55l is the perfect hiking pack size. If you need larger you may add a 2-8l pouch. Everything that cannot fit can be strapped to the outside.
>55l is the perfect hiking pack size. If you need larger you may add a 2-8l pouch. Everything that cannot fit can be strapped to the outside.
>>2642729>strapped to the outsideTell me you're american without saying "I'm american"
>>2642778I'm not American.
>>2642729>mfw my week trip pack is 45l
>>2642778It just means you're in open areas and not denser forest
>>2642729>ive never been farther than 4 miles from the car or stayed longer than 4 days or gained more than 400 ft of elevation
>>2642881>he's too fat to last 5 days with a 55l
>>2642729How big a pack you need depends on the size of your gear.
People hike thousands of miles with packs less than 30L. The sweet spot is 40-50L. If you need more than 50 you must be a slow fatty or a coward who's terrified of the woods.
>>2642900Just got back from a 6 day trip with an 83L pack, gained 2000ft of elevation in 1.5 miles. Kys you larping faggot
>>2642729My pack is 4000 cubic inches. Will I die?
65 is man sized. I carry more stuff to keep the wife's pack UL. she has bad knees. Inb4 shittalk get off my nuts
>>2642919That umbrella is like 20 years old.>>2643031Found the guy who doesn’t hike.
>>2643080>83L pack>in summerWhy?
>>2643267Guess being on your knees all the time does cause damage
You can always tell the people who get angry about volume and weight lack basic fitness, or their experience is limited to routes that that are 40% gravel roads + 60% "maintained tourist trail" while larping as mountaineers and reddit true-hikers online and most commonly they have no idea about walking long stretches of real nature.
>>264272955l is still quite large, 45l is perfect. After a few years of doing multiday hikes I realized that most of the shit I packed I never fucking used.>>2642919It's a stupid thing to argue about, since packs got compression straps, so if its too big it doesn't really matter and a little bit of extra fabric isn't going to be an issue. Better to go a little too big and have some extra space rather than finding out you don't have enough space when packing so all in all 55l isn't a bad pick.
>>2643389>they have no idea about walking long stretches of real nature.Anyone who’s done this knows that it’s more enjoyable with a lighter pack than it is with a heavier pack.
>>2643391For me and my backcountry its most enjoyable with 16-19kg, doing 30 to 40k per day, 3-4km per hour, sometimes 2km/h when the terrain is really wet or overgrown; I don't get my cardio up high enough with less weight unless I walk at 5-7km per hour. That would be a rucking workout I do at home, not something I want when I plan to take in and enjoy nature.But I get it, if I'd be going back to doing day hikes and workouts from the suburbs on gravel and forest trails I don't take more than 14kg, usually less than 10kg. Flat, unnaturally hard ground will create lots of issues, especially when you are lacking basic fitness, like a correct neutral gait, developed legs and glutes, hip rotators, and core etc... every muscle really ..
I've spent most of my hiking life using a ULA Circuit for my pack. This has been a super great pack and has served me well but I've always been kind of confused how I have such a hard time fitting everything I need in it for a week+ trip. Spec sheet claims it is 68L which is way larger than most packs people claim to be using and my gear list matches most of what distance hikers use but I'd still end up with all kinds of stuff smooshed into the outer pockets or strapped to the outside.As I've gotten more into winter camping I've outgrown the Circuit and have been looking for a bigger pack. Doing some actual research I just learned my Circuit size includes ALL the pockets and stuff on it not just the main compartment, basically I've been hiking with a 40L pack this whole time and thinking I just suck at packing -_-Anyways 50-55L does seem perfect and the new 75L (actual main compartment size) pack I got for winter camping is MASSIVE
>>2643399I’m not sure why you’re lying, but whatever. Keep it going. Those of us who actually hike know what’s up. >I don’t need as much gear on flat terrainI mean, come on.
>>2643408>I don’t need as much gear on flat terrainThere are things called wind, rainstorms and snow above the treeline and you don't have access to trail networks, shelters or towns in the backcountry.
>>2642729Not big enough if you want to do stuff outdoors, winter trips, autumn hunting, 10+ days of food.And too big for homeless hikers.
>>2643423Keep it going, lol!
>>2643440>>2643408This guy is lacking experience. Just saying. Probably never left his state or his country.
>>2643399It would be more enjoyable if your pack was lighter. “Inb4 no it wouldn’t.”Yeah, it would.
>>2643453Depends on your fitness level and how lazy your attitude is.
>>2643458the only people who brag about running around with heavy packs on are crossfit idiotsif i want a workout i'll go run a marathon or something not destroy my back/knees by adding rocks to my pack so my hike up a hill is that much more difficult. i try not to tell people they are enjoying the outdoors wrong but you're definitely approaching that area
>>2643458Nope. It’s always easier to carry less weight regardless of fitness level. This isn’t a debate or some kind of radical statement.
>>2643469That and /k/ fags.
>>2643469Ultralight hiking is only fun if I jog, and jogging prevents me from enjoying nature. I might aswell go for a casual tourist stroll, eat greasy food, get headaches, feel bored if I'm fucking around with an UL pack. It's the equivalent of a low energy weekend vacation. I want to feel my cardio, and my back, core and my glutes working when I'm hiking. If you hurt your joints you are either hiking on concrete, or something in your body is too weak. Its not normal to damage your body just because you are carrying a 45lbs pack even if you carry it for an entire month or two.It depends on your fitness level whether you'll feel sufficiently challenged carrying a UL pack at a normal hiking pace. I don't.
>>2643497Easier isn't always better. Your body wants to grow. It has to grow to be physically healthy. So you have to challenge yourself appropriately or your body will regress. I'm in Berlin right now. It's a freak show. Most of the men here are extremely sick. At 25+ they are balding, have no muscle, and many of them are growing real tits, not just fat, it looks like genuine boobas. You don't want to be a ultralight stick figure with boobs. "Hey my life is so easy. I haven't broken a sweat in ten years".
>>2643502>I like the challengeYes, carrying a heavier pack is more challenging. >>2643501Gyms are for working out, Dingus. Don’t assume that I don’t because I’m not a retard who doesn’t understand the basic principle of less weight being easier to carry. I hike to enjoy my leisure time.
>>2643506>basic principle of less weight being easier to carry. I hike to enjoy my leisure time.I call that taking a stroll. I couldn't do that all day let alone on a four week trip in the mountains. I need to feel my cardio and do some other weighted stuff to feel good and healthy.Gym culture is not a fix. It doesn't promote a fully developed well-rounded physique, health or healthy joints. Been there more than ten years ago. Especially in the age of youtube fitness it must be horrible for young people to start lifting today. They will either get eating disorders, get fat or injured, or get nowhere with ab circuits and athlet-x. or "successfully" follow their powershitting program to enter hippo mode. If you "make it" you will still have weak posture, weak back and rear delts, and weak glute/hip rotators. No muscle activation during daily activity. They still sit for hours every day. So its no wonder they get back and knee pain from carrying a backpack, moving crates, planks, even if they can squat, bench, and dead two or three plates. What fixed me was being on my feet all day, getting off the concrete, and doing weighted stuff all day - like carrying a real backpack. That plus ignoring the 1-2-3-4 bullshit and taking a honest look in mirror and how my body moves to decide which muscles I had to grow in order to look and feel healthy, to perfect my posture and take the pressure off my joints when active.Have to go. I don't get paid past 8 pm. See you tomorrow UL faggots.
>>2643533None of this restarted rambling in an any kind of retort to lighter packs being easier to carry.>Gym culture is not a fix. It doesn't promote a fully developed well-rounded physique, health or healthy joints. No one mentioned gym culture, at all. Are you going to say that the equipment available in a commercial gym can’t be used fully develop a well-rounded physique, health or healthy joints? It would logically follow what you’ve said so far, so go ahead and quadruple down.
So yesterday I did 4000' vert, about 8 miles round trip. 2'-20" up, 1'-30" down. I weigh 240 lbs, I'm not fat or skinnyfat.Q: how heavy should my pack have been?A: None of your fuckin business, Karen! Daas right, what I carried has nothing to do with you and no, you can't look in my pack you greasy weirdo.The UL mob gets mad because nobody wants to be like those fags, even though we all want a lighter pack. We all should embrace going light, regardless of distance/ vert, that's a no brainer unless you're training for a harder trip. I use the lightest gear I can so that I can carry better food, and comfier bedding. I don't try to cover 20 miles a day anymore, I'm a beast in the woods but I know primo places to go that don't require legging it for days on end.We have a lot of fun seeing what sort of real food we can bring so's to not eat only dehydrated crap for four days straight. Do whatever blows your skirt up. My 65L will be full, nothing strapped to the outside, and there will be fresh jalapenos and onions inside or I'm not going.
>>2643501You are a very weird person. You do your working out on holiday.
>>2643408>those of us that actually hikeKek, read that out loud with your nose plugged to get the full effect. Just wanted to let you actual hiker types know that I could destroy you in one day of "aktual hiking". You might make it to the finish but you'd be worth fuck-all the next day. And I'm mediocre to advanced intermediate at suffering, there are locals around here that can cover ground like you can't believe. Females even, that can sprint for minutes and run for hours at high altitude. Six foot blondes that can dust us both.Easy to be cocky on a hindu goat milk forum but irl there's always someone faster than you.
>>2643572i dont know man, last week i won a half marathon canoe portage. i realize that's not a pack but i do think it qualifies me to discuss how carrying heavy things suck
>>2643572>fasterFound another one who doesn’t hike.
>>2643578Cheers for that if you're not yanking our chain. Well done. You may know a thing or two about suffering.
>>2643579Did 8 miles yesterday morning, how many did you do, fatty?
>>2643582You were so proud of your day hike you took a picture. Wonderful.Tell us more about how hiking and racing are the same thing.
>>2643585Zero miles then, got it. Hiking is whatever you want it to be, fuhrer of the trails. I get up at 4 am and race through Mordor solo because the only hardass friend I have that can push me is busy building his house. You're busy telling people how much their pack should weigh, or what distance constitutes "hiking".
If I'm going solo you can bet that I'm racing myself and the clock.
>>2643589>You're busy telling people how much their pack should weigh, or what distance constitutes "hiking".Nope. The entirety of my post is that it’s easier to hike with a lighter pack than a heavier one. That’s it.You’re the only one who mentioned mileage or speed or whatever the fuckZ
>>2643599Fair enough. For me going faster further higher is the point of a lighter pack but comfort or enjoyment is a worthy reason too. We used to use the UL crowd as the main butt of our jokes but even oldfags like me have to get with the times and lighten up at some point. It hurts to abandon gear that's served for years and shell out big cash for the new flash but what the hell.Since NorCal isn't on fire this year I've been in a woods frenzy, retired my 10 year old bag, pad and pack. New setup is lighter and twice as comfy, can't wait to for the week to be over to get some miles underfoot.
>>2643605>insufferable faggot>CaliforniaI thought that was a meme but here we are.
>>2643608Lolz, you'll suffer my faggotry here or irl, since there isn't shit you can do about it, Tyronius. Pic is 65 liters, 3.6 lbs mas o menos, $200. Using the Sea to Summit Ether Light and a new Nemo down bag. $19 inflatable pillow from Scamazon is the best one yet.
don't bring a heavy chair or a bear vault, that shit will break you.
>>2643453Or... hear me out... what if it was the same weight, but more of that weight was alcohol and ammunition?
>>2643382Elk hunting, packing 10 days worth of food, 9 liters of water, tent, sleeping bag. Im actually on a mountain right now, i have my 104 liter bag on my frame this trip
>>2642872I've seen Americans do this in dense forest. It's some ancestral instinct or something.
>>2643777No one believes you.
>>2643501>>2643533Outsider here, I barely know what you guys are talking about, but this guy sounds the most human.
>>2643798Comes from our hobo heritage of strapping your stuff to a bag/stick and heading out.
>>2643777why don't you just find somewhere to hunt that has water nearby that you can filter
>>2643829Well let me break it down for you.When you go backpacking, the amount of weight you’re carrying is the easiest controllable variable for how easy or difficult the hike is. You can’t modify the terrain, you can’t stop it from raining, and you can’t change the temperature.>but Anon, you can workout to make it easierAbsolutely. But this doesn’t negate the basic statement that a lighter pack is easier to carry, which is always the premise of the lightweight “debate” (I don’t see how anyone can debate that; it’s plainly obvious). The guys you think is “most human” is actually the most autistic. He chimed in to say that anyone complaining about weight lacks fitness or experience, then went on to say that acktyually he enjoys a heavier pack because he likes getting exercise.
>>2643426>>2642729 (OP)Did 55 miles over ten days (3 days of fishing) with a 55L pack. Niggas will do anything but not bring a thousand luxuries.Go /out/ more
>>2643874Agreed. My pack is 48L and the only thing limiting my time is food, and that’s in temps just below freezing (though I think winter might be the exception).
>>2643815I don’t believe him either. >OP was talking about hiking>big pack guy says something about needing a larger pack to hike more than 4 miles or stay longer than 4 days>someone calls him fat>big pack guy says he just got back from a trip with an enormous pack>…but it was a hunting tripMaybe it’s more than one guy. I dunno, but obviously the conversation was about hiking, not hunting. When you go in a hunting trip, you generally set up a basecamp and head out from there. But whatever.
If you're trying to go as far as you can as fast as you can, then you need a light pack. If you're trying to go for as long as you can, then you need a heavy pack. If you're trying to have a good time, then you need to put a good time in your pack and walk at whatever speed causes a good time to happen.
>>2643993rare reasonable post
>>2643993No no no no no..... you're supposed to say tranny or cope or something. This is off script!
>>2643605You are based and he is cringe and soi
55l? are you talking about winter? my pack is 44 with the extension all the way out on top. about 35 without. really fill to the extension portion outside of carrying the 3 person tent for short hikes to chill at a spot for a few days with gf and the dog. 1lb 9oz.
>>2643605i remember when ultralight hikers were the cheap ones. they were weird as fuck too. all old hippie types. making backpacks out of mesh laundry bags, tarp with trash can bags flaps for doors(and your poncho). bringing a newspaper to read and use for a sleeping pad. sawing off toothbrush handles. now its over prices z packs with the latest type of plastic.
>>2646744what's your tent if i may be so bold to ask
>>2646782ray way tarp. that or ive done tarp burrito. i get it probably isnt for everyone. my gf has that really common lighter 2 person rei tent and when we use it we split it up between the two of us.