>>11605719
also they fired their biggest star for no reason

>>11605734
>no reason
He’s be suing them if he lost 5 mil+ for “no reason”.

>>11605719
damn! did Dave borrow HHH’s shovel because he fucking buried Tony 6th under!

>>11605734
Jade's contract expired and she decided to leave.

It’s over, troonbros. What are we going to do?

>>11605719
Dave don’t miss

>>11605749
GMS

>>11605719
OJAMABROS.. OUR RESPONSE?

>>11605719
Where's the lie?

>>11605719
Didn't Tony Khan recently say he's done listening to criticism of his booking? I'd expect the show to get worse from here on out.

>>11605719
based Dave with the face turn

>>11605719
So Dave now agrees that having 100 guys all with their own belt and putting them in heatless exhibition matches ad nauseam is not the best way to book a wrestling show. Maybe he isn't so bad after all.

>>11605719
> too many titles : title matches mean nothing because everyone who’s anyone has a title . Even titles from outside AEW hurt the show. The value of any championship has gone down tremendously.

This was an issue this time last year and they solved it by shuffling ROH off to the side. For awhile it was just Claudio and Cage showing up in AEW and their ROH titles were a side note. Then they started taping ROH with Collision and we're back to square one.

Based. Did Dave become non-senile all of a sudden or is this just a fluke?

>>11605719
what's 50 50 booking

>>11605719
>Being the 2nd place promotion who isn’t fighting for number 1 isn’t good
wow what great insight. $12 per month please

Where's the link?

>>11605853
Traditionally, big stars were booked to win far more often than lose, with the help of jobbers and enhancement talent. The further up the card you get, the more often you win, and if two wrestlers have a feud, one of them comes out the decisive winner after several matches. When the booking is 50/50, wins and losses are traded back and forth whereby nobody gets a solid win streak or looks strong but nobody is constantly jobbing either. Some people believe this is the wrong way to book wrestling and that it hinders people from getting over.

>>11605853
Trading wins

>>11605719
AEW 100% needs a clear out. There's just too much in the way of TV time

>Dave realizing a show catered to him is bad

It really is EWR booking. You have your plans and programs, and then you kind of get bored after they're all done and just throw shit together. Though, unlike EWR, his people aren't over enough to get away with that this kind of booking and it shows. He did it for a bit, but he never built anyone other than MJF (who also has nothing to do).

>>11605719
He made a really good point about the open challenges. They're happening too much and now 3 belts are being defended more or less weekly (TBS, International and Tag Titles) without feuds.

>>11605840
If you're asking this question you have ignored the one and only rule here:
>/pw/ is always wrong
Dave has always been critical of AEW, he was strongly against Orange Cassidy until he he looked at his ratings/merch numbers. He's juts not a schizo braindead edrone piece of shit about it

>>11605719
based Hollywood Dave joining the /pw/ NWO and turning heel on that pissant compamy

>>11605719
He also whined about the hung bucks upcoming job to mogul embassy

>>11605872
I didn’t link it in the OP because his frustrations are scattered throughout the show but most of it is around he collision review

>>11605912
Yeah today hotshoting tomorrow feuds, depending of who goes over, not a perfect world but the one we have

>>11605719
these are all fair points desu

>>11605918
>/pw/ is always wrong
So you're wrong?

>>11605924
And he was right, paying them the largest contracts in history to go back to shoveling ROH's shit is retarded

https://vocaroo.com/12wfgb6JR8Ej
Whoops here’s the show

>>11605938
you tell me

>>11605719

100% convinced TK is using a random match generator for his booking decisions. It’s like he imported his roster into 2k23 and just letting the game book the matches.

>>11605924
Bucks suck dick, but they're paid way more. Tony's "jobs" make no sense. I would've beat the shit out of Bryan for suggesting to job to Garcia and Yuta as well. That killed him right then and there.

>>11605719
Dave is directly responsible for destroying AEW with the Punk/Elite rumors. Tony should ruin this faggot.

>>11605959
He 100% uses EWR to book. He probably generates his cards using Sophie.

>>11605942
>to go back to shoveling ROH's shit is retarded

I know The Hardys are washed but having them lose to Dutch and the guy that used to cosplay as Jeff with practically no build was stupid. Why is Tony trying to make ROH a thing on AEW TV?

>>11605970
>>11605924
The guys at the top of the card jobbing to the 'up and comers' never seems to have the intended effect in AEW. WWE has this problem too (Theory beating Cena did absolutely nothing for Theory), but it seems to be especially common in AEW.

Is he going to be forced to give Tony Booker of the Year again? He clearly implied he only won it last year because his subscribers would have freaked out if Tony lost

>>11606037
Dave's awards don't mean shit

>>11606025
> it did nothing for theory
He just did an interview segment with a mega star who hasn’t shown up to tv in 4 years in an all time classic moment . You’re a smark , take the mark pill and smarten up

>>11606064
That was the first time Theory has done anything of note since Wrestlemania. Also, nice punctuation, good morning sir.

>>11606064
He was in the Damien Sandow/Baron Corbin/Erick Rowan spot i.e. the geek heel there to take all of Rock's shit

>>11606064
You're being an E-Drone, lol. These segments mean nothing. Santino and Elias have done segments with stars. Rowan was Rock's last match. Corbin was fucking Kurt Angle's last match. IT doesn't mean anything when you have a guy nobody cares about interacting with a top-star. It never has.

Look at the entire New Blood vs Millionaire's Club feud if you want a better example. This shit rarely ever works and when the cope is, "BU-BU-BUT HE WAS SEEN WITH A STAR!!!" it means even less. Theory beat John fucking Cena and it didn't mean shit. Dude doesn't have IT.

Jobbing out established talent to people like this does absolutely nothing. AEW fucked up with Bryan and they basically made the Hardy's worthless. WWE got nothing out of Theory either. It's a stupid move that only works in theory (hiyo!) but is almost never executed well-enough.

>>11606111
>didn't read
now type all of that again without crying

>>11606089
Nice not watching the show tranny. My point (which went over your smark head) was that without the win to Cena , he would never been slotted in that spot to begin with.

>>11606107
Sandi’s/Rowan/and your mother could never stand toe to toe on a promo with the Rock like Theory did.

>>11606025
Serious question: Why is this the case? Are the vets not making look strong in victory...?

>>11606111
mucho texto

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>>11606111
Not reading any of this smark shit , you wrote all that? How ya doing JD for. New York?

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>>11605719
Dave in a very inarticulate way cuts to the chase. The majority of AEW's fans are disaffected WWE fans that grew sour on the only mainstream option. AEW gave these fans a home, but WWE for the most part has dropped the overly silly stuff and Vinceisms. So Tony has way less breathing room to be a dog shit booker

>>11606151
Theory, Garcia and Sammy are not and will never be main eventers

>>11606151
It’s flat. The wyatt larpers best the Hardy’s in a nothing match without any build. Why would anyone care? It’s like when action Andy beat Jericho but even less pop for the win and even less reason to care. It’s lazy really.

>>11605912
cena’s us title run has influences people in the worst way

>>11606230
It was done correctly though . It was random matches with surprise guests and it was exciting because at the time no one else was doing it. Who’s gonna show up this week ? Who’s gonna beat John? Kevin did it and it made Kevin.

These ones in AEW don’t cultivate shit.

Hopefully TK actually listens to Meltzer and makes the show not shit since Meltzer is his god

>>11605821
Say what you will about Dave's tastes, but he's really the only dirtsheet geek that is autistic enough to look at the numbers of their cratering attendance and actually go, 'hey maybe they should try something different?' Last year, he more or less told his readers they were retards for voting Tony for booker of the year even as AEW declined in every single business metric.

>>11605982
kek

>>11606258
it was fine because it was john cena, so all the matches had heat. no one gives a fuck about ftr or wes lee or whatever shitter does it nowadays

>>11605719
Who in the fuck gives a single shit about matt or Jeff hardy in 2023. They should be putting people over.

>>11605734
Based Sonny Kiss fan.

Yes AEWs problem is they ruined all the stars they had/created.

Hangman went from face of the company to playing second fiddle to bucks
Bryan is a glorified jobber
Acclaimed jobbed to Gunns for no reason just for a shitty FTR reign
Wasted Jade by not having her face main eventers
Omega is a glorified jobber


Its not hard to see why AEWs ticket sales are down when guys like Moxley and Omega spent months doing 3 man tag matches.

>>11605719
Meltzer stating the obvious is funny. This has been true for awhile but it doesn't matter because he is the very reason Tony feels validated in thinking he knows how to book, which he doesnt. Tony is going to just point to those neckbeard awards he got from Dave the same way most of the wrestlers in his locker room point to imaginary stars instead of the money they bring in to prove they're good. This fed was made by a disenfranchised WWE fan, for disenfranchised WWE fans. he has gone into full bunker mentality where any criticism from anyone is labeled "bad faith" essentially meaning there is no way to critique the show. That means it can't improve. It is literally the same mentality these same disenfranchised fans had about WWE. Tony will cannibalize this fanbase. The show is going to continue to stagnant because his whole idea of injecting excitement in it is signing ex-WWE people and booking badly. Sashit will be his next example of this.

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>>11605719
Some of that sounds familiar

>>11606258
Nice alt history, you fucking clown. It was Seth who won the US championship against Cena, only for Cena to win it back and then lose to fucking Alberto Del Rio.

> and the Hardy’s putting over roh talent.

Both can barely move and Jeff got to AEW and immediately fucked up. You’re going to risk pushing someone with his track record? I understand jobbing him until you know he’s serious about staying clean.

>>11606328
please stop, you're embarrassing yourself. There's nothing worse than smarks pretending like they're insiders.

>>11605719
https://youtu.be/bt89vqRZ-ME?si=l57-41-YyRL9tPnQ&t=2737

>>11606277
Meltz has hilarious taste but he's a bit of a based retard at times.

>>11606377
They were obviously slated to get a decent push and were supposedly going to win the tag belts until Jeff did Jeff things.

>>11606328

Those awards were decided by the readers, retard. If you read last year's issue, you'd know if they were up to Dave, Triple H would've won Booker of the Year.

>>11605734
Phil was too manly for the AEW locker room. Hes got too much T, while the "men" there have very very little. It was never going to work.

>>11605719
AEW's booking and general direction have taken a nose dive since Tony hired that jogger to help him book

>>11606410
>Those awards were decided by the readers
Who are just literal sycophants who vote for whoever Meltzer tells them is worthwhile. That is the reason they pay $12. To be told an opinion and uphold it. If Tony's booking is shit it is because those same neckbeards and Meltzer himself have validated him and told him he is good. Complaining now is just great irony mixed schadenfreude.

>>11605719
Dave desperately wants AEW to succeed. So he overreacts to everything that happens with them, both good and bad. I remember when they got one particularly bad rating a while back and he went into full panic mode and basically started encouraging Tony to hotshot.

On what talent is Britt established talent? She sucks and has never been to wwe.

>>11606459
did dave meltzer molest you or something?

>>11606520
>did dave meltzer molest you or something?
No anon Meltzer didn't do to me what you keep trying to do to every underage boy you converse about wrestling with online. Something you should stop doing by the by.

>>11606541
Nice projection. It's a common thing for victims to start to fantasize and eventually become a predator too.

>>11605734
Cody was not fired

>>11606570
>It's a common thing for victims
Seems you a lot anon. Meaning you're probably a diddler or someone who wants to diddle. Point is you should stop paying $12 for opinions about fake fighting and trying to coerce kids to send you nudes you degenerate faggot.

>>11605825
They need to dump rampage and turn ROH into an old NXT thing where they cultivate a local audience and use it as developmental. The three hour live taping a suck for an audience

>>11606609
I don't do either of those things though. Its weird that they they live rent free in your head though. Starting to think your abuser had a stack of Wrestling Observers that got burned into your memory. What is your opinion of Dean Malenko?

>>11606459

They vote for whoever Dave tells them to so much they voted against who he thought deserved to win?

And this still doesn't change that you're a retard who thought Dave himself literally decides the awards.

>>11605734
Always some idiot who can't use uppercase.

It doesn’t help that AEW fans are so undiscerning. Because the demand for this type of promotion started as an internet in-group, most people act in a way that falls in line with the in-group thinking. So everything is received by the live crowd the exact way that it’s intended, which is ironic since it’s supposed to be the smark audience. Meanwhile the WWE audience, which is thought to be normies and children, will completely no-sell something if it sucks, or turn on a babyface if the character gets too stale. AEW fans are so eager for the promotion be successful (or, perhaps more importantly, to be perceived as successful) that they’ll just follow the cue from the booking note for note. That’s bad when somebody as hyper reactive as Tony is the one booking, because when he looks online and in the stands everybody seems to be enthusiastic about what’s happening. Meanwhile the company is declining in every key metric.

>>11606713
kiketzer won’t fuck you

>>11606025
Maybe it would’ve mattered if Cena tried to to put the fucker over instead of just shitting on him

>>11606982
You mean like when Cody Rhodes got booed out of of the building the last time he was seen? Or when white meat babyface CM Punk would get booed?

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>>11607117
gayew retards believed it was all part of a yummy wummy meta heel kinorino storyline

>>11607117
imagine trying to spin getting worked by reddit groupthink headcanon into a win for fat aewfags kek

>>11606328
Based

>>11605719
AEW has been like that for years

>>11607117
>You mean like when Cody Rhodes got booed out of of the building the last time he was seen? Or when white meat babyface CM Punk would get booed?
Maybe dont boo your top stars because you read online they arent friends with the bucks

Is it worth listening to?

>>11605749
>He’s be suing them if he lost 5 mil+ for “no reason”.
Why would he do that when he hated working there and can return to WWE who will pay him more

>>11606321
>Hangman went from face of the company to playing second fiddle to bucks
The truth is that Hangman was never over. It was the storyline with Omega and the "LONG TERM BOOKING" that was over. The fans loved it because they knew the outcome and that made them feel smart

>>11605719
All of this has been true for years, proving that Dave was full of shit with his constant praise

>>11606434
Washington was hired to be a fall guy. Worked out great since people like you are blaming him instead of Tony

the worst part about it is, this has been a trend for the last 2 years & the guy booking it has 0 humility & says everything's great so, what do you expect when people check out.

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Tony Khan just uses an AEW save on TEW and uses the Auto-booker to write his show.
Tell me when I'm telling lies.

>>11605719
He also said the E was White hot and when WWE is successful it kills all the other promotions because the audience ends up only watching WWE.

>>11606321
Hangman was flopping as a face of the company because he needed to put the awkward cowboy shit behind him and wasn't. The kicker is it took a guy like Punk to get under Hangman's skin and actually make Hangman show some fire

>>11606321
>Its not hard to see why AEWs ticket sales are down when guys like Moxley and Omega spent months doing 3 man tag matches.

Excellent point. Why have people like Omega, Danielson and Moxley when they are either opening against absolute nobodies or being wasted in 50 men tag matches?

>>11605719
>Thoughout the show made it clear he’s not happy with the current state of AEW.
I mean, who is? The shows are boring heatless repetitive shit, completely wrong guys are getting pushed, viewership is plummeting and it's already at the point where even the ones who actually watch just do it out of habit.

>>11605982
huge pop!

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>>11605719
>Dave finally complains about all the issues that most sane people saw with AEW two years ago

>>11607538
None of that is true though is it

>>11607509
>the top promotion in the world doing well hurts anyone that competes with them
Goddamn Meltzer providing the best insight

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>viewership is plummeting

>>11607560
Afraid so.

>>11607547
Bull shit. AEW was top notch 2 years ago. Punk coming in, Cody leaving, and buying ROH fucked up all the momentum they had going.

Also Dave has been very critical for a while on AEW.

>>11607573
>pigtranny cope

does that mean aew fans are even more autistic than meltzer? this guy can barely form a sentence and still realises aew is dogshit

>>11607582
only autistic people hate AEW

>>11607589
wtf im autistic now

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>>11606173
Nah, Garcia has that natural talent and charisma that marks him out as being THE guy. Tony isn't just using him right. The Dragon Slayer gimmick is good, but Tony should go all in on it. He needs to strap a rocket to Garcia and have him go over all of the ex-Fed talent clean. Build him up like Randy Orton's Legend Killer, except it will work because Garcia is so much more exicting. If Tony needs a gimmick to get the casual viewer interested in Garcia then he should give him a little AE shine and start giving Garcia a string of beautiful valets to come to the ring with him and, eventually, fight over each other for his attention. The joshi are ratings poison so Tony may as well use them to get over the guy who is going to be his biggest star. That Mei joshi is kind of cute, Tony should definitely bring her back for the angle.

>>11607573
you know aew has three shows right? two of which are on life support?

>>11607580
Not that anon but I certainly pointed out too many titles, bloated roster full of dimeless shitters and top guys not getting booked like top guys as obvious problems a long time ago. I don't remember when Danielson came in but it was all obvious by then.

Though the biggest problem is still that Tony isn't a booker or a writer and a good weekly wrestling show revolves around those things.

>>11605734
>for no reason
Literally fired "for cause", a phrase repeated everywhere every time it was mentioned.
That's sanitized corporate legal speak for "this motherfucker fucked up BAD"

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>>11605872
www.WrestlingObserver.com

>>11606151
It happens too often, there's no heat and the new guys aren't good or able to do anything with it.

You take a dimeless shitter like Wheeler Yuta and no one's going to give a shit about him if he beats Lesnar in five minutes. Why would you, he's still Wheeler Yuta.

>>11607329
You tell me
https://vocaroo.com/12wfgb6JR8Ej

>>11606469
I don’t think this is an overreaction since it’s been happening for months now with all this bad booking.

>>11607573
>both charts are in a long term downtrend
lol

>>11607324
That's not why they got booed you fanfic writing autist.
I get you don't watch the show, but you make it clear that you gave up on thinking for yourself and just regurgitating bigger dumbasses than yourself.
Put some deodorant on, brush your last tooth, and change your cheetos stained shirt, you filthy pig

>>11607851
Unironically people did care about his moxley match https://youtu.be/CmFKx4oWuZk This video had like 7 million views last time I looked, now it's at 8.

>>11608495
That one actually had heat and story but then it took like two weeks for people to remember that he's Wheeler Yuta who's completely out of place in the group.

>>11608518
I unironically think Yuta is fine, he's good at his current character work as the kinda slimy but ultimately bottom of the ladder guy, he's put on some size and could get more, he needs to do some acting or voice coaching classes but if he puts in the effort to do that I'm interested to see where he goes from being "our little shit" in BCC. Which is more than I can say from most of the young guys that got thrust into something.

>>11608495
>>11608518
>>11608548
You retards know Indians will click on any vid with blood in the thumbnail right?

Even Bryan is shitting on Collision lmfao it’s over

>>11605734
They fired Jericho?

>>11608558
KILLING MATCH WWE SIR
and yet those faggots won't watch deathmatch wrestling

>>11605755
that was a dumb move, shes worth the investment. she stands out in AEW

AEW feels more like a parody of wwe than an actual unique wrestling show with its own identity.

>>11608611
>she stands out in AEW
As a shitter. Good riddance, we didn't want her.

>>11605719
>> open challenges have hurt the show : anyone can challenge for a title without earning it . Number one contenders have disappeared and been replaced which hurts matches having any heat .
Wasn't there recently a tag title contendership tournament
Then on Collision FTR just randomly defended against some literal who ROH/indie team?
It's clear the show is being booked by a mark who expects his fans to be knowledgeable about stuff of absolutely zero consequence. You should never have more expectation of your fans than they have of you; the obligation is on you to MAKE them enjoy it, not on them to enjoy it.
AEW is stuck in the mindset that you're obligated to know all these fucks.

>>11608611
She decided to play the field, who knows what happens.

>>11606362
>Dave says Samoa Joe and Christian Cage stick out
15 years later and that's still true

>>11606321
you are right
>Moxley and Omega spent months doing 3 man tag matches
they're all hurt and broken down anon

>>11605719
>when the checks stop clearing

>>11608622
nah its smart for her, dumb for AEW.

>>11608814
AEW can't make her decide to pick up her option.

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>>11605734
>also they fired their biggest star for no reason
FPBP

Punker brought in 200k all by himself while the Elite have been ratings killers for the last 2 years, with a sometimes exception for Kenny depending on who he's working with.

Tranny's will seethe at this simple truth, but these are the same people who chop their dicks off and then ask for refunds years later. So, ya know....

>>11608939
his Collision ratings were sliding, and he couldn't sell out Chicago for his third return, he was getting outdrawn by MJF and Cole, he ceased being irreplaceable. Everything else is cope

>>11607530
"Putting over younger talent"
problem is said talent is not younger and not talented
Shitshow is ironic beacusr Phils whole shtic was "I'm gonna work with young talent" and then proceeded to bury every single one of them just to get fired and things going exactly as he preached about doing

>>11608955
So who replaced him? Who in AEW sold out Chicago?

>>11605719
I don’t understand how anyone can be interested in AEW. It’s just nothing but gay shit after gay shit after gay shit. I even stopped watching WWE after they ever pushing that “max male model” crap. This shit isn’t meant for people like me.

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>>11608955
>his Collision ratings were sliding
When they ran against WWE PPVs yeah. Otherwise is was the most stable show AEW has ever produced. Unlike Dynamite which always looses 25% of the starting audience from start to finish, or Rampage which absolutely nobody watches on purpose.

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>>11609022
>It’s just nothing but gay shit after gay shit after gay shit.
And its only getting gayer and gayer. Funny how that correlation works.

>>11609022
>This shit isn’t meant for people like me.

People like what?

>>11609052
Do you think it was always Tony’s idea to be known as “the gay” wrestling organization, or do you think it’s been hijacked by the cult of liberalism?

>>11609087
Normal people.

What's the point of paying a bunch of ex WWE guys 7 figures if they can't move the needle? Fire literally everyone with WWE in their resume. They charge too much of a premium for too little draw. Atom Smol can fuck off my TV, dimeless nerd.

>>11606063
To Tiny it does because he's a mark.

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>>11609093
Are you trolling in bad faith or are you just delusional?

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>>11609144
This shit killed Finn, and eventually they made him stop doing it because of that. He's only just now barely starting to recover, years later, because of how incredibly over JD is.

>>11609144
>one segment 3 years ago
>vs gay daily shit now on a regular basis
Are you trolling in bad faith or are you just delusional?

>>11609087
people who aren’t political extremists, for one

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>>11609027
wrong and he never touched MJF/COLE-FTR for the remainder of his time on the show
>looses
good morning shitbreath

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>>11609027
>Otherwise is was the most stable show AEW has ever produced
>Dynamite which always looses 25% of the starting audience
Looks like someone failed ESL 101.

>>11609087
deeply closeted homosexual.

>>11605901
It's not catered to him though... hence all the complaints in the op...

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>>11609144
lmao trannies always use the same 5 year old image. cope harder

>>11605719
>The value of any championship has gone down tremendously
Of course this autist hibernated all summer and just woke up.

>>11609093
He had Sonny Kiss from the start, what do you think.

>>11609344
kek funny pic of shahid khan, gayew’s pajeet owners do stink like shit hahaha

>>11609458
You never aren't seething every time you post that.

>>11608451
why then? what kayfabe reason?

>>11606111
Ok taco

>>11605719
Definitely WAY too many belts. On a recent Dynamite it seemed like every match had a title involved. They really need to not have anything RoH on the show. RoH needs to be separate from all AEW programming.

>>11609579
sorry meant to reply to
>>11609344

>>11605719
why was bryan 'chico' alvarez quiet?

>>11606362
Stick out like mah dick, ya know what I mean.

>>11605719
>Too many guys
Absolutely. The Righteous and Shane Taylor will never be over. Could easily put House of Black in that spot.
>too many titles
Yep. There's no reason whatsoever to have two sets of trios titles around.
>established stars losing
Please just give me more Hangman and Omega. They just signed huge contracts and they're doing fuck all.
>50/50 booking
Ricky and Bryan going 1-1 setting up the death match is fine.
>open challenges have hurt the show
Fucking definitely. Mox, Statlander and FTR are all doing the same gimmick.

>>11605719
kwab

>>11610424
>Ricky and Bryan going 1-1 setting up the death match is fine.
they already had a death match

>>11605719
>50/50 booking : rocky starks and Danielson are effectively in a 50/50 booking program which is what the company was originally against
Huh? Starks beat Bryan in a tag match, not singles.

>>11611172
Strap match isn't a death match retard

>>11610424
>Please just give me more Hangman and Omega. They just signed huge contracts and they're doing fuck all.
They need to do multi-man shit and then disappear for a few weeks and then do multi-man shit again. Please understand.

>>11607601
I know you're memeing but I genuinely do believe Daniel Garcia has the highest ceiling of AEW's twinks solely because he actually wants to be seen as more than just "workrate indie guy" even if it's just by being a dancing midcarder in funny pants

>>11611311
why did you sign your post?

>>11607823
No, it's legal speak for "we're covering our asses."

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>>11605719
It took him 4 years to come to these conclusions??? /asp/ complained about this shit daily.

Let me know when he figures out how idiotic Championship Eliminator matches are. Or when they realize how much damage having Interim champions had on the overall brand.
Oh, and while they're busy bitching and complaining about booking, go ahead and give Tony another Booker of The Year Award.

>>11605786
>Didn't Tony Khan recently say he's done listening to criticism of his booking?
Criticism from who? He's about to be 3x Booker of The Year. So who's criticizing his booking? I mean, until Dave just now.

>>11608451
kek cultists were literally crying for CM Punk until it was revealed that he didn't get along with the Elite backstage

>>11608955
>run against WWE PPVs and college handegg
>ratings dip
>Punk's quarterly is still exceptional anyway
>"PUNK DROPPED THE BALL, HE SUCKED ALL THE DIMES OUT OF THE SHOW, ITS GOOD HE'S GONE"
Shit like this is why AEW will never succeed.
I'm not posting it about you.
The retards in the locker room behave that way.

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>>11605897
>AEW 100% needs a clear out.
You mean trim the roster? I 100% agree.
But here's the funniest most ironic hilarious shit you'll hear all day. Are you ready? AEW fans are going to go apeshit, shitposting about all the useless wrestlers TKO is about to release. And instead of trimming the AEW fat, Tony is gonna hire at least 30% of those people.

What trannies will see as a "W", is only going to make AEW worse! The irony is delightful.

>>11605912
>He made a really good point about the open challenges.
I don't watch AEW, but don't they book Open Challenges in advance? Like, say Ambrose is AEW All Atlantic Champion. Instead of the Open Challenge being the first guy who runs out of the back, they announce it 2 weeks ahead of time and put it on the AEW graphic/poster.

That's not an Open Challenge, that's just a fucking regular match!

>>11612748
dave's been criticising it for years dimwit.

>>11606302
>Who in the fuck gives a single shit about matt or Jeff hardy in 2023.
Use the Hardys to put over The Righeteous (who?). Have Jeff lose to John Silver (who?). Do one of those taped Deletion matches at the Hardy compound vs Wheeler Yuta (who?).

Putting over nobodies doesn't help anybody. The Hardys should be booked in headline matches, it's their last hurrah.

>>11606328
>Meltzer stating the obvious is funny.
THIS
reminds me of libtards recently saying,
>"Hmm, all these random premature deaths. Maybe the vaccine, might be dangerous?... naw! The government wouldn't never lie to us. But what if they did?"
Breaking out of cults is rare because you need the mental capacity to see thru brainwashing.

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>>11608939
still waiting to hear about Luke Perry Jr.'s punishment
oh, Tony's lawyer said not to (apparently she's fucking Animal Boy too)

>>11612793
Im pretty sure they post here and bury punk at every opportunity. I recall that cringe story where lufisto had problems with dustin rhodes after he had a gossip session with ruby, leading to him being a catty little bitch to her at the lunch tables. the company is a pathetic high school drama because tony isnt a good leader.

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>>11612869
Wait. I'm confused.
Who's the Cult Leader?

Is it Dave or Tony?
Who's word should we take as gospel? The paid media or the guy that's paying them?

>>11609357
Projection

>>11612981
idk about all that, but I think it's hilarious that the anti-Punkers only ever speak up when they think Punk is getting fired

Meltzer is one of the worst offenders when it comes to supporting random "great" matches that Tony Khan has booked with no story or substance behind it. Him and his friends also had no long-term thinking in terms of the trios belts either, it was always going to devalue both the singles division and tag team division.

>>11605840
Dave only ever backed the Elite thinking that they and their style are the future of wrestling.
When Punk was let go for whatever reason Tony let him go, Dave woke up and realised the Elite are not the future of wrestling, that AEW is a sinking ship, and that he has to get the fuck off of the ship.

>>11613182
>>11613083
Dave busted his head or some shit in 2016 and forgot all the stuff he has spoken openly about when talking about issues many promotions have faced. For whatever reason, he hitched on these idiots and didn't realize that a promotion that's running like an indy would never fucking work in the long term. They had a very short success because COVID, so they really only got to feel it in mid-late 2021, but by mid 2022, it was obvious that Tony had a one-track mind and didn't know what he was doing.

He's always thrown some jabs at them, but he's also defended them way more than he needed to for shit that was blatantly stupid. I could see why Cornette got pissed at him, because this is shit that Meltzer definitely spoke about and knew, but refused to acknowledge when it came to AEW.

>>11605901
Meltzer is a mark for NJPW anon. He only defended AEW because his favorites the bucks and omega were on there.

I think AEW could be really good. The biggest problem is Tony being a huge mark who doesn't actually know how to run a wrestling company. The best case scenario would be Tony stepping away and finding someone else to run it.

>>11609136
>They charge too much of a premium for too little draw.
Just imagine how low the shows would draw then without them. If they can't even get 1 mily now with the WWE guys they probably will never even sniff half a mily anymore without them. Look at the absolutely abysmal ratings Impact draws week to week.

>>11606321
The only time Hangman was ever intriguing was that one promo he cut that pissed off CM Punk and even that didnt get over with the crowd. His hunt for the title and title win was forced shit that smarks wanted desperately to be good, while his title run was awful

>>11606388
I dont mind seltzer because he's just some old autistic guy but Alvarez is insufferable to listen to and I used to love Bryan and Vinnys reviews of old shows

>>11613182
Omega actively avoids cutting promos, like you only see a semi-big one every 3 months if that. you can't have consistently compelling tv week-to-week with an act like that.

>>11606389
Its based that some autistic guy worked thousands of Redditors that he's the authority on wrestling

>>11605719
The problem with aew is that they never new what theu wanted to be.

Easiest booking solution was to have each of the top guys have camps of which the no name talent are put in. The top guys in those camps challenge for the aew sanctioned titles. New recruits become viable storylines.
Factions should have been
-Omega
-Bucks
-Jericho
-Taz
-Cody
To start with most of the guys wrestling in house until either top contenders are detirmined or an exhibition or rivalry emerges between factions.

>>11607573
why did you crop out all the information that'd actually provide context to whatever the fuck this is supposed to mean

>>11609052
Why do all these young AEW guys do that knocked out on their opponents dicks thing?

Literally all they need to do is bin a few of the titles and consistently put 20-30 of their best talent on dynamite or collision (each talent appears on one only) and book stories that actually have a well paced start middle and end. Ideally ending at the next PPV. For some reason that's impossible for Tony Khan.

>>11605734
Punk wanted to get fired. This is literally what no one gets.

>>11614081
You need to employ people who understand how to pace episodic television in order to accomplish this. Tony believed Meltzer's bullshit about how hiring writers for wrestling shows is somehow a bad thing. There's no hope unless Tony Khan finds a bag holder to buy the company off of him (he won't).

>>11614203
this, its why he wore that SAG AFTRA shirt on a show funded by Warner, he'd been trying to get fired for quite a while before All In

>>11609169
Wheeler is such a fag. Back in the day, faggots got disowned, so why would he need to explain himself to his queer children? If he were really a conservative (which he isn't because he's using social media like a metrosexual.), he just wouldn't even acknowledge that they exist. It's how it's been done for centuries world wide.

>>11609189
If gay people offend you you are an extremist

>>11605719
uh oh did tiny stop responding to this faggot kikes text messages or did the check just not clear yet?

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Undisputed proof that Tony's booking is shit is Forbidden Door. Notice how AEW suddenly gets a fuckload better for a month or so building up to Forbidden Door, then craters after about a week? It's almost like a guy named Gedo comes by with his booking team and makes some polite 'suggestions' to tony how how to actually use their fucking talent, Tony learns nothing and goes back to doing stupid shit the second Gedo leaves.

>>11605719
BUT HOW IS YOUR SEX LIIIIIIIIIFE?!!?!?!

>>11608621
>AEW is stuck in the mindset that you're obligated to know all these fucks.
Spot on. We've had THE BUTCHER AND THE BLADE, there's a feud built around stuff that happened backstage in Chikara 16 years ago with neither person willing to elaborate beyond vagueries, there's this constant expectation everyone knows everything and watches everything.
Smarks shit on WWE for its recaps but it means that people who can't catch every minute of every show can be kept up to speed. Same with talking about other stuff besides the ongoing match- yeah the match onscreen should be the focus but most people can't or don't watch religiously so if you don't talk about stuff in previous week's or earlier in the show they'll be lost. If you miss two weeks in AEW you've no hope of knowing what happened. In WWE you can miss 3 months and the PLE will have enough hype videos and commentary establishing the situation that you are quickly caught up. AEW pitches exclusively for the hardcore fan whose entire life/#1 thing is wrestling, which is why they aren't growing and their size is illusory.

And honestly so much of it could be fixed by scaling back Excalibur for Schiavone. He's a redditor self insert, nothing but dated memes, internet or insider references, and gatekeeper allusions to shit from 10 years ago in random Indies. He spergs over using foreign move names but can't even pronounce them correctly, he shits on JR and tries to catch him out rather than work to make the team or show look better, he's a self important spastic more interested in getting himself over than the show. It was fine in PWG when being Le Funny Insider Colour Commentary fit the couple thousand SoCal hipster smarks who followed it, for mainstream TV it's like asking John Oliver to present the NFL.

>>11614983
Better? To me it looks like they just suddenly bring in a bunch of Japanese cripples and do things for no reason, then it stops right after

>>11614983
>Notice how AEW suddenly gets a fuckload better for a month or so building up to Forbidden Door
nope

>>11606037
The award is voted by his subscribers, he has no control over it. It's why he had an addendum added to that award last year to shit on people who voted for Tony.

>>11607393
>>11607518
>>11613573
Attendance was way higher with Hangman as champ after the Kenny story, than it is now.

>>11615125
WON subscribers are brainless retards who lack the capacity for critical thought, who knew. They're a certain brand of idiot who latch on to the alternative as if they're some sort of maverick, not realizing that they're the biggest sheep out there.

>>11615125
>his subscribers

Sounds like he has all the control over it.

>>11615137
You mean during the time when Punk first came back?
Hmm I wonder why attendance was up.

>>11615137
>Attendance was higher when punk debuted than at its current lowest point
Lmfao

>>11614921
>what do you mean you don’t like it when I talk nonstop about how much I suck dick and swallow cum and get fucked in the ass?
>you’re the extremist!
Fucking moron.
You’re just as terrible as those office bros who talk nonstop about how many chicks they banged at the club over the weekend

>>11605719
The check fucking BOUNCED

>>11605719
Dave whining about too many titles when he was the number one advocate for the trios titles is hilarious

tiny r kwab lmao

>>11605719
how sad

>>11616148
advocating for trios titles isn't advocating for trios titles AND ROH titles AND NJPW titles AND Joshi titles AND fake titles that are all booked the same

>>11605719
yikes

>>11617318
True, but the trios titles were a shit idea and he basically bullied Tony into making them

>>11616148
3v3 tag matches are just a way to get more people on a card and minimizing the bumps they have to take. It's a horrible idea to make a division based on the format. I don't understand how Meltzer got this retarded. He used to have at least something resembling an understanding of the business.

>>11605719
>too many titles : title matches mean nothing because everyone who’s anyone has a title
Let's see if Tony rolls this back, because it's part of what's killing the promotion. I bet he won't, though. People love doubling down in the social media era. I will give him credit for ditching the red, white, and blue ropes.

>>11617318
Trios suck. They were too much, and they were vanity titles.

>>11617577
dave wanted them cuz his boyfriends wanted them, now the elite don't want them anymore so he can think clearly again

>>11617318
Tony fucking loves meaningless midcard titles. It's one of the many negative consequences of his EWR booking style.

>>11605719
Dave doesn't understand that Tony is just having fun playing with his toys.

>>11617848

Trios titles are fine, but they're not fine when you already have three other fucking sets of tag titles at the same goddamn time.

Unify the belts. We don't need this much gold in the company.

>>11605719
xirs…

>>11605719
KWAB

>>11605719
KWAB

>>11605719
RATS ARE FLEEING THE SINKING SHIP I REPEAT THE RATS ARE FLEEING THE SINKING SHIP

>>11617992
Not to mention that RoH has fucking trios titles as well. WAY TOO MANY BELTS.

>>11615212
>>11615709
Yes, but don't tell me you're gonna forget the product was hotter even outside of Punk.

>>11615163
nah they're just retarded as
>>11615139 said

>Tony books AEW following Meltzer's notes from the start
>Shows start dying
>Meltzer notices and starts distancing himself from AEW to avoid being connected to it when it flops
What a disingenuous piece of shit

>>11606374
That’s not what they meant you fucking troglodyte. Owens answered the invitation as NXT champion. The feud with John got him on the Raw Roster. He got over even though he never beat John for the title. You can’t deny that Owens isn’t a top guy. When his contract came up all the Trannies on here we’re bragging that he wanted to go over to play with the Bucks. And look at him now.

>>11606025
That's because the 'up and comers' fucking suck.

>>11605719
KWARB

>>11621294
what does the R stand for?

>>11621612
RAPED

>>11621612
Robert

>>11606982
>It doesn’t help that AEW fans are so undiscerning.
I would argue this isn't true as ratings and PPV buyrates indicate they're not all willing to eat shit.

>>11605734
Kenny is still there.

>>11610424
Kenny and Hangman aren't getting pushes as long as the Max and Atom Cole shit continues.

>>11620872
Live by the Meltz, die by the Meltz

>>11625328
>>11620872
The Meltzman should start handing out 5+ star matches like candy to WWE, the way he does for AEW, and watch Tony cry.

>>11605719
>the Hardy’s putting over roh talent.

The Hardys are cooked and Jeff can't be relied upon for a big programme

>>11605719
given this fucking burial and ignoring the extremely slight probability of the booking vastly improving in the next 3 months - How pissed off is Dave going to be when Tony wins both Booker and Promoter of the Year again this year

>>11617777
What was wrong with the RWB ropes

>>11605719
KWAB

>>11621612
retarded

>>11628259
kek

>>11605719
dear oh dear

>>11605734
they fired kenny?

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>>11629041
lmao

>>11605719
KWAB

>>11605719
Dire.

>>11620856
Wasn't the hottest period when they had just gotten punk, but hangman had the belt? I think the issue has been that since the scrum they divided their fanbase into 2 camps - punk camp/bucks and omega camp. That would be fine, even a great money maker if they would have used that division to build to an omega punk fued. The moment they brought punk back but quarantined him to collision with no hope of an eventual payoff, I think that's where the company suffered a mortal wound. Since profits don't matter they could stay as a TNA style walking corpse, but the goal of the company was to challenge WWE. That seems as gone as sega hardware.

>>11605719
dear oh dear

>>11605719
the absolute state of tiny con

>>11630376

If Phil had been able to behave himself upon being rehired, he very likely could've worked a program with the Elite after six months of keeping his nose clean. But he gave new reasons every week why bringing him back was a bad idea.

>>11631438
>six months
Nigga, they're fucking losing attendance and everything has stagnated. They needed to do that as soon as he came back into their biggest show. What the fuck would waiting accomplish?

>>11630376
Hangmaam and Omega's reigns both got a boost from Danielson and Punk. Omega also had nxt change nights halfway through his reign which also gave it a boost. Omega's numbers before punk was hired were not good, much lower than Moxley or Jericho

>>11605719
wow

>>11631480
It would have been more time to let someone get injured.

>>11605734
this is the one correct thing they've done this year

>>11605719
dire

>>11605719
they should get rid of the ROH TV, Six-Man and women’s titles. they’re redundant

>>11609860
the only ROH belts that can be justified are the tag titles cause AEW is a tag fed

>>11634032
No it's not.

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>>11607601
>Nah, Garcia has that natural talent and charisma that marks him out as being THE guy

>50/50 booking : rocky starks and Danielson are effectively in a 50/50 booking program which is what the company was originally against
This is the one that hurts the most because it's true. Especially when all of a sudden WWE is doing the opposite with long title reigns and dominant players. How did it get so ass backwards?

>>11629279
KWAB

>>11605719
>ignores the exact same complaints for years
>NOW four years later he says theres a problem
proof that meltzer has been working you all for years

>>11605719
no sliding

>>11605719
lol it's another melty flip flop to keep the grift going
remember when WWE was on a downswing and he tried to pivot his blog to MMA? kek
now when it comes to running defense for AEW, the juice is no longer worth the squeeze, so he's pivoting again
this goblin needs to go away

KWABO

>>11605734
>no reason

Lol.

>>11607359
>and can return to WWE who will pay him more
Lol no. He already tried before going to AEW and Vince told him to fuck off.