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sorry sirs *tied withg9 to g9ii… no change, just a firmware update and a reskin. the jpeg engine has been improved i guess. and panasonic’s viral marketing is as dishonest as ever. remember when they claimed the original g9 was less noisy than apsc? kek.
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>>4254661I ‘member. First came the conspiracy theories. Then came people falling for it. Then came the mass realization that panasonic shills were lying about their camera. And so was panasonic. Measured ISO is a full stop under the labeled ISO on panasonic’s micro four thirds camera, which means all data based on ISO settings is off one full stop.OM-1 has less chroma noise AND less color accuracy Panasonic is as noisy as everNothing has changed and nothing ever will. Four thirds is worse.
ITT a nophoto shill from india posts panasonic marketing material eventually olympus users will post a few photos and the panasonic advertising will cause them to leave
>>4254661even the gh6 wipes the floor with the om1 in noise, the G9II will be brutal.
any good ff virgin vs m43 chad memes?
>>4254744That one sucks
>>4254746now we’re talkin
>>4254744>gamestop>muh dickSad. Sorry about your loss.
>>4254744If this were true would you need 15 photoless cope threads per week?
m43 chad >doesn’t even know what a photon is>thinks noise is the sound of a snoyfag talking>has no idea he’s even using a smaller sensor>doesn’t own a tripod, yet still has brilliant focus throughout frame >carries his gear with him on his interesting adventures, uploads it online and girls beg him for sex ff virgin:>screeches at you when you walk near him because your vibrations are throwing off his stabilization >obsessed with blurry blobs in the background of his photo, thinks this is somehow a good thing >taking pictures is about zooming in on pixels at 200% magnification >hates lugging his gear out of his large pelican case and hauling it around>weird pervert vibes when doing photography with what looks like a telescope >has separation anxiety with his tripod>scared of rain >stays inside and shitpost on m43 threads
>>4254754Nice gay cringe you have there, sensorlet.
>>4254754this is true i'm about to have sex and then go on a hike tomorrow in the rain with my olympus
>i want my phone camera shots to have fake blurry backgrounds>i want my dedicated camera shots to be completely flat and lifeless>i don't know whyZoomers are just marketing victims.
>>4254753If there wasn't some insecure FFfag filling 15 photoless cope threads in a week, there would be a single m43 thread
>>4254761t. coping nophoto
>>4254761>stop laughing at meKek.
>>4254763stop complaining about yourself
>>4254760>>4254762>>4254763well i don't see a lot of mft shills in ff brand threads. wonder what that's about
>>4254764>no u v2.0Wanna go for 3? You're the laughing stock of the board. While everyone else is taking photos, you m43 losers decided to have a 3 year nophoto meltdown over being poor and fat. These cope threads are your legacy.
>>4254765>ff threadsHow often do you see them? If you're talking about Canon or Nikon gear threads, those have nothing to do with sensor size. They always cover FF and APS-C and aren't even digital-specific. They are literally about finding gear to take photos with.
>>4254767It's a fair comparison. MFT is a system, in the same way that Nikon and Canon are systems. Most users have lenses from both brands and might have bodies from both as well.
>>4254766keep on going if you want, you're the only one emotionally invested into a sensor size.
>Micro fool turd>In theory, if he owned a camera, he thinks he would buy a G9II>Memorizes all the names of specs and all the numbers, does not understand how they affect the end result, just which ones sound better and more professional>Really wishes panasonic would pay him for this>Makes 5+ "debate me" threads in a row>When one hits bump limit, he makes another immediately>Never posts a single photo ever>Thinks the fact that there is some fat, wheelchair bound autist somewhere in the world who takes joy in repeatedly proving he is an idiot is proof that "the other side" is "le bad", the irony is lost on him>When people ignore him, he repeatedly spams panasonic marketing material, knowing someone, somewhere,will at least call him a shill, giving him the interaction he needs to stave off depression, drug addiction, and confronting his sexual dependence on anal stimulation>People stop by to post photos and he insults them>They leave for /rpt/>FF virgin>Is that fat wheelchair bound autist, has nothing else in life to do so he delights in repeatedly proving people wrong, as long as the idiot is so masochistic and desperate for interaction that he will argue that 2+2=5 for some semblance of human companionship>If he meets another virgin they get stuck in a loop>FF chad>Is actually taking photos and fills repeated /rpt/s and /bpg/s with nothing but original content without much micro four thirds exif to be found>Freely recommends cheap micro four thirds cameras to new people knowing that recommending a good camera to a new photographer is pointless, because no matter what they start with they won't stick with it>Ignores sensor size arguments, knows bigger sensors are better>Freely admits he can't afford a $15k medium format setup>Medium format filmGOD>Does not go out and take photos>Lures prostitutes into his basement to photograph them instead>Kills them>Never publishes his work because it's evidence>Deathly afraid of being doxed
>>4254759same, such is the life of us Olympians
>>4254662sucks to be mentally retarded and not recognizing it. because om systems could milk the retro m43 cattle for their last money by releasing a pen-f mk II.hell even I would buy it even though I think m43 is toy[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeOLYMPUS CORPORATIONCamera ModelE-P7Camera SoftwareCapture One 23 MacintoshMaximum Lens Aperturef/1.8Image-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution300 dpiVertical Resolution300 dpiExposure Time1/20 secF-Numberf/1.8Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating3200Lens Aperturef/1.8Exposure Bias0 EVSubject Distance0.25 mMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length17.00 mmImage Width5184Image Height3888RenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlHigh Gain UpContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormal
>>4254772I can't afford MFT, but I can afford FF.
>>4254767They're all mount threads you dumb mong. They might be called "sony.thread" but it's lenses and bodies that use e-mount. Same for the rest, you'd know this if you owned a camera you retarded tranny.
I see an MFT coping thread, I hide it, simple as. I'm still looking for these "FF threads" that allegedly exist and are supposedly everywhere.
>hide it>still seething inside it
>another mft thread with no photosPure autism. Imagine buying a camera over marketing material and charts and never using it.
>>4254913>another mft thread about to get taken to the limit by bickering from people who are so uninterested to in MFT they post in every MFT thread.K, see you in 20 mins.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Image-Specific Properties:Image Created2023:11:18 15:55:25Color Space InformationsRGB
>irreversibly buttblasted about someone else's purchases
>>4254919>purchasesInteresting word to use. Almost as if you don't care about photography and are just a retarded consumer.>irreversibleJust like the image you forged for yourselves with these threads. You will always be the laughing stock of /p/ with your extreme levels of cope and insecurity. And of course, total lack of photos.
>>4254920thanks for joining the m43 thread, clown.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakePanasonicCamera ModelDC-G9M2Camera SoftwareCapture One MacintoshMaximum Lens Aperturef/2.8Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaFocal Length (35mm Equiv)24 mmImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution300 dpiVertical Resolution300 dpiExposure Time1/800 secF-Numberf/4.5Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating100Lens Aperturef/4.5Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length12.00 mmImage Width4336Image Height5776RenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandard
>m43 fags: FOOL frame. FULL FAGGOTS. FAGGOTS. FOOLS! DEBATE ME!>m43 fags: THE G9 HAS OBSOLETED FOOL FAGGOTS FRAME YOU FOOL FAGGOTS SELL YOUR SHIT AND BUY A G9! THE G9 HAS LESS NOISE THAN APSC! SEETHING COPE RENT FREE DILATE >m43 fags, 5 threads later: another m43 thread ruined by fucking fool frame faggots i fucking hate you *finally posts one shitty photo of a building corner/sleeping cat*>dpreview: *uploads raws*>everyone: lmao it's the same as every other four thirds camera dumb shill>fast forward 5 years>m43 fags: FOOL frame. FULL FAGGOTS. FAGGOTS. FOOLS! DEBATE ME!>m43 fags: THE G9II HAS OBSOLETED FOOL FAGGOTS FRAME YOU FOOL FAGGOTS SELL YOUR SHIT AND BUY A G9II! THE G9II HAS LESS NOISE THAN APSC! SEETHING COPE RENT FREE DILATE >m43 fags, 5 threads later: another m43 thread ruined by fucking fool frame faggots i fucking hate you *finally posts one shitty photo of a building corner/sleeping cat*>dpreview: *uploads raws*>everyone: lmao it's the same as every other four thirds camera dumb shillTruth.
>>4254924>posts worthless snapshit like a typical consumer
>live it's buyers R3morse in m43 threads 24/7
>>4254929This + the hilarious pattern of m43 users never resizing their images like they want everyone to pixel peep as if there's something to be proud ofliterally every fucking time. every fucking m43 user. they ALWAYS do this shit. they would get so much less shit if they just posted photos like /fag/.>>4254924thanks you for uploading this large enough for me to see precisely where sharpness falloff takes the lens from sorta soft to soft. keep your photos under 3840 x 2160 in the future because i'd rather look at your PHOTO than my browsers scaling algorithm or your soft lines and noise[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Image-Specific Properties:Image Width2160Image Height2877Image OrientationTop, Left-Hand
>>4254930Oh look it's nophoto
>>4254932>t.nophotomaybe one day you too will own a camera
Can't we just get along?
>>4254936anyone who posted their own work here would earn eternal m43 shill nophoto scornyall still keep calling that other guy a dogfucker and literally made up stories about cANON And ambush being serial rapists and cANON barely posted. the “dogfucker” guy just liked olympus instead of panasonic. i dont want something that potentially life ruining associated with my photography because you’re so fucking petty.
>>4254941>my photographyno such thing exists nophoto scum
>>4254944It exists in full frame general. AKA /rpt/.
>>42549463/4th of the photos there are m43 users plus d850 guy.the Cannots get motion blur on buildings lmao.
>>4254950>dat compulsive lying
Why is the Micro Four Thirds cope so palpable? Why do these guys go to such lengths to over-justify their purchase with such overblown lies, and why are they so sensitive to even the slightest comment? They just can't seem to either be happy with their purchase or have the decency to trade out equipment in silence, even phone snapshitters and PnS's don't go this far.
>>4254971Because their cameras have gotten as large and expensive as FF except in some more niche configurations. Compare G9II+Oly 20mm f1.4 pro to Z6II+40mm f2 or etz21pro+40mm f2.5 G. Niche is ok but the majority of people aren’t in the niche and just have buyers remorse.
>still seething in the m43 threadnever change full faggots.
>>4254978If you had photos to post you would have already… but nah its m43 fags noise posting at each other starting with the op.
>>4254971Because they never post photos, not even in the bird or macro threads. Which are dominated instead by Nikon and Canon DSLRs.
>>4255055Wait, hardly any photos are posted by 5% of camera owners?I wonder what could be behind this statistical anomaly.
>>4255056>J-junst move closer bro >>4254918
>>4255064>too poor to have ff reach>too inept to get closer regardless of systemThe source of all mft cope.
>>4255065800mm equivalent FoV, stood in the water at the beach. There's no getting closer for that shot and any larger lens wouldn't have been on me when I saw the opportunity.
>>4255069Fov is not reach, faggot. Magnification is reach. Also your snapshits suck shit regardless. Also you can have 800mm on ff but you're poor.Cope, snapshitter.
>>4255070"Ur poor">He says from his basement room with a camera he made by gluing a discarded Styrofoam cup onto the happymeal box he got for his last birthdayOkay kid. Come back and post a photo when you finally get one.
What does m in m43 stand for?
>>4255082Macro/Magnification 4 $3
>>425508243 year old male
>still seething in the m43 threadnever change, fullfaggots
>>4255128>They're still making fun of me!>H-heh... they're the ones seething... heh...
>heh, I'm totally not so buttblasted I seethe at m43 chads all day in their thread>i-i'm making fun of them, heh
What are some cheap vintage telephotos I can adapt to my Olympus EM5? I want to go extreme and turn it into a sniper scope. Image quality doesnt have to be perfect, Im just looking for something to have fun with.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeFUJIFILMCamera ModelX-E1Camera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop Lightroom 6.8 (Macintosh)PhotographerRoy CruzMaximum Lens Aperturef/2.4Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaFocal Length (35mm Equiv)90 mmImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution240 dpiVertical Resolution240 dpiImage Created2016:12:29 15:23:46Exposure Time1/125 secF-Numberf/8.0Exposure ProgramManualISO Speed Rating400Lens Aperturef/8.0Brightness3.6 EVExposure Bias0 EVMetering ModeAverageLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length60.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBRenderingNormalExposure ModeManualWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardSharpnessNormalSubject Distance RangeUnknown
>>4255156An actual telescope or one of those vintage OM mount telephotos
gx80 makes a great travel camera because it's small and :3[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakePanasonicCamera ModelDMC-GX80Camera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic 12.3 (Windows)Maximum Lens Aperturef/4.2Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaFocal Length (35mm Equiv)98 mmImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution240 dpiVertical Resolution240 dpiImage Created2023:11:19 18:29:05Exposure Time1/320 secF-Numberf/8.0Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating200Lens Aperturef/8.0Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModeCenter Weighted AverageLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length49.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBRenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlLow Gain UpContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormal
>>4255169[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakePanasonicCamera ModelDMC-GX80Camera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic 12.3 (Windows)Maximum Lens Aperturef/1.7Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaFocal Length (35mm Equiv)40 mmImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution240 dpiVertical Resolution240 dpiImage Created2023:11:19 18:33:50Exposure Time1/60 secF-Numberf/4.0Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating250Lens Aperturef/4.0Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModeCenter Weighted AverageLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length20.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBRenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlHigh Gain UpContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormal
>>4255171[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakePanasonicCamera ModelDMC-GX80Camera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic 12.3 (Windows)Maximum Lens Aperturef/1.7Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaFocal Length (35mm Equiv)40 mmImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution240 dpiVertical Resolution240 dpiImage Created2023:11:19 18:35:37Exposure Time1/60 secF-Numberf/1.7Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating250Lens Aperturef/1.7Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModeCenter Weighted AverageLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length20.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBRenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlHigh Gain UpContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormal
>>4255171what ru doing in the kavkaz? russian?
>>4255169I love it when someone actually gets a sensor size instead of trying to argue its better than full frameFor me its 1”
>>4255172Low light is decent, doesn't even need denoise until 1600[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakePanasonicCamera ModelDMC-GX80Camera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic 12.3 (Windows)Maximum Lens Aperturef/1.7Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaFocal Length (35mm Equiv)40 mmImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution240 dpiVertical Resolution240 dpiImage Created2023:11:19 18:41:45Exposure Time1/60 secF-Numberf/1.7Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating800Lens Aperturef/1.7Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModeCenter Weighted AverageLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length20.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBRenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlHigh Gain UpContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormal
>>4255175Chicks love it[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakePanasonicCamera ModelDMC-GX80Camera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic 12.3 (Windows)Maximum Lens Aperturef/5.6Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaFocal Length (35mm Equiv)260 mmImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution240 dpiVertical Resolution240 dpiImage Created2023:11:19 18:44:04Exposure Time1/60 secF-Numberf/5.6Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating800Lens Aperturef/5.6Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModeCenter Weighted AverageLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length130.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBRenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlHigh Gain UpContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormal
>>4255174I would unironically buy into a premium 1inch sensor interchangeable lens system
>>4255175That’s just underexposing the shadows because the highlights are very bright “Low light” means shooting moving subjects in dimly lit areas usually ie: ISO 6400 f2.8 1/125
>>4255175>Low light is decent>doesn't even need denoise until 1600wow 1600
>tfw the G9II poster gets mogged by a GX80 in both photo quality and a better attitudeIt's not the tool, it's the man behind it. This is a learning experience for those who can self reflect, and another loss for those who can't.
>>4255175Looks nice anon.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeOLYMPUS CORPORATIONCamera ModelE-M1MarkIICamera SoftwareOM Workspace 2.2.1WMaximum Lens Aperturef/1.8Color Filter Array Pattern17754Image-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution350 dpiVertical Resolution350 dpiImage Created2023:11:19 19:34:13Exposure Time1/40 secF-Numberf/3.5Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating800Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length75.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width3888Image Height5184RenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlHigh Gain UpContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormal
>>4255188the panashill has always been awful. this isn’t a sensor size thing. he was awful for the s5ii release as well. same arguments same attitude same 100 threads in a row. full frame users actually like 4/3 on average just not what the panashills currently advertising. im p. sure he argues with himself.
>>4255205>Full framer candids: Buy this olympus>Full framer when provoked by delusional shills: Micro fool turds is garbage more like small penisonic lmao
>still seething in the m43 threadnever change fullfaggots
>>4255217i shoot four thirds. death to bloated pro-larper panashit and the gearfag pedophiles that shill it.
>>4255221>i shoot four thirdsOk grandpa.
>>4255221He's still trying to convince us and himself that he's a le epic troll to cope with being the butt of everyone's jokes. Denial is a hell of a drug. Have you also noticed how he's so sensitive that he reaches deeply for any gotcha moments that he can, like in >>4255226?
>>4255226The funny thing is that bloated pro larp POS is the size of a literal four thirds DSLR. Guess it goes with all the professional sounding numbers that don’t actually do anything.
>>4255232Oh look it's this fucking dipshit again.>Nooooo, now I can't fit a multi-pack of chewing gum next to my cameraAgain with this dumb shit. A camera being half an inch shorter and thinner doesn't make it pocketable, most of the size and weight savings has always been on the lenses.Traveling with a standard and telephoto zoom, or with one of the slow superzooms, is where you'll feel the advantage.
>>4255232>professional sounding numbers that don’t actually do anything.Being able to shoot to a 2tb SSD until your battery runs out and then edit the footage straight from the drive is a pretty big deal to some people.
>>4255233Wow you sound like a full frame user now. “The lenses being a little larger doesn’t affect me at all sissy!”Imagine that. Full frame sized. Full frame price. Point and shoot performance. 4k that’s so soft it might as well not be. I’ll stick to my em5+arr sicks two with hd 120 that looks like your 4k. Keep your $4000 LARP kit.
>>4255260>Wow you sound like a full frame user now>nowWhat did I sound like before?
>>4255233>its not pocketable >:(>your wardrobe:carhartt. levis. buy em. wear em. bare minimum. if you’re gay I’m sure there’s a “fashion” version out there.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Image-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width550Image Height687Scene Capture TypeStandard
>>4255278Just a regular retard. Imagine using large cameras outside of work.
>>4255260Find me a camera that does what the G9ii /GH6 does and I'll buy that. Money isn't a problem. Lens size is tho.
>>4255286Shoot everything with a 2x crop so the 4k is indistinguishable from HD unless you pixel peep screencaps or do silver screen delivery and are polling the front row above video quality? Appease autists who get angery about codecs when for some mysterious reason people who have to shoot video professionally (me) don’t care about them at all?Nah man you are the video version of a hobbyist with an a7riv and samyang lenses. All the numbers none of the quality and no audience. Buy a small “bad” camera and achieve nirvana. Might as well get an x100v to cure your gear brainrot. Whatever you “need” you’re being a bit retarded. I think using any fuji at all would set your head straight.
>>4255293Great post Find me a camera that does what the G9ii /GH6 does and I'll buy that.
Panasonic micro four thirds is a bodybuilder midget.He looks strong on the surface but he'd lose an arm wrestling match to a slightly above average man of normal stature (6 foot).The quality in stills and video is identical to a fujifilm x-t4.There was a point in time when it was the cheapest passable "cinematic" camera but that was a long, long time ago when people were calling the a7iii a good video camera. Now all that backs penisonic is negligible spec sheet word salad, not results.Also there's a reason this small penisonic shill never posts his workHe's definitely one of the two most mocked people on /p/ - f8haus or the kpoop creep. It would earn an instant "you want ____ for this ____ shit?" like those snoys who pixel peep hardcore but they just take 100 practically identical snapshits a year.
Woah man that's crazy.Anyway...
>>4255318>Now all that backs penisonic is negligible spec sheet word salaWhat camera should I get instead? I want high framerates, open gate, low rolling shutter, small lenses, shutter angle, waveform and SSD recording.
>>4255329>i want this word salad to larp as a professional But if you were a professional it would be irrelevant because this camera isn’t really up to the level where “open gate” is meaningful. Maybe save up a little more and buy a real professional camera and a recorder to tale your larp to the next level.
>>4255335Okay, so what camera should I get?
>>4255336Put a bmpcc6k on a gimbal and stop being autistic? I literally shot a commercial using the cropped 120fps.
>>4255340They look great but the rolling shutter, battery life, and lack of a shutter/hot-shoe means it isn't right for me.Thanks for your advice tho bro
>>4255335Open gate is meaningful to people shooting short films, fan films, etc. It's not meaningful to most video work done with these kind of cameras and price bracket, even FX9 etc. I certainly would like it for creative purposes though.
>>4255341Sounds like you pixel peep video. Clients paying $5k+ for short job’s don’t. Why would you? I have seen people step out of their porsche holding a rigged up a7iv ready to work on a fucking walmart commercial. Gearfags have priorities (self importance) that the world doesn’t care about at all. In fact gearfags would call the majority of working pros in stills and film “complete fucking retards who shouldn’t be trusted to buy their own cameras”
>>4255349Most likely use case I've seen is delivery for 16:9 and 9:16 from the same edit with a bit of reframing, especially with davinci smart reframe.For me? (a hipster) I just like 4:3.
>>4255354if you pay attention you can see rolling shutter distortion and severe ISO noise in some very expensive films. these things that creatively bankrupt people like camera conspiracies care very much about simply aren’t noticed. there is a ton of very severe rolling shutter in some scenes from terminator genisys. no one cared.
>>4255354>Sounds like you pixel peep videoStopped reading there. Rolling shutter isn't a pixel peeping thing. I don't give a fuck about codecs or resolution, I do care about motion. That's why I'm mainly shooting video over stills, that's why I care about high frame rates.The rolling shutter on anything using that sensor (Sony a7iii, lumix S1 S5, bmpcc6k) have rolling shutter that is very noticeable even in a normal panning shot. There's a feature in davinci that will crop in slightly to fix it in panning but that doesn't help for things that are moving in the frame.I love braw and the picture from the 6k is beautiful, but it doesn't do what I want it to do.
>>4255359Again very expensive movies have worse issues and literally no one cared.
>>4255357>severe ISO noise in some very expensive films.Wow so noise is basically not important. Good to know.
What the hell is wrong with m43 users? I'm not talking about the FF vs m43 fight, I mean that you all fucking squabble with each other about everything. It sure feel like m43 is for people who believe they're more clever and intelligent than they actually are.
>>4255360Yeah, one of my fav films was shot on a GH4, and weirdly, people are in this thread saying a camera that is significantly better than that is not good enough.Id like to see the bits of rolling shutter in Terminator but that doesn't effect me and what I do and what I value.My last camera had poor rolling shutter. It regularly ruined shots. I don't want a camera with poor rolling shutter. I'm paying for it. I won't pay for a camera with poor rolling shutter.
>>4255366It's like all those non-m43 users that just shit up threads for no good reason and never post photos. Do they even own cameras? It's very unusual.Also, I am more clever than I actually am.What of it?
>>4255362When your audience is cattle. For perspective my idea of severe noise is ISO 3200 on full frame. FF is unusable by 6400. >>4255370It’s not $2000 good. I like micro four thirds but panasonic literally has their head up their ass.
>>4255387I don't want to say money isnt important, cos price will always be a factor, but I'm not exactly struggling for cash, and I couldn't see any other camera that did what I wanted.On balance I think I would've been better off with the GH6, but they're basically the same so what the hell
>>4255399Just get the gh6 then panasonic’s clearly fundraising here with a reskin+fw update pretending these shouldn’t be getting cheaper. Interacting with leica execs has poisoned their brains.
>>4255403I've got the G9ii now. Unlimited 4k120 and a cfExpress slot would be nice but I'll be fine.
>YOU don't really [need] x feature because MY shitheap ff body can't do itnever change fullfaggots
>>4255416>You don't really need 1/4 the noise at every ISO and sharper photos because MY shitheap phone sized sensor can't do it.>You don't need 4k that looks like 4k instead of a blurry enlargement because MY shitheap phone sized sensor can't do it>You don't need FF and APS-C recording areas because MY shithead phone sized sensor records everything with a 2x crop so I don't have to move the camera>You don't need faster, better lenses because MY shithead phone sized sensor doesn't have them available. You need a noisy, soft subject, not a blurry background.>Full frame users: retard>APS-C users: retard>Olympians: OM-1 is still better in low light than the g9 lmfao. Better autofocus too.>WHY ARE YOU ALL BULLYING MEMeme fool turds.
>still seething and R3gretting purchases in the m43 threadnever change fullfaggots
>Claim you shoot "uncropped">all video is cropped 2x from the standard imaging area, or 1.5x from super 35>Claim you have "4k">is so low quality it looks like 1080p>claim you have "ISO 200">it's ISO 100 labeled as ISO 200, and it has the noise of ISO 400>end result>"I need uncropped 4k at ISO 200">has 2x cropped 1080p at ISO 400Why do micro fool turds do this?
>just buy a ff doorstop and be as miserable with your purchase as I amnever change fullfaggots
>My camera is the best, please prove me wrong>Tell me what other cameras I could have bought>Please are there any other cameras that meet my needs>Shut up I won't admit I overpaid for junk>Btw whats a better camera>I am disagreeing with you but tell me more>Actually you're unhappy with your purchase not me
>I'm so happy with my FF purchase I live 24/7 in the m43 thread
>>4255430I do shoot full frame, but I buy my sensors 36 at a time, so I'm just here because I think it's funny to watch you flail around when you get BTFO until you make another thread desperately trying to win at least one argument so you can feel satisfied after wasting all that money on a toy that takes computer generated photographs :^)
>>4254978>>4255128>>4255217>>4255416>>4255424>>4255427>>4255430Is this supposed to convince people that you aren't the one seething and living in this thread? >>4254929 predicted that you would autistically use this exact terminology before you started doing so. Do you have even a sliver of self-awareness?
>>4255433Bro. You mindbroke him.
>>4255439my favorite part? he doesn’t post any photos because his small penisonic is too big for his socially awkward ass to take outdoors even though his 200-800 f8-12.6 lens is slightly smaller than its superior full frame companion. meanwhile full frame sony chads are pocketing their zv-e1s and going shooting.
>>4255439I have no issue with m43 but something about the format brings in the most angry autistic people I've ever seen.
>still seething and coping with buyers R3morse the m43 threadnever change fullfaggots
I love it. You guys mindbroke a nophoto.
>>4254931>>4255424>>4255456>R3Another identifiable tic.
>>4255463everyone in these threads should die. i hate you all so much. this hobby is full of idiots who want to be able to buy their way into good photos but can't bear to have a conversation about composition or aesthetics
>>4255468I use awful gear. I shoot expired film in a free camera and my non phone digital is sony nex i traded 5g of weed for. I will never buy better gear. I view people who want better gear as inferior. I am the “cannont fool framer”. LOL. It’s a persona i created to parody, troll, and make a spectacle of gearfag seethe.
>>4255469>I was only pretending to be retarded, every day for God knows how long
Our beloved /p/ has been overrun by children and it's such a shame.
>>4255535He can justify it as much as he wants, but he's never recovering all those hours wasted writing inane shit in 4chan.
>i was just pretending to be retarded to cope with my poverty
>>4255536It's all been downhill since Project Chanology if we're being honest, but this place as a whole took a particularly rotten turn in 2020 and will never be good again. Every single board on this site is nothing but dreck.
>>4255541>but this place as a whole took a particularly rotten turn in 2020It's not just this placeAfter the hysterical fags in every other platform banned everything they deemed not kosher and forced a massive wedge between opinions on the internet, 4chan was filled with exclusively butthurt rejects
>>4255424>spends an entire thread coping and seething about a claimed 1/3ev of RAW NR>just fucking obsesses over it>outright ignores and denies that other manufacturers do it, even when stars are eaten>post after post after post about the R3>"BUT OMG BILL SAID CANON USED 1/3RD EV RAW NR HOW CAN ANYONE BUY THIS CAMERA?">writes entire fucking blog posts about it>foaming at the mouth>can't stop>starts talking about it again in the mft generalShow us on your mft camera where the R3 hurt you.
>>4255548you got me confused, retard>still seething in the m43 threadnever change full faggots
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>>4254746me in the middle
>>4255548Its the hysterical whataboutism/conspiracy theory canon shill again. He gives the g9ii fag a run for his buyers remorse. >>4255583>>4255598Not very good
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>>4255551>mft users are confused Yes>>4255657>entire life is centered around bitching about a camera he could never afford >calls other people hysterical So did an R3 owner just blow you the fuck out at a wedding or something?
>>4255681>so did an r3 owner blow you at a weddingNot a good look canon coperGo back to talking about the z8s super secret undetectable noise reduction
>>4255689You're actually childish enough to omit words from what they said and then respond to that. This is beyond pathetic.
>>4255689I'm not saying this to 'own you', but I think you're a prodromal schizophrenic and should see a doctor when possible. The mania, the obsession, the conspiratorial thinking, these are all the same behaviors a friend of mine had before losing his mind, except that his was about Half-Life 2. We're way past a 'bit' or trolling.
>>4255699>this much butthurt because he paid $5000 for a slight adjustment in post
>>4255709Niggu u have 5 post in a row meltclowna claiming canon has the best everything and then post conspiracy theories about secret undetectable forced noise reduction in sony and nikon because you literally cant handle canon forcing nr look in the mirror nigga fr fr
>>4255712>someone mentions a lens sony has>cannot shill makes 6 posts seething about it and chartposting over EF lensesYeah he’s a schizo
>>4255709I'm starting to feel guilty egging him on because there's obviously a deeper mental issue here.>>4255712>>4255716Seek help before it's too late.
>>4255729>samefagging to accuse others of samefagging I hope you know you’re the most repetitive and mentally ill poster on /p/, nophoto canon shill.
>>4255709Just release 3 already, Gaben.
>>4255737Please get help.
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>>4255772>cheaper camera>better photo than mr 2k’s flower shitsnice
>>4255712I think you have me confused for someone else. I am sorry that people who don’t type like schizos or in Ebonics all seem the same to you.I actually do shoot on Micro 4/3. I wish this thread was more like /FAG the Fujifilm thread, just because they talk about what they’re doing rather than jousting at shadows. >>4255772I really enjoy this. I hope you’ve got a print of it or at least put it in rotation as a desktop wallpaper.
>>4255821>I wish this thread was more like /FAG the Fujifilm thread,MFT's mere existence makes snoyfags seethe uncontrollable and spend hours refreshing these threads for (you)s. We have to stop feeding them. I don't really want to post my work in these threads when it'll get buried under the 10000th argument over equivalence/noise/reach/whatever.
>>4255821/fag/ doesn’t have a whiny pedophile obsessed with the fake specs of the xh2 arguing with literally everyone and insisting it has 5 stops less noise than medium format (which you have to buy if you disagree with him) so they lack mft equivalence
>>4255709I think you need to rethink your life and do a self check if you are diagnosing prodromal schizophrenia and trying to identify anonymous posters as "all one guy" over the bog standard griefing of repeat shitposters, with other shitposts like literally: "suck my dick". I've seen more elaborate one man campaigns held by perfectly normal high school students, including the abuse of fake identities and the presence of real life consequences, over basically nothing/laughs. It's called bullying, and it's healthy and normal. Someone made dumb claims very dumbly. Now they get bullied, and so does anyone who agrees with them. Welcome to life. The point is eventually people stop being dumb. In real life it's supposed to escalate to someone beating the shit out of someone else so they shut up.if you ARE self aware and are just shitposting yourself, well, don't waste your time because it doesn't function if you can't beat the shit out of someone
>>4255839Who the fuck is going to read this ramble? Get a God damn blog.
>>4255856Why did you capitalize god? Do you capitalize Shit at random too? Weirdo. Anyways what’s the best m43 for shooting of girls?
>>4255829Do you ever post any photos? I can't be 100% sure it's you but there's an angry shitposter in every other thread that never posts photos and can't make his case without misrepresenting everyone else.You could've actually done something productive with all the time you spend here. Maybe take some photos.
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>>4255939Lovely, but if it was my photo I'd get the background flowers completely out of shot (or completely in shot)
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>>4255954I spend time here posting and chatting about photos, and maybe a couple of minutes reading and replying to you.Jeff spends 2 mins reading/replying to you.Bob Jeff spends 2 mins reading/replying to you.Greg Jeff spends 2 mins reading/replying to you etcSo you've wasted 2 minutes of everyone's time, and all it cost you was a couple of short hours, every day, and whatever you could've done instead.Well played.
>>4255934Nobody posts photos with that attitude, so he's either an eternal nophoto or he posts photos with a different personality.Both options are pretty cringe.
>>4255951i was thinking desaturating the greenery, but it didnt came our as great as I hoped.
>>4255954>iPhone 8 Plusit's so over.....
>>4255963>>4255962>>4255934Nice schizo freakout and not one photo posted. No wonder they call it micro fool turds.
>>4255939Serious question. Is this your first “real” camera ie: not film or phone? These boring flower shits are what literally everyone does when they finally get a camera that isn’t an iphone or a pentax spotmatic+50mm
>>4255603It's a safe place to be, ngl.
>>4255987It's a good way to learn and this isn't a photography thread anyway.
>>4255986One of those is me Andi posted the surfer pic
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>>4256068>>4256008>the one with the cheaper camera takes the better picturemany such cases
I know that these are just shitposting threads but I got my OM5 today and... wtf! You guys told me that it was xboxhueg but its smaller than my SLR! Gonna take it for a spin soon but feels comfy.
>>4256071I'm certain you take perfect pictures.
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>>4256074Enjoy anon, I like mine a lot. Is that the 12-40 f/2.8? How's it feel on it? I got the 12-45 f/4 for daily shooting thinking the 2.8 would feel a little heavy.
>>4256074Mad jelly of that IQ, hope to see some pics soon!
>>4255082It's the aspect ratio?
>>4256126S H A R PHARPThey better do that sensor in GX body soon.
>>4256126Why do foolturds post pixel peeping sized photos? I dont want to pixel peep your sharpness falloff homo
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Needless to say, the default jpeg engine settings Panasonic used this time are absolute dogshit (God only knows what flavor reached C1), a fact they are aware of and something they said won't change. I can only suspect this is so not to eat into S5(2) sales to keep getting people into L mount.There's so much "just no".....
>>4256170>a fact they are aware of and something they said won't changeSource?
>>4256170It is a cheaper bodied version of the g9-1 with a FW update. Sorry if shills hyped it up too much. The same people said the s5ii performed like a medium format camera and was going to boot nikon to #4. Panasonic isn’t staying with this super niche system for long. They have the best video IBIS on full frame and still can’t outsell a primarily apsc brand known for bad ergos, overpriced soft lenses, and sensors that get 2/3 the details their megapixel counts imply, when panasonic’s FFs are basically improved snoys with worse AF and better lenses. They’re going to have to change something.
>>4256199>They’re going to have to change something.Their marketing budget, likely. Good luck with that.
>>4256199the RAW IQ is actually amazing, fucking retard lacking reading comprehension.>>4256194one of the Lumix live streams.you just have to shoot RAW at 6400ISO and above that's it or mess with the builtin profiles to see which one can best be tuned to spec. as stated, 2 stops better than G9
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>>4256236Gaining 2 stops is not possible without, pick one:1: A nobel prize winning improvement to the quantum efficiency of sensors, exceeding 100% and gathering signal from a parallel universe2: labeling the ISO even further off than panasonic did on the first g9, giving iso 25 exposure settings at ISO 2003: a nobel prize winning creation of technology that fits large objects in spaces that are physically too small4: forcing the same noise reduction you can do in post onto the raws to convince you your camera is magic when you end up with the same end result as someone that just reduced noise in post, making raw comparisons wholly invalid5: secret global shutter stacking every exposure The first g9 is about one stop under the ideal, meaning impossible, 100% QE bayer-less m43 sensor just with faked ISO labels. It’s literally impossible unless you or panasonic are lying about something here.
>>4256238DR boost. Probably dual gain fuckery
>>4256237and you can get even cleaner by underexposing and raising up to 1.5 stops (by eye) in post with basically no loss
>>4256238there's 2 exposures for every shot, dumb fucking retard
>>4256238Panasonic totally pulled a snoy a7siii but better. The g9ii is actually an 40mp sensor, and they are applying NR and then resizing it to 20mp. Nah jk the shill is lying. He got his claim from the strength of in camera NR for jpeg shooters. The most honest result we can hope for is a pentax k1ii situation.
>>4256242Oh okay so it’s not improved you’re just shooting bursts and stacking like everyone else already could but doesn’t because even with a 60fps camera you get ghosting on anything that isn’t a statue or a plant. Lemme tell z8 and a9iii owners their cameras btfo medium format if things hold really still and they have the SNR of ISO 1.
>>4256247I don't think DR boost halves your shutter speed if that's what you're implying
>>4256247yeah, guess having a sensor that can read out at 120fps comes with advantages huh :3pic related is GH6 compared to OM1 and G9, G9II vs OM1 in OP - 2 stopsso they made 3 way advance>resolution making noise less aparent>dual exposures for every shot>whatever progress in sensor tech happened in the last 5 years[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Image-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution216 dpiVertical Resolution216 dpiColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width1170Image Height1165
>>4256250“DR boost” (stacking) doubles your shutter speed and takes two exposures that are assumed motionless at half that speed. You could already do this just as well on olympus. The om-1 shoots 120fps stills so if you had a triple digit IQ you could have already done this with more than two exposures even. And more accurate stacking (PC rather than on camera). So this is yet another game changer from panasonic that olympus users had last year. Lol.
>>4256253Seriously listen to yourself for a second The OM1 already shot 120 fps. Stacking like this was possible a long time ago. It has limited applications. They added 5 megapixels. This is negligible in real photography. It’s literally a menu item for an inferior on camera version of what was already achieved with om1+macbook air you’re using anyways because panasonic sooc jpegs look like shit.
>>4256199>They have the best video IBIS on full frameThat would be Canon.
>>4256254>doubles your shutter speedt.mental midgetread the first row of pixels at Gain0, move to row 2, read row 2 at Gain0, read row 1 at Gain1. or whatever method they settled on
>>4256258No. Canon says they have 8 stop IBIS based on CIPA rigs but in real footage panasonic IBIS is devoid of jitters and snaps that canon footage is plagued by. Canon IBIS is rated assuming a camera operator trying to hold still, which is what CIPA ratings are based on. Even with an 800mm lens, 5 stops is enough for IRL stills because those subjects tend to move pretty fast. But for video, the quality of IBIS is more important than stops on CIPA’s vibration table.
>>4256257om1 can't do 120fps (or good 60 for that matter) video so their processor cannot handle dual exposures realtime.
>>4256259ONCE MORE. It’s a 120fps sensor. It can’t read out anything faster than the OM1, also a 120FPS sensor. This stacking was already possible you just never heard of it because it’s relatively useless due to ghosting. Gain 1 and 0 are ISO ranges not magic. The whole industry already has dual gain.
>>4256262The OM1 shoots 120fps stills. So it could do 120fps video with a better buffer or a faster processor, but a 120fps camera is a 120fps camera. It can read 120 images a second. Also you are going to give snoys the false idea the a9iii is a medium format killer.
>>4256265>>4256263ok good luck with that, retard.All in all more than pleased. A nuisance that I have to fuck around with profiles at ISO6400 and 12800 (25600 is a no go anyway)
>>4256266>good luck with thatJust debunking yet another panasonic release where some gimmick olympus already had is somehow a game changer (and then the shills get tired of making that claim). Buy your OM1s, folks. It also has less chroma noise.The g9ii has cool video specs that are consistently on par with a more expensive FF shooting in APSC 4k in capability and quality. That’s about it really.
>>4256267yes, buy the OM1 folks, I need my flower shits to look good in comparison.
>>4256268They would look the same. Stacking with a 120fps sensor is what it is. Macro and astro fags have been abusing it for a while. It can’t gain infinite DR because it also amplifies pattern noise as snoys will soon learn. Good luck with video though! It’s about as good as shooting an r5 with a 1.5x crop but costs $2000, doesn’t force NR for half the ISO range, and actually has native lenses. That’s probably why all my friends run a nikon for stills and a gh5 for video.
>>4256269ok nophoto retard, thanks for you valuable input as always. folks, buy the r5 and om1
>>4256270Buy a z8 and wait 2 years for you to sell your g9ii for a fat discount, more like.
buy a zenit and shut the fuck up
>>4256271ok folks, you heard the authoritative report from the nophoto retard, buy the z8
>>4256271Im going to buy the zve1 instead and use it for video while my om1 shoots stills. cant beat uncropped FF quality.
>>4256260Canon IBIS does not have jitters or snaps. It does have corner wobble with UWA lenses, but that's impossible to avoid unless you prevent all sensor tilt (2 axis) and design an OIS group in the UWA to handle any movement normally handled by sensor tilt.
>clash of the shillsI'm not buying a new camera. You all lose
>>4256276I don't this destitute citizens were ever in their target audience
>>4256275Yes it has jitters and snaps. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_VHqhhLgJeEI really can’t imagine a better setup than a panasonic camera rolling for video and using a separate FF for stills with its own lens and settings.
>>4256278cannot sisters, not like this…
>>4256278>muh youtube clickbait!!!!His R6ii footage looks like IBIS is off or the camera was not really on a rig. I've never seen shit like that from my R6 hand held, no rig, IBIS alone or IBIS+OIS. I mean...if I'm jogging fast to change position and just leave it recording while my arm and body swing around, sure. Not any time I was actually trying to capture footage and walking.
>>4256278Oof, cannot big sad
>>4256278>canon’t make ibis work in videobetween this and non-l lenses not even being weather sealed canon is just sony with a different logo and more of a video/framerate priority
>>4256277>prove you're not poor. consOOOOOOOOOOOm
>>4256275>Canon IBIS does not have jitters or snaps.Come on now. From tests I've seen the R7 has better ibis for still, but they're still behind on smooth footage.
>>4256137j aspect ratio > m aspect ratio
>>4255082>>4256137It's actually four thirds on a 1 inch sensor, which isn't actually an inch, but refers to the size of the valve tube that they used to use in the analog days.
Kodak apparently made a single MFT camera with a 12-45mm f/3.5-6.3, a 42.5-160mm f/3.9-5.9 telezoom, and a 400mm f/6.7 fixed aperture, manual focus telephoto lens. Has anyone ever seen or used this camera or these lenses? I'm kind of fascinated by it, especially that they'd go with the weird manual telephoto on release. I've never seen it anywhere and in practice it's probably not that interesting or useful. Side note but I do wish other brands would invest in MFT, it's a shame we don't get stuff like a Nikon MFT body and lenses etc. One of the main advantages of the system is that it's open, it's a shame consumers are okay with propriety mounts that offer no real advantage or differentiation over each other.
>>4256417No one cared because mfts quality is impossible to distinguish from a 1” pns and them the bottom end of the market got its boipucci fatally plowed by phones
>>4256417the 42-160 was supposed to be pretty good. didn't manage to find one for cheap a few years ago.
>>4256280>>4256284>>4256294>samefagging this hard after posting shill videoThat buyer's remorse is really kicking in.
>>4256313Bitch, any number of reviews point out that Canon's IBIS produces gimbal like results. Tony Northrup went on and on about it, how he could leave the gimbal at home when shooting the R5/R6, with sample footage every time he bragged about it. That's my experience as well.>but muh shill video!If there's a hundred videos showing smooth footage and one video showing a problem, it isn't the camera.
>>4256442>its shills!A used r6ii is the same price of a new s5ii yet video first shooters keep going panasonic. It’s because canon’s IBIS is tuned for sports photographers and steady operators doing slow pans, not run and gun videographers. Also, panasonic’s lenses are much better for the money. Only RF L lenses are even weather sealed. And I doubt the dried up weather sealing of a 10 year old EF lens that is no longer made cuts the cheese.
>>4256445most rf l lenses are hardly sharp enough for how much canon wants for them unless you exclusively shoot monochrome line art and judge lenses based on field curvature from 2m awayid take panasonic, sigma, and leica glass any day
>>4256445now that Lumix has pdaf, the circle is complete.they just need to expand on the native lenses lineup.
>>4256445>A used r6ii is the same price of a new s5ii yet video first shooters keep going panasonic. [CITATION NEEDED]>It’s because canon’s IBIS is tuned for sports photographers and steady operators doing slow pans, not run and gun videographers. LMFAO what the fuck is a "run and gun" videographer doing differently? You think they actually shoot while running? You think the S5ii will actually keep footage steady while running? You're a no-photo, no-video, cameraless newb.>Also, panasonic’s lenses are much better for the money. Let's compare Canon and Panasonic's 24-105 f/2.8 IS power zoom lens. OH WAIT...>And I doubt the dried up weather sealing of a 10 year old EF lens that is no longer made cuts the cheese.Ohhhh...now I get it. You're that faggot with a Canon hate boner. Did you buy a Rebel that failed on you or something? Did you lose a job to some guy with an R3?Rubber seals don't "dry up" and my oldest piece of Canon weather sealed equipment (35mm Canon EOS 3) still laughs at rain. Go shill on reddit.
>>4256445>>4256446>>4256447>samefaggingAlso:>most rf l lenses are hardly sharp enoughThey're typically the sharpest lenses in their class.>nooooo the test is wrong muh panny lens is sharper in the real world JUST TRUST ME BRO!!!I enjoy shit posting, but you have an obsession and really need help.
>>4256451>rubber seals dont dry up *larps*I hope ur canon comes back from the repair center soon so you can post photos or whatever
>>4256452I cant hear your shilling over my GM lenses, uncropped 4k120 on full frame; and global shutterI also use a g9ii as a travel camera now
>>4256453>no photo>no camera>"i hope you can post photos or whatever"LMFAO
>>4256454>nooo i totally own a camera that was released yesterdayLOL
>>4256456ooh big letters. im so taken aback. still waiting on those photos or why you’re seething about canon in the m43 thread champ. is it because your latest repair bill could have bought a g9ii?
>>4256458>no photos in the m43 threadIsn't this the norm though?
>>4256459To be fair, sometimes they have shitty soft photos of birds, or near-macro shots of flowers to prove they can have shallow DoF and bokeh too.
>>4256460here have a photo of a car to spice things[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakePanasonicCamera ModelDMC-G6Camera Softwaredarktable 4.4.2Maximum Lens Aperturef/1.0Focal Length (35mm Equiv)0 mmImage-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandImage Created2023:11:18 19:29:45Exposure Time1/1000 secF-Numberf/0.0Exposure ProgramNormal ProgramISO Speed Rating160Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceFine WeatherFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length0.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width3411Image Height2474Exposure ModeAutoImage QualityUnknownWhite BalanceDaylightFocus ModeManualSpot ModeUnknownImage StabilizerOffMacro ModeNormalShooting ModeProgramAudioNoFlash Bias0.00 EV
>>4256459>>4256460>nophoto posts 100 times seething because he spent $10,000 on fool frame to take 0 pics>why is der no photos when der is 100 posts? durrrrr! hurrrrr!g9ii chads already posted more and better photos itt than you have on your computer
>>4256460I like the road signs the most.
>>4256459>>4256460fooltard has no photos and no life, only buyer's R3morse.sad, many such cases.
>>4256462>>4256466>wdym i'm samefagging?
>>4256461>iso 160>noisy bokehwtf?
>>4256599its called SOVL
>>4256599Mft iso 160 = ff iso 640 assuming no manufacturers lie about their ISO settings. ISO 800 on FF is noticeably noisy.
>>4256616>typical fool framer thinks ISO causes noisekek
>>4256625>ACKSHUALLY TECHNICALLY SNOY SNOY *fucks up his math so bad he thinks a gf1 has less noise than a iq4*Dont autism yourself to death. MFT 100 = FF 400. Period. >BUTNo. Wrong. MFT ISO 100 has the noise of FF ISO 400. >BUT G92The OM-1 could already stack exposures. No one cares because of the ghosting on moving subjects which are the primary reason people end up with really bad ISO noise anyways. For immobile landscapes even a 5d classic can stack.
>>4256628Who are you quoting? ISO doesn't cause noise moron.
>>4256631All things being equal ISO 100 on micro four thirds has the noise of ISO 400 on full frame.
>>4256625Does gain on a circuit not create noise?
>>4256632kek no, that is not how this works. Tell me what happens when you increase your ISO from 100 to 400 in manual mode without changing anything else. You can even try it out if you have a camera by you, I'll wait.
>>4256633noit amplifies it along the rest of the picture
Its another foolturd gets mad at equivalence existing episode because rather than buy micro four thirds for its advantages he bought it because he is poor and stupid
>>4256634>Being this fucking stupidIf you take a photo at 25mm f/4, 1/200, ISO 100 on micro four thirds, it will have the same DOF and SNR as a photo taken at 50mm f/8, 1/200, ISO 400 on full frame. PeriodMicro four thirds is two stops noisier at every ISO. You can not weasel your way out of this. Micro four thirds is two stops noisier at every ISO.
>>4256637Going back to a completely unrelated point I see. It's okay if you need a sec to grab your camera, we can wait. You do have a camera, don't you nophoto?
>>4256636Now we just need cANON to cope about equivalence totally debunking full frame because he needs deep focus from 3 feet away as if that’s the only picture anyone takes
>>4256638>Be you>a subhuman autistic piece of shit>extremely fat and ugly, literally no chin, facial hair looks like burnt pubes>someone says something that clearly means one thing but is incorrect assuming exacting technical language is being used >EVERYONE ELSE understands it perfectly >but because it is not technically correct according to exacting technical vernacular you get in a stupid argument >that no one else understands except for the one person in the room>me>who understands that aspergers patients are actually retarded, and howI am reiterating what I originally said in a way you might understand because you are a subhuman fuckwit who lacks theory of mind and needs things explained in simple english. Autists are idiotic weasels and should be sent to die in war as a matter of law. That is what I originally meant but you have a form of mental retardation that caused you to read “FF ISO 100 = MFT ISO 400” as something about digital gain. This is because as an aspergers victim you lack the real intelligence and theory of mind to understand the real meaning of a statement in the context of a conversationSuch as>Why noisy bokeh You’re just an idiot. That’s all. Next you will start posting read noise dominated ISO 500000000 shit from dpreview i’m sure of it. Fucking subhuman.
>>4256639>need cANONHonestly, I think some of you do. You enjoy it, admit it.
>>4256642>switched FF and MFT around Oh to be autisticWell I’m not so I don’t proofread posts twice. The funniest part is an autistic will now ask “where did you switch them around” because one of them is dumb enough to see that mistake as correct.
>>4256643most people enjoy bullying but the internet robs them of the catharsis of the other side either turning into a sputtering mess or getting punched so it becomes an endless cycle only terminated by boredom
>>4256642>FF ISO 100 = MFT ISO 400Still having trouble with this one I see. That's alright, you can take your time. It might even teach you something about crop formats.
>>4256646You are genuinely too stupid to understand a context dependent statement to the point you think someone would say the sensitivity of ISO 100 and 400 are the same, rather than the clear reference to imaging area’s relation to noise and how it very neatly scales to the same aesthetic effect of photographic stops worth of gain. Again, this is a well known form of mental retardation. Any form of consciousness you have is closer to a strangely intelligent animal than to that possessed by a full fledged human being. I just want you to leave this conversation knowing you are significantly less intelligent than most people despite any rote memorization and arithmetic skills you may have.
>>4256658Maybe you should grab a camera and try this >>4256634 I think it'll clear things up.
>>4256680Why is the RV so fucking bad? Don't small pixels have around the same SNR per unit area as larger pixels since noise averages out more?
>>4256681no, of course not. increase pixels, increase circuitry, increase heat, increase noise, slow to readouts, etc, etc, etcas previously explained, the theoretical FF advantage is maximum one stop, IF you keep the same megapixels to maintain photosite size, when you don't, that one stop advantage decreases - there are FF bodies with worse noise at the same ISO as the GH5S. FF should not have more than 32-36MP.Then again, on m43 I can speedboost APSC and FF lenses and pour a shitload of light on the sensor, what are FF gonna do, adapt MF lenses?Turns out a mount made by engineers is superior in every way to mounts made by accountants (bar nikon z)
>>4256686Makes sense. There are some articles that say so, but when you mention circuit and thermal density then it becomes obvious
>>4256421Yeh, I honestly don’t see the point of making MFT or really any of these mid range-low end product lines when the avg cellphone takes a better image in every way. To carry around a camera that does something your cellphone doesn’t, means either shooting film or medium format digital. Even great glass on a full frame 24mp sensor with $3000 worth of sophisticated digital dandies built in is tough to justify when you look at the images next to iPhone images at this point. If MFG’s would drop the low end and just produce more of the high end, they could increase qty/reduce costs of the high end component orders and sell more of fewer assemblies. Everyone did this in our industry too. We thought it’d kill us all, but now we are all firmly companies in the high end, and don’t have to manage a huge catalog of mid/low end product lines & inventory, and all our customers are buying the best products we can possibly build, just ones specialized for specific uses. In cameras that might mean you make three 45mp cameras, one big fat fucker w all the features you can think of, a one that’s waterproof & ruggedized, one that’s more compact & bare-bones, as a budget option. But all your customers are ultimately getting to shoot high resolution images with excellent glass, which is what your company, and the entire market of specialty camera makers become equated with, increasing the value across the board and justifying its existence in a world full of people that now understandably thinking their phone does what most cameras do so what’s the point of standalone cameras still existing?…theres your mf run-on sentence mrs rudolf.
I'd this pasta? No way is anyone this buttmad about someone else's camera.
>>4256681>noise averages outyeah, averaging out randomness lol
>>4256752I dont own a phonephone photos are fine if you are a clueless zoomer that never had anything better or a dumb boomer that will contrastmax the editing anyway
>>4256765isn't that how reliable distributions are formed
>>4256752That shift already happened, Point and Shoots were easily most of everyone’s volume (especially Olympus) but far less of their margin. The camera apocalypse already happened, we’re living in the aftermath.
>>4256774the average of $random is ... $random
>>4256791The average of $random is $random/n
>>4256681No. That’s a chartfag myth. Smaller pixels = worse noise. COMPUTER SNR MEASUREMENTS say less noise but the human eye sees the noise as worse.
>>4256686>the theoretical ff advantage is one stopIt’s two. Two stops. Every ISO. And sharper optics due to the relation between aberration and pixel size. Which is why your speedbooster shit hardly gets used IRL, it makes lenses that don’t work at your pixel pitch even worse. M43 is dying and only wordcel forum faggots use it for anything but youtube videos for a reason.
Micro foolturds people be like>FF is pointless according to this half baked math micro four thirds is better i can just do this and this and this and its BETTER fool frame full faggots! its been better for the last five years and SNOY and OM SHITSTEM hit pieces are why this camera that is better, smaller, and cheaper didn’t take over like all the other better, smaller, cheaper cameras did!>photos? no but i have some dpreview screenshots hold on full faggot fool framer I’ll BTFO YOU (MOOOOM CAN I GO IN THE GARDEN FOR A SECOND ITS FOR SCHOOL)/every thread
^Shit nobody ever says
>>4256832it really is concerning how obsessed they are with trying to autism up an explanation for how they totally don’t want a real camera
>>4256832Every nophoto/snapshitter gearfag is retarded but the mft crowd does seem to be the worst.
>>4256599>>noisy bokeh>wtf?Nothing noisy about that bokeh. Here is what noisy bokeh really looks like: >>4254877
>>4256843>>4256834>>4256832>And here we see three guys just popping into the mft thread for a chat with each other about not liking mftWatching you people is like watching wildlife. I could spend a lifetime wondering what goes on inside your minds.
>>4256845isn't what they call "nerveous" bokeh? I think that he meant grainy anyhow
>>4256832>>photos? no but i have some dpreview screenshots hold on full faggot fool framer I’ll BTFO YOU (MOOOOM CAN I GO IN THE GARDEN FOR A SECOND ITS FOR SCHOOL)Thread is seven days old and there are more photos here than in nearly three month old nikon thread. lol —> >>4228156
>>4256850Because micro four thirds thread really don't have any photosThey have gearfag posts that are so stupid they are provocative. Like people pixel peeping the dpreview scene, which is simultaneously an ISO invariance test because 1: dpreview normalizes exposure 2: panasonic, fuji, and OM system label ISO one stop off.You ALSO shouldn't be using higher ISOs like this... because they are dominated by read noise. Equivalence is for the appearance of noise under normal conditions, shot noise dominance. The sensitivity of m43 doesn't actually change, cropping just makes noise more apparent, so equivalence is literally useless.You don't even pixel peep the dpreview scene correctly. You're supposed to click "comp" so you don't make the mistake of zooming in on the noise more on one camera. You're also supposed to turn off scaling in your OS because retina display users are looking at an upscaled image. And then, you make the mistake of comparing cameras that are not anywhere close to equivalent. I dont think anyone is buying a 62mp sony for low light because some SNR charter said pixel size doesn't affect noise (it does, it affects the appearance of the noise even though it doesn't affect the overall SNR).If this could be mistaken for a photo thread, rather than an arguing about charts thread, then people wouldn't come in to argue about charts.But you don't post photos here. You post 4 flower shits and start arguing against reality. Micro four thirds is a more limiting system because those limitations and their massive IQ hit also enable you to make cheaper lenses and get faster readout speeds. 'Ats it.This is, again, not a photo thread.This is a clueless gearfags arguing themselves into imaginary corners thread. It's like watching mimes. Or people debating atheist morality, arguing based on nothing, fallacies, and totally made up shit.
>>4256856>The problem with these threads is it's just people posting charts>Posts chartTruly fascinating behavior.
>>4256856Mft users really want equivalence to be practical but its notThey don’t have the light gathering of ISO 6400 at ISO 1600. They have the noise, but the exposure itself is still ISO 1600. Same for aperture. Unfortunately your DOF does not care that f2.8 is f2.8 period. Equivalence is about matching DOF, an optional activity. An mft f2.8 is not an f5.6. F2.8 is f2.8. ISO 1600 has the same exposure everywhere.
>>4256856It shouldn't come as any surprise to you that this is 4chan, and there are a couple of people here with a 2006 /b/ attitude.If you see deliberately provocative statements, it's probably one of those.Plus there is at least one guy who seems to genuinely believe modern m43 cameras have actually good noise performance.Everyone else knows exactly what m43 is, exactly what it can do, exactly what its limitations are, and, this is the important bit, exactly what they need.
>>4256856I'd just like to say I'm the guy you replied to and I've never posted a test chart in my life.I know they're on dpreview but I never go there. No need to. It doesn't interest me
>>4256861The latter is a mythical figure. It’s not what they need it’s the most they could afford or be seen with in public without having a panic attack or carry without being in pain due to soibody. That’s where all the insecurity and cope is coming from. They see people can afford FF, are confident being seen with FF, and can carry FF without caring. This leads them to cope. That guy who has m43 because its just what he needs is in /vid/ not here. It’s a shit system for stills outside of macro (high FPS focus stacks) and video and more expensive FFs still mog it there, if you think $5-6k is nothing. Which a lot of people do, because they got lucky in crypto or options trading. Call it slow car syndrome. Every fag with a gt86 is always mad at people with faster, lighter, more expensive cars and will always bring up one of five newb in porsche vs pro in gt86 race+crash videos while starting arguments about how his drift mobile is actually totally faster.
>>4256865more expensive FFs do mog it for video now but even if 6k is nothing even billionaires aren’t using that for a crash cam or taking it anywhere harsh, no matter how good the weather sealing is meant to be.
>>4256865Interesting, because $5k is nothing to me, it's roughly what I spent in the last two months on mft gear to go with my FF gear.
Somewhere on /p/ there is someone that just doesn’t care that micro four thirds is just noiser, softer, but cheaper and lighter. He doesn’t have slow car syndrome and he would never argue as if it mattered if a pro with a lumix gf1 would take better pics than a soccer mom holding a nikon z8 upside down because he is neither that pro nor talking to the soccer mom. He just does not care. His camera is cheaper and worse but he’s using it and just not caring. He is not coping. He is not saying dumb shit like CIPA IBIS stops totally give him less noise than a full frame camera because things move and pocket 8/12 section tripods exist.This guy who doesn’t care and doesn’t cope is not in this thread. Nope. You won’t find him. He is not in these threads the panasonic shill makes in chains to substitute for his missing social life. He is in /rpt/.
>>4256871Interesting.I'm in /rpt/ and /vid/
>>4256869i dont shoot ff i have a hasselblad h6d 400c and a nikon 1 v1 it all literally cost me nothing t. billionairealso i work for fashion photography and everyone uses a sony a7c with a 40mm f2.5 unless the models suck their dick to earn the better camera (we call it the hasselblowjob)
>>4256874The only video I can share with you is a badly converted drone hyperlapse.Most of the photos taken with a G9ii on this site are me.
>>4256880Also me[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakePanasonicCamera ModelDC-G9M2Camera SoftwareAdobe Lightroom 9.0.1 (Android)Maximum Lens Aperturef/5.8Focal Length (35mm Equiv)636 mmImage-Specific Properties:Image Created2023:11:21 18:50:28Exposure Time1/200 secF-Numberf/6.3Exposure ProgramManualISO Speed Rating100Lens Aperturef/6.3Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceCloudy WeatherFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length318.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGB
roll for more fullfaggot tears >>4256891
>>4256850Same lmao. Imagine being so self assured and confident in your gear that you... constantly join mft threads and make these posts.