for the many."Otousan." You coldly greet the shell of a man as he peers into the hallway. Shinji's memories barely held any affection for his father, and the other set of memories has no real opinion on the man other than pity. "It's time to leave, Shinji." The wreck of a man's voice is quiet, there's hardly any light in his eyes at all. If Kiritsugu became a broken man after the conclusion of the Fourth Holy Grail War, then Byakuya was shattered into pieces a long time even before that. The only difference being that Kiritsugu managed to find at least some peace in the days before his death, despite his constant failures to rescue his daughter. Byakuya meanwhile will spend the next seven years of his life suffering thanks to Zouken before eventually dying a truly miserable death. "Of course." You really have nothing to say to the man, he's a lost cause in practically every regard. It's a sad thing, to have so little compassion for your father, but you'll need to prepare your heart if you are to make it through the next ten years. You refrain from asking him about his missing hand, no sense in potentially setting off any Kiritsugu-related PTSD he might have. You follow the man out of the house and into a waiting vehicle, looks like Byakuya hired somebody to drive the two of you to the airport after all.
The journey back to Fuyuki is a relatively uneventful one, and you arrive back at the Matou manor at around noon. You hardly share any words with your father, much to the man's relief, it seems. After informing you of your new sister that was adopted into the family, he didn't say anything else to you. Of course, with the part the man is playing in the... treatment Sakura is receiving, you know exactly why he isn't exactly comfortable with talking about her.As you pull up to the Matou mansion, you spot Sakura waiting outside the front door, apparently waiting for the arrival of her brother. The girl looks genuinely miserable, her eyes empty of any real emotion and her smile as fake as it could possibly be. She's trying her hardest to disguise the pain she's going through, and it might've fooled the original Shinji, but it won't fool you.>Simply introduce yourself to Sakura.>Hug her.>Just remain silent as you stare at her.>Write-in...
>>4322205>Hug her.There's no holding back
>>4322205>Hug her.This is probably a dumb thing to do, but what the heck. We've got to be the one person in her life to give the poor girl some real care and feeling.
>>4322205>Hug her.This is definitely a bad idea.
>>4322205>Simply introduce yourself to Sakura.Do not make waves.
>>4322250Shinji was nice to Sakura until it was revealed that she was the true Matou heir.Maybe not as nice as hugging her, but he was nice.
>>4322272 Let's make Shinji not a complete waste of human life, please, please...
>>4322205>Simply introduce yourself to Sakura.No way in hell that girl wants anyone touching her right now, even if she does deserve a hug more than anyone.
>>4322290Shit, you're probably right.>>4322243Changing my vote to>Simply introduce yourself to Sakura.
>>4322290Thank you anon, you have brought clarity to my mind. Maybe we can hug her at a more appropriate time in the future.>>4322210I change my vote to>Simply introduce yourself to Sakura.
>>4322205>Simply introduce yourself to Sakura.I wanna hug her so bad bros but that's not what a girl would want after what she's been through
Oh.I forgot to attach the image for Sakura on that last update.
And here's Shinji right now too, I suppose.
>>4322325Go back to hell Satan, I'm already sad as it is.
>>4322325Man, every image of this girl just radiates despair. If I were Kirei this would be my crack.
>>4322272not really, he treated her like a guard dog and pitied her cause he thought he was the big swinging dick of the family
She’s just tired from playing with the puppies!
>>4322205>Simply introduce yourself to Sakura.
>>4322284We went back to live under worm grandpa, we're already a waste of a human life.
>>4322205>>Simply introduce yourself to sakuraBest not be overly affectionate because zouken could easily turn that around
>>4322205>>Write-in...Don't say anything, just walk by her and apply headpats as we pass.
I'm ready for what's to come
>>4322445Maybe we can pick up Bajiquan and Taiga Swordarts since we're stuck in Fuyuki. We should also keep trying to awaken our Magic Circuits, I'd rather not have to rely on Zouken's worm book.
>>4322445We are going to drag this sadsack rapist to greatness, and we are going to do it with foppery and whim.
>>4322454the problem with awakening our Magic Circuits is Zouken. He's going to know almost immediately and we're gonna get the pit, basically, our best option would be if we get Magic Circuits, we run away to London or Misaki Town
thinking about it, Zouken might also just kill us later down the road if Sakura does fall for Shinji so she cracks, jesus christ, there's so many fucking bad ends.
>>4322205>>Simply introduce yourself to Sakura.Fostering immediate dependence seems bad.
>>4322472Yeah, that's one of the main reasons I didn't want to go back to Fuyuki. Because it fucks us over so hard development wise.I mean, we could always spend a few years in Fuyuki and then call Monica and ask if we can apprentice under her. But unless we pick up Taiga Swordarts and/or Baijiquan while we're here, we're just wasting time.
>>4322486Anon, going to Fuyuki is pivotal to success. Kiritsugu is still alive, we go to his house and convince him to actually teach Shirou (also promising him to save Illya because god fucking dammit he deserves to die happy) and get Rin to become his mentor early on, he'll get a jumpstart on UBW and we'll up our survival chances and gain useful allies. Plus, its not like Zouken will complain if his worthless grandson is courting a Tohsaka with success
>>4322472We should read all the books we can in the Matou house before we try awakening our Circuits.Zouken should find it hilarious how hard Shinji is trying and allow us to learn as much as possible.When does Kuzuki become a teacher? It may be worth it to learn how to become a walking Magic Circuit from him.
>>4322500I thought he didn't have any Magic Circuits and Medea just did some magic fuckery to stay alive
>>4322505His style of matial arts turns his way of existing into a Magic Circuit.
>>4322500>It may be worth it to learn how to become a walking Magic Circuit from him.Don't you have to be born with the ability to do that?
>>4322510If you do, then with Shinji's adaptability it's surely possible for him to accomplish.
>>4322500also, this would basically be going the canon route because this is what Shinji did when he thought he was the heir, so not too bad to do this.
>>4322496I'm all for going to Kerry and seeing what we can get out of him. But convincing Kerry of anything will be an uphill battle and I don't think Fuyuki is as pivotal as you believe. Like I said though, we're here, so we need to try and pick up Baijiquan and Taiga Swordarts before vanishing for a few years before the grail war so we can get magic circuits.
>>4322521We know the events of his life, it'd be easy to convince him that we know where Shirou is heading and how it might be in his best interest to actually teach him how to effectively use magic.
>>4322521>>4322532also Kerry has got some connections that would prove useful down the road if we decide to run away
>>4322535Yup, Kerry seem like our best bet no matter how I look at it.
>>4322542I mean, there's always Kirei. Have I mentioned I really want to pick up Baijiquan?
>>4322600I DON'T WANNA BECOME A MANA BATTERY FOR GIL ANON
Why don’t we get Kiritsugu to blow up the great holy grail
>>4322619he has magic AIDS
>>4322608Speaking of Gil, we should add Kogil to our friend circle along with Shirou and Rin. Also, it'd be fine. We could probably talk him into teaching us just because it'd piss off Zouken.
>>4322625It’s not bad enough to where he can’t plant some explosives is it?
>>4322633>it'd piss off Zoukennah i'm good>>4322639i'm not so sure Kiritsugu has enough explosives is the thing, plus, would we really want to do that? Medea can probably fix the Greater Grail or we can just get Saber to destroy it when the time comes
>>4322648Medea wouldn’t be around to fox the greater grail if we destroy it before she gets summoned
>>4322619>>4322639Kiritsugu actually does plant explosives on a leyline that would destroy the grail, but it would've done so in a few decades.He's not expecting the war to start in only ten years.But disregarding Kiritsugu there is another reason that you might want to have the grail remain in a usable condition...
>>4322654yeah but why would we want to destroy it? Seems pretty neat to get Shirou a waifu
>>4322648>>it'd piss off Zouken>nah i'm goodI mean, it's all about playing Kirei and Zouken off each other. I'm pretty sure all of the big fuyuki mages hate the shit out of each other. We just invite him out, butter him up with some mapo tofu, and talk about how much Zouken sucks.
>>4322679>and talk about how much Zouken sucks.We would die before this conversation would end.
Ok I might not be able to get another update done tonight but let me just do a quick vote tally...>Hug>>4322229>>4322257>>4322333>Simple introduction>>4322250>>4322290>>4322302>>4322313>>4322320>>4322380>>4322399>>4322485>Drive-by headpat>>4322403
>Anons talking about collab with KireiGuys, betrayal makes him spiritually hard. please think about this.
>>4322711So does fucking with people and doing his very srsbns job. It'll be fun.
>>4322663It’s the Kerry philosophy
You have to suppress the urge to just outright walk up to the girl and try to comfort her. With all she's been through so far, the last thing she really needs is for a complete stranger to start laying their hands on her. As much as it pains you to see the girl obviously suffering like this, you'll just have to try to bear with it for now. You can't really go ahead and start acting too strangely just yet, while Zouken himself doesn't give a rats ass about you, he'd definitely notice if you got too attached to your new sister too quickly.He would also likely use you as leverage over Sakura, if he realizes there's a genuine positive emotional connection between the two of you, he might end up organizing your death just to break the girl even further mentally. In the Matou manor, it's going to be kill or be killed, but unfortunately for you, your opponent is a five hundred year old magus who is almost impossible to actually kill unless you are willing to kill Sakura as well, and killing Sakura... well that's just completely out of the question, the girl doesn't deserve any of the suffering she's forced through. Silently, you once again curse the creator of this world in your head. While it might've made for a good story, actually being confronted with somebody who is suffering so much like Sakura is enough to almost break your heart.You clench your fist. You have to stay determined, if you allow yourself to falter, then only a Bad End will await you. You've already come to terms that in this new life of yours, death will only ever be one misstep away. You aren't going to let that stop you though. It would probably be wiser for you to just run away from it all. But you mustn't run away. You look the melancholic girl straight in the eye as you introduce yourself, trying to keep the look of pity and sadness out of your own expression. "Hi! You're Sakura right? I heard that you're my younger sibling now, aren't you?" The girl's expression hardly changes, but she does nod slowly. "W-well, if I'm you're older sibling, then that means it's my job to protect you, doesn't it?" The girl looks at you with a tiny amount more intensity, before it once again fades away into that blank look that causes you to feel second hand sorrow for the poor girl.
The girl runs a hand through her hair slowly, stopping as she reaches the ribbon that Rin gave her. "Is that what older siblings are supposed to do?" Is all that she says before she turns around and re-enters the house. You stand there, motionless as you watch the girl walk away. Did you... accidentally remind her of Rin? Her reaction was quite rude, but faulting her for it would be idiotic. You can't help but curse mentally as you realize your mistake. But you aren't about to be deterred by Sakura's complete lack of emotion. Of course, before she was given a breath of life by watching Shirou's magical woman attracting high-jump, she'd still be an emotionless husk. Getting Sakura to start acting like a human being once again is going to be quite a difficult task, and your family name certainly isn't going to help either.Byakuya doesn't even really pay much attention to the exchange, simply shuffling inside the house like the broken man he is, probably to either indulge himself in his alcoholism or whatever else it is he does in his spare time when he's not busy being Zouken's puppet.You start to think of just what you ought to do, you might only be an eight year old right now, but with the knowledge you hold, making changes to the future would be simple. You just have to know what to do and when to do it. Even so, you will probably have to be careful not to reveal too much to whoever you end up talking to. For example, telling Rin about what's really going on with Sakura or that Kotomine is the one who murdered her father and was indirectly responsible for her mother's brain death is just going to lead to the young magus to get herself into a situation that will invariably end up with her dying, and probably also your own death, depending on how investigative the person she goes after is feeling. Of course, you could also visit Kiritsugu, and try to convince him using your knowledge of the future. But he's a truly broken man now, and it might not be possible for you to motivate him. Though you are fairly certain he made repeated attempts to save Illya from her fate as the Einzbern's grail, even despite his constantly worsening condition. Though Kiritsugu is far wiser than Rin is, and attempting to talk with him might just end up with him wondering just how you know everything you do. But then again, how would the man react if you simply told him some embellished version of the truth? Why you could even lie and say you saw it in a vision, or you have some for of Mystic Eyes that allow you to perceive the future and the past of both this timeline and others. Though you aren't sure if anybody would buy the notion of you having mystic eyes like that.
Then there's the possibility of going to the Emiya residence not for the sake of speaking with Kiritsugu, but for befriending the young Shirou. He is the main character of Fate/Stay Night after all, and with the right guidance, he could be the greatest asset you have for solving the Fifth Holy Grail war. Of course, you don't quite know what sort of reaction EMIYA might have upon seeing Shinji acting so... well, Out of Character. Would the red garbed Counter Guardian just write it off as a quirk of this particular timeline? You don't really know.Another option would be to visit Fuyuki Church, an idea that you completely dread when thinking with any sort of rationality. While you might be able to ask Kotomine to teach you in the art of self-defense with his admittedly excellent skills with Bajiquan, he's incredibly unpredictable, and might just want to see you suffer somehow. Of all of the options you have laid before you right now, there's not much that you can think that's more dangerous than interacting with Kirei Kotomine. Like Shirou is the main protagonist of Fate/Stay Night. Kotomine is the main antagonist, so actually interacting with the literal psychopath could net you a one way trip to the Fuyuki Church basement.Well, you're only eight years old, so it might not even be possible to get around Fuyuki city without being stopped and asked where your guardian is. At least you aren't likely to be stopped from going about your business by your actual guardians though, Byakuya is a wreck and Zouken doesn't care about you at all. You suppose you could always head inside the house to try to read the more valuable magical tomes and grimoires of the Matou. Or even to try to cheer up your sister, you aren't really happy with the way that your first encounter with Sakura went at all.>Go inside the Matou Residence and try reading a few of the grimoires>Go inside the Matou Residence and try to find Sakura and get her to open up a little (Anything specific you want to tell her?)>Head to the Tohsaka Residence and try talking to Rin. (Anything you would like to say to try to get her to listen?)>Head to the Emiya Residence and try talking to Kiritsugu to ensure he assists you. (How much would you like to reveal to try to get him on side? How will you explain your knowledge?)>Head to the Emiya Residence to instead try to befriend Shirou.>Head to Fuyuki Church to talk to Kotomine, you're hopeful that the priest wouldn't just strike a child down for his own amusement. (Talk to Kirei about what?)>Write-in...
>>4322809>you're older siblingKill me.
>>4322814>Go inside the Matou Residence and try to find Sakura and get her to open up a little (Anything specific you want to tell her?)I JUST WANT SAKURA TO BE FUCKING HAPPY BROS I CAN'T. Also, it'd be fucking weird to show up to the Tohsaka or Emiya Residence unannounced and say "hey I wanna be friends with you" or "hey, i'm from another universe and i have information that can change your life". We should wait until we actually go to school and befriend Shirou and Rin naturally and hangout at their house
I wanna go bully hunting with Shirou though, first chance we get
>>4322814>>Head to the Emiya Residence and try talking to Kiritsugu to ensure he assists you. (How much would you like to reveal to try to get him on side? How will you explain your knowledge?)As far as I'm concerned, this is the only option. I am dying to see how this turns out.
>>4322814>>4322837Absolutely agree. Supporting this.
>>4322837>I JUST WANT SAKURA TO BE FUCKING HAPPY BROS I CAN'T.I feel you bro.>Go inside the Matou Residence and try to find Sakura and get her to open up a little (Anything specific you want to tell her?)Say you can be secret friends, but no one can know.>>4322814After that having ACTUAL friendship with Shirou would be nice so we have some backup when talking Kiritsugu aka Kerry aka Kirito.
>>4322811>before she was given a breath of life by watching Shirou's magical woman attracting high-jump, she'd still be an emotionless huskObviously we must begin practicing futile athletics.>>4322814>Go inside the Matou Residence and try to find Sakura and get her to open up a little (Anything specific you want to tell her?)Try to act friendly while staying as much in-character as possible. Basically just try to find out more about her and talk her up the way an actual kid our age would on being suddenly handed a new sibling (without being the kind of prick Shinji would be, of course).More important than this choice in particular, though, I'd vote for anything to keep us away from Kiritsugu. Nothing good can come of getting involved with him; if we meet Shirou before he's dead, it should be at school only.
>>4322864>as much in-character as possibleno.
>>4322864>>4322855>>4322837>>4322846Can we please not paint a target on our back for Zouken after being explicitly told getting too attached would paint a target on our back with Zouken?
>>4322875Well we don't wanna be a dick to her anon, plus we're probably gonna have to run away or go into hiding eventually if we actually try to jumpstart our magic circuits.
>>4322864>Try to act friendly while staying as much in-character as possible.These two are not compatible.
>>4322885Not being a dick to her is precisely what will get us that target. She'll grow attached because we aren't a dick, then we get worms up the ass.And no shit we'll have to run away, but you guys wanted to come back to fuyuki, let's not immediately throw that away.
>>4322895There's a simple solution, all we have to do is kill Zouken
>>4322904How do you propose we do that as an eight year old with no training, no magic and no support?
>>4322814>Go inside the Matou Residence and try to find Sakura and get her to open up a little (Anything specific you want to tell her?)Ask her about herself, what she likes to do, things like that.>>4322875If we get far enough into the development of our Reality Marble we should be able to survive any of Zouken's execution attempts.You can't be nice to Sakura and not make yourself a target for Zouken, and I'd rate being nice above our potential demise.Besides, he's likely to let our relationship develop for a while before offing us to show Sakura how little control she has.
>>4322895well its not like he's gonna kill Shinji the moment he realizes that Sakura loves him. He didn't do anything to Shirou or Rin until the HGW. If anything, Zouken would let those feelings stew until he kills Shinji. Also Sakura isn't dumb, she knows what's gonna happen if her feelings are known to Zouken
>>4322814>Go inside the Matou Residence and try reading a few of the grimoiresAnything else would be too suspicious.
>>4322814>>Go inside the Matou Residence and try reading a few of the grimoires
>>4322909carefully but quickly
>>4322814>Go inside the Matou Residence and try to find Sakura and get her to open up a little (Anything specific you want to tell her?)Actually, it wouldn't be too unusual for a little kid to be interested in his new sister. Better be careful about how much affection we show her, though, because Zouken is always watching.
so what can kill Zouken? We know Kirei can? But what about a healed up Kiritsugu? Or Rin after her training?
>>4323016Anyone can kill Zouken if they can find his core worm.Tracking it down is the hard part.
>>4323027isn't it in Sakura's heart?
>>4323031I don't know when he did that implant. It could've been immediately, or it could've been later.Kids are fragile so I'd assume he'd have done it when she could handle herself well.
>>4323031probably wasnt immediately. Remember, he didn't think Sakura would even survive as long as she did.
>>4322814>Go inside the Matou Residence and try reading a few of the grimoiresGet working on that marble if that is to be our path
>>4323041yeah Sakura is one tough bitch
>>4323027We do know, however, that he plans to hide it inside Sakura. Getting it out is the problem, because the only spiritual doctor in Fuyuki is Kirei.
>>4323072We could recreate the heavens feel route but trigger dark Sakura in a different way
>>4323080Heaven's Feel requires a lot of dead servants and I ain't killing Shirou's waifu for that. Plus uh, Dark Sakura is the last thing we need to deal with
>>4322814>Go inside the Matou Residence and try reading a few of the grimoires
>>4322814>Go inside the Matou Residence and try reading a few of the grimoiresDidn't OG Shinji spend ages studying Magecraft before Zouken broke him? This seems like the safest option since it's closest to "canon".
>have an established and successful Castlevania quest with OC characters and plotlines and high player engagement>start an isekai fate quest strictly following canon with the least tolerable fanbase predicated entirely upon metagamingI genuinely don't understand. What gives OP? This is garbage.
>>4323173off topic, but is the Castlevania quest worth reading if i haven't played any of the games?
>>4323180Absolutely. I've never played a Castlevania game and I'm invested enough in that quest to venture into this cesspool.
>>4322871>>4322890In-character as a child I mean, so as not to attract undue attention. That's why I pointed out in the same post that I didn't want to act rude or supercilious, the way Shinji actually would.
>>4322814>Go inside the Matou Residence and try reading a few of the grimoiresRin is gonna be sad since her dad is dead, her mom is insane, and now her guardian is a weird priestThe Emiya household is just going to be a wreak since Kiritsugu is trying to pick up the pieces and Shirou hasn't learned to human again yetSakura needs time to get used to SI Shinji and just seeing him becoming the one fixture in her life that doesn't cause her pain will have her want to be near himWould want to go to the church to, not for Kirei but to see if you could talk to Gil and see if he takes a liking to you just like he did with Kirei
>>4323173Now that's just uncalled for.It's not impossible to write two quests at once anon. I just wanted to try writing something a little different from my usual quest.Also this idea has been eating away at me for like a year now since I first saw it, and I just wanted to see it executed. Please understand. It's not like I'm ever going to drop Castlevania, so you needn't worry about that.And as for the whole metagaming aspect, I just thought it was a neat idea for a mechanic.
>>4323173>strictly following canonSome of us are trying to derail that train. You're welcome to stay and help.
>>4322814>Go inside the Matou Residence and try to find Sakura and get her to open up a little
You know, despite having both Shinji's memories and (You)r own, it looks like (You) [name pending] are in control and Shinji's personality doesn't have much presence. Does that mean he's watching someone else pilot his body, helpless to do or say anything?
>>4323375Not quite, it's more the two of your souls fused into a single gestalt existence, the reason (You)r personality took charge is a combination of the greater life experience and a few other reasons.While 'you' are Shinji as much as you are (You), the Shinji parts are far less pronounced.And without further ado, let's take a look at the current votecount...>Try and speak with Sakura>>4322837>>4322846>>4322855>>4322864>>4322910>>4322996>>4323365>Talk with Kiritsugu>>4322844>Read>>4322920>>4322926>>4323049>>4323085>>4323110>>4323232Looks like Sakura is winning the vote right now.Will call the vote in 30 minutes if there are any last minute votes.
>>4323083I love saber I don’t want to kill her either I love her
>>4319225What? Having isekai dude being able to manifest fictional characters as some sort of mini-army?
>>4323581Morel like being able to delete anything in the radius when deployed, and surviving any fatal attacks when not.
>>4323582Huh. I was thinking something like what Caster Gilles does, but more along the lines of>character X can manifest fictional characters into the physical world, with all their powersets and memories and everything intact from the end of their series, at the cost of energy>if character X dies, all manifested fictional characters die instantly irregardless of their current health conditions>character X can create duplicates of fictional characters and merge them to power them up, but this costs energy as well>character X can recall fictional characters to X's own location at will>character X can damage or delete manifested fictional characters at will, as well as alter them (i.e. buff, debuff, etc.), all at the cost of energy>if a fictional character dies, they stay dead and all information they had accumulated is lost>if a fictional character is remanifested, they are the same as if they were manifested from nothing to begin with (i.e. reset)So basically more of a puppeteer, info-gathering sort of powerset. What do you think?
>>4323582he would also be able to monitor their conditions remotely, as if in an RTS
>>4323595That sounds overly complicated, almost like a Yu-Gi-Oh card description.
>>4323599literally just RTS but with fictional characters as your units, apply various effects to those units, and you can also merge duplicate units together to permanently upgrade them, and if you die all your units die too
>>4323600Still sounds overly complicated.
>>4323602what part of it is overly complicated? point it out for me
>>4323605You have to remember our QM would have to keep track of it all, also I don't have the faintest clue as to how would you balance all of that to not be either overpowered or borderline useless.
Why don't you go for TATARI in reverse?
>>4323595I think you're confusing reality marbles with stands.But you bring up a very good point, let's develop a stand.
I'm kinda hoping Dead Apostle Ancestors exist in this verse, if they are, then it can fast track us to gaining a reality marble
No. As much as it might help to maybe go and meet one of the people you'll be counting on to help you in the future, you can't just leave your first interaction with Sakura in such a bad place. You don't really know what you'll have to say to the girl, but even so, her misery is just something you can't tolerate. Somebody like Sakura really doesn't deserve her current situation. Honestly, Tokiomi was such a fool in sending his daughter of to be raised as a Matou that it's a wonder he didn't manage to get himself killed before Kotomine ran him through. Then again, everyone in Zero acted as stupidly as they possibly could to maximize the suffering. The thing is though, despite Zero being supposedly a direct prequel to Stay/Night, you're pretty certain that it's supposedly in a slightly different timeline thanks to Urobuchi being unable to stay within the lines. Ah well, it can't have occurred that much differently from your own recollection of events.You walk into the house, intending to find Sakura and try to make something of a better first impression of the girl. It's really not something that Shinji would've done before upon being so rudely rejected, but you'd have to be completely heartless not to consider Sakura a special case. It's not like she would've ever acted like this to anyone if not for Zouken's horrible treatment of her. You can barely even stomach imagining the appearance of those disgusting crest worms now. Just knowing what goes on down in the Matou mansion basement is enough to make you want to burn this place to the ground. But you can't act hasty, and the destruction of the Matou manor would undoubtedly leave you deprived of whatever grimoires that the Matou have gathered in over five hundred years of their history. Also, it wouldn't even kill Zouken, and he'd quickly move to put an end to you if you decided upon such an audacious action.Zouken is the man who was slippery enough in his magecraft that he managed to deal with even Caster, the so-called greatest magus alive on the planet when she is summoned. Of course, this qualification of being so excellent at magecraft never stopped the tragic woman from failing at winning the war. Honestly though, with the presence of Gilgamesh in the war, there was really no possible path for victory for her. Even if she tried to pit Kuzuki, Assassin and a stolen Saber up against the King of Heroes with herself acting as support, you can't see the battle ending in any way that ends in her victory. She either gets impaled by swords along with Kuzuki and Assassin, or she simply gets crushed by Gil deciding to use Enuma Elish against Saber. You shake your head to clear your mind of these thoughts. You're getting distracted, right now, the future doesn't matter.
All that matters for now is trying to help Sakura. It might bring you into direct conflict with Zouken's goals, but even if he decides upon killing you at a later date to exert his power over Sakura in an effort to mentally dominate the girl, you'll be ready for him. That worm bastard is going to die suffering, and you don't even care if you have to get Kirei Kotomine to do it. Thankfully though, Kotomine isn't exactly the only member of the Church in existence, so having Zouken receive an exorcism might not have to rely on you being able to convince the fake priest into going along with your plans. Kirei Kotomine is a very dangerous man, and you don't really want to have to include him in any plan you might have for the future. Well, except maybe scheduling his death.Your thoughts turn to what you ought to say to Sakura as you ascend the stairs to head to her room. Should you apologize to her? What for? It's not like you're complicit in the horrible things happening to her, you're eight years old! You shouldn't even know what she's going through, never-mind care about her! Then the only solution you can take with Sakura is to be an overly affectionate older brother to her. It's really not ideal, but at least it won't be so suspicious that Zouken starts to look into things with more scrutiny. Of course, you doubt anybody would be able to come to the conclusion as to what you truly are, but he could easily surmise that Kariya revealed the truth of the Matou family to you before his death during the war. You slowly make your way to Sakura's room, pushing open the door to enter the almost completely undecorated room. The very same room that you might have ended up dying in during one of the many terrible choices Shinji would've made. Sakura is actually sitting on her bed hunched into a ball. She barely even makes a response as you enter the room, but she's at least aware of your entry. You clear your throat before trying to talk to the girl once again. "Sakura, I... I don't know what sort of stuff you're going through, but I... I don't want you to be sad." You pause for a moment, and regard the girl with a sad look in your eyes. "I'm not going to pry and ask what's wrong, and I'm not going to assume I know what's going on either." Of course, making an assumption that you know what's going on would be completely wrong. You know exactly what this poor girl is being put through, yet you manage to avoid showing your true feelings to the girl. "Why are you being nice to me? What's the point?" Sakura's voice is quiet as she finally begins to speak. The girl obviously has no idea what it is you're actually trying to do. But she doesn't bother to get out of her hunched up position, at least not yet.
"Do I need a reason to be nice to my little sister? We're supposed to be family now, Sakura" You lower your voice and flick your eyes about the room "...But we can't let the adults know we're friends, alright?" You mentioning your own distrust of Zouken in a roundabout way however does get her attention, finally raising her head to look you in the eye. "I... I don't know... Grandfather is..." She's clearly having some pretty major doubts about everything. Not that you blame her after what she's gone through. She's only what, seven years old? The fact that she's even capable of functioning at all is testament to just how mentally strong that she is. You distinctly remember what happened to Rin when she ran her mouth in the Femme Fatale ending. She broke down after only the first day of experiencing Sakura's training."It doesn't matter, Sakura! Why don't we go somewhere together? Get away from this gloomy mansion for a while, y'know?" If you're actually going to cheer Sakura up at all, then getting away from this place of suffering would really go a long way."Go... somewhere? But where would we go?" Sakura raises a good question, and one that gives you pause. You wonder if Sakura would even be able to enjoy anything right now. She'll appreciate being away from the mansion though, hopefully. At least Shinji has a huge allowance for a child as young as him. As terrible as the Matou might be, they aren't exactly tight on cash. getting>"How about a shopping center, like Verde?">"What about a park? I know just the place.">"We could go for a walk along the river, I suppose.">"We could go to the Miyama Town shopping district, I suppose?">"Where would you want to go, Sakura?">Write-in...
>>4323738>"How about a shopping center, like Verde?"Kids love places like that, full of brightly lit and twinkling shops hawking toys, trinkets, food, and clothing. It'll be fun. Maybe we can find a crane game and win her a plushie.
>>4323738>"What about a park? I know just the place."Sakura should at least have the chance at acting like a kid againPlus, who knows what other children might be there?
>>4323742IIRC from Zero the park is where she used to play with Rin, so I'm worried it'd be another 'reminding her of her sister' landmine, like we ran into when we introduced ourself to her.
>>4323725I have the perfect plan. Let's go to South America and call ORT a bitch. >>4323738>>"How about a shopping center, like Verde?"The gachapon shop is probably here, we can teach Sakura to play Capsule Servant!
>>4323738>"How about a shopping center, like Verde?"
>>4323738>>"We could go for a walk along the river, I suppose."Rivers always make me feel better and it's best not to ask her where she wants to go. She doesn't really even have a will of her own anymore.
>>4323738>"How about a shopping center, like Verde?"I really wanna fucking go to the park cause Shirou would regularly go there to go bully hunting and it would be a good way to naturally make his acquaintance but Rin also hung around there and idk how smart it would be to remind the 2 sisters of what they lost.
let's go back in time and kill toikome before he can go full retard and give sakura up
>>4323738>"How about a shopping center, like Verde?"We can always meet Shiro later at school.
>>4323738>>4323749>>"What about a park? I know just the place."changing my vote to this. I think it would be a great idea to meet shirou earlier on and use our meta knowledge to talk about magecraft and teach him better than kerry did and that way he is much more powerful and a better master.
What's so bad about the worms?
>>4323803Go away Zouken.
>>4323803They look like wieners.
Guys, this is how Shinji should look for the fifth.
>>4323738>"We could go for a walk along the river, I suppose."Rivers are pretty cool in anime.
>>4323818Did they censor Zouken's giant wiener sperm in later releases of FSN or something?
>>4323876Spray and pray through fifth war with 3D-printed origin bullets.
So, guys. What servants are we going to try and get catalysts for or are we just going to roll the gacha and hope we don't end up screwed?
>>4323969Let’s get Emiya
>>4323973Only if we get EMIYA (Assassin) or Detroit EMIYA.
>>4323969we don't really need to summon and it might be beneficial if we didn't, we could screw things up and make our meta knowledge worthless if we summon someone different. I think we should just let Sakura do her thing and find Caster before Kuzuki and pray she doesn't kill us for looking like Jason
>>4323969I'm pretty sure that as a child in Fuyuki we aren't going to have much in the way of chances to get a catalyst, so I'd lay my bet that Sakura will summon Rider as normal.
>>4323982Summoning makes us a target. Our foreknowledge means we could work best influencing events from the shadows through others.
>>4323982>we could screw things up and make our meta knowledge worthlessIt would not. All we'd lose is the ability to predict the routes. All the other metaknowledge we have, the identity of servants and their abilities, people and how they act, what artifacts and spells are and how they act will all be perfectly usable. Fuck sticking to canon.
Main problem with summoning and screwing up timeline is that our possible list of servants who can actually help us get to a good ending is rather limited.
>>4323974The most ambitious crossover on /qst/.
>>4323975I’m confused i thought Emiya was inly archer is this some grand order shit. Emiya is potentially broken if we keep him under control and don’t let him go after Shirou
>>4323999It gives us more of a chance at a good ending then sticking to canon and following the routes does. Fuck, that's why we should be training ourselves in magic, martial arts, whatever while targetting the catalysts for one of those good end servants.
>>4324010Also sticking to cannon is no fun
>>4324010So, putting aside the EMIYA variants (they're from alternate timelines and the future so getting a catalyst for any would be either insanely difficult or just impossible) who do you think those Servants might be, what do you think their catalysts might be, and how do you propose we plan to get them?Personally I think our best chance of success lies in working with the pieces we're most familiar with, the canon characters of the 5th HGW, but if you've got a really solid plan I'm open to changing my mind.Personal training is a given necessity, although there's no way Kirei or Kiritsugu is going to give us anything worthwhile. I'd say chatting up Kuzuki would be our best bet for becoming a fighter. We know his wacky punches work on Servants, too.
>>4324009Yes. EMIYA (Assassin) is Kerry, and Detroit EMIYA is EMIYA corrupted by Kiara which turns him into a black man.
>>4323974Nah, wouldn't want to gimp ourselves with a useless Servant.
Honestly, I think our best bet is not to rock the boat with summonings, it introduces randomness into everything plus I want everyone to get a good ending
>>4324002WIth Edgar being an overseer.>>4324010>>4324019We either need somebody who can brutefroce their way through the war like Altera or Karna or some way to cheat given our unique circumstances. Andersen might be a good bet for latter and any of his books might work as a catalyst.
>>4324019Any good mage would be top fucking tier. Solomon would be amazing, but that'd require one of his rings and the only place I can think of getting that is Clock Tower. Merlin would be great, but I have no idea what we'd get as a catalyst for him. Jeanne or Jeanne (Alter) would be good, but I doubt the Grail will let us have a Ruler, and we'd probably need Gilles' fanfiction for Jeanne (Alter)Demon King Nobu or Okita Souji (Alter) would be good, we'd have a decent chance of finding something belonging to one of them in Japan too. Though trying to summon Okita (Alter) runs the risk of summoning Okita, and that Tuberculosis trait is a brutal drawback. We could probably get a Foreigner by drawing on the same alien nature that gives us the potential for a reality marble. Mysterious Heroine XX would be nice. I doubt we'd be able to get Voyager.
>>4324002>>4324031I can't help but see this particular meeting going horribly for everyone involved.I can't exactly see any of them getting along.
>>4324039>spoilerYou know it.
>>4324053This is Cancer.
>>4324039Ough. Pulling from the most fanfic-y of FGO's pile of ridiculousness. Can't say I'd support any of these ideas.By the way, Jeanne Alter had to be created with the power of the Holy Grail and isn't in the Throne, so she shouldn't be possible to summon under any circumstances. Nobunaga or Okita might be decent servants, although I'm not sure how they'd stack up against the Fuyuki group.Merlin never actually dies, so summoning him should be impossible.>>4324031It's worth remembering that more powerful Servants require more energy, and right now we still have no working magic circuits. While it's possible we might be able to activate them in the future, as far as we know right now any attempt to support a Servant would end up killing us.>>4324053Can't exist outside of the Mooncell, unfortunately.
>>4324058>Pulling from the most fanfic-y of FGO's pile of ridiculousness.Hey man, we're in Fuyuki and we want to good ending the whole shebang. FGO ridiculousness is exactly what we need. If we could pull Demon King Nobu or Okita (Alter) they'd probably stack up super well. Normal Nobu would probably do okay, normal Okita's tb trait though is a massive handicap even though without it she'd probably be able to 1v1 me bro anyone. >although there's no way Kirei or Kiritsugu is going to give us anything worthwhile.We might be able to get stuff from them, but Kirei is a massive risk. Though, doesn't he teach Rin Baijiquan? If we're good with her, we might be able to have her show us some. If we want anything from Kerry, we'd have to heal him. We'd need Avalon for that, which means we'd need Gray. If we end up meeting Waver and getting him to like us enough we can borrow Gray for a day or two, I'd totally suggest we heal Kerry,
>>4324064>1v1 me bro anyone*raffs in Tsubame Gaeshi spam*
>>4324066Okita isn't a dragon, so clearly Sasaki's dragon slaying prowess doesn't work on her.
>>4324064>If we end up meeting Waver and getting him to like us enough we can borrow Gray for a day or two, I'd totally suggest we heal KerryI can't imagine how we'd be able to swing that, but sure. Also, hasn't Kiritsugu already stuck Avalon into Shirou's chest by now? Pulling it out to use it while he's still a kid might interfere with the development of UBW. Just something to think about.Honestly, if we summon a Servant at some point in this quest my biggest hope is that it's a new character written by the QM. Pulling FGO stuff in is still sticking within canon, after all; if we're going to really mess with events, some OC would be appreciated.
>>4324070let's fucking summon Cain. Also, Waver meets Gray after Kerry dies but we can push that meeting early if we wanna save Kerry
>>4324070If All Fiction Reality Marble will ended up being real and can fuck with summoning process it is possible that we can pull not just OC historical servant but more weird stuff which normally would not be ever possibly summoned. Potentially ranging from national personifications and all other spectres of communism to even personifications of warships and so on.But that's likely way too off the rails and just asking to get Alayaed on spot.
>>4324077>Let's summon Cain.Well I'm sorry, but I'm afraid that you might not be Abel.I mean seriously, getting a hold of a catalyst for Cain or any of the super ancient biblical figures is in reality going to be even harder than getting a catalyst for a servant like Gilgamesh.I mean, you could try using a bible in the summoning, but using a bible as a catalyst would basically be the equivalent of Christianity Gacha.
>>4324118Let's head to Rome and get Peter or Paul.
>>4324118I was half kidding, no fucking way we're summoning Cain, but i gotta disagree that it'd be harder to find a catalyst for Cain than for Gil
>>4324118>Christianity Gacha>End up rolling any of the high angels. Lucy, Michael, Metatron. I'm down.
>>4324118Couldn't we just tear out the relevant sections and use them as the catalyst?
>>4324020This is too much for my little brain
BEHOLD, IVAN THE FOOLhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_TsarevichSee, he even fits the fluff because we're descended from russians
>>4324126Or we get Moses/Noah/Judas, kek
>>4324129That has a chance of summoning a random jew who wrote the bible though
>>4324123>but i gotta disagree that it'd be harder to find a catalyst for Cain than for GilCain is from before the Great FloodGilgamesh in the epic seeks Utnapishtim, his ancestor who was tasked by the god Ea to build a ship to preserve life from the flood and was granted immortality for it.Cain predates Gilgamesh by quite a long time, but then again, Cain isn't a hero. He's quite literally the first human to ever be born of human parents. Finding a suitable catalyst for him should therefore be even harder than finding one that would allow you to summon Gilgamesh. Just like you couldn't really be expected to find a catalyst that would allow for the summoning of Adam or Eve.Especially given that the Great Flood would've served to completely annihilate all traces of civilization.>>4324129I don't think the system could really be cheated like that. Especially given that catalysts are often almost completely ruined.>>4324126>>4324144What could an angel or a prophet like Noah or Moses possibly want with a fake Holy Grail? Nevermind that the angels wouldn't be on the throne in the first place.
>>4324159>Nevermind that the angels wouldn't be on the throne in the first place.Hey man, weird shit ends up on the throne. Especially the fucked up Angry Manjew corrupted grail and throne. >Just like you couldn't really be expected to find a catalyst that would allow for the summoning of Adam or Eve.What if we used an Apple?
How powerful would George Washington be? We could easily get a catalyst for him by just taking a trip to Virginia then doing a little burglary
>>4324162Nah, man. If we're going to summon a president, we want Theodore Roosevelt.
>>4324161I don’t believe the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good an evil would be an actual apple much less if it were an apple that is still around today considering how we cross breed and select for different traits among plants
>>4324161>What if we used an Apple?You'd summon Steve Jobs.Or Isaac Newton, if anyone at all.>>4324162In general, the more recent the servant, the less powerful that they are.Except in bizarre cases like Tesla where the rules are ignored for the rule of cool.Washington wouldn't be that powerful, unfortunately.
>>4324162Modern servant = shit unless typemoon wants to wank them(see tesla)
>>4324168TR may or may not be on the throne of heroes (though he was incredibly based) but Washington is for sure. Both were honestly too good for this world. Also did you know Washington was a ginger?
>>4324159Gil in a historical timeline, is the first hero but also from the oldest piece of text in human history. Mythological timelines are weird, if we took them at face value, then we can make an argument that Indian Heroes predate Gilgamesh. There are also multiple flood events throughout mythologies, Biblical and Utnapishtim aren't necessarily the same
>>4324171and Edmond Dantes, and Nightingale, basically, this servant is strong or weak if we feel like it
>>4324170Hey, WhatIs. Give us Voyager.>TR may or may not be on the throne of heroesI'm sure if he isn't on the throne of heroes, just by attempting to summon him will cause grail to bend the rules for such a based badass. He would probably be far too strong though, I imagine with him at our side the grail war would be over before it began.
>>4324171Dang that sucks. Ok so what if we had non berserker Hercules wouldn’t that be cool. Or we could use any old copy of the Ten Commandments and get Moses right? Moses would be broken
>>4324180Let’s go for TR just to see what would happen come on guys if we get a tiger dojo let’s just go to our last save point
>>4324183I wouldn't mind Alcides.
It's simple, just summon some obscure as fuck but op hero, like oddr or cadmus
Attention gentleman, it has come to my attention that my name has been thrown around in this thread. I would love nothing more than to participate in your splendid little grail war and show these other servants what a man is capable of. You need nothing more than a rock out of Yosemite national park to summon me, as I founded it. Because of that, I have the entire backing of Mother Nature. Good day gentleman, I look forward to seeing you in the form of one Matou Shinji in the future.
lowkey though, strongest Servant we can get easily is Solomon. Moneybills has his ring but didn't do anything with it in the FSN because he somehow knew the Grail was fucked so i doubt he'd mind if we borrowed it in exchange for some Bitcoin
>>4324205>look forward to seeing you in the form of one Matou Shinji in the future.Now I want it to be true just so I can die from laughing
>>4324208Solomon can't be summoned without literal divine intervention
>>4324208>Hey Moneybills. I had a great idea, I'll trade you it for Solomon's Ring. >Ya'see, it's called Twitter and...
>>4324218If we get ahold of Solomon's Ring, it'd still be worth a try.
>>4324223The only way to get one of his rings is if yaweh himself comes down and gifts it to you
Will call and start writing in 10 minutes.Also I hate my ISP.
>>4324218Solid point. Winning the grail war with him also kicked off the whole plot of FGO, so summoning him would be just about the biggest mistake in the world if we did get the chance.
do we actually need money? Investing in Google and Facebook is cool and everything but we're kinda already rich as it is
>>4324224Except we know Moneybills has one. Unless god comes down and takes it away, we have a shot at getting it. >>4324230That was more Moneybill's wish, I think.
>>4324263That's only in FGO though, in SN he completely ignores the Grail so he'd have no catalyst for it.
Isn't FGO timeline impossible to happen anyway because it's accelerated by about 200 years so the first HGW happens in 2004?
>>4324282We know he ignores it, we don't know why. Besides, it's worth checking out. If he doesn't have it, oh well, plan B. If he does, we try to get it.
I was thinking. You know what this quest needs? More Rin.
>>4324288I mean, it requires going to England and most likely blowing our cover to make contact with a powerful magus, so it's not exactly something done easily enough that you can write it off as 'worth checking out,' when it's more likely to fail than not.>>4324292No quest needs more of worst girl.
>>4324299I feel like we're going to visit England no matter what, be it sooner or later.
>>4324299>No quest needs more of worst girl.Now now Anon I get it, but everyone who voted to spend time with Sakura are entitled to their vote
>>4324292why dont you keep the waifu fagging on /a/. We are saving lives here.
>>4324321>Going into a Fate quest and not expecting waifufaggotrywhat are you doin
>>4324321Clearly you don't understand how quests on /qst/ work. By board law, they have to be at least 70% Waifufaggotry, and 25% Shitposts. Only the remaining 5% is actually filled with the quest.
>>4324321>waifu fagging>Fate Questanon...
>>4324311I can't imagine why, but we'll see.
>>4324328this is my first quest. I got done reading the vn about a week ago, and I saw someone shill this on /a/ so I'm here. Having a great time so far.>>4324331at least its not for the worm
>>4324343where do we know about waver's later adventures and developments?. I read stay night and watched zero.
>>4324360Oh cool. Welcome to the board.
Personally, I'm very excited for the inevitable waifu wars
>>4324370My record is impeccable, I led that autist Edgar into Tomoe's skirts and I fully expect to succeed here with whatever waifu I arbitrarily latch on to.
>>4324370Faction predictions?Illya having a sizable contingent is a near certainty, but she'll face significant competition from the yet to be revealed oc girl.There will be one anon aggressively shilling Rin.Nor incest with Sakura as an oddball.Saber will be largely disregarded.
Isn’t Osakabehime actually still around in her castle in Osaka, just NEETing around and shit?
>>4324387Sakura seems to already have a sizable faction. I'm willing to bet they'll clash hard with the Illyafags. Saber is Shirou's Waifu, we don't want to cuck Shirou. He's a bro. Don't count out servants. Depending on who we summon, people might latch onto them as a waifu.
>>4324386While I'm an Illonafag myself I can respect Tomoefags as she is very good waifu.Fuck Charlottefags though.
>>4324387saber is for shirou (or for me)
>>4324387Illya feels like a favorite I feel like some anons are silent on their support of Rin but that might just be me as a RinfagSakura is kinda of our biggest motivation, a lot of anons want to see her happy so it kinda lends itself to romance. Plus it does seem that romance is the way to go to get her loyaltySaber is for Shirou, we have already established this
>>4324394>>4324386what quest are you guys talking about?
>>4324394Based.>>4324403Fate Overgrowth, very fun fanfic quest from months ago. QM ghosted and I really miss it.
>>4324402We can just be a nice big brother to Sakura, I'm 100% on the Illya boat.Speaking of, should we try to help Kerry assault the Einzbern estate and rescue her before the HGW, or should we just meet her when it starts?
>>4324417Heal Kerry, Steal Ruby, Kidnap Illya, Start Magical Girl shenanigans.
>>4324417I always thought of taking Shirou and Rin with us one year before the HGW and assaulting the Einzbern estate but we can probably use Kiritsugu yeah
>>4324417I’m on the Ilya boat because she never got her own route although in heavens feel she totally stole the show
>>4324387Romance with Illya is my main goal, but I'd like us to at least be a close brother to Sakura so she doesn't latch on to and obsess over Shirou. I think incest with Shinji was part of the magical treatment Zouken had planned for her, though, so I'm not sure how that whole dynamic will play out with us not being an awful rapist.If we can avoid Rin completely, I will be happy.
>>4324453Rin's the primary source of Baijiquan that isn't Kirei. So I'd like to at least be friends with her enough that she could give us second hand teaching.
>>4324453I think some of you have forgotten that Shinji straight up has to have sex with Sakura if we don't kill Zouken early. Those worms drive her lust up and she's straight up going to die if she doesn't have sex so, yeah, fucked up road ahead of us
>>4324360Welcome to /qst/, second most pathetic board on the site(Oh god please take us back /tg/)Please be wary of random salt and sperging over literally nothing, it happens everytime and it will never stop
>>4324465That's easy to solve. Let's just figure out a way to kill Zouken early.
>>4324453Do you have any ideas on how to accomplish that?She's pretty obsessed with Shirou until she gets to know him better, how do we get her attention?We should research ways to extend her lifespan though.Could we contract Touko to make some puppet bodies for her?>>4324459I'd definitely prefer Kuzuki martial arts to Baijiquan.>>4324465It's better than Shinji raping her though.
Illya is near impossible to romance but I appreciate your guys's optimism
>>4324476>Do you have any ideas on how to accomplish that?Give her Ruby. Hope Zelretch bullshit keeps her alive. >>4324476Snake Style would be good too. Even better would be learning what we can of both and mixing it together. I'm just not sure when Kuzuki comes to Fuyuki.
>>4324482I don't think it's near impossible, more like hard mode.>>4324486Yes, turning her into a mahou shoujo is the way to make her fall in love with us.
>>4324489She beheaded Shirou and kept him as a pet in a Bad End, and she actually loves Shirou, hard mode is putting it mild
>>4324500That was when she still hated him though?
>>4324482women dont know what they want
>>4324501Alright, what about the other Bad End where she turns Shirou into a puppet?
>>4323738>"We could go for a walk along the river, I suppose."
>>4324508The one where she waits until Shirou essentially agrees to it?
>>4324517she got pissed at him for lying so she mindfucked him, if it goes in the other direction, she was gonna go and kill all his friends
>>4324522Still don't see what about that behaviour would make it nigh-impossible to romance her anon.
>>4324532anon, i don't know how to explain to you why its going to be hard to romance someone who treats her loved ones like meat puppets much less a nobody from a rival family like Shinji
>>4324544It's no use anon. The unrequited lust generated by the nonexistent Illya route has rendered many fatefags little more than mindless thrills endlessly seeking to consummate their dark fantasies.
>>4324568Risk and reward
>>4324544>treats her loved ones like meat puppetsShe doesn't do this.If she actually likes you she acts pretty normally around you.
>>4324594She hypnotizes you so she can force you to be hers
>>4324600Yeah, she did that to Shirou so he wouldn't abandon her the way she felt Kiritsugu did.As long as you're as honest as possible and not a coward she doesn't really act menacing.
>>4324544>>4324568Guys, Guys. Liberal and unsupervised use of the second magic solves all problems.
>>4324625Where you gettin that sorcery nigga?Last time I checked you ain't no kaleidoscope wizard.
>>4324636how can you forget about the magic stick in Rin's chest so fast, especially after he's been vying for it since the first post of the thread.
>>4324643It seems erroneous, retarded, and impractical but Salter meido was too until it happened. Shine on you crazy diamonds.
>>4324625gotta do what you gotta do
"How about we go the shopping center for the day, Sakura? I think you might enjoy going to Verde?" Honestly, you have way too much disposable income for a child. A fifty thousand yen a week allowance is just excessive. It's no wonder that Shinji had the funds to afford going to restaurants all the time. You suppose that's the benefit of the family fortune being managed by somebody with a shred of competence at investment. Illyasviel has the support of the Einzbern behind her, and the functionally infinite funds they possess. Then there's Shirou, who must've been left... or rather will be left a rather sizable inheritance by his father, no doubt gained from his deeds as the Magus Killer. And then there's Rin. Rin, who for her primary form of magecraft, needs to waste precious gems. Rin, who's estate is managed by a man who mismanages it on purpose just to see her suffer. Rin, who is effectively penniless despite the Tohsaka being such a prominent family before her. But mocking Rin for her lack of financial success can come later, if you decide to make fun of her in the first place. It's not exactly a good way to make an ally, and Rin has cause enough to dislike you already, just for being a Matou. You hope that the girl doesn't get any fanciful ideas about blaming you for 'stealing' Sakura from her, otherwise you might not be able to resist putting her in her place. Sakura remains quiet for a moment as she seems to parse your suggestion to leave the mansion and go out on the town. Really, you'd never even think of doing something so dangerous if it weren't for Sakura's situation. Going out alone without adult supervision in a town like Fuyuki? You're just grateful that the local serial killer was recently shot through the chest. "Is it... really OK for us to leave the mansion?" She's still pretty clearly riddled with doubt about all this but doesn't object to you simply nodding and taking hold of one of her hands to lead her downstairs. You practically run through the front doors of the mansion to get back onto the street. At least you've managed to avoid meeting with Zouken for now. You'd really like to keep your interactions with the old worm as few as possible. Quickly, you lead Sakura out of the house and into the streets beyond. The poor purple haired girl is clutching your hand for the entire time the two of you run out of the sinister Matou residence. Eventually though, the two of you have to stop running to catch your breath, the bodies of prepubescent children, as it turns out, aren't really all too suited for such bursts of exertion. Sakura looks incredibly confused by the whole situation, but not as terribly sad as she was before. That's an improvement, at least. Of course, you might know the general layout of Fuyuki city, but that doesn't mean you know the exact path you need to take to get to Verde. Eventually stumbling upon a visitor information board with some instructions on how to get to the high-class shopping center.
After some wandering, you finally manage to find your way to the large building contain all manner of shops. Though if Sakura is impressed by the buildings rather extravagant appearance, she's not exactly showing it. Still, her hand hasn't once stopped clutching hold of your own, even through all the aimless wandering you went through before reaching this place. Hopefully, that's some sign of progress towards her trusting you, and not just her hand clamping to your own in fear of what might happen to the two of you when you get back. The two of you are really lucky that you don't end up running into any concerned citizens worried about the two young siblings wandering the roads without guardians. You walk past a multitude of stores, including a large toy store selling all sorts of expensive looking plush animals. You can also spot a rather familiar looking range of lion plushies. You know a certain king that would love receiving one of those. Best to leave that to Shirou though, as long as nothing ends up interrupting their blossoming relationship, the two ought to naturally fall in love with each other. That's one of the few things you don't feel the need to tamper with... well, you might try and see if you can get Saber to stick around after the end of the Fifth War. Maybe you ought to buy Sakura something? There's some form of arcade close to the toy shop, but you don't know if Sakura will even like videogames, though you suppose you can try to win her something from the crane game, while the majority of the prizes you can see pale in comparison to those stocked next door, there's also apparently a chance to win a giant black cat plushie, but it requires you pick up a special key with the claw that looks much more difficult to extract from the machine than one of the plush toys.A few shops away from the arcade is a fancy teashop. Highly praised for its expensive afternoon services and a fairly common place to find some of Fuyuki's more well off citizens. Shinji has a few spotty memories of wandering about Verde but they aren't very helpful for figuring out where to go with your sister. The last shop that really holds any interest to you is an Italian restaurant tucked away into a corner of Verde. You suppose you could treat Sakura to some food that she wouldn't need to worry about Zouken having poisoned like some sort of mustache twirling cartoon character. You've got just over 60000 Yen on you, not a small sum at all. >>Choose as many as you want that are within budget>Buy Sakura a plush animal (what type?) (5k for small, 10k for normal and 15k for large.)>Go play some games with Sakura at the arcade (2k)>Try to win the giant cat plush. (100 yen each go, can be taken many times)>Treat Sakura to a service at the teahouse. (25k)>Treat Sakura to lunch at the Italian restaurant (15k)>Write-in...
>>4324867>>Write-in...Go the Gachapon Shop, try and win Sakura an SSR Servant. At least get her enough to play the game.
>>4324866>a man who mismanages it on purpose just to see her sufferI just assumed that Kirei was really bad with money and didn't actually mean to do that. This does kinda remind me though... Why don't we stockpile precious gems for Rin? She managed to kill Berserker once with a headshot of those things so... uh...
>>4324867>Try to win the giant cat plush. (As much as it takes.)>Treat Sakura to lunch at the Italian restaurant (15k)
>>4324867>Go play some games with Sakura at the arcade (2k)>Try to win the giant cat plush. (As much as it takes.)>Treat Sakura to lunch at the Italian restaurant (15k)
>>4324867>Try to win the giant cat plush. (As much as it takes.)>Treat Sakura to lunch at the Italian restaurant (15k)If we fail enough times and still persist, this crane game might even have a high-jump-like effect!
>>4324867>Buy Sakura a small plush animal>Go play some games with Sakura at the arcade (2k)>Treat Sakura to lunch at the Italian restaurant (15k)
>>4324867>Go play some games with Sakura at the arcade (2k)>Treat Sakura to lunch at the Italian restaurant (15k)
>>4324867 #>Try to win the giant cat plush. (As much as it takes.)>Treat Sakura to lunch at the Italian restaurant (15k)
>>4324867>Try to win the giant cat plush. (100 yen each go, can be taken many times)>Treat Sakura to a service at the teahouse. (25k)
>>4324890Honestly now that you mention it we could have her be almost broken
>>4324890Kirei could probably very easily at least manage the estate to a point where it wouldn't lose money and would retain it's value.He's not that much of an idiot, and we know he loves making Rin suffer. He could very easily have managed the Tohsaka estate in a sensible way that would retain the profitable ventures instead of losing everything. While he's certainly no expert of management, it even says in the Fate/Zero materials>Then again, as a priest who values honest poverty, he probably thought it would be good for her from an educational standpoint.About Kirei running the Tohsaka's assets into the ground.The Tohsaka were incredibly rich before Kotomine ruined everything.
>>4325348Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I recall she needs to put something like a year's worth of magical energy into each of those gemstones in order to make them that powerful, and in F/SN she's already filled up as many as she had the energy for. Just giving her more gems wouldn't make her more powerful unless we also give her more magic circuits to charge them with.
>>4324476I've been thinking about this.It's true that Illya's obsession with Shirou is what allowed him to make the initial connection with her, but it seems to me that what really strengthened the bond between them in the Fate and Heaven's Feel routes, and would've been core to the unreleased Illyasviel route, isn't that initial obsession but the way he treated her. Illya never had any real familial treatment from anyone until meeting Shirou. She was treated like a tool by Acht, like a master by her maids, and although she definitely had a personal bond with Berserker it was very different from the bond she formed with Shirou. My point is, I have the impression she's starved for affection and human contact. If we can find some way to speak with her out of the context of battle, I think we should be able to take some leaves out of Shirou's book, steal a march on him, and make that same kind of bond with her despite being an interested third party rather than her 'brother'.
You decide to go to the restaurant first, while you aren't that hungry yourself, if you are remembering things properly, then Sakura's own food will have been purposely made unpalatable, or even poisonous food. Of course this would all be on Zouken's orders too, the evil old worm must really take some sort of sadistic pleasure in causing suffering, and Zouken doesn't even have Kotomine's excuse of being born a psychopath! Zolgen Makiri once had a noble goal of creating a utopia, to the point where he was even on good terms with people like Paracelcus, but his pursuit of that goal has turned the once noble hearted magus into a husk of a man using his magecraft to live long past the time he ought to have died in the attempt to eventually see that one day the sacrifice to create the holy grail wasn't in vain. That is to say, the sacrifice of Justeaze Lizrich von Einzbern, the head of the Einzbern of two centuries ago and the core of the Greater Grail.Still, there's no point in feeling bad for Zouken for the man he used to be. Zolgen Makiri is gone, and in his place is a monster. Honestly, it probably would've been easier to have just become a Dead Apostle, but whatever. Guess Zouken thought that becoming worms would be more effective? You aren't about to pretend to know what went through his, or indeed, Nasu's head when he decided to make that particular choice. Guess he was just bored of writing about vampires after finishing Tsukihime.You lead Sakura into the restaurant, and after some trouble explaining to the staff that you're actually much older than you look through a combination of eloquent speech and a made-up medical condition, you are allowed a table inside. You quickly decide on something to eat for yourself, and order a small pepperoni pizza for yourself. Sakura is unfortunately acting rather unresponsive despite the prospect of being able to choose anything she likes from the menu, so you eventually have no choice but to order her a Margherita pizza. It's not exactly an exciting meal, like, at all. But you don't really know what Sakura would actually enjoy from the menu, and you can't expect her to order for herself as she currently is.Eventually, your orders are served to you. The quality is adequate what you're used to, but could probably do with a little less mozzarella. Though as much as you would like to critique your own food, what the purple haired girl sitting across from you is thinking is far more important right now.Thankfully, she's at least eating the food, but there's no real indication of enjoyment on her face. Though you can see a faint expression of perhaps gratitude towards you for the food? Still, it's not enough. You aren't satisfied with merely making her slightly grateful. You'll get Sakura to smile, no matter the cost.
After paying the staff and leaving the restaurant, you wander about inside the shopping center for a while, before eventually settling on visiting the arcade. You may as well give winning that giant cat plushy a try. Hopefully you'll be able to win it and give it to Sakura as a gift. If you're lucky, then it will cause her to cheer up, if only just a little.Strolling into the arcade with Sakura holding your hand once again, you walk up to the large crane game in the center of the arcade. Clearly this thing is meant to be some sort of attraction, considering just how much attention it seems to be able to draw. Luckily, nobody is using the machine right now, so it's your opportunity to try to win that giant plushy. Without any further hesitation, you insert a hundred yen coin into the machine in exchange for three attempts to grab a prize. You go for the key on every single attempt and end up failing terrificly. Nevermind, you'll just have another go. In your past life, you considered yourself something of an expert with these machines, so all you need to do is get the claw in the right place and the key will be yours. Inserting another coin inside the machine, you have another attempt at winning the giant plushy. Only to be met with three more failures. You aren't about to give up though, you'll win that damn plushy, and no damn crane game is going to stop you! Almost two hours have now passed since your declaration of war on the machine, and you have spent the best part of 30000 yen on trying to win the damn plush toy. Your hands are starting to ache from constantly operating the joystick, and something of an audience has actually formed around you as interested bystanders watch the young boy spend so much time and money trying to win a single prize. Eventually, Sakura tugs on your arm, her expression looking a little concerned. "Ni-san, you've... you've been at this for a while now..." Though, just as Sakura tugs on your arm to get your attention, you stop paying attention to the crane which you had just positioned right above the key. Turning to face your sister, you can't really think of anything to say. "I... I must've just gotten carried away with myself. Sorry Sakura, I really wanted to win that prize..." You suppose that you probably ought to get going now anyway. After so many failed attempts and so much time wasted trying to get they key, actually continuing now would be something of a sunk cost fallacy.Just as you turn to leave however, you notice that the small crowd that appeared around you have all begun to... clap? You turn back to the machine to see the key grasped firmly in the grip of the claw hand before it is released into the prize compartment. Needless to say, both you and Sakura are left without words. Sakura has a very complicated expression on her face however, so it would probably be best not to say anything to her at this moment.
Without any more waiting, you quickly retrieve the giant novelty key from the prize drawer. Only to have the giant cat plush toy almost thrown at you the second you pick the key up. The owner of the arcade congratulates you on your victory, despite how much actually achieving it cost you or how long you took in achieving it. Thank goodness that the Matou are so rich. You thank the man politely for the plush toy before turning back to Sakura and holding the large plush out to her. It's actually almost the size she is, yet she still takes it from you. "Here, Sakura. I won it for you." You smile at your sister as her complicated expression grows yet more conflicted. She actually opens her mouth to try to respond to that, but quickly closes it upon realizing she has no idea what to say.You take Sakura's hand once again, intending to leave the arcade until you spot somebody out of the corner of your eye playing on an arcade cabinet for Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo. It's a teenager wearing clothing that is just a little too formal to be normal for an arcade, and he's clearly frustrated with the game, even though he does seem to be somewhat enjoying himself. Yes, the teenager playing on the arcade machine is none other than Waver Velvet. The only master from the Fourth Grail War who actually survives past the end of the Fifth War. It seems that for whatever reason, the teen has yet to return to London and the Clocktower.>Give him some tips on how to play Street Fighter a little better before leaving with Sakura. He's actually pretty dreadful at playing, and you're pretty certain you could beat him one-handed.>Just ignore him for now, this trip out is for Sakura's sake, you wouldn't want to spoil it. Just knowing that Waver is still in Fuyuki means you'll be able to track him down.>Introduce yourself to Waver and challenge him to a game of Street Fighter II. May as well try to make contact with him.>Ask him a few questions. (What questions?)>Reveal some information that he might like to know (What would you like to reveal?)>Write-in...
>>4325587>>Write-in...Gonna do a combo write in. What we do is go over and ask him if he wants some tips and help him out. Once he gets a handle on it, we ask if he wants to see something cool and bust out the Akuma Code. Also, ask him when nobody is listening if he's a mage and introduce ourselves as Shinji Matou.
>>4325587>Just ignore him for now, this trip out is for Sakura's sake, you wouldn't want to spoil it. Just knowing that Waver is still in Fuyuki means you'll be able to track him down.
>>4325587>>Introduce yourself to Waver and challenge him to a game of Street Fighter II. May as well try to make contact with him.Waver's got it tough right now too so if you establish familar relations right now and be good he will be loyal to you.
>>4325587>Introduce yourself to Waver and challenge him to a game of Street Fighter II. May as well try to make contact with him.>Give Waver some vague but deep spoilers about Street Fighter III and some other yet unreleased japanese games and tell him to seek you out later if he is interested in more serious insider information about video games and VNs.
>>4325587I guess I'll switch to >Introduce yourself to Waver and challenge him to a game of Street Fighter II. May as well try to make contact with him.I somehow doubt ignoring him is going to get a majority, and this is at least the version of contacting him that does the least damage to our cover identity.
>>4325630Support. You can still have fun with Sakura if you play Waver in Street Fighter so that's good, Waver is very intuitive so he'll catch on when he realizes that spoiler you told him was right on the money, and he will listen to Shinji, he's a Matou and Waver is gonna want connections wherever he can find them
>>4325587I'll switch >>4325604 to >>4325630 as long as when we play him we use Akuma at least once to show off.
>>4325583>You'll get Sakura to smile, no matter the costI feel like this is some wicked foreshadowing that will haunt us
>>4325630>>4325645Do you really want to lead in with that sort of thing? Why not get to know him in a normal way for a while before starting up with the fuckery of sharing our foreknowledge? I may be starting at shadows, but I really do feel that giving anyone else a sign of our knowing the future will have major negative consequences for us.
>>4325655You are about to play street fighter with him, after the game is done you can drop something like "oh yeah, i hear the next street fighter is gonna have (insert extremely specific spoiler here)" and Waver might just write it off as an 8 year old with a wild imagination only for him to be exactly right, Shinji being a Matou will only increase his curiosity
>>4325655Sharing knowledge of future games can be played off as "Dude, the rumor has been going around all the arcades lately." It's not like we're telling him "You will be known as Lord El-Melloi II and will find a descendant of King Arthur named Gray who will become your apprentice." It's more "Hey man, did you know there's a new version of street fighter coming out with a completely new roster of characters and multiple special move styles."
>>4325660>>4325661Well then, FYI, if we're going for the rumor angle it'd be best to share stuff about Alpha. There were 3 Street Fighter games released between the last version of SF2 and the first version of SF3. SFA, SFA2, and SFA3. They were called Zero, Zero 2, and Zero 3 in JPN though, I think.
>>4325668Alpha would probably be better, the problem is Alpha has most likely already been covered in a gaming magazine. EGM, Gamepro and Famitsu all exist at this time.
>>4325655We can casually speak and play with him right now and pull your well known my-dog-works-at-nintendo shit but with actual real spoilers. Waver is pretty useless right now but in some years laters as Lord El-Melloi II, who enjoy playing video games and has keen memories, it will struck him that we told him information that no person could have known back in those days. He will naturally seek us out.And by that time we will have a clear picture of that to do with fifth war and on top of that he will have money and connections we might need.And there is no way somebody else will pick on just that we did.
>>4325679I mean, I'm hoping he'll stick around in Fuyuki for awhile and become a hangout buddy for us. He's a good potential escape from Fuyuki and could help us alot with magic shit.
>>4325630Support.When he eventually finds out we were right he will have a crysis, and I have to see it.
>>4325587>Give him some tips on how to play Street Fighter a little better before leaving with Sakura. He's actually pretty dreadful at playing, and you're pretty certain you could beat him one-handed.
So does anyone have any thoughts on the plan I posted at >>4325428 for trying to make a connection with Illya by appealing to emotion and interacting with her on non-grail war-related matters? Any ideas on how to make contact with her in the first place? (Ideas that don't involve the kaleidostick, that is).
>>4325764you need to break into the Einzbern Castle before she summons Berserker, the earlier the better
>>4325764You need to heal Kerry, and back him up on rescuing her. >(Ideas that don't involve the kaleidostick, that is).I mean sure, if you don't want good ideas.
>>4325769You gotta love how all of our plans center around rescuing little girls.
>>4325779My plans are to be best bros with a little boy, idk what you guys are doing
>>4325766>>4325769I sure hope we get a different chance from that, because I want no part of it. I'm content to wait for an opportunity to act once she's come to Fuyuki for the war. Interfering in her life before that could cause irrevocable changes to her personality as well as the timeline. Plus, we'd probably get killed in the attempt.
>>4325785>Plus, we'd probably get killed in the attemptAnon, there's a better chance that she kills us when she comes to Fuyuki for the war
>>4325785>irrevocable changes to her personality as well as the timeline.I mean, if she's less of a dick, that's good and again, stop worrying about not changing the timeline.The canon rails are not something we want to stick to, especially if we want a best end.
>>4325788I don't think staying in Fuyuki and preparing for the war leads to us being more likely to die than running off to Europe half-cocked, especially when the latter mission is supposed to be in the company of Kiritsugu. Nothing good can come of healing that guy.>>4325790You and I have very different ideas about what parts of Illya's character are endearing, and since we've had that argument already I'm not going to fight it with you again. Suffice it to say I'd like to see her as she was in F/SN.
>>4325798>Suffice it to say I'd like to see her as she was in F/SN.I mean, if we want to change her fate you won't get to see her as she was in F/SN. The further along canon rails we go, the more likely she'll bad end.
I wonder if you could keep Illya alive past her expiration date by transplanting Avalon from Shirou into her, provided you also used something like UBW Good to keep Saber around after the war.
>>4325823we can do some Grail and Medea fuckery to heal her up too
>>4325831Unless we manage to summon a straight up powerful Caster ourselves. Then we don't even need to get involved with Medea.
>>4325836I do not wanna summon someone outside of the FSN, everything is gonna get wonky and crazy so fucking fast if we do
Should we try to work a quote from Alexander into conversation to mess with Waver? See what effect it has on him?
>>4325843If Shinji summons at all, we may have to expect that possibility. >>4325847I'm up for it. Though we're a Matou, we might actually have an excuse for just straight up going "Oh, Rider's master." Not sure how secret Grail Wars are kept from participating families.
>>4325849I meant just like "unknowingly" saying things the real Alexander said in his early years. Maybe we could plant some kind of weird seed of loyalty in Waver by resembling his king.>>4325809Maybe if we saved her just like a year or 2 before the GW, so Kiritsugu's died already and we're not pulling her out of the Einzbern castle while she's still an actual child, but we're still setting us up as her savior and keeping her from using Berserker to kill us in the war. Best of both worlds I think. Very hard to do the rescue though.
>>4325860Us assaulting the Einzbern estate is dependent on how far we come along in developing our Reality Marble, and working on our circuits.Without it we'd actually be useless during the attempt.
>>4325860>Very hard to do the rescue though.This is why I think we need Kerry, honestly. Without him, it'd probably be impossible. We do need him to actually teach Shirou proper magecraft too. Can you imagine a Shirou with Time Alter and UBW?
My thinking is that if we want her to fall for us we want to take the Shirou position of being the first person to treat her like a normal girl. So the worst case scenario is saving her as a child and giving her to Kiri. Then he gets that affection as her father. 2nd worst case scenario is saving her as a child and taking care of her ourself somehow, because then we might end up in the Acht position of the isolator and she falls for Shirou. So we need to rescue her after childhood.If she's 18 in 2004, that means we can't save her any earlier than 2002 and still have her as a romance option, I think. That waiting strategy also gives us as much time as possible to develop All-Fiction, or whatever our Marble ends up being called, and to learn wibbly wobbly punches from the schoolteacher.
>>4325865Holy shit Shriou would be OP let’s do this. Also we want waver on our side ASAP
>>4322195So I decided it would be fun to see just what characters have had the most mentions by name in the thread so far, this includes my posts, so obviously some characters will have their placing massively bolstered by mentions of their name in the text of the story. I just thought this would be an interesting thing to do.Sakura 137 (First Place)Shinji 83 (Second Place)Monica 76 (Third Place)Zouken 61 (Fourth Place)Shirou 58 (Fifth Place)Illya 56 (Sixth Place)Rin 34 (Seventh Place)Waver 32 (Eighth Place)Kiritsugu 30 (Ninth Place)Kirei 26 (Tenth Place)Saber 11 (Eleventh Place)Medea 8 (Twelth Place)Fairly interesting results, I feel.As a Bonus, the term 'Reality Marble' has been mentioned 49 times.
>>4325865I remember a fanfic where Kiritsugu gets a premonition that makes him actually train Shirou, he becomes super fucking busted but more unstable so uh, lets tread lightly with ole Kerry
>>4325951I WANNA SAVE SAKURA
>>4325951Tempted to post Illya 137 times to correct things. >>4325952Yeah, Kiri and Shirou already have tons of protag energy, last thing we need is to help them along. We need to work on polishing up Shinji not making Shirou even more broken. I say let Kiri die.>>4325957And I wanna save Illya. Hopefully we can do both.
>>4325962I want to see Kerry and Shirou and Illya be a happy family as well as save Sakura and shinji we can do it we have the technology
>>4325966Fuuuck that. At the end of this story I want to see Shinji, Sakura, and Illya as one family and Shirou, Rin, and Saber as another. Really hope Kiri stays totally out of the quest.
>>4325980No I want Rin too, Shirou can have his big sister
>>4325980At the end of this story I want to see Kerry high five Shirou and Kirei open up his own mapo tofu cart.
>>4325984>I want RinI know the premise might make you want to RP Shinji, anon, but you don't need to humiliate yourself by going that far.
>>4325994Anon, I think Rin is automatically gonna have a radically different opinion of a non sleazy Shinji that actually treats her beloved little sister nicely
>>4325980>I didn’t have a father so nobody should!
>>4325865He cannot have time alter because its usage is tied to Emiya family crest, and transplanting that to anyone not immediate family would have killed him from rejection even if Kerry’s crest wasn’t corrupted from his contact with angry manjew.Kerry teaching him magecraft correctly might help, but it was Shirou’s retarded fuckery that caused him to develop his version of Projection that is tracing, so I don’t know if it’s gonna be a net positive in his development if he learned to do things correctly and abandon unlocking the retard savant hidden Tracing skillset that has prerequisite of fucking up so badly it actually created a reality marble
>Challenge Waver to a game>>4325627>>4325636>Challenge Waver to a game and drop some future spoilers about video games>>4325630>>4325645>>4325648>>4325695>Give him some tips and then leave>>4325719>>4325761I think?Calling the vote in ten minutes then.
>>4326010What a weird ad hominem to take from that. Fathers are fine, it's Kiri I have a problem with. Dude is a terrible character and would be an awful parent. His determinator BS already ruined Fate Zero. I just don't want to give him the chance to fuck Shirou up any more than he already has or ruin this story.Also I already pointed out how he's a huge roadblock to us getting an Illya route. Nasu already wrote him out of HGW5 perfectly well. Let's just let him go so we don't have to deal with his crap.
>>4326049But muh fanfics!
>>4326049how would Kiri be a roadblock for Illya route? If anything, he's the path for it
>>4326074Like I said, I explained it earlier. At >>4325869. Illya falls for Shirou because he's the first person to give her real human warmth and kindness after the castle. Her obsession with him from before the war just gives them the excuse to meet, it's not why she gets infatuated. If we rescue her and give her to Kiri, that potential for infatuation evaporates because she'll have a family outside the Einzbern. We need to manage the thing very carefully if we want her to fall for us. We need to get her to see us as that "first human who cares" character, and in order to set that route up she needs to be at the castle at least until she's 16. That's why I said the best thing to do would be save her after Kiri's dead, so we can also add on the point of being her rescuer, but meeting her during the War could work too as long as we can do it before Shirou.
>>4326095It just kinda seems like she'll live a more normal life and she'll be more accepting of Shinji if he actually had a hand in her rescue and he's actually around her a lot instead of chancing it and having to deal with a psychotic Illya who automatically sees Shinji as an enemy
>>4326109But that's my point. Her living a more normal life dissipates the potential romantic energy that builds up before the War in canon. It destroys the possibility of taking over the Illya route that Shirou had the opportunity for.
Also, again, Kiri would be a horrible single dad. He is really not a guy suited to fatherhood. I actually trust Illya more with Acht and I don't even want to think about how Shirou would turn out with a living Kiri.
>>4326119Yeah I'm just gonna have to disagree with you there, I mean, I don't even wanna go Illya route if it means I can't get Sakura or Rin but if I were to go about it, I absolutely wouldn't chance it with HGW Illya
fujimara romancemake it happen
>>4326030>it was Shirou’s retarded fuckery that caused him to develop his version of Projection that is tracing, so I don’t know if it’s gonna be a net positive in his development if he learned to do things correctly and abandon unlocking the retard savant hidden Tracing skillset that has prerequisite of fucking up so badly it actually created a reality marbleThis is actually another really good point against saving Kiri, and I don't think it should be ignored.
so what do you anons wanna do with Bazett?
>>4326190butch ass bitch
>>4326190Give her accommodations at the Emiya residence after we beat up Angry Manjew.
>>4326227She'd get tofud before we would have a servant, unless we end up meeting her and impact her life so hard she doesn't fall for gay priest, she's fucked
>>4326237She gets saved by Angry Manjew and acts as his master until he gets beat up after the grail war.
>>4326245Being manjew's cumsock in a spinoff doesn't help us
>>4326257Sure it does. It means that not only do we get to beat up Manjew, it also means we can give her accommodations at the Emiya residence.
Man this is a fun fucking quest, I'm gonna enjoy the future discussions. planning and inevitable fights we're all gonna have about what route or actions to take
>>4326271I hope we get a chance to see Gilgamesh use his strongest technique.
>Not finding a way to summon Angra as Shinji's Servant and unlocking the Wakame Paradise Route where Illya lives and Shinji and Angra cement their place in the Kaleidoscope as Best BoysI can accept Anon's shit taste in waifus and the salt that follows but not this, this shall not stand.
>>4326272Gaia would activate her countermeasures and destroy the world, modern man is not prepared for naked gilgamesh
>>4326271i want to fuck fujimara
Do you guys think we'll need to set up some Anti-Ishtar devices?
>>4326310i know nothing about grand order shit but my instinct says no
>>4326310Why? Are we summoning Enkidu or something?
>>4326317I wouldn't be opposed to summoning claybae. It'd be the easiest way to get Gil on our side.
>>4326322yeah but we have to deal with Ishtar's bullshit if we do
>>4326324That's why we set up the anti-ishtar devices. Duh.
>>4326329we are summoning teddy roosevelt didnt you see his speech earlier
>>4326336Too young to be in the throne.
We can talk about summoning someone big all we want actually getting a catalyst is another matter. Enkidu would be just as hard to summon as gilgamesh
>>4326342we shall summon Thomas Edison to get all presidents
>>4326347I wonder if we could just use a lump of clay shaped like a waifu/husbando
>>4326322Anon, when it comes to Enkidu Gil's a bit yan. He tried to murder Richard when he joked around about Enkidu after he and Ayaka run into them. Gil'll either kill us on the spot, drain us of all our Mana when the 2 of them fight or we'll just be glassed in the middle of their Enuma Elish's.
Waver... is really awful at videogames, isn't he? Of course he would be, he might end up enjoying them, but he can't have been playing videogames for more than a few days, honestly, and this is probably one of his first times actually playing Street Fighter or probably a fighting game at all. Beating a magus at Street Fighter II isn't exactly going to be one of your greatest accomplishments in your life, but it'll provide a good way to actually introduce yourself to the future Lord El-Melloi II"Hey, Mister." You call out to the teenager as he manages to lose to a computer controlled Zangief. He turns to face the child calling out to him, he doesn't even have to look down very far to meet your gaze thanks to being so incredibly short. At least he'll have a really huge growth spurt in the next few years. Still, you do your best to put on the disarming child charm you've currently got going. "Would you mind if we played a round?""What do you mean?" Waver questions you on your suggestion before taking a stern voice with you. "I'm using this cabinet right now, and I intend to win this game before I move on. I'm afraid you'll have to wait until I'm done." Yeah, sure. You don't even know the input for a hadouken and nearly got perfected by Zangief, Waver. You aren't getting anywhere close to beating the game by just hopelessly button-mashing. Well, not without a major amount of luck, at least.You had probably correct the magus about something however, he might be somewhat embracing the merits of technological entertainment, but he's only just breaking out of his shell "N-no, mister. I mean the game is multiplayer. It can be played by two people at once. I was challenging you to see if you could win against me."Waver looks at you, and then to the second player control, and then back to you. "Oh. Right. That makes a lot of sense actually. I was wondering if that other controller was supposed to do anything. I suppose it being playable by two people at once would make a lot of sense" He looks a little flustered by what you can only assume was him doing something foolish with the second controller prior to your arrival. "But... are you sure you want to play against an adult, kid? I'm not going to let you win." It's amazing that despite everything, he still seems to have some sort of confidence in his own ability to play. Where does that stem from, exactly?"Oh, don't worry about me mister. I'm actually undefeated at this game." While it's not strictly true, at least Shinji has never lost a match of Street Fighter. Granted, he's never actually played it either, but that hardly matters. You remember enough about the game that demolishing Waver would be a simple matter. In fact, you would probably actually have to try to lose to the videogame newbie.
You end up picking Guile while Waver goes for Cammy. He maintains a somewhat confident smirk on his face all the way up until the point that you completely demolish him without even allowing him to land a hit. "Perfect!" The arcade cabinet cries in celebration of your flawless victory. The confident smirk on Waver's face is replaced by a look of extreme concentration in the second round, only for you to defeat him in under twenty seconds this time. Once again, the cry of "Perfect!" signifying your complete domination at the game."You're... You're pretty good, kid." Waver begrudgingly admits upon being completely embarrassed by somebody eleven years his junior. He looks completely baffled at how quickly he lost to you. You don't really want to brag, but you once got pretty far in a Street Fighter tournament yourself, so beating somebody like Waver was like taking candy from a baby. You look back at Sakura to see her hugging the plush cat you got her while she observes you make quick work of the older magus. Who for a moment looks like he's going to get mad before he takes a deep breath. "Would you... Would you mind telling me how you did half of that stuff?" Unexpectedly, Waver asks you for assistance in playing the game better."Of course, it's really quite simple to pull off most of what I did when you know how. First off, you'll need to actually know the basic controls..." You end up explaining the mechanics of the game to Waver for a good twenty minutes, the young magus clearly registering everything you tell him about the game to try to improve his own skill at playing.As you finish up your explanation to Waver about the game, giving him really just a rundown that will allow him to not get completely stomped by just about anybody on the planet, he thanks you. "You've been a great help at teaching me how to play, but I would really like to know the name of the person who's teaching me to play. I'm Waver Mackenzie." The teenager gives you an uncertain smile as he gives you his fake last name."Oh me? I'm Shinji Matou." You see the teenagers eyes narrow just slightly upon the revelation of your family name. "I know a lot about games you see, in fact. I even got some... secret information about a few games that are gonna be released soon." You decide it might be somewhat amusing to mess with the man just a little."Secret... information?" Waver doesn't sound convinced by your declaration. But he does seem to be humoring your claim, at least.
"Yeah! About Street Fighter Three! It's gonna be called New Generation, and there's gonna be and all new cast of fighters! Like Ibuki! Or Sean! Oh! And the final boss is this really strong blonde haired guy called Gill!" Oops. Waver freezes up at that for a seconds, before giving you a very strained smile. His eyes are darting about the arcade as if looking for somebody come to finish off the Master of Rider. After a moment, he appears to calm down a little. "W-what's the matter, mister? Are you ok?""Ah... my apologies, Matou-san. I just got reminded of something stressful that happened to me recently is all." He frowns, obviously remembering the death of Iskandar at the hands of Gilgamesh. That was a misstep you probably ought to have avoided, but still. Too late now. "W-well I also know about some other games. Like... the... the best game ever made comes out next year!" Waver raises an eyebrow at that one. "It's called Chrono Trigger! It's gonna be really great!" Waver just looks confused of what to him must appear to just be childish optimism about an as yet unreleased game. Unexpectedly, before you can say anything else to Waver, a small hand intertwines with your own, Sakura deciding to hold your hand of her own accord, giving you a very very faint smile as you turn to face her. "Onii-chan, we... we ought to be getting back now. It's getting late, and... Grandfather might get upset." Despite Sakura's small and slightly sad smile, you can't help but feel a little crushed about not being able to do more for the girl. Though based on her change of honorific, it appears that she does actually like you a little after today. That's... something of a relief, at least. Still, you wish you could do more."Oh. I see." You speak calmly despite the roiling tempest of emotions within you. "Well, I suppose this is farewell for now, Mackenzie-san." You bid farewell to Waver as you lead Sakura away and back home. She's hugging the giant black plush toy with one arm, and holding your hand with her other. She probably doesn't want to return to the mansion, but she's looking a little more determined now than she was when you first met her. In some way, that's at least a minor victory over Zouken. Yet it's a victory that can easily be used against you if Zouken does end up deciding you are an obstacle to his plans. You just hope that by the time that comes, you'll have gotten a plan together allowing you to kill him for good as well as rescue Sakura from his foul clutches.
>>4326342whats the minimum? He's totally on the throne
You eventually get back to the Matou mansion as a summer night begins to fall, stepping into the large and empty home, you're half expecting Byakuya or Zouken to be at the door to greet the two of you. Instead, Sakura simply carefully places the cat plush down next to the door, and walks off towards the basement. You grit your teeth as she walks away from you. This evil cannot be allowed to go unpunished. No suffering is too great for Zouken's crimes. You... you want to make sure that he dies in pain. Suffering just as he has caused Sakura to suffer.Shaking your head to try to dispel the thoughts of violently murdering your ancestor, you head upstairs to bed. The one problem you've really discovered with such a young body is that you tend to get tired far easier than an adult would, and you're already about ready for bed. While you would like to try to read a few of the Matou tomes and grimoires, you just don't have the energy left in your small body. You basically just climb into bed and close your eyes, trying not to think of the horrors going on down below and failing quite terribly. Eventually, you manage to drift off, the only thing aiding you in your sleep is that eventually, you'll be able to fix all of this, and put a stop to the meaningless suffering Sakura is being put through. Zouken genuinely doesn't even remember what he set out to do.As you fall asleep though, you find yourself having an incredibly strange dream, within the dream...>...you are watching a world that seems to be dissolving away into nothingness>...a humanoid figure stares at you as its body constantly shifts into different shapes.>...A seed born of nothing sprouts into a sprawling forest, crawling with life.>>Additional Vote: Timeskip or continue as an eight year old? (If there is a vote to skip forward in time, a subvote will be held to determine how you spend that time)>Timeskip half a year>Timeskip one year>Timeskip two years>Continue as eight year old Shinji.
>>43263711800's is the cut-off point iirc.
>>4326376he's still on there. Guy probably wrestled with the world to get a spot
>>4326372>...you are watching a world that seems to be dissolving away into nothingness>Timeskip two years
>>4326372>...you are watching a world that seems to be dissolving away into nothingness>Timeskip one yearLETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO. Anyway, I think one year is good enough, it'll give us enough time for Shirou to get accommodated with his new life and for Rin to mourn and get used to Kirei
wait, when did Shirou do the high jump thing?
>>4326390It was in middle school, so it's more than 2 years in the future right now.
>>4326395and when did Shirou and Shinji meet?
wait when did Kerry die, I feel like we need to know that before we timeskip
>>4326404wait figured it out, it was in 5 years before the 5th HGW so in 1999. So if we timeskip, we have like 3 years to try and save Kiritsugu if thats our goal
>>4326407And of course it isn't.
>>4326372>...A seed born of nothing sprouts into a sprawling forest, crawling with life.>Timeskip half a year
>>4326387I change my vote to >Timeskip two yearsIt'll be good for Waver to stew in those predictions we gave him and nothing major will change in 2 years, so its better age up and let Shirou and Rin get used to their new life before we seek them out
>>4326410well at the very least we should actually get Kiritsugu to train Shirou (and also promise him that we'll save Illya cause goddammit he deserves that at least)
>>4326420See >>4326030. I don't think it's wise to have Kiri train Shirou. I'm willing to compromise though, and meet you that far if we're not saving him and any attempt to rescue Illya is done by us alone.
>>4326372>>...a humanoid figure stares at you as its body constantly shifts into different shapes.>>Timeskip half a year
>>4326431Yeah I don't know how good of an idea it is to just let Shirou do whatever until the HGW, we can't just bank on us alone being able to do everything, even if it costs Shirou UBW, having him learn to be a proper Mage lets Saber actually fight like normal and honestly i'm not even 100% on saving Kiritsugu, it feels like if we go through with that, we're gonna end up turning his house into an orphanage
>>4326442>we're gonna end up turning his house into an orphanageI'm fine with that. It already houses every random vagrant they come across in side stories and shit. Just set up some anti-ishtar devices and we're golden.
I thought UBW came from Avalon being in him didn really have to do with him not learning much
>>4326451yeah his Origin is Sword or some shit
>>4326460Then we should be fine healing daddy Emiya.
>>4326451Doesn't Miyu's Shirou still have it in Prisma Illya, even though he was properly trained in magecraft? That suggests he should still get it, even if he doesn't retard into it. He uses projection still too.
>>4326469I feel like saving Kiritsugu is gonna come up soon and I still have no idea what to do, morally speaking though, its the right thing to do and I wanna run as a morally virtuous Shinji so that's what I gotta go for. I'm fully on "saving Kiritsugu" right now until convinced otherwise>>4326473yeah its just slightly different in that its snowing instead of a wasteland
>>4326483We have to save Kerry and groom Illya and love taiga
>>4326483You've got my support. Honestly, I don't mind trying to waifu Illya, but I don't want it to come from manipulation. That feels more like canon Shinji shit. Let's give her a good family.
So the worst character in Zero worms his way into survival because it's "the right thing to do". Damn, that blows. I gotta hope there are some people who see it my way when it comes to the voting.
anyone have any guesses about what the dreams could mean though? the first choice is obvious but two and three are peaking my interest
>>4326520well his survival is very tenuous if that makes you feel better, Gray, Rhongomyniad and Waver being able to jumpstart Avalon enough to heal Kerry is still wishful thinking at the moment.
>>4326503It's just consciously playing on the same situation Shirou played on unconsciously. That's just standard VN capture planning. Canon Shinji was a rapist. I'd say there's a pretty fucking huge difference there.>>4326542Point.
>>4326520Nah Kerry is based.
>>4326523I think two is an amalgamation of fictional characters (You) has knowledge of.And 3 is writing parts of the story, instead of deleting them.Anyone have any other ideas?
>>4326523>>4326549Destruction, Transformation and Creation? >>4326544>It's just consciously manipulating an abused and damaged girl starved for positive attention to love us.
>>4326554Like I said. Same thing Shirou did, but intentionally. Standard capture target planning for someone who plays VNs, and we know the isekai'd person did.
>>4326554yeah then I feel like first choice is to go, All Fiction as /a/ envisioned it was pretty fucking hax but that drawback really bad it something special
>>4326560Could you explain the drawback?
>>4326560I don't know, man. If the second is actually transformation and it worked on other things, just imagine what we could do with it. We could get a waifu better then Illya.
>>4326567Well the drawback and the power itself are interlinked, you can erase everything because to (You) Fate/Stay Night is fictional, but by accepting the reality that none of it is real, you also let in the idea that your quest doesn't matter. So it doesn't actually matter that you're trying to save Sakura and Illya or that you care for Shirou and Rin, they aren't real.
>>4326523I think the first one is standard All-Fiction deletion.I think the second one allows the user to transform all or parts of himself into fictional characters.I think the third one summons living things out of fiction. If it were just general creation, I don't think it'd stress the living aspect so much in the dream description.
can we at least agree that we're going through with the Dragon Blood plan?
>>4326574I don't really think that would be the case though.The guy obviously cared about them before when they were just in a fictional universe he could only watch, and now he can interact with them first hand.
>>4326583What plan is that?
>>4326596the one where we get Medea to summon her dragon, EMIYA to kill it with anti-dragon NPs and we bathe in the blood to get a power up
>>4326601I thought Medea couldn't summon her dragon unless she was summoned as a Rider.
>>4326451Avalon did affect him by warping his Origin to Sword, but UBW is created through Shirou, or rather EMIYA's way of life. The moment you try to fuck around with his backstory like "hey let's save kerry" or "hey let's make him able to use magecraft" is the moment you alter his way of life to the point where he might not even be able to use UBW like HF Shirou.Anyway, on the topic of Servant, there is one servant that is definitely able to destroy Zouken easily, be able to remove the crestworms from Sakura, have interest to help preserve Illya's life, put the HGW ritual to a stop, and probably wipe the floor with any combatant short of Gil in 5th HGW that Shinji should be able to summon due to strong personal connection.Summon the Archmagus Makiri Zolgen in his prime as Caster, and let him figure out how to deal with this shitstorm.
>>4326609she can, she just can't control it, which is why ya gotta kill it
>>4326612Miyu's Shirou suggests he will still get it even if he's got a family and is a proper mage. Since we don't know what WhatIs is pulling from as "canon" to the quest either, we need to refrain from saying "Things MUST happen like this for UBW."
So hey, guys. What would you think about summoning Ruler Arthur Bernhard
>>4326625Miyuverse Shirou is also a standard fanfic Shirou wank, we already know from HF that wanting to save one person over the world makes it so that Shirou is no longer compatible with UBWThen again, I no longer know what is hard canon now with the fate series being the garbage trainwreck of fanfiction writers making nasu all the money
>>4326652It made Shirou incompatible with Archer's UBW.He could develop his own and be perfectly fine.
>>4326652>wanting to save one person over the world makes it so that Shirou is no longer compatible with UBWWasn't that Archer's UBW, because he no longer had the same mindset as Archer? Shirou could still develop his own. If his life is different, UBW might have subtle changes to represent that, like Miyu's Shirou's UBW being a snowfield, though.
>>4326372>>Timeskip two yearsI would like some input on what we do in the meantime
>>4326372>...A seed born of nothing sprouts into a sprawling forest, crawling with life.this as well
>>4326416alright, changing it one more time to >Timeskip half a yearMy bad but our previous discussions have made me realize that we can't set around and let Kerry die just like that, time is a factor and the sooner we get comfortable with the Emiya household, the better our odds are at saving and allying with Kerry
>>4326660Yeah, EMIYA developed UBW nearing the end of his life after contracting with Alaya. The only way to get UBW up and running anywhere near the future is by downloading EMIYA's UBW through the soul resonance, which is no bueno if this Shirou is set to run a different OS entirely, hell even Miyuverse Shirou only has that because of him mainlining EMIYA off the card
>>4326699okay so we get Shirou to train early so UBW develops earlier, also what sort of major changes could happen to Shirou that would prevent UBW? Like, we'd straight up need to constantly probe him about his hero mentality to get him to question it and change
>>4326709UBW is like a culmination of EMIYA's lifetime worth of experience, it's not something that he could dabble as a teenager and expect to have a working form of it. Like the only reason Shirou become functional in Fate is literally because he unconsciously downloading EMIYA's memories and skill from the resonance
>>4326372>...you are watching a world that seems to be dissolving away into nothingness>Timeskip two yearsI'd like to skip to 2004, but this will do.
>>4326372>...A seed born of nothing sprouts into a sprawling forest, crawling with life.<