How high does your net worth have to be for buying a Leica to make sense?
>>4251651Barely fucking anything. What are your expenses and do you plan on retirement or suicide? Single guys working construction and factory jobs and live in cheap midwestern towns can basically bury themselves in leicas for fun and STILL save for retirement.
Not much, you can buy an M39 Leica under 200 bucks if you look around. My IIIc was 100 with1a a Russian I-10
>>4251743>111cAbsolutely fucking terrible camera. good for a leicabater collector, but useless to shoot with
>>4251651Are we talking new or used leica? For a used one not much, realistically if you are young with little expenses and make ok money you can basically have one within 2-6 months of saving, For a new one assuming you don't put it on a CC (dumb idea) you can realistically cop one making a modest income if you save well 1-2 years tops.
>>4251651if you have a job and a credit card, not that high. It's not a heavily depreciating asset like a car.
>>4251651I've had a few Leicas and get paid about £50k. They're not much more expensive than other brands as they keep their value. I made money on a few of them. Go for a M240 with a 50mm F2 Zeiss. It's great if you're okay with MF.
>>4251651Enough that you could comfortably buy 10 of them.
>>4251651>he can't afford to spend 10k for a camera he'll use for the next 15 years
>>4251815Until the global economic collapse when people just want to eat and be warm, and they realize petty things like cameras are worth virtually nothing. You're going to have to wait a good 20 years before they go up in value again.
>>4251958Never going to happen, sorryGlobal economic collapse means the poor are subject to forced labor in order to ensure "UBI" (work or be shot) and the rich continue living it up with their resources acquired for "free". If you can afford this shit you will never be "the poor", just the a "kulak" (almost rich poor) so you will continue living as normal but you will never be able to afford a doctor. Your camera will even still be worth something.It's the masses of gangster nogs, cholos, and MAGA trailer trash that will get fucked extra hard, as well as anyone who only has money because of a service industry job that AI could do or is just plain pointless and could be removed with minimal consequences. Most of new york, sf, etc will live in south africa conditions, for instance but suburban boomers like us will live as normal as long as we're not doing AI tier jobs like programming.
Clicked on /p/ by mistake, loling at this thread. Every board is the same>bro you should just buy this obscenely overpriced gearfagging shit, even poor people have it! You should kys if you don't have expensive status symbol!!!!
>>4251965And you're the same as every coping poorfag>having nice things is bad somehow>spending money is bad because uhhh... it is ok>money money money money money>I BASE MY MORAL WORLD VIEW ON MONEY AND HOW MUCH OF IT YOU SPEND>MONEY MONEY MONEEEEEEYMoney literally does not existIt is an imaginary IOU from an imaginary bank backed by an imaginary military - guarding oil for which the need for is as imaginary as the necessity of a fair and free economy based on imaginary principles like "property rights" implicitly granted by an imaginary gnostic/deists vague heretical version of an imaginary god made up by an imaginary version of a real schizophrenic heeb - that only exists for posturing prior to the nukes flyingEvery single dollar you have is literally thin air. Convert all liquid fiat into stable or appreciating forms of wealth, such as collectable luxury goods or precious metals, or you are just as poor as someone who has no money at all. The guy who scores a rolex below used market value is earning interest far faster than a savings account and his currency readily converts to any nations, without any political hangups. It is riskier than gold, but the reward and utility in the meantime are greater. It's kind of like buying cheap realestate that only richfags will buy from you.USD is worthless by comparison. Give me $10k I buy vintage film leica shit in pristine condition and put it in a dry box before keeping that in fiat form unless I feel like gambling (banking, bonds and securities).And then you have purchases that truly burn money ie: asian consumer goods. But those burn very little money and can provide utility, ie: employment. The poor will pay construction workers for a roof but the rich will pay photographers for vanity. Who can you charge more for less work? Don't buy a camera "for fun" if you can't be confident that its value will be stable/appreciating. Do NOT buy an asian camera unless you will do paid shoots in excess of the fiat.
>>4251969So you are saying that I should keep buying sovietshit cameras, got it.
>>4251958Back when we had no global economy a faberge egg was worth as much as ever. You lose the value of things only the poor would ever buy, like some common nip shit plastic toy, but things that have real cultural value are basically eternalLook at what the rich collect, because they will always be buying more of itWorthless for the next 80 years: Any number of 2023 honda cbr1000rr motorcyclesValuable: Pristine vincent white shadowWorthless forever: A panalympufujicanikony cameraValuable: Leica M4 original + lenses>>4251970A lot of total garbage was made 100, 200, 2000 years ago and the most garbage of the garbage is only worth a few hundred bucks of fiat because it's 2000 years old. For the rest of that it was just old junk, worth $25 for a kitchen spoon that takes months to sell, hilariously inflated but not anything significant.Only some things have value and will ever have value and a lot of the things that don't seem superficially nice anyways. But they aren't.
>>4251969Sorry but I'd rather have a barely UCI legal bike with kickass wheels to mog fat and poor slowpokes, enjoy your red dot though, I'm sure another fat slowpoke will be impressed!
>>4251971>You lose the value of things only the poor would ever buyThe lower classes cannot accumulate wealth through tangible assets usually because of the high up front costs as well as being subject to criminals. Imagine being poor and you somehow afford a leica. You're a rentoid so you can never own a safe. Some fentanyl addict (the reason this person even exists is because of govt policy enacted by highborn) breaks into your house and takes all your shit.Leicas arent even good anyway. Japanshit blows them out of the water. Its all brand name like gucci.
>>4251651Given the developing discussion, I am kind of at odds of buying a Leica. It's tempting and it'll definitely be a luxury purchase, but I don't know if I should vs just buying some film cameras off a market or brand new from Fuji. I guess for me it's more about saying "I own and use a Leica" but I'm not at a point where I'd know the difference between brands like it.
>>4252096A real (film one) is a pretty small investment that will only appreciate A digital one is a joke
>>4252096Buy film and a “legendary” model with a legendary leica branded leica lens and it makes sense. Appreciating history, gaining a valuable asset. Just don’t take it street shitting or hiking so you don’t destroy it. Buy a zorki for that. Keep the leica in the studio.
>>4251976>im not gonna buy a leica because someone could break in and steal it from the exact location in my roomsure, thats the reason. name one "japanshit" camera that blows any leica out of the water
I almost got a Leica Q for $2100. I don't feel all that rich - it's not a lot of money for me, but photography isn't even my main hobby. I still might, but I'm not sure how I feel about all the sample shots I've been looking over. Something about the bokeh weirds me out, and that's important in a fast 28. I have a Canon 28 1.8 that I fucking loathe.
>>4251971>cameras are for my safestein; not for pictures
>>4251651I only shoot with a Leica M11 and Leica-branded lenses.Fuck Voigtlander and fuck poorfags who buy them.
>>4251794let me guess, you need moreIIIc is pocketable, easy to use and the collapsible 3.5 is very sharp. Viewfinder is p good for the era and nice and contrasty
>>4251971>leicas have cultural value>a literbike will be worth less than a cameragr8 b8 m8
i have a Q2 and i'm satisfied with it. i brought it for 3600, if i sell it near future it would be still like 3400 ish. i probably sell it and go to xpro4 if it releases otherwise i think i'll keep using it.
>Leica M11>$9000 Camera>no weather sealing>no dust sealing>no autofocuslol
>>4251814fuken japanese people taking 2 years of my life for a nice toy
In the $1-10kk you should consider committing leica
But used Leica isn't more expensive as new Sony or whatever....?
How long until /p/ realizes people buy Leicas because they look good and they're fashion accessories (as well as cameras).Sorry, but your morbidly obese Canon is ugly as shit (even though it shoots photos just as a good as a Leica).
>>4251659>construction and factory jobsToo bad those professions drain you of all creativity, leaving you without the will to even go out to take photos
I bought a $500 m6 in high school from mowing lawns one summer. My networth was that $500.
YOU DON'T NEED LEICA WHICH COST MORE THAN AVERAGE SOVIET HOUSEWIFEYOU DON'T NEED IMPERIALIST JAP CANNON OR NIKON TO SHOOT 13FPS OF CAT ON AMERICAN LAZEEEE-BOY SOFAYOU DONT NEED POLOROID CAMERA TO TAKE PICTURE FOR TUMBLING WEBSITE OF HIPSTERBUY FINE ZORKI OR FED MADE FROM BASTARD NAZI DESIGN AFTER SOVIET ARMY HUMILATE THEM. BUY 5CM LENS. LEARN TO COMPOSE SUBJECT BEFOREHANDS. LEARN TO ANTICIPATE SUBJECTS MOVEMENT IN AND OUT OF FRAME.SHOOT SVEMA FOTO 250 GOST BLACK AND WHITE FILM. DON'T SHOOT SLIDE FILM OUT OF DATE AND PROCESS IN AMERICAN DRUGGIST PHOTO MACHINE. THAT MAKES YOU HIPSTER ASSHOLE WHO RELY ON MISTAKES. MISTAKES GET YOU KILLED LIKE BASTARD NAZI ARMY WHO DECIDE TO FIGHT IN WINTER OF GLORIOUS MOTHERLANDYOU DONT NEED AMERICAN KODAK CAMERA OF CAPITALIST MYSPACE RETARD GIRL. GO AND SHOOT PICTURES LIKE GREAT SOVIET MAN
>>4252118>don’t take it street shitting or hiking so you don’t destroy itmine is beat to fuck. use it. hate you fuckers so much
>>4252757The problem is when people use it for street instead of true photography
>>4252243>Fuck Voigtlander and fuck poorfags who buy them.These have their purpose and at least the flare looks nice. The flares of the Cron-M 50/2 and Lux 35/1.4 FLE are utterly disgusting.
>>4252371based. i want to see more of this soviet sugar
>>4251651you just have to like it a lot. basic used leica with a lens would cost me my whole monthly salary, but i'm kinda considering one regardless. maybe Q, this stuff is dirt cheap for leica standards, though i wish it would be 50mm
>>4253292Leica isn’t about good photos it’s about larping as one of the jews who used a leica (the leica factory did a send off package including a free camera when they evacuated jewish employees from germany, so literally every jew on earth has strong brand loyalty)And they all used a 28mm pretty heavily. This is also why a stripped down a7rv with a mechanically coupled rangefinder costs $10k when it’s really worth $1k. Jews are notorious for trust funds, and leica wants that money.
>>4252288I work in a factory in central Europe. The only good thing about my job is that it leaves my mental energy / capacity alone. So after work I can focus on my hobbies.
>>4251651is it juat me or the Leica cameras don't have any charecter? all of it's pics look like they made with an iPhone. for 8k camera is expect some real shit.
>>4255606>is it juat me or the Leica cameras don't have any charecter?the character is how they look in your hand, not the pictures they actually take.
Remember when they cried out in pain as they struck BJDrew?
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>>4255779Not with that Dyshidrotic eczema, no.
>>4255779This is the poorest Leica I've ever seen. Don't forget your IR filter!
>>4255779>spends all his money on a century old M8>can't afford a proper lensk e kek[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeRICOH IMAGING COMPANY, LTD.Camera ModelRICOH GR IIICamera SoftwareCapture One 23 MacintoshSensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaFocal Length (35mm Equiv)28 mmImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution300 dpiVertical Resolution300 dpiExposure Time1/6 secF-Numberf/2.8Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating8000Lens Aperturef/2.8Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length18.30 mmImage Width2560Image Height1707RenderingCustomExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardContrastHardSaturationNormalSharpnessNormalSubject Distance RangeMacro
>>4255932That's a perfect lens for the 1.33 crop dumbass
>>4255779>M8 and M9>CCDThe Patricians choice.
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>>4255779m8 crop with the 25mm skopar is epic don't listen to the haters you got a perfect setup until that camera shutter stops working good luck
>>4255779>>4255975Never understood why people spend so much for a Leica body and then go for the budget option. Getting a Leica CL or a Minolta CLE, or for digital X-Pro with an M mount adapter and pairing these cameras with a Cron or a Lux seems like a much smarter thing to do, because the lens decides how the final picture will turn out, much less the body, especially with film
>>4256035Budget lens option*
>>4256035Xpro is garbage. Shit EVF fake pns tier ovf. The point of a real leica is that they are super repairable and someone 500 years for now will still be machining fresh new parts because it’s a legendary leica and lots of rich people want to keep them running. The iconic/mainline models are lifer cameras like vintage mechanical rolexes that still get fresh gears cut. The lens is a matter of taste.
>>4256035I would rather own ten m8s than one xpro. Xtrans and fuji build quality? No thanks. Double ouch.
>>4256041You mean rather one M8 than ten Xpros?
>>4256035$5 camera with 600 dollar lens checking in
>>4256035You do realize current voigtlander lenses match or outperform Leica lenses now right? New Voigt Ultrons are better than Summicrons, New Voigt Noktons are better than Summiluxes. >>4255976Literally bought the m8 to flip. It's going in the mail tomorrow. It's actually a pretty shite camera. Would definitely rather have an xpro and adapt lenses. >>4256040The whole Leica reliable thing is hilarious. They're finicky as fuck and need a lot of maintenance/adjustments.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Image-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-Hand
>>4256053>You do realize current voigtlander lenses match or outperform Leica lenses now right?I have never seen such cope in my life holy shit.
>>4256079>You do realize voigtlander lenses outperform leica lenses now correct>You do realize Nikon cameras are now more reliable than leicas correct>You do realize seiko and casio watches are now more accurate and durable than rolex and omega watches correct>You do realize half of hasselblads range now underperforms fujifilm correct>You do realize Gibson and PRS guitars are poorly compared to Ibanez and ESP correct>You do realize toyota makes better cars than BMW now correct>You do realize gucci and versace clothing is of a lower grade than your average affordable Japanese fashion brand correct? actually you can find better shit at jc penny>NOO NOOOO NONONONONONO THIS IS A COPE THIS IS A FUCKING COPE POORFAG POORFAG SOUR GRAPES POORFAG COPE COPECOPECOPECOPEthe seethe of a pseudo-richfag who realizes they wasted their money and it was, despite their ego, still a lot of money to them. happens when middle class turds are out of touch and try to be rich based on 70 year old info as they were never rich and thus never remained aware of what rich people are actually doing circa 2023 instead of circa 1953.just give up and complete the look with a slammed caddy and gold spinner rims. you will never have taste.
>>4256089(sorry for the typo i'm brazilian)
>>4256079I mean, if you actually care about gear so much go google comparisons. I don't care enough to do it for you.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Image-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-Hand
>>4256089It be a”best phones are android, apple is laggy poorly designed shit by comparison” situation. People gotta face the facts that last year’s luxury brands are shit now. t. Drives and hates an audi s8
>>4256089>You do realize seiko and casio watches are now more accurate and durable than rolex and omega watches correctI only shoot with Leica (M11) and Leica lenses. I only wear luxury watches. Simple as.
Most people I know IRL actually using Leica are in the 50-80k/yr, 50-300k net worth ballpark. All very much photo enthusiasts. I see mostly M4-P/M6/M10 and Q2's.Most rich folk I know IRL (+100k/yr, +500k net worth) go for Z9/A1/R3 type cameras with 24-300 or 24-105 type zooms, and just use them for snapshots / travel.A lot of the normal income photogs I know spend more in total gear costs than most of the Leica shooters I know. Think M6 + 2 lenses vs 2-3 A7RIV bodies + 6-8 lenses.I also know way more normies that spend similarly large amounts on other hobbies (cycling, kayaking, snowboarding, cars, etc).Leicas are expensive and not a good fit for most people, but you definitely don't have to be rich to own one.
>>4256110this is pretty accurate. i know quite a few leica shooters who own one body and one lens. all other photographers i know have multiple lenses and often multiple bodies of whatever brand(s) they've bought into. one of my close friends bought his m4 and summicron 35mm in 2003 and hasn't bought another camera or lens since.
>>4256089>You do realize toyota makes better cars than BMW now correctThey don't though lmao, people just neglect the maintenance on the BMWs because it's a lot more expensive
>>4256110>>4256129>leica poorfags are the pushers of the "one prime for everything" mentalitylmao couldn't have seen it coming
So much poverty ittKeep using your snoyshit npc cameras and posting from your androids, you were never meant for anything else
>>4256316I hope that I, too, will one day be rich enough to shitpost on 4chan
>>4256320Don't worry, they're posers. Real rich shitposters shitpost with a 4chan Pass™ badge
>>4252371glory to labor!
>>4256316>$XXXX pricetag product >I AM LE FUCKING HAUTE CULTURE RICHY RICHYNo. This is the hobby shit trailer trash buys when the union finally bumps their pay up. Either this, a project car, or motorcycles or electric guitars or tools they’ll never use.
>>4252371what about my chaika
If you ever want to know if something is richfag or poorfag, walk into a pawn shop. Everything you see there is poor people shit. I wall into one sometimes to play all their musical instruments and leave without buying anything and every time i see dozens of FF DSLRs and MILCs, including leicas, piles of gibsons and fenders, stacks of marshalls, aisles of auto shop tools, computers and parts from last year galore, and every video game console released until today. All poor people shit. I have NEVER seen a mechanical film leica, or ANY DECENT film camera for that matter (no ur plastishit eos elan f100 is not decent go buy an fm3 faget) at a pawn shop.
>>4256408funny, everytime i go to the pawnshops its all canon poorfag specials lmao.
>>4256408accurate. my richer friends exclusively shoot film. i go to pawn shops to buy my kids video games and I haven’t seen decent film cameras either. i did see the whole mirrorless eos r lineup with a few L zooms once. don’t forget all the bicycles with heavy shit frames and not a carbon wheel in sight unless its stolen
>>4256408I found one decent film camera at a pawnshop, a Zeiss Contaflex that was broken and I spent a day disassembling it and fixing it, bought some lenses for it and it's a complete system now
>>4256408You don't see film gear because it's just all gone. Not because it's for rich people. Poor people shoot Olympus/Panasonic/Fuji/Pentax: historically "budget" brands. The same people drive Kias. Their purchasing decisions are based purely on "value per dollar" and not on actual desire for a product.
>>4256408Dawg that's cause nobody even has film gear around anymore. Are actually this dumb? Also people get their Digi shit stolen all the time and it winds up in pawnshops.
>>4256546>Dawg that's cause nobody even has film gear around anymoreimbecile
>>4256546Pawn shops are also where poorfags dump bad purchases when their landlord’s patience runs thin.
>>4256550i've gone into my local pawn shops asking if they had any film gear and they said they don't sell it because they don't want to deal with testing and guaranteeing it.
>>4256035as far as digital rangefinders, there isn't another option. that shutterless pixie thing looks like shit. and the voigtlander lenses are actually really good. the 35mm f/2.5 is BAD ASS. it's smaller than any leica lens, good character, sharp when it needs to be, produces nice sun stars. i think they could charge more for these and people would still want them. >Leica CL crop sensor camera with no rangefinder. would be better off with a fuji x-e3 or something. >X-Pro with an M mount adapter yea i do this as my backup kit and i like it a lot. at least you have an OVF. i don't enjoy using an EVF. >>4256053>Literally bought the m8 to flip yea this is the way, whether you liked the camera or not. >The whole Leica reliable thing is hilariousthe film cameras were probably reliable, but the digital cameras with electronics in them are not. the electronic components die and cannot be repaired after they stop being made. >>4256079some of the voigtlander outperforms some of the leica, yes.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Camera SoftwareGoogleImage-Specific Properties:
>>4256188I was about to writeThe new poopra is a BMW
>>4256567>they don't want to deal with testing and guaranteeing it.my experience buying old cameras is that they usually need to be taken apart and lubricated, have light seals replaced etc. they would need a camera wizard to appraise gear that was brought in.
>>4256188>They don't though lmaothey do though lmaotoyota holds #1 in reliability EVERY SINGLE YEAR, since 2004 aka. for almost 20 fucking years in a row now - and going strong. my dad bought a toyota yaris for my mom back in 2001. that fucking car was never serviced, literally nothing on it broke ever. i got the car as my first car in 2014 and now it has 450,000+ km and i havent changed anything but oil, tires, brakes and air filters ever since I got it. the biggest issue we had with that car was passenger airbag light popping up on the dash and it turned out it lit up only because the wire got disconnected somewhow. that was literally THE ONLY and the biggest problem we had with that car since 2001. the car was NEVER serviced, EVER, for ANYHTING, since 2001, nothing but oil changes etc. i also know a shit ton of people who drive toyotas and they all say the same thing. im only now considering buying a new car and my new car will also be a toyota, highly likely the new RAV4... cant say the same for my friends who drive bmws, audis, fords, mercedes and so on. speaking of RAV4, my boss bought his daughter the new RAV4 last year, she put the wrong fuel in it and drove the car like that for almost 20 minutes before the car gave up on life. they took it to the shop, they cleaned the whole system and i shit you not, literally nothing was damaged, not a single thing got damaged in the process. meanwhile other cars would blow 87 valves, 4647 pipes, 432 gaskets and 4758 other parts, ESPECIALLY BMW and other premium manufacturer cars.toyota, lexus, vw and honda have always been known for reliability - especially toyota and lexus (lexus is owned by toyota btw.)
>>4256717>the film cameras were probably reliablenah, they were the canon of there era. Hell just go to any forum of film photography and search for leica you will find countless posts about people sending their leicas for repairs lmao.
>>4256811the leica bodies and lenses from all eras are generally still working perfectly. they're precision mechanical devices so they do need lubrication and adjustment, like every other camera. but people want to send them to germany instead of a regular camera shop and that's why it takes so long.
>>4256410the old canon cameras are easily some of the best values ever
>>4255932the 25mm skopar is epic on that body. id have done the same or 21mm. you nutsmouth
all of you talk too much
>>4256831What causes you to put the skopar on instead of the summilux? bought a lens i've been wanting to try for a long time today.
>>4256915i haven't removed the summilux from this camera since buying it. the skopar is glued to a different body. both lenses are beyond perfect and very fun to use
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>>4257063very nice patrick bateman sweating .gif
each day i creep an inch closer to selling 90% out of fuji and getting a leica
>>4257184What's the 10% you keep around?
i had pretty bad autistic gear lust until i finally bought the leica and the lens i wanted. it actually solved it. i really don't care about gear anymore.
Got a black M6 for $3500AUD, Voigtlander lens for $700AUD. Too poor for a summilux, but not poor enough to pay the red dot tax. It's not like I'm going to loose money on it, and if I like shooting it more than my F2 then its worth the money to me.
>>4257303probably xt3, xf 90mm, xf 27mm wr since they cover the blind spots of an M pretty well
>>4257332you could trade the xf 90mm for this one. there are plenty of good m mount 28mm lenses that could stand in for the 27mm, not necessarily made by leica. the flange distance for m mount is very close to fx so its pretty compact and clean looking.
>>4257332when i travel i carry the leica and x-pro3, and have manual lenses glued to them which have an equivalent focal length. i shoot the fuji in exactly the same way as i shoot the leica, range-focusing and standing at the same distance, framing with the OVF. i get the same shots with both. using something like the sony a7c as the backup would probably make more sense as the two cameras would both be full frame... thus easier to share lenses... but sony doesn't make a camera with physical dials and an OVF.
>>4257661fuji xf lenses, so crop. format. 135 equiv is longer than i thnk i want to focus via rf. both are weather sealed and very quick to focus. xt3 is also better on a tripod and the tilt screen lets you shoot in weird positions. plus i hear it shoots nice video, tho i doubt i'll use that. >>4257662i don't want to have two cameras that do the same thing though. rather than a backup, i'd want diversity in applications between systems. in any case, i'm at least a year out from jumping into a new system since i already have a lot of stuff to put through its paces
>>4257667>i don't want to have two cameras that do the same thing though. rather than a backup, i'd want diversity in applications between systems.This is why I sold my xpro3. It basically did the same thing my Voigtlander m cameras do in the same size package. Sold the xpro and now rock a griiix for digital. Film rf + pocket digi p&s for snapshitting/low light is really great.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeGoogleCamera ModelPixel 6aCamera SoftwareHDR+ 1.0.540104767zdMaximum Lens Aperturef/1.7Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaFocal Length (35mm Equiv)27 mmImage-Specific Properties:Image Width3024Image Height4032Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiImage Created2023:11:21 17:45:50Exposure Time12507/500000 secF-Numberf/1.7Exposure ProgramNormal ProgramISO Speed Rating2562Lens Aperturef/1.7Brightness-2.8 EVExposure Bias0 EVSubject Distance0.17 mMetering ModeCenter Weighted AverageFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length4.38 mmColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width3024Image Height4032RenderingCustomExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormalSubject Distance RangeMacro
>>4256048Zorki 2(?) How are the curtains on that thing?
>>4257724that voigtlacron is sexy
I make like 350k total comp in tech. Just bought an m11 and 50 summilux recently. Looking to get a 35 lux soon too.
>>4257948neat, got any pictures to share from it?
>>4257726The lens is actually the summitar but I just sold it.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeGoogleCamera ModelPixel 6aCamera SoftwareSnapseed 2.0Maximum Lens Aperturef/1.7Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaFocal Length (35mm Equiv)27 mmImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiImage Created2023:11:08 19:54:05Exposure Time12507/250000 secF-Numberf/1.7Exposure ProgramNormal ProgramISO Speed Rating1005Lens Aperturef/1.7Brightness-2.4 EVExposure Bias0 EVSubject Distance0.57 mMetering ModeCenter Weighted AverageFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length4.38 mmColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width2000Image Height1021RenderingCustomExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoDigital Zoom Ratio1.5Scene Capture TypeStandardContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormalSubject Distance RangeMacro
>>4251651I bought an S2. It was amazing, and anon, leicas only go up in value so theyre a good investment! Fml that thing was worth $5k in like 3 years. Could have bought a decent car with the depreciation i ate on that giant brick. Couldnt take it anywhere, & never used it for anything notable. I could delete all my shoots with it and not even miss anything. Replaced it with a Nikon FA and shot lo-fi 35mm with fucking glee.
>>4251651I know people making 50k that bought trucks costing north of 100k, so for a 15k camera that works out to minimum wage?
>>4258082Those are hicks, anon.
>>4258090No, they live in the suburbs and work office jobs. Real hicks drive a frankensteined 1982 ford f150 with four different colored body panels and a bed made of wood.
>>4258091Ah, true. the differences between urban hicks, small town hicks and rural hicks. And ne’er the twain shall meet, too lol
>>4258091I know some wealthy hicks who live nowhere near the suburbs. Farmers, construction company owners, an underwater welder, some specialized engineers who fly out to the rigs, and even a logger with a house bigger than most anything you'd find in the city. Real hicks that hunt and grow food can still have money.
Here's my g2 with it's 90mm 2,8 from today.Tried some 90mm shots. Got the 45/28mm aswell.Bought it in mint condition 9 years ago body & 45mm lens for 450europoors.Had to send in for repair this summer, one of the gears was worn off so they replaced that + minor fixes.It's the best camera i ever used. My digi setup is the xpro2 35/18mm lenses.I wish i could use the ovf more but the parallex totally annoys me so EVF only...I never touched a leica m in my life...but it makes me really curious..not that i'd ever switch from contax though...[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Image-Specific Properties:Image Width1080Image Height1920Image Created2023:11:27 11:58:01White BalanceManualFocal Length4.25 mmExposure Time49/5000 secISO Speed Rating50F-Numberf/1.8
>>4258110one major problem i'd have with the fuji xpro2 & 18mm for zone focusing street photographyis that the focusing ring is too soft and keeps changing when hung on my neck and randomly rubs on my jacket or something....i should use a tape to fix the focus so i can just snap shit around digitally....
>>4258110Leicas are a meme but man, viewfinders can be SO much better than the tiny peephole of the contax and xpro
>>4258130The contax g VF was weird at the beginning desubut the performance of the camera, the fast electronics, AF, film windingthe ergonomics etc just made me love the camera and get used to the VF very quickly.i use the contax ax slr too and have a nice VF, or the big waist level VFof the flex also fuji ga 645the contax g VF doesn't bother me at all.but true...i want to try out a leica m VF once....never held one in my hands lol
>>4258110pro2 finder definitely feels a bit more tunnel vision than my 0.73x M, but i hardly notice a difference compared to a pro3the parallax is a non-issue with enough practicei think the pros are best suited for af though, even if they do offer more flexibility / precision than an m
>>4258110This is what I would have gotten, but decided to go for the M6 >>>>> had the T2 and its autofocus was dogshit, heard that the G2 is no better, on top of that the electronics could die any moment, while the M6 is eternal, maybe one day when I will have more income to splurge I get the G2 with 40mm Planar, the results are amazing
>>4258440>electronics could die any momentThis have been said since i can remember as if it's a ticking bomb that could explode any time lol...The AF is actually very fast and accurate except on the 90mm lens, you have to double check the indicator in the VF but with the 45 and 28mm lens it nails it all the time + it can use IR to focus correctly.I had the t2 and sold it but kept the tvs instead.Tvs has a kino VF with a slight greenish cast and dark frames outside the frame, panorama, zoom, customizable to leave the film leader outside when winding back. I just got used to the g2 and unlike the xpro2 and other cameras, it always feels so perfect holding it, never gets bored. I assume it's the same with leica m...the body, the compact lenses..
>compact lensesMakes me wonder why lenses these days are so fucking big and it always makes you think that there's empty spaces inside the lens...If you hold the 45planar for example it feels rock solid and it's small as it can be
>>4258442Autofocus, OIS, and they use like 20 lens elements to correct for every little bit of error that causes a lack of sharpness, so you end up with flat rendering. Why spend r&d fixing the vignette on the lens when you can make the fix in software
Alot of armchair talking in here about economies but in my opinion it's just a clout item. Yes they have a history and everything but the only real thing that matters is the glass. The body could be anything and many photographers have already proved that.if public perception is pushing you to buy it I urge otherwise.. you don't need to be told what to buy. But if you actually shoot alot and just want a cool piece and have the money, by all means. It's literally a crotch rocket of the camera world.Public perception>practicality
>>4258441What ACTUALLY dies is somerandom small mechanical part that interfaces with the electronics. Yours truly, the owner of an om2n with a mirror that occasionally locks up with fresh batteries in manual mode.
>>4258582>the only real thing that matters is the glassif you only care about the image in the end, then you don't need to be buying a rangefinder camera. the appeal is in the process, that's all.
I made 300k this year and bought a brand new M11 and 35 summilux.It has already come with me on several jobs and is well on its way to paying itself off in a year or so. It's my favorite digital camera by far.
>bringing a camera with no auto focus on a jobAsk me how I know you have no job (at least not a photography one).
>>4259488>all photography jobs require AFlol, why pretend you're an insider?
>>4259501he probably thinks that wedding photos are art lmao
>>4259488Autofocus is absolutely not a requirement for a majority of my commercial work.
>h-hold on, l-let me use my range finder to manually focus the kingfisher grabbing t-that f-f-fish... >FUCK I missed it
>>4259517Anon said on a job not on a wildlife shoot (the vast majority of which are amateur)Enjoy your mirrorless ewaste focusing on an invisible hamster instead of the bird btw
>>4259517>he doesn't know what hyperfocal distance isyeah bud just keep taking a gorillon photos a second, I am sure that one is bound to be good
>>4259485neat, post some pictures!
>>4259519>mirrorless badYour photos are bad (all 9 of them)
>>4259584received and noted, ANON
Rangefinders = goodMirrorless = goodD/SLRs = crutch for the blind
>>4259599>a brand new useless trip with no photos>thinks dslrs are easier to focus with than mirrorlessYour very first post is retarded, well done
>>4259601Yes? we are talking manual focus here, try that with your shapeless blob of a DSLR.
>>4259603You don't know what crutch means? Kek.
>>4257953All my pics are all family photos and portraits, mostly my kids which I'm not going to share on 4chan lol, but they really are incredible.It's also amazing I can fit this camera and my m6 with a lens in a tiny 6L peak design bag. Would be impossible with two a7rIVs with 1.4 lenses.
>>4257953But just for fun I did take some photos with the 50 lux on my nikon z6 and the colors sooc were just crazy.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeNIKON CORPORATIONCamera ModelNIKON Z 6_2Camera SoftwareVer.01.21Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaColor Filter Array Pattern1084Focal Length (35mm Equiv)35 mmImage-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution300 dpiVertical Resolution300 dpiImage Created2023:10:13 11:34:12Exposure Time1/2500 secF-Numberf/1.8Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating100Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo FlashFocal Length35.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width2855Image Height2859RenderingCustomExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlNoneContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormalSubject Distance RangeUnknown
>>4259623Here's another one, also 50 lux on the nikon z6ii. I'm convinced it's really the glass that makes the leica image. People who put a voigtlander or some 7 chinks lens on their m10 are completely missing the point.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeNIKON CORPORATIONCamera ModelNIKON Z 6_2Camera SoftwareVer.01.21Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaColor Filter Array Pattern1084Focal Length (35mm Equiv)35 mmImage-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution300 dpiVertical Resolution300 dpiImage Created2023:10:13 11:36:37Exposure Time1/8000 secF-Numberf/1.8Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating100Exposure Bias-3.3 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo FlashFocal Length35.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width1838Image Height2627RenderingCustomExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlNoneContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormalSubject Distance RangeUnknown
>>4259624>>4259623Are you being serious right now m8
>>425957150 mm voigtlander f2[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeLeica Camera AGCamera ModelLEICA M11Camera SoftwareCapture One MacintoshMaximum Lens Aperturef/1.4Image-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution300 dpiVertical Resolution300 dpiImage Created2023:10:20 04:14:10Exposure Time1/320 secF-Numberf/6.8Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating64Lens Aperturef/6.8Exposure Bias-0.3 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo FlashFocal Length35.00 mmImage Width3000Image Height1992RenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessSoftUnique Image ID0000000000568A6256EBD3703FAA0982
>>4259634[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeLeica Camera AGCamera ModelLEICA M11Camera SoftwareCapture One MacintoshMaximum Lens Aperturef/2.8Image-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution300 dpiVertical Resolution300 dpiImage Created2023:11:19 15:59:09Exposure Time1/360 secF-Numberf/11.0Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating80Lens Aperturef/11.0Exposure Bias-1 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo FlashFocal Length21.00 mmImage Width3000Image Height1992RenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessSoftUnique Image ID0000000000568A62651A6DCA4DD5926B
>>4259638[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeLeica Camera AGCamera ModelLEICA M11Camera SoftwareCapture One MacintoshMaximum Lens Aperturef/2.8Image-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution300 dpiVertical Resolution300 dpiImage Created2023:10:10 16:06:25Exposure Time1/320 secF-Numberf/4.0Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating125Lens Aperturef/4.0Exposure Bias-0.3 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo FlashFocal Length21.00 mmImage Width3000Image Height1992RenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessSoftUnique Image ID0000000000568A6256C544B46CDFC8FA
>>4259639[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeLeica Camera AGCamera ModelLEICA M11Camera SoftwareCapture One MacintoshMaximum Lens Aperturef/1.4Image-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution300 dpiVertical Resolution300 dpiImage Created2023:11:02 12:35:57Exposure Time1/320 secF-Numberf/5.6Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating64Lens Aperturef/5.6Exposure Bias-0.7 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo FlashFocal Length35.00 mmImage Width3000Image Height1992RenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessSoftUnique Image ID0000000000568A624AF63E6571C8106C
>>4259634>>4259638>>4259639>>4259643>poverty and seascapessuch is the shallow mind of a three hundred thousandaire.
>>4259663And what do you as a pretentious chinese image board poster believe to be better subjects for photography? French riots in the streets? Wartime in Ukraine? Or just an artsy dick pic?
>>4259668If I made $300,000 a year, I would document it beyond gawky poverty porn. Let me see that privileged lifestyle, bb.
I bought an M9 and used it for a year and then sold it for the same amount I bought it for. and then I bought a different leica m camera. what is this thread about exactly
>>4259671What you don’t realize is that it’s not actually that much when you save most of it. Sure I don’t worry about money but it’s not lifestyle changing money. It’s not enough to afford flying first class or having a larger house or having a private driver. I feel like it lets you larp as a rich person with the leica and taking uber and blowing $300 at a restaurant occasionally. You kind of get a taste of what it could be like to be rich but I’m not gonna live paycheck to paycheck so i can pretend to be wealthy.
>>4259663>>4259671>shallow mind>wants to see pictures of rolexes and sports cars
>>4259778Nigga if i made that i would live like an absolute hermit for 3 years and save every fucking dime i had left after taxes and then live normally until i inevitably lose the job.
>>4259811Yeah that’s the plan. But an occasional 10k purchase is fine. I don’t have any debt besides the mortgage which has an amazing fixed rate. Once I have over a mil I’ll probably put all of it in a treasury ladder making me a little over 5% which is a 50k salary and coast in my job until I get laid off lol. Then I’ll become a stay at home father while my wife goes to work.
>>4259779Not what I said, you homunculus.
>>4259527That isn't a viable method for wildlife-tier apertures and focal lengths, is it?
I only bought a Leica because I learned they'd change the leather color to whatever you want.I wish other companies allowed customization like this.
Leica Q2's are perfection for casual photography and they don't cost all that much desu.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeLEICA CAMERA AGCamera ModelLEICA Q2 MONOCamera SoftwareCapture One 15 MacintoshMaximum Lens Aperturef/1.7Focal Length (35mm Equiv)28 mmImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution300 dpiVertical Resolution300 dpiExposure Time1/2000 secF-Numberf/11.0Exposure ProgramShutter PriorityISO Speed Rating1600Lens Aperturef/11.0Exposure Bias-0.6 EVMetering ModeOtherLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length28.00 mmImage Width1080Image Height721RenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoScene Capture TypeStandardContrastNormalSharpnessNormal
>>4259889It is because of the distance to subject>>4260031They suffer from the same ill as the X100 series: a wide fixed prime lens. Might as well use a disposable camera.
>>4260035how did you get past my block you no talent ass
>>4260042 Maybe blocking isn't one of your talents
>>4251651It doesn't ever make sense. They're made by panasonic under license. If you want a leica, just get a panasonic, it basically just as good.
>>4260111Not the M series
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>>4260184The M series uses a panasonic sensor.Don't tell anyone, though.
>>4260031>casuallike your mom
>>4260267Panasonic doesn’t make a sensor. They used to use tower jazz or something pre m10r which is a dutch company I believe but the latest is probably sony.
a new colleague went on a seven hour drive to go pick up an m9 last week. He cant take pictures for shit and intends to use it for texture work. He didn't realize and I didn't tell him either, but he could have easily gotten our employer to pay for it with that reasoning and he would have kept it too, because they keep no record of this stuff. A leica and a lense is a one time expense that is less than a shitty, but functional car. Who can afford a bad car? Its the same question, at least in european cities where you dont need a car for anything.
>>4258441Fuck man I am trying not to spend money on gear anymore
>>4256407CHAIKA IS OK FOR PHOTO TAKING. VERY BASIC CAMERA FITS IN POCKET EVEN IF FOR HALF FRAME PHOTOS IS VERY GOOD. IS MADE BY BELOMO AND NAME FOR CALL SIGN OF FIRST WOMAN IN SPACE VALENTINA TERESHKOVA. ONLY THING FED AND ZORKI LENSES DO NOT WORK ON IT BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT SPACE BETWEEN LENS MOUNT AND FILM PLANE, ALSO CHAIKA 28 MILLIMETER LENS DOES NOT ADAPT TO DIGITAL AND COVER 36X24 FRAMEIS FULL MECHANICAL OPERATION AND DOES NOT NEEDING OF ELECTRICITY BUTTON FOR FUNCTION OF SHUTTER.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Camera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop CS4 WindowsImage-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiImage Created2012:07:04 16:20:53Color Space InformationUncalibratedImage Width1658Image Height2145