Would Insulated Coveralls provide enough warmth to work as a suitable lighter weight alternative to a Sleeping Bag? I ask only because I think they would, and I could save myself a lot of room in my pack if so, as my Sleeping Bag takes up far too much!
>>2554041Just pack a blanket, idiot.
>>2554042I'd freeze you death in a blanket... Talk about Amateur Hour!
>>2554046Then you'd freeze to death in overalls.
>>2554048A blanket has no insulation, and no loft... What are you doing answering my question? Jesus... Another online loser with no life to speak of who lives off his career female of a mother's income... I'd rather be an idiot than a fatherless couch potato.
>>2554056I do live in a fairly temperate area, but I've been camping with only a poncho liner or a polyester blanket many times and I'm not posting this from the afterlife.
>>2554059I'm in Canada where temperatures go far below 0 during the winter... A Sleeping Bag Liner or blanket has no insulation or loft... They provide about 5 degrees of warmth, and that is it! I'd be pairing one of those with my Insulated Coveralls, and I think they'd work being that they do provide insulation as well as loft in the same way that a Sleeping Bag does.
>>2554063you are going to freeze to death trying to sleep outside in -20 celsius in a pair of coveralls
>>2554043Do you know for sure? Because I'm not going to attempt it if I haven't got a for sure answer from someone with experience.
>>2554065It depends on how much insulation they contain, and what the temperature rating of that insulation is only I've got no way to tell.. So, do you have experience or are you making assumptions?
>>2554063>t. regards, Jim
>>2554041Are you just going to lie in the snow in your coveralls? You'll be an interesting corpse. Get a better/smaller sleeping bag, and learn build a fire and a shelter.Insulated work coveralls are bulky and heavy. Snowmobiling ones aren't much better. They aren't waterproof. They don't breathe. If you plan to wear them out, you'll sweat all day and freeze at night.
>>2554046>I'd freeze you death in a blanket... Talk about Amateur Hour!Sounds like you're a little bitch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUYbN5KXl_Q
>>2554041>enough warmth to work as a suitable lighter weight alternative to a Sleeping Bag?It's pretty much impossible to answer as the question as it stands can currently be answered with:>yes>noThe long story short is that the best warmth:weight:volume sleep gear is high quality goose down. Save up and get a decent down sleeping bag.
>>2554046There's things called a down quilt which are just blankets with a footboard sewn in if you like. They are very tiny and very warn.https://www.etsy.com/shop/HangTightShopInsulated overalls/bibs will not keep you warm. They aren't designed for 'static' wearing. Once you stop moving you start losing heat. They make a wearable sleeping bag. E celebs say it sucks...https://www.amazon.com/Selkbag-Original-6G-Sleeping-Bag/dp/B07SGPHX5Zhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=8Aj-LKQFblQ&feature=shares
>>2554284that shit is acute suffering in anything but extreme cold though
>>2554041I don't think so. Mainly because the coveralls don't tend to pack down as small as most sleeping bags do while providing less loft than a bag.Maybe the other way to look at it is like the Mitten/Glove comparison. The sleeping bag being the 'mitten' keeping 1 mass of air insulated with less surface area than the Insulated coveralls where each leg is separated like a glove.
>>2554056This person has never slept under a tight woven wool blanket. How do you think the Highland Scots survived using just the plaid mor?
>>2554041coveralls won't save you weight.its just a higher face fabric (not insulating) to fill ratio than a sleeping bag.its just a worse sleeping bag.just buy a better sleeping bag. a lower end ultralight 0 degree quilt should be less than a pound and a half and pack smaller than a football. you really can't get better than that.>>2554308if you consider one make sure to buy it in the widest size possible if you don't use a hammock.>>2554420this.
Rather than a jumper as a sleeping bag, what about a sleeping bag as a jumper? I know the army used to issue sleeping bags with arm holes, you might be able to get rid of your base camp jumper instead
>>2554451I have a German army bag from the Eighties that has arms.
>>2554308That’s a gimmick wearable sleeping bag. Jacks R Better makes legitimate wearable quilts. It’s basically a quilt with a head hole in the middle that you wear like a poncho.
>>2554417You can get bags rated for different conditions anon...
>>2554067 Jesus christ you sound like the most annoying person to have to deal with. I pity your family and acquaintances.
>>2554467i made something like this and didn't like it. you don't really want to expose your sleeping bag to elements a lot of times, you certainly don't want to sweat wearing it, you can't fit a shell over it, and it always fits like a poncho no matter how you design it, which is not thermally efficient. i concluded its good in theory bad in practice.>>2554417down's the least clammy of anything.no one sleeping bag covers all weather, unless you live somewhere tropical you usually need 2 to 3 bags to cover the range you'll /out/ if you backpack all seasons.if you want a 'better' warm weather bag, get a quilt with a zippered or cinched footbox that opens up like a blanket for your 40 and maybe even 10/20 degree bags.also look for a quilt that comes with 7d or 10d face fabrics. they are noticably less clammy than 15d/25d/etc you find on standard or economy sleeping bags. generally you will need a custom or higher end bag.
>>2554442Had to read your sentence 3 times before I understood you are in fact not referring to a super low priced bag of £1.5
>>2554489haha you britsman i wish
>>2554488>exposed to elements>sweating in it>can’t wear a shell over it>not thermally efficientWere you trying to hike in it like some goon? Down is terrible for active wear. It’s for around camp, especially in the cold morning.
>>2554492i don't see the point of the head slit if its just for around camp, you can get the same thing without the head slit in higher fp down and better face fabrics from most cottage topquilt makers thee days. if you're talking about that, i like it for 20 & 40 degree bags but colder than that i'll take the fully sewn up footbox any day.
>>2554498the point is $$$
>>2554041I use a blanket with full side zippers its bettee till super cold, then its mummy and same thing as not gay and sleep nude instead of base layers or what ever else
>>2554498having a 'poncho' feature on a quilt is for camp wear, the idea being you could then leave your puffy at home if the conditions allow. hiking while wearing a quilt poncho is a crazy idea. I've often worn my quilt as a cape/poncho in the mornings if it's chilly.
>>2554492Those are valid concerns for around camp though, since it's your only form of insulation, assuming you're doing this to save weight. You'd have to watch which camp chores you do, would need to pack it away with any precipitation, even fog. And at the end of the day only marginally more effective than sitting down with a quilt on your shoulders, and adding a gap in your quilt.
>>2554500you get what you pay for with sleeping bags. price to performance ratio doesn't begin dropping off till $400-500. it should be the biggest spend out of all your gear if you plan correctly.
>>2554804yeah but must-have gimmicky "upgrades" are predatory
>>2554816ya thats why i was suggesting the head slit's a bit silly compared to buying a higher end bag that doesn't draft and using the weight savings to bring a down/apex jacket.
>>2554433They didn't travel much in winter and stayed at friends and family's homes when traveling.
>>2554853They were largely nomadic.
>>2554041Anything above -10 you dont really need anything except what you're wearing anyway, so in the realm of 2 fleeces and trousers on top of an underlayer. Just make sure youre insulated from the ground somehow. If that means very light cheap sleeping bag its better for stowing than a mat, but a mat'll do the job far better at the cost of being really fucking annoying.
>>2554895You're thinking of tinkers. Those travel in groups, with tents.
lads what is the technical name of sleeping bag? got it from a quiz and not a single person knows
>>2555055ummm a sleeping bag. some people will talk about their sleep system which could include their mat, maybe their sleep clothes, a bivy, and even their shelter. many people use quilts. or some people might specify the shape of their sleeping bag and refer to it as a mummy bag.
>>2554987>Anything above -10 you dont really need anything except what you're wearing anywayPost livestream of you sleeping outside in -10 with no sleeping bag.
I have, in many ways, the opposite problem of OP. I need a solution for warm weather hikes. I have a 40° bag that's stuffy, big, and heavy for what it does. Then I have a 10° quilt that has a slightly smaller compression size. It's great in the winter but feels like a waste in the summer. Basically what should I carry to be peak comfy in nights that are humid with 80° lows? I like to have something over me even if I just kick it off.
>>2555084I had the same problem hiking in the Deep South. It was an early summer, I was sweating in my tent, and immediately looked for a solution when I got home. The answer is a hammock. Everything you read online talks about cold weather rather than hot weather, and how you need insulation under you due to convective heat loss. Well the heat loss in a hammock becomes a net positive when the lows barely dip below 80°. Everyone knows they can get chilly in a hammock even with a sleeping back below 70, so it makes perfect sense.You’ll need a full coverage bug net as well, not one that zips to the hammock (mosquitos can bite through nylon). I’m not sure who makes a decent one anymore. As for a body covering, I use a silk sleeping bag liner. It’s more breathable than cotton, and performs more like a synthetic material with regards to holding moisture.
>>2555088I live and hike in TN but ive lived in the deep south my whole life. A certain degree of being comfortable as I'm sure you know, is just getting used to it. I had an ENO with a bug net that i bought over a decade ago. Something tells me its probably not suitable for camping though. The other problem is I hike with a friend and we split the tent between our packs. I would have to also convert him.
>>2555091The eno is fine if you got, it's just a little short. Typical gathered end hammocks are 11ft. Having a hammock for relaxing in good too, so just bring it next trip and test it out together. You can also consider a tarp and bug net for airflow.
>>2555083>still in phone signalngmi.Theyre probably euro anyway.
>>2554041Only one way to find out: try it. Youll never find out by asking /in/
>>2555101>euro-10c to still way too cold to be trying to sleep without a sleeping bag
>>2555091Yeah, your bf will have to fend for himself. Hammocks are generally solo. Expensive too. $130 for a good tarp, $40 for a hammock, $75 for a bugnet, maybe $40 for suspension… it adds up. It’s like buying a new tent, but customized. Then you’ll need an underquilt if you want to use it beyond summer (real summer).
>>2555173>>2555100Hmm. Hard to justify for solo too when I'd rather invest in a bivvy I can carry myself for 4 seasons here. Good info though. I may try to use the eno. I do already have a bug net for it, so I would just have to get a tarp. Thanks, bros.
>>2555181What ground pad are you using and what’s its r-value? I’m sure it’s greater than zero. A hammock will always win when it comes to keeping you cool.