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small and cute cameras edition

>Community Links:
35mmc.com
Casualphotophile.com
Emulsive.org
istillshootfilm.org/beginners-guide-film-photography
digitaltruth.com/devchart.php
industrieplus.net/dxdatabase

>OId Thread
>>3959156

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>>3965163
any tips for mounting 35mm film to the wheel? I can effortlessly do 120 but 135 always bends and detaches from the guides
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I plan to test my stand developer by shooting a 120 roll of 100ISO film at 1, 3, 6, 12, 25, 50, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600 and 3200.
will the 6mL of developer be enough for this extreme test case? I know you can recover a lot, but isn’t the extreme brightness that I will achieve when shooting at low pretended ISO eat up everything and leave the other frames badly developed?
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>>3965184
Diffusion is way too slow for that to happen
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>110 film
Anyone shooting this? I've got a pair of cameras of this format but it's hard to find film available without 2 month shipping. Is it even worth it to shoot for fun?
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>>3965317
Get a kiev 30 and a bulk roll of any 16mm film
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>>3965317
I have an old Kodak Trimlite Instamatic. I'm working on getting the film developed, so I can't speak mich about the film itself. Currently, Lomography is the only reliable producer of 110 film. I enjoy the true "point and shoot" nature of my Kodak, but there are 110 cameras with more options, some with selectable aperture and shutter speeds. Most will be just straight foward focus, point, shoot pictures. These were the cameras for families to take anywhere to capture moments at any time. The photo quality is going to be very lo-fi and not as much information is captured vs 35mm. For a standard sized photo print it should be fine, but it would look noticeably shit if you blew it up to poster size. If you get into 110, just have it as something for fun, not for serious work unless you're just after that lo-fi aesthetic. They're fun, cheap, and plentiful
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How do I develop 16mm on my own? I have a paterson tank but no reel that takes 16mm. Any way to jerry rig it?
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>>3965329
You need a special reel and tank because of how long the film is, and the only home developers of movie film were the soviets, everyone else let labs do it for them. Look up lomo 16mm tanks, its the easiest way to develop your own film unless you wanna diy a solution.
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fucked up a roll really badly this time, I am mad

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>>3965380
This is the least damaged frame of the roll

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>>3965317
Yep, on a pentax 110 auto (picrel) and also an agfa optima 6000. Both pretty fun to shoot.

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Went to a concert yesterday, here are four cursed images I took

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>>3965389
1 - The Church

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>>3965390
2 - The Master

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>>3965391
3 - The Instrument

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Alright, so I finally got my color enlarger set up.

Here's the first one I was satisfied with. I know the negative is a little fucked, it's one of my home developed ones, but my main question is wtf is up with the weird border on the image?

I exposed it at f8, should I tighten it up a little?

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>>3965163
I have one of these but the shutter won't fire, it's too bad
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>>3965380
How did you screw it up that badly? Did you just throw the whole film cartridge into the developer?
I have room-temperature IQ and I was able to work my Paterson reel after a few YT videos and a few forum threads.
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>>3965526
I've had many successfully developed rolls before, it's not that I can't do it. But I was too tired. Many things went wrong. First, in camera, the film was not advancing correctly; there are many overlapping frames. Second, I was using the new changing bag I bought for the second time, and forgot to close it properly (did only the zipper, not the velcro). Halfway through asked my brother to close the velcro. Third, I had an awful time getting the film on the reel, for some weird reason. So I was there, hands in the dark bag in frustration for a good 15 minutes, then went to the toilet and finished the job there and probably got some more light on the film. Fourth, I had 2 reels in the tank, one with this 35mm roll and a 110-modded one with a little strip of respooled 110 film (cut down from 120) which was too thin and fell out of the reel during development and probably was touching other film (came out blank).

So yeah, that's the story. Being exhausted cuts IQ in half.
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>>3965531
Sucks man. I know that feeling of getting frustrated and wanting to try force it through, but not being able to because that will crease the film and ruin a frame.
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>>3965380
ive done that too. now its no drinkytime before trying to develop.
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>>3965380
looks pretty cool desu

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>>3965380
I like this picture a lot. It has a feeling of movement like it's a film strip going through a projector. And the dark masked part has a nice shape and continuity through the separate frames.
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Alright guys, I just got into analog cameras and filled up my first ever analog roll (35mm, color). Do you develop and scan your pictures yourself?
I am thinking about developing my roll in some drug store for cheap money and digitilizing it in a more expensive photo lab because the drug store scans are supposedly crap.
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>>3965727
Chances are the drug store just sends your film to a lab and charges you markup for it.
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>>3965727
if you're going to make a hobby of it, just buy your own flatbed scanner. a epson v550 should only cost you like $100. it gives you more control over the digitization, and it'll pay for itself after like 20 rolls, even fewer if you value your time and gas
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>>3965733
Drug store prices are a lot cheaper though

>>3965745
>buying own flatbed scanner
That sounds like I would give up a lot of quality just to have my own scanner. I imagine that photo labs will have some expensive scanner that will beat a 100$ flatbed scanner.
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>>3965749
>I imagine that photo labs will have some expensive scanner that will beat a 100$ flatbed scanner.
You're lucky if you get your negatives and a 12 megapixel scan back from a drugstore.
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>>3965749
some do have really good scanners, but you have to pay out the ass for S-quality scans, and if you're not going to blow them up to be window-sized pieces or bigger you likely won't notice the difference in any functional way.

>>3965752
this
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>>3965756
But I will stiill need to develop the film, right?
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>>3965759
Only cine film, modern photo film can be developed with hot water, it prints the image into the potassium nitrite and all you need is to wash the opaque anti halation layer off.
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>>3965759
Color kits can be expensive and you have to do large batches of film to not waste it because they have a short shelf life once mixed. Someone else would have to calculate the break even on a kit and scanner vs. sending it off because I can't be bothered. For me, it's something like 15-30 cents a photo for black and white and the break even was 10 rolls. 2 to 10 dollars a print in the darkroom, any size.
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I have managed to get some kodak technical film for next to nothing. (5302 and 2556) I was wondering if there is anyway I can shoot this at a reasonable ISO and still get decent images out of them?
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>>3965775
why would you waste them shooting in an improper way instead of just getting a tripod?
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>>3965775
how do I get kodak technical film for next to nothing?
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>>3965782
I do have a tripod, and I have 30m rolls of them, so I have plenty to shoot. I was more just curious to see if it was possible. I think they are like 5-6 ISO or something like that. I also wouldn't know how to develop it, maybe stand with rodinal? What would you suggest?
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>>3965788
It was luck, knew someone that offered them to me first before trying to sell them online.
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>>3965765
>modern photo film can be developed with hot water
wut
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>>3965163

Anon from last thread who accidentally souped portra 160 in rodinal here. Glad to report that the negs came out fully usable. A little thick negs, but easily saveable in post. And someone said I should expect big grain, cannot agree with that at all. Grain is pretty similar in size to Ilford delta 100, very small and good looking. And I feel like the negs retained even slightly better shadow detail as delta would have.

From these it's hard to see any other reason than price not to use c41 film as bw too.
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>>3965772
Meh, 40 bucks for a cs41 powder kit that gets you at least 24 devs isnt that expensive imo
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>>3965765
what the fuck are you on about?

first, modern photo film needs a development process that involves a lot more than just hot water. second, even if it were only hot water involved in the development process of *any* film (which is not the case) that's still a developmental process...
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>>3965727
drug store wont give your negatives back
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im going to solo motorcycle trip india and south asia and i want to take one film camera. im torn between:
>mamiya 6 + 50mm f/4
>bessa r2a + some 35mm lens

the square format would be great for how i use the images. the goddamn camera is big to carry though and that's a lot of film.

im shooting landscape and street, probably ilford hp5+ purchased in some huge quantity.

ill shoot everything the same way, meter with aperture priority. undecided if ill shoot at box speed or underexpose and push.
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>>3966047
the r3a + 40mm lens is really tempting too as i like the 1:1 magnification
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>>3965789
I would suggest trying some rolls at box speed first and develop them nominally. At 5 ISO you can probably shoot them at 50 ISO and develop them with 1+100 Rodinal for 1h30m.
Just yesterday I tested stand development with my FP4 and this frame was over exposed by 7 stops (FP4 is 125 ISO but I exposed for 1 ISO) and the image still came out with a bit of help from the scanner software.

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>>3966050
canon p has a 1:1 viewfinder but the 35mm frame lines are hard to see at that mag
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do you guys use proper light meters or just the one inbuilt into your camera?
i've just gotten into shooting with a k1000 and I seem to keep exposing for the highlights and getting really dark shadows. Is exposing for midtones simply just a practice of pointing the camera at the midtones for more even exposure?
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>>3966058
how does this relate to his question?
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>>3966058
the canon p looks great and i have a similar camera. but i want the aperture priority mode for this purpose
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>>3965994
If youre using old expired film yea, the new stuff just needs to be rinsed
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>>3966067
>do you guys use proper light meters or just the one inbuilt into your camera?
if i had one built into my camera, id probably use it every time.
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i fucking hate external meters
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So what is a good "pocketable" medium format?
I have something similar to this (same Foldex brand just a later model) but was wondering if there was something more modern with a faster lens and more shutter options
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>>3966134
are you stupid?
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>>3966067
>>3966141
You'll never match TTL metering from your camera body with an external meter. That's why it completely changed the industry after it was developed.

I picked up an old Zenit B camera for the Helios 44-2 lens attached to it, but I'm tempted to shoot a few rolls with it just for funsies. The need for an external meter is holding me back, even though I have one.
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>>3966162
He's a troll. No way someone can be this dumb
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>>3966160
you can't put a medium format camera in your pocket unless you're an egg shaped russian kid with a rape jacket
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>>3966173
>No way someone can be this dumb
there are some severely disfuctional people who post on this board. they don't read. i think they just make things up and type them into the internet
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>>3966175
how did you get this picture of georgios
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>>3966163
im not sure what you just said but external metering slows me down a lot
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>>3966180
Some of like to wear hoodies.

>>3966173
Do you seriously get your film developed still? You're being scammed to hell and back.
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>>3966180
I literally do though
Not fitting a keiv slr or anything but folding models like the foldex fit
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>>3966202
are you fat
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>>3966160
Fuji GA645Zi, Mamiya 6
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>>3966209
>pocketing a mamiya 6
holy shit man you fat
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>>3966214
6’ 2” 185 but ok
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>>3966217
why are you wearing fat people clothes
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>>3966209
>Fuji GA645Z
Too rich for my blood
>Mamiya 6
Few models under this name but the older ones are much better priced and have more what I want
Thanks anon

Also lmao at the skinny jean wearing anon
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>>3966218
Your last three posts have been about fat people anon, go get some exercise.
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They got Fuji 400h 120 5 packs at 50 bucks here where I live. Should I stock them up? Already bought 5 5x packs, thinking about buying 5 more....
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>>3966180
6x6 and even 6x9 folders fit in jean pockets
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Alright, I'm dead broke but want to get into 35mm photography, from my research my best option would be to go thrifting looking for a cheap functioning SLR or sniping auctions on ebay.

Is there any like cheap solid model I should be looking for on auction sites and similar places, my budget is literally as low as you can go and in terms of functions, I don't need anything fancy, manual everything is fine with me, I just need something to learn on.

From my understanding a lot of people go with black and white film due to the relative ease and so lower cost of developing the film at home compared to sending it off to a film lab especially in the long term, and buying older, potentially expired film can reduce the cost even further.

Just wanted to make sure my assumptions where correct and to see if you guys have any recommendations.

Might be also partially doing this because I bet against a friend that I could get higher quality images from a cheap film camera than you could get from those shitty point and shoot digital cameras you find in every pawn shop and do so cost effectively.
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>>3966224
You’re gonna get swallowed by MF film and dev prices if you think $1000 is too much. Not trying to be mean just saying.
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>>3966338
EOS 300 can be had for 30 bucks and fits any ef lens
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>>3966343
Wow thanks this seems like exactly what I'm looking for
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>>3966339
I'm well aware mf isn't cheap
I have a local place that will develop for $6 a roll for color and like 30 cents for each print, so that makes it more palatable
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>>3966372
$6 development probably isn’t worth $6 but godspeed anon. Shooting film in 2021 isn’t a value proposition.
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>>3965390
Looks like a silent movie. Really cool
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>>3966047
why do people put voightlanders on these instead of the leica summicrons they are meant to replace and which are priced similarly on the used market?
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>>3965438
I liked the way this one came out

Is the top lopsided because of distortion or did I accidentally get some of the clear film in the projection? Too late now to go up to the attic to check

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Pentax K100

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>>3966489
How do I clean my camera? How do I not make it worse?

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>>3966497
what's wrong with it
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>>3966338
>from my research my best option would be to go thrifting
definitely bro. just spend an afternoon checking out some spots in town. most places don't know what they're selling and you can get some really cool stuff for just a few bucks. lots of point and shoots if you just wanna dip your toes in, too.

i bought 2 pentax slrs and a bunch of nice takumar lenses from a pawn shop for about 50 bucks, so thats an option too
x4xsy

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why do my pictures look so shit compared to the stuff I see on here and reddit?

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>>3966184
Of what?
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>>3966555
lens and/or scanning process
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>>3966560
A lot of my pictures are blurry

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>>3966562
They are also sideways. This one looks moved, I think you used too low a shutter speed for handheld shooting. If you don't give more info on how your pics were taken, though, there isn't much we can do.
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>>3966566
Yeah, handheld shooting. I don't know if the light sensor is broken or if it's supposed to be like that, but it feels like the camera selects a slow shutter speed, even in well lit rooms. The camera selects 1/30 in a well lit room, I didn't pay much attention on it when I took the pictures. Quite an expensive realization.
What shutter speeds should I use for handheld shooting? I heard that anything above 1/90 is good for handheld shooting.
I am using a EOS500 with Kodak Ultramax 400.

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>>3965389
love it
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>>3966570
>What shutter speeds should I use for handheld shooting? I heard that anything above 1/90 is good for handheld shooting.
Depends on your lens. On a 50mm, 1/60 or faster is good, on a 100mm you'll want 1/125 at least, etc.
A well lit room can be pretty dark for 400 ISO, human eyes are really good at capturing light. Learn how the aperture triangle works and how to use your camera. And start fixing the orientation when you post.
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>>3966570
Your pics look like they're all taken in low light. If you're not shooting in bright daylight then your camera's automatic exposure settings are going to select slower shutter speeds and wider apertures. Try using shutter priority mode and manually setting the shutter speed to something that's not blurry. But night pictures like this may be impossible without faster lens and film.

like >>3966595 said, the general rule for handheld shutter speed is at least 1 divided by the focal length of the lens. below that will be too hard to hold steady without a tripod. higher is preferable. you can also practice techniques to hold the camera steadier like picrel
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>>3965389
what did you do to get this effect? print ot on an ink jet printer then scan it again
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>>3965392
all of these look great
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>>3966555
Judging by this photo alone, you have no meaningful grasp of composition or exposure. I’m sure that’s not true though, and this just a bad example. Here’s what I recommend:
>Shoot a roll of film trying to do everything perfect/by the book. This means loading the film carefully into a clean camera, finding a single subject for every photo, composing every photo using known “rules” instead of what might look cool in the moment, using a dedicated light meter for EVERY SINGLE EXPOSURE, setting exposure carefully, using a tripod anytime your shutter speed goes below 1/250, recomposing with your exposure set,and release the shutter with a sense of finality (don’t hesitate/squeeze the shit out of your camera/jerk your head away immediately afterward). Write down settings used for every exposure so you can go over it later.
>send the film to a lab that yields consistent results, and buy prints from them as well. Yeah, developing and scanning your own film is better in just about every single way, but if you’re asking why your photos suck I doubt you’re capable of making a good contact sheet/print, which is important for troubleshooting why your photos suck. You can keep doing your own developing and scanning, but send this roll away to reduce variables until you’re confident the problem lies in either the developing or scanning process.
>go through your whole roll of prints, systematically setting aside everything that looks like total shit. At the end you should have a pile of photos you know to be total shit, and a pile of photos with enough things right to save them. There are probably no good photos in either pile, and there are certainly no great photos in either pile. Look through both piles and think about what makes each photo belong to its respective pile. What could be done to move it into the other one.
>repeat this process until there is no pile of total shit.
If you do this, you will learn. Stop avoiding the fundamentals.
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>>3966595
You can get away with a few speeds slower than recommended if your camera doesn't vibrate much. I can get away with shooting 1/30 and even 1/15 on my Leica M6 with a 50mm.
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>>3966570 (this one seems to be in focus)
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>>3966555
low res scans+out of focus+not using a tripod while shooting that slow
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I just got a canon 2x-b extender, I know this also doubles the apeture as well, but will I have to manually account for this? or will it still work in auto mode?
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>>3966709
1/250 floor is aggressive
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>>3966839
Exactly, inconvenience is a central theme in the recommended exercise. The issue it addresses stems from a disregard for photography as a systematic process.
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>>3966826
I can't say for sure but the way that it passes through the aperture tabs means it very likely should work.
I have a Minolta MD 2× converter and it does the same thing, forwarding the aperture position to the camera.
Besides, the image will get 2 stops darker so it should work in AE regardless.
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>look at gear reviews of vintage gear on youtube videos from 2010
>says you should be able to pick one up for $600
>check eBay
>$1700+
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>>3966709
>using a tripod anytime your shutter speed goes below 1/250
do you have cerebral hypoplasia
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>>3966709
>do everything perfect/by the book. This means loading the film carefully into a clean camera
what the fuck for? this is worthless advice
>finding a single subject for every photo
yes do this
>using a dedicated light meter for EVERY SINGLE EXPOSURE, setting exposure carefully
okay you're getting fatter again
>using a tripod anytime your shutter speed goes below 1/250
fat
>recomposing with your exposure set,and release the shutter with a sense of finality
dude CALM THE FUCK DOWN
>Write down settings used for every exposure so you can go over it later
tell me you have adhd without telling me which drugs you're on
>developing and scanning your own film is better in just about every single way, but if you’re asking why your photos suck I doubt you’re capable of making a good contact sheet/print, which is important for troubleshooting why your photos suck
bro im seething. you're making me seethe my pants
>you do this, you will learn
no you will be autistic
>Stop avoiding the fundamentals
okay fatass
>>3966555
anon your photo is basic as fuck nobody gives a shit about stupid walking paths but now you that you've taken this photo you don't ever have to take it again you can avoid it every time you're tempted to take it because you know what happens now
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>>3966648
no bro, I just scanned it and recovered the shadows. I shot it at 100 ISO f/3.5 at night
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>>3966995
crazy. i guess i could try shooting film in the dark one day. never done it. the contrast is good and the tree branch in the foreground is nuts the way its glowing and steals focus. i would have sex with this photo.
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>>3966995
actually i woulkdn't and im not but its interesting
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>>3966338
>I'm dead broke but want to get into 35mm photography
i would probably be trying to save money if i were dead broke, honestly. film is expensive.
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Best photos from the recent roll of ProImage 100

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>>3966996
that’s the magic of 1+100 stand development

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>>3967039
im guessing those are light leaks?
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>>3966555
Just out of interest, which lens was this taken on? Pentax?
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>>3967041
No, I accidentally bent the negative and somehow it was sticky.

The incredible thing about stand development is that you can basically shoot 5 stops under or 5 stops over and with a bit of help from your scanner software or lightroom you will have workable negatives. I purposefully went out with a 125 ISO roll at dawn to test its capabilities and most shots were done at 800 ISO or 1600 ISO

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>>3966570
In which city was this taken?
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>>3966974
I did some looking and it seems it does auto account for the added stops because the lightmeter is TTL. I was just a little confused because, for example on my 50mm f/1.8 at 2x now becomes 100mm f/3.6, but does that mean the lens physically can't go below 3.6? or does that mean it still *can* go as wide as 1.8, but the added 2 stops gets shifted to the shutter speed?
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>>3967039
my stand developed images don't look like this it seriously look like you took a picture of the negative with a phone which is respectable in my opinion
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>>3966994
>what the fuck for? this is worthless advice
>anon your photo is basic as fuck nobody gives a shit about stupid walking paths
My advice addresses the “basic as fuck” issue by imposing an almost abusive-father amount inconvenience. As an exercise, shooting as recommended would help Anon learn to not waste his own time with snapshits. It’s not a recommended way to take photos in general. Anon has no idea why he taking photos. I gave him the best suggestion I could for delving into that problem so he can solve it for himself, with his own photos.
I don’t have ADHD or autism , I don’t use drugs, and I’m not fat. I was just trying to be helpful.
>bro im seething. you're making me seethe my pants
I don’t think you need to…we could have been friends…
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>>3967097
anon, I just scanned it badly, the negatives are pretty fine

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>>3967121
I didn't find any of it excessive, it's SOP for a photography course and thoughtful, methodical compositions using a tripod and copious notes are how you improve. When people talk about film making one a better photographer, that's why.

Cargo cultists think it's a magic box and that a spontaneous act produces a good final image when the reality is that it's witchcraft. They copy the material but not the ritual components and fail to penetrate the Mystery. Their praxis is void and it shows in their work.
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>>3967152
you're posting like you need to be good at it before you even start though.
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>>3967157
To focus on the aesthetic, you must first understand and eliminate the technical and work from terra firma towards your own terra incognita. Photography is a craft and a science as much as an art and controlling your variables is the heart of the scientific method. That anyone would have issue with making focus on composition easier and problems easier to fix is concerning. I've noticed this touches a nerve in all the amateur arts and is the first thing beaten out of you in the atelier.
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I bought two packs of the same type of photographic paper.

One is 10cm x 15cm, and the other is 24cm x 30cm.

Can I make test prints with the 10x15 and when I figure out the correct exposure times and aperture, just resize the projection and use the same settings on a bigger paper?
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>>3967217
No. The intensity of light decreases with distance according to the inverse square law. At the very least, you'd have to resize and use a test strip to match the exposure unless you really like math.
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>cut 120 fomapan 100 down to 16mm
>respooled a 110 cartridge in the dark bag
>shot it with my pentax 110 auto
>took the cartridge apart and loaded the film onto the 110 developing reel, put it in the paterson tank, all in the dark bag
>developed 5min in ilfosol 3

The film is pitch black, can't really see where a frame begins or ends. Was this just a dumb big light leak somewhere in the process?

Wasn't fun at all, fiddly as fuck. I really want it to work though.

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>>3967225
this makes sense.

thanks!
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>>3967313
I just remembered, some enlargers have a conversion ruler on the stand. If it does, check the manual for how to use it.
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Went down to Brown County State Park and took some fall photos. Enjoy.
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>>3967549
Last one. Thanks for looking.
Shot on Ektar 100 with my Nikon F5+16-35mm f/4.
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just wanted to tip anyone off who didnt know about this, 12 rolls of film for 5 bucks.

Its probably some old kodak gold or fuji c200 but its too cheap to pass up.

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/1005003261603611.html
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>>3967555
It looks like its 12 exposures for 5 bucks shipping from poland is only 3.
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>>3967560
Says 18 on the roll so thats what im guessing. The shipping from china is also free for me while the polish shipping is upwards 30 bucks.
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>>3967561
Im retarded, thats 18 din, not exposures lmao i need to go to bed.

Anyway ill check back here and tell yall how the film is next year when i receive my order.
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>>3967562
Good luck, its not as cheap as you think. In burgerland i can get 108 exposures for $20
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>>3967563
He lives in a flyover country
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Any discounted film deals online this black friday weekend?
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>>3967121
>My advice addresses the “basic as fuck” issue by imposing an almost abusive-father amount inconvenience
i feel like focusing on the sterile details of getting an exposure right would produce even more constrained basic results. my advice to newbs is to experiment more, don't shoot take the same shot twice, figure out what you want to say with the medium. you will figure out how to get a proper exposure and find compositions if you're paying attention
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>>3967133
they look good in any case. i dig the grainy bad scan look
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>>3967171
>Photography is a craft and a science
the technicals of film photography really aren't hard. going for clinical perfection with film is fine if that's your thing but it shouldn't be THEE thing, because in itself it's uninteresting and pointless. people don't talk about great photographs in terms of mastery of the exposure triangle.
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>>3967212
this is perfect. the dust and all.
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>>3967217
as >>3967225 said. maybe try using the test strip method instead? expose a small part of the projection to a small strip of photo paper
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>>3967563
180 exposures for 5 bux isnt cheap?
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>>3967503
Haven't noticed it on my Meopta. I will check in the booklet.
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>>3967601
nigga, it's 5 bucks for ONE roll of 18 exp
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>>3967555
It's 5 bucks for a roll of 12 exposures, not 12 rolls. They offer rolls of 8, 12 or 18 exposures, and none of them are a good deal.
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>>3967620
I bought 12 rolls and i was charged 5 bucks
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>>3967621
ahaha no i cant read its totally 12 exposures, lol thats an expensive fuckin film
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>>3967293
did it again but more carefully, this time it worked
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why in the retarded idiot fuck did they put the strap lugs on the FRONT of the camera?

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>>3967670
The filmstrip is like 15mm wide, slightly too narrow to properly hold in my 110 scanning mask. Just test roll kind of shots, but I'm so relieved I managed to get pictures out this time.

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>>3967670
jfc lmao you animal
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>>3967555
there aren't any cheap chinese alternative film stocks. they use the same film we do over there. sometimes someone will import 100 ft rolls of shit and then sell hand-loaded cartridges at a price slightly cheaper than retail.

film photography is a corpse.
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>>3967712
It's very common (universal?) to put the mount points on the front. I guess to balance the body/lens better. If they were on the sides, the camera would tend to point down and dig in with a larger lens.
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>>3967744
interesting theory but i don't think that's true. it isn't a camera designed for giant lenses. the framelines for the longest focal length here is 90mm.
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>>3967588
I never said it was hard, it's piss easy compared to painting. What matters is consistent procedure so you can figure out where you fucked up. Knowing what placing a shadow in zone III with a given film will look like or what f/4 will do to the background at a given focal distance comes from taking notes. It's fiddly work but it pays off quickly. Doubly so with filters and flash.

I'm not much of a fan of methodical tripod work myself but the results speak for themselves compared to shaky, wide open handheld shots in poor light. Have some respect for yourself and the medium, meter your photos, use a tripod when needed, and dust your negatives at the very least. Like I also said, it isn't some spontaneous act of creativity aided by a magic picture box like cargo cultists and newfags think it is. It's fucking work and you either like the work or like making excuses for why your work is shit.
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>>3967744
in fact if you put one of the more common lenses to pair with this camera it will dig into your side because it points up since the strap lugs are on the goddamn front of the camera. its a common complaint about an otherwise nearly-perfect camera
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>>3967748
cool. i just think his photo sucked because it was boring as fuck not because it was underexposed. its the sort of photo you take when you're playing with your camera and have nothing to photograph.
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>>3967750
A fringe benefit is after the first roll of doing everything right, you can't be bothered to take newb photos. Popping a meter reading is enough to keep the lens cap on.
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The downside is that it's all student work from there.
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any cheap film discounts this weekend?
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>>3967723
cool spyshit anon, go request some blueprints at city hall and snap away
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Anyone tried the Praktica B cameras?
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Why does slide film produce such blue skies?
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Just a memory from my younger years. Photo from around 2008. Scanned from print. Fuji Superia 400, Spotmatic & 28/3.5 Macro Revuenon. I liked this cheap plastic lens a lot.

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>>3967869
Solid cameras, but they don't have the autistic shutter position so are they even really Prakticas?
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>>3967552
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>>3967538
Rock Glen?
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>>3967893
Nah, Brown County State Park near Nashville, Indiana!
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>>3967882
I still think they count
the Prakticar 50/1.4 is sweet. It makes me wish Zeiss released a new Pancolar formula lens
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Hey hey - I live in Germany and I was thinking about maybe selling some prints but I have no idea where I'd get my photos printed in a quality that would be good enough so I could sell them. My final goal is to make my own darkroom prints but I don't have the money or know-how for that atm. Any recommendations are appreciated.
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>>3967590
yeah that's what I'm gonna do.
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>>3968143
Bogos binted?
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>>3967171
you talk like a fag and your shits all fucked
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>>3968204
Jah. Binting of de bogos.
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Has anyone dealt with Arax? I know everyone says they're great and are the people to send Kievs to for servicing but just wondering if anyone here has any first-hand accounts.

Gonna have to send in my 6C for servicing and to be rebuilt.
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some more prints

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>>3968377
this one got cat'd pretty bad but it's not as apparent irl

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what point and shoot should i get?
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>>3968380
get the olympus af-1, lovely little camera
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Accidentally dropped my Olympus Zoom 2000 :(

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>>3968388
is this edited?
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what the fuck bros

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>>3968143
Give Aldi Fotos a try. It doesn't say where they were printed on the back of the photo. I have had bad experiences with the photo machines you typically find at Rossman or DM. Noticeable shifts especially in blue and cyan tones and an unacceptable amount of blemishes on the prints.
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>>3968523
You can buy a 5 pack of porta for $65 from bh brainlet.
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Somebody know why mju seris is getting too overpriced?, i have a mju ii zoom 80 and is trash, some horrendous halo lights on the corners in most photos

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>>3968550
You could have bought the good one
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>>3968552
i saw the flickr group of this camera and every photo had this problem
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>>3968550
Idk what you expected from a point and shoot.
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>>3968550
>mju seris is getting too overpriced
only the one with the 2.8 lens. the zoom 80 you have shouldnt be more than $25.
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>>3968555
No I meant the good mju
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>>3968525
I usually get small prints for my personal family albums with ever roll I get developed. I was thinking about making bigger (A4~) prints to sell them. I'd feel kinda dumb selling Aldi prints desu.
But I agree on the DM prints. Got some prints of digital photos a while back and they were blurry and off-colour.
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>>3968143
You have to be like a real photog and go through a local print shop, then mount and matte it yourself at the very least.
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Is there a site like gsmarena but for cameras?
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>>3968645
dpreview?
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>>3968646
No, don't think that's exactly what he was looking for.

>>3968645
Try DXOMARK
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hi im like a total noob when it comes to photography but i just got this bad boy at a local shop for cheap. Is there anything i should do outside of experimentation and reading the manual?

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>>3968655
Nah, just go and take pictures and try to have fun
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>>3968415
nope.

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what should a beginner start with
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>>3968682
A manual SLR and kodak gold.
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>>3968682
Seconding this
basic lens like a 50mm f2 or something not too hard as well, go from there
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Just shot a few flowers at dusk around home on some Velvia 100F with a 55 3.5 on my 6x7

Hoping they turn out okay but who knows haha
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>>3968663
How does it feel to pay 13$ for an effect that can be recreated or reversed in a few clicks?

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>>3968689
makes me feel like I should give $13 to a vtuber today

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>>3968523
Film on Amazon is almost always ridiculously overpriced
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>>3968689
>>3968732
>>3968663

so blurry
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>>3968732
Looks a bit like Metropolis to me, same odd color rendition

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>>3968689
because it's cool that you can do it with a physical medium, you can do a lot of wacky things digitally sure but photos that develop in wild colors on a real roll of film is cool. it's fun, like hobbies are supposed to be.
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>>3968821
Lool nice
>>3968739
Ty for feedback, I made a 40 photo roll dump thread and got one reply asking for the film type.

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>>3968826

surely they asked in order to know what film to avoid

I appreciate what Lomography is doing to help keep film alive but goddamn their shit is uggo.
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>>3968834
>"THAT'S THE POINT!!!!!"
lomo 800 is cool though
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>>3968858
what are you quoting?
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>>3968859
people that defend lomochrome purple and similar
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>>3968863
God forbid having some fun ever
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>>3968834
I think it was velvia 50 iirc. Hadn’t bought the purple roll yet.

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I just want an autofocus Mamiya 7 so bad bros
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>>3968377
that's a good photo
>>3968378
that's not a good photo
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>>3968388
im sorry anon :(
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>>3968994
i appreciate your opinion.

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>>3968976
theres a Mamiya 7ii kit with I think 3 lenses at one of my local stores, pretty nice condition

they want 13k NZD (9kUSD) for it
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>>3969008
Yeah I won’t be surprised if my 7 ever hits 5 figures. Wild to think about.
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>>3969009
im amazed at the price I paid for my 6x7 in august still, theres a body up for auction in working order with nothing wrong with it for like 240usd and im temtped just to have a backup or something

MF prices have been wild

Kinda looking at trying to snag a Fuji GX680iii or something before the youtube tax hits them
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>>3969014
Lol you’ll have plenty of time on the GX
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>>3969016
Its a really cool system, just wanna get in early before the ones with good condition bellows disappear
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vintage gear tends to be priced according to its rarity
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>>3965317
I use 110 in a Minolta Autopak 460TX and it costs about a buck per picture after developing. It's simpler than other formats and just fun to shoot
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>>3967712
>he fell for the bessa meme
jesus man..
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>>3969023
What cope level is this?
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>>3969031
what's wrong with the bessa? they seem great. if you wanted a rangefinder with AP, what else would you buy?
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Former apsc body and current mirrorless ff user here and I've recently been having the itch to shoot film on the side. Would greatly appreciate the nudge in the right direction.
Plan is to do b&w snapshits on the streets and occasional portraits of friends for fun but not sure where to start. Looking at current listings online in my region I see either cams like AE1 or much cheaper little ones that say "reusable focus free film camera"
Is focus free simply point and shoot/auto focus? Pic related is one such cheapo offering around 28usd and I've seen others appx $30~40 range 35mm
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>>3969042
Focus free means everything beyond X meters will be in focus, and no way to focus closer. The aperture will be pretty closed (f/11) to allow for this. X is typically 2, 3, 5 meters or something like that, usually you have to figure it out by trial and error.
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You can get an actually decent AF point and shoot for the same price. If thats what you are after check out the canon sure shot line. They will be much better than the fixed focus shitters
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>>3969047
>>3969042
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>>3969043
Thanks for the explanation and
>>3969047
Thank you for the suggestion. I'm browsing amazon as I leave this post.
No idea why I thought they'd be ridiculously priced. I would've explored film sooner
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>>3969051
ebay or mercari will be a lot cheaper than amazon for film cameras
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>>3969033
it's true you God damn dumbass why is it a cope it's just a fucking objective fact who are you why don't you stop parroting the stupid catchphrase it doesn't even make sense the way you use it
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>>3969066
Its not the one rule. Sure it affects things like a Nikon SP black and a 1.1 or an ALPA 11A with emblem but prices rise for RZ67 IIs and 7s not due to rarity as so much as quality and hype.
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Hello.
Someone is offering a pair of Mamiya lenses for what seems like a great price (140mm f4 macro and 70mm f2.8) with an adapter for my digital camera for 400usd.

That got me into considering film medium format instead of just digital.

Are RB67 good cameras overall? Should I look into other MF interchangeable lens cameras instead? It would be fun to share lenses among both systems, contax 645 body's seem ludicrously expensive.
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>>3965163
I just got a hold of my great grandfathers medium format folding camera. A franka Rolfix. It seems to function as designed. I have heard aperture below 11 is not a good idea, you can close it to 32. I have seen some people using 100 speed film. Seems like a bad idea.

Does anyone recommend film for it? Should I just get porta 400 like the kids do these days.
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Does Olympys Trip 50 AF really care about if the film is ISO100 or 400? It has 2 DX-pins sensing contacts S3 and S4 but even when I try to fool it with tin foil, it will always use flash even pointed directly to the light source.

Camera has only one shutter speed, 1/100. Not sure if aperture is also locked to f/5.6. If aperture doesn't respond to light changes and flash always fire, why the earth that camera has DX contacts?
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>>3969113
Even for a very old lens, f/11 and smaller only seems excessive. Shoot it wide open for the s o v l.
Unless that advice is because it uses a 'lol just guess' focus system so you're likely to miss unless you are very very good at judging distances.
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Just got a working Olympus Trip AF Super for a single cent on ebay and a Samsung Slim Zoom 115 S Panorama for £15 as my first P&S. What am I in for lads? Got the latter since I really wanted a panorama camera.
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>>3969126
An actual Olympus camera (contrast with Olympia cameras, etc) wouldn't have DX pins and autoexposure without doing something with the DX stuff. Generally 100ISO mode is for slides btw, colour neg film don't give a crap about two stops overexposure.
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>>3969113
F11 or F16 is fine for medium format with no rangefinder. You know the sunlight, ISO100, F16, 1/100s thing...
If you want to shoot wide open with ISO400 film you need to nail the focus and with get correct exposure with max 1/250s shutter speed.
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>>3969126
>Unless that advice is because it uses a 'lol just guess'

it has the ability to focus, but you need to judge range. yes. Hence why people shoot at small apertures.

>>3969148
I never heard of the sunny 16 rule. cool. i think ektar 100 is the way to go.
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is fungus looking stuff and dust a non issue if i can only see it with the flashlight test?
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>>3969212
the dust is a non issue but the fungus will grow so you can clean it now or when it gets worse whatever.
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>>3969213
right on. i’m not even sure it is fungus desu.
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>>3969212
I hear there are some fungus types that can eat away lens coatings or even etch into the glass but I haven't encountered any from my experience on cleaning lenses so far.
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What makes a film camera produce sharp photos?
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>>3969263
youtube videos about the camera
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>>3969212
>>3969213
>>3969254
my wife's grandfather passed down a camera to us that has some sort of corrosion or fungus at the top of the prism, very annoying but it doesn't affect the photos.
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>>3969280
yeah but the image isn’t going through there
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Anyone have any good guides on painting/repainting cameras?
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>>3969263
range finders plus mamiya glass basically
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>>3969350
Mamiyas are over hyped and over valued.
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So I'm out of color film and I'm only set up for c-41 dev.

All I have are three rolls of this useless shit but I'm bored.

I heard you can develop it in a mix on instant coffee and washing soda

any truth to this?
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>>3969354
poorfag cope. there is NOTHING like a mamiya 7 when it comes to film
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>>3969356
Yeah but most recipes add ascorbic acid to speed up the process and reduce fog. Also there is a somewhat higher risk of fogging.
Search for "caffenol" on the internet.
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>>3969357
post YOUR mamiya 7 then
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>>3969356
You can definitely also use c41 developer on it, and the fixer if it's separate to the bleach.
You just need to use 20C rather than 38C for temp, and extend your dev time to compensate. High temps will strip the emulsion right off BW film.
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>>3969358
>>3969358
Cooooool. Reading now and no one can seem to come to a consensus on a replacement for fixer.

Aquarium de-chlorinator is being suggested.
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>>3969372
Thats mainly because fixer is so cheap. Sodium thiosulfate/hypo/antichlor works well but there isn't a significant financial benefit unless you shoot like 100 films/month and buy it in 50lb packs, and rapid fixer is 2-3x as fast
For a start, try 15g+450ml Water, fix for 30 mins. This should last for three films or so but don't store it for more than a month and always fix a test strip in parallel. Shelf life of the working solution can be extended by adding disulfite, then higher concentrations of hypo can be used, meaning it will be faster and last for more films.
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>>3969291
of course, just thought I'd share my adjacent experience.
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>>3969431
ah gotcha
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>>3969431
keep an eye on it though, fungus will spread. less so now that it's probably being kept in a better location but still.
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>>3969084
man you don't understand basic economics everything is priced according to rarity but vintage gear is more so because it is constricted in its supply and gets squeezed
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>>3969350
>range finders plus leica glass basically
fixed
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>>3967552
Thank you for posting anon

>>3967538
This one is my favorite.
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>>3968523
stop using amazon for film
please stop using it for anything else as well
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haha
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Some of my shots came out kind of green. Were they underexposed or what?

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Yeah I'm thinking I should have over exposed to get everything that wasn't the water and sky to be exposed right.

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>>3965389
do you also like sun kil moon anon
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>>3969752
this. no reason to give more money to one of the richest companies in the world when you could be giving a bigger cut to a private seller on a different website usually for a better price too
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>>3969904
>>3969946
underexposed but also, were you using like.... expired gold 200?
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Do I need to use distilled water for rinse if I use a surfactant like photo flo?
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>>3969957
Exactly. I just bought a 3 pack of color film on ebay at a price that's obviously much better than amazon and also even competitive with B&H photo, for example. I haven't bought a thing from amazon in 3 years and I don't plan to ever again.
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>>3969985
Yeah colorplus so even worse.
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>>3969986
if you have clean tap water you dont need anything
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does anyone have any instant film takes they wanna share? i always see the new cameras on facebook marketplace for like $60 at most and the polaroids tarkovsky took look really nice
>>3969986
not at all
>>3970003
yeah i underexposed a bunch of shots on a roll of kodak gold once and they looked pretty identical
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>>3970014
*expired kodak gold
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>>3970014
I don't know how he managed to take those...

My experience with Polaroid is very... aleatoric?

Do you have more control with something like the SX-70 compared to a 600 series camera?
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Has anyone tried developing multiple (2-5) reels of film at a time using the agitation stick instead of inversions? Work at a mini-lab and I'm a bit weary that the stick won't do the job but would love to use it if it's possible
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Has anyone had success with scanning Kodak Colorplus? I've tried using Silverfast and Vuescan with both the Canon 9000F II and Epson V500 and they always end up looking worse than shit. inb4 don't use a flatbed
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>have an EOS-1 from my dad
>like the film results + I can use my EF lenses, but I rarely bring it out because it's so similar to my 5D Mark III that I just bring the latter instead

what's the GOAT point-and-shoot or a light-sized film SLR that isn't a brick like the EOS-1
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>>3970141
Pentax MZ-3
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>>3970141
I love my t4 but it sounds like you want a SLR if you’re having fun with a SLR.
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>>3970141
sounds like you want a rangefinder, look for a canonet
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>>3970142
Never knew this existed, looks kind of based. I'm in the process of selling my Contax G1 and have an assortment of k mount glass already, this would be the perfect replacement. The dials and buttons look almost identical to a G1.
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Fuji Discovery 1000 Zoom 35-80mm


OR

Olympus Infinity Superzoom 3500 35-120mm
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Looking to pick up a film camera for Christmas as a complete beginner, wanted to get an Olympus AZ-230 or should I go for an AE-1 or another beginner cam?
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>>3970243
OM-1, AE-1, A-1 anything without an Automatic Mode, to force you to get used to full manual without cheating.
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>>3970204
I mean look at this thing, how is this not a complete animorphs of G1 if it was an SLR

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>>3970302
Pentax's AF SLRs don't get nearly enough love. The MZ-3 was the predecessor to the MZ-S. It's small because Pentax wanted to retain the layout and compactness of their classic manual focus bodies
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does cold weather impact film and the resulting photos in any significant way? thinking temps of about -5C to -20C
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>>3970470
I was just shooting some Fomapan 200 yesterday in -9°C weather. Camera was a Leica M7, got well and truly cold enough to need gloves for operating. No trouble, film didn't break, but I didn't reach the end either; the roll is a bulk load in a plastic cartridge.

Film's properties are such that if the camera works and exposes the film correctly, cold weather doesn't affect the result at all. It can be cold-stored, remember. Just don't bring it from cold to warm and let it dew over, that'll be bad; same rules as photo gear in the cold really.
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>>3970472
ok thanks. been shooting colormax and superia xtra with my trusty MX in about -10 to 15 C the last few days, never shot in the cold before
today i caught a deer eating rowanberries off of my lawn, hope i got a good shot before it flew off
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I'm going to make viewmaster reels for which I need 12x16mm color reversal film so I'm thinking to get a half frame camera and photograph my monitor displaying pictures. I'll be using Ektachrome 100.
Good idea or any tips?
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>>3970488
I would be careful with advancing the film, Ive managed to get the only scratches ever on my MX by cranking it too briskly in the cold. Especially if you havent advanced it in a while.
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>>3970472
I store my film in a freezer and sometimes load my camera directly. Sometimes it dews over. What are the negative impacts of film canisters dewing over?
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>>3970129
Use epsonscan, doesn't matter, in color negative or in color reversal mode. Select the area you want to scan and set levels for each channel, so that the whole histogram is in between black and white points. Scan, then adjust as you want in photoshop. Works good for any film.
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Anyone getting the ilford advent calendar? I wanna know what's in it. It sure how it's worth the price unless its all delta 3200
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Tourist here, I have a question.
Can I know the type of film that a camera uses just by inspecting the camera? How? What to look for?

I met a guy that's selling an antique collection and I'd like to get a camera of his that supports the biggest film possible (bigger=better, right?). Something like 35mm is nice, as I know that scales well to 4K.
Sorry if any of this sounds retarded, but I really am not familiar with cameras of the technologies associated to them.
Resposted (and altered) from another thread.

Thank you for reading.
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>>3970682
just google the model name on your phone
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>>3970797
Will do. Thank you.
>>3970682
Anons in another thread have answered my questions. I'm (hopefully) getting my first film camera tomorrow. Sorry for the bother.
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>>3970805
not a bother, everyones just developing black and white nudes of their qt gf rn
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>>3970811
jej. I like this board already.
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the Yashica Electro 35 GL is fucking fantastic and I burn through film like crazy with this thing. The kerthunk of the shutter release is very satisfying. My only grip with it is

why in THE FUCK does it not have a focusing tab? Holy shit I cannot understate how useful they are when you want to be fast. WHY





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