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Guys, I really, really want to shoot medium format. The only problem is that it's just so goddamn expensive. The prices for a Hasselblad is just insane, and the fact that the lenses alone are worth thousands just throws away the idea of ever owning one. The fujifilm GFX 50R is the most reasonable purchase, but even that is expensive. Film is the cheapest, but even that is still expensive. On top of that, I'd have to pay for development and I just don't want to do that when. I really want to get into medium format, but it's just so goddamn expensive.

If there's any MF owners here, can you tell me if it's really worth the money? Are there any alternatives, or am I just fucked?
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>>3825062
you aren't the target audience.
the target audience pays off their MF system in a single session.
pay to play.
stop obsessing over sensor size, it really doesn't matter in 2020.
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>>3825063
It’s called target demographic and working photographers don’t net 30k a session. Stop trying to sound like you know money.
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>>3825062
Pentax 645Z
645D for poorfag option
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>>3825063
>>3825064
So, should I just forget about it all together? I just want to take landscape photos, and my camera has a fixed 35mm lens on it.

>>3825067
Still so expensive though...
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>>3825062
There really isn't an advantage over high resolution FF unless you can afford a 100mp or 150mp body and the glass to match. And because so much money is invested in FF R&D the fastest glass is actually on FF.

As for film, high resolution FF competes with 6x9. Maybe if you're drum scanning Velvia 50 you'll see a small gain. You don't shoot MF film for IQ, you shoot it because you want to shoot film and the IQ gain over 35mm is significant.
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Just get a film medium format and dev/scan on your own. It’s still pricey, but less than a digital FF setup really. You can get a camera+dev/scan setup for under $1000.

Medium format has a nice distinct look, and it has lots more detail compared to 35mm film. I usually find myself shooting 35mm or aps-c unless I have something specific I want to shoot. You have to print pretty large to actually see the extra detail.

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>>3825070
>I just want to take landscape photos, and my camera has a fixed 35mm lens on it.
Literally just save up for any aps-c or FF camera and a solid UWA zoom. I shot for years on an 18mp 7D with a Tokina 11-16 and have made plenty of 17x22 and 16x24 landscape prints.
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>>3825070
If you really only want landscape you can get a Fujica GS645W or GSW690 series.
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>>3825070
Try out a 645 system anon. You get all the bells and whistles, good scans run right with any digital back from the first couple generations, good economy. Plus you’re only risking like $1K if you end up not liking it. Unless you just aren’t comfortable with film in general, but if landscapes are your focus you would be cucking yourself not giving film a chance.

>>3825076
Don’t listen to this anon he’s an idiot.
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Medium format is fun as hell. Just get an older film camera and go nuts. I have a Mamiya 33C that I use and it's great.
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>>3825064
>working photographers don’t net 30k a session
commercial photographers using MF systems do
"wedding" and "event" photographers struggle to put food on tables
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>>3825084
How many commercial photographers do you know anon?
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>>3825062
>want a thing
>can't afford thing
So, maybe set realistic budgeting goals?
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>>3825071
Yea... i’ve been eyeing the mf stuff a bit and it really doesn’t seem to make sense - the f1.2 glass on a high mp ff makes it pointless buying a mf camera - their lenses just can’t create that shallow depth of field so you get more or less the same result when you factor in the shallow dof of the mf sensor. I don’t think i’m wrong here. Am i?
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>>3825062
>Guys, I really, really want to shoot medium format.

Why?

Answer that and you might get reasonable advice.
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>>3825104
this

>>3825112
that

Also psst kids, there's this little secret called Brenizer Method.
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>>3825062
>really want to shoot medium format.

Why? Your pictures are gonna be the same.
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>>3825111
No, you're not wrong, that was the point.
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>>3825062
Guess what anon, i am (was) in your spot. I bought my GFX 50R yesterday. Have yet to buy a proper lens.

Do i need it? Hell no
Do i want it? Hell yeah

You SHOULD look for other reasons other than
>big sensor

I honestly had some reasons, those still don't justify spending 3k on a body and none on lenses, but off we go.

The lenses that will do justice to the sensor are terribly expensive, even chink garbage lenses. if you want the "real medium format look" you need fast glass, since you have 51.4mp you might as well buy fast and sharp glass.

A 50mm f1.4 vintage lens will give you the MF look, badly and soft, but it will for less than 100 USD, an adapted Sigma Art 50mm f1.4. will also do that, and it will cost you 1000 USD

I'm about to suck it up and buy that so i can potentially use the sensor to it's fullest instead of using 50 USD optics on a 3k body.

>can you tell me if it's really worth the money?
It's only worth it if you do have some money lying around, you are stupid like me and KNOW you will deeply enjoy the camera for a long while.

>Are there any alternatives, or am I just fucked?

Not really, you could speedboost a Sony A7 with a garbage adapter or use one of those choyna made f0.95 lenses on it, but it's not very ideal, also, landing focus at f0.95 blows.

Earning money or not from photography is an afterthought for me right now but you should definitely consider that, i will try to, 3k-4k of money is no joke.
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>>3825084
No one I know doing weddings use MF, the biggest best wedding photographer I know says the huge price, slow expensive lenses and bad AF for a meager quality return don't justify him selling his RF and EF lenses for it.
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>>3825070
Just shoot panoramic stitched photos
Or if you really really want to shoot MF get one of these here
https://youtu.be/_6U8f4-2rgw
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>>3825185
he doesn't wanna deal with film.

>>3825067
The 645d is a piece of shit to use, no live-view, slow as molasses, tiny buffer. I've seen 645z for 2300.
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>>3825186
>he doesn't wanna deal with film.
OK then he probably wants one of these though I suspecr they're not within his budget
► 5. Hasselblad H6D-50c
► 4. Pentax 645z
► 3. Fujifilm GFX 50R
► 2. Hasselblad X1D-50c
► 1. Fujifilm GFX 100
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>>3825062
Good luck OP
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Hello there

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>>3825290
what camera is that one? why does it says fuji on top?
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>>3825062
Rent one. Dynamic range is fantastic, but it's still not good enough to beat exposure stacking for high quality shots. Same goes for resolution, it's great, but panorama stacking can be even better... I used gfx50 interchangeably with m43 for the last two years. At the end each year I'm doing calendars, this year, all but one of the 13 pics came from m43. All 100mp+ panorama stack.
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>>3825291
The one you have with you
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>>3825294
what did you use your m43 camera for? i have mine just for shits and giggles.
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if you really want medium format, get something cheap like the LOMO Lubitel 166 and shoot film. otherwise, just go FF digital with a 50mm f/1.4 if you just want the medium format look
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>>3825291
>why does it says fuji on top?
anon thats called a brand. Fuji GX680
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>>3825317
FF 50mm f1.4 and the same lens on crop-MF looks a tad different.

It would be a 40mm f1.1, that's a bit unique.
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>>3825062
>If there's any MF owners here, can you tell me if it's really worth the money?
Ehhhhh in terms of getting better images, no. A full frame digital camera's images are gonna be indistinguishable from medium format digital in the vast majority of circumstances.

I shoot medium format film because medium format film is noticeably better than 35mm film, but even then, I mainly do it because medium format cameras are fun rather than because of the image quality advantages. Honestly, even 6x7 doesn't look better than (or even as good as!) what I get out of full frame digital, but the process of taking pictures and then having to wait to see the scans is weirdly fun so I keep doing it even though it's crazy expensive.

Maybe look into a "cheap" medium format camera and see if you like it. Antique stores will often have cheap old folding medium-format cameras (but make sure the shutter doesn't stick, the bellows aren't rotting away, and that the camera is designed to take 120 film before you buy one) which you could play around with and see if you enjoy the results (and/or the process) enough to get a better one.
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>>3825291
>what camera is that one?
A Fuji GX680
>why does it says fuji on top?
Because it's a Fuji GX680
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>>3825332
really didn't know fuji made that kind of bulky cameras, i thought thye only did those similar to the GW690
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>>3825335
There’s a reason they aren’t well known
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>>3825335
Its a system made for studio advertisement work, hence the movements, the 6x8 “tabloid” format, the size. I guess the jap ad companies didn’t need monorails for all their work, the 120 was good enough. It’s a fun camera, it was crazy expensive when it came out and the build quality shows. It gets a lot of shit here from onions because it’s large, heavy and awkward to use, but it’s relatively cheap, idiot-proof, the lenses are a work of art, you can turn it into 645, 6x6, 6x7, nobody knows it exists so it’s always a conversation starter. But it’s not something you throw into a bag and carry around, you have to purposefully go out to take pictures, which, for me, is great- I already took the fucker wih me so i *need* to make some photos. Even if they’re boring snapshits.

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>>3825344
lmao imagine thinking the ability to shoot 645 on this is a benefit
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Nothing in this overpriced tourist attraction of a fucking hobby is worth the price you pay.
Steal one.
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go look at all you're missing out on OP
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/48-pentax-medium-format/87027-post-your-medium-format-photos.html
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yessir
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hard to pull these off on 35mm alrighty

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how can crops even compete
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>>3825475
>https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/48-pentax-medium-format/87027-post-your-medium-format-photos.html


Man this stuff is bad.
The GFX Facebook group got some legit beautiful pictures taken with them, and also some horrible ones.

It seems like only shit photogs post on that pentax website
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>>3825508
i cherry-picked the terribad ones to make a point but i am not entirely sure what the point is
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>>3825508
the vegetable one makes me a little bit angry for some goddamned reason
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>>3825508
https://www.behance.net/gallery/66738093/FINE-ART-PRINTS?tracking_source=search_projects_recommended
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>>3825490
I unironically really like this one. Although I think it would be better-balanced if the model were like six inches to camera-right.
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>>3825511
>i cherry-picked the terribad ones to make a point but i am not entirely sure what the point is

There's bound to be something decent but mostly ... yeah

>>3825515
>the vegetable one makes me a little bit angry for some goddamned reason

Too much cucumber and carrot, harsh lightning, background ... is noticeable, too boring.
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>>3825387
>being able to shoot 4 formats on one camera is bad
Boy, those grapes are sour

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>>3825483
I hate this image so fucking much. What demon possessed you to think that anyone would want to see some ugly semi-nude crackhead dancing with black fabric?
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>>3825549
Faygo obviously, anon is a juggalo.
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>>3825549
Show us your studio work then

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Commit a Holga
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>>3825852
i wonder why some people find this type of portraits ugly, sure the background is completely defocussed and the girl looks like she was tacked on there since she is crisp as a cracker.

But i like it, looks nice, specially the no shadows bit.
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>>3825852
outfuckingstanding. she's like a cuter mazzy star. 10/10 would fade into.
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>>3826199
f11, 1/400, fp4, godox ad400 on 1/2 +0.3, last shot on that roll, best from that day.
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>>3826215
Holy fuck you are the one that shot it! Thought it was some old timey pic.

Is that the GX680? And how the fuck is that F/11 from that far away?

I'll 100% try this out when i get my MF camera in a couple of weeks, thanks for the second pic anon, got an Ig @?
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>>3826231
>>3809691

and yes, it is. and 210mm. i focused to the front of her, so she was just slightly in the.. focus field (?) when closed. and protip: get the biggest octa you can get/afford/carry around. i dont even know where my beauty dish is right now.

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>>3825062
shoot film you ridiculous cuck
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>>3825852
>Show us your studio work then
No. Fuck you. It's not a requirement to show you my work in order for me to hate a picture of an ugly semi-nude crackhead dancing with black fabric.
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>>3826215
Cargo shorts falling off your ass, graphic t-shirt, backwards hat, mangy-ass beard, cigarette, thrift store Nikes, black ankle socks... Bro, you're not a kid anymore. Get it together ffs.
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>>3826299
why hate? not fashionable, but he is comfortable, don't hate on that, much better than a basketball short and a tank top.
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>>3825852
>>3826241
Razorbumps you’re back!
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>>3826301
he's got a nice conformist look going, but i think he needs to cower behind some sleeve tat and more piercings
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>>3826241
>>3825852
i could have taken this on an iphone 6
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>>3825070
>landscape photos
Literally any camera with wide and tele lenses will do
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>>3826320
You'd need an iPhone 8 at a minimum to get a shallow depth of field effect.
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>>3825166
Commercial photographers as in for fashion, products, and branding, you dumbdumb
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>>3826215
>f11
Is this the power of MF?
That has way more toneh than my shitty MFT at f1.8
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>>3825852
You missed focus why are you posting this?
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>>3826430
lmao you are totally fucking insufferable
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>>3826430
Faggot
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>>3826438
Oh shit my bad here you go

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>>3826499
>Camera Software Adobe Photoshop CC 2019 (Macintosh)
Of course you would use a Mac. You disgust me anon.
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>>3826499
Face is out of focus, why are you posting this?

See, that's you.
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>>3826509
>b-but /p/ told me youll be laught at if you dont have at least 5k in gear ;_;

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>>3826531
jesus fucking christ dude
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>>3826499
More craters on her ass than most asteroids.
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>>3826535
This literally cost me my erection. I came here to help edging while looking at porn. Fuck you anon. Fuck you.
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>>3826535
>>3826541
>>3826544
>nophotos

Don't worry, that was just a "digital polaroid" for my real work :^)

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>>3826499
of course you're the ass pimple guy
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>>3826567
i have no idea what ex-soviet republic these young ladies seeped out of, but i am very much not a fan of any single thing in these blighted photographs
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>>3826568
https://www.instagram.com/kozapytapl/

Anytime someone posts a GX680 we should just direct them to this account lol.
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>>3826567
>>3826531
>>3826499
I genuinely feel bad for these models. Like on a deep level.
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>>3826299
>imagine being so petty to analyze what some dude on the other side of the planet wears
Oh nophoto, some people don’t really care what others think. I’m happy with my “work”, with what i do, you’ll have to try a lot harder to get to me.

>>3826297
Well, you kinda have to. Someone did set up the lights, the background, got that fabric, the hopping crackhead. What did you do? Argued about charts on a nophoto forum. Don’t get me wrong, i don’t like it either, but i have something to show, “how it’s supposed to be done”.

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>>3826572
Also, rent free ;^)
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>>3826608
she should lift her dress to avoid getting poop on it
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>>3826576
just look the the photographer and it's easy to see why he can only shoot crackheads
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>>3825387
salty Fuji hater
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>>3825482
>how can crops even compete

>>3825132

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>>3826631
Oh, so who do you shoot?
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>>3826299
at least he has a job and leaves the house once in a while, unlike you
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>>3826608
>some people don’t really care what others think.
You obviously do though. Instead of all that cope, just acknowledge that you need take better care of yourself and make some steps to change for the better.

>>3826608
>Well, you kinda have to.
No, I really don't.
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>>3826645
>chnage for better
Yes, sit here all day, argue about brands, post charts, start to rent my head for free at some point. “Better”. Or i can wear what’s comfortable for me, do what I want, what makes me feel good and not waste my time even thinking about what do i look like to some random nophoto on a mongolian basket weaving forum.

Really, your opinion has no value to me. It could have if you could post your photos, share your techniques, and we would discuss the photography based on the merits of a given work. There’s a thread where me and some anon talked about metering for night scenes, exchanged experiences, and we both got something out of the ordeal.
You, on the other hand...
>cargo shorts bad
>tshirt bad
>backwards cap bad

Can you see how i dont give a fuck?
And i know that this whole wall of text will bounce right off because I didn’t mention a single brand, didnt post 1600% crop of some niche sensor array, didn’t call anybody names.
But, if that makes you happy, i can always hide your threads.

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>>3826656
But, on the other hand, it’s really fucking nice to live rent free. Now I understand isi and his antics.

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>>3826640
>cat's eye bokeh radomly in the middle of the frame

you could also use your shitware to superimpose a giant moon while you're at it
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>>3826656
lol i have shot better pics on my iphone 5s
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>>3826430
Your eyes, check 'em.
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>>3826656
>>3826661
Great pics dude!
Fuck the haters.
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>>3826671
Again, show us.

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>>3826656
dunno who that cunt is and i find some of your pictures actively nauseating but i like your energy a lot and that other dude is literally a fucking teenager; i'd bet $10,000 in XMR on it. you be you my dude. all good.
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>>3826640
The subject has to stay still while you take the 9-12 exposures, you can do it but breninzer sucks for portraits (a bit)
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>>3825062
Why would anyone get the Hasselblad X1D over Fuji medium format?

Hell even the 645z seems like a worst ourchase
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>>3826737
>Hasselblad X1D
ergos and shooting experience of the hasselblyat. same reason why peeps choose canon or nikon over snoy. the fuji may beat it on specs but the hassy is a joy to use.
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>>3826432
>>3826438
>>3826673
you all fell for this weak bait, you should be ashamed
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>>3826656
nophoto got TOLD.
I like it.

>>3826670
granted, the Tony balls are an issue

>>3826734
only has to sit still for the parts where they're in the frame desu
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>>3826763
The 50R should be an experience too (opposite to the 50s and 100s).

Their specs are totally similar too.
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>>3826779
kek
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>>3826737
The main one is leaf shutter.
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>>3826656
Lol you're really upset aren't you? It's apparent you absolutely do give a fuck. And now every time you go out you're going to think about how pathetic you look haha! Talk about rent free!
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>>3826656
>block of text
>can you see how I don’t give a fuck?
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oh look it’s razorbumps guy raging in yet another thread
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>>3826656
Don't let them bug you bro. Who cares if you dress and smell bad and you take extremely unflattering pictures of your visually uncomfortable models? Maybe that's what you want to portray in your images and these idiots just don't see that. Some people get off on seeing women uncomfortable and you're providing that service for them. Be proud of that!
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>>3826942
I wonder how bad his bitch tits are?

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>>3826795
Isn't HSS just as good tho?
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>>3826958
For digital it’s “just” as good because if it misses you’ll know. For film you need something more consistent.
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>>3826958
Nah not really.
HSS is gonna eat 2 stops of light minimum, even more for the higher shutter speeds. Let’s say 3 stops at 1/1000.

That’s the difference between a typical 70wattsecond portable flash and a 200-300wattsecond strobe with powerpack, with whatever that means for portability, modifier mounts, etc etc. .
And that’s if you don’t care about depth of field. If you do, you need an ND as well.

It *is* possible to always get the same results as leaf shutter, if you give enough power on your strobes for “overpowering the sun” and an ND for DoF (which would require even more power). It’s just that in many times it’s not practical. A doubling of guide number means 4 times as powerful a flash, or 4 times as many flashes.
Imagine needing to stop down a further 2 stops to control ambient light, then you need 2 more stops of flash power. Now imagine you use a 2-stop ND to match the shallower DoF, requiring another 2 stops of flash power.
4 stops of power is a huge fucking lot, verging on the unfeasible. Think of it like that: if you wanted to match the result of a leaf shutter camera with a portable speed light at full power - in terms of flash vs ambient ratio and DoF - with a camera that has 2 stops slower sync speed, you’d need 16 of the same speed lights firing.

The saving grace is you usually don’t need full power so it’s usually more feasible, still not very practical though.

It would be pretty based if Fuji offered parallel versions of their lenses, with a leaf shutter, for a premium.
It seems they could do it if they wanted to, they have experience with leaf shutter (mechanical and electronic), both historically and also more recently.
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>>3826942
>>3826944
lol you're still mad
he really rustled your butt
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>>3826980
Thanks a lot for the thorough explanation, now I see why people pick the X1D over the GFX's
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>>3826944
jesus christ you literal cunt what the fucking fuck
seriously
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>>3826570 >>3826567 >>3826531 >>3826499 >>3826675
why are all of these photos so abject.
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>>3826779
could of made a better meme on my iphone 1
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>>3826986
That nophoto cope is delicious. Will have to share heads with isi.
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>>3825193
Hasselblad oldfag here.

They shit the bed as far as I'm concerned with digital. Too expensive, not able to use old lenses.


Leaning 70/30 on a GFX 100s
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>>3827184
Go for it, no adaptability sucks cock.
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>>3825063
imagine being this wrong

DOF and the subject's relation to the space around them changes dramatically with sensor/film size

"Get a ladder out and take a fuckload of pictures" isn't a solution to that
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>>3827432
>DOF and the subject's relation to the space around them changes dramatically with sensor/film size
For the same focal length/aperture, yes. But not for an equivalent focal length/aperture. Now if no equivalent lens is available and you want that look, you have to shoot that lens, whatever format it is in. But I'm not sure if there are any such unique lenses left in MF. The fastest glass is now in FF.
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>>3827443
You could just adapt the fastest FF glass onto MF.
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This is the most fun thread I've seen for quite a while :D

>>3826608
Why would you take this picture!?

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>>3826338
No. iPhone 7 Plus.
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>>3826531
Oh god its you again.
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>>3827581
kek
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>>3827471
I imagine you’d get horrendous vignetting

>>3825132
I do too many brenizer panos haha - my new r5 takes 45mp images and my old computer was having a hard enough time with the 20mp images I was stitching from the 6d... they look i credible taken with an 85 f1.2 so i can barely wait for the new rf 135 f1.4 to be released. I already love the standard shots i get with the old 135 f2 ef lens

>>3825142
Thought so.

>>3826499
You know... i like to try to avoid unnecessary touch ups... but i always end up doing SOMETHING. Whatever i happen to think the worst part is, i fix it. Datass needed a LOT of fixing. Wtf is up with the ass pimples??? And it wouldn’t have been hard at all - just a fuckton of spot removal
Well... at second glance, the face too :)

>>3826567
Like seriously... i really didn’t come here to pick on people’s work... but the legs here??? Did she trip and fall on some sharp rocks during the shoot? The shins are fucked

Also, don’t wanna be nophoto, so here’s one from last week. Chose this one since this is about medium format and this photo is a good example of just how ridiculously shallow the depth of field can be on ff.

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>>3827581
Because you didnt ;^)
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>>3827589
>No. iPhone 7 Plus.
Oh, you're right.

Not the 6, though, that's my point.
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>>3827603
>I imagine you’d get horrendous vignetting

To some extent, some lenses do not cover more than the 35mm sensor size, on others, it covers it all with minor or no vignetting.

Most sigma lenses cover the whole sensor.
Some canon L lenses also cover it.
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>>3827603
I prefer the Russian junkies to this stronk blak predator.
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>>3826608
>>3826614
Literally exactly what I thought. That's a shitting position if I ever saw one.
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>>3828503
You're projecting, Ravi/Boris.
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>>3828504
Literally who
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OP, just jump on the Gfx100s like everyone else.
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>>3828507
or he could jump to the 50s/r since they cheap now.
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>>3827938
Hahaha fair enough.

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>>3827938
But here, have a slav subject

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>>3826992
Eastern Europe





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