Was Vince Russo working for McMahon all along and deliberately trying to kill WCW? Or was he just a shoot retard who did it accidentally?
nah he just honestly didn’t see how this was a bad look because in real life he *isn’t* the type of guy to cower to goldberg. he would get in his face in an argument. he should’ve realized the marks at home couldn’t comprehend this, comprehend being a man and it alienated them. they think it’s not feasible to argue with someone bigger than you. the dude was shoot ballsy, though. this is a guy who got bumped up from writing raw magazine online to being on the creative team and within a year he sent cornette to OVW. he had guts man.
Based Chico burying this angle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebrLmu_mMcg
>>148264Bryan needs to take a chill pill
>>147956i used to think he was doing it for vince but it turns out hes a yankees fan so he actually is retarded
>>148496russo is a giants fan
>>147985>he was ballsyNo you sucked balls Rusetty. Stfu
>>148751>Yankees and Giants are NY teamsGo outside and learn about the world faggot
>>148758He was ballsy. He pushed the envelope so far that we will never get over it.
>>148764>He was ballsy.>reminder this is the guy who cried on stream for money
There was a video of Russo before he left for the wcw that I saw where he was very soft spoken and maintained a different demeanor. It's possible he left and embodied the shock jock gimmick similar to vince's devil boss gimmick, or he could have been paid to do off to torpedo the brand. I'm gonna guess he just tried and failed on an already sinking ship
>>147956*draws higher ratings than any mark shitter indie dweebs on TV today*Nothing personal, kid. >>148264What a mentally ill mark. Someone remind him he's never worked for legitimate company and he's a mark with a mic. IMAGINE watching wrestling every waking moment of your life.
Also, IMAGINE getting worked by someone's wrestling persona 21 years later.
Vince McMahon is great at filtering out other people's terrible ideas but terrible at filtering his own bad ideas. That's why everyone seems competent at WWE and terrible in their own.Russo wasn't working with Vin to take down WCW he just had way too many stupid ideas and no one to tell him no.
>>148780Wait he doesn't live in his mom's basement.He lives in his mom's attic.
>>148970Where has his great filtering been the last two decades?
>>148974Steve Austin, the Rock, and Foley left kiddo.Russo is so overrated LMAO
>>148981yeah they left before 2000 ok
>>148981Rocky Maivia was really putting those butts in seats. You realise those characters are written for, right?
>>148961*does lower PPV buys with WCW 20 years ago than AEW does today*KWAB
>>148763He's a San Francisco Giants fan you embarrassingly dumb piece of shit.
>>148961the state of this reddit spacing
>>148989*is contracted to produce TV ratings*Read a book and learn how the industry works, fatboi.
>thread derails into another Russocuck headcanon messoh no, not again.
>>148994I love it when you marks can't argue with logic and facts and data so you pull out the memes. Maybe that's why you still watch wrestling in the current year. >>149002Headcanon? Everything I say can be backed up with facts and data, not dirtsheet mark bullshit. I forget you guys can't think for yourselves, maybe go ask Magoo for another opinion.
>>147956Bischoff killed WCW not Russo. Bischoff uses Russo as a scapegoat. In reality Bischoff killed it because he thought having all these huge expensive contracts would be a good idea
>>148988>I had some crazy out of box ideas>I had>ideas>He'd always say"fuck yeah let's do it"Rock literally showing Russo didnt write shit. He just was around immense talent.
>>148997Lol what a cope. Imagine if the a company’s Twitter page started posting porn and the sales of their product began to sink. “BUH BUH BUT MY TWITTER PAGE IS ON FIRE! IM NOT IN SALES! NOT MY PROBLEM!” What a sloppy way of thinking
>>149014I know it's hard for you to believe, but back then the wrestlers actually had input on their characters so they weren't all vanilla midgets with the same character like now.
>>148969The state of this cope. Nobody thinks Russo is a retard because of his on screen character. They think he's a retard because he thought it was a good idea to do a bunch of worked shoot booking for sheet readers
>>149019>memesI know you don't have a job so don't understand what it means to get paid to do a specific job.
>>148985Foley retired in early 2000. SCSA and the Rock had their hottest years from 1998 and 2000 and then both left by 2003 at which point the wrestling boom cooled down. They were still pulling in high house show attendances and buyrates into 2002.Unironically thinking that Vince Russo coming up with Val Venis was the reason why there was a wrestling boom is SHOOT DANG RETARDED. GET AN IQ TEST SON.
>>148974>Vince McMahon: billionaire making record profit>Vince Russo: still begging for a job from Vince McMahon
>>149021I know you want to straw man but saying someone is writing characters for people and then quickly saying "they had input" when they literally say the ideas were their's is distilled faggotry.
>>148988This screenshot is meaningless, the Rock puts over everyone.Russo's role in creating the Rock was minimal. In the end all he was doing was contributing to a script also written by others and then edited down by McMahon, before being read out by a strong roster towards which Russo had little impact upon.
>>148997Was he contracted to produce 80k PPV buys and to have half-full buildings? Because he was amazing at that.
>>149029Holy finna cope! If your performance is effecting other branches performance you ain’t doing your job well! He ain’t getting work today because everyone knows Russo is a shitter
>>148961>What a mentally ill mark.He watches wrestling and talks about it. So does Russo. The difference is that Alvarez makes more money doing it than Russo does. And I notice you didn't actually attempt to argue any of the points he made.
>>149032So, all the characters from top to bottom wrote for themselves?Why did Vinnie Mac even hire writers then? Did he just feel chartable? No one has been as successful as Russo since and you can't handle it. >>149044I forgot you were sitting in the meetings, my mistake. If Vinnie Mac is such a great filter can you please explain why the ratings have gone down every week near enough with fail for near 20 years now? I'm looking forward to the mental gymnastics you produce for this one. >>149055Do you think I actually watched that clip? I can hear you marks talk about wrestling I don't need to hear an ageing loser do it too. Nothing he says has any merit, he wasn't there and he's just another dweeb with an obsession with fake fighting but unfortunately has an avenue to spew his shit to all the fat marks and you eat it up. >>149046Yeah, you're right, can you show me one other writer or booker who has been as successful in bringing eyeballs to the product since Russo got out of the game?
>>149081>Do you think I actually watched that clip?concession accepted
>>149099You're absolutely right. Some mark with a podcast who's never worked for a legitimate wrestling company, doesn't understand the inner workings is right over people who were actually there at the time...I'm surprised he didn't bury his head in the sand after refusing to do the Starrcast debate with Bischoff, but after seeing how well Eric buried that RD mark and absolutely obliterated that mark bible book it's no surprise really.
>>149118What are you rambling on about, you weirdo? If you don't know what he said, how do you know he was wrong?
>>149055no the difference is russo worked in every major company, drew the highest rating,was vince right hand man for 3 years while alvarez is just a mark posing as wrestling journalist with the king of marks dave meltzer
>>149136ha king of marks i like it
>>149132I've heard enough of his rants to know exactly what he said. He's just another mark with a platform, they are all the same.
>>149136>drew the highest ratingkek no he didn't, you mark
>>149150So you can't actually dispute any of the points he made about how incredibly stupid that angle was? And presumably you can't dispute that the PPV the angle built towards did atrocious business? OK, I shall once again accept your concession.
>>149162Why would his points hold any water? Can you explain that.
>>149192Why wouldn't they? Because he didn't work there? Russo hasn't worked in WWE for years but he still talks about them all the time, and you still send him your money for it, Russosimp.
>>149237He wasn't there, he never worked for WCW would be two right from the start. Difference is, Russo has worked for all the major companies and understands the inner workings whilst dirtsheet marks have never done such a thing.
>>147956Russo didn't just kill WCW, he killed wrestling itself. He blew it all up by revealing to everybody that it's fake without a shadow of a doubt, hotshotting angles, hotshotting titles, making DQs a regular thing on television. Russo has done irreparable damage to this once great sport, and all of the talent in the world couldn't convince the chads to come back.
>>149241How does a guy who hasn't worked in any company for years know about the inner workings of current wrestling, you sperg?
>>149152drew the highest rating for wwe drew the highest rating for tna and ur saying no he didnt lol go back and listen to ur little wannabe alvarez and pedo meltzer mark
>>149256You know a lot of people Russo worked with are still there, right? He's got actual intel, not Heyman trying to get himself over. >>149247This is new level of cope. Success apparently kills a business?
>>148974You didn't read fag. I said he's own ideas can be terrible too. He needs a Russo who has 1 good idea for every 3 terrible ones
>>149260>drew the highest rating for wweobjectively untrue>drew the highest rating for tnathat's like being the healthiest guy with AIDS
>>149269It does if you have too much of it. Throwing away long term booking just so you can "shock" your audience every week is a great way to kill your show. Eventually they will become desensitized to the shock value and will move onto something else, considering wrestling to be boring, similar to how a junkie views being sober. So while it seems like you're winning for those first few years, eventually you'll run into a 2001 where no one cares anymore no matter what you do.
>>149247The Chads left because of the vanilla midgets spot monkeys hogging up the television time you absolutely sperging retard. No one apart of braindead marks want to watch 25+ matches with no storyline behind it. >>149278So you're essentially saying no one could follow up on Russo as they weren't talented enough to do so? I forgot every show on television has to be boring tripe in case they pop a rating.
>>149278Don't try and reason with Russofags. They believe that popping a rating is all that matters. Even if you had to give away your PPV main event to do it.
>>149192Why don't you watch it and explain where he is wrong? Answer: because you can't, because he isn't.
>>149289The television industry is built on how many people are watching or are you too stupid to realise that? That's how they sell ad space and how they make money.
>>149296He's wrong by default because he wasn't involved and has never been involved so nothing he says holds any water. You're a mark if you actually listen to these dirtsheet retards.
>>149301This is painfully retarded. Under your logic, every journalist is automatically wrong, even if what they're reporting is factually accurate. Only people who had made films, could review films.
>>149337>journalist A dirtsheet writer is not a journalist.Difference is, when you read a review of a film as such you're taking that persons opinion and liable to make your own opinion up after you've watched. You marks take what these dirtsheet writers say as gospel and run with it and will try to bury everyone that doesn't agree with their uninformed viewpoint. Russo was there, Alvarez wasn't. Alvarez can have his own opinion but he sells it like what he's saying is factually correct when it never is. That's the biggest issue with dirtsheet writers, they report everything as FACT when you can poke holes in it for hours, if they started everything with "in my opinion" then I doubt many people would have an issue.
>>149356This level of cope just to avoid admitting that Alvarez was right and that this angle was the shits. Embarrassing.
>>149445>logic>copeNow I know you're actually Alvarez.
>>149605>i didn't listen to what a guy said but he must definitely be wrong about what he said because he was talking about something that happened in a place he didn't work which you aren't allowed to do if you write a newsletter>logic
>>149646I've listened to the accounts of people who were there, I have no need to listen to the opinion of a deluded mark who has a hatred for Russo because Russo stood for everything these dirtsheet marks hate: Entertainment.
>>147956>Russo>McMahon plantKek. If anyone was sent there to destroy shit, it was Hogan and Nash. Look what happened when they were allowed to self book. They kept almost EVERYONE down. Who knows what else they did to sabotage careers and the promo itself.
>>149689>it was Hogan and Nash.>They kept almost EVERYONE down>Who knows what else they didI know for a fact Nash kept a couple of guys down by himself back in the day
>>147956doesnt make sense at all as shown by >>148974the ratings were up when he was with wwe. the reason why he left is because when smackdown started, he essentially had to double the work with no pay raise
>>149081> Yeah, you're rightYou could have just stopped here, thanks for admitting defeat. Buh-bye retard!
>all the russo tranny headcanon ITTlmao
>>150016>couldn't answer a simple questionUh-oh, looks like you got blown out you dweeb.>>150081Since when is facts and data headcanon you fat fuck?
>>147956Russo is based
>How about we make an angle where we say Goldberg refused to follow the script and talk about Kevin Nash booking himself to win starrcade 1998 on commentary - at the same time we'll still pretend the other matches are real.*viewership plummets*>Wooooooowww
>>151288Can you explain to me how any of this is different to AEW's wink wink nudge nudge type booking, and the obvious gymnastics and spots? None of what they do looks like a "real" fight to me.
>>151308>people doing flips is the same as commentary talking about who has been booked to win this match and then praising the loser of the match for "being a professional" as he takes the finisher
>>151322I'm talking about the whole show not a handful of moments. You guys have NOTHING on Russo but those things, yet we Russochads could pick holes in twenty years of shit ratings killing booking if we didn't tune out when you smarks killed the business.
>>151288Kek they did this in only the first week of Russo's Nitro. Buff Bagwell began a programme against "the writers" and complained about being asked to job. Two weeks later he then wins a match that he was "supposed" to job in. It's really cringe to watch.>at the same time we'll still pretend the other matches are real.Basically this.
>>151366*comment about angle*>can you explain how this is different from AEW?*explains how angle is different from AEW*>I'm talking about the whole show not a handful of moments.So this is the power of Russo""""""""chads""""""""
>>151390You didn't explain at all, you went back to the same tired well. What I'm asking is, how is anything Russo did for the five seconds he was in WCW any different to the AEW geeks YouTube fourth wall breaking tripe that bleeds into AEW's show, and the whole show is twinks doing flips that don't look anything like fighting - isn't that the point of wrestling, to suspend your disbelief?
>>151407>isn't that the point of wrestling, to suspend your disbelief?well if that's the case russo fails miserably given he literally tells the audience the show is fake
>>151419How did one of the most successful writers in wrestling history who's never been surpassed "fail"?
>>151472Point to someone who's been as of successful since.
>>151490any writer in wwe since they didn't kill the company
>>151236Lmaooo just look at Russo making videos of his basement. He couldn’t draw flies to shit that’s why he got finna fired from every promotion he’s worked out. Go sit in the corner with your juice box kid
>>151550Nice meme answer. Want to try again?>>151693Which company? He was never fired from WWF, WCW or TNA? Oh, you're spouting bullshit again. My bad.
>>152786Getting uppity Russofag take a chill pill
>>148981Nigga do you understand that someone needs to write shit for them? Wrestling would have never experienced the boom if it just had guys wrestling and cutting promos. Undertaker kidnapping Austin from hospital trying to embalm him? Austin saving Stephanie from Taker trying to sacrifice her? Rock throwing Austin over a bridge? Mick Foley at hospital visiting McMahon with Socko and Austin attacking him with bedpan? That was all Russo and big reason why even non wrestling fans got hooked.
>>155800>Mick Foley at hospital visiting McMahon with SockoThat was all Vince and Mick. As a matter of fact Vince didn't want to know what Mick was going to do cause he wanted to give a real reaction
>>155839Yeah, Russo wrote that scene to happen tough. And next show he saw all the socko signs in crowd and told Foley to keep doing it.
>>147985I think this post was written by vince russo