>>4156629
auto ISO in manual mode is a scam and just makes it ISO 400

You probably already own a better camera. Stop cluttering up your home with junk

>>4156629
Used one for years, go for it.

>>4156629
The fact that you can get a much superior 5D Mark III for like 400 bucks should be enough.
5D Mark II is one of the few DSLRs I've used where the "DSLRinosaur" moniker holds. The OVF is its only saving grace.
Also it can't take a shadow push.
Get a 6D instead.

>>4156629
If you're looking for kitschy collectible then sure, go for it if you're willing to pay. for a usable working camera, it's too old desu. can it be done? of course, but i'd just suggest you save your money instead towards something better. and I say that as an owner of a 1d and 1dsii, i'm not anti dinosaurs. but they're fun toys that can take pictures, at this point.

>>4156654
They're the opposite of fun and toys. They're clunky to use with shitty backwards UI. The pictures themselves are great if you know what you're doing, you're not missing out on quality vs a newer camera but you ARE missing on usability.

>>4156656
just because you get filtered by hold and turn doesn't mean we all do, friendo. I have lots of fun taking out my 1dsmii for a laugh. added bonus i could probably club a homeless with it if needed.

>>4156659
>hold and turn
What do you mean?

>>4156660
hold a button and turn the wheel, it's how you operate the menus on the 1d.

>>4156664
Sounds weird as fuck, not even my Elan is like that. But it's probably cool in a weird way, like to adjust ISO or something you let go of the button and are back into shooting outside the menu.

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>>4156666
the 1d is so old (not sure about your elan) that menu based control wasn't a thing so much, it still has a top-lcd for shooting settings like the pro film bodies did. I suppose "menu operation" is a misnomer in this case, camera functions would be more apt. but you're right, you have to hold down the iso button, spin the wheel to where you want, let go and keep shooting. if you spent enough time with it you'd get it down pretty well since it can be adjusted live without needing to look out of the viewfinder. it was well regarded back in the day by people switching from film. but we didn't really know better 22 years ago lol.
>picrel is the control scheme, can you decipher it?

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>>4156656
Canon menus are patrician, they got them right since their first digital models.
Cope and seethe snoytranny

>>4156654
Well I've never had anything better, my last DSLR was the old 5D, had a 40D too. It's been years since I did something with photography.

So I guess I'm not really aware of what I'm missing out on. If you'd like to recommend something FF that I can find for somewhat cheap I'm all ears. I don't have any lenses right now so brand doesn't really matter. I'd want pair it with a 35mm and a 85mm initially.

Is flickr still a thing?

>>4156688
first thing i'd recommend is assess whether you actually need full frame or not. I personally love it but i also admit that apsc does just fine for most people. certainly for most of the stuff we see posted on here. ontop of that, i wouldn't go back from mirrorless for any sort of non-"just fucking around" type shooting, it's just too nice. If you're set on full frame, sticking to mirrorless limits your options for cheap. older snoy bodies would probably be cheap. I had an a7ii myself and while /p/ loves to hate it and call it trash (even the snoyboys), it was perfectly serviceable as a hobby camera. something along those lines. others will post with other suggestions, i'm sure.

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EF mount is dead.
You're investing into a garbage can.
Go spend 3k on a new RF camera and lens instead.

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>>4156699
Well that's how out of touch I am, I didn't even know they had a new mount. Not that I care about being on a dead mount as long as there's glass around.

>>4156697
Full frame is usually cheaper in the long run especially if you buy used or lower end cameras. APS-C isn't the "lesser, cheaper" option except in the eyes of people that only buy brand new flagships. It's actually the video focused and action cam option (super 35). If you don't really need an action/video cam you're just spending the same amount of money you could on full frame and getting near equal amounts of bulk.
>inb4 some retard says but my 40mp fuji/30mp canon must have reach
Go to dpreview and pixelpeep or try it yourself, your extra megapixels just turn blurry details into smudges because they're way past what a lens can cram onto such a small rectangle.

Full frame can also be a lot funner. You can crank the ISO higher without an iphone X embarrassing you. Cropping produces some very decent images compared to crop sensors, where quality drops off fast when cropping no matter how many megapickels you have. You can use old lenses exactly how they were intended to be used (they are less sharp but it's less noticeable on the larger "film" they were designed for).

The lesser, cheaper option WAS micro four thirds but now it's point and shoots and phones again because panalympus was overcome with delusions about professional birding and promptly died, with olympus selling out and panasonic going full frame.

>>4156682
I was missing exposure correction for Auto-ISO on manual a very long time, then also found the restriction of Auto-ISO fixed to 400 with a firing flash. I still love my 6D for what it is and offers, I would buy this as a starter, would shoot ut way less igmf there wasn't Magic Lantern. The most recent DSLR are worth every penny, and the paradigm shift of camera operation would draw me to get used to the new, that is mirrorless. I hate to say this, as I for myself often pick DSLR over EVIL.

>>4156704
>I still love my 6D for what it is and offers, I would buy this as a starter, would shoot ut way less igmf there wasn't Magic Lantern.
Was phoneposting and too careless to double check.
I still love my 6D for what it is and offers, though, I wouldn't buy this as a starter, would shoot it even way less if there wasn't Magic Lantern.

>>4156682
Canon has two good things that make them superior to every other DSLR and it's the EF mount and magic lantern (up to 5D3).
I have a love-hate relationship with the brand.
Nikon would be best if not for the stupid mount and shitty codecs, best ergos too.

>>4156702
there are anons on /p/ getting sony A7RIII, A7RIV, A7III, etc bodies for under $1000

these are the real street prices, not the japanese ebay seller prices. older DSLRs are much cheaper than ebay would imply. if you buy more locally you can get something like a barely used nikon D800 for $300. full frame absolutely is cheaper if you're not too pussy to buy used. lenses are more expensive if you insist on buying first party and zero vintage but why the fuck would you do that?

>>4156629
honestly, it's kind of a ripoff. i would pay $150. that's just an ebay price, the seller is getting $50 less, and canon cameras perform like shit for a lot of hobby photography (low light handheld). they're something for a strobe firing tripod using professional portrait fag. and it shows in the ergonomics, they were meant to spend a lot of time on a tripod, or with a huge professional zoom lens at an NFL game.
>DSLRs in general did
>they were pro-exclusive
>people used to pay $5000 for 12mp
>its crazy

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>>4156629
If you don't need video, the D700 is the same price and has anothed stop of DR and way better low light performance.

>>4156720
They are kinda sexy.

>>4156720
It also has better colors like everything Nikon.
Shame about the live view being like entering a cheat code.
Honestly OP should stop being such a cheapskate and get a 5D3. I could sell him mine and get one with less clicks. jk

>>4156722
You're a little too eager letting others play with your canon.

>>4156722
I almost never use the live view and only use OVF, but then again some people buy $1500 fuji bodies to pretend the same.

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>>4156722
> better colors
It tends to oversaturate greens I think, but it makes for some decent street snapshits

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Is €350 for a Sony A7r a good deal? It has 42000 shots on it, not sure that even means anything for mirrorless.

>>4156739
If all you care about is the sensor, yes it's a good deal if you can bear using a camera that makes you want to commit suicide each time you set out to take a photo with it.
Shutter matters because it has the same type of shutter as DSLRs do, there's no mirror but the shutter curtains are there.

>>4156741
Alright so you're saying the controls are shit?

>>4156743
The controls, the autofocus, the EVF lag, ergonomics, battery life, etc.
At least you get no PDAF artifacts because it has no phase detection at all, but its contrast detection is garbage and is slow compared even to MFT cameras.
There's a reason it costs so much less than a D810 despite the same sensor. Mirrorless was sold to the plebs as some advancement but it's only an advancement in terms of savings for the manufacturer.

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>>4156701
Yeah I'll sell you my old junk, its going to be worthless tomorrow anyway.

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>>4156699
I loled at your shot first but it feels like an easter egg zooming the view onto the center.

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Buy a D800 for a few more dollarydoos and get 36mp and the ability to push shadows without banding like a bowl of Froot Loops.

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Who's good at lens spotting? Is this a 70/200 with or without IS?

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>>4156763
I was just messing with autofocus, there are ~300 shots in that hour.

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>>4156783

IS

>>4156789
thanks

>>4156755
>its going to be worthless
so you're saying I could be picking up f1.2's for pennies? nice

>>4156783
>clearly has IS switch.
>is this IS
bro?

Ah fuck. I've got a rebel and several canon ef (28, 50, 35-70, 18-55) lenses so I was looking at the 5Dii as well to get the true focal lengths and essentially double the utility of these lenses. But after reading this thread I'm more tempted than ever to just get a d800 and start again in the nikon ecosystem.

What do I do /p/? I'm not made of money

>>4157897
5D2 vs D800? What kind of question is that? D800 of course.
Also 18-55 is EF-S, won't work on full frame.
EF has something Nikon F doesn't: you can adapt almost any SLR lens to it without a corrective lens for infinity focus. But 5D2 is a sad camera to get, garbage reach compared to the D800. The only Canon that compares favorably is the 5Ds/5DsR

>>4157897

I had a d800 it’s slow as fuck, I would very often hit its buffer and have to stand holding a brick for 30 seconds until it stops writing to the card.
36mp is a massive pain if you crop in camera too, it takes longer to offload pics and longer to edit and just feels clunky.
24mp is a far more pleasant shooting experience and I have absolutely never missed being able to crop more into the image as I specifically frame my shots in camera.

I guess it depends what you shoot but for anything other than landscapes d800 isn’t that great.

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>>4157923

One exposure, one motive, not spray and pray.

I've never hit the frame buffer on my D800 and I've shot everything on it. git gud m80

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>>4157920
>What kind of question is that?
It kind of makes sense when you consider the price difference and sunk cost regarding lenses. A d800 would already be a couple hundred more, and getting lenses would be another cost I wouldn't have with canon. Sucks the 18-55 is EF-S I guess, but it's my least favorite lens and I don't use it much anyway.

>>4157923
> I guess it depends what you shoot but for anything other than landscapes d800 isn’t that great.

I don't shoot action-y stuff much and don't see myself using continuous shutter often, if that's what caused the buffer jam? I wonder if they fixed that with the d810, but the d810 is getting into why-not-just-buy-something-modern territory at that price.

Honestly, I like to shoot candids of friends or people at places I happen to be. Which 99% of the time is pretty poorly lit. Mostly my friends dingy houses and sometimes DIY venues. So I guess my main goal with photography right now is to get better at operating in low light and gear my setup towards that. I'm not totally sure if the d800 is the best candidate for that. I was originally not even considering cameras in the d800 price range until I started reading about it the other day.

>>4157929
Following up on low light though, I did get the impression that Nikon may have a higher variety of affordable lenses at extremely low apertures out there than canon, which is another plus

>>4157927
>hurr one exposure
With action you have gone from artist to gambler.
>Another take please?
>Denied.
Inb4 if you work outside a studio you’re not a photographer

>>4156989
>clearly already been posted
>still posts

>>4157929

The extra time in editing made me buy a diff camera to the d800.
The buffer was machine gunning on movement or emotes or taking like a run of 50 shots close together capturing a moment or whatever, d800 is not good if you want to shoot this stuff. I also shoot film cameras so I know you don’t need to machine gun. But also machine gunning is precisely a benefit digital brings that film can’t do, it’s the superior way to get movement and action shots.

I honestly don’t think it’s the camera if you are mainly shooting people, you are better with something that shoots faster and you can edit the images faster.

what's the brand to pick up where you can collect old glass with working AF, Pentax?

>>4156629
It's worthy to collect FF oriental cameras.

>>4156739
the af of sonies befoee the a7 iii range suck. good af
a7r iii
a7s iii
a7 iii

again, iirc. double check review comparisons my dear wigger

bit the 5d ii is more rugged than any sony ever made, including the a1

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>>4156629
This will give you more nerd points, is more durable, and has a higher value when re-selling

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>>4156629
>You have 1 minute to stop me
>>4156632
>first reply is 4 mins later
lol are you new to /p/ or something?

>>4157951
What does 'suck' mean?

I don't need more than one AF point ti focus and recompose with

>>4157951
The 5d ii is also clunky dated trash compared to any mirrorless and the only reason it’s more rugged theoretically is because IBIS can’t break if it’s not there.

>>4158005
the price is different too, which could be a reason to buy dated 'trash'

>>4157951
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-VDIEpGZ1c
i really doubt a 5dmkii would survive this. best case scenario is the battery can get colder without the camera dying because no ibis/evf drains less power.
>$250 camera from decades ago is better made than $3000 modern camera
[x] major doubt

>>4156629
look for a deal on a D800/D810 if you want to pixel peep, or a slightly older olympus/panasonic mirrorless if you value quality of life over image quality

>>4156629
still no 5dii pics?

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>>4157932

So what you're telling me is you're not skilled enough as a photographer to know you got the shot the first time.

If you have to spray the frame buffer on anything that isn't moving at a modicum of speed, you are not a photographer you are a GWC.

These cars were doing 90mph into Turn 4 at Daytona which is well over a "modicum of speed" and I nailed them on a Df with an old school 105/2.5 manual focus Ai lens without a monopod. I was pretty drunk too from walking the infield all night and hopping the makeshift bars people set up at their campsites. If memory serves me correct the Df is capable of 4fps. You don't need better gear, you need practice.

My suggestion, spend a day chasing freight trains and learn to pan the wheels on them. Find a busy highway and pan some cars. Skill can always negate gear, but gear can't negate skill.

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>>4158027
I'm skilled as a photographer, not a marksman. I'm not talking about shooting cars and trains, which are moving but unchanging and predictable. I'm talking about things that are rapidly moving, changing, and unpredictable, like animals and sports players. If some cunt wants a picture of her dog or cat in a specific pose it is nearly impossible to do that in one take without a decent amount of speed and an appreciable buffer. Even if you have the time set aside to try again animals don't always cooperate. If you want people in action and it's all about the pose, not just getting any photo of them moving, it gets much harder.

it gets easier when you want "a picture of a bird doing something, anything".

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>>4158027

This shot was taken seconds before >>4158027 on the same equipment. You need practice, that's okay, photography is a learning experience and a skill you develop over time. Get out there and shoot!

That being said, D800 is a fine camera if you aren't exclusively shooting sports. 36mp gives me a lot of real estate for cropping and right now they are fairly affordable. I paid 800 for mine which is a little over market but it was from a Mom and Pop Camera Shop and it had verified 14k actuations.

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>>4157929
I assumed you were getting them for the same money. You can probably get the 5D3 for less than the D800 and it's better than the 5D2 in almost every possible way.

let's face it lads, all we do here is take bokehlicious shots of rainbow droplets sitting on a shiny surface.

>>4158030
>iso 3200
fucking Nikon, lol

>>4158030
It's also still a car. Cars don't have totally random facial expressions or flail their limbs around. It can move impossibly fast and if you can pan it, it will look the same at any moment in time.

Who the fuck goes to nascar races anyways? Worlds trashiest and most boring "sport". Maybe shoot a motorcycle race. Slightly less boring but still trashy. Things get more interesting and varied there so you'll want the bursts and C-AF not to get just any shot, but to get a shot you weren't expecting.

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>>4158029

Wild animals? How about dude on a trike hauling a drunk in Austin TX on a Zorki-2c and 50/1.5 Jupiter-3 and probably Tri-X 400

Or as my friend Ivan Chesnokov would say "SHOOT 5CM LENS. LEARN HOW SUBJECT MOVE IN AND OUT OF FRAME. LEARN TO ANTICIPATE SUBJECT BEFOREHANDS. ZORKI AND FED IS FINE YOU DON'T NEED IMPERIALIST CANNON OR NIKON TO TAKE 13FPS OF CAT ON LAZEEE-BOY SOFA. GO AND TAKE PICTURES LIKE GREAT SOVIET MAN"

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>>4158046
That's a guy on a bicycle who saw the camera

I'm talking about some cunt who wants a picture of her dog shaking its head where the ears are pointing different directions. How many times is the dog going to shake its head for you to get that shot?

Once, but thankfully you bought a $500 micro four thirds camera and can shoot at 30fps with focus locked instead of a fool frame dad camera.

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>>4158042

NASCAR? That was Rolex 24 in Daytona where they actually turn right and race in the rain unlike NASCAR who is a bunch of prima donna pussies. NASCAR is as bad as FIA these days, which ironically is the same governing body for Rolex, Le Mans, Spa, Monza, etc. but at least they have the balls to race in the rain.

Random facial expressions? Nikon FA and 50 1.2 on Superia 400. You need skills, not gear.

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>>4158050

If you need a D6 for some random cunts dog pictures and random facial expressions you are not a photographer you're a gearfag.

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>>4158050
>Once, but thankfully you bought a $500 micro four thirds camera and can shoot at 30fps with focus locked instead of a fool frame dad camera.
lol just use your iPhone

>>4158042
>NASCAR seething
Let's go Brandon!

>>4158051
>Random facial expressions
Yes, good ones, not that. Mixed with live sports. Not an old lady standing still talking. Not just good ones, but a specific one you want, like a grimace during a tackle. This is the point where you're talking about photography as a sport rather than an art - the point where reflexes and speed become dominant over creative vision. The attitude of someone that still drives stick even though CVTs are faster, smoother, and more efficient because it gives them the illusion of having a skill.

I believe gear is invaluable in keeping photography art instead of a shutter pressing contest.

>>4158054
Photography is staging and lighting the scene as much as you possibly can and editing the photo. Focus pulling and shutter timing are not photography, they are gear, and they should be automated whenever possible. Those are mook jobs for technicians, not artists.

Rather than make photography about having faster reaction times and luck, make it about what it really is about: light and composition. Let the camera handle the rest. One take one keeper every take. No accepting close enough.

>>4158055
>admits that phones are better than fool frame

>doing a time lapse video art project
>need a guy to make every expression between neutral and raging mad and make it look natural
>can't afford a "real actor" who can make it look perfect doing it slowly or in multiple takes
>can afford a $250 digital camera
>haha 10fps go brrr
>finish the whole thing in one take, looks perfect
>BUT ITS NOT FULL FRAME NOOOOO
>no one notices that it wasnt full frame
machines only replace machine-like people, not creativity :^)

>>4158036
you are understating it.

the 5d and 5dii have slightly better than film era af. 9 points vs film eos 1N's 5 spread (vs thr eos 1) point af.

The 1d, 1ds, 1dii, 1diis, and the film EOS 1V have 45 point af

The 5diii was a leap forward for the $3k class digital camera. It had the 1dx's 61 point autofocus (not the same buffer though).

I will collect a 5Dii at some point, but after I get some others. Some love the look.

The 5dii is a worse first camera than the nikon d200, which is crop, but has 11 point af.

>>4158074
i forgot the 1diiN, which is the slightly better 1dii because of more buffer memory.

>>4157963
Am i cool as i have an E-3 with 14-54mm Mark II?

>>4156651
This. The mkii was amazing for its time, but the mkiii was really where it fit into the 2010s dslr landscape

A friend wanted a 5D mark IV for his birthday because of the old glass he invested in. Is the price worth it?

>>4158840
God no. At the prices people are still trying to sell mkiv at, just a little bit more gets you into mirrorless, here in Canada anyways. Those same lenses he’s invested in will work flawlessly even if they’re adapted. If he wants a mirror dslr camera specifically that’s one thing, but if he just wants a camera for his lenses mirrorless is the way to go. Even an old eos R or Rp would be a big step up.

>>4158845
not the anon you were replying to but I pretty much only use my laowa 100m macro on my canon 5d mark 2. what camera would you recommend I upgrade to?

>>4158809
Yes, only thing you miss out on is video

i make money using a 5dmk2 and its literally fine, theres nothing wrong with it. The 1080 is getting old though since clients are requesting 4k more often these days but thats literally the only reason why i upgraded a few weeks ago after using it for 10 years, i still use it for personal stuff

>>4158892
If that’s the only lens you use, why do you feel the need to upgrade your body? It’s manual focus and unlinked to the exposure meter, right? What do you need to do that your current one doesn’t let you do?

>>4159254
honestly I don't know. that's why I'm asking you. to see if I forgot anything. because as far as I can tell, upgrading isn't really a priority. which feels weird

>>4159254
>>4159412
to further add, i guess my concern would be to have more megapixulz or dynamic range or maybe an easier time focusing while doing macro shots. the main thing would just be to have a better digital image. but the 5d mk 2 is still pretty good. it's at least comforting knowing if my current camera shits out, getting a replacement even used won't be super expensive

>>4159413
mirrorless does offer some pretty useful aids for manual focusing, its true, and if you do a lot of that then it might be worth it along with the better DR and newer sensors, sure. It's all diminishing returns though, right? like, your camera is already probably good enough for 90% things, is it worth the coin for an extra 5% or whatever? shit framing device but you get my drift. cause mirrorless canon even used aint super cheap. but that's the only way i'd go for an upgrade there, no point in getting a slightly better DSLR if it's going to be missing the same things.
>inb4 90D bot sniffs new posts on a canon thread

>>4159468
If you shoot something that dated it is unironically inferior to 35mm film

Remember all meme DR and sharpness measurements are done at base ISO and quality drops off fast

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>>4160082
No too shabby.

>>4160082
>>4160083
nice, pawn shop?

>>4160082
>Cashier: JC
It was clearly meant to be.

>>4160082
From a camera store or what?

>>4160088
Yep
>>4160095
Juanita Carlita.

>>4160096
>>4160095
>>4160088
So ami ready to shoot thots now or do I need a battery grip?

>>4160098
>do I need a battery grip
yes, get a grip before any lenses

>>4160147
I have a $50 50mm lens.

>>4160153
sell it to help pay for the grip

>>4160098
>bitches like gripses

>>4160097
Fuxk man I should start visiting pawn shops. Never been to one they’ve always seemed super sketch since they’re always in the worst part of town

>>4160158
yes, yes you should.
if it's a rough area. go right away in the morning.

>>4160160
Is that when the junkies show up to pawn things or why the morning specifically?

>>4160083
Cool. What's the shutter count?

>>4160158
I was at a pawn shop that had a 50mm f1.4 Canon prime + some old Canon APS-C for $40. I would've bought it just for the lens, but the focus ring was totally fucked and wouldn't focus past 5-10 feet. Oh well.

>>4160183
if it's a dangerous area it will be somewhat less dangerous in the morning, that's all.

>>4160184
9218 about 50 of those are mine.

>>4158024
Believe it or not, STILL.

>>4160240
Nice... good find.

>>4156629
for that much you could get a GH4 or A7 ii

>>4160456
hell no

>>4160456
>you could get a GH4 or A7 ii
I like how you assumed OP was gay.

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>>4160147
>>4160155
found a grip on FB marketplace for $25

>>4160370
Doing my first shoot in 2 days.
>mfw I don't know what I' m doing.