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>3 Dimensional Printing Edition

This is the Film General Thread.
It's ok to post film gear questions in this thread.
It is better to post your film photos in this thread

Film Community Links:
35mmc.com
Casualphotophile.com
Emulsive.org
istillshootfilm.org/beginners-guide-film-photography
digitaltruth.com/devchart.php
industrieplus.net/dxdatabase

Have you made a DIY camera? How do you feel about new 3D printed ones as an alternative to older bodies?

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Reposting my in progress 3D printed 6x12 panoramic camera.

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>>3797864

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>>3797865
Excellent. What's you plan for mounting a lens on that?

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>>3797866
The design incorporates a m65 17mm-31mm focusing helical and different lens board/disc files for copal n.1-00 size shutters. The helical is coming from china so i have a lot of time to polish up the print with some sanding, matte painting the inside and adding felt for light seals.
Im gonna run it with a 90mm 6.8 Rodenstock Grandagon-N which i already purchased from Ebay.
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>>3797898
More pics of it?
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>>3797855
>still needs a hasselblad film back or something
>still gonna be a paperweight in 5-10 years when film is dead
I don't see the point
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>in 5-10 years when film is dead
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>>3797948
Heres the backside

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>>3797948
>>3798003
Film enclosure

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hp5+ or tri-x for portrait/fashion photography

I've used tri-x a bit because I like grittiness but something about hp5 tones are lovely

pic rel is tri-x
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>>3797996
I mean unless you plan to shoot tri-x and fuji c200 for 15$ a roll for the rest of your days, it's going to be de facto dead in 5 to 10 years.
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>>3797855
Just opened the back of my Pentax KM, Still had about 5 shots left on the reel, last photo I took on it was like a year ago. I feel like a retard.
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>>3798009
>for portrait/fashion photography
iso 100
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>>3798016
Sometimes that can work out.
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Damn - I've been shooting alot with my A1 lately and I'm floored by how great it feels to use and how great the 50mm f/1.8 performs. The bokeh is creamy as hell. What a time to be alive.
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>>3798009
They're very similar in all aspects anon, and the small differences, say in contrast and whatnot, can be mostly compensated by developer + dev technique (times, agitation, etc.).
So I say get what's cheaper or most readily available. Or if you nailed down your times and technique based on either film, keep using that, not worth the effort figuring those out for the other.

As an anecdote, in most, common developers and "standard" times, I prefer the lower midtone contrast of HP5+ over TriX. Seems to give a straighter curve.

Also in the UK I used to get HP5+ for a fiver, and TriX was £8+ (before the hikes), so I used it almost exclusively and figured out the look I like: Perceptol 1+3, shot at ISO160-200, -15% dev compared to recommendation, normal agitation after the first couple minutes and then slow inversion every 3 minutes.
Absolutely nice, full tonality and could tame even very contrasty scenes.
Due to price and availability, I never bothered to use TriX extensively and adapt it to look exactly as I wanted it (as above with HP5+). But it can be done.
Lastly, TriX has a slight speed advantage in Diafine, like half a stop or a bit more.

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>>3798046
bruh that is near on autistic levels of dedication to development

I literally just use a one stop cinestill bw dev kit and develop as normal then make any tweaks in post/LR
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>>3798046
>>3798054
Yeah dis shit is too much. I always just stand dev 100+1 rodinal. I dont give a fuck.
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>>3798056
Just trying to make a point lads.
TriX and HP5+ can be used interchangeably and everybody will be none the wiser without autistic side by side comparisons - if that.
The point is don't stress about it. They have virtually the same sensitivity, grain, response to developers, etc etc. . The only minor difference is HP5+ has a more straight curve while TriX a more S-curve given same development. That's all really.

>TL;DR: just use what's cheaper and more available, it doesn't matter.

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>>3798009
How do you achieve such sharpness?????
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>>3798081
I spy medium format if I'm not mistaken.
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i just bought my first film camera, what do you guys use for general purpose colour photography?
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is there any point in upgrading from an rb67?

i wish there was a 2.8 normal for the RB67, or the hasselblad 500cm was 6x7, or if there was some other mechanical only 6x7 camera with a 2.8 normal. that camera would be practically perfect
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>>3798203
Why what are you trying to do?
A 6x7 SLR is barely a handholdable low-light camera, what would you need the f/2.8 so much for?
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>>3798209
because there isn't one for his system and he's a gearfag
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>>3798209
subject isolation.

also i dont mind carrying around the rb its fun to use lol.

dof simulator seems to indicate the difference between a 110 2.8 and a 127 3.5 is basically irrelevant so i guess i will make due https://dofsimulator.net/en/

>>3798210
unironically this
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>>3798203
I do a shoot a week with my RZ don’t know why anyone thinks an electronic shutter is a bad thing.
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>>3798212
>subject isolation.
So let me get this straight, have you actually shot what you have wide open and you found it lacking? I barely shoot the 80mm at f/2.8 unless I actually need the light. But otherwise it’s not worth risking missed focus or one eye in focus while the other or the nose isn’t.

Have you tried a portrait lens? Something like the 180mm f/4.5? A typical portrait lens in MF will usually give you more subject isolation than you can handle.
Aperture is not the only way, focal length plays an even bigger role.
If you wanna go insane with subject isolation, get a cheap pentacon six and a relatively cheap 180mm f/2.8 Sonnar.
But once you actually use it, you’ll find out the gimmick wears out fast and it’s not practical to shoot like that in most cases.
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>>3798226
right now all i have is a 90 3.8 which i really really like but half-body shots have really cluttered backgrounds.

i find it very difficult to frame things from so far away but mb i just need to getgood
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>>3798234
Then give the 180mm a try.
It's one of the cheapest lenses for the system iirc, something like $100 or so.
It'll take care of cluttered backgrounds just fine, both due to thinner DoF and the narrower field of view that cuts out lots of the "peripheral" background.
And you might like the perspective better too.
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>>3798259
What film/ camera?
Also: Are you also using silverfast? I'm stuck on ver 6.6 that came with my plustek 7300.
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>>3798234
Control your goddamn background instead of bitching. It's work.
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>>3798259
Wanna buy a print bruv?
But gotta tell you, that's neither medium format nor 180mm.
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>>3798202
What do you mean what do we use? Like camera? film? what?
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>>3798015
As long as Hollywood filmmakers still shoot movies on film, they won't close down manufacturing for at least some film. They will need to maintain capacity to produce color film, in terms of manufacturing equipment and staff, so I expect they will continue to make some film basically forever, out to 30 years from now at least. It'll only get more expensive tho
>>3798202
kodak ultramax 400, proimage 100 when it's summer and not dark/overcast all the time
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>>3797960
It uses Mamiya backs. Have a you
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My first five rolls of film will be back from the lab next week, what's the common practice for dumping images? Would they go here because they're film, or should I just make my own "am I a talented photographer??" thread?
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>>3798372
Make your own thread
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>>3798015
There is still a market for technical film. Heck some dentists even still use X-ray film in 2021. So as long as demand for those is still there many manufactures may just continue to produce consumer film as it's using the same machines anyway.
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>>3798202
Fujifilm c200, kodak colourplus, kodak ultramax, kodak portra 400
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>>3798203
The Pentax 67 has a 105mm f2.4
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>>3798445
>1/30 flash sync

lmao
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>>3798462
sounds more like you have no money to buy one lmao
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>>3798470
:^)

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>>3798473
nice rentals brah
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>>3798477
cope harder :^)
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>>3798479
renting shit to post flex on 4chin isn't healthy brah baka
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>>3798480
>the rental cope

damn that’s sad, get your money up anon
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>>3798473
Sub 500 dollar cameras? Alright.
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>>3798081
rb67

>>3798091
das it

>>3798060
fair enough
I literally just use the cinestill df96 one stop developer for black and white

>>3798203
rb is lyf
I've shot at 1/15 with it before with no visible blur, just hold it against your body otherwise tripod

>>3798244
to add to this I used a 180mm for a while and it's reaaally good but limited, does 1 thing but it does that 1 thing very well
pic related, shot with the 180

>>3798462
matters not if you don't actually shoot in a studio
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>>3798493
>the pretending to be unaware cope

sad
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>>3798473
post receipt if not rental.
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>>3798487
the pen67's 90mm 2.8 has leaf shutter for hss btw
but go on, show us another excuse for nomoney cope :^)
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>>3798507
this just kinda sad brah

>>3798523
he said 105 2.4 anon I know it’s hard trying to read that quickly when you’re poor and mad :^)

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>>3798541
wow u overpaid
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>>3798542
just keep moving that goalpost anon you’ll find something that sticks (lol, not really)
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>>3798545
im sorry i own a fuji i'm above you in every regard
i shoot digital analog and you cannot even dream of the sharpness of my film :))))
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>>3798546
>i’m sorry

apologize to yourself for being a broke boy :^)
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should i sell my rz and get a pentax
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>>3798548
I bouy cockrings with my government allowance you cant even fathom how horny

c amera shit
kill you're selve and sacirfice to фoтogod mr kent cockwell
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>>3798551
sucks to suck :^)
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>>3798552
>>3798552
uuuhhhhhhhh wtf was you fukcin even doing lol post an photograpy
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>>3798554
pookie I make deals in jeans and sneakers this is 2021 tech money :^)
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>>3798557
show jeabs ass :A) o wait ur flay like a brick XDDDDDD
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I am going to dump a few. These are all from my Kodak Retina IF. I believe they are all Kodak Tri-X, maybe 1 or 2 are Arista Ultra. I believe all are 400 speed. Shot years ago and just recently developed

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>>3798609

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>>3798609

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>>3798609

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Also just got an Argus C3 for 12 bucks from a local thrift store and, after some slightly tedious tinkering with the rangefinder to get it calibrated, shot a roll of Bergger Pancro 400 with it to test it out. Excited to see how it turns out
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>>3798610
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3.6 meg photo of a STICK

Thanks for that valuable contribution
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>bruh film will never die 4 ever bruh
>Next day Fuji 400h DEAD
Kek
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>>3798622
Lmao
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Recently got an old Ruski rangefinder from my Grandad, seems to work fine but there is mould on the shutter. It looks like there are no light leaks when looking through the shutter, would this be alright to shoot with it?

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>>3798645
yeah what lens do you have?

i'd say there's like a 60% chance something really weird is off with it, like the shutter speeds are way off, the curtains stick, the second curtain is released to soon, who knows.

it'll be awesome if the rangefinder patch is still bright enough to focus with and if the rangefinder is still calibrated (the calibration is an easy fix).

i would put a roll of superia or colorplus orwhatever cheap film you can find through it, not hope for anything and see how it comes out
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>>3798646
It's a Jupiter 8 50mm f.2. I'm not sure about the calibration of the range finder, but the rangefinder patch still seems bright enough to focus with. And to my limited knowledge it does look like the curtain is works fine. My Grandad did take care of his cameras and he was pretty big into photography

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>>3797855
So how good are these things anyway? Been seeing them everywhere recently online and it looks pretty neat, but it's all just been people clapping at the idea of 3D printing a camera.
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>>3798323
I accidentally the sentence, sorry. I meant film.
>>3798429
>>3798331
ty bros, I'll pick up some portra or ultramax 400 because I live under permanent clouds
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>>3798624
https://kosmofoto.com/2020/01/eastman-kodaks-still-film-production-more-than-doubled-in-the-last-four-years/

umad
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All I want is a dark room but I'm poor as fuck :(
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>>3798738
I think someone on Emulsive or 35mmc just did a review on them. I might look into buying one
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>>3798738
the thing i can never find a comprehensive answer for is the focus and framing mechanisms.

are there any that aren't janky or are they all cumbersome rigamaroll like
> the viewfinder is a plastic ironsight
> zone focus
> if you want to see through ground glass you have to switch the back out
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>>3798768
And yet they keep increasing the price?
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>>3798829
>have objectively the most popular color film in the space
>now have zero competition

hmm how should they price it brainiac?
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>>3798829
Well they do say that there have been challenges in keeping up with increased demand. So maybe they're taking advantage of that and raising prices just because they can. Simple economics.
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Actual retard here, can someone explain overexposing vs pushing/pulling in development to me? If I'm shooting Ektar 100 and I rate everything at 65, how should I ask for it to be developed? Will it look good if it's developed at box speed still, or does some kind of compensation need to happen? I've been doggedly sticking to box speed for metering because I'm scared of getting this simple problem wrong
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>>3798846
Overexposing means you shoot at 65 and you don’t tell your lab anything. This is what you want to do. No one pulls film anymore.
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Anyone fuck around with Brownie box cameras or the like and respool 120 onto 620 spools? I got a Target Six-Twenty I wanted to try out and my smart ass thought "oh I have a camera that does both 120 and 620, I'll just run it through there a couple times, ez". It *seemed* to work but I think the loose end of the film not taped onto the backing paper caused some issues. Ended up having to retape the starting end and lost 2-3 frames.

For the future, should I just respool it by hand? Or is there a way I could make this work? I guess at the very least I could use the 120/620 camera to make winding a bit easier.
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>>3798846
Overexposing means just that, giving more light than necessary to your exposure.
Similarly for underexposing.

Pushing means developing for longer. This is usually done in tandem with (and to compensate for) underexposing.
Pulling means developing for less time. Usually done in tandem with overexposing.
The confusion might be from the fact that many times people will say I "pushed X to Y" without mentioning the underxposure part which is usually implied. Then others will say "I pulled Z" and mean only the development part or only the overexposure part.
It's always better to be clear like "shot at X, devved at Y".

Pulling (i.e. overexposing *and* reducing development) colour negative film doesn't make much sense.
In B&W the effect of pulling is reducing contrast so you can capture a scene with high dynamic range without blown highlights or crushed shadows. As a secondary effect, you get less grain. The only sacrifice is speed, since you shoot at lower ISO when pulling.
In C-41 film, the main problem is colour casts when pulling (or pushing), and this is true for all colour processes. The 3+ layers that correspond to the primary colours and are calibrated with each other to give correct colour balance, don't behave identically under pushing or pulling, so the colour balance is affected. And it's not a simple, uniform colour cast, but it's different in highlights and shadows (also inbetween, but less noticeably so), which is a bitch to correct.
Now combine this major drawback with the fact that many C-41 films have wider dynamic range than B&W (primary point of pulling is to increase DR), so you see why pulling C-41 is a rare thing.

That said, you can overexpose a tad and be fine. It's a common thing to do, either to open up shadows a bit, or to be safe (from underexposure) if shooting at aperture priority with a not so sophisticated meter.
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Is $350 leafs too much for an eos 3?

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>>3798910
Yes, 100 is more like it.
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>>3798921
fuggg i will never find a good cheap eos
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my olympus XA I enjoy using but it has bad fungus in the lens and the photos are affected especially in bright light.

I'd buy another but they are legit over 100 dollars in good working condition. Recommend me a good similar and capable point and shoot that hasn't been skyrocketed in value by hipsters yet?
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>>3799074
Konica C35 is a neat little camera, no manual aperture but it is a rangefinder. (s2 and s3 variants are hipster'd but have a f1.8 aperture)

Yashica Electro 35 FC and CC is a rangefinder with aperture priority, however it uses weird batteries that might be difficult to find.

If you can forgo the rangefinder and go zone focusing, your options greatly increase with such bangers as the Konica C35 EF, Agfa Sensor Flash, Konica C35 EF3 and others I can't really think of now.
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>>3798829
Production cannot meet up with demand. So they are increasing the cost to fund an expansion to their production facility.

>>3798879
Yeah, I brought a Kodak Bullseye on a recent trip to the mountains. They're fun cameras. A step up from Holga's in build quality and usability while still being kinda shitty point and shoots. You don't need to respool 620 to 120, you can simply take some toenail clippers and trim the edges of the 120 spool so it fits in the camera (look it up).
Here's my recommendation guy. The Kodak cameras are annoying because of their proprietary format. If you want to stick with the simpleness of a box camera pick up an Agfa B-2 for dirt cheap. If you want -slightly- more features a classic folder from certo6.com is cool.
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>>3799089
Lmao imagine recommending a yashica 35 in the year 2021
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>>3799124
lmao imagine shooting film in [current year]
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>>3799110
I know of the clipper trick, and it works in some models, but not in mine nor most of the Brownies. The flanges of the 620 spool, in addition to being smaller in diameter, are also thicker, making the whole spool slightly longer than 120 so that it won't fit mechanisms without spring-loaded film holders -- like my Target 620. I would have to sand down the ends of the spool in addition, which is probably more trouble than it's worth and, I'd suspect, could easily end up damaging the film.

I'll keep my eye out for that Agfa but I like my Target. Very cool classic look, and I've heard it's the best Brownie model.
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>>3798550
no, you should be happy with what you have, anon. why do you want to switch?
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>>3799074
if you're in EU I'll sell you my XA for 80+shipping
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>>3799074
Minolta Riva 115 Zoom - pic related was taken on mine

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im shooting hp5+ at 3200 because that's what i have fuck you which developer should i use if i want the shittest most high contrast grainey edgelord results?
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before i waste a bunch of film and do it anyways, im wondering what fomapan 100 would look like being pushed 5 stops to 3200? it looks like its a lot more common to push fomapan 400 and i haven't seen many samples of people pushing the 100.
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>>3799206
Shit. I did it with Shanghai gp3 once years ago. It has good image quality funnily enough but there was backing paper marks on the film (but not on non pushed rolls). I’d say maybe try gp3 400 if you want a cheap faster film, foma is good at losing speed isn’t it.
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>>3799199
Rodinal for the grain and some contrast. HC-110 or ilfotec hc or lc29 for the contrast and still grainy. In hc110 you should be able to increase the time a bit more for more contrast too, it should not shoulder as hard as other developers.
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>>3799206
This is Fomapan 100 pushed to 1600 and HC110 stand dev for two hours. I'm not sure I'd do it again. I think I'd max out pushing Foma 100 to 800 and not go much further than that.

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>>3799209
>foma is good at losing speed isn’t it
what do you mean by this? like it will just stop reacting to the developer after a certain point?
>I’d say maybe try gp3 400 if you want a cheap faster film
i'll keep an eye out for it, but i tend to buy whatever i can find though. i don't normally have much of a choice.
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>>3799216
why not? this pic looks great
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>>3799199
Caffenol
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>>3798651
how is the viewfinder on this? i love ancient rangefinders but the tiny shitholes you have to look through really suck if you wear glasses. with my konica 1 i have to focus with my glasses on, and then remove them to get close enough to see the frame edges. taking the shot is a longer process than i feel like it could be
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Ever wonder whether you should keep shooting film?

I don't find myself doing it as much as digital because I always either need a higher ISO than what's in my cameras or I don't feel like shooting B&W when I have color, or vice versa.

Then I feel like buying more cameras so I can shoot more types of film at once, but I don't know if that's logic or just me lusting after sexy old film cameras.

And part of me worries that it's unsustainable because I could buy a bunch of these cameras and films could just keep getting discontinued and then I've got things that are worthless. The future really is digital and you can get film-like results if you use bullshit like vsco presets.

But yeah, I dunno. What say you guys.

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>>3799240
holy shit dude you're blowing my mind right now
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I have a Tri -X 400 that I purchased back in 2016/2017. It has been stored in its plastic cylinder, in a mason jar with a seal in my fridge at 2-3 C this whole time.

It will still produce good photos, right?
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>>3798259
This person looks awfully familiar... upstate NY?
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>>3799199
That your pic? Looks sick.

Just curious though, after pushing the film that far how much does the developer matter? If I were to do that and take it to a lab (dont know what chems and process they use) would the end result still be cool?
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>>3799261
If you need more than iso 800 indoors, you need to turn on the light, my dude

>You can use VSCO and it's like film
Oh nvm you're an idiot
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>>3799286
This is iso400 indoor, just a ceiling lamp and a candle on the table.

How can you constantly need higher iso than what you have in cam?

Forget the bullshit of digital shooting at 6400 or over, film behaves much better
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>>3799274
Yes lol

I shot something like 10 years old that definitely was not stored in a fridge or anything and it gave me some of my favorite shots
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>>3799241
Yeah it is quite small and the rangefinder patch is pretty dim. Haven't used it properly yet, and this is my first rangefinder, need to get a roll of film to try it out, I'll let you know how I get on when I try it.
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>>3797855

Everything else being equal, which produces a picture of higher perceived acquity / sharpness at internet resolution, something around 8mpx, a regular 6x9 lens like fujis EBC coated lenses or a high end 35mm lens from Leica or contax? The answer seemed obvious but after shooting multiple formats for a while, I'm not so sure anymore. My 35mm shots with modern glass seem sharper than old tlr 6x6 frames, but I'm wondering if luxury glass really is that special.
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>>3799194
This needs like +5 of magenta
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>>3799306
If we are talking Instagram resolution aka 1080*1080, what people perceive as "quality" is separation, or "pop", which Leica lenses seem to excel at.
Are they worth 5000? No
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>>3798202
>my first film camera
shoot literally anything try all the stuff
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>>3797996
film is going to die when it's finally the year of linux desktop
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>>3799284
>how much does the developer matter?
i dunno
>If I were to do that and take it to a lab
the lab i go to charges extra per stop you push. so if i wanted them to do anything fun or risky it would feel wasteful. maybe ill develop my film in vietnamese coffee after this other anon suggested it
>>3799261
>Then I feel like buying more cameras so I can shoot more types of film at once
i came to this same conclusion fairly quickly. luckily i enjoy film for its imperfections and old cameras (see konica, fed, zorki) are cheap
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>>3799306
>Everything else being equal, which produces a picture of higher perceived acquity / sharpness at internet resolution, something around 8mpx, a regular 6x9 lens like fujis EBC coated lenses or a high end 35mm lens from Leica or contax?
There's no chance any 135 format lens, from Leica or Zeiss or whoever, is gonna match a "modern" (80's) medium format lens. It's not even close. Chasing resolution in 35mm with high end, expensive lenses is a fool's errand. Many times you can buy a whole medium format system just with the price difference between a "good" and "great" lens in 35mm.

When you resize a lot, this becomes less visible. At 8MP, realistically, 35mm is resized by a factor of 1.5-2x at most. Grain is still visible and most of the detail the film can give you is still there. Maybe you perceive that grain definition as acuity.
At 8MP, a medium format frame is resized 4-5x at least. Resolution is lost, and grain is not visible, making for a smoother look.

I suggest try different sharpening parameters or resizing algorithms for the MF frames, to get the look that you want. For instance a good MF scan, say at 3600dpi, and resized with Lanczos at 8MP is extremely sharp.
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>>3797865
Would you share STEP files for this? Could remix it easier to use different lens mounts. Don't want to buy a helical mount from china.
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Saw this set for sale, what its its approx worth? Mamiya 646 1000s with 35mm, 80mm and 150mm. Including a handle and a flash. Current bid is 650... looked up the lenses but I think total worth is at around 700. Am I correct?
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>>3799366
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>>3799240
>>3799265
reading more about developing with coffee and it sounds like this would probably suck balls at pushing the film more than a stop or so. my current edgelord routine is to push like 2-3 stops
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>>3799372
What do you mean? I've never done it before but know it's possible.
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>>3799375
im just googling with my fat here. a good developer will be more selective in cucking the exposed/unexposed crystals on the film. so a lot of chemical solutions can do this and result in some image, but a shitty one will be less selective about which parts of the image get cucked. increase development time in order to "push" the film to a higher iso, and you end up with an extremely thin negative. that's my googlefat understanding anyway
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>>3799375
SO IN CONCLUSION results with coffee will vary more as you push it far past the films box speed
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>>3799377
>>3799378
im trying to find example shots where caffenol was used to push the film like 3 stops. hp5+ 400 @ 3200 with actual developer is pretty dank
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>>3799241
just get contacts lmao
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>>3799274
I'd say you only really need to start worry about quality loss after like 15-20 years, and even then most of the time you can fuck around with exposure and development a bit and get fine results. Old expired film also certainly has a cool look to it.
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>>3799366
You would be happier with a 645 pro/80 combo for the same price imho.
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>>3799306
>higher perceived acquity / sharpness

whatever that means
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>>3799380
I see I see, a guy In here (https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/pushing-with-caffenol-c.29800/) did 200, 400 and 800 in caffenol-c
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>>3799392
those results are pretty impressive
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>>3799228
Foma’s box speed is overrated compared to other films
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>>3799395
Is it a problem with all their films or only the 400? I just shot some 200.
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I've got two packs of this and a working super8 camera.

How can I develop this on my own? I'm guessing the color chems are long gone, but can I still do black and white?
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>>3799397
I tried developing Kodachrome double 8 as black+white in caffenol once. Was a disaster.

It is possible to get results though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v0uKLvr0Bc&ab_channel=ZeroBudgetFilmSchool
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Tried some still lives on film... not sure if I could print these as is, required some messing around in lightroom...

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>>3799406
Also this but this is boring comparatively

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How important is the mirror damper in an SLR? does it affect anything but the sound? i thought about replacing the light seals on my SLRs but honestly I dont wanna fiddle around the ground glass and mirror if its not necesarry
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>>3799391
Easiest way I can explain the difference is that you develop two rolls of bw film, one in a high acuity developer like rodinal and the other in a solvent developer like ilfosol. The "pop" is different.
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>>3799414
It also reduces shake and vibration
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>>3799460
but it doesnt affect the images directly, does it? like in form of light leaks or any weird casts or glows
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>I just shot some 200
The 200 is excellent and its box speed very accurate.
The 200 is what came out of Foma's attempt to make tabular grain film (like Tmax, Delta, etc.). They didn't quite succeed, but they didn't fail either; they got quite a high percentage of pure t-grains in the emulsion to call it a "proper" tabular grain film. But they didn't get a high percentage of some "inbetween" type of grains, in triangular and hexagonal shape.

Long story short it behaves kinda inbetween a traditional cubic grain film, and a t-grain film in most aspects.
For instance it takes longer to fix than traditional grain films, lust like most t-grain films do, but not as long as say Tmax. Also, usually traditional grain films get a speed increase in diafine, while t-grain ones a decrease, fomapan 200 stays right on the spot. And so on, you get the point.
It's very sharp and high resolving, officially at 110lp/mm (Tmax 100 is 120lp/mm, Tmax 200 is 100lp/mm). Grain is fine, finer than traditional cubic grain films, a bit coarser than pure t-grain films.
Speed is bang on and it's flexible, for pushing and pulling.

All in all really nice film, for a great price.
10/10, would recommend.

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Meant to quote >>3799396
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>>3799390
What are the advantages of a pro?
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>>3799377
>googling with my fat
>cucking the exposed/unexposed crystals on the film
>which parts of the image get cucked
>googlefat
Can you fucking talking normally?
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>>3799471
So all the different Foma films are actually different films and not just the same thing at different speeds? Didn't know that. Thanks for that info though, good to know
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>>3799461
It could affect focus if the mirror falls too low
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>>3799471
same his ass is cut off
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>>3799518
>So all the different Foma films are actually different films and not just the same thing at different speeds?
Yeah of course, each one is a unique emulsion. The 100 and 400 are traditional grain films. Those are the ones whose speeds are a bit "optimistic".
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>>3799286
>If you need more than iso 800 indoors, you need to turn on the light, my dude
My friends and family like it dark, I dunno why. It's always ISO 3200 conditions indoors. If you're shooting a still life like >>3799287 then it doesn't matter, but if you need your shutter to freeze motion of people, then it becomes a problem.
>Oh nvm you're an idiot
Yes I am.

>>3799336
I decided to do it. I bought another film body. That way I can have color and B&W at the same time and different ISOs. Fuck it, I'm going in.
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>>3799572
>I dunno why. It's always ISO 3200 conditions indoors.
Usually, I think most normally-to-low lit indoors you can get by with ISO800 and f/2 at 1/30 or so. It would have to be deliberately dim to need more than that. Which might be the case as you're saying. Also 1/30 is the limit shooting people that are holding a pose for a second. 1/60 and above if they're moving around even a small amount.
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>>3799414
I've read that if you let the mirror cushion just break down, little bits will come off and potentially get stuck on the mirror and/or find their way into other parts of the camera's internals and fuck shit up.
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>>3799647
Old foams turn into this black powder when you touch them. That stuff does not wash off even from your fingers good luck with your focusing screen or internals.
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There was an anon in one of the film threads about a month ago that said he was going to do a video on fixing hazed lenses. Anyone know if he did it? Does anyone know what can be done about it?
Picrel is second to last element from a SMC takumar 50/1.7 and it wasn't like that when I stored it and finally got around to fixing the ME Super it belonged on only to find the only prime lens I have for it unusable.

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hello!

I wanna buy some Fomapan 100 since it's the cheapest black and white film I can get, and some chems do develop it at home. What chems should I get for it?

If I understood correctly, I need a developer, stopper and a fixer.

I'm mainly buying from fotoimpex, what can I get from there to develop it?
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>>3799572
>>My friends and family like it dark, I dunno why. It's always ISO 3200 conditions indoors.
because your camera wants to make everything 18% grey.

But if the room is dark, let it be dark.
Let blacks be blacks and lights be lights, and you can use iso 800.
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>>3799714
Nice, good texture on the cloth
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>>3798829
>what is economics 101?
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>>3799749
adonal (rodinal), mix it 1:100 and let it stand develop for an hour or two.
i use vinegar as stop bath, mix it 1:1 with plain water.
Ilford Rapid fixer, for fixer.
I wash the roll with dish soap to prevent streaking after fixing.
ezpz
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>>3799714
excellent colors
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hold me back from spending 200€ on ebay for a spotmeter or should i grab one ?
i have a little sekonic but doing landscapes it's kinda useless
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>>3799920
thanks the key to portra is editing out the portra colors
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>>3799206
>>3799216
foma 200 is easy pushable...just check massive dev chart
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>>3799955
Just use an app on your phone with camera zoom function
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>>3799965
isn't this a meme ?!?
i wouldn't care at all if i was shooting digitally..
i mainly like to go outside with a 6x6 or 4x5 inch and take landscapes.... i use the stupid sekonic few feet away from the camera but my main object is far away lol
do you really recommend a smartphone app for that ?
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>>3799967
It’s just comfier using a dedicated meter but realistically the same result.
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>>3799229
Depending on the scene, some frames were quite thin. Ideal for high contrast scenes but not for full winter days. Another frame from the same roll.

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>>3800041
spooky

good comp
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>>3800041
Looks great
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for home developing
whenever I use photoflo at the end with 120 I get 0 water marks
whenever I do it with 35mm there's always water marks everywhere no matter what I do
any ideas?
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What do you guys think of Bergger Pancro? Recently shot a roll of it, pic related. I like it quite a lot for the classic grainy look.

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Did anyone here use the NPC Forscher Proback II Polaroid-Back? Is it what I think it is? Can I shoot instant photography with it?
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>>3799751
NZ?
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if the door on my pentax mx is shut and there's no film in there, how do I open the rear door?
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>>3799704
Tried leaving it in direct sunlight for a week?
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>>3800238
You lift the roll winder up like on most cameras. The thingy you turn when rewinding the roll after shooting.
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>>3800241
thanks man, I was scared of being too rough with it so I wasn't pulling enough, but it's supposed to be difficult by design
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So, he clearly posts here, right?
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Is there a relatively compact medium format film camera that is also affordable?

The Mamiya 7 seems perfect but it is also extremely expensive.
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>>3800309
I doubt it. He can be annoying sometimes with his 'im so bored and apathetic' persona but I like his vids. Also that IG user name is so fucking bad lmao
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>>3800329
I'm impressed you can fuck that landwhale goblin of a gf, Jason

do you keep the lights on, or is that too much?
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I should know better at this point, but how long does exposed film last before I can't develop it?

I shot a bunch of rolls in January/Feb/March of last year and then stuck them in the fridge and forgot about. Can I send them to the lab and they'll turn out fine?
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>>3800331
How would it even make sense that I'd be him? more than half of that post is trashing him.

Regardless, is his gf fat? Ive never seen her before lol
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>>3800339
I kept a (hp5) roll in a cam for 13 months and it turned out fine.

Keep in mind I'm in Rome so room temp is like 20-25 degrees.

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>>3800341
>more than half of that post is trashing him.
just like his channel ;-)
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>>3800349
I was just replying to him.
I'm not the guy with the doubt.
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>>3800349
>i suggest you go to a shop called Ars Imago, they ask for 4.5€ for a develop and they are passionate and helpful retailers.
I've been their client since like 2013

but recently Sabatini has cheaper film prices, which is telling
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>>3800329
the apathetic/deadpan way he talks is honestly one of the few reasons i watch his videos. the other guy he sometimes shoots with is way too fucking hyper and i fucking hate it. he sounds like he's chilling and doing what he likes.
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>>3800309
No I don't
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Has snyome ever gotten fogged up film thst was scsnned during shipping? I've never heard of ig happening. Now that airports have the new scanners, I'm thinking of shipping the exposed rolls directly to my house when travelling.
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>>3800325
GS645
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i cant decide between getting the 60mm 2.8 afd or the 85 1.8 afd for my F4. i already own a 50 1.4 and a 90 2.8.
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>>3800425
Trashcan tier
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>>3800423
You can just ask them to hand check it. Put your rolls in a clear ziplock bag and hand it to one of the security agents at the scanner
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can anyone explain to me why Kodak pro image 100 is so cheap? i can get a pack of 5 for 37 eurobucks which is almost half the price of ektar. form the scans i've seen online it doesnt look so bad. considering that my father decided to get back into film photography (by buying a leica R9, which i'm pretty stoked to try out with him) should i just buy a cuple propacks for us to play around with or is it just a shit emulsion?
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>>3800450
I assume it's because 100 speed film is more difficult to shoot. You need good light.
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>>3799124
Yashica 35s are slept on, what are you talking about. The 50 1.7 is sharp as fuck, and only idiots dont realise that the battery problem can be mitigated by taping together 4 LR44s and turning a paper clip into a makeshift spring.

Its a tinny little RF for sure, but the picture quality is amazing

Stay in the dark fool.

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>>3800482
>inb4 muh Leica glass

even the pixel peeping faggots out there can't deny the Yashica

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>>3800484
Judging by these I’d say they’re appropriately valued.
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>>3800490
Here's a picture i took of your mother. Now you must admit as her darling son, she looks divine through this Yashica lens

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>>3800450
>can anyone explain to me why Kodak pro image 100 is so cheap?
it was marketed to latin countries which are poorer

then it was selling like hotcakes and they decided to start selling in Europe and the rest too, and didn't want to cannibalize that sweet sweet Ektar money from hipster paying 12 a roll, so they kept it cheap
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How practical is it to travel with medium format cameras?

From everything I have heard/seen, the Mamiya RB67 seems gigantic.
Is it possible/practical to pack it in a suitcase and fly with it?
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>>3800534
buy a rolleiflex, it doesnt occupy much more volume than a prosumer dslr with a non pancake lens on it
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Some are smaller than others.
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>>3800541

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>>3800541
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>>3800534
u can fly with the rb anon, just don't be a bitch
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>>3800541
>>3800542
You can get a folding medium format cam (like a Rolfix 1, which I got for like twenty bucks at an antique store) that'll fit in your pocket. Just make sure you check the shutter to make sure it still functions and verify the bellows are still light tight, because those tend to die with age if they're not maintained, and a lot of those are just set on a shelf to look pretty instead of being properly used.
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>>3800240
No, I haven't tried anything except pulling it apart to see if it was oil film that I could clean. The haze is inside that cemented lens pair. Would leaving it in the sun do anything for the cement? I might give that a try.
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>>3800103
good photo nice work do you want to have sex
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>>3800493
based
>>3800482
>>3800484
i almost picked one of these up the other day, but im trying not to own too much photo gear. some of these cameras are an incredible value
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>>3800493
yeah this looks like a $30 camera took it
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So I just watched the Vivian Maier documentary. Something that really stuck with me was how did she afford the cameras and all the film? Multiple rolleiflexes, a black Leica iii with probably a Leica lens? Umpteen thousands of rolls of film?! All while working as a nanny. Insane.
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Heya guys, gearfag question
I have a P30N that I shoot with, but im wanting some new lenses
a camera shop near my work has some second hand K mount lenses though I havent had a chance to look at them yet

are there any must have lenses in K mount, or any that stand out as really fun or interesting that I can keep an eye out for?

cheers, have this shot I took on a roadtrip in decemeber I dont hate

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>>3800762
anon most of people' earnings go towards rent/mortgage, taking care of children/parents, expensive furniture, electronics, clothes, etc
if you're without them, like maier was, then you can afford a lot of expensive gear
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>>3800534
I'm travelling with my rb67 on Thursday along with tripod and filters

No room for clothes though
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>>3800775
You're right of course. I guess I just couldn't fully appreciate how void her life was of anything else.
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>>3800762
I assume by default that a successful artist is financially independent by some unrelated means.
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>>3800437
Explain. The Fuji EBC lenses are top tier. You will not get better glass for cheaper.
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>>3800442
I have multiple connections, I'm not going to go through that every time, nor do I have time for it.
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>>3800791
>how void her life was of anything else.
spoken like a true normalfag.

There's a thing called priorities, and society does try to dictate them to people, but some individuals feel more free than others to set their own.
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>Yashica Electro 35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xX0Z7Ogl-Q
This guy goes out and shoots what looks like a single roll of film and absolutely nails it. Crazy
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>>3800833
>Crazy
what's crazy about it?

he's been shooting street on film for years
while I don't think his work has much artistic value, his technique and ability to notice has been honed for a long time

plus with sunny days and zone focusing you are basically pointing and shooting, so you just need to frame quickly.
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>>3800768
if you want more shots like that just rip the saturation and pop sliders who cares what lens you used
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>>3800832
>There's a thing called priorities, and society does try to dictate them to people, but some individuals feel more free than others to set their own.
El base. Some people rent big apartments with new appliances and buy new cars every 5 years. Some people buy film.
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here's the scan I got from the lab, sorry for defiling the medium by daring to do some processing

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>>3800821
>a successful artist
so, not Maier
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>>3800855
nice! now that looks like a real color palette. that or I'm full of shit. either one.
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>>3800859
mix leaning towards the former
any reccs for K mount stuff to keep an eye on btw?
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>>3800862
I've only used the M series 50/1.7 and 40/2.8 but I really like for their size esp the 40. Pic related is the 50 and it's definitely got some character.
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>>3800862
>any reccs for K mount stuff
why not dive down the youtube rabbit hole, wallowing in epidermic grease and sadness to your inevitable death in a deeply post capitalist dystopian solitude
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>>3800897
cause I figured i'd ask people who actually use lenses and dont just buy em for a vid and resell em
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>>3800894
Is there a term for that spherical bokeh in this image?
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>>3800902
Most call it swirly bokeh
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Why are my scans coming out like this? This is probably the worst example but they're generally grainy and muddy.
Using a plustek 8100, scanning in silverfast as hdr raw positive DNGs with current settings:
>format
17.28x12 inch
>preset
Photo Quality 1
>res.
3600ppi
>gamma gradation
2.20
>autosharpness
ticked
Then converting in Negative Lab following the instructions on the readme.
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>>3800917
don't know about gamma but I scan raw tiff

make sure you use 24bit rgb, no more no less
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>>3800902
>>3800903
they also look soap-bubbley to me, which is another fun term to describe the contents of my mouth
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>>3800917
>>autosharpness
i don't know any about anything but maybe i wouldn't tick this
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Gotta love those Fuji film tones from David Lynch's Twin Peaks S1

what's the modern equivalent?
Cinestill doesn't come close
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>>3800921
It's ticked by default, desu I didn't notice it until now so never played around with it.
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>>3800833
What's crazy about his photographs? It looks like some NPC discovered rule of thirds, centred framing and now he can't think outside of framing his shots outside of this stale bullshit.
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>>3800929
>>What's crazy about his photographs?
zoomers are amazed at film shooters taking photos and moving on without chimping on their screen if they "got" the shot or not
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>>3800925
Lynch pissed on larping nostalgia faggots like you with 3 season. Modern equivalent of this is Season 3 of Twin Peaks in which Lynch used digital tools.
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>>3800931
haven't watched yet
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>>3800931
>larping nostalgia faggots
I happen to be born before this show aired, kid
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>>3800930
>BRO IT'S SHOT ON FILM SO IT'S MUST BE GOOD BECAUSE THIS IS REAL PHOTOGRAPHY MY FAV YT FILM E-CELEB SAID SO NOW I FUCKING HATE MY DIGITAL CAMERA BRO THIS AIN'T REAL PHOTOGRAPHY
I am totally sick of these retards.
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>>3800933
>being 30+ and still on 4chan
congratulations on completely failing at life
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>>3800936
>>>being 30+ and still on 4chan
>congratulations on completely failing at life
I'm at work
My wife is baking a cake at home (remote work)

enjoy your teens/20s, kid, it's nice to be young and free
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>>3800937
is "you are here forever" true?
early 20s are totally horrible. i have picked up photography to avoid my suicide brooding.
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>>3800940
>early 20s are totally horrible
You're doing it wrong
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>>3800940
>is "you are here forever" true?
I'm here since 2007 or 8, so...
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>>3800833
>This guy
Hi, this guy. Nice try at self promotion. Try it again and see what happens.
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>>3800946
There is no "doing it wrong" when this life itself is wrong.

>Imagine a number of men in chains, all under sentence of death, some of whom are each day butchered in the sight of the others; those remaining see their own condition in that of their fellows, and looking at each other with grief and despair await their turn. This is an image of the human condition.

― Blaise Pascal, Pensées

>>3800953
Shit
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>>3800963
death, or rather, mortality, is the only thing giving life meaning.
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>>3800965
I agree with you. But high awareness of death sucks any meaning of it.
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>>3800967
depression (the real, clinical one) is a bitch
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>>3800968
True.


>It is a level of psychic pain wholly incompatible with human life as we know it. It is a sense of radical and thoroughgoing evil not just as a feature but as the essence of conscious existence. It is a sense of poisoning that pervades the self at the self's most elementary levels. It is a nausea of the cells and soul. It is an unnumb intuition in which the world is fully rich and animate and un-map-like and also thoroughly painful and malignant and antagonistic to the self, which depressed self It billows on and coagulates around and wraps in Its black folds and absorbs into Itself, so that an almost mystical unity is achieved with a world every constituent of which means painful harm to the self. Its emotional character, the feeling Gompert describes It as, is probably mostly indescribable except as a sort of double bind in which any/all of the alternatives we associate with human agency — sitting or standing, doing or resting, speaking or keeping silent, living or dying — are not just unpleasant but literally horrible.

― David Foster Wallace, Infinite Jest
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>>3797855
Yes
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>>3800968
depression is a bitch regardless of the fact that you got a pice of paper from a shrink saying that you are "clinically" depressed. being a mental illness the difference isnt stark at all, unless you are drawing a comparision between depression and whatever is now "cool" to be affected by according to zoomer media.
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>>3801045
>unless you are drawing a comparision between depression and whatever is now "cool" to be affected by according to zoomer media.
yes that's what I was going at
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>>3800972
why do you keep posting this picture?
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>>3800827
Post your top tier GS645 photos then
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>>3801061
This is the second time I've seen it, though it is quite depressing.
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>>3799140
because the pentax lenses might be better then the mamiyos
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>>3800862
200mm f/2.5 is pretty neat, great color and sharpness, but dont pay more than you would from modern glass. A big beast though.

I own the 50mm 1.7 and the 50mm 1.2. Both have a great look to them, altough wide open the 1.2 is on the soft side. But I have not shot any other 1.2 to compare it with either. Tried the 1.4, it was softer than the 1.2 wide open so I went with the 1.2 for twice the money. 200 eurobucks.
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>>3800931
And everyone hated it
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>>3801081
I dont own one, I like WLF more than rangefinder.
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>>3801126
Oh so you've never shot one cool
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>>3801109
this seems like a compelling argument that it literally doesnt matter
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>6x6
>6x7
Do people here have a strong opinion about either size?
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Recently bought an Albinar Ms-2 which is a re-badged Chinon CM-5. How bad did i do for $50?
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>>3800833
guys what if i took a picture of.... someone taking a picture!
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>>3801208
6x7 (4x5/8x10) is the chad format
6x6 is okay for portraits, I guess?
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>>3801208
I hate squares for composition, 6x7 is a great ratio in both orientations
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would be nice if at least one of you dumb faggots fighting about MF formats had a picture to your names. you people are unironically worse than digital gearfaggots, at least they take pictures of their dogs or something

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>>3801245
you ok?
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>>3801245
>screams about MF
>posts a 35mm shot

lel
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>>3801237

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>>3801245
That's Rome isn't it
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>>3801504
how can you recognize such a shitty ass building? it is, by the way.
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>>3801532
I recognize er degrado, and the architecture and "sgomberi cantine"
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>>3801533
makes sense. do you develop your film at a shop or a lab? the place i normally use takes a week to ship the film to their associated lab and get it back, i'd like to skip the middle man and give them to a lab directly, but I don't know any.
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>>3801534
I also so far used labs that ship, I think they all do now in Rome.

I'm gonna try M&S Materiale Forografico (in the center, near Campo De Fiori) next, as they only take 4.50€ for develop only (I scan on a Plustek) and they cannot be slower than what I already use.

ars-imago.com is also slow, or was last time I used them some 3 years ago.

I'm even thinking of starting to dev myself, after the initial material shopping the dev per roll cost gets very cheap (like 2 a roll) but I shoot film very slow and I'm afraid chems will decay before I can do the 14-16 rolls they promise in 6 months
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>>3801521
Please tell me you don't live here. This photo looks like Auschwitz
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>>3801132
I owned a gw690iii for a while, excelkent lens. But sure, fuck me from actually trying to offer what you were asking for. If youre too poor for a mamiya 7, there you are.
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Thinking about ordering a bunch of cheapish b/w films so I have some in stock.
Should I go for Agfa APX400 or Fomapan 400? They seem to be reasonably cheap. I had good experience with APX400 in the past but never tried Fomapan.
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>>3801550
Yeah that’s not the camera you’re recommending. And I’m not the anon asking, but if you really wanna talk about dough that’s my 4C track car at my house in:

>>3799714

Never understood why this board always feels the need to scream poorfag at every opportunity.
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>>3801709
Well, you have your answer there already my guy
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>>3801717
Theyre rangefinders with lenses that are identical in design and coating. Theyre one of the best deals in the sub 1000 dollar range for MF rangefinders, and the folder GS are among the most portable MF system ever. But whatever, youre a toxic guy anyway, go sell your hunk of junk and buy that mamiya if its too rich for your blood.
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>>3801717
>Is there a relatively compact medium format film camera that is also affordable?

>The Mamiya 7 seems perfect but it is also extremely expensive.
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>>3801709
I could alternatively buy a box of 12 expired (1997) rolls of tmax100... I'd Dev at home - is it harder if the film is expired?
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>>3801763
*For 35€.
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>>3801758

Just post good shots taken with the GS then lel. I own three Mamiyas already but whatever helps you feel better; not sure why I would need to sell a $70k weekend toy to buy a literal $4k film camera :^)

>muh toxicity :(
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>>3801767
Because you literally said its too expensive? Next time you ask for budget cameras, dont act all too good for them when you get offered them.
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>>3801769
Can't tell if you genuinely think I'm the original anon asking about budget MF or that's just you're coping mechanism

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>>3801772
Why tf would you reply like that then?

But ok, you name a portable MF system under a grand thats better than the GS.
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>>3801772
>you're
heh, trolling is a art
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>>3801776
This was my response
>>3800437
Because it's true, for the same reasons you sold your 690 lel.
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I'm thinking of buying a Zeiss Ikon Super Ikonta as my first medium format film camera if I can snag it for a good price.
I'm accepting suggestions for the cheapest decent 6x6 film camera.
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>>3801847
How cheap? Yashica TLRs are still pretty inexpensive
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>>3801849
Around €100-150.
Yashica 124gs in working condition sell for no less than €250-300 it seems.
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>>3801536
i've been using ars imago aswell but i'm getting tired of the waiting time (and the 2ish euro mark up on film compared to sabatini), MeS seems to. be quite a nice shop if you trust the google reviews, i. might try it myself aswell next time.
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Thoughts on Canon EF film cameras?

I have a bunch of EF lenses and I am thinking about getting something like a Canon EOS 300 or 600 camera
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>>3801847
>Zeiss Ikon Super Ikonta
If you can get it for a good price, go for it, it's one of the nicest folders.
You have to manage expectations though. Folders are not outstanding when it comes to technical quality.
The main reason is folders fell out of popularity by the late 50's, so they never got the major advancements of lenses - most of them use 3 or 4-element tessars. Same goes for viewfinder/focusing/rangefinder quality and ergonomics.
The other reason is film and lens alignment issues, a folder is not the sturdiest frame to keep the lens parallel to the film plane.
Obviously these don't apply to modern folders like those from Fuji/Bessa, Plaubel Makina etc., just the classic folders from the '50s and earlier.

You might want to also check out the Iskra (6x6) or the Moskva-5 (6x9, Super Ikonta clone).
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>>3801709
>>3801763
You can get results from expired film, 23 years should really be no big deal, particularly with black and white. You may want to tweak your developing time and/or exposure a tad. Here's a good article: https://emulsive.org/articles/rants/how-to-shoot-expired-film-or-no-you-do-not-need-to-add-one-stop-per-decade

Of course, especially when compounded with the age, you're not going to be able to shoot anything on 100 speed film that's not in bright sunlight.

Fomapan is good-looking film although, as discussed earlier in thread, the 400 speed is rated too high (should really be shot at like 200-300) and it curls like a motherfucker, which is extremely annoying if you're scanning with a flatbed. Their quality control can be a bit loose as well.

Have you looked at Kentmere? It's about as cheap as Fomapan and doesn't have any of its issues. From what I've heard, where Foma is the poor man's Kodak, Kentmere is the poor man's Ilford.

Expired film would probably be the most cost-effective choice, I recommend it, do it all the time. I'd just get something higher speed.

To go massive cheapo you could even get some old shitty color film -- available in huge quantities for a mere pittance -- and develop it as black + white. It's not the same, but it works
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hey remember that hype about ektachrome
it has been released for 2 years now, 135/ 120/ sheet films
but I barely see people talk about it

is it just that bad? should I just buy provia instead?
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>>3801962
>is it just that bad? should I just buy provia instead?
It's a fine film, but not really any better than Fuji slides. But I don't see too many people talking about slide film in general. And a lot of people are retards or lazy and don't want to put the effort in to get their money's worth out of E-6, or don't know how to.

I think that being around longer, provia has a more established look that people are used to and ektachrome just isn't the film they reach for. Especially given the price, experimenting with a new slide film is expensive and you might as well stick with the devil you know.
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>>3801902
I bought an EOS Rebel XS with an ancient Tamron zoom lens for $30 CAD. It's been okay with the EF 50mm f/1.8, metering for most of my shots have turned out well, and the AF hasn't had any issues with missing focus either. The only annoying part was finding batteries. I don't know how the higher-end EF film cameras compare but I've enjoyed it so far. Plus, electronic AF film cameras of this era are dirt cheap so you can get another one easily and not worry about getting robbed or dropping it. Highly recommend as a secondary to an old mechanical camera, or if you're just starting out with film.
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>>3801938
Yeah I figured that expired 100 ISO film wouldn't be of much use outside of bright sunlight. Unfortunately I live in Germany and... We don't have much of that here.

So regarding Kentmere: apparently it's being sold as CHM 400 again for 4.50€ a roll. Same as APX 400.
Okay given that fomapan has the problems you mentioned and isn't much cheaper cheaper I think I'll settle for either apx400 or CHM400.

Thanks for the in depth answer, friend!
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>>3798009
Nice photo m9
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>>3801795
What is trash about it? Be specific.
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I posted a lot of 35mm Ektar 100 pictures here:
>>>/hr/3963345
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>>3802393
Bad photos, Jason
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>>3801915
The Iskra caught my interest, would you say it's worth 150€ in seemingly good condition?
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>>3802435
Yeah, sounds about right for a fully working one. Lens-wise, vf/rf-wise and feature-wise it's one of the best classic folders you can get.
Also check the back for the existence of a small red window. Iskras didn't have that window from factory, they have an automatic advance mechanism (it stops automatically on the next frame, that is). Any such red windows are aftermarket modifications. Either because the mechanism was broken (can happen if forced), or because people found the manual method more reliable, or some could have been modified to shoot 645 portraits.
In any case if you see such a window, somebody has been tampering with the camera, and you should be careful making sure everything works as it should.





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