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sup /p/

Old film RF shooter here. I was fucking around on ebay and couldn't believe that the M9 is around a grand these days. What's the best way to shoot full-frame M mount lenses these days for around $1k USD or less? M9? a7S II? I'm out ofd the loop.
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>>4046673
m9 is very different from a7s sii
you get a leica bc you want manual rf usability despite its iq defects
you get a sony bc you want high iso iq despite its poor usability
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>>4046673
afaik leica still is the only ff rf camera on the market
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>>4046674
What are the UX issues with manual focus lenses on the a7s i/ii? I don't need any AF shit, I really don't even need auto-ISO (that would be nice), I really just need AE with pretty dumb metering. I guess focus confirmation would be nice but I have no idea if they do that.
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>>4046677
sorry, let me correct myself
it isn't poor ux, it's just not rf ux

plenty of top notch lenses native to the mount, so that's a big plus
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>>4046673
I see most M9's around $2500-3000 on ebay. I wouldn't buy one though, as Leica no longer repairs them and they are prone to sensor corrosion, which itself is a $1k repair through a third party.
If you're set on a digital M, aim for something newer.

>What's the best way to shoot full-frame M mount lenses these days
The big thing to know is that there is a wide variety in thickness of sensor glass, which can lead to smearing around the edges, and is especially troublesome for wide angle lenses. Picrel is the same lens just on an M240 vs a7s. The SL series would be best in this regard, also outside of your budget.
Pretty much all the brands have various focus aids (peaking, magnification, dual display, split, etc), but vary in quality / effectiveness. At $1k, I would honestly just go for whatever has the best viewfinder.

The closest to the "rangefinder" experience is definitely an X-Pro2, which gives you an offset OVF with frame lines. It can focus with more precision (thanks to magnified ERF display), but it is a slower process. The "patch" is offset to the corner, but you also aren't locked into focus & recompose. Not FF though, so you have to get used to different focal lengths for your lenses. They are a much better experience with AF lenses.

For reference, I use an M10, and use the glass on X-Pro's (and GFX) too.
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>>4046681
left: soul
right: soulless
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>>4046681
ty anon, sounds like the M9 is a miss. If I want FF at the thousand-ish price point it seems the a7s + adapter is the way, but with a much different workflow than the typical RF experience.
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>>4046709
You have no reason at all buying a7s either for photography or for shooting vids at this moment . Its outgunned in either by all comparable cameras on the market. 12mp is seriously too little.
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>>4046749
why is 12 mp too little?
it was fine for large prints 10 years ago, why not now?

i'm not saying anything more than 12 mp is superfluous though
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>>4046749
>12mp is seriously too little.
you should be hanged.
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>>4046673
Another old film RF shooter here. I was waffling about trying to figure out the best digital option last year and eventually decided chasing FF was kinda dumb and got an xpro3. No regrets. Thought the crop factor would be lame...but I actually really enjoy using my M lenses as their cropped varieties.

IMO, I'd recommend getting a Fuji XE4 for you. The film sim experience is so fucking rad once you dial a few in to your liking.

Fwiw I adapted m lenses on my A7 for awhile. It works...but I find the Fuji so much more fun to shoot with.

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>>4046750
It's full 8mp less than 20mp cameras that have established themselves as lowest standard. Resolution of the sensor gets mogged by anything on the market today. And it's even outdated vid centric camera that gets blown by everything in it's price range. I've no idea why sony shills are pushing it as much as they are, possibly since people are selling them and buying better models as soon as they realise all it's shortcomings.
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>>4046750
because bigger number better, dont you know
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>>4046802
this
it would ok-ish if it had 12mpx plus pixelshift
plain 12mpx is just too few px tho
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>>4046802
so its not enough because you can get higher res nowadays?
weird logic but ok, each to their own i suppose
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>>4046709
I mean, if you want your edges to look like the pic posted with an a7s, go ahead. I would honestly consider a Nikon Z5. Larger & higher res viewfinder, with a thinner sensor glass which makes it more suitable to M lenses.
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>>4046749
>12mp is seriously too little
Wrong.
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>>4046749
What's a 1k-ish FF mirrorless that can adapt M lenses besides the Sony?
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>>4046817
Wait, is the Sony the one on the left?

The Z5 looks pretty rad and is the right price, and I already have a bunch of MF Nikkors. Does anyone have experience adapting M lenses on the Z series cameras? Is there a comparable Canon FF mirrorless that can also adapt M?
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>>4046802
Do the a7s i/ii have any low light advantages compared to more modern mirrorless?
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>>4046831
Yeah, Sony a7s is left, Leica M240 on right, same lens. The center and mid is usually fine, but edges & wide angles can get weird on a lot of mirrorless bodies. Have 6 M lenses I could give an example of on Fuji X if wanted.

Could also look at a Canon RP, or Panasonics S5 (sale price gets down to $1500). If you're going with Sony, I would look more towards an a7II/III for IBIS. Can't really speak to how any perform with M glass, so do your own due diligence, but I do believe a Z5 works better than an older a7.
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>>4046833
For video, I'd assume yes.
For stills, it might look better comparing at 100%, but once you factor in the output it wont be.
For the same output, or if you took images from the 40-60mp mirrorless options, and resized them down to match the 12mp image, they would look similar to better.
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Epson R-D1, if you can actually find one for a decent price. They have gone up quite a bit these past few years.
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>>4046856
crop
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>>4046833
Sure, pixel size does matter. But then again, it's only in effect when you need to bump iso up, and that's not something that will get you great low light results in the first place. You'll get far better quality by just shooting long exposure and low isos, or lighting the scene well. When you do that resolution comes back as a factor again, and it actually again brings advantages to high res cameras. If we're talking about stalker camera, near night vision, then it's probably still the best on market. Main competition would be Canon's new 20mp.
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>>4046788
what this dude said
A7rii with adapters if you lust for full frame or very high resolution, but fuji is great
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>>4046788
>>4047106
anons you have given me much to think about
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>>4047163
I do have 7 m-mount lenses, can give examples of them on a Fuji if you have a focal length you're thinking about.
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>>4047166
90% of my stuff is 40mm but I am very curious if you have any ultrawides with a deeply protruding rear element. I have a CV 21/4 and the edges are bad on FF Leica. I wonder if you even notice on crop.
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>>4047167
I use my 25/4 on my xpro often. No issues.

Also, if you like 40mm...the Fuji 27/2.8 wr is a fucking great lens. It's on my xpro 90% of the time as I'm also a 40mm fangirl

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>>4047181
The 40mm Nokton on the fuji is like a vision of my future
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>>4047167
This is the voigtlander 28mm ultron II, widest I have. Left is f5.6, right is f2, center vs corner sharpness.
Some smearing on the extreme corner wide open (bot right). A bit in the bot left, but that's basically on par with some of the fujicrons at f2-2.8.
It's definitely different using the OVF + MF lenses with an X-Pro. It's do-able, but a lot slower than on an M body. EVF works totally fine with adapted lenses, and OVF works great with AF lenses.
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>>4047206
>>4047167
and this is an old one x-pro2 + 35mm f2.5 PII
can definitely see smearing in the lower left corner
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>>4047206
>>4047208
look's like it's not worth wasting time and money on m-mount lenses
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>>4046673
man you can't.
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>>4046673
fuji x-e3
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>>4047181
x-pro3 and the 27mm f/2.8 using autofocus and the ovf is the setup i settled on after going through phases with just about everything else. i have the bessa and some other film rangefinders and id love to shoot a digital leica but i need 20mp for my use case and it's just not financially sensible
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>>4046788
with capture one fuji edition you can swap the film simulations in post
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however i think some how the fuji jpegs look different than the fuji raw -> capture one fuji film sim
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the best digital rangefinder-style camera is the xpro1. $300 gets you beautiful xtrans 1 sensor images.
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>>4047309
>$300
show me where an xpro1 is $300. minimum is $500.
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>>4047297
You're basically me except I never use the OVF as it turns out.

>>4047298
If you shoot raw, which I don't.

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>>4047447
>I never use the OVF
the ovf just lets me take the shot faster if im creepin. it helps me not to focus so much on exposure or the composition being perfect, and to use my damn eyes instead



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