About to pull the plug on 16-80mm, what can I expect?[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Camera SoftwareCapture One 21 WindowsImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution300 dpiVertical Resolution300 dpiImage Width870Image Height580
Diminishing returns over the excellent kit zoom
even more snapshits
>>3795944Buying it as a kit zoom. Which one is the other kit zoom?
>>3795948kit is usually 18-55 f2.8-4.You will get nice lens and camera.
>>3795943>paying $800 for a f/6.1 equivalent aperture zoomYikes.
>>3795980>never let your mental illness stop you from saying terrible things online
>be >>3795984>doesn't like facts that make him uncomfortable>types up wall of text fantasy about a strange man showering and masturbating>too lazy to retype it, just reposts a screencap>calls ME the crazy onelol
>>3795986maybe because you are ""trolling"" on /p/, permanently obsessed about anything fuji and isi, shitting up even non gear threads?
>>3795980>Crop the FF 35mm image to match the APS 35mm and DoF is exactly the same. Same FOV, same DoF.>Are you being disingenuous on purpose? You should stop, really, it's not a good trait. Makes you look like a troll. Are you a troll?http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/technical/digitaldof.html• If you use the same lens on a Canon APS-C crop sensor camera and a 35mm full frame body and crop the full frame 35mm image to give the same view as the APS-C crop image, the depth of field is IDENTICAL
>>3795988I'm not trolling, but I don't know what ''''trolling'''' means. Do two sarcastic quotes cancel each other out and mean not trolling? Further explanation is necessary. I'm not permanently obsessed with Fuji. I used to own one until I realized I'd spent over twice the cost of a good, full frame DSLR and nice L lenses on the system, while having something less ergonomic, with shittier image quality and with less versatile lenses. I do make a point to warn people away from the system by presenting factual statements only. What I am obsessed with is Canon, which is what I like and use.I don't care about isi and am not sure why you mentioned him(/her?) here. As for "non gear threads," scroll up and tell me what the OP says, you idiot. Meanwhile, you're the one who is posting your voyeuristic shower/sex fantasies in multiple threads now. THAT is shitposting.
>>3795995It has to be personal. You are that Dan guy, who got doxed like two moths ago, right?Like you are not fooling anybody. There are not enough that many people mentally ill enough to keep sperging and sperging about one brand.
>>3795996>doesn't mention isi once>"it has to be personal! you hate isi!"I have no idea what you are on about and I am not Dan or Joe or whatever other boogeyman. I've never posted with a trip on this board.
>>3795993>>Crop the FF 35mm image to match the APS 35mm and DoF is exactly the same. Same FOV, same DoF.Except now the edges of your composition have been cropped off, so you have to back up, which reduces the field of view in the composition (if f-stop and focal length, which are physical measurements of the lens, are kept the same).
>>3795998Ok, so there is stroy. There was one shill, always posting about how amazing is sony, shitting whole board.But oh boy! He got too cocky. Transparency was too much and his name got leaked. He's doing cosplay photography, we got video of him, basically autism overlord with thick greass on his hair, visibly uncomfortable speaking with cosplayer he was shooting.And then was best part. That boy, who spend God knows how much time sperging about fuji, constaly derailing discussion had nuclear meltdown! Show was epic, he constaly scream how evil doxing is. I hope somebody has thread saved, so we could live that again.Isn't that boy you? He definitelly still positng on /p/, because he posted some his shit photos portrait thread, and same are on his fanpage.I know it's you Dan. And knowing that you are still mad about it, after so much time, makes it very satisfying.
>>3795995Well, you're either trolling, or you're picking a fight in a gear thread that you don't like. Which is pretty much the same thing.Have you anything to add to the op question? You can be assured that he's a much better photographer than you are, and knows more about photography than a little quitter bitch for whom a proven system was not enough.
>>3796007plz doxing is not good.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Camera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop 21.2 (Windows)Image-Specific Properties:Image Width854Image Height480Number of Bits Per Component8, 8, 8Pixel CompositionRGBImage OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiImage Created2020:10:12 03:03:00Color Space InformationUncalibratedImage Width854Image Height480
>>3796009good thing you saved this pic, because I though I had it, but it got deleted after some cleaning!
>>3796007No, not me, but you are making >>3795984 even more cringy in this context.>>3796008>Have you anything to add to the op question?*Do you have anything to addAnd yes. I am trying to use reason and evidence to persuade the OP against investing so much into such an expensive APS-C camera system. If you're going to go APS-C, the EOS M6II is both less expensive and simultaneously better than anything Fuji makes. EF-M lenses are likewise smaller and lighter than most Fuji lenses. If you want a big fat lens like >>3795943, you can always adapt an EF-S lens. The M6II even has better ergonomics than the Fuji XT-series.
>>3796026>>Have you anything to add to the op question?>*Do you have anything to addDon't make fun of his disability.
>>3796026>No, not me, but you are making >>3795984 even more cringy in this context.ok dan
>>3796026>m6ii>no evf>BETTER ERGONOMICS[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Image-Specific Properties:
>>3796032>fuji xt4>$1700 for JUST the body>only 26 wormy MP>sensor only APS-C size despite the cost exceeding that of the Canon RP by almost twice overI seriously hope you don't do this.
>>3795995>What I am obsessed with is Canon, which is what I like and use.Based, I didn't know one of the other guys making shills squirm was a FF canonfag too. I'm the guy who makes the a7RIV shill seethe too just because I'm objective and crush his illusion that it's the best camera for every application including night wildlife where it gets utterly destroyed by the 32MP crop Canons. The cope got so bad at one point he started bringing primes to a discussion about zooms.>DSLREven more based. Fuck MILC.For me, Canon, Pentax and Nikon are all good. But for personal reasons I prefer Canon. If I didn't shoot video it'd be Pentax for sure.
>>3796032Comes with EVF in the kit.>>3796026Agreed. Arguably one of the best crop cameras in the market (I prefer the 90D instead lol)
>>3796039>I'm the guy whoI literally don't care who you are. If I occasionally post arguments about why Fuji cameras are a poor value, it's not because I go out of my way to "make the shills squirm." I only care about talking about the merits and disadvantages of various camera systems.
>>3796029Dan was a Sony shill. I suspect he's the one I make squirm by reminding him that the a7RIV is a terrible choice for wildlife when the 90D exists.
>>3796044Making the shills squirm is about blocking them from making unsuspecting anons waste money by denying flaws that are very real and proven, like the worms or the overheating.
>>3796000You done fucked up with the 'now you have to back up' part of your bullshit excuses.>TROLL gonna troll. Pilpul 'b-b-but' ignored. DoF is DoF.... at same crop/FoV. Please, shut the fuck up, troll.
>>3796047TROLLing again? How sad. No one takes you seriously, esp. after the easily disproven bullshit you spew. At this point, it's just embarrassing, really.>Kinda does smell like Dan tho. I wonder how life is treating that creepy snoiboi in Oz.... he reminded me of a meth.Weird.Al.... but not as talented & with a sex.offender history.
>>3796131I would post "take your meds schizo" with a pic of my Canon full frame and your post number on a note on it but then the jannies would delete it for "Irrelevant catchphrases or copypasta" because I told you to take your meds.
>>3795943fuji is all about the primes, man.
>>3795948The 18-55 is notoriously good for a kitlens. Might as well be the best one out there.
>>3796353I just wish they'd make a weather-resistant Mk II of it. I'd love to use my 18-55 more instead of the softer and darker 18-135, but I fear it would not withstand the lots of rain and occasional salt walter that I expose the camera to.
>>3796366Show me one picture you took in “lots of rain.”
>>3795943>About to pull the plug on 16-80mm, what can I expect?Did you mean to type “pull the trigger”? Because what you write means something completely different. When an old person is in a coma and on life support with no chance of survival, the doctors and relatives “pull the plug” on them to kill them. “Pull the trigger” means make a decision, which I think is what you meant, ESLfag.
>>3796367Maybe being able to shoot in all weather conditions will open up a whole new world of photography to him.Alternatively it's a very expensive gimmick.
>>3796366>weather-resistantgearfag memeyou're not a reporter in the amazzonian jungle, you're maybe some idiot in Leicester with moody weather trying to shoot "street", or the occasional walk at the pier (200 feet from the nearest water or saline drop)
>>3796374How can you be so sure when you have never taken any good photos in downpours yourself?
>>3796376If you read my post you will find I am in fact not sure. That said I use my camera like I stole it and have shot in the rain.
I bought this lens with my x-t3. The zoom range is awesome to have and the image stabilization is great, but it's quite large and heavy and not very fast. Nice to have weather sealed too, if you're ever out in the rain.
>>3796375Pic related may not be a spectacular shot, it's fun for me and I don't intend on earning money with it. But the camera was completely covered in a salty coating from the spray of the waves afterwards.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeFUJIFILMCamera ModelX-T2Camera Softwaredarktable 3.2.1PhotographerRoman KilgusMaximum Lens Aperturef/3.5Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaFocal Length (35mm Equiv)140 mmMaker Note Version0130Image-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandImage Created2021:01:11 17:51:14White Point Chromaticity0.3Exposure Time1/2000 secF-Numberf/5.6Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating400Lens Aperturef/5.7Brightness9.9 EVExposure Bias0.3 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo FlashFocal Length93.20 mmColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width1600Image Height1067RenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardSharpnessNormalSubject Distance RangeUnknownSharpnessNormalWhite BalanceAutoChroma SaturationNormalFlash ModeUnknownFocus ModeAutoSlow Synchro ModeOffPicture ModeAperture Prior AEContinuous/Bracketing ModeOffBlur StatusOKFocus StatusOKAuto Exposure StatusOK
>>3795943expect a 5x zoom
>>3796394That's not something you should be doing, even if you have weather sealed kit. Water drops are one thing, salt is another. Avoid salt water like fire.
>>3796411This salt is literal cancer to anything man made. I work in an energy plant which dumps cooling water (not nuclear) in the sea and those pipes which touch the salt water are broken every fucking year not to mention the salt air alone destroys half the installation.
>>3796129>You done fucked up with the 'now you have to back up' part of your bullshit excuses.>>TROLL gonna troll. Pilpul 'b-b-but' ignored. DoF is DoF.... at same crop/FoV. Please, shut the fuck up, troll.I will admit this-- your posts and your point are about as clear as mud. This is 100% on you, though, since you insist on speaking in buzzwords and this snarky/mocking style like you just did here. If you want to make a point and think you have it in you to change someone else's mind, in the future, just say it in plain English.
>>3796038At least it has an EVF and superior controls :A)
>>3795943>what can I expect?16-80mm of zoom.Shitty optical performance in things like sharpness, contrast, chromatic abberations, and distortion.
>>3795943you go out take some pics with it and then you come home and start researching more gear to buy
>>3795943It's an alright lens. The stabilization is really good. But f4 just seems too small for me. It's only $100 more than the 18-55 but that one is wider at 18mm. It's a good lens though if you just need that range to hit someone with.
>>3795943>f4Literally phone tier.
>>3796692Ah, yes, the Fuji way. Overpaying for subpar products.
>>3795943>About to pull the plug on 16-80mmI didn't know that you were supposed to plug them in.
>>3795943Expect a pretty good travel zoom. Thats about it. Its a nice lense to have (depending on how and what you shoot).Dont let the shills here dissuade you too much. No zoom lens is perfect, but this one is pretty good.
>>3797012fuji shill here.hoped it to be the perfect travel lens.it's good, but everyone elses 24-120mm f/4's are better.
>>3797012I only use the 27mm when I go out of town.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeGoogleCamera ModelPixel 4aCamera SoftwareWindows Photo Editor 10.0.10011.16384Maximum Lens Aperturef/1.7Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaFocal Length (35mm Equiv)27 mmImage-Specific Properties:Image Width4032Image Height3024Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiImage Created2021:01:06 15:12:24Exposure Time4001/100000 secF-Numberf/1.7Exposure ProgramNormal ProgramISO Speed Rating91Lens Aperturef/1.7Brightness1.4 EVExposure Bias0 EVSubject Distance0.47 mMetering ModeCenter Weighted AverageFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length4.38 mmColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width4032Image Height3024RenderingCustomExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormalSubject Distance RangeMacro
>>3797023Better how? Also, its 16-80 not 24-120.
>>3797984>Better how?image quality. the whole point of giving up exposure and dropping to f/4 is to make gains elsewhere. against the 18-55 you get a tiny bit more wideangle and a bit more reach, less light and no additional image quality.this isn't the case with canon/nikon/etc >>3797984>24-120.equivalents.
>>3797999to bookend my thoughts, the z-mount and rf-mount f/4 lenses are FUCKING SHARP and almost not worth "upgrading" from. the 16-80 is... eh. its good. but everyone elses f/4s are better.
>>3798001Nikon does not have 24-120 (or anything close really). They have 24-70F4 ... which is just ... no. Cute kit, not much of a travelzoom. That mythical 24-120 is planned for 2021 and it will cost north of $1000. Thats bloody expensive. And it will be massive. That nikon 24-70 is heavier and bigger than the fuji 16-80.Canon also does not have 24-120, they DO have 24-105F4 though. Its, again, more that $1000. Its also massive, it weights 700g, which is nearly twice the fuji. It really does not matter how sharp a lens is when you cant afford it. And if you can, then it again does not matter how sharp it is when its so heavy you will not take it with you. Just face the facts. FF cant really beat APS-C in the travelzoom category. Just stop spewing bullshit about stuff you obviously know nothing about. That fuji 16-80F4 is perfectly fine lens for a travelzoom. It has good center sharpenss. Its not THAT expensive. And its a nice lens to use. Definitely more so that the 18-135, which has an atrocious zoom ring. And 18mm on aps-c is a bit too narrow for some shots.
>>3796330This is their best lens thoughMandatory if you have an X camera or you're really missing out[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeOLYMPUS IMAGING CORP.Camera ModelE-M5Camera SoftwareVersion 2.0PhotographerPicasaMaximum Lens Aperturef/2.8Image-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution350 dpiVertical Resolution350 dpiImage Created2014:12:05 10:55:58Exposure Time1/160 secF-Numberf/14.0Exposure ProgramManualISO Speed Rating200Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length45.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBImage Width3895Image Height2652RenderingNormalExposure ModeManualWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlLow Gain UpContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormalUnique Image ID0f4c1a4e2edf7ea811a32207c1138e3c
>>3795988Holy fuck the actors in /p/ are still on scriptYear after year after yearWhere's the dog lover?
>>3798245The only mandatory thing in life is death ... and may change in the future. There are no mandatory lenses, only lenses you need and/or want.
>>3796370Came to point this out. Good work.