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cheap film edition
I love foma and my wallet loves it too
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Cheap film

But who is the cheapest develop+scan service
>inb4 DIY
Fuck doing it with C41 + breakeven point is 2 years from now so I do it when I finally get a macro lens for actual macro
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we love superia

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>>4128222
Any of you post your pictures on lomography? I’m thinking of moving there from instagram since instagram is dogshit
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>>4128261
i dont. i used to check out film stocks and lenses on it but i fucking cant anymore. all the photos are euros being fucking weird. it's like portra triple exposed on a holga of some latvian barn, or black and white leica nudes of some german dentists hot flemish wife. flickr seems superior.
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>>4128227
>But who is the cheapest develop+scan service
Developing C-41 at a local lab and camera scanning at home has been the cheapest for me. I think it's $6 a roll for both and once you get the hang of it scanning goes quickly.

Like you said C-41 development isn't worth it unless you're shooting a ton.
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>>4128272
aside from the one Hawaii lab I found, none of the labs on the east coast offer C-41 anywhere near 6$. Where are you sending your rolls to?

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>>4128271
>s are euros being fucking weird. it's like portra triple exposed on a holga of some latvian barn, or black and white leica nudes of some german dentists hot flemish wife
You make it sound better that it actually is
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I've been an avid Minolta guy for a few years now. Though the weight of my SRT303b is kinda getting to me recently. Also no meter, but that's whatever to be honest.
I'm looking into Olympus as an alternative, love the way their lenses feel.
Is an OM-4 with an Olympus Zuiko 50mm F1.8 a good parallel/substitute for the SRT303b + MC Rokkor 50mm F1.4 I've been daily driving?
Or would I be better off with a Pentax ME Super and a SMC Pentax M 50mm F1.8?

Also, anyone ever use an Olympus Pen/Pen ft? I've seen some pictures taken with the 38mm f1.8 and I quite liked it. Been thinking of getting one.

Main focus is on the camera bodies. The day I care about the pixel peeping in film photography is the day I commit suicide.
>Pic taken on expired mystery ferrania film, in the minolta gear listed above

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>>4128271
All I see is poorly scanned Malaysian street photography (also the weirdly saturated triple exposures in Europe, you're right about that.)
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>>4128222
I hate fomapan, but sometimes that's all they got at my local film shop.
Foma 100 always gives me blacks that are too black.
Foma 400 has so much grain it's not even funny anymore.
>Pic on Foma 100

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>>4128274
That's roughly been the price for local labs at the past two cities I've lived in, in the Southeastern US. Here's the price sheet for my current lab. Turns out it's $6.50 but whatever. The lab is on my way to work so I also save on shipping cost.
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>>4128291
Lucked out on my city. Northern Portugal area.
Developing + Scanning for 6 euros. 5 if you are ok with JPEGs instead of TIFF.
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>>4128255
Nice shot but I think those holes staring at you ruin it a little. Cunts
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>local lab charges 12 bucks for B&W
fuck them
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>>4128261
I use Grainery.app instead of Instagram
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>>4128308
my old lab charged $22 for b&w dev + scans
my new local lab only devs color but I do b&w dev at home now so that's OK
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>>4128291
Cursed with 11$ C-41 but also blessed with 13$ E-6 where I am.

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>>4128313
Holy shit.
Same I do b&w dev and scan at home too. Seen a store near me selling a kit for C41... but man color film is really expensive.
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>>4128317
Walmart had 3pks of Fujifilm Superia 400 for like $23 last summer but now it's listed at >$50
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>>4128222
speaking of cheap film, I picked up several boxes of cheap stock to test, I might as well start bulk loading to save where I can and Freestyle Photo has a good selection of 100' rolls.

to test:
Fomapan 100
Fomapan 400
Arista edu 100
Arista edu 400
Kentmere 100
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>>4128291
>120mm
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>>4128331
pretty sure arista is repackaged fomapan fren, not sure about kentmere pretty sure ilford makes it tho.

>>4128288
what developer did you use I actually like the look, gonna cop some 4x5 sheets
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>>4128308
My local shop charges the same price for colour as b+w dev and scans LOL
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>>4128285
OM is fucked with shutter speed ring placed on the front of the camera. Don't like how they did this.
I would recommend to buy XD11 or X700 if you are looking for a new body. Minolta lenses are great and have good overall condition comparing to more popular brands like canonikon. And this is definitely better than pentaxes IMHO.
>cheap film edition
Not a fan of cheap stocks but if have to choose one, I pick Svema I guess

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>>4128358
>OM is fucked with shutter speed ring placed on the front of the camera. Don't like how they did this.
That's the best feature. It's very ergonomic to change the shutter speed while still looking through the viewfinder.
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>>4128377
>That's the best feature. It's very ergonomic to change the shutter speed while still looking through the viewfinder.
??????
You still can do it with your right hand LOL
>ergonomic
no comments
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>>4128386
The OM system is the correct design. Everyone else just put it where it would be cheapest and easiest to install.
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>>4128387
Okay bro. This is not how UX-design and user expectations works but okay. You should use what fits better to you.
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>>4128389
>Your right hand winds the film and presses the shutter release
>You set everything to do with the photo using your left hand - focus, aperture...
>EXCEPT for shutter speed
>because it's cheaper to put that dial for that up top and to the side, closer to the shutter mechanism
>OM system: fixed.
Yes that is how UX works.

OM = premium, well designed
Everyone else = cutting costs because you fags will buy anything
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>>4128285
I’ve used the Om system and Pentax-
M system.

At the end of the day the Pentax M system is a cheapened version of their previous lenses (K series) and cameras designed to compete directly with the OM system. They are worse than OM lenses and are basically unusable wide open. Pentax 50mm’s are good stopped down. Everything else in that series is not very good.

People complaining about the ring shutter speed need to appreciate that the ME super has a push button system which is absolutely dreadful: the meter is very good however.

I would get the best OM lens you can get in your budget and an OM20.
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>>4128358
It's not just the body that bothers me, on very rare occasions I find the Minolta 50mm hard to focus. The Zuiko 50mm 1.8 is quite good from what I've seen.
I wanted something like the OM-4 because of the meter, I haven't had much luck with Minolta light meters.
>>4128400
Not worried about budget, I've got about 300 euro to spend on gear. Though I don't want to spend it all on just a body.
I've given up on the Pentax ME Super.
Gonna compare the XD11 with the OM-4 to see if it's worth migrating systems over. Probably not.
>>4128392
You've clearly never touched a Minolta camera.
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>>4128339
Gonna ask the lab guy next time I bring film over, they use a develop & scan machine.
If you want, contact me over discord so I don't lose you in the thread.
RitalinDrow#1993
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>>4128402
>I find the Minolta 50mm hard to focus. The Zuiko 50mm 1.8 is quite good from what I've seen.
Because you are compering 1.4 and 1.8 lenses lol
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>>4128285
never used a Pen, but i can garantee you that the OM system is nice to use
havign the shutter ring on the lens mount is weird as first but you get used to it really fast (and it feel like messing with a small cubic MF SLR like those mamiyas)
be careful depending on what model you chose, those are old and can have fuck ups or downsides
>OM1/OM2 : prism oxyding can sometimes shut still the exposure needle
>OM4 : the classic one has a heavy battery drain, the "ti" version correct it
for a first time user the other anon is right, get a OM20 and then you'll upgrade the body, because those small shit can get pricey really quick
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>>4128331
not sure what qualifies as cheap for you but
>no agfa apx 100
>no rollei retro 400s
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>>4128402
To be honest; I think migrating systems is not particularly necessary if you have to re-buy all of your lenses again. I swapped from Pentax M to Nikon F because the lenses were genuinely better.

There’s a guy that shoots both OM and Minolta, Philip Reeve. So it may be useful to compare.

> https://phillipreeve.net/blog/lenses/all-lens-reviews/
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>shot BW film
>didn't shoot a half naked woman smoking a cig and propping her tits out on a 4 post bed next to an open window
>shot 800t
>didn't have to shoot a gas station or theater marquee
I think I won, guys
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>>4128452
Im deleting your instagram account right now
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>>4128452
>tfw never gonna capture the beautiful highlight fall off from natural light going across a womans perky breast on tri x
whats the point anymore
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Now that we are gearfagging. Rec me a 50mm lens on M42 mount that is not stupidly expensive. I have a Yashica DX but it has some haze.
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>>4128539
Takumar.
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>>4128315
How did you get no motion blur on the plane like that?
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>>4128557
Plane was already preparing to land so it wasn't traveling that fast.
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>>4128557
shutter speed slightly faster than molasses
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Do any of you take any precautions when shooting outside during rain or snow? Or just simply forgo it and stay inside for the day?
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Time for hangover vision Hexanon adventures, internal reflections edition.

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>>4128561
I really wanted to take a landscape at the top of a nearby hill once when it was overcast as fuck but sometimes sun would peak through.
Halfway through walking to the spot it started raining again but I just went the rest of the way anyway and took the picture.
Probably wouldn't do it if it was pissing it down but light rain is fine.
Snow seems like a complete non-factor unless you live in the arctic circle or something.
I'd be more worried about condensation in the lens when you go back inside

To actually answer your question, probably the latter unless I was already outside in which case I'd just be careful or put the camera away if it's heavy rain
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>>4128564

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>>4128566

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>>4128567

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>>4128564
>>4128566
>>4128567
>>4128568

Cool colours anon, very fluffy looking. Overcast day? Also what did you shoot this on?
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>>4128567
if there weren't any tire tracks this one would be based
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>>4128571
Shot on Gold with C35 EF. The lens is very bloomy especially at wide apertures, which is what the camera ends up selecting most of the time because of its limited shutter speeds.

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got a roll back today

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>>4128288
You're doing something very wrong to get that much contrast from fomapan 100. Those blown highlights and crushed blacks looks like the result of bad scanning.

Pic related is fomapan 100 pushed to 1600 and I have more Shadow detail than you.

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A few more shits unto the breech

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>>4128601

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>>4128602

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>>4128603

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>>4128604

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>>4128600
based foma 100 pusher
ive only pushed to 800 before, what dev do you use? 1600 looks pretty cool
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>>4128567
>>4128568
absolutely dreamy

>>4128588
cool shot, crop it a little

>>4128593
i see your attempt at framing but it was foiled by a pretty boring subject. you have the right idea, keep shooting

>>4128605
cute and comfy
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>>4128623
thanks for the feedback fren

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i want to stop paying to get my film scanned. what film scanner should i buy? under $300 preferrably.
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>>4128635
Espon v600 or v500 are all below 300 in ebay if you're in the US
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>>4128635
>>4128645
they also hold their value very well so if you wanna sell it you wont lose any money
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>>4128645
>>4128647
ok. the v600 is the one i've been eyeballing. thanks.
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>>4128315
damn theseare some nice colors. what was this scanned on? it doest say in the exif
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>>4128660
I think the lab I sent these to used a Pakon F-135 Plus.

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>>4128222
your favorite film with iso < 100
your favorite film with iso > 800
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>>4128723
i just push foma 100 according to my needs
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>>4128723
I nut my pants when I shoot Velvia 50

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>>4128723
Delta 3200 pulled 6 stops
Fp4 shot through a 2 stop nd pushed 6 stops
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Night photography on film is a meme right

Like how do you expose anything if there's no light outside
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>>4128758
It’s called a tripod.
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Do you guys feel superhypermegaultra inflation of film price? will it ever goes down ?
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>>4128758
Tripod + cable release + the appropriate reciprocity factor if shooting black and white
Yeah it's a meme if it's literally pitch black but you can still do night stuff if the moon is out or you shoot fuel stations or whatever
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>>4128725
why does the grain make everything look bumpy?
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>>4128774
I shoot black and white so it hurts a bit less, only colour roll I've shot was a gold 200 roll last november/december and that was £8 for a 24 exp roll, now it's more like 10 or 12 if you can even find some.
I don't know how some people do it when colour can easily cost >£16 for "budget" stocks or worse if it's something discontinued or just higher quality
I've heard people mention that the price of film is just normalising to what it used to be during peak film days but that seems like bullshit.
Idk if kodak is willingly underproducing or not, maybe they see investing into further production capacity too much of a risk because they worry the current popularity trend will crash?
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>why yes, m'lady, I do use a 1:400 rodinal dilution 4 hour stand dev for my Acros II, can you tell by the contrast?

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>>4128782
how do you keep a consistent temperature for that long?
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>>4128783
wrap it in a cozy little blanket
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>>4128783
sous vide
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>>4128758
Shoot Delta 3200 and at f1.2 like I do
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How the fuck do I open this? Is there some tool that fits into the two holes that I can rotate out?
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>>4128782
minimum quantity of developer is 5 mg.
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>>4128806
dividing compass
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>>4128806
>Is there some tool that fits into the two holes
yes, jewelry callipers that watch/camera repair guys would have had in 1981. this >>4128817 will work just as well.
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My dev recipe:

8mL HC-110 + 10mL Rodinal

Add to make 1L working solution.

16:30mins ~68F

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>>4128723
>cinestill 50d
>cinestill 800t pushed +1
and
>Rollei RPX25
>TriX + 2
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>>4128723
>your favorite film with iso < 100
ilford pan f
>your favorite film with iso > 800
ilford delta 400 pull to 1000 iso
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>>4128781
I remember buying Agfa colour from Poundland 30 rolls at a time for £1 each back in 2016. Would never shoot colour negs at the current prices
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>>4128782
do you like that app?
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>>4128609
Hc110 for two hours with 10s agitation at the 1 hour mark. Can't remember the dilution.

>>4128725
Velvia 50 is sick but that scan needs some serious colour correcting
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>talk a bit with the local retired photographer
>he said his friend gave him a bit of b&w chemistry thats expired
>tell me to drop by next week to gift it to me
I was thinking the lad had like a bottle of rodinal and a bottle of fix
>turn out its full bottles of ilfosol 3, full bottles of fixer, and full bottles of multigrade, and all unsealed
Absolute madman
Bless this man and bless this earth, life is worth living lads

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>>4128813
No it isn't, that's just superstition. I do 3ml of rodinal often no problem.
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>>4128897
I do! it's got timers for each step and a little animated tank that rotates when it's time for agitations. you can customize almost each step or timer as well as your agitation scheme such as for the first 60 seconds and then for 10 seconds each minute. you can set your default film size and parameter settings ex. 35mm and I only do 1 roll at a time so I only need 300ml of each mixture but if the dilution is a little wonky and I get 11.7ml+288.3ml I'll change the final mixture to 310ml and it works out easier

recommend if just for the timers
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>bright edges on the pic

is this a scanning error on the lab's part? everything online tells me this is either scanning or dev error but the other pics don't all have this white vignette effect on them. or did i somehow fuck up? I know for a fact it isnt a light leak in the camera because later rolls I've put thru it didn't have this come up hardly at all
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is it on all the roll or just this one picture ?
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Alright,since my scanner at home doesn't work properly, I'll let a store scan my 3mm b/w film.
What resolution is sufficient enough? They offer the following:
>2,02 MP
>3,4 MP
>8,4 MP
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>>4128953
>3mm
35 mm, sorry
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>>4128952
on different rolls they're on different pics, which made me believe it was scanner error. surely a development issue would fuck most of (if not all of) the roll right?
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>>4128953
>3mm
Microfilm?
I wanna get into miniature formats, where do i start?
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>>4128953
35mm contains about as much detail as a 12 to 24mp digital image. But slightly worse because film never lays perfectly flat.
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>>4128967
>12 to 24mp image
cms 20 ii begs to disagree
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>>4128969
Based.
>reminder there's retards here who think human vision is in the same ballpark as CMS 20 II in terms of resolution
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>>4128962
That's not what microfilm is, microfilm is just film with extremely fine grain. CMS 20 II and Rollei Copex Rapid are both microfilms. 3mm is a subminiature format.
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>>4128831
no argument from me, it looks good. you have sharpness, punchy contrast, and pleasant looking but prominent grain. What made you decide on this dev method?
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>>4128992
Microfilm is also used in small formats to amp up the resolution to make them actually viable, so what is your point, homersexual?
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>>4128831
thanks but how does it differ from just rodinal?
why you choose to add hc110 to the mix?
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>>4128645
flatbed scanning kind of makes me want to an hero tbqh. Only reason I have one and put up with it is because I got an Epson for $20.

Personally I'm considering paying more for one of those pacific image scanners for 35mm. Some of them advance automatically, too.
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>>4128774
>tfw I have a freezer door full of Superia I stocked up on using 40% off coupons
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>>4129132
Scanning in general is enough for me to abandon 35mm entirely. At least with 645 slides I already have a good sized picture in my hand and can enjoy it that way.

One day i'll bother to get a macro lens despite having almost no interest in macro just for scanning film. Pretty sure it'll be sharper than any scanner you could buy for the cost of said lens.
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>>4128588
>>4128590
crispy
what film?
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Has anyone of you ever submitted photos to contests or magazines? Ever win or get published?
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>>4129181
just submitted mine, curious
very local contest my lab is hosting

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>>4129181
I've won /r/analog weekly like 6 times AMA
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>>4128339
Yo I think I ignored your discord request by accident
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>>4129190
lol oops
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anyone have any experience with Mitsubishi film?

I got a guy (my grandpa) who has a ziplock full of it stashed in his freezer. Apparently my grandma stocked up on it when they stopped manufacturing it and the store she bought it from was trying to clear out old stock.

Can't find much about it online, much less examples. Honestly don't even know if this stuff will be good since it expired in like 97
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>>4129307
Easiest way to find out is to take a roll out and shoot it and see how it is
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>>4129181
I submitted a photo ages ages ago (digital) and won second place at a very very small gallery. Now I'm preparing to submit some to a much bigger festival that's coming up soon, will be shot on film
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>>4129307
both naming convention and apparent corporate connections suggest that it is a variant of the Konica films of similar ISO.

negative film stored in freezer from 97 should be fine (let it mellow at room temp for an hour before loading). Recommend shooting part or all of a roll at box speed and developing it and then see if you need to adjust more than that for later rolls.
the much vaunted "1 stop per decade rule" is hipster trash
here are more useful axioms:
1. usually storage conditions (cold/dry/dark) matter more than age
2. age reduces sensitivity (iso)
3. age reduces sensitivity of faster >250-400 iso films much more quickly
4. black and white ages better than color of equivalent iso
5. general best practice is to shoot some of the film at box speed, see how fogged it is, and then to over expose the next roll 1.5 stops and have the film pulled in development.
This is crucial because you are trying to build density on the negative that outpaces the fog's impact on the image. Ergo more exposure, less development

Wild card: if it's slide film, shoot box speed and see if it's shit, if it's shit you have to get way creative with overexposure, under development of the first developer + benzotriazole then normal development for later steps. slide film is much more complicated for this
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>need to do 10 rolls of colour to make home development viable
What the fuck, it’s very hard to get chems even at that price
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>>4128593
beautiful shot
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>>4128291
what the hell is 12-exp?
my lab doesn't differentiate between 23-exp and 36-exp unfortunately, but meh, its only a few dollars
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>>4128291
This is what I pay in my hip lab in Brussels. All scans are done on a fuji Frontier at high res. 48 hour turnaround time. I also have a crush on the girl at the counter so going there is nice
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>>4129464
kek what a scam
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>>4129414
IIRC you occasionally find 35mm found as 12exp as samplers
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>>4129478
how is that a scam
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I have a photography tutorial book from 1997 at home and obviously everything in it is shot on film, a mixture of 35mm and MF. What gets me is that the photos in it look very clean, documentative and similar to digital photos. Like realistically there is very little difference in quality at this level of enlargement and in print.

What I am curious about is why film photos taken currently look a lot more ‘filmy’ than those taken at the peak of film usage? They seem much more grainy, the colours are usually quite off. And they just look like film more. Am I the only person that notices this?
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>>4129487
not that person, it's a pretty decent price actually but charging extra for pushing or pulling is wack. my lab (which I only use for C41) lets you pull or push for free and it's 6 eur for both B&W and C41 in formats from 135, 120 and 4x5.
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>>4129517
because self taught ig tards suck dick. my 35mm looks equivalent to modern full frame with a good scan. if u use good gear and know what ur doing u can get excellent results on film.
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>>4129517
Probably the used an actual enlarger to work with negatives or a good scanner.

But also
>>4129529
retards don't know how to expose properly and most labs nowadays also don't know how to develop properly.
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>>4129517
As in pretty much any artistic medium, people have been trying to reach technical perfection. For photography it's sharp image, realistic colors, no grain, high resolution. That's what film and film camerashave been aiming towards for decades, and that trend continued on with digital cameras. But as always, once you have reach technical perfection, it becomes boring for artists and many depart from it for artistic purposes. For exemple with painting, after aiming towards photorealism for literally century and through different movements, painters started going more abstract, especially as photography progressed, because technical perfection had been reached and they needed something new to bring to the table.
The sort answer is: back then photographers wanted technical perfection. Now that perfection is available for the price of cheap compact camera or smartphone, people are looking specifically for that imperfect film look.
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>>4129543
fucking this

I personally started shooting it just so I could get more grainy and glowing looks, Never plan on being a pro artist or giving a shit what people think of my work, but it feels nice deviating from the pics I took on digital when I first started shooting. plus the entire process of shooting was made "imperfect" because I went from firing off 3 bracketed shots on digital and checking the exp every time to just shooting once and forgetting it (save for when I'm trying new stocks out)

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>>4128222
cheap film is only like a dollar less than expensive film just use whatever dude who cares
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>>4129549
Film looks like how a memory feels is the only way I can describe it
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>>4129601
You haven't seen the price of Portra, have you?
>>4129616
This also, but for me its about B&W. Its harder to actually pinpoint the time that the photo was taken so it feels more like a distant memory even if it was taken last week.
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havent even shot even one roll of 5222 yet and im already missing foma
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self scanning is fun, but i should edit the pictures during daylight because my screen is too dim at night
>blah blah blah qulity
it's a 35mm frame scanned on a V600, and my first scan. i didn't have better option for scanning that formal AND 120 under 250 bucks

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>>4129632
Not bad, desu. If you are using vuescan try using 2 passes, it improves a bit.
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>>4129643
it was using epson scan 2 lol
also i tried to use silverfast 8 but fucker keep crashing when i do multiple exposures
any tips to clean properly the scanning screen ? (look at the streak on her face)
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>>4129678
>look at the streak on her face
Looks more like the film isnt completely flat or something
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I recently found an unshot, expired roll of Kodak Max 400 that my grandfather estimated he had purchased 25 years ago. It was stored at room temperature during that time.

Would it be worth shooting? If so, any guesses on the effectice ISO I should shoot with?
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>>4129733
>kodak max
what kind? ultramax? tmax?
if its color negative film, shoot it at 50 or 100 iso. black and white is more stable, go for 200 iso.
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>>4129733
50/50 the scans come out like total dogshit
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>>4129734
The roll just says "MAX 400" on it but elsewhere on the roll it says it's a color negative film so I guess it's Ultramax. Thanks for the ISO recommendation

>>4129737
I like those odds
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>>4129630
i just bought 2x 100ft rolls of 5222. you wont be disappointed
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I hope you’re doing well Dean

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worth it bros? still cheaper than Portra....

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>>4129733
read
>>4129368
one stop per decade is bullshit. recommend shooting at 150 iso and pulling 1.5 stop in development.
>>4129464
ask her out
>>4129540
this

>>4129616
love when film has this permanent yet dreamy vibe. one of the reasons i like the slightly inaccurate colors of expired slide film
>>4129623
love when you think the photo could be old or timeless and you have to search for "too new" things in the image to tip you off.
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>>4129805
>worth it bros?
probably not but maybe
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>>4129825
wtf I literally saw some Hawaiian store sell provia for 19$ a roll
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>>4129825
redpill me on slide film - isn't it just positive-negatives for 2x the price?
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>>4129832
It has less dynamic range but you can look at it and appreciate the photo in 35mm/6x7 or put it in a slide projector
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>>4129740
Yeah its from before they branded it ultramax, so its at least 25 years old
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>>4129832
Pros:
-Inherently stronger contrast
-usually higher resolving power than negative (not always)
-much more saturated
-more permanent because of different type of dyes
-viewable by eye or through projection
-theoretically better for camera scanning
Cons:
-much smaller dynamic range than negative (usually 5-4 stops)
-harder to shoot and meter for (can't just use scene average 18% grey)
-less tolerant of development fuckups and storage related issues
-can no longer print fully analog (used to be possible either by kodak positive print or Cibachrome--although it is theoretically still possible by way of inter-negative, RA4 reversal printing, or by making color separations) i.e. you need to scan and then print digitally which is lame. Ironically back in the day slide was preferred for magazines because no print had to be made and tweaked, color separations were made directly and then printed.
-usually more expensive
-harder to find and harder to find places that develop and do so well.

Both have their use cases. Many here remember the slide film look from Textbooks and Magazines of yesteryear and their intense colors and dark blacks and see it as a big part of the "film look"

>pic somewhat related, imagine that boomers copied their kodachromes to vhs and probably chucked them.
There was an article that came out recently where some guy bragged about storing his grandfathers film so poorly that he was part of the artwork in having altered the images by destroying them, same energy.
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I want to shoot an event this weekend but the high temperature will be in the mid-20s F. Is that too low to take a 35mm out to use?
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>>4129997
Depends of your shutter type.
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>>4130013
It's a Minolta x700.
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>>4130030
You can shoot that shit at -25C and it'll be fine. Just watch for condensation, let that bitch settle into the temp.
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>>4130031
>let that bitch settle into the temp.
How exactly do I do that? Is that the same as this other tip I saw about putting the camera in a ziploc before coming back inside so it doesn't condense so much after a sudden rise in temp?
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>>4130033
imma guess you're shooting outside and then leaving in a car? if the car is parked outside and gets to a similar temp inside as out, then while you're leaving the heater will warm the inside of the car gradually enough to avoid condensation (unless it's like a brand new lexus or something that heats up quick.) Honestly anything above 20f i wouldn't worry about just taking right inside unless it's like some high 70s apartment. In which case yeah google the bag method way lol.
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getting prepped for the weekend, bros
first time shooting Acros II, any tips?

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>>4130307
Yes.
Don't, shoot HP5.
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>>4130307
keep your development strategy in mind. Over expose a 1/3rd stop or more if using rodinal.
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>>4130325
> Over expose a 1/3rd stop or more if using rodinal.
oh shoot, that's what I use! what's the reason for overexposing with rodinal?
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>>4130313
I shot hp5 my last roll, I want to try something new and this what I have in the que + the Acros that's loaded
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>>4130343
Where do yyou even go out to find interesting subjects to shoot so much film, I live in a big ass city and it's still hard to complete a full roll across a few weekends
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>>4130346
git gud at google maps street view
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>>4130346
that Olympus is my edc and I take it with me wherever I go so I'm constantly snapping with that
I have a SLR I take for trips or use mainly on weekends when I have time to plan out my equipment or just take it all and use whatever feels good when I'm at my destination
so that's 2 cameras I'm running film through at any time but along the lines of >>4130362 I search Google maps and look for interesting areas and hope there's a brewery around for extra reasons to visit and hit the road + home dev means more films to test
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Does anyone have any good tips for Patterson reel use? Mine literally always bind up about 1/3 way through loading the roll.
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>>4130416
throw it away and get another one.
alternatively try boiling it, i know it sounds weird but i bought one second hand that was bent like a fucking banana, boiling it for like 10 minutes straightened it right out and it also gave it the best clean ever.
im thinking your might have warped for some reason, or it needs a deep clean, and boiling it will do both.

ofc stir it around constantly so it doesnt sit against the bottom of the pot where temps might exceed those of boiling water.
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scored an excellent grade pentax program plus (program a for non yanks) from keh. not having a shutter dial is a little weird but I'm so used to metering for shadows then recomposing that the compensation dial will be the biggest learning curve
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>>4129787
neat, i bough a few rolls from some guy on the internet to try it out
any tippos for developing 5222 in rodinal?
not too keen on trying other developers rn
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I have an Ashai Pentax k1000. I've never shot on a film camera, and I've never tried photography in general. How do I into using this thing?
What sort of film should I get?
How do I know which shutter speed I should use?
There are two rings on the lens. One of them is for adjusting the focus, what is the other one for?
What general things should I be aware of?
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>>4130489
>How do I into using this thing?
Watch a video, on how to load and basic operation. Its not rocket science but its a good idea to familiarize with your specific camera before using it.
>What sort of film should I get?
The prices of color film are fucked right now, so for a first try the cheapest black and white that you can find. Fomapan is a favorite of the thread. Mind that film has "speed" meaning that they are faster or slower to capture the light they are exposed too. Fomapan is usally ISO 100 so it would work great on exteriors, but not so great in dim light interiors (Unless you have a flash)
>How do I know which shutter speed I should use?
>There are two rings on the lens. One of them is for adjusting the focus, what is the other one for?
Learn about the triangle of exposition, sunny 16 or look for a light meter app for your phone. The shutter speed is going to affect how long you expose your film, so it depends of the circumstances. The other ring is for the aperture, move it and you can see a circle on the lens getting bigger or smaller, that also determines how much light its going to enter your film.
>What general things should I be aware of?
Try to locate a film lab that has fair prices in your area, you can look into selfdev if you like it but please make sure that you actually enjoy it.
Have fun, fucking up things its part of the experience so don't feel discouraged if you don't make great photos at the beginning, keep researching.
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>>4130489
a fellow pentaxbro! great camera to start with since it's full manual so you'll learn how to take photos instead of letting the camera set the exposure. it does use batteries but only for the light meter, you can use an external light meter if you don't trust the meter in the camera but I found the K1000 I had to be pretty good.

last advice -. assuming you're not doing home dev so get your film developed by an actual photo lab and not CVS/Walmart/etc. the difference in quality will make you want to keep shooting and improving.

good luck and have fun.
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>>4128831
>>4128829
>>4128828
>>4128827
>>4128826
ty for sharing anon, that hillside one looks very dreamlike.
Newspaper one is pretty cool as well, real crunchy texture
What did you actually shoot with? I assume a kodak bw judging by the filenames
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>>4128913
I'd love to find out if there are any people with old film gear/chemicals near me they'd be happy donating/selling cheap
Nice find anon, how many rolls do you think that's worth?
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>>4130339
Rodinal loses shadow detail at about that rate (1/3 [usually] to 2/3 stop [faster films]). Tends to be a feature of concentrated one shot developers.
Sometimes people call it a "speed losing developer" but that sounds unnecessarily harsh. I've seen great results with acros+ rodinal both stand and regular development. Check Filmdev.org.

>>4130451
I've done 1+50 and pulled it to 125 in rodinal with really nice results. Wouldn't recommend too much agitation because it makes the grain worse (coarser) and the film and dev combo is already contrasty. Try 1+25 if you want more contrast. Recommend overexposing a bit as mentioned above. Also check fixing time on the film leader (drop one drop of mixed fixer on leader in light, see how long it takes to go translucent, double that time for fixing time of film) because sometimes high silver content films will under fix.
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If I'm gonna shoot outside when it's snowing, is it true that I should crank the shutter speed high or low so the neg won't end up just a mess of white motion blur streaks?
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>>4130637
I remember reading somewhere that you need to compensate for the snow by like 2 stops over-exposure otherwise you end up with murky grey snow.
Idk how true that is but if you are shooting in active snowfall, anything faster than 1/60 would work I assume unless the snow is falling very fast.
Maybe compensate with aperture instead if you're worried about streaks, most likely not going to see very far in heavy snowfall anyhow.
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Pushed ProImage 100 to 800 because it was all I had.

Everything went better than expected.
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Gonna go out tonight to test this thing.
Seems to be working fine except the led that says if you need to use the flash.
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>>4128222

Hi filmbros. Can anyone tell me how those instax printers work? Thanks
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>>4130664
Is this specifically to test for non-daylight hours? Interested to see how it holds up in the dark
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>>4130672
Prints digital photo to film that's used in instax minies.
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>>4130672
>>4130716
You can also connect directly to some fuji cameras. It works with my x-e3
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>>4130672
I have one with me rn, it's a SP-3
You can either send photos from your phone or from your Fuji camera or from your phone and have it print within about 20 seconds.

Shoot me more questions and I'll try to answer them.
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>>4130683
>Is this specifically to test for non-daylight hours? Interested to see how it holds up in the dark
Yep, it works okay on daylight (Considering that is a point and shoot from the 70s)
I loaded with some Arista 400 since its the higher it goes
Ended using flash a lot, so gonna develop it tomorrow and see how it did it
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>>4130516
>>4130535
Thanks for the info. I'm going on a ski trip soon, and I kind of want to bring the camera, but I'm afraid of falling on it. Does anyone have suggestions for carrying while skiing? I guess I could just bring it for just one day and only hit mellower runs.
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>>4130767
lol you'll break your ribs smashing into a tree if that's on your neck before that tank will, just stick it in a backpack until you need it. and see
>>4130637
>>4130641
shooting in snow is tricky
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>>4130780
got any generic tips for snow or is it just a case of shoot and find out? I did some shooting with gold in december while the snow was still fresh, I just did the +2 stops over-exposure compensation.
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>>4130780
>shooting in snow is tricky
>tricky
>set meter to +1.5/2
>get perfect results every time
The only slightly tricky part is color balancing because snow's actual color on the film varies depending on conditions which you can't see in situ because your brain shoops it on the fly.

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>>4130804
couldn't you also just use the zone system? Or is that literally what the +2 comes from
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>>4130805
Use whatever system you want but +2 works and that's about it.

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>>4130808
>>4130804
These are dope anon. What did you shoot this on?
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Where can I source parts for Nikon film cameras? I picked up an F5 recently that needs some body screws.
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>>4130809
Adox CMS 20 II.

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>>4130620
right, ill give it a try but maybe start with 1+100 stand/semi stand and go from there
fixing test sounds like a good idea
thanks anon
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>>4130836
1+100 semi stand will probably be good. Recommend putting in a 120 tank (same dilution, more volume) so you have less risk of developer exhaustion. Usually people do this for agfa copex but it is a good measure generally and in particular on high silver films.
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>>4130836
>ill give it a try but maybe start with 1+100 stand/semi stand
it's a bad idea to go standdev for 35mm film. Perforation holes artifacts can appear in your film
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Home developed my first roll of film, this is awesome can't wait to do more.
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>>4130923
can I ship out my rolls to you kek
im tired of developing lol. it was fun in the beginning when I started shooting film eons ago but it wore out. darkroom printing is as fun as it was the first time though.
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>>4130923
Nice anon, congrats.
What chemistry?
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Thinking about getting a Mamiya7. Going on a roadtrip for a month in Arizona/Utah and currently have an RB67 and M645. Seeing as we have to fly from Europe I thought maybe its better to buy the Mamiya7 and sell the other two. Anybody got experience with the Mamiya7 and what's a decent price atm?
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>>4130936
I'm sure it'll wear out with time but so far I'm having a blast. One day I hope to do my own prints too.
>>4130942
Ilford HC and rapid fixer, just water for the stop and a smidge of soap in the water for the final bath.
Now I just need to get them properly scanned, here's a shitty phone one.
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>>4130949
Good shit my man
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>>4130936
Just do stand dev bro
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>>4129134
the dream man

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>>4130977
i've done a fair share of stand dev, but I don't like how they come out.
XTOL is the best developer around in terms of shadow detail and acutance.
I pretty much use it exclusively unless i'm using very fine grain film, then I'll use HC-110, otherwise the XTOL pretty much kills much of the grain with CHS 100 or Acros. its great for 400 speed or film you've underexposed that you're gonna push process.
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>>4130995
looks great. is that also superia?
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>>4130804
I'm the original anon but what I was actually referring to is not shooting snowy subjects, but shooting non-snow subjects while it's snowing outside. I'm worried if I expose wrong it'll just be white streaks all over
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>bought a collapsible lens (FED f/3.5 5cm) for my FED 3a
Anyone ever used one of those old russian shit ?
i only got it because it make the camera pocketable (and because my old industar 61 was busted beyond repair)

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Where do I start with instant film bros? I want color and a lot of it - none of those murky green or earth toned photos that a lot of vintage Polaroid cameras seem to produce
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>>4130648
>>4130650
>>4130652
>>4130653
that's actually pretty tight
might try that once
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Uuuh...

First time trying stand dev with rodinal and Arista 400.

What did i fuck up?
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>>4131118
yup
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>>4131227
I don't think there's an instant film that has strong saturation.
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Is the Bronica ETRSi a good camera?

If not, what? I have analysis paralysis. There's too many rumors floating around compared to 35mm cameras where they're all kind of the same
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>>4131270
Do you remember what exposure settings you did to get that shot or was it just whatever the meter said/
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>buy lens on ebay
>check it out, doesn't focus correctly
>open return request with pictures of proof
>seller refuses, says it worked correctly on their end
>seller also discloses service/usage history that does not match listing
>i point out discrepancies
>seller calls me a liar, says i'm lying to return something i don't want anymore
>seller opens case against me, which closes the return form
>ebay support instantly closes case in my favor, refunds me fully
>never get shipping label to send lens back, return says closed and finished.

what the fuck lol. anyways i guess i just wait a little until i go get it repaired in case the seller appeals? it's legitimately busted and needs collimation/adjustment.
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>>4131282
Uhhh, the ikon I have has a really good meter so I mostly rely on it. I think it was f/8 1/250th?
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>>4131285
So you choose f/8 and the meter told you to use 1/250? If so, what went into the decision to choose that aperture for such a shot?
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I'm gonna be honest, I usually leave my aperture at f/8 unless I need more light or need to separate the subject from the background. No special thought for camera settings went into that specific picture.

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>>4131323
maybe I shouldnt have bought the cheapest moskva-5 on ebay

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>>4131326
something happend to some of the neggies

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>>4131336
composing is still a pain

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>>4131262
arista 400 is foma 400 which is really a 320 iso film (in fast developers like Microphen or foma LQR) 250iso or so with rodinal typical 1/3rd stop or more speed loss.

You really need to over expose it because it is also a low contrast film. How long was your stand development? it often needs more than you think and more solution (use 120 film tank for 1 35mm roll. so the developer doesnt get exhausted).

It's a perfectly good film to use but it has particulars to be aware of in order to get good results.

Watch "Shoot Film Like a Boss" 's youtube video on foma 400 and rodinal to get a good idea of other development choices to make. Alternately use filmdev.org
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>>4131167
when in good condition, used properly, they are great cameras. Especially for the size and era.
industar-50 collapsibles were frequently used as enlarger lenses back before the industar 96 and vega 11u became easily available. They can be very sharp.
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>>4131167
Zenit, Zorki and Fed, had one of each. Not one of them lasted for longer than two rolls before dying to shutter failures. If you like tinkering then sure, but don't bother if you just want something that can be relied on.
>but they're good if they have been maintained well!
Good luck finding one that you can reliably expect to have been maintained. 98% of "CLA'd" postings on Ebay are Ukrainian scammers who at most replaced the light seals and blew some dust off.
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>>4131457
>>4131381
body work properly lads, i was just asking about the lens
if it broke i'll just buy another cheap russian rangefinder, they are like 40 bucks in my country
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>>4131457
>I buy cheap lenses from unverified sellers on ebay and they're always in bad condition, how come!
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>>4131457
>he trusted a khokhol
yeah you literally can't do this if you want a functioning USSR camera.
>>4131458
fed 3.5 and industar 10 are the same. Later fed 3.5 is a 22, industar 50 is the most modern form of the collapsible 3.5 lens.
industar 26 is a further improvement but not collapsible.
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>>4131759
more correctly:
>he trusted anyone from eastern europe
i ordered a watch from russians, brand new, it showed up rusty and scratched

i will only buy european cameras from americans
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>>4128222
i have a question /fgt/
what is a good pentax film SLR with autofocus?
all ive really seen is good stuff about the k1000 and ME super
but i dunno about the Autofocus stuff
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>>4131867
645nii
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>>4131623
Yes, always a yellow unless I want more atmosphere from fog/rain/snow

>>4131280

Yes, great camera.

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>>4131376
Thanks man. I did a semi stand dev of around 120 minutes, used an ammount of developer like if I was developing a 120 roll. Gonna check on that video too!

But it seems that the problem was my fixer seems like it was exhausted. I shot and developed a roll of Shanghai 120 (since I keep seeing people mention it) prepared a new batch of fixer and it went well. I really like the contrast it has, but its a bitch to scan its really jumpy.

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>>4131867
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentax_cameras
sf series and later
curse me for spoonfeeding
>>4131911
exhausted fixer can definitely do it. Foma films (except 320 retro) fix relatively quickly but i still recommend the blot test as seen here:
>>4130620
you can do it while you develop or waiting for some other step.
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>>4131280
Don't buy any MF SLR unless you like film flatness problems.
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>>4129010
>>4129026
I can use half as much chemistry for the same development rating and time. Also it was a "why not" experiment.

>>4130598
Kodak Double-X/5222. I buy the 400ft spools and bulk roll it myself
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>>4131996
>Don't buy any MF SLR unless you like film flatness problems.
explain yourself
>>4131280
great camera, but lenses are not so good comparing to 645 Mamiyas and Pentaxes
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>>4131339
how did you make these photos?
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I have some Agfa vista 200 expired in 2017 laying around, is this worth shooting?
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>>4132085
See previous thread >>4125861
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>>4132089
ye
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When you find a good shot, do you take several shots of it on different settings just in the hope that one of them gets it right?
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>>4132090
the back looks pretty clean, it's just little breaks in the bellows causing light leaks?
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>>4131376
>foma 400 which is really a 320 iso film
it's barely over 250 even in microfen, picrelated
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>>4131167
>russian
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>>4131759
>khokhol
oh, fuck off, you tankie
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Soviet shit, best shit.

t. taken with my chinese camera

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>>4132395
better, innit?

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>>4132408
That's a lot better cheers, I was too cheap to pay for a better scanning/editing package. Hope to do my own scanning and editing eventually though.
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>>4132410
To you have Photoshop, or something where you can edit levels for each channel separately
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>>4132412
I do have photoshop but never used it for photo editing before, as dumb as that sounds.
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>>4132413
Just open your photo is PS, go to Channels tab on the right side, select one by clicking on it, go to Levels and set the white and black points on where the histogram actually starts. Just this will already do wonders
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>>4132413
just use a free version of Light room and hit "auto"
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>>4132423
oh awesome thanks for the tips, I'll give it a shot
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>>4132413
(there's a magic wand tool you can click and it will do it pretty well, then you can see what it picked to do automatically and fine tune yourself)
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>>4132340
No, I know how to use a camera. I'm a one shot and go person, maybe try a second comp sometimes.
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the CatLABS X 320 ISO Pro Film description reads as

>For best results rate it at 200 ISO when shooting outdoors under bright sunlight. Push it as high as 1600 when shooting under artificial/low light conditions

do they mean a whole roll at 200 on a bright day or a few frames while you're out and then you can push/meter to 1600 later that night on the same roll? and dev it all at once?
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>>4132737
No. That's mean you should not shoot the same roll inside and outside
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>>4128723
color: velvia 50
black and white: rollei rpx 25

film is unusably grainy above 800 iso on 35mm
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>>4129848
>(can't just use scene average 18% grey)
uh, yes you can lol. i shot 2 rolls of ektachrome entirely automatic and 90% of the pics came out great
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Honestly might sell it and profit 3k and just buy a shenhao back for a 4x5 camera. Not having movements is annoying.
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>>4132758
>fatroll light lieak
trully a curse for the medium format user
Those are great keep up the good work man
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>>4132763
thanks! Much prefer the 4x5 honestly. I'm finding that since its such an early linhof, this 90mm 4x5 lens on it isn't the sharpest. I'll have to do more testing.
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big boi file

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>>4130767
My k1000 light meter isn't working, and I'm not sure why. I got some fresh lr44 batteries, but when I do the check, the light meter only jumps up to the center position. For any other settings, the light meter remains all the way at the bottom.

Any ideas?
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>>4130516
>Learn about the triangle of exposition, sunny 16 or look for a light meter app for your phone
I'm retarded and trying to understand what I need to set my camera at if I want to shoot in the snow.

I got a light meter for my phone, and I gave it a +2 exposure bias. Am I good to just send it with that? Do I need to aim at the sky while metering? Aiming at different places gives wildly different suggested shutter speeds.
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>>4132760
You are a big camera
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>>4132809
Sunny 16
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>>4132816
Also, I've got iso 400 film. Maybe I should have gotten 200 or 100 in hindsight, but whatever
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>>4132816
Aim at the area you want to photograph
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>>4132818
Does that work in the snow? Should I just leave the shutter speed at 500 then (if using 400 iso)? If I'm shooting landscapes, shouldn't I use a smaller aperture and a slower shutter speed?
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>>4132758
Chad
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Wish I'd just loaded RPX 25.

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Nevertheless, first sheet shits of the year.

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>>4131296
Where is this? Really pretty
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