He’s just not very good

>>10277701
Jews don't draw

>>10277701
his gimmick is he wants to go to WWE

Cheap heat is shit heat

MJF is doing nothing wrong. it's purely the writers.

>>10277701
>Why is MJF's title run not clicking?
Part of it is that nobody established or interesting in feuding with him. Nobody is really playing back at him. Plus MJF himself is kind of generic "your sports team sucks, your women are ugly, you're all stupid" with his stuff

>>10277701
He doesn't look like a star

>>10277701
MJF is a big fish in a small pond. The other three don’t measure up to him. They teased a four way. Decided to do a tournament to find the next contender only for the booking to circle back to right where it started with the four way again. If they would have used all the time and energy to build to a singles match instead, it would have easily been way more interesting and compelling. I admire Tony for listening to the fans but this is one of those times where it was a complete miss.

I think the reason is that he keeps making kayfabe breaking dogwhistles and after a while that loses its luster. I think he has a good promo and ideas but his challengers aren't able to make it work. I tuned into AEW after ages of not watching a few weeks ago and his challengers are fucking Jungle Boy, Darby and Sammy? How is anyone supposed to believe that these guys are the pillars of AEW, let alone main event material?

>>10277701
I like MJF but he shouldn't be world champion, not yet anyway.
He is being massively let down though by the fact he is "feuding" with 3 jobbers who have zero personality in a storyline that makes no sense. His stuff with Punk was good but one guy cant carry a story for 4

>>10277701
He just isn't ready to be world champ. Him, Darby, Sammy, and Jungle Boy even though he sucks should be feuding over the TNT belt. The world title scene should be Kenny, Mox, Danielson, Christian, Hangman and other more established guys.

>>10278013
>Hangman
>Over MJF
>Over Darby
>In the same category as Kenny, Mox and Danielson
Lmao

>>10277792
Honestly, he’s doing amazing with what he’s been given but tony and crew are fuckin retards

>>10277701
He's 5'5 and really ugly.

1) We've seen everything he can do.
2) It's not believable that he will lose.
3) Heel reigns are only good if there is a hot babyface to chase him, and there isn't one, so he has not much to play off.

because you can only like someone before they're champion once, the hipsters have fled the roost.

>>10278029
He's right

>>10277701
he's a bald kike.
verification not required.

Chico was right. It was time to turn him face, but Tony was too stubborn and autistic to change his directions.

Plus, the fans were in a bad mood post-Brawlout. They needed, wanted something triumphant at the top of the company's card. So even if it was the case Max didn't wanna turn, Toby should've just kept the belt on Mox and use his big babyface run to renurture the company's goodwill. Nobody wanted a big heel run after the company had taken such a bummer of a turn.

>>10277701
Because their show is completely directionless. They can't write a good story to save their life. It's a damned shame because MJF really does deserve better material. How hard is it to have a despicable bastard act like one and commit heinous act to cement his character's status instead of merely relying on the audience's programmed behavior to a heel and not a heel's actions? Add stakes to your stories instead of just generating "heat" for one brief moment. Say what you want about CP Munk, but he had a sharper mind for storytelling than his boss ever could, and it showed in his programs. Should have followed in his footsteps on that regard.

>>10278070
>Tony was too stubborn and autistic to change his directions
It was MJF's call and he said no. 90% of the things people blame Tony for are angles and directions the wrestlers came up with themselves.

Honest question, what's "clicking" in current aew?

>>10278104

He should've told Max to go fuck himself, then. Either he turn, or Mox stays champ. The company needed a babyface up top, and the good of the company should supercede everything.

>>10278104
Then it's Tony's fault for not putting his foot down and telling these retards that it's HIS show and they'll do what HE wants

MJF never had a good feud before Punk so it doesnt shock me his run flopped. MJF is just not a main eventer his schtick is mid card level

>>10277701
>barely any defenses
>his feuds are either “fight this guy every week for the next month” or “wait till the ppv”
>his schtick is old
>his motivation is just inflating his worth so he can get more money and leand more towards leaving the company
>he never looks bad

>>10277701
casual fan here - he's boring like hangman they should both be in the TNT or International title divisions

>>10278129
>>10278116
If MJF went face you'd hate it and blame Tony. You internet smark faggots are never happy and are just addicted to complaining about stuff.

>>10278112
Not much these days. The gears still keep the machine running, but they're grinding against each other more than anything else. The only recent positive that I could think of is Kenny being more serious than usual and looking good.

>>10278136
>Cody
>Jericho
even the Mox feud was standout in the pandemic era

>>10278077
Well because to have the show go in a certain direction you must firs-….OMG IS THAT A NEW TOY??!! DADDY DADDY I WANT THIS NEW TOY!! GIMMIE A NEW TOY DADDY *SNNNNNOORRRT*

>>10278154

No. It was time. And if Max didn't want it, then Tony should've kept the belt on Mox.

>>10277701
Because AEW doesn't have a big machine like WWE.

If you're asking why no one is excited to see his reign from the current fanbase, well, I believe it is because his feuds are too mark centered. Only if you're a mark will you get all the stuff he references constantly. He's building a reign for his fans only. Not the real way to attract new viewers exactly but at this point, AEW can't do much more really. The other option is to hire a professional scripwriter to outline dialogue and stories for the wrestlers and we know everyone would revolt if Tony does that. After all, AEW's image is that of the land of the free where only you can write your own shit.

>>10278070
This. Even if punk didnt sperg out the people were ready to go with MJF as a baby. We have already had about 4 years of MJF's shtick. Once again Tony fucked up a natural babyface the fans could get behind, it was Wardlow and Hook all over again

>>10278154
You ever notice when aew is criticized some of the fanbase just goes "no you" lol

>>10278195

A writer isn't what's needed so much as a dramaturge. We don't need more WWE-lite in the pro-wrestling world.

>>10278241
can't write a fucking epopeya....

>>10278241
what's a dramaturge?

>>10277701
Tony Khan doesn't even know how to setup the pillars like Baba did.

>>10277701
Its not clicking because he skipped on the engagement with others, literally even by taking time off after winning, and went back to doing to same thing that got him popular in the first place, gauntlets and trials. He needed more and better matches to be a credible champ and then go back to doing the swifty jew avoiding work role.
And like everything else in aew he lives in his own containment bubble, you got massive dudes, credible midweights that all could challenge for the belt yet they barely share a postcode in same show. Instead he pushes his miniature buddies of which only Darby has any business being a top challenger

>>10277701
>Build up was trash (sabotaged, iih)
>Has no face to rally with long term on the mic, besides Starks, and Tony buried him.
>He's getting lazier on the mic, probably due to overpraise.
This is just what I've noticed. I still like him a lot, but his promos used to hook me, now I barely listen. It's the feuds he's been in.

>>10278294

It's a fairly rare and unusual job, but basically, they're the guys who figure out how to make everything gel for the production:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramaturge

>>10278013
Said this about them before as well. MJF skipped a stepping stone reign, before getting the big one. It does kinda feel like a lower card feud.

>>10277701
Because MJF is overrated and belongs in the midcard. Simple as that.

>>10277701
he's a one note heatless 5'9 jewish heel

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>>10278428
TK needs to bring this back and then transition AEW into commedia dell'arte. Big dimes Pierrot is a proven draw.

he is lucky to get time on overstuffed shows with people like Lady Frost and Kommander. those that genuinely watch AEW would have trouble telling you he was the world champion if you gave them 30 seconds.

this is all tony. thanks, coke boy.

He's the only one who's any good, he has no one to feud with.

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>>10278448
>Harlequin is the best-known of the zanni or comic servant characters from the Italian commedia dell'arte

>The primary aspect of Arlecchino was his physical agility.[5][8][24] He was very nimble and performed the sort of acrobatics the audience expected to see. The character would never perform a simple action when the addition of a cartwheel, somersault, or flip would spice up the movement.[10]

mfw /pw/ was wrong. the biggest draw in 16th century Venetian street theater was a flippyshitter, beloved and celebrated by everyone.

>>10278572
Yeah, well come back when your flippy shitter can fill up a colosseum full of paying plebians instead of flipping on a public street for a pigeon pastry and a handshake

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>>10278610
Harlequen literally drew the veranda. He was pure florins.

MJF is the creative guy behind the 4pillars feud. It’s on him. It feels super forced with the I hate you and how you came up in wrestling.

>>10277701
>Genuine discussion
>mid
>four pillars
>trash
What's wrong is that you can't even contribute to the discussion without using buzzwords.
AEW is lame, that's why it is not working out.

Snarky heel who insults the local sports team is a midcard gimmick. They had a chance to turn him face and change up his character a bit, the fans were really behind him but it's AEW so of course they just did the dimeless shit Tony had planned in his EWR notebook.

>>10278715
It feels like they didn't do enough set up to justify the match and so their promos against each other were kind of aimless and whiny

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>>10277701
the danielson feud was good
the four pillars shit is ass
that's all he's had to work with, he just needs better booking. he should be feuding with established main eventers first and then after a few of those he can work darby. the other 2 goofs are not main event material right now and it's dragging the whole thing down.
he should be lining up a big match with naito/okada/tanahashi/etc for forbidden door but still the only thing on the horizon is okada and mox

tony is fumbling

Nah MJF is really good. Material could do with some work sometimes but he's one of the best around at promos either way. Great worker too and again, one of the best around. His selling has worked me a few times. I fear his run could end up a dud though because I think he'll work with guys like Cole and Wardlow when he should be working with Eddie and Goldberg

>>10278764
Yea the 4 pillars nonsense is completely delusional. Sammy and Jungle Boy are never going to be anything more than midcarders but Tony shoehorned them into a world title feud just to make his autistic ass feel like the "4 pillars" meme wasn't retarded. Solo feud with Darby would've been fine.

>>10277701
Regal quitting killed his momentum. Plus, he hasn't changed his gimmick one bit.

>>10277701
MJF isn't nearly as good as he could be. He has excellent delivery of the most juvenile, tired material. His stuff with Punk was great. That may've been his peak so far, because he actually had some depth. Currently he's speaking of himself like he's the most evil thing ever in wrestling while saying your local sports team is bad

>>10278666
>Plebs aren't even watching
>So bored they are chair fighting and leaving
Doesn't look sold out at all

The man has dropped like 30 villian origin stories. Hard to care about someone, even as a heel, when there's no consistency in who they are supposed to be

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>>10278818
Harlequin regularly sold out the Piazza with his flips and cartwheels. It might look like there aren't that many punters here, but this is the entire population of the town right there.

>>10278838
Worked.

He needs to be facing convincing main eventers to help establish him. He's facing three midcarders, two of whom weren't even important enough to be on the last PPV. All of whom have just been fucking around in the midcard for the past year, it's not even like they have been built up with consistent wins.

>>10277701
I want to know what the fuck happened in the Rush jungle boy match and who the fuck gave that shit the ok. was it punishment from tony for jb's shit attitude at the fan fest or did rush go off script tying to go into business for himself and jb didnt know what to do in the moment or was it an agent who put it together like cornette alluded to

>>10278996
Rush always wrestles like that

>>10278720
Do you just call anything buzzwords

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>>10278146
> barely any defenses
2

>>10278996
you don't need to tell me you started watching wrestling in 2010. i read it like a book.

>>10277701
It's a combination of
>Punk having a meltdown and fucking up the original plan for an eventual rematch that would lead to MJF's coronation as the AEW World Champion
>his association with The Firm going nowhere because of said meltdown
>Regal leaving
>having to pivot into a disappointing feud with an obviously uninterested Mox
>him doing the same old shit of making the challenger jump through hoops during his feud with Danielson
>Kenny coming back and feeling like a bigger deal than the world champion since his WK match
>The BCC/Elite program feeling like a bigger deal than the world title program

>>10277701
Dude the correct answer is cuz he sucks! He’s like 5’3”, matches are super boring, can’t promo for shit. He literally doesn’t even belong on tv. He’s 100% a dollar store miz and that’s from someone who hates the miz

>>10277701
blame management, the EVPs don't know a damn thing about booking or working a TV show

>>10277701
I don't get invested in people that don't wrestle a lot. This kike is 27 and has only really been known about for maybe 5-6 years top and already works a Roman Reigns type schedule.
>BUT HE'S A SPECIAL ATTRACTION
Fuck you. He needs to work.

>>10277701
>Why is MJF's title run not clicking?
because hes been cutting the same promo for years, doesnt wrestle enough and when he does its not some revolutionary shit youre glad you waited to see, also hes jewish and an ugly as fuck balding manlet.

every aew title reign but the ones with the wwe guys or omega has been ass, but hangtranny's reign has been even better than the kike and I hate hat faggot more.

omega >>> jericho > mox >>>>>> hangtranny >>>>>> mgayf *

* - phil dont count

>>10279396
I just don't understand why MJF and the Miz are always compared. And there are always two types of people: those that say he's a worse version of the Miz and those that says he's a better version.
IMO the Miz is unfairly dragged down to MJFs level

>>10277701
Look at him. He is ugly. He is an annoying Miz copy. Only smarks would like this guy.

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this retarded fag tony khan is letting a 25 year old kid book himself. no fucking wonder

>>10277792
lol. see:
>>10279533

>>10277701
He should be nothing more than chicken shit heel comedy jobber losing to comedy babyfaces. Total curtainjerker material

>>10277701
It's very simple, an uproven wrestler given a title a league above his skill and doing a Brock Lesnar "I'm a premium act" gimmick, Brock or Roman can do that because you already KNOW who they are, you've seen them tear their competition apart, MJF on the other hand doesn't have the ring talent nor the mic skills to pull it out (Yes, local sport team/local famous guy bad isn't a promo). There is no amount of jobbing Danielson can do to make this guy over, simply because he will give him the match of his life, and then he won't wrestle again for 4 months, he literally wrestled 4 times since he won the title, what kind of retard books this?

TLDR; Tony a terrible booker smark.

>>10279586
>only wrestled 3 times this year
>less than roman for the second year in a row
>less than brock this year
dude is scamming tony so hard lmao, I respect it.

>no credibility, he’s a 5’3 Manlet geek
>terrible promo. Just 100% ass
>completely boring style of match. No power moves and doesn’t even do flips like a manlet should so he literally just sucks at everything

>>10277701
>Why is MJF's title run not clicking?
>Why is a hotshotted title run by a chickenshit heel not clicking?

They should seriously just make him like a comedy manager that gets beat up all the time for someone that actually looks like a wrestler. Like khalis old manager

>>10279618
What's more, there's still every potential for MJF to say fuck it all and walk over to jump into the new WWEWHC picture by this time next year. Tony's really showing his ass with how he's handling his product. MJF, the TNT title, ROH entirely. All of it.

IMO, I used to be a huge AEW Mark btw, these are the reasons I stopped watching the show weekly, granted some of them are gonna be a little biased.
>Punk not being there. Love him or hate him, Punk took AEW to the next level, without him, the show feels a little bushwhack
>Bucks not playing ball. I get it, if you’re on the Elites side, you want Punk outta there. Hey, I liked them too, but I see them in a much different light, they’d rather be on a completely separate show than to stop bitching, be professional, work with someone they hate, and make a ton of money. Elite vs Team Punk could’ve taken the company to new heights.
>Striking when the iron is cold. Every time someone has gotten organically over, nothing is done with them and nothing is planned for them. They lose all their mystique. WWE still gets a lot of shit for this but somehow AEW doesn’t. Kieth Lee, Andrade, Miro, Kip Sabian, Butcher and the Blade, JAY FUCKING WHITE!!
>Main Event scene feels small. Waaaaaay too early for this feud and to be honest, the 4 of them are just too fucking small, and not at that top level yet. I get wanting to put over the younger talent, but I don’t buy any of them as the top Guy. Feels like a mid-card feud.
>MJF as champ. Too soon. Yeah he had a hot return last year, but the fact that the Brawl-Out completely overshadowed his big win, shows that the fans don’t care about him as much as they think they do. Just look at the ratings
>The true four pillars. Hook, Wardlow, Hobbs, Starks. Boring stories made all four of them lose their momentum.
>Women shit. Not a single female star and holy fuck are they all sloppy. Wish they’d piss off and have their own show.
>Decline of the Tag Team division. One of the highlights of AEW was their amazing tag matches! Now, every tag or trios match feels like filler. FTR are champs and haven’t had a 2 on 2 match in weeks!
Something needs to be done soon or they’ll never regain their lost momentum.

>>10277701
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the main reason is that the narrative has gone in reverse. BCC vs Elite should have been going on during Full Gear to Revolution so that the main eventers were tied up and thus the young, hungry guys could go after the weasily self-indulgent champion, who is doing bullshit segments and running amok, without being stuck at the back of the line. Then when BCC and Elite are done with their feud, Danielson should have looked at what he had been doing and called it a disgrace and gone after him then, for shitting all over the "sport of professional wrestling"

>>10277701
>Why is MJF's title run not clicking?
Is it though? Who is saying this?
I really like him, and I really liked the Iron Man match, I think the 4 way will be good and the lead up to it has been pretty good

The "world champion" of a promotion needs to feel like the most important wrestler on TV. Punk was a huge name and a draw so he felt that way. Page, Omega, and Moxley didn't. Jericho kind of did but he couldn't pop a milly any better.
When you have all these factions like token chunks of TV time Elite/Moxley/Orange/femoids, and a champion like MJF is only on every other week if you're lucky and then not for a match, how do you expect him to be the top guy? The champion needs to be above this ___verse faggotry.

>>10280258
>>Punk not being there.
he showed up
AEW peaked before Punk, he gave them a spark though, I'll give you that
>>Bucks not playing ball.
AEW was never good because of the Bucks. AEW was only good because lapsed fans finally had an alternative to WWE
>>Striking when the iron is cold.
Literally none of those people were ever "organically over" in AEW, you listed all of the yummies debuts that TK has botched
>>Main Event scene feels small. Waaaaaay too early for this feud and to be honest, the 4 of them are just too fucking small, and not at that top level yet. I get wanting to put over the younger talent, but I don’t buy any of them as the top Guy. Feels like a mid-card feud.
Agreed
>>MJF as champ. Too soon. Yeah he had a hot return last year, but the fact that the Brawl-Out completely overshadowed his big win, shows that the fans don’t care about him as much as they think they do. Just look at the ratings
Agreed
>>The true four pillars. Hook, Wardlow, Hobbs, Starks. Boring stories made all four of them lose their momentum.
LMAO Who? All mid-carders
>>Women shit. Not a single female star and holy fuck are they all sloppy. Wish they’d piss off and have their own show.
IMO they (eye candy) are the only reason to watch
>>Decline of the Tag Team division. One of the highlights of AEW was their amazing tag matches! Now, every tag or trios match feels like filler. FTR are champs and haven’t had a 2 on 2 match in weeks!
No opinion on this take because I hate tag team matches

>>10280345
sup max why’d you let BPJ cuck you

>>10280373
>he couldn't pop a milly
Neither could Punk

>>10277701
"Four Pillars" is the problem

>>10277701
The Ricky Starks mini-feud was a wasted opportunity to change up the MJF formula (consider Chico's fantasy booking). And the Danielson feud was a recycled "Best Of" of the that very same forumla, only taken to ridiculous ends because MJF doesn't even have a stable of jobbers anymore.

But I think the core issue is that Maxwell really just needs to turn face already.

>>10280373
omega did and im not even a fan of his, hes a bit goofy but he felt like a champ, more than hangsis and mox thats for sure.

the whole show centers around BBC and the elite, making everyone else to play second fiddle, including the AEW champion
also it doesn't help his ongoing feud doesn't have another believable opponent, it's literally MJF against 3 midcarders
>>10278241
this, if i'd want to watch a soap opera i'd watch wwe

>>10279471

You'd have to never watch MJF to have a take this bad. His Darby match from Full Gear '21 alone was noticeably better than any Miz match ever. Let alone his 60-minute ironman.

>>10277701
Because it is being booked by Tiny Khan

>>10281556
Miz is a far bigger star than MJF, simple as that

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He needed Punk to put him over. Without the victory over Phil, his run is meaningless.

>>10277701
Three main problems here.
>He doesn't defend the belt
He's defended four times since winning it. The crowd just doesn't see him in the ring. It's hard to stay over if all you are doing is cutting promos.
>Heel champion.
It's hard as fuck to have a heel as the face of your company. And I'm not talking heel/faces like Rock and Stone Cold. Ask WWE, Roman has lost almost half their viewers during the entirety of his shit run. But if you are gonna give a heel the extended run ...
>You need really, really talented faces to keep the heel interesting
AEW doesn't have these. The Elite had to turn heel because people hated them (except for the troons). Starks and Takeshita were actually good plays, but there was no build for them. They already did the MJF/Wardlow fued.
The only actual options left are dudes like Lethal and Jarret. But that program would require multiple matches and some build. It really does come down to Tony sucking at booking.

>>10281570

By what standard? Because he was in a couple reality-TV shows and a few direct-to-blu-ray shitters?

By that standard, Nathan Jones is a bigger star than The Miz:

https://youtu.be/ZuEhfHfK8Vw

>>10281570
Nta but so is
>Roman Reigns
>Brock Lesnar
>John Cena
But nobody compares MJF to any of them. It's like Miz is the only egotistical heel these smarks can name.

>>10277716
I still hate HHH for not saying 8 months ago “we don’t want MJF.” Would have been an all time moment.

>>10281700
its about being a chickenshit heel with 2008 jericho cosplay promos.

>>10281767
Imagine if a press conference is coming to an end, and Triple H says
>hold on I’ve got one more thing. Some of you may be hearing on TV, well, not many of you, but, a small minority of you, rumors of a contract negotiation. We do not want MJF. We the WWE have never wanted MJF. Stop using us to get over. Thank you all, good bye.

>>10281767
while that wouldve been funny him doing that would be just taking money out of mjf's pocket to help tony, it would help their rival and get all the wrestlers pissed at him, he'd never do that.

>>10281780
I don’t know, sure logic says it helps Tony Khan, sure your thinking is correct. You’re forgetting however that it’s Tony Khan. I could see him being like PAUL HOW DARE YOU. I DON’T INTERFERE WITH YOUR STORIES!!

>>10281787
then it would just go back to tony being the fun boss and paul being a vince 2.0 tier dick, theres no point in doing that. even vince didnt fuck with his guys pay if they were getting it from someone else, thats extra scummy, he told beeg and henry to go get their retirement pay.

>>10277792
This.
/thread

>>10277701
Have you ever wondered what MJF's character is since he won the belt? What does he want? What does he stand for? What does he have to prove? Why? He had a good thing going when he was angry at Tony Khan and looked like he would turn face.

That said I like him as champ better than most everyone else who was so far.

The title run has totally killed his status

>>10279533
God I hate jungle boys face

A three month long build up to one match where the other 4 people can barely speak and cut the same promos over and over again. This was always going to be a "let the wrestling do the talking" match so this build up was wayyyy too long

>>10281829
>That said I like him as champ better than most everyone else who was so far.
This. With the possible exception of post-CM Punk squash heel Moxley, MJF has been the most entertaining champ in company history.

Also, he at least carries himself like a champ when it comes to putting over the belt.

>>10281860
I feel the same, but its hilarious to me you'd point that out with Sammy's face right there

>>10280373
Nah, Mox was a 'alternative' style champ and Page tried even though his promos sucked, he tried to stay relevant and strong with having matches.. which were mostly good no matter what I think about his stupid finish or oxycotin-zanax induced promos

>>10277925
He's not good on the mic, every promo is the same, sports team bad, fourth wall break, call opponent mid e.t.c, opponent comes out, kick opponent in the balls as a response, leaves. It's lame AF.

>>10277701
he should have had a TNT title run to test the water first

>>10278051
Kek

>>10277701
Look who he's supposedly feuding with atm. Nobody has ever gotten over in a 4-way.

>>10282746
He's above that

>>10282746
That belt is booked worse then the 24/7 title

>>10277701
MJF just isnt ready to be a prime time player. Hes no Roman Reigns, thats for damn sure.

>>10278207
nah thats you

Nobody is over in gayEW so its not like MJF is some standout failure. The whole company is falling apart

>>10279471
I think its because they both work a very boring, safe style in the ring.

>my gimmick is I hate working here and want to go elsewhere
Why would anyone want to pay to see this guy?

>>10284049
Worked for Cunt Muff Pink when he was i ROH

>>10281680
WWE has lost half their viewers since Roman became champ?

>>10281692
Miz was super famous before he even wrestled one match. Nobody still knows who MJF is.

>>10278013
They should book the guys in order of who gets paid the most $5 million Mox/Punk/y2j then omega and danielson get $3 million that should be your world title scene, they need to exhaust every combination of those 5 guys before they start putting over pet projects

>>10284183
Too logical.

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From a fantasy booking perspective, I would have done the opposite. Have MJF pick his challengers every week like Jimmy Garvin in world class, so he can get heat by bullying jobbers in front of a fanbase that demands 50/50 offense exhibitions.

>>10278013
The gayboy adam gayman gay had his chance. He's not TV material much less world title material.

every feud hes been in since winning the title has been against guys that had a negative chance of beating him.

>>10279662
This. Tony should just make miz Jr., atom smol, Fagniel Cryan, and all the other midgets into managers and mouthpieces for real wrestlers. Too bad none of them can talk I guess but they can still get thrown into tables and shit for comedic effect

>>10277701
Because he's doing the part timer gimmick without realizing you have to be established first. Brock's second run works because Brock's first run

>>10277701
They should've capitalized on the momentum upon his return by turning him face (or maybe tweener). A big problem is that there's been no major growth or evolution of his character. He also needs a convincing opponent to play off of. The other "pillars" are too young/not ready. When Punk left it really fucked up the build with him.