is there a better forum or imageboard or online community for discussing photog than /p/? this board is too slow for me. anywhere other than reddit and instagram?[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeNIKON CORPORATIONCamera ModelNIKON D700Camera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic 9.2 (Macintosh)Maximum Lens Aperturef/1.7Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaColor Filter Array Pattern780Focal Length (35mm Equiv)50 mmImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution240 dpiVertical Resolution240 dpiImage Created2021:06:02 18:44:58Exposure Time1/800 secF-Numberf/8.0Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating200Lens Aperturef/8.0Exposure Bias-0.7 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo FlashFocal Length50.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBRenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlNoneContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormalSubject Distance RangeUnknown
>>3898935Pentax Forums if you're an abominable boomer retard is pretty good.
>>3898935>ThIs BoArD iS tO sLoW fOr MeThen post moreAnd please not such bullshit/thread
>>3898940you're suggesting that my complaint is invalid because I'm not enough of an activist? lmao[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeNIKON CORPORATIONCamera ModelNIKON D600Camera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic 9.2 (Macintosh)Maximum Lens Aperturef/2.8Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaColor Filter Array Pattern844Focal Length (35mm Equiv)28 mmImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution240 dpiVertical Resolution240 dpiImage Created2021:06:03 23:32:03Exposure Time1/400 secF-Numberf/3.2Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating400Lens Aperturef/3.2Exposure Bias-0.7 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length28.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBRenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlLow Gain UpContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormalSubject Distance RangeUnknown
>>3898935All the problems this board has and the slowness is the one that did it for you?
>>3898935PPH is a crutch.>>3898955This. Crutchposting comes to mind.
>>3898955yeah I don't mind most of the rest of it, I just like a place to read peoples thoughts and see what other random people are shooting. the nophotos, tripfags, fuji posters, gear threads dont really bother me that much, I tend to gloss over them.
>>3898959That place is even slower than /p/
After spending a lot of time on /mu/ I’d say I’d prefer slower posts where you can actually tell whose posting more or less and have some semblance of a community, rather than the same retarded zoomers posting the same shit over and over and over and goddamn over again. The amount of times I told those fuckers that /mu/core was supposed to be entry level. There are no filters on 4chan so more posts just mean a higher volume of bullshit.Anywhere else is going to be boomershit or zoomershit
>>3898935>this board is too slow for meAre you a cokehead or does your dopamine kick runs out quickly? This is probably the fastest photo-related site there is.
>>3898967>fuji postersI wonder who that is
>>3899019It only picks up when there is shit flinging in gear threads or autistic posting in isi threads, though.
>>3899065Same like in every other place, it's gear fights or fools catering to average individuals. Check DPR or Pentacks forums, it's gear discussion; look at other photo-posting places, it's simps and pretentious grifters.
>>3899019not endorsing reddit but pretty much any photography related subreddit is faster than this board. the only reason I'm on here is because I used to come to 4chan as a teen and I remember posting here when I was first getting into photography. I remember the board being much faster then, I was shocked to come back and see 10 day-old threads lingering in the catalog
>>3898935>anywhere other than redditWhy? Too stupid to figure out how to effectively use reddit?
>>3899231shhh, the very mention of the R word strikes fear and loathing in the the hearts of 4chantards. r/photography is pretty much the same as here, all gear fagging and trash, but without /p/s resident fuckwit (I heard he got banned). r/Casual_Photography has pictures but it is really slow.
>>3899177It's because general threads have brought the activity on this board to a screeching halt.
>>3899274You're wrong, though. General threads are the crutch of a board whose activity has been brought down to a screeching halt.
>>3899274The general and the isi threads are really the only reason to come here
>>3899273from what i've seen most of reddit is full of absolute garbage normie tier photos, other than r/analog>>3899352lol OP here and these are the threads I find extremely boring, I'm more interested in the sporadic niche threads
>>3899413>lol OP here and these are the threads I find extremely boring, I'm more interested in the sporadic niche threadsthats cool man have you tried /r/suicidemethods?
Sadly, I don't think there's decent conversations being had about photography almost anywhere. Photography is a marriage of science, technology and visual arts, but only the first two things get most/all of the attention. The latter category is an untapped well of interesting discussion, that people shy away from because "it's all subjective" or "there's nothing to say". It starts with simple questions like: why does anyone including myself take photos? What does the photos they take say about them, especially what they include or don't include? What possibly can I glean about their inner world and personal life just looking at their images? How effective are they at expressing themselves by using a camera? What in the images is interesting to me as the viewer? Are there any narratives to be constructed from viewing them? And so on. But people don't ask these questions; instead they take a glance at it, critique the immediate stuff like composition and subject (without going deeper), then spend a lot of energy on stuff like the exposure settings, or what camera was used to shoot it.
>>3899448The question of "what camera was used" may relate far more to technically impressive shots that you can get sometimes.When you see a picture in a nature magazine of a kingfisher bird emerging from the water with its catch in its claws, you ask the question "how did they capture that?", which is always a "what gear was necessary?" question.I often find that with a lot of photography that you see on display, the vast majority of it is either studio portraiture or outdoor available light portraiture.There was an outdoor photo exhibit in a park I went to the other week. Almost all of the portraits were posed or so fabricated, that it felt artificial.There were a handful of candids which were neat to look at, but ultimately, what pissed me off the most were these false colour photos of poppy plants and flowers. Oh look, it's an aqua poppy on a burgundy background. Haha, it's pop art... in a photography installation???I also saw some introduction to abject art a few weeks back. The example given was a photograph (on what looks like Kodak Porta) of some uncooked chicken and a doll without clothes.Hmm... yes... art.My photography mostly consists of (allegedly boring) landscapes, macro shots of plants and insects, cat photos (lmao), bird photos and the odd boat or ship. I sometimes also take architecture photos which I honestly love the look of most, but idk how many people think that stuff looks cool.
>>3899448you can find this discussion at literally any college campus or city with an art scene, anon. try going outside
>>3899512Is he supposed to just like, wander up and start talking?
>>3898935>this board is too slow for meAnd that's a good thingDo you want /p/ to turn into a shitposting board like /lit/? Any board with increased traffic turns to shit, just look at /an/ or /out/ now, they used to be good boards even 1 year ago.
>>3899541Saved.Sadly this board is no stranger to that process, redditors have poured in from everywhere and they kvetch at words like "newfag" because of them being "homophobic". They want to turn 4chan into the same thing that non-4chan is.
>>3899545Fuck off, newfag.
>>3899545you're not welcome here either
>>3899549Joke's on you, I haven't bothered with /pol/ in ages. You're trying to change the identity of 4chan instead of assimilating. There's tons of places that aren't like this, why don't you go there instead of trying to force your secondhand moralfagging on us?
>>3899541well I'm not a reactionary moron so this doesn't concern me and I don't agree with your analysis. that image is also hilarious
>>3899541different anon here loleing @ this image
>>3899552>/pol/nigger tries to call others newfagyou have to go back, redditor
>>3898935this is easily one of the best photography discussion spaces on the internetthe slowness is a feature not a bug
>>3899559>the slowness is a feature not a bugthis. /lit/ used to be a slow board, and people actually read books and discussed literature. They created some of the best literature infographics and reading lists on the internet. I miss the /lit/ of 10 years ago.Then at some point around 2015/2016 the /pol/niggers got tired of infesting /tv/ and decided to spill over to /lit/. Now nobody on /lit/ reads books, and any serious discussion threads get 2-3 bumped off by garbage /pol/-bait and garbage shitposting./p/ has managed to survive being flooded by newfags. I hope it stays this way.The slowness keeps away shitposters because they get bored quickly and leave. If this board moves any faster, it will quickly become ruined
>>3899522yeah. What the fuck did you think anon meant?
>>3899448this is literally shit I went over in my photo 1 class in hs. Granted, it was mostly about the technical aspects of a camera, but the assignments were always geared at exploring different styles of photography and different compositional questions, which only became more refined as I continued taking more classes. If you don't see these convos being had then you need to get outside more or you aren't as clever or insightful as you think you are
>>3899541> the classic "people grow up and move on with their lives"> other younger people who are different people and not the same ones as before join the community> this is cultural genocide on an image board
>>3899558Joke's on you, I was an /o/ilfag from the start.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Camera SoftwareGoogleImage-Specific Properties:Image Width750Image Height406
>>3899566> this is cultural genocide on an image boardand you're part of the problem, frognigger
>>3899569Seriously though. I can't remember a time where memes were as stale as they are now. It feels like living in an eternal ragecomic era.
>>3899565>>3899512Name three websites where this happens. Op asked about websites. >About different styles and composition Not what I was talking about, try reading things before responding next time.
>>3899413>other than r/analogLOL
>>3899273>/p/s resident fuckwitwho might that be?
>>3899559>this could be one of the best photography discussion spaces on the internet>the slowness is a feature not a bugFTFY
>>3899177Stay there then you homo, you forgot the most important thing of the old days but to be fair so did everyone else.
>>3899718>clinging to the good old days like a barnacle on the bottom of a faded old row boat left stranded on a forgotten stretch of beach.
>>3899274it's RPT that nearly killed /p/ in the past 3-4 yearsthough /p/ has gotten much better this past year, I'm seeing a lot more themed photo threads (clouds, landscape, B&W, architecture, etc.).The challenges thread are also nice
>>3899571>Seriously though. I can't remember a time where memes were as stale as they are now. It feels like living in an eternal ragecomic era.all the constant frog and basedjack spam makes me miss ragecomics tbqh
>>3899545>redditorsBeen here for a while and I can't understand why you all getting banned for shit posting/badmouthing/insulting people and passing it as "tough love" to get better makes you keep badmouthing reddit.
>>3899832I rarely get banned though, and never perma'd. Helps not being a spamming retard I guess. I criticize redditors because their faggotry sticks out like a sore thumb. Reddit is a site that rewards conformity by design. A site created to suppress unpopular opinions and boost popular ones. A site centered around having a well-conforming identity that mirrors that of the crowd. A nightmare. Imageboards are the opposite.
Yes and NoThis place is very much intended to be anonymous forum and losing out on exposure is one thing photographers hate the most
>>3899797I still don't really get your argument here.Like, just use the catalog?
>>3899583I'll give you one guess
>>3899936reddit was unironically great back in like 2006. Had a BBS/newsgroup feel that was very comfy. Shortly thereafter, the whole internet began to break. And now we have this unusable corporate two-minute-hate zoo that we use now. I'm very much looking forward to the meshnet or UHFnet or whatever winds up taking the place of this whole DARPA shithole, because it is fucking broken. I've thought about starting a photography something on ZeroNet but every time I consider it, I come to the realization that the best solution is to just stop using an internet altogether.
Claiming brand loyalty to a forum is retarded. There are always going to be people who like things you don't like and that do things in ways that you don't. I prefer to base my conclusions on as wide a variety of opinions as possible.The only real difference between Reddit and this place is that /p/ tolerates shitposting and abuse. Otherwise they are both mostly gear fagging. The only area where /p/ scores over reddit is that it easier to identify and hide the shit.
>>3900078Wrong ... again
>>3900085You're thinking of a club. They used to exist.
OP here, didn't intend to cause so much discourse on the state of the board or its flaws. Just was looking for recs of any other forums or social media sites you anons also frequent. I do enjoy elements of this board, partly due to old 4chan nostalgia and partially due to reading posts from anons with niche photographic interests or anons who live in far-away places who post photos, but on the whole I don't think this board is a great collection of posts or wisdom. Most people are nophotos and a lot of the photos posted are really quite bad. that's not to say I think I'm particularly talented, but I would ideally be reading or posting in a place where I could learn a lot from the community.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Image-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution240 dpiVertical Resolution240 dpiColor Space InformationsRGB
>>3900119Who would you say the best photographer around here is, OP, besides yourself of course?
>>3900123like I said I really don't think I am particularly good, I just don't think the average talent level of this board is much above "complete beginner" or "collects cameras but takes no photos", and I'd prefer to be on a forum where a lot of active photographers were posting photos. Also how would I answer that question on an anonymous image board? I remember there was a guy like 10 years ago who posted a lot of 35mm photos from travels through Asian countries and I really enjoyed his threads
>>3900125>Also how would I answer that question on an anonymous image board?As I suspected. You need to lurk moar and always did, and you weren't around 10 years ago so stop pretending.
>>3900125I think a lot of people who read /p/ feel the same.Conversation here is dominated by one particular nophoto poster who has nothing else to do all day apart from shitpost. A lot of people look at this and just think, why bother.
>>3900135What if OP is that guy, Anon?
>>3900140I'm not a nophoto obviously[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeNIKON CORPORATIONCamera ModelNIKON D600Camera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic 9.2 (Macintosh)Maximum Lens Aperturef/4.1Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaColor Filter Array Pattern844Focal Length (35mm Equiv)78 mmImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution240 dpiVertical Resolution240 dpiImage Created2021:05:14 15:21:32Exposure Time1/800 secF-Numberf/5.0Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating100Lens Aperturef/5.0Exposure Bias-1/3 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length78.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBRenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlNoneContrastHardSaturationHighSharpnessSoftSubject Distance RangeUnknown
>>3900142>>3900142oh you're that old fag from mainetry dpreview, you'll fit in there kekkums
>>3900140That guy knows who that guy is. He also knows that everyone else knows who he is. He revels in it, it is the only thing that gives his life meaning.
>>3900135>its just one guy[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Image-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width549Image Height558Scene Capture TypeStandard
>>3900142Nice shot bro
>>3900183why is it that lots of people think this? its like the opposite of a conspiracy lol
>>3900191Because he signs his posts, just like he did here >>3900183
>>3900143when I was on here long ago I didn't post photos so I doubt I'm who you're thinking of, I was a high schooler just getting started with 35mm>>3900180>>3900190thanks! its hard not to fall in a meme of just shooting the coastline where I am
>>3900198It's as if he wants people to know its him even while he's denying it
>>3900007are you new to /p/?there was a period of several years when gear threads and gear thread shitposts overran any photo threads. And any new photo threads would get pushed down because of the gear threads. Because of that newbies would learn to post only in the /rpt/, making /rpt/ a very fast general, but leaving the catalog empty of photo threads.I'm glad that we've reached enough momentum with posting photo threads that there are enough separately themed photo threads in the catalog now
>>3900209>I'm glad that we've reached enough momentum with posting photo threads that there are enough separately themed photo threads in the catalog now>weit's just isi, honestly.
>>3900264I don't really know if I'd call those threads productive to the board desu, no one else posts feedback in them, it's just an echo chamber. It's almost like she is using 4chan as file storage
>>3900267>no one else posts feedback in themPeople do, it just gets buried in an avalanche of shit posts. Also people can enjoy them with feeling the need to comment. We know isi's style and we know what to expect. People who don't like it can hide it with a simple click.
>>3900297>People who don't like it can hide it with a simple click.yeah, if you're like, supremely bad at 4chan.And there is no feedback in isi threads. There are simps, trolls, and the occasional unlucky retard who wanders in and tries to give meaningful feedback and is immediately shot down by the simps and then isi herself, who is fundamentally incapable of accepting that not only is she not the best photographer in history, but not even the best photographer on this board. And that's by a country mile.
>>3900319I don't think isi thinks that about herself, Anon, she's a big fan of that Thief guy's work as well. And that's by a city block.
>>3900319>herselfanon I have bad news for you
>>3900332He knows, Anon. He missed out.
>>3900085>reddit was unironically great back in like 2006. Had a BBS/newsgroup feel that was very comfy. Shortly thereafter, the whole internet began to break.2007 ruined everything
>>3900333 (checked)lol I see>>3900198>>3900183just one guy, q.e.d.
>>3900332Gender is performative, you fucking faggot. Life is literally so easy if you just listen to people instead of trying to skate uphill.
>>3899477what you are lamenting is the fact that photography has become accessible imo. it's not just a small circle of educated creatives publishing through an even smaller sphere of periodicals. it's ted next door taking pics of his cat, miriam of flowers, katrina of her tits in a bra for instagram and so on. technical feats and exclusive gear is merely an attempt to weed out the banality because at the end of the day almost all subjects except for heavily contrived studio work, are banal as people are capturing them 24/7 globally and publishing them round the clock thanks to digital photography and social media.
>>3900344hello isi (or is it one of his simps?)
>>3900354Could be anyone really, we all hate you.
>>3900357>we allyou're one person, schizo>>3900344if gender is performative, why can't you give birth?
>>3900344at this point you're just saving and spreading those sad >greentexts from Instagram pages, mate
>>3900358No really, you are loathed by all. Think about it, what is there to like about you?
>>3900365Who is he?
>>3900366You know, the resident fuckwit.
>>3900358>if gender is performative, why can't you give birth?so any woman that hasn't given birth yet is not a woman? pretty retarded example
>>3900368what's his name?
>>3900368Take your meds.
>>3900372>Have you got any other pictures that one is getting a bit long in the tooth
wtf happened to my thread :(guess i'll just go over to DPReview and try to navigate the web 1.0 interface
>>3900625Please don't come back, faggot.
>>3899745It's either that or being eaten by AIDS-ridden homo whales in a sea of piss and indian poo
>>3900085Digg used to be really comfy too, but then Kevin Rose decided to take out every good feature the website had in 2010.A lot of the user influx to Reddit was when that happened.
>>3900350So gear fags were the based ones after all?
>>3900085There's still some photo imageboards around but they are empty as in 5 users at the very most, the problem is no cohesive ongoing groups because a couple of guys will stop posting when they realize they are talking to the same anon with no real changes in content.Going to the ZeroNet is the same deal, you can get it going but getting the people to join in a sizeable manner is the tough part, people are addicted to always seeing new posts every hour.
>>3900350Photography being accessible doesn't bother me. People fetishizing consumer technology while passing it off as "I'm interested in cameras!", But all the while eschewing any meaningful discourse on photography itself, bothers me.>Damn near everything has been photographedIf you mean the raw subject matter maybe. But when I am out with my camera I seem to almost always be by myself with one, which means people aren't always shooting exactly what I am in terms of the exact subject in the exact place in the exact time of day.
>>3900703I took control of /p/ on 8kun but got permabanned the very next day for Fedpoasting on /pnd/ lol.
>>3900723>If you mean the raw subject matter maybe. But when I am out with my camera I seem to almost always be by myself with one, which means people aren't always shooting exactly what I am in terms of the exact subject in the exact place in the exact time of day.noooo everything has been photographed befoooooore nooooo the light is always the same tooo nooo I can't use my camera noooooo>People fetishizing consumer technology while passing it off as "I'm interested in cameras!"They're not people, Anon, those are cattle. We must create burgers.
>>3900728>I can't use my camera noooooKek, good point. It's like nophotos need an excuse to be nophotos. "Photography isn't fun unless I'm a unique snowflake" is but one of those excuses.
>>3900725I meant places a bit deeper than that hole, although you just confirmed to me the old BO from there never came back after the rebrand. Shame, he was a seemingly nice guy. Did you post there back in the day?
>>3900725I can't imagine how utterly talentless a photography board on 8kun must have been
>>3900350I don't think anyone thinks a unique subject is that important, it's more about the photographers perspective.
>>3900756like you're swimming in some deep well of talent here, lmao
>>3900756Take a gander yourself, only two gear threads and the rest of the catalogue is photos.
>>3900723>>3900733Yet you are are the one having a hard time with photography despite claiming how unique your subjects and scenes are...
>>3899477>When you see a picture in a nature magazine of a kingfisher bird emerging from the water with its catch in its claws, you ask the question "how did they capture that?", which is always a "what gear was necessary?" question.Maybe a long time ago. Nowadays it's pretty obvious: D500, 7D Mark II or any modern FF camera with a long lens. Honestly, I never ask what camera something was shot on. And I never ask about settings either. This is what people mean when they say the camera doesn't matter. I'm looking at a photo because I think it looks good and interesting, and I'm curious about the subject and the way it's lit and portrayed. I'm curious if the photographer has any other work for me to explore. I don't give a damn what camera was used. It really doesn't matter.
>>3900760According to who? Where did I say I struggled? You're the one saying it's all about stupid gear and irrelevant bullshit. I'm the one consistently taking photos and enjoying myself. Quit projecting.
>>3900765In your posts whining? No projecting here. And now you are swearing and using hyperbole. Seems you are upset because you can't express your frustrations very well.
>>3900758>>3900759i mean, I'm OP.. so no, I don't like this board either. But holy shit the 8kun one must have been so much worse
>>3900766There's more than one person in the thread. I've made like two posts here and one of them was the response that you replied to. >No projecting here Insisting that "everything has been shot before" is pretty hardcore projection.
>>3899563People will just consider you a weird creep.
>>3899231>>3899273samefag, same retard, same plebbitor to the trashimagine wanting to play the gayass modcock sucking consensus chasing karma hunting game to get good boi points from retarded obese high estrogen bugmen
>>3904509Not your cup of tea then, eh?I'm fine with that. I means we only have to put up with your knuckle-dragging codswallop on the one board.
>>3898935Unrelated but what is this editing/preset style called? Ive seen a few people use it.
>>3898935Reddit more or less destroyed most forums.Unfortunately their retarded "haha post is old so we lock it" makes Reddit unsuitable for any ongoing discussions and any topic needs to have a weekly sticky or something in a sub, so it's tiresome and garbage.4chan is ideal because you get niggers stopping by dropping facts and proof and peacing out, while Redditors are kikes obsessing over up/downvotes. Also any opinion that's not PC or leftist is frowned upon on Reddit. So, for example, photographing rioters at BLM protests is seen as "evil" and asking questions on how to stay safe while documenting such crime will lead to your posts being deleted on Reddit and maybe you being banned. On 4chan anons will give you advice like saying carry bear spray if legal, to wear a helmet so rioters and their bricks won't make a veggie outta you, and to configure a livestream so you have evidence (for insurance claims or law enforcement) if your shit gets stolen.Most photo forums these days are pretty dead or slow and /p/ ironically has a pretty big following since there's no barrier to entry (accounts, logins). You might be expecting too much. Most things relating to photography have already been discussed in great detail so forums are usually filled with morons asking noob questions and getting linked to articles explaining basics.
>>3904936>any opinion that's not PC or leftist is frowned uponNah. There's right wing safe spaces on Reddit too; particularly subs like r/conservative or r/politicalcompassmemes. >kikes obsessing over up and downvotesHardly any different from people who post here to bait for (You)s. Look at the level of stupid troll threads you see on 4chan, especially on the highly trafficked boards like /v/ and /fit/. Posting shitty coomer or racebait or standard incel/relationship threads because everyone knows those'll be popular and get the most interaction. 4chan is overall far more similar to the evil R word boogeyman - both in its nature as social media and it's subsequent dopamine "reward system" - than anyone here seems to want to admit.
>>3900770>Insisting that "everything has been shot before" is pretty hardcore projection.Yet you admit that yourself... lol
>>3905008you are delusional. reddit is one of the most pc shit holes online
>>3905014not that anon, but Reddit is just a reflection of the culture at-large. It's clearly astroturfed and meant for manufacturing consent and directing the narrative of the internet.
>>3905008I think you're missing the point anon. The issue with Reddit isn't that they have left wing boards, it's that they always take down the right wing ones. Same issue with a lot of social media in general but I find Reddit a good highlight of this. 4chan doesn't have an upvote system like Reddit does so even if shit is meant to bait a certain group of people that use this site (we all know who they are), they can only measure it through how many replies they get to the thread rather than how much actual engagement is going on. I honestly hate Reddit's upvote system because it's about appealing to the masses rather than something that promotes individuality or creativity. I don't think your opinion is wrong per say but definitely a few points that could be brushed up.
>>3905049Yeah the karma system is much worse than the lefty slant. Reddit is where people go to become another brick in the wall.
>>3905057>another brick in the wall.They are just fucking forums where most people spout drivel.It's funny how people on 4chan get their panties in a twist about Reddit. No one on Reddit gives a flying fuck about 4chan. But either way both places are 90% garbage populated by idiots. Go in, take the bits that interest you and leave. If you are spending more than a few minutes on either of them, if you are worrying about karma or (you)s, board culture, shitty memes. If you despise one because it is too left or right wing than the other then you have already lost it. You might believe you are thinking for yourself but you are not you are just aligning yourself with the other side. Just a brick in another wall and a victim of those that profit from division.
>>3899558You really don't fucking belong.
>>3905089Reddit is huge and relatively small migrations from reddit change the userbase of 4chan a lot.>But either way both places are 90% garbage populated by idiots. Go in, take the bits that interest you and leave. If you are spending more than a few minutes on either of them, if you are worrying about karma or (you)s, board culture, shitty memes. If you despise one because it is too left or right wing than the other then you have already lost it. >You might believe you are thinking for yourself but you are not you are just aligning yourself with the other side. Just a brick in another wall and a victim of those that profit from division.lolThe reason I'm saying reddit is where people go to become another brick in the wall also applies to its alt right twin voat. Those are places that reward conformity. Places where people try to mimic the rest so they can get more upvotes.4chan is the opposite. If you're controversial you get exposure, you don't get your comment hidden. Lots of posts backlink to your own so it becomes more visible if you go against the grain. This means a lot of people enjoy baiting pointlessly, but it also means you have a chance to be heard if your opinion doesn't go with the grain. Older forums with karma systems weren't as bad as reddit, because karma was something that showed besides your name but didn't impact the visibility of your message.
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>>3905142>accuses others of being a nophoto while not posting a photoit never fails.
>>3905142>nophotoYou dare utter my holy words?[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Image-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution240 dpiVertical Resolution240 dpi
>>3905008>Hardly any different from people who post here to bait for (You)s.The people who frequent Reddit and desperately farm karma are entirely different from the bait posters on 4chan.
>3905219That's actually cute that you think that. Naive, but cute.
>3905226Not before you stop seething.
>>3905243I'm not telling you to cope, I'm saying what you're doing is cope.
>3905285lol okay.look, scrublet, there are contrarian faggots in literally every thread on reddit. literally no one gives a fuck about karma, and it's cute that you think it's any more of a social motivator than some fat (You)'s.
>>3905288And those "contrarian faggots" surely get -1'd into nonexistence, your point?Funny that you seethe so hard you fail to properly quote my post thinking (You)s matter to me, redditor. You're addressing my post, and if anything the misquoting betrays your passive-aggressive coping mechanism. It makes your bitter replies tastier, not duller. You poor thing.
>3905294I'm deliberately deleting a meme arrow so that I won't feed you any tasty (You)'s because I knew it would trigger you right in the pussy like the bitchmade softboy you are, lmao. It shows how desperate you are for acknowledgement and validation for stirring up "controversy". Reddit literally gives you the option to sort by downvoted, contrarian, or downvoted posts, fucktard. They don't hide it, it's just that shitposting shouldn't be the first thing you see.
>>3905300>any tasty (You)'s because I knew it would trigger you right in the pussy like the bitchmade softboy you areYou're delusional if you think I care more about (You)s than about your meltdown.You're projecting your anger and I'm enjoying every bit of it. And giving you (You)s in the process because I don't care. Stupid newfag, did you even know back in the day you had to ctrl+F the post number because there were no backlinks? It's merely the technical side recognizing a social custom.>Reddit literally gives you the option to sort by downvoted, contrarian, or downvoted posts, fucktard. They don't hide it, it's just that shitposting shouldn't be the first thing you see.Right, "shitposting". More like opinions the NPCs don't like. It's the same thing with twitter and its hidden replies that can be displayed. Sites for those who love conformity. Sites for sheeple. That's why you love being in them, you love it so much you have an account you used to take that screencap. You're sheeple.
>>3905306>Sites for sheeple.It's funny when edgelords think that browsing a specific website over another makes them some kind of contrarian.You're probably as plain as mayo when it comes to personality but convince yourself that going on 4chan makes you "deep and out there". What a stooge.
>>3905309>edgelordslol, you gave me the (You) but you're still seething just as hard
>>3905310I'm a differen't person, it's just baffles me that you feel some sort of superiority because you participate posting on some dumb website over another. The only value this place will ever have is the amount of stupid shit that people post on here, you're as much of an NPC as those redditors if you think value of the content here somehow gives you "freedom".
>>3905126>If you're controversial you get exposure, you don't get your comment hidden.But there is no value in that if the only responses you get are insults, frogs, memes and/or being told to go back. It is no better than the dumb word games and puns runs you see on reddit.
>>3905014>PC shitholesYou really out yourself when you only talk about one political bubble as bad, but not another. 4chan is just as much of a sheltered little safe space, only it's for the type of people who would watch hours of anti-SJW content on YouTube in 2013.
>>3905643>he actually believes thisPolitical correctness goes both ways. 4chan isn't a safe space, it's a battlefield of ideas. No one gets banned here for being "too leftist". If anything to get banned you have to be edgier than most or go around spamming, derailing with off topic stuff, etc.
>>3905685>4chan isn't a safe space, it's a battlefield of ideasThis is so far from the truth, you post on a website originally for weebs that was based of a site for people to vent frustration without being ridiculed by society. This has not changed since, you're just so far up your ass to even believe that this is some sort of "battlefield".
>>3905691It wasn't about escaping ridicule, m00t wanted to escape goon moderation. Goons were weebs themselves. The goons who were happy both stayed there and also colonized other sites, like, you guessed it, reddit. And the cliquey and trollish nature of goons also put them at the forefront of other Internet phenomena, loving attention as much as they did. For example long before the gamergate controversy Zoe Quinn was an avid helldump poster on SA. I don't think you quite grasp how and why 4chan was created.
>>3905391Sounds like the kind of responses an obvious redditor would get. I've posted some egregious bait and I get people mad without getting called a redditor but I'm not conceited and insecure so I can pull it off. Because I'm able to laugh at myself and poke fun at things I do myself. And because I understand this place. When a redditor comes here with their preconceptions they make posts that stick out like a sore thumb.
>>3905711I understand that Moot started 4chan because of SA due to its tight moderation and membership fee. It still doesn't change that Moot based 4chan off 2chan and all the original boards were anime related, hell I even start browsing 4chan because they were the only forum that had a board like /m/ where I can look at cool pictures of Gundam's that wasn't from the alternative Universe. What you don't grasp was that during 2004-2007 4chan was rather tame to what it is now and there were other message boards that were far more savage. I bet that you think that Pepe the frog meme came from /b/.
>>3905722>during 2004-2007 4chan was rather tame to what it is nowlol, just shut up dude. No one falls for your revisionist nonsense.
>>3905729But somehow your take is more accurate? Stop acting like 4chan is some secret club.
>>3905722b was long buried as porn board when pepe came around, but he was popularised on 4chan, and outright displaced lememe troll man as an the most popular reaction image.
>>3905733It was anything but tame. It was much wilder than today, in some good ways like having /i/ the invasion board and in some bad ways like having pizza all over the place. It wasn't a sekrit klub but it was much scarier for normalfags and the Internet itself wasn't nearly as accessible as it is today. Much of the infamy 4chan has comes from those days.
>>3905745>Much of the infamy 4chan has comes from those days.But it wasn't as political, sure you had a few murders being posted on / b/ but the level of notoriety that this place got during the Trump Election completely changed the landscape of this place. The racist memes being posted than would be considered soft-core too many here, whilst you now you have idiots promoting Mien Kampf un-ironically and posting false info graphs that fan the flames of race wars.
>>3905781>it wasn't as politicalWhy do you think m00t deleted /new/?
>>3905784/new/ was created around the end of the decade, I'm specifically talking about 4chan from 2004-2007.
>>3905786no one cares, faggot.
>>3905787Maybe you idiots should stop putting lipstick on this hog of a website.
>>3905786Pool's closed was 2006.
>>3905685You just get violently discouraged and pressured for not "ironically" being a far right wing Q shithead. Seriously. Try going on here for a day and thinking minorities are people and women should have rights and see how far it gets you.
>>3905838I mean, /p/ is pretty progressive in that regard. There are plenty of intelligent, left-leaning boards. There are even daily leftypol threads on the nazi frog part of the website. You just can't take anything seriously here.
>>3905841>/p/ is pretty progressiveYet you don't seem to go far without somebody saying something like "street photography shouldn't be dangerous as long as you stay out of US cities which are full of niggers" or something awful like that. 4chan and 4Channel are a stronghold for people who have really aggressive "conservative" (alt right) views on basically everything. That's the unfortunate reality for the vast majority of places that try to be neutral or "political battlegrounds"; the ring wingers who want to talk about how much they hate minorities and think women shouldn't be allowed to vote somehow creep their way onto every board and you don't even seem to have to go far, even here on /p/, to find them. Unmoderated/lightly moderated places that "promote free speech" quickly get overrun by it because those people know they can finally talk about how much they wanna hit women or kill black people, or in the case of Parler, straight up share CP and other reprehensible shit. Reddit wasn't always a "leftist" website either, , and honestly it still isn't, it's just that, mainly for the sake of advertisers, they didn't want to get a reputation for hosting a bunch of clearly hostile, alt right leaning boards, so they started banning them. And yes, it makes a huge difference. Reddit gets advertisements from huge corporations to subsidize their massive site. I come here to blue boards which are supposed to be SFW and I STILL see weird adverts about hot singles in your area or Korean incest comics, because those are the only groups that want to advertise on a site like this.
>>3905854>I STILL see weird adverts>redditor can't even into addblockerYou need to go back.
>>3905716>an obvious redditor>>3905863>>redditor can't even into addblockerPost a dumfuck meme and try to insult people by calling them redditors. A typical 4chan response.>If you can't think of anything more intelligent you may now post a picture of a butthurt looking frog and say reeee
>>3905838How can you get pressured when you're anonymous? Let me know when mods start banning people for that, until then you can't really claim it's comparable to reddit in any way.Also /p/ leans left compared to most boards on the site.
>>3905841>intelligent, left-leaninglol, the only intelligent position is realizing that both sides have it out for you
>>3905908>Post a dumfuck meme and try to insult people by calling them redditors. A typical 4chan response.You started with insults first! How up your arse can you be that you expect to be taken seriously when you talk about add revenue on 4chan?
>>3905854CP on parler was a false flag to take it down, idiot.At least you're admitting you hate free speech and that you're too much of a pussy to argue against something to prove it wrong instead of silencing it. The pen is mightier than the sword, that's why you want to decapitate the writer.
>>3905908You called this site a "sheltered little safe space" and "hog of a website". If you hate 4chan so much and love reddit so much, I don't know what you're doing here.
>>3905916You know you can go to multiple websites, right? Did you know that your browser history isn't a personality?
>>3905917I do, and I don't bother going to garbage sites like reddit. Do you hang out with the Klan boys to tell them how terrible they are too? You know, you can hang out with multiple people.I think that your deepest fear is that you may end up thinking some of the horribly bigoted things said here are true, like the aforementioned cities.
>>3905919>I don't bother going to garbage sites like redditWhy? Because your deepest fear is that you might find yourself agreeing with some of the horrible lefty things that are said there?
>>3905916There is a difference between trying to open minded and deliberately confining yourself to a squalid bubble of hate and fear.
>>3905921>Why? Because your deepest fear is that you might find yourself agreeing with some of the horrible lefty things that are said there?No, those get posted here too :^).I despise reddit because it's the mob's rule, aggravated by the people running it. It has a clear agenda. 4chan is a more neutral ground, if not perfect.>>3905923>deliberately confining yourself to a squalid bubble of hate and fear.Sounds like reddit to me. They hate and fear anyone with a different opinion.
>>3905924>They hate and fear anyone with a different opinion.And that is 4chan in a nutshell
>>3905930No, that's you projecting. Reddit is the mirror image of sites like VNN, they just hate different people.
>>3905932>No, that's you projecting.Ah, that old escape clause beloved of 4chantards who don't have anything better to say.4chan, just like you, also hates people with a different opinion. That's why you call them redditors, to give a name and a focus to your hate.
>>3905941Upset that you're getting called a redditor? Sounds familiar. Have you a different name you'd like to be called by?
>>3905941We don't hate people with different opinions, again that's your projection. What we don't like is redditors like yourself trying to turn this place into another safe space where ideas can't be challenged (challenged like we're doing right now, you're enjoying this site's freedom to argue against it right now). We call you redditors because that's what you are, your authoritarianism and the way you defend reddit makes it obvious. And you get offended because you know it's true.
>>3905949You are struggling. I don't care what you call me, you are just an anonymous little squirt. A fool whose lifestyle choice is to align themselves with a fucking internet forum.Instead of picking off just the interesting bits of each and ignoring the drivel you circle the wagons in order to defend a turd. Its your life I suppose, switch the light off before you go to bed.
>>3905955>What we don't like is having our safe space challenged by people from another safe space.
>>3905959>our safe spaceBut how can it be a safe space if anything goes?What we don't like are your attempts to turn it into a safe space. Dissent is healthy. And you want to suppress it.
>>3905961>What we don't like are your attempts to turn it into a safe space.But it is your safe space, you demonstrate that by constantly telling anyone who disagrees with you to go back and by insulting them. That is not dissent that is you defending your safe space
>>3905911>Say something the 4chan hivemind doesn't like >Responses are nothing but "cringe" "kys tranny" and "go back">What pressure? I don't see any pressure. Maybe you're an inhuman psychopath but most people have a desire to fit in and be liked on some level, and get turned off when they're on a website that gets mad when they have another point of view.
>>3905912Not really. Unless you're talking about the American "left" which is just the same neoiberal corporatist trash that thinks being gay or having an abortion is fine. When I hear "left" I think of things like class consciousness and putting society and it's welfare over that of corporations.
>>3905914No, right wingers are pedophiles and violent thugs, the things they accuse everyone else of being. >You hate free speech I think people need to stop clinging to it so much they avoid responsibility for what they say. I also think that most arguments are pointless because there is usually a right or wrong answer, and this culture of "debating" just makes ignorant people believe that the stupid shit they think is valid when it's not.
Literally anywhere. It's hard to beat the shitposting though.I got permabanned from 4chan for quoting jews on /pol/ so have moved somewhere less semitic.
>>3905965Just because some of us tell you to fuck off it doesn't make it a safe space. People tell others of all political affiliations to fuck off here. There is no officially sanctioned position, unlike on a safe space. You're twisting words to make them fit your narrative because you know you're wrong.
>>3905970>avoid responsibility for what they saywhat the hell does that even mean?
>>3905969When I hear what you're saying I think of divide and conquer, like the left has always done around the globe. It's a narrative they feed the useful idiots so they can rise to power and benefit themselves like they did in Cuba. The Castros living like kings while the people get fed scraps.
Abandon 4chan, come to Gab.
>>3905977>right wing twitter cloneHow about no?Just like voat is as bad as reddit, gab is as bad as twitter. Arguably they're worse than the originals because their userbase are literally the rejects from the others.I'd rather use ifunny.co, unironically. At least it has freedom.
>>3905977lol, I'm looking for a place with artistic talent and some level of discourse, your reactionary shithole certainly doesn't meet the criteria
>>3905975>what the hell does that even mean?Spewing outrageous crap while cowering behind anonymity.
>>3905970>No, right wingers are pedophiles and violent thugs, the things they accuse everyone else of being.Right wingers, huh? https://web.archive.org/web/20210325021010/https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/24/chaos-at-reddit-as-dozens-of-subreddits-made-private-in-protest-at-site-2-14297612/
>>3905978>worse than the originals because their userbase are literally the rejects of normalfagsI don't see the problem there
>>3906010They're people too stupid to get past the censors, as opposed to Raimi that got us this jewel.
>>3906019Raimi is a jew
>>3906020So what?He gets past the censors.Also it's a meme you absolute newfag.Now Stanley Kubrick and Bobby Fischer, those weren't memes. Actual jew-hating jews.
>>3906004Is attacking reddit your only defence? Funny. I don't think anyone here is particularly trying to defend it, at least I'm certainly not. I'm attacking your misguided assertion that 4chan is is some kind of bastion of free speech. It is not. Anyone who steps out of the accepted bubble is called redditor and told to go back without the slightest attempt to address what that person may have said.That is fear. Fear an opinion that the herd doesn't like might gain traction.Much as I dislike reddit (the up/downvote/karma system sucks granite) it is is far more likely that if you say something controversial they will argue the topic with you. On 4chan you just get called names and told to kill yourself.
>>3906021Why don't you relax a bit and stop posting for today
>>3906024>Much as I dislike reddit (the up/downvote/karma system sucks granite) it is is far more likely that if you say something controversial they will argue the topic with you. On 4chan you just get called names and told to kill yourself.Dude, I'm an expert at getting people to discuss my bait for months here on 4chan. Sure, some people tell me to kill myself but others actually try to debunk me. The thing is that when you parrot some tired BS people sniff you out as the redditor you are.> I'm attacking your misguided assertion that 4chan is is some kind of bastion of free speech. It is not. Fair enough, I've got banned before for stepping out of the line deemed acceptable sometimes. But there's way more leeway than on reddit. And if you avoid using some meme words you can say some outrageous things without getting slapped.But as far as mainstream sites are concerned, 4chan is among the freest. There's even freer sites but they don't get much traffic. And the 2015 election wrecked the largest free alternative there was, turning it into a cancerous alt right echo chamber instead of a battlefield of ideas.
>>3906032>Dude,That just demonstrates how fucking wrong you are.
>>3906032>I'm an expert at getting people to discuss my bait for months here on 4chanLolno, most of the time people are just laughing at you for being a twat, until they get bored and go and do something else.
>>3905968If you wanted to fit in you would stop clutching those pearls. The reason you don't fit in isn't that you're leftist, it's that you're a thin skinned pussy who propagates propaganda instead of thinking for himself.
>>3906050That's a bit rich coming from an unapologetic 4chantard
>>3906049I think you understood my post wrong. I haven't been doing this just for months, each successful bait thread I make lasts months. Some of the longest lasting threads on /diy/ in fact. People love clever bait and I love baiting them.
>>3906051Each post you make proves this place has freedom. I once made an account on plebbit and told them how retarded they were, they took it down faster than I could blink.
>>3906055>I think you understood my post wrong.No I didn't.>/diy/
>>3906055>I haven't been doing this just for months, each successful bait thread I make lasts months.and you are proud of this achievement?
>>3906056>I once made an account on plebbit and told them how retarded they were, they took it down
>what a dumpsterfire Defending reddit for free? Couldn’t be me.
>what a dumpsterfireDefending 4chan for free? Couldn’t be me.
I didn’t bump :^)
Someone is bored. He always exercises his OCD on some redundant twaddle when you know who hasn't posted a thread in a while.
>>3906050>It's not because you're a leftist Nah, but tell yourself this isn't some edgy right wing website without actually substantiating it.
>all these people that haven't been invited to the private Reddit photography discordLmao. It's actually p cosy and lots of worthwhile chat and photos shared.
>>3906103Yeah but discord itself is shit. It has a crap UI and takes up too much screen real estate. The old IRC was better, at least you could shove the app in the corner and watch the conversation while you carried on with some work.
>>3906032>Free speech>Telling people to kill themselves
>>3906106>IRC, where you couldn't post photos, was better for photo chatLol, no, you just preferred it as you could use it anonymously. You don't like the fact everyone hates you and if you're tied to a username then there's no escaping that fact.And what 1280x720 retro resolution are you using that you lack screen real estate, it's 2021, get a 4k monitor you poverty riddled finger sniffer.
>>3906118All that projection, take your meds city slicker
>>3906118>anonymouslyBut I wasn't anonymous.>You don't like the fact everyone hates youNope, you're thinking of the resident fuckwit
Is all of 4chan "right-wing" because people say nigger all the time, or is "right-wing" just a dog whistle for "word/opinion I don't like mods please heeeeelp"? Just goes to show why the free speech afforded by the place is so important.
>>3906125>Is all of 4chanWho in their right mind would go to all of 4chan?
>>39061254chan as a website aligns more to left but the right-wing group of the site just like to be loud and obnoxious and tell everyone that this is there space but in reality the site is a mix pot of different political ideologies, ethnicities and world views.
>>3906125>Is a website that is connected to and houses the pol board, which has been suspected in having a hand with a recent pro Trump invasion of the US capitol among other conspiracies, who's talking points about Jews, women, minorities, class issues and everything else mimic what is said by "ironic" shitposters elsewhere, right wing?>>3906143You're trying too hard to "troll" now. Stop, it's not even funny anymore.
>>3906151Did I hit a nerve?
>>3906151You unironically need to take a break from the internet. You sound like you frequent /pol/ yourself with all of your conspiracy theories.
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>>3906125All of 4chan doesn't use the word nigger.When I see it used for anything beyond literary discussion I report it, there's a "racism outside of /b" flag in the report section, exactly for this reason.And free speech is NOT championed on 4chan, much to some users chagrin, hence why 4chan archives like nyafuu popped up, you can go look at all the deleted posts right now.My apologies, I know right wingers find the truth very difficult at times.
>>3906162lolare you literally that triggered and sad? if you see it, just ignore, stop being a faggotalso fuck mods.
When leftists aren't allowed to ban discussion, they typically resort to shitting up the place and making it less desirable to others, like a tantrum.>3906151>Capitalizing "jew"lol
>>3906143I guess if we ignore all the times the left does the same then you're right. Politispergs exist on both sides of the spectrum.
>>3906171It's sad really. The wannabe NKVD soiboi cries out in pain as he strikes you.
>>3906057It's about as fast as /p/.>>3906064Not really, I just have fun with it. Anyone who isn't a redditor could pull it off.
>>3906237>I just have funEasier than going outside and taking photographs, eh?
>>3906368It's easier than going out and doing anything, hun. I don't even have to get dressed and it fills in the time while I wait for the next isi thread
>>3906368>>3906379Samefag.Also one thing doesn't negate the other. Posting bait threads doesn't prevent me from taking pictures. I don't get this mentality of devoting yourself exclusively to taking pics.
>>3906161>>3906160>>3906158>No arguments Accept your concession I guess.
>>3906384> I don't get this mentality of devoting yourself exclusively to taking pics.I don't get this mentality of thinking that being an twat on the internet is fun. Didn't you ever get past puberty?
>>3906400>being a twatIt's called having a sense of humor. Not all bait is malicious. Sometimes I jump into bait threads and add more bait outbaiting the OP. Look at all the poeple who replied to this lol, not a single "go back" because it's not reddit tier. Sure, some people called me a retard, but most laughed. And the thread is still going after 47 days.
>>3906427>It's called having a sense of humor.That is the funniest thing you have said in this entire thread.
>>3906434So you were defending reddit "ironically"? Is that what you're trying to say? That I don't have a sense of humor because I didn't appreciate how funny it is to advocate for censorship?
>>3905863I don't really like this meme, it's amazing but low effort.What's the penguin from? And the dilator kit? Kinda wanna give a go at making it better.
>>3905977It's asking me to sign up. I'll pass.
>>3906438>So you were defending redditIncorrect, I hate both but for different reasons.