How do you deal with them?I have been chased many times and I'm somewhat comfortable by now because they don't actually attack but today I had this absolute unit in the photo coming way, way too close. Like a arm's length close and it was incredibly agressive, to the point of me having to put my backpack in front of me and walk backwards to avoid him reaching my legs.It was really foggy and wet so it made things worse because I couldn't see where the flock or the other dogs were to give them enough space.
>>2667558Were you trespassing by any chance?
>>2667560No, they were grazing on public land.
>>2667564Probably bear spray if they’re that close.>inb4 larping faggots say to shoot themDon’t do that.
>>2667558A cane of appropriate length, ground to nose, should help.
>>2667558this looks like portugal
>>2667566I'm not an inbred retard so I wouldn't, obviously, harm the dog. My question is, essentially, directed at people experienced with dealing with shepherd or working dogs in general, so I get to know how to better deescalate the dog's agression and whether or not there's an actual risk of them biting. Today I did what I usually do, stand tall, don't run or turn my back to the dog, don't yell, don't throw anything at it, and slowly move back. They usually relax pretty quickly after that but this one kept going, so I put my backpack in front of me just in case and continued walking backwards but it kept showing me its teeth until the owner (which I couldn't see because of the fog) started whistling and calling him. Then the dog got chill. >>2667569Bro don't go around infuriating a 40 or 50kg dog, you are going to get badly bitten. Specially when there are two or three more nearby.Plus it's just doing its job. >>2667571Basta olhar para o cão.
>>2667575If you're getting bitten it's not doing its job. A cane might keep it at a distance.
>>2667576And I'm no "bro" of yours.
>>2667576>If you're getting bittenI was not, this specific dog was just many levels higher on the intensity and aggressiveness scale compared to the many shepherd dogs I've dealt with in the past. But at the end of the day it was just doing its job protecting the its flock.>>2667578:'(
>>2667579What I'm saying is I wouldn't ever completely rely on the decision of a beast when it is capable of causing me harm, that is carry something to fend it off effectively in the however remote case it attacks. That or avoid the area.
>>2667581Fair enough but unless you get really lucky you're not avoiding getting bitten by a dog like this if it really decides to attack. Cane or no cane.>That or avoid the areaUsually that's exactly what I do. If I see or hear them and I do a small detour and go a couple dozens meters around the flock and it's all good. Today due to the weather I couldn't see shit and when I realized I had this unit flying down the hill and advancing towards me.
>>2667558Maybe don't try to fuck sheep
Pepper spray would be the way to go
>>2667558Despite the dogshit(pun intended) yurofag editing, this is fairly accurate.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PndPqCN865g
Stop trying to fuck their sheep
>>2667558but anon, we forgive our trespasses and those who trespass against us(this is advice for the dog btw, not you)
>>2667558if you are pure of heart, dogs just naturally respect you
>>2667558the dog fears the rock
>>2667558>try to fuck livestock>dog trained to protect livestock get mad>mfwstop fucking animals, particularly ones that don't belong to you.
>>2667558You will be lucky most of the time but when in doubt its important to use pepper spray before he bites.Sometimes it's hard to tell whether a dog is just threatening or aggressive, better be safe than sorry.
>>2667575Portugal yes? Next time pick up a rock and act like you will throw it. Or pretend to pick up a rock. Most of the times just reaching to the ground will back him up.
>>2667558stop trying to fuck the shepherd dog
>>2667575Sounds like your doing everything right, the only additional thing i can think of is to turn your head away slightly and not look at the dog directly.
How about using some common sense.The dog is protecting livestock. It perceives you has a potential threat.How do you stop this?Back away from the dog and livestock. Eventually the dog will stop following you.At this point you can stand still and the dog will watch you. Now you can stand there for a bit until the dog becomes comfortable with you, and then try to go by him again, or, you can find another path around which is a further distant from the sheep and which doesn't aggro the dog.
>>2667558the shepherd dog is jealous because you never fuck it. stop fucking sheep and give the dog some attention, retard
>>2667558give him a big juicy bone and call him a good boy, you'll be fine so long as you aren't a negro
>>2668339>[angry sheep shagger sounds]kek
>>2667576Apply this to an enraged methhead. They will simply find a way to get past your flimsy stick and maul you.I appreciate where you're coming from but as naive as I am about the world, it seems I'm in good company
>>2668841Rambling, opinion discarded.
>>2668844You have your painfully obvious limits, you are forgiven.
>>2668845:)Please don't use a cane though. A backpack at least gives them something to bite.
>>2668846I'll just and throw your full body weight into the raging beast. That should prove to be enough of a distraction.
>>2668846>>2668848You guys dont have a backpack deployable baby?
>>2668339This is the website that tells people to name their dog cumfart isn't it?
>>2667571>>2667575castro laboreiro?try whistling, maybe the shepherd shows up or whistles back to call the dogs
>>2668240>retard trying to get op killed or jailed>op misses or does no harm to the dog and his buddies shred him to pieces>op kills or maims the dog and shepherd shoots him or lands him in court for the lossdogs are there for a reason (to protect the flock from wolves)land is likely communal ("baldio")
>>2669745you don't understaaaaaad!OP reaaaally needs to fuck those sheep!
>>2667558>2667558Always been around dogs so if push came to shove I'd get it by the scruff of its neck with my left hand and then punch it in the head 4-5 times. At that point, push it down flat and get your knee over its upper body. Dumb creatures don't know what's hit them when a person finally takes them in hand. They are not strong against a man's weight unless they're a giant breed, just avoid the teeth and you're golden. I've had to get real with a few in the past
>>2669774This sounds absolutely awful, but picture a large dog being extremely violent.
>>2669753>goat>sheepeven a nigger could tell one from the other, my dude ..
>>2669781>>goatgoats haven't been mentioned in this thread son.take your meds.
>>2669786retard, look at the fucking picture
>>2669808>the current state of /out/ where It's actually hard to tell if just having a larf or actually skitzo-tarded
>>2669774How do you grab their scruff without getting bitten?
>>2669895You don't, he's larping.
>>2669745Are you even in Portugal? If the dog attacks you all bets are off you can kill the dog and the shepherd would say he is sorry. That's how people deal with rafeiros here. But the fact is the dog just wants to scare you away and very rarely he will actually attack you. Just like what happened with OP.
>>2670151imbecile, if you act menacing to the GUARD dog, like lifting a rock, which he could well see as a threatening move, don't be surprised if you lose any ground for self-defense, so it's me who asks you: are YOU even in Portugal? because you'd know very well even police itself can't even motion the hand to towards their holstered gun unless there's actual imminent threat to life (i.e.: when it's probably too late...)... and I even know what lead to that, so get fucked.>scare youexactly; it's a fucking GUARD dog; your job is to walk away, not act macho.and yeah, these are cool collected dogs, not rabid niggerish pitbulls, so if they attack you, you probably did something to them you shouldn't.
>>2670303Dude stfu. If you are walking on a public path and a dog starts doing what it did to OP, I would get really angry at the shepherd. He is responsible for his dog. And if the dog bites you, he is in big trouble, whether you throw a rock or not. The police wont do shit if you kill a dog that bites you. He shouldn't be on public land if his dog is that aggressive to humans.
throw rockif that doesn't make him go away use pepper sprayI say this as a dog owner
>>2667558Shoot the fucking thing. Then shoot the owner.
>>2670673Based fuck owners who let there dogs run around attacking people.
>>2670662it's s flock grazing in the wilderness, you retard; dogs are there to protect it and no one cares if they're violating your safe space or if you end up maimed or killed for acting like you're the center of the universe.
>>2667558Just explain to the dog that you have an unalienable right to roam Surely he will understand
>>2670823>no one cares if they're violating your safe spaceEverybody cares. Nobody cares about a dog though. Unless you're a city boy and think somehow people here value the life of a dog more than a human.
>>2670878>except niggerswhat an hero....
>>2670903You're the type of person who lets his kid get mauled, because he doesn't want to hurt a poor dog. Nature is hard and sometimes you have to be the apex predator. Now go back to your starbucks and have another onions late.
>>2670662>He shouldn't be on public land if his dog is that aggressive to humans.This
>>2670906>doesn't understand rural people's attachment to their animals>proojects his own faggotry onto otherszoommers; the worst kind of niggers
>>2671169>doesn't understand rural people's attachment to their animalsLOL what a projection. This ain't rich USA. Poor shepherds in Portugal don't even take these animals to the vet. No vaccinations, no heartworm pills, no registration etc. If the dog gets injured or sick it would be lucky if the shepherd actually seeks help for it. These dogs are a dime a dozen here. If the dog gets puppies they drown them in a plastic bag. I mean I guess it's getting better, but these old guys who grew up without shoes and had to work instead of going to school as a kid are a different breed. You have no idea. Some of these dogs are chained up their whole life, some of the hunting dogs live in cages their whole life, only to be taken out if there is a hunt. Really, a dogs life is not much worth here. And to be clear, I am not like that, I despise these people who treat their animals like that and fortunately the younger generations treat their dogs better mostly.Back to the subject, most of these dogs are not that aggressive to humans, but some of them are mean bastards. And if you are walking on a public path, you shouldn't be harassed like that. The shepherd knows this. A tourist might think this is ok, but believe me, a local would get very angry with the shepherd.
>>2671209tl;dr:thanks for confirming everything about you. could've spared the trouble though.now get lost
>>2671169>doesn't understand rural people's attachment to their animalsYou sound like a liberal. I've lived in the boonies my entire life and 90% of dog owners have the mindset that, despite how much their dog means to them, if their dog bites a human, it dies. If the victim doesn't kill it, the owners will.
>>2671466>90% of the people who associated with me were assholes like meftfy
>>2671469I'm sorry reality doesn't mesh up with your headcannon.
>>2671472>claims people in the boonies are perfectly willing to kill their dogs left and right>says other anons have headcanonlol
>>2671443>>2671466your projection is getting boring, faggotbtw, shepherd dogs don't grow on trees, in case you didn't knowand there's a reason for the expression "calling the oxes by their names", but what would you knowjust kys
>>2671466Blackpill here is the dogs wouldn't be aggressive if they were allowed normal life and not being confined in a small yard or chained 24/7. Chimping out and getting your brains blown out is the rational response here.
>>2671657Those two aren't the same poster bubba. Stop shitting up the thread prospecting for validation.
>>2671679This is how it usually goes in the worst cases. Some asshole keeps a dog tied to a tree it's entire life, encouraging stranger aggression to "guard" their rusted out single wide, and then when it inevitably gets loose and acts aggressive towards some neighbor minding their own business or attacks their animals, either they shoot it defensively or the owner kills it to prevent the cops coming around.It's a pretty common understanding around where I live that a dog that will bite one person will bite another, so they're given very few chances. My brother got bit by a dog at my uncle's friend's house once and he had to get the full round of rabies shots because they couldn't test the dog. By the time my uncle brought him home and they got him to the hospital (like an hour and a half, tops), the dogs owner had already shot and buried the dog.
>>2671715>muh validationwhat kind of loser are you?retard, there's no user hash here; don't care, couldn't care>>2671679>>2672070these are shepherd dogs; last thing they are is confined, they spend their time out in the open with the flock; all day, every day. when not, they're asleep.
>>2672095And yet, you commented. Get fucked bubba.
I have this problem all the time, graziers often try to move livestock on the hiking trail and basically block the path. Depending on the dogs and terrain some will shadow you for miles, I've found the more dogs there are the further they will range from the livestock. Aggression Ranges from stand guard and bark, through harry, feign attack, right through to encircling someone and biting at them. These are dogs that could easily kill you if there's more than say... two of them. The bear dogs are a serious threat to a grown man even by themselves.And the obvious problem here is that aggression on your part will only agrivate the dogs further.Why should hikers be constantly attacked by dogs on public land?I'll throw stones at the Sheppard, fuck him and his dogs
>>2672095Shepherd or no, if it's aggressive towards people who are rightfully on the same land, it's a problem.
The shitty reality is, you can do all the right things and still be attacked. It's rare but if you have an aggressive dog and take the wrong step, they could easily bite you.
>>2672129>such butthurtlmaolol even
>>2672221You keep proving me right. This useless back and forth happens because you're a child that grasps for validation every post. Notice how you contribute with nothing but crap? You DO care because you're insecure. Stop that.
>>2672174>retard>a security cordon cuts your path>it's a public pathway>what do:>forge ahead>go aroundhow nigger are you?
>>2672223>snowflake is told how it is>gets triggered and resorts to proojectingErrytiem
>>2672273You keep trying to have the last word because you cannot let go out of extreme insecurity. You will not be given that and be made to seethe and mald.
>>2672278NTA, but>he said, trying to get the last word
>>2672226>comparing a dog to the fucking copsOf course I'd stop if men with guns were in my way. I'd stop for the fucking dog, too, as long as it was keeping to itself. You seem to be under the impression that OP was harassing some guys sheep and not just approached out of the blue by an aggressive animal in a public space.
>>2672283Yes, that is denied to him specifically to make him suffer. It is a healthy educational experience.
>>2672290Not big on self-awareness, huh?
>>2672307I stopped responding to many anons smarter than you bubba. See? You've fallen for the same trap, and it will be denied to you as well. We aren't equal.
>>2672284>men with gunslolthat's a teargas grenade device there, btw, and those shotguns are only used to fire rubber bullets anyway...also, guns have nothing to do with it; the resolve has.so, have you ever considered op's attitude may be the issue here? maybe dog just smelled faggot, long before he even set sights on op...
>>2672278>just trying to have the last word, bro...>he says while desperately trying not to not have the last word...the joke that writes itself
>>2672403Autism like this should be criminal
>>2672404Once again, another attempt to do the same thing. Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is?
>>2672312Are you having a stroke or something?
>>2671209Nigger it's not the 80s anymore, many of these sheepdogs are given by animal associations since serra da estrela or castro laboreiro puppies cost many hundreds of euros. At this point I've had contact with maybe 50 of these dogs throughout the country and all of them were very well kept so stop talking nonsense.t. OP
>>2672491You can't resist it. It will be a hard yet very educational lesson, son.
>>2672491The more I read it, the dumber it looks
OK, but has anyone seen the effect of pepper spraying a dog? I can imagine some races would get madder rather than retreat.
>>2672618pepper spray is a class e weapon; you need a loicense for that. misuse it (like spraying shepherd dogs just because you're a faggot that shouldn't be anywhere near the wilderness to start with) and enjoy your legal troubles (if lucky).
>>2671209is this retard still going on?unbelievable....>blahblahblah blahblahblah blahblahblahatira-te a um poço, carago!pqp
>>2672468ahahahaé mais forte que tu, não é?
>>2672534>cost many hundreds of eurosCome to Portalegre area you can get them for free. Well a Rafeiro Alentejano that is. I get them offered every year at least once. But it's not like you get like papers with the history of his family tree and such. If you want that like from a breeder you are going to pay.Btw are you range banned too from uploading pics? I wonder if it's whole of Portugal or just my area.
>>2673258Can't speak of that part of the country but up north sheepdogs cost a pretty penny, specially LOP dogs. But even further south the sheepdogs I came in contact with were very healthy, not some poor dog that gets feed twice a week and beaten every other day.Image posting works fine.What's /out/ like there? Bike, mtb and hunting mostly?
>>2672613We all have limits, you've reached yours.
>>2672983This is an English board, no Swahili here.
>>2673363And hiking, lots of hikers. Some nice routes here at the border and around the castelos of Marvao and Castelo de Vide. Basically the whole Serra de São Mamede. I do mainly mtb. I don't want to shill here, but there is an app called Komoot, where people upload routes, it's pretty good if you want to find routes. Also it's a good area for birding if you're into that.
>>2673459faz-me um bobó, boneca
>>2673493>Serra de São MamedeI forgot about that but honestly I don't have ever been there. Castelo Branco, Portalegre, even Beja are completely foreign to me. With such low population density I'm sure there's some nice places there to explore.
>>2667566they don't have guns in europe and all the farms are corporate in the US.I absolutely advocate shooting retarded dogs but working dogs don't deserve it.
>>2667575>I'm not an inbred retardfunny way to say guns are illegal in your country and you couldn't own one even if you wanted too
>>2673863There's plenty of guns in Europe.
>My question is, essentially, directed at people experienced with dealing with shepherd or working dogs in general, so I get to know how to better deescalate the dog's agression and whether or not there's an actual risk of them biting.
>>2673884>the cope is reallollamo even
>>2674044>LamoThere are, boy. You just need a license, in that way it's more restrictive than muttland. However, categories that in fatistan are restricted under stamps in here are often much easier to acquire, eg. where I'm from SBRs are classified as pistols as they should be.
>>2674048And that's beside the fact some of your states have regulations more retarded than the most restrictive European ones. Anyway, not an option for beat defense unless you're hunting, here.
>>2674048>not spelling it "loicense"Admit it, you're from Witchita
>>2669899No I'm not. How do you get their scruff without being bitten?You just move with confidence because it's a fucking dog. If you're not afraid you can be very calculated and move with intention. And you know what? Even if it bites you on the way in, so what? The aim is to get a good grip so if you trade 1 bite for the ability to collar the fucker then it's not a bad deal. Ultimately, how much do you want to deal with the situation? That's all it comes down to.If you're afraid of fighting dogs then I can't help but judge you for it. Even the worst dog (excluding trained police/attack dogs) is no match for a man who isn't afraid of it at all.
>>2667558their strength and right of passage is far overestimated, get them to draw blood and hades will have them cut diamonds for you until their debt is paid
>>2669774This isn't going to work well on large and strong dogs. They will fuck you up.
>> went out, saw a doggie take a dump, shit was cash
>>2674983Did... did you blur your fingers so we couldn't see your prints?
>>2669774>by the scruff of the neckhave you ever seen a shepherd dog's wolf collar? it's two or three rows of some 2, 3 inches sharp nails all around...just leave the fucking dogs alone, retard; it's the fucking wilderness, if there's something that isn't lacking, it's wide open space
>>2674984>le sad glowniggeraww...
>>2674992If you were dumb enough to get your prints on file, that's on you
>>2674983>>2674992LMFAO. I hope Portos never change.
>>2674992>trying to hide prints on a website that logs poster data, bans VPNs, and rats users out for adding a period before "in minecraft"Yeah, I'm sure the feds are real upset that they couldn't catch the infamous hacker 4chan with his hand picture
>>2675000>on filelet me guess: you're a burger, right?>has zero privacy from gov AND corporate>acts like he's le ungoogleable manironic, since you couldn't find my name on Google if you tried (I did)>>2675001stay salty>>2675005>fedsNot everyone is running from justice, Treyvon
>>2668282This. Dont make direct eye contact. And always clench your fists. This way you don't lose a finger if one choses to nibble at your hands. Maybe avoid wearing head gear or sunglasses. Some dogs get irritated by that.Dogs that bark from a distance are usually fearful themselves. They may charge at you but stop infront of you and bark thats it. Its the quiet confident ones you need to be careful of. Always give them their space. As in dont try and dominate the space they occupy with your presance.