IT’S NOT HOT
>>10283568aew in the mud this year. wembley is just plastering over the cracks.
>>10283568What caused this (no console warring or shitposting)?Bad Booking?The Elite/Punk stuff?MJF?Killed the market?
>>102835683000 tickets with 5 days to go, outstanding
>>10283586All those except MJF honestly. He's just kind of the champ in all that bullshit surrounding the company. It's like Booker T as WCW champ when WCW was at death's door, he's having no effect on things in either direction. The booking of course is the main cause.
>>10283586Punk leavingNo mainstream starsConfusing booking
>>10283568Nobody wants to go out on the Wednesday after a 3 day weekend. Especially not to some mudshow.
>>10283568All jokes aside, t0his is actually pretty fucking grim. Not even trying to console war here, what happened? I don't remember AEW having this much of an issue with selling tickets in the past.
>>10283586AEW always had problemsIt had the goodwill of "shiny new big budget not WWE" in 2019 when WWE was absolutely terrible in 2019Then it got a second wind when the pandemic ended and they could your new cities for the first time with punk and BryanBut now those shiny new gimmicks have work off and all that's left was the rot that was always thereMeanwhile Vince used the pandemic to rip the band aid off, fire all the NXT shitters that were ruining WWE in 2019 and reboot to be actual sports entertainment with Nick Khan scoring their biggest pop culture crossover deals everWWE regained their momentum with Roman and Brock and Logan Paul and Johnny Knoxville and Bad Bunny and Stone Cold and Cody and Ronda and Pat MacAffee while AEW gave us Elite/Undisputed Era circlejerking round 547
>>10283622>what happened?Tony's incompetence finally caught up with him.
>>10283586MJF is literary on a Booker T in late WCW situation. Meaning he's a talented guy but the ship around him is in taters.
>>10283697>I suck fat WWE cock and I'm retarded: The post
>>10283721literally because of Punk's brittle bones and fragile ego destroying his momentum and big return.
>>10283730>I suck fat WWE cock and I'm retarded: The post
TONY'S BLOOD RUNS COLD
>>10283586>>10283622It literally started the month Triple H took over in WWE. AEW catered to disgruntled 'E drones and it backfired.
>>10283748nope it started after Mania 38
>>10283586the arenas have been half empty since aew startsd. this is normal. there was a brief spike after lockdown ended but it soon went back to half empty arenas again
>>10283697>WWE regained their momentum with Roman and Brock and Logan Paul and Johnny Knoxville and Bad Bunny and Stone Cold and Cody and Ronda and Pat MacAffeeNone of that amounted to anything. Cody and Brock is a super cold feud, bad bunny essentially comes and beats a wrestler, macaffe left, and johhny knoxville? Fucking kek
>>10283568I believe things will get better AEW has had high points and lows I believe the ebb and flow and we will return!!
>>10283586>Bad Booking?>MJF?>Killed the market?these, also tony brings a new toy, gets everyone hyped then does fuck all with them.
>>10283568>almost summer>AEW is still ice cold
>>10283803>he arenas have been half empty since aew startsdWhat kind of cope is this? Ticket sales to AEW events are dropping. Demand is objectively cooling off.
>>10283966Holy cope. Cody and Brock is white hot, a feud with blood and broken limbs that's headlining sold out shows in Puerto Rico and Saudi Arabia. Bad Bunny also had a fantastic match with one of the best crowds ever. You can hate on all these feuds all you like, but WWE is far from cold.
>>10283748Tony killed your territory Paul.>>10283604>Confusing bookingNo IQ?>>10283721>tatersgms
>>10283568Above average, looking great
>>10283568>San Diego, CAI don't care about the west coast.
>>10285185>reddit spacinggo back
>>10283697Now THIS is VDS.>>10285176>blood is OK when it happens on RAW or Smackdown>>10285194No GED?
>>10283586What caused what? AEW has always done around this number 4k for Dynamite is actually slightly above what they usually do.
>>10285198>blood is OK when it happens on RAW or SmackdownSince WWE rarely uses it as a special tool to make big feuds more intense, yes. You certainly don't see Lesnar looking into the camera, gigging his forehead open like Alky-Mox does on a bi-weekly basis.
>>10285221>Alky-MoxThis is the best you pigs can do, huh?>>10285208beep boop bitch KEK
>>10285201AEW used to sell every ticket or close to every ticket. Failing to sell 3k tickets isn't business as usual no matter how hard you try to cope.
>>10285232No they didn't stop lying
>>10285232Some Dynamites in 2019 only had 1k fans in attendance, they are way up from that
>>10285254>No they didn't stop lyingYou can pretend ticket sales aren't in steep decline but you can't make it reality.
>>10285232>>10285322The last Dynamite before COVID didn't even have 3K in attendance
>>10285364And? Ticket sales were doing quite well once covid was over and crowds could return. And they kept doing well up until the last few months when they started declining.
>>10283748literally false, wwe turned around around mania last year, vince was still in charge for months after that.
>>10285401>comparing to their peak instead of their averagestop coping faggot. 4k is above average for AEW Dynamite
>>10285132I guess it's a bit like how everyone turned on the NXT call ups after seeing them flop on the main roster time after time. The fans notice the patterns of behaviour/bad Booking
>>10285476>stop coping faggot.Stop talking to yourself
>>10285490You're the guy who thinks Dynamite's average ticket sales are like 8k you maniac
>>10285476only if you average in all those empty daily's place shows
this dude is so mad jesus lmao, no milly into the burger tickets meme has him unhinged fr
>>10285496No, I'm talking about venues
>>10283586The recession we've been in since 2022 that they wont say is a recessionThe out of control inflation that people dont have disposable income for their ticket prices
>>10285495>You're the guy who thinks Dynamite's average ticket sales are like 8k you maniacNice strawman bro
>>10285518You literally think 4k is below average for Dynamite
>>10283586You don't see much of it because how DARE you insinuate that Vince had the right idea but too many manlets, hardly anyone is convincing. Half the roster would get the shit beaten of them on the street by some random 6 foot guy that lifts weights 2 days a week.
>>10283604>No mainstream starsWasn't a problem before>Punk leavingYes, not just because Punk was gone, but him being gone also killed MJF's momentum. He should have to eat shit forever for that>Confusing bookingMostly legitimate. Not having Omega on the go home show, no follow up to Don's turns or Takeshita, shows how disconnected the booking is
>>10285185>>Confusing booking>No IQ?I would never buy a ticket to Dynamite just because the show rarely has an anchor besides Moxley. You know you probably won't see MJF wrestle or even appear (not even after a PPV). No guarantee any of the workhorses like Page, Omega, FTR, Hayter, Takeshita, Pac, etc will even be there. It's like if Nitro had no Benoit, Eddie, or Misterio for 3 weeks and in the meantime they booked Super Calo and Lizmark Jr. They could be doing a lot better
>>10283599I like MJF but this reign has been the drizzling shits . He should have stayed baby face because Adam Cole isn’t that guy. This pic floating around and for good reason. He’s no one near the level of a flair , Cena, hogan and piper in term of popularity but works like one.
>>10285652I don't even remember any of those Reigns matches
>>10285511> the recession meme So why does wwe not have the same problem and have higher ticket prices?
>>10285652>This pic floating around and for good reasonBecause retards don't understand that AEW has few PPVs and WWE have a lot?
>>10285623Calo y Lizmark were based you shut your pig mouth.
>>10285667They coincide with a period of rising popularity, profitability, consistent attendance and PPV viewership, so your experience doesn't matter.
>>10283568You could not pay me to attend a wrestling show in 2023 Jesus Christ
>>10285688Ratings are still down
>>10285678Wow you’re titled . Nice cope. Why can’t MJF defend the title on a dynamite? Why do have to sit thougj months of promos to get one match we all know he’s going to retain? If you don’t believe me well they’re basically giving away tickets to his event now.
>>10285698That's why I mentioned all the other metrics that have increased and not ratings.
>>10285699>Why can’t MJF defend the title on a dynamite?The picture you posted shows one of his title defenses on Dynamite.
>>10285680>deftly misses his point and simultaneously proves why aew will never have impetus to improve as a productImpressive lack of self-awareness.
>>10285523Anybody who uses literally like that is underage, kys
>>10285722All your posts are ignoring and dancing around your own position without properly stating it because you are a low information person who got BTFO.
>>10285727I'm a different person hopping in to say I think you are a 15 year old retard.
>>10285677Because they have low ticket prices. Read the post.
>>10285792You don't even have an argument and are speech policing me like a woman. Get fucked, faggot.
>>10285231Sup ojama you expose yourself every time you do Reddit spacing
>>10286008he’s reporting every post calling him out for racism lmao. now we know it’s definitely him.
>>10283568Tony needs to stop booking Daniel Garcia vs Rodick Strong type bullshit. Not one fucking person cares about these generic jobber looking dudes. Wrestling needs to have interesting looking people. So many “wrestlers” now just look like generic Walmart employees. Needs more athletes, freaks, rockstars, personalities, intensity. I hate to even say, but more gimmicks that are committed to. Look at MJF… super average looking guy, a bit small even, but he created a gimmick and fucking committed 100%. Not in a jokey way, but for real. All these generic, I’m a funny/sometimes badass wrestler guys suck.
>>1028358690% of it is the Elite/Punk stuff happening around the same time of WWE experiencing a lot of renewed positivity around the "departure" of Vince. A lot of that also comes down to how Tony handled it, and I think the creative he came up with in the wake of Punk dropping the title was really weak and that didn't help.
>>10286899>Not one fucking person cares about these generic jobber looking dudes.I liked Garcia vs Strong but it was never going to draw without stakes and a good storyline. >Needs more athletes, freaks, rockstars, personalities, intensity.Yeah but people like that don't want to work in the wrestling business anymore. It's too uncool now. Pic very much related.
>>10286839kek why would they call it that
>>10286950Yeah, your picrel is what wrestling needs more of.>muh exposes the business!He's over as fuck, objectively a draw, and is entertaining. The only people who don't like him are boomer faggots who need to grow up.
>>10286973>OH MY SCIENCE LE HECKIN MIDGET PUT HIS HANDS IN HIS POCKETS!
>>10283568Should’ve run the sports arena if school isn’t in session. People aren’t driving out to mission valley for this slop
>>10285524This. Tony Khan thinks that you can get away with presenting indieshit to a TV audience. You cannot.
>>10286973>He's over as fuck, objectively a draw, and is entertaining.Even the smarks on cagematch.net are begging for Orange Cassidy's superman push to end. But that wasn't even my point. The rockstars, the freak athletes, the guys with larger than life personalities, they wouldn't be caught dead in the ring with Orange Cassidy or any of the other shitters in AEW and WWE. That's why the don't get into the wrestling business anymore. There's much more fame, dignity, and pussy to be had in other lines of work.
>>10283568and CM Puke isn't going to help save shit
tacos get tickets promotion already lining up for local pubs KEK
>>10283568GET THE HAPPY MEALS!
>>10283568did anybody see the "Free AEW tickets with the purchase of burger & fries" prank? lol, trannies got burned so bad by that one.
>>10283586Tony Khan literally advocated for this kind of behavior on twitter.
>>10283586There’s literally nothing good about it lol
>>10283966Cody Brock is based
>>10283586Punk destroyed everything. He killed the spirit of AEW and it's fans
>>10283586>What caused thisHonest answer: Tony's incompetence has reached a breaking point. There's been too much bad booking, too many people disappearing from TV, too much indie garbage, too much atrociously poor storytelling, too much failure to capitalize on momentum, too many dimeless shitters on the roster, too much lousy commentary, and too many production botches. This has resulted in AEW getting colder and colder and its own fanbase is starting to lose faith in it. Not only is the honeymoon phase over but the wheels are now falling off the bus. Collision is AEW's last chance to save itself and in order to do that it needs to be must-see TV. Can they pull that off? I doubt it. Tony would have to keep his hands 100% off it and delegate everything to highly skilled, professional adults and I don't think his ego will allow him to do that.
>>10283586>What caused this (no console warring or shitposting)?>MJF?>>10283599>All those except MJF>>10283721>MJF is literary on a Booker T in late WCW situation. Meaning he's a talented guy but the ship around him is in taters.mjf fucking sucks! he isnt likable at all. he is the kind of person that makes people turn the channel and the ratings reflect that. he sounds/talks just like bully ray. he is a midget. he is not now, nor will he ever be world heavyweight, heavyweight?? standing all of 5'4 on tiptoes and weighing 175 lol, main event material
>>10291858Truest post on here. Screenshot it. 100% real. I was an AEW fan from the start and even weathered the Punk shit, but the product is ice-fucking-cold right now. The storylines go nowhere, they failed to capitalize on the Brawl out shit (I would've had punk on there day fucking one and have him and the elite shoot promos in the ring for half an hour) Thing is, Tony is a millenial pussy and too soft to do the hard ass shit Vince used to do. Too afraid to hurt feelings. You can't make money being weak in this business.
>>10291858It's nice to see actual discussion on this board for a change. I still don't understand how the wrestling business is incapable of seeing itself as a television show first. The medium is the message and retarded indie shit doesn't play well on TV. You have to rule these indie shitter carnies with an iron first or else they're going to embarrass everyone involved with the product. It's amazing that Vince McMahon remains the only soul that ever lived who has successfully wrangled these faggots for any meaningful period of time. The level of insanity that must take is unfathomable.
>>10291858>>10292341As shitty as Raw and Smackdown are, they've actually been abiding by a traditional TV show structure over the last three years. Both shows are up by double digit percentages year-over-year because they've mostly focused on a limit set of main characters just like a typical TV show. The main character of these shows are the Bloodline and people know that. Who the fuck is the main character of Dynamite? Who the fuck is going to be the main character of Collision? No one knows and no one cares because there isn't going to be one.
>>10291927This is why Vince McMahon is the sole survivor among promoters. He's at least twice as insane as the carniest of carnies. He's a fuckin madman for being able to do this successfully for 4 consecutive decades.
>>10291858WWE’s been awful for 30 years now and people still slop that up
>>10297957gayew is for trannies kys
>>10283586And the only way
>>10283568That's a KWAB from me, brother.
>>10283586Bad booking + overestimating the actual demand for wrestling as a live entertainment option.
>>10283586kek good old jim cornette
>>10302857he gets more listeners a week than people tuning into dynamite, including the playstation vue numbers.