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Kindly requesting more photos like pic related posted in this thread thank you
He’s literally me by the way

Disabled nerd here who can't bend over for extended periods without feeling like death for a week afterwards, should I do high-raised beds (~3 ft) or just stick to pot planting

>>2552066
wouldn't you feel like death even if you were working in pots?
filling a tall raised bed is kind of expensive even if you throw logs and limbs in the bottom half, hard work as well
200-300 dollars for a zinc-treated steel raised bed like a Birdie's, and then another 100 for compost, 200 if you don't have a bunch of yard waste to throw on the bottom
if money is no object though you'd probably be more comfortable with the tall raised bed in the long run

>>2552066
Just put pots on a table

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Asked in the last thread, but didn't realize it was over: Does anyone know of a good long, rectangular plant stand that is about 3 feet tall? The ones I find all seem a bit shorter than that. Preferably long, but not very wide. It's for my balcony, so the plants can sit over the railing

>>2552066
Try squatting or sitting on a milk crate.

Do anons have any ideas for turning my formerly onions and corn ruined land and turning it to pasture or productive naturally producing land?
I think I'm going to let it sit this entire year but I need long term planning to get going later in the fall to prep for next year.

>>2552319
>formerly onions and corn ruined land

what habbened DDDD:

>>2552319
Cover crops

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>>2552319
Cover crops, as already suggested are a good idea. Annual legumes and a grain or biomass crop would do a lot to help the soil.
Alternatively just broadcast a pasture mix that's well-adapted to your area. Even the STUN method of orchard that mark shepard does might work well for you--basically just toss a ton of seedling fruit trees into the ground as cheaply as you can, with the understanding that most will die, but the ones that live will generally be very hardy and well-adapted.
>>2552065
I also love comfy apustaja images, here's the only related one I have to hand. Might make one myself, because they bring me joy.

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>>2552372
NTA, but I also love comfy apu images. Here is a gardening related one, but I have others as well

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I'm designing a hydroponics system for a difficult spot, and I'd like to draw on the /hmg/ brain trust.
It's a hoophouse with no power, but available water. For reasons that I can't get into, I have to utilize a hydroponics setup.
picrel is my general design. I have access to a large number of large, flat trays, about 25"x28" and 1" deep. I plan to use these as the grow beds.
The plan is to have a raised reservoir with the nutrient solution that trickles down narrow vinyl tubing into the first tray. I've experimented, and a simple t-joint works pretty well to make a sort of water aspirator to suck in air along with the water and help aerate the nutrient solution as much as possible.
This aerated solution bubbles into the first tray, which has its own drainage tube on the far end. This drains the solution (again aerating it) into the next tray, and so on. Crucially, it's positioned so that there's always a little bit of water standing on the bottom of the tray, though naturally this water is constantly being aerated and exchanged as the solution flows.
The trays will be covered with sheets of XPS foam cut to size, with holes drilled for flexible foam collars or net cups to hold the plants.
The idea is to have sort of nutrient film/deep water culture hybrid, by having slow flow with a small amount of aerated water always on the bottom of the tray. Each tray holds ~2 gallons when partially flooded this way. Ideally I'd have a reservoir of 20-30 gallons that I could refill (from a second bottom reservoir that the last tray would drain into) with a hand pump once or twice daily.
I'd be growing greens and herbs. My main concern is temperature--I'm in the northeast and though summer nights are much cooler, I worry that with a thin 'film' of water in the bottom of the tray, the whole system could warm to ambient (90+F in the dog days of summer) and I'd end up with a lot of dead plants. Any way around this? Or is it less of an issue than I'm thinking?

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>>2552065

An apartment fren here. Having to restart most of my garden because a freak frost wave here in Florida killed a lot of my seedlings out side. My bell peppers and coffee plant survived thankfully. Outside of the ones I’m gonna restart, any ideas on what type of plants I should start alongside my garden?

>>2552391
>florida
Eggplants and sweet potatoes if you like them, they do well in the heat y'all get midsummer. Have you done tomatoes before? I'd imagine fungal issues would be rampant with the heat and humidity.
I'm in the midwest, so it's a very different climate--hard to imagine what it's like growing someplace where 100% RH and 100 degrees is a regular occurence.

>>2552391
>apartment fren
>growing outside
ngmi

I understand that one of the main advantages of using seed potatoes rather than sprouting ones from the store is that sneed potatoes are usually certified free of disease.
Unfortunately I'm having a real shitty time finding seed potatoes of varieties I want (it is the correct season where I live).
If I use potatoes from the store and they harbor disease, would I expect to see evidence of it in this crop?

I usually grow potatoes in containers, then empty the containers out into a new raised bed when I harvest them.
Would I be able to see signs of disease and discard the soil, or can these things only start showing signs after a season or two?

>>2552391
How do you cure coffee beans? Or can you just pick them off the plant and use them? I have no idea

>>2552064
How should I, a suburb-fag still living with parents, get started with planting shit? We have a yard, but I don't want to claim their land for my shit regardless of whether or not they do anything with it.

Should I start with an indoor hydroponics setup in my closet? I think I'd prefer to grow some different kinds of peppers, both for hot sauce and general consumption.
>inb4 "bro just stick a potted plant on a windowsill"

>>2552513
>but I don't want to claim their land for my shit regardless of whether or not they do anything with it.
unless they're some kind of freaks who hate plants, I doubt they'd care, especially if they've got the room. I'd ask them first of course.
>Should I start with an indoor hydroponics setup in my closet?
I don't know enough about the hydroponics stuff, but growing indoors just seems generally like a bigger pain - it feels a lot more uncertain and expensive. I'm growing indoors, but I'm a poorfag retard and for all I know it might not work out, but if you know what you're doing, go for it. I'd personally prefer to grow outside though.

>>2552494
>>2552441

My little bush isn’t fruiting yet, that’ll be another year or two. Processing the coffee fruit is easy enough. The ripe fruit is pulled off the tree(the plantations use these cupped rakes). It’s okay to eat the outer fruit that covers the pity/bean, it taste’s a mix of apple and kiwi. Now that the bean is husked from the fruit. Place the beans in a bowl of water to ferment for no less than a week, no curing needed. After fermentation has all the fruit off the bean, roast until acquired taste. You can even dehydrate the rind of the fruit, flash and all, into a tasty fruit tea.

Does any of you like one particular plant that you have collection of?
I kind of like elderberries(so far I only have 2 cultivars, but I will probably buy 2-3 more)
And rhubarbs(3 right now, considering getting another cultivar)

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Tried potatoes a few years ago. Wasn't worth it to me. might try it again

>>2552594
I usually grow 5-7 different types of tomatoes and I've gotten two type of grape Vines and plan of two more this summer
Don't have any preferences in the squash family but I always grow some.
Been collecting perennials for a later guerilla gardening project.
I was buying elderberries but I've been finding the around my house so I think I'll use that room on my property for something else.

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Is that hmg discord group still around?

>>2552623
I always have a bad Colorado beatle problem when I try. Same with husk cherries.

>>2552631
>Same with husk cherries.
northeast PA here, our husk cherries grow like fucking bushes here.

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milkweed coming up nicely

>>2552631
Colorado beetles are a pain in the ass, but manageable.
Last year my entire potato ctop got blighted and died. Was a sad time.

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Desperate need for some suggestions lads.

Planted my tomatoes about a month ago, maybe a bit more. Sprouted nicely but totally stalled out since then. Previously they just weren't making progress but now they are even starting to look discolored and sickly. 3 of them have even flopped over as if they are drying out (they have plenty of water)

(1\3)

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>>2552657
Conditions:
set up at the corner of a South and east facing window, so plenty of light.
Kind of a chilly room but I got a heating pad for them about a week ago and was running a space heater in the room a week prior to that.
Watering daily.
Transplanted to larger cells about 2 weeks ago thinking maybe they had outgrown the previous cells.
No fertilizers. I'd never used any prior.

(2/3)

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>>2552661
Any suggestions appreciated. Kind of late to start a new set of sprouts, I'd rather try to salvage these, but I have no idea what's going wrong.

Still think it might be temperature related, I'm gunna move them to a warmer room.

Sorry my pics came in sideways.

>>2552661
>Watering daily.
Probably watering too much
But honestly, it looks like lack of light to me

>>2552662
The purple coloration is from stress, probably to cold and need time to bounce back with some warmth

>>2552669
>The purple coloration is from stress
NTA but maybe this is true but my tomato seedlings came up the exact same way, including the ones I direct seeded into my garden bed so I don’t think that’s it

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compost anon here. It's finally warm enough to turn the heap again. Currently it's way too wet but I was surprised at how much broken down even the stuff I've thrown on late is. I think even if it's still not fully broken down that it will serve its purpose of providing nutrients and that I can put some on my garden beds.

newfag from r9k here, redpill me on everything about farming
reason is i want to start growing my own
>dude weed
but dont know jackshit about plants and i dont wanna fuck anything up, doesnt have to be specifically about cannabis, i just would like to learn about farming in general

>>2552701
>Get a pot
>Get some soil
>Plant your seeds
>Put some mulch on top once they sprout
Don't forget to water and give sunlight to them

>>2552701
>>2552704
>Get some soil
don't use normal outdoor soil if you're bringing it indoors, it'll bring in pests and stuff

>>2552674
Mine tend to have purple coloration as well, those these do look maybe a little more purple than usual.

>>2552667
It's just a couple spritzes. Like I mentioned it's at the corner of a south and east facing window, so it gets sunlight almost all day long.

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>>2552743
Molehill soil

>>2552765
Windows filter the sunlight pretty hard. There are some good, cheap growlights on amazon that might help

>>2552701
>redpill me on everything about farming
It's the foundation of western civilization.

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>>2552767
>Molehill soil
>moles included

>>2552794
>Chaz soil
>chazzers included

>>2552775
Hm. Never been an issue before, but I have a grow light I can set up near it for a little extra

>>2552623
Booba

Finally bought a house with a yard last year, planted haskap berry bushes, strawberries, sour cherries and grapes in the autumn. So damn excited for this spring. Won't see anything from the grapes in the first year, but everything else should produce at least a little.

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Vanilla and fingerlime just arrived
My climate is too cold for these so I'll be keeping them indoors until I can get a greenhouse set up
I bought them to challenge myself

>>2552821
Neat!

>>2552822
If I don't kill them I'll post updates. I used to grow a lot of tropical plants (posted pics of banana, coffee, papaya before) but then I was living in the tropics when I did that.
I think I'll try a grow tent rather than proper greenhouse.
Vanilla in particular is supposed to be fragile outside its ideal environment (orchid) but I want experience with it because if I get a chance I'd like to do it commercially one day (and it's just fun).

>>2552821
Finger lime is a mission. did you buy it close to it's first fruiting?

>>2552864
No it's pretty young.

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I used to be so autistic about planning things out, this year I'm just putting things wherever, symmetry and companion planting be damned.

Just one more week 'til it's all in the ground.

>>2552888
checked, I'm growing the super sweet 100 this year as well

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>>2552775
get e27 leds, cheap and ok, remove the dom, 30% ore efficient.
check color temp for your specific needs.

https://youtu.be/Qmuj40Tj1ow?t=63

>>2552382
Would still really appreciate some others' thoughts on this
>>2552927
>>2552888
Super Sweet 100s are some of my favorite cherry tomatoes to grow, up there with Goldie. Very vigorous and excellent flavor.
>>2552814
What kind of grapes, anon? Where I am we're pretty much limited to Concords, though they are very tasty and fun to prune.
>>2552686
I always like adding some extra browns (ususally newspaper or dead leaves) if my pile looks wet. I don't even bother shredding them, since I figure larger particle size will improve drainage without impacting my C:N ratio too much

dahlias have sprouted, I repeat dahlias have sprouted

>>2553104
Do you eat the tubers?

Is there a good place to buy seeds from for basic veggies that’s under $5/packet?

>>2552477
I think there wouldn’t be a crop and I plan to do the same in buckets where nothing else would be infected.

>>2553113
any garden center. online, there's jlhudson (or pretty much any seed vault), the seeds are cheap but you've gotta pay extra for shipping.

>>2553113
Like every fucking hardware store/grocery store/walmart

>>2553116
>>2553117
Thank you. For some reason I thought those didn’t work.

>>2553113
Rare seeds dot com

>>2552393
have you ever braided garlic Mr Garlic God? I kinda want to buy the variety of Garlic I can make braids with for decorations/gifts for family/convenient storage.

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>>2552701
get clones from someone with a good plant and then there are plenty of guides at least there used all over youtube/video hosting sites all about the growing process for Jazz Cabbage from seed to harvest metaphorically speaking. Dont skimp on the grow light, dirt, fertilizer, ph controls, water filter, & DOYR and do a lot of it. Jazz Cabbage can be finicky but if you are not a complete retard or cheap ass you should be fine. One thing I cannot express enough is DYOR and if your plants have issues as at your local supply store/head shop usually someone can give pointers.

>>2552814
>>2553012
To echo another anon, what grapes are you growing? I have 2 varieties of wine grapes coming, L'Acadie Blanc (Hybrid White), and Siegerrebe (Vinifera White). As for other fruit/berries, I have a black currant bush (bought last year) alpine strawberries, wild Newfoundland blueberries, and wild Newfoundland partridgeberry (you folks call them lingonberry). I have a few varieties of potted figs overwintering that I hope survive... I'm not sure if they'll ripen in my area...

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soilblock fag again. Stuff is going good, first year in the last 7 or so that I haven't used soil blocks.
Long season stuff currently

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>>2553206
March 15th 2022
peppers

soooo

>buy house with ~750 sqm garden
>it's mostly lawn, but has like this great bush in the middle, also an ivy arch
>they are both a pain in the ass to maintain because of the height, and they are also pretty much useless (besides the ivy attracting tons of bees in the autumn)

how do you guys make the decision to get rid of sth that took like 5+ years to grow?
I feel kinda bad for the previous owners for some reason

>>2553225
plant even more obtrusive bushes and sell it like the previous owner.

>>2553225
>they are also pretty much useless
rip it out, you answered your own question

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>>2553221
edit
Jedi F1 peppers 3-14 - a few days behind

anyone know what the most heat tolerant collard or perennial tree collard variety is?

>>2553270
Who /farming game/ here? Any rune factory or harvest moon senpaitachi?

>>2552631
.gg/9sFmvcNr
It's waking up for spring

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>>2553225
rip it out and plant something more invasive or obnoxious such as blackberries or mint and let it just take over/get massive.

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For the anons who have grown onions and have experience. What is the best way to start onions? Seeds, Shoots, or mini bulbs?

>>2553288
I can't into Harvest Moon. Started the snes game once, but I was filtered.

>>2553300
If you want huge onions you need to start from seed or buy "shoots". Also make sure you choose the right kind for how long of a day you have.

>>2553225
Replace the bush with bamboo, it's very pretty and has that exotic vibe.

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so, i live in an apartment, and i'm going to for the next two years at least. i don't have any space to grow anything. i have some indoor plants, and i can grow them in the windows, but i want to actually grow fruits and vegetables and shit.
i was thinking, there's a lot of forest not that far from me, and it goes on for miles. i've been out there foraging before, and there are a fair number of clearings, like pic related. it's not my land, but, no one goes out there. hypothetically, i don't think anything would happen if i were to just sow a small garden out there. it's not like, immediately visible. it's a good 10 or 15 minutes walk from the road to actually get to a clearing. i'm thinking if i don't permanently "damage" anything, like maybe just try and till the soil, and check up on the plants periodically, i could probably get away with it. it's not like anyone's doing anything with the land anyway. is it even an unethical thing to do?

>>2553319
Do you know if it is public land or private land?

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>>2553319
Instead of doing all that work just to have a ignorant deer eat your vegetables. How about seeing if you see if you can rent a plot in a community garden ?

My small town lets you rent a 20'x40' plot for $15 and its already tilled.

>>2553105
no, I cum on the flowers

>>2552657
it might be the cardboard tray, I planted some of my spinach in them and it's done the same

>>2553385
nature's fertilizer

>>2553300
Seeds 100%
Sets are for if you're lazy and don't care about the result that much. They'll never grow to the same size as they will from seed, but if you get sets from a local nursery for 2.99 a pound and you have empty soil sitting around you can plant a year's worth of small onions in ten minutes

>>2553113
Dollarseed
Literally one dollar per packet
Most veggies have 50-100 seeds each, the only issue is that they have maybe 1-3 varieties of each vegetable to choose from
Can't beat the price though

>>2553390
They make okay pest repellant. I interplant them with my squash.

>>2553398
i never thought of using them with that specific purpose in mind, it's actually genius

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I need help anons. New to gardening, and I bought a ton of different flower packets of which I've been starting the seeds indoors. The problem is when I'm doing research on how big of a pot I may need (if I don't transplant directly into the ground soil) I get bs articles that don't mention pot size or will tell me they need a 12 inch diameter pot and then google images shows the fucking flower in a small pot or a 12 inch pot with mutliple flowers. Amazon has these guys for $22 for 100ct. Is this a bad deal, or can most flowers be planted in these? I'm thinking anything past 2 ft tall needs a bigger pot or be ground planted, but I'm not sure. I need to transplant from the seedling trays soon but I'd like to transplant them to their forever home if possible.

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>>2553455
I usually go with quart sized containers when I pot up from my starter trays. Nothing seems to get root bound before my plants time.in late April/may.

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are there any GMO seeds you can actually buy as a non-farmer?
like "golden rice" or a watermelon that glows in the dark or whatever. practically every website is like "we don't sell GMO seeds, go elsewhere!" but where the fuck do you buy the GMO seeds?

>>2553514
You have to sacrifice your firstborn to Ba'al. They arrive in about 3-5 business days courtesy of USPS First-Class mail.

>>2553514
papaya? for gmo papaya I think they just shoot something into the nucleus instead of gene splicing

>>2553514
Far as I know there is no gmo tomatoes on the market right now. The only one I ever heard of was Flavr savr. And thats been discontinued since 1997 or so.

bros, i overwatered my seeds a little then put a foil over them. are they gonna be ok?

>>2553714
Yeah, let them get air.

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It begins. I got so much shit guys. Peppers, eggplants, beans, peas, zucchini, squash, tomatoes, potatoes, Jerusalem artichokes, so much. I'm in zone 5 though so it sucks.

>>2553894
Always wondered, what's the expense in electricity to bring from seed to plant? Wonder if it's worth it and how much time it allows you to save

>>2553898
If you run the numbers, it's cheaper to buy food. It's more about the joy of growing plants. I also like to try out all these varieties of vegetables that you cant just buy in a store. Selfsufficany is part of it too. I grow a ton direct sow, like greens, herbs, beans, peas, potatoes etc. Those are cheap.

>>2553898
>what's the expense in electricity to bring from seed to plant?
windows are free

>>2553901
not as opposed to linux/ubuntu

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>>2553910
for the record

>>2553900
I understand that, but for some veggies you just can't find products of comparable quality at any store

>>2553514
Some of the new chestnut cultivars and hybrids are GMO...

>>2553514
buy anything that has seeds innit at the supermarket

chives are sprouting, snow is melting, we are so back.

Fellas.
Fellas I fucked up.
Want to add some super hots to my pepper garden, so I’ve got four of each— three bhut varieties and reapers— plant growing.
Been moving one of the reapers to get more sunlight, was watering lightly once an hour, with the intention to get it around five inches tall and then start watering it more but less frequently.
But today I didn’t set the timer.
And so it sat.
And dried.

Now it has been watered for a few hours, the stem looks good, but the two true leaves (cotyledons fell off past week) look very sad :(.
Is it kill?
Might the leaves spring up overnight?
Might new leaves be produced, perhaps maybe perhaps?
This one is my first born, please no.

>>2554024
don't fuck with it. i've killed a lot of plants by checking up on them and trying to mess with them too much. "maybe i should remove these dead leaves, maybe i should prop it up better, maybe i'll fertilize it".
do what you do normally, don't fuck with it, let nature do it's thing. that usually works the best in my experience. if it's dead it's dead, but fucking with it might kill it.

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>went down to my cities park & rec dept & spent 30 dollars to rent a 25' x 25' plot of land down in the cities communal garden with prime soil since its in a major river flood plane and it floods every 5 to 10 years.
Lads 25' x 25' is alot of space and while I have a bunch of garden plants started under my growlights I think I now have space to try some new things/one offs as far as growing plants go. I want to try to grow for the first time and want recommendations for Spineless Okra, Eggplants, Cucumbers, & Potatoes. Since I just rented this plot and its only available from March Through November when they plow everything under for the season that means I cant grow garlic over winter unless I am mistaken. Any advice as far as in ground growing is appreciated as well as I have only container gardened up to this point.

>>2554033
grow some frickin weed dude B)

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>>2554034
(you)

>>2554028
God I hope it’s not dead Anon.

>>2554049
come to terms with it being dead, and if it's not, then it's a pleasant surprise.

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>>2554033
I'm a fan of potatoes. I would try atleast growing two kinds. I useally pick russet burbank or russet norkotah. And red norland or pontiac red. Another option is growing fingerling potatoes or sweet potatoes.

http://www.curzio.com/N/PotatoCatalog.htm

The Kenosha potato project is a cool website if you're into potatoes

>>2554034
>$30 for 25sqft.
>>2554034
weeds, plural

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>>2554071
>>$30 for 25sqft.
sorry anon for being a city slicker but for a container gardener like me its a massive step up. I know there are people here who have massive personal gardens but I have to start somewhere and I will likely be too poor for a long time before I can ever buy a house with enough land to garden on.

>>2554075
>sorry anon for being a city slicker but for a container gardener like me its a massive step up.
no, its not you, its the price. my city rents garden beds for the same price too.

>>2554077
Is 30 USD cheap or expensive for my half plot? Sorry if that's a dumb question. For a full plot a 25' x 50' plot is 55 or 60 dollars I cant remember but its a decent size patch of dirt for what I payed for it and its only $30 for the entire year and the location/dirt is pretty good since it sits on a major river flood plane so a couple of times a decade it floods out and deposits new silt/dirt all over the Community garden area but I am also very new to gardening so wtf do I know.

>>2554078
Do they include tools and stuff? I can see it as a pretty good deal if you wanted to try out gardening, without much investment.

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>>2554080
no community tool shed unfortunately due to the semi regular flooding every couple of years to half decade. This community garden sits about a half mile at most from the main river channel so when it floods this garden is regularly under 8 to 10 ft plus of water. That being said I already have a shovel and getting a garden rake & hoe is not that big of a deal. Thankfully they already till the soil/aerate it every year once November hits they plow everything under. I might go out to the plot this weekend or next weekend and sow some radishes, spinach, lettuce, & horseradish seeds.

>>2554083
nice, sounds fun :)
need to get my garden ready, procrastination is a shit. redoing my raised beds out of logs vs the 2x4's i'd been using.
pepper seedlings are in the greenhouse already, potatoes and onions are this weekend (hopefully)
this is not the time to get sick, just wish my immune system got the memo.

>>2554024
Like the other anon said, don't fuck with it. I did something similar, but instead brought inside seedlings outside directly in the sun all day ONCE. All of them went into shock, lost over half of those seedlings. Go ahead and start another batch of whatever you were growing in their cell/pot. If they recover, you can kill the new-comer, if they don't you've got the replacement already growing.

>>2554078
the more I think about it, it seems pretty reasonable, at least for how land is priced these days.

Got a mealybug infestation in my rooftop garden, they nest in the underside of my 3m dracanea fragrans. And the ants bring their larvae into my potted succs and cacti. How can i decimate their population reliably? I live in a tropical area and now its dry season. Its hot and dry, they just thrive everywhere. Using meme organic insecticide (mint, garlic and neem extract) + soap didnt do anything. What should i do?????

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Got these over the winter, if it’s successful they’ll be gifts for my grandmas :) also got star and heart cucumber molds for the wife

>>2554238
Try solarization. Stick clear plastic over you beds and let the sun nuke them.

>>2554253
Okay. Might trying it on my succs, they currently on pup stage, my tray got a lid. Also, did drenching the soil with pesticide works at pup stage succulent? Got no bed though, just potted plants, but potted evergreen plants really grind my gears (some kind of edible coleus, saraca indica, some kind of wild bell flower and that accursed dracanea) since they host those pest

Do seedlings need fertilizer? What do y'all use? Need something cheap.

>>2554298
I use compost usually lasts until I pot them up to bigger pots

>>2554298
Depends on the species and your seed starting mix. Big seeds like squash and beans have a lot of energy stored in the seed itself that'll get them big enough to transplant on their own. Smaller seeds and slow growing stuff might need something if your seed starting mix is something very sterile. I've used worm tea diluted something like 1 to 8 with water. Whatever you use keep it light. You can shock plants and give them nutrient burn if you overdo it and with small plants that's easy. Most likely you're having light or watering problems if your seedlings look limp though. Rule those out first.

>>2553319
Unethical? How can it be, if you are only growing for personal consumption and personal enjoyment. If it is private land, it would be ethical and logical to ask the landowner but I don’t really think it’s necessary if you only intend to grow a personal garden. If it is public land, you will need to determine if it’s state or federal land, what kind of designation it falls under, and what rules have been laid out for land use. Again, for a personal garden that you aren’t profiting on, I wouldn’t worry about ethical considerations beyond basic human decency like keeping your garden area tidy and keeping the local forest intact and unobstructed.

Might be a good idea to label your garden and the plants in it so somebody that might chance across it doesn’t think you’re trying to grow weed in the woods. It’s a much more common occurrence than most people would realize, and I think at least in America the average person that chanced upon a clandestine garden with nothing but seedlings may well assume it’s an illegal farm and report it. Then, whether you were breaking the law or not The Man will take your garden away.

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>3 days until spring
Whatcha planting?
Whatcha sowing?
Whatcha tending?
Whatcha planning?

>>2554251
please update us on how they worked. I was on the fence about trying this.

>>2554298
I dont really think about feeding them until they grow the first set of true leaves. Then I hit em with the blue koolaid knowwhatimean?

>>2552701
Weed grows like her namesake in hot, humid tropical conditions and will grow just as readily in just about any soil that isn’t permafrost, but we ain’t talking about growing ol’ Gladys Ganja for hoots n’ hollers now are we? The name of the game is maximizing yield, which means incentivizing the female plant to grow the highest density of the largest and most terpene-laden flower buds as she can. Essentially, this involves strategically stressing her through various means throughout her life cycle in order to coax her into putting all her energy into producing buds. I could write a text wall out for you but one man’s wisdom is another man’s hocus, as others have said you need to do your own legwork and hit the books. You’ll find lots of specialty methods that boast the best yields possible, that’s mostly marketing. Like any plant your tools are soil, water, air and light. High quality soil with a unique nutrient content, clean water clear of the trappings of tap water and possibly enhanced with some more unique nutrient blends, specific airflow mechanisms set to a timer and a light fixture that outputs a specific range of light at adjustable times. This in addition to humidity control, a special grow room, specific pest measures, the curing process, there’s so much to it. It is an art and a science to grow premium bud, and it takes a skillful dance of advanced agriculture techniques, high tech equipment and a carefully selected genetic strain to bring about the Good Shit.

But you could easily plant your seeds in the dirt and if a female grows and she isn’t knocked up by a nearby male then you can cure the buds and shmoke them for something you could call a high.

>>2552686
That’s a sexy pile anon. I have been gardening for years but never really paid any attention to soil, I just bought prebagged stuff and filled by raised beds. I’ve been getting into composting and vermiculture stuff on YouTube and I’m super excited to start growing my soil this year! Maybe even more excited than growing the plants…

>>2552662
Yellowing+cupping leaves sometimes indicate a water problem, sometimes a temperature problem. Tomatoes can be fickle with water amounts and temperature changes. If they were lacking light they’d be shooting up long thin stalks and reaching for the window. That soil looks mighty dry fren, how much water are you giving them? Peat and potting soil in those little cups can dry out quickly, especially because those cardboard trays can also absorb water from the soil, and the sunlight will only further the problem. If they were seriously threatened by a cold snap that could just as easily be the culprit. Making a tent out of plastic film and straws can make a mini green house for your sprouts when you’re doing them indoors like this, it keeps the heat and water contained better in a little microclimate. If you move them to a warmer room and stay on top of your watering schedule, that’s just about the best you can do for them.

>>2552594
I’m a sucker for beans, pulses of any kind really.

>>2552513
If they have land to use you ought to put it to work. Ask nicely and present your case and unless they’re unreasonable I can’t see them declining, especially if you do raised beds. Hydroponics are fun but much more expensive up front, more time consuming to get going and are prone to mechanical failures in addition to the normal biological ones. It’s not that hard if you do your research and pick a low effort low cost method, and it definitely saves on space. If you invest the money/time you can get it going vertical and really make good use of your space. I bought a $600 flood-drain system, don’t be like me.

>>2552382
If you’re worried about water temp, throwing some distilled water ice cubes into the reservoir might help, you’d have to rebalance the nutrients but not right at first. If the water is always moving and the reservoir isn’t in direct sunlight I wouldn’t worry too much about it. I have seen many a hydroponic fiend in the dog days with nothing covered except their reservoirs. The water is cooler than the ambient temp, and the ambient temp is cooler in the shade, ere go the water will remain cool enough for that plants especially if you prevent algae and the like from settling into your water column.

Alternatively you could let it heat up to max and see what happens.

>>2552513
Just buy a couple of grow bags and set up in the yard? You wont take up much room and can always move them. You could grow indoors as well. LED grow lights like a ts1000 and sf1000 are cheap to run and can give you actual peppers indoors as well.

>britanon with an allotment
>Weather getting warmer
>Have a massive head
>Got an old leather hat thing that makes me look a bit like an ugly Indiana Jones
>Need hat better for warmer weather because Scottish so sweat constantly
>Want to get a big fuck off straw hat that fits my massive head and is good for hot weather
>Everyone around me on the allotment is from Burma or Vietnam
>Wife says they'll get offended if I wear a big straw hat when gardening

What are my options here? Is it time to go full welcome to the rice fields? Do I get a pith helmet to flex colonialism?

>>2554356
Stuff your wife. Just get a decent straw hat.
Actually, stuff that idea. Get a proper rice paddy cone-hat.

>>2554356
Leave your wife for a pretty young Vietnamese girl and embrace the paddy.

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>>2554356
To flex colonialism in front of Viets you should go with a legionnaires cap

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>>2554356
Can't be racist if it's made by a basic white bitch company

>>2554365
A true flex would be a full reproduction Fallschirmjäger uniform

>>2554382
Bast would be to slowly add more of the uniform over regular clothes over the summer.

>>2554356
Get a Baja wide brimmed straw/reed hat. I have one and the only downside is its not great in high winds but its otherwise perfect.

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>>2554401
>>2554382
>>2554373
>>2554365
>>2554364
>>2554359
Thanks for the insight anons, gonna start smashing gook puss and wear the dumb hats I want.

>>2554324
Seconded, I will be pumping out oddball pumpkins all fall if these work.

>>2554356
Bigheadcaps has a hat made out of old truck fabric that I use as a garden hat. I needed a strap added for wind otherwise it's grand

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Imagine spending your effort in things that will sustain you when you can just spend all your time and money on bonsai trees

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>>2554356
you will look wery nice

>>2554298
Peat moss, compost, sand. Liquid feed nitrogen with your penis (it's free)

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>>2554356
British woman afraid of offending immigrants who hate her by default. Sad. Many such cases.

As for you, stop asking your wife for her opinions, take back your country, and wear one of these like an actual white person who has mastered using synthetic fibers made from promethean chemical sludge. What is wrong with you?

>>2554402
100% wear the dumb hat you want. i found a great deal on a pair of surplus leather military boots, and i think i look like a bit of a clown when i wear them, but they're fucking excellent boots messing around outside, so i don't give a fuck what people think about them. my grandfather gave me this big cowboy hat when i was younger, and friends have memed on me for wearing it when i work outside, but it's damn good at keeping the sun off, so fuck em.

>>2554356
>Have a massive head

can you easily chow chicken bones and crack open walnuts with premolars/molars like me ?

if not you re not on par with me

>>2552628
What types of grapes, anon?

>>2554058
Do they have a potato named after Kyle Rittenhouse?

this is autistic as fuck but, is there a program or game/simulator i can use to plan the layout of my garden/yard in detail? i cant draw for shit and cant really do much outside since the weather is shit right now

>>2554598
an image editor (ie. GIMP), just do boxes + text or whatever.

>>2554598
you have to create an account, but, yeah
https://gardenplanner.almanac.com/account/login/?redirect=/app/

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heya men, what do you do with potatoes?
>inb4 fry em, mash em, put em in a stew
but seriously though
planted roughly 8kg (80-100 potatoes) and ended up with over 60kg of potatoes in my root cellar last atumn and even increasing my regular potato consumption im still not through more than 1/3 and its soon time to put more into the ground
8/10 meals i have with potatoes
liquor?

>>2554683
you can grate and freeze them for easy hash browns. You can pickle/can them for later. You can donate them since you do so well and cant eat all of them. You can find a nice girl. Make a connection and have 3-6 children to feed potatoes too. etc etc just use your imagination.

>>2554683
Vodka, bread, dehydrate and turn into flour. Or power your house with a million potato batteries.

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>>2552064
Anons, do you recognize this as some kind of disease or parasite? There are more than a few on my poor basil.

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>>2554569
No idea. One of my kids ripped up my garden notes and I didn't tie any labels to them.
Ones a seeded variety red variety that's doing well and ones a seedless variety that's been abused. First by ducks and my dog ate the wood this fall. I'll see if it bounces back this year.

>>2554701
Scale insect. Pick them off and check for eggs.

>>2554693
dont want children rn, no cap, but sure i get your point
>>2554695
>heated greenhouse during winter with potato battery
nice idea friend
gin would be cool
bread is also good, /sourdough/ hipsters wont know what hit them

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>>2554402
go wear the dumb hat anon who gives a fuck what other tossers think you are gardening, having fun, & keeping the sun from tearing the hide off your head, shoulders, & upper back depending on the brim size. Mine looks like pic related however the brim can be bent up or down to your preference.

What's the best insecticide for edible crops?
1. needs to be somewhat cheap
2. needs to not be very toxic, I don't want to be stressed if I get some on exposed skin
3. actually effective, none of that 'natural' bullshit

>>2554840
none, i use none (i dont even companion planting or baiting and i grew strawberries and cotton G. herbaceum) and the only insects that bother me a bit are grasshoppers, the only thing that i have to figure out now are the systemic pathogenic fungi that killed most of my strawberries

>>2554683
>heya men, what do you do with potatoes?
you don't wanna know.

>>2554702
this maniac is back?!? Are you ever going to tidy that place up??

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>>2554683
potato anon I wish for your blessing. I bought 3ish pounds of Purple/All Blue potatoes from my local Amish store and have never planted potatoes before. I got me a garden plot in the community garden & the space so I can mound them or do whatever I just have never grown potatoes before so I have no idea wtf I am doing since its my second year of gardening.

>>2554840
pyrethrin or neem oil.

stumbled to these vidoes, they re fake rigtho ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eyDx5E62W0

>>2554868
There are a lot of bullshit videos floating around.

>>2554701
Neem oil the plant

I just found a whole dissolving plastic bag from Target in my garden.
It's so over it's never been more over

>>2554939
at least its dissolving

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>>2554854
Depending on the size of the seed potatoes. You can plant them whole or cut them up so there is atleast one eye on each chunk. If you do cut them into smaller pieces make sure you allow the pieces to scab over. It only takes a day or so.
I like tomake a trench about 6" deep and maybe 3-4" wide then drop a seed potato every 10-12" then I cover and water well.
After the plant reaches 8-10" I come by and hill the plants and do it again when it grows another 8-10". I normally only hill my potatoes twice in a season. Because I noticed anymore and the plant worries about growing upwards and not growing tubers.
Once most of the plant has died off I come by with a potato digger and dig the potatoes. I try to do it when the soil is somewhat dry so the soil doesn't stick to the potatoes as much.
After that I put them in a shaded area with a breeze and allow them to cure before removing stuck on soil. Then I put them in burlap bags and hang them in the pantry.

On a sidenote has anyone tried saving true potato seed and growing potatoes from the seed ?
I've read that it only takes three seasons to get a potato accustomed to the area and climate.
I try every year to save the potato berries and only been succesful once in getting the seeds to sprout.
I lost the seedlings to cold. The heater died while I was at work and when I got home they were dead.

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>>2554939
My garden is 40% dissolving plastic

>look at the cost of tools
>slide into looking at the cost of welding and blacksmithing equipment, because ridiculously simple tools that are effectively bits of rebar zapped together are going for like $50 a pop

>>2554868
I have 86 strawberries growing out of squashes in my basement.

>>2555020
sorry wrong thread

>>2552391
sunflower
make a statement

>>2555010
You have God’s tools at the end of your forearms anon, reject the witchcraft of blacksmithing, return to moleman

>>2554952
I've grown true potato seed before, a lot of common potato varieties have fertility issues so you might be better off looking up varieties that are known for being seedy.

fucking faggot bees.
Why did i put them in my vegs garden?
I dont even like honey

>>2552319
If it’s nitrogen deficient, you can plant clover. Problem is that clover is hard as fuck to get rid of once it’s there I think. I could be wrong about that though, but I know for sure that clover brings nitrogen back in.

>>2554978
enjoy your carcinogenic turnips

corn and peppers planted
I'm going for quality over variety this year so it's only one type of habenero

peas are also coming along great, almost warm enough to take them out of the greenhouse

>>2553894
My first year I tried starting cucubrits indoors. You'll find they grow too fast and take up space. In those small cells you basically immediately need to up-pot.

Zone 5 here as well. Direct sow your zucchini, squash, cucumbers. They take off fast.

>>2554470
I hate youtube personalities but I do enjoy MIgardener. Their seeds have done well for me. Gardening info is easily digestible and genuinely helpful.

>>2555114
I start them in 4 packs or in 4 inch pots indoors. Direct sowing big tasty seeds is a bad idea if you have any pests.

>>2555119
What kind of pests eat the seeds?
Just sharing my experience anyway. If you have the space and lights, go for it. I just don't really see the point.

>>2555123
Squirrels. Starting seeds in a bigger container is a lot easier than trying to keep those little shits out of my beds.

>>2552064
Is square foot gardening in raised beds a meme? Does it work? Is there better polyculture concepts?

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>>2555165
Depends on allotment size and how much and what you anticipate on growing. I don't believe in the functional purpose of raised beds in general over growing straight into the ground which unless your old is much more convenient in terms of building up your soil. If you have a decent amount of land and plan on growing an actual decent amount of food, anything but a market garden style system is a meme. That basically looks like roughly 30 in beds however long you want, with 10-20 inch walkways in-between your beds. Most equipment, (broadforks, rakes, tillers, tilthers) row covers (poly low tunnels, agribon frost blankets, shade cloth, seeders, and poly tunnels) are rated for roughly 30 inch bed type systems and going in a long straight line as opposed to alot of people's gardens which are just squares or rectangles. Like 4'x8x'. Covering that with a frost blanket or whatever doesn't work. If you have a limited amount of space these beds work out, but for growing larger amounts of crops market garden layouts are the best.

>>2555124
Seconded. Squirrels got most of my corn seeds this season. It’s a small plot so I’m just going to replant and cover it until they sprout.

>>2555165
I wouldn't worry about the ideal growing setup if you're just getting started. Just start a compost pile. Good soil is good soil and will pay more dividends than following some gardening paradigm to the letter.

It's still another month until I can plant out and I keep ordering/buying plants. Send help.

>>2555165
Also to answer your question. Square foot gardening works but it's just a simple concept. You're trying to maximize the amount of food youre getting out of the smallest amount of space. So you need to figure out if that works through trial and error. You can plant 20 turnips in an area, and 13 turnips in an area with greater spacing. The reality is 20 turnips grown in the same space as 13 is going to give you smaller plants and less is going to give you larger plants. Which produces better results? This would probably require you to actually weigh your harvests to see if more/smaller size is actually more food than less/larger size. This goes for all plants. More plants closer together= smaller plants/fruit. Less plants farther apart = bigger plants/fruit. There's usually a perfect balance between the two. Where people planting could actually probably afford to plant closer than they think, and it depends on context as well. Polytunnel growers growing vine tomatoes single stake them and grow them really close together up strings and then lean them. Closer spacing gives better yields in this context, but if you're just trellising tomatoes outside pruning them and single staking them is not as good as just keeping all their growth and giving them good spacing.

>>2555165
Yes
The main situations you'd do it is
>no real ground to garden in but you could built raised beds on that area
>contaminated ground so you use raised beds
>you have medical issue so higher raised beds help with that
If you're in a non moderate weather (HOT) and dry area they can cause more work, in that case olla are must

>>2555128
>hairy pepper plants
are you growing Rocoto's the ones with the black seeds? How do you like them? They are one of the few pepper varieties that I have not tried to grow yet.

how do you deal with wood and branches that are no good as firewood? cant bury them all and compost doesnt want them

>>2555192
should say that i do what i think most other people do, just pile em up in spring and burn them
just wondering if theres more to them than a hedonistic fire

>>2555192
Biochar or chipper. That's what I do with brush, or bonfire.

>>2555193
Since you're already doing brush burn piles really look into biochar which has much better use case for a garden. Wood ash is one of the best sources of potash, but when you make biochar with it instead it's even better. It absorbs nutrients and holds them, and also is the best source for carbon.
>Learn how to make a biochar burn pile
>Collect
>Pound that shit down as much as you want
You want to load it with nutrients instead of just dumping it on your garden beds because it's absorbs nutrients and locks them up, so usually you just add it to your compost piles. You can put it in buckets and piss in it so it absorbs all that nitrogen, and then add it to a compost pile or right onto your beds or lawn even

>>2555197
>>2555194
i always assumed making biochar was too low yield to be worth it

>>2555203
Your gonna get bigger yields doing biochar than you would just burning wood and collecting ash (if you collect ash) because less burns off. Really the only options you have with brush is, biochar, regular burn pile, or chipping it down to compost or use as mulch or walkways. Biochar obviously requires some effort over just burning brush straight so thats something you have to consider if it's worth it to you. I just compost everything

>>2555182
iktf I bought another packet of pepper seeds today along with some more seed cells & some flower seed packets of Alyssum to use as a cover/companion plant. This time I swear I am putting the hard cap on for buying more seeds.

always good to see the thread picking up the pace
all 40 of my pea plants have sprouted, how densely can I plant them out according to the square foot method?

>>2555191
Fruits can get massive and thick-walled if you pick the right varieties. They burn differently because pubescens have more dihydrocapsaicin than other peppers. They do need a long growing season to produce peppers so you may need to overwinter them to get better results.

>>2555192
Everything composts eventually. I do a quick chop of everything with loppers and throw them in one of my many compost piles. If I have to wait a few years or run a rake or sift the pile I don't really care. I have a big compost piles I use for potting mix and to spread on my established beds as fertilizer that I'll sift as needed and others that will get spread out a bit and become mini beds for larger perennials I have in pots once they're big enough to transplant.

>>2555216
cool I want to try to grow almost all the pepper varieties at least once & here in zone 6B since I have the growlight space to start indoors I can give them enough time to grow to hopefully produce fruit in the first season if not I can also overwinter one of the plants. Personally my favorite peppers are scotch bonnets & anaheims.

>>2555211
interesting
sure, i collect the ash. or i usually make the bonfire in spring on/around my beds so its easily just shoveled onto where its needed before planting. maybe it can help break up the heavy clay i have at 40cm deep over time
>>2555235
thats fine i guess
though i end up with probably close to 500kg of branches/brush after felling each years firewood and general brush clearing for wild life and game
i find they decompose much slower than they accumulate
wood chips make my soil slightly too acidic
ill try making some biochar in some old oil drums once the weather clears and my pile dries

>>2555280

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>>2555280
Was going to ask in this thread too. Antone have experience buying reclaimed strip mine land? Is it safe to eat food from the soil after 30 years of settling?

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>>2553206
Do you know where I can get a 2 foot tall tent?? I just want it for seedlings and will transplant outside so I don't need 4 or 6 ft ones. What company makes that? Thanks!

>>2555319
2x2x60 mars hydro is $65
We only have the 4x4 because we can fit 8 1020 trays.

>grow tent 2x2
on amazon brought up a lot

>>2555283
I’m no expert but I would bet that heavy metal exposure is certainly still an issue 30 years isn’t very long at all in that instance. You could probably take some soil samples and get your soil tested for any kind of contaminant, maybe you could do it yourself though I would still try to get a lab test. This is just what I would do in your position, I could be wrong but I wouldn’t want to take the chance.

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>been repotting plants all evening.
>using boiling water to sterilize my potting soil before transplanting
>takes more than an hour for each 5 gallon bucket of potting soil & worm casting to cool down enough to transplant.
>almost midnight in my timezone and am barely half way transplanting my plants.
Im tired boss man. I wanted to get all 100 Plus plants transplanted today but cooldowns on waiting for soil to cool has made it not doable.
>currently waiting on another 5 Gallon bucket of soil to cooldown enough to transplant my peppers & tomatoes into
I hate pests anons but having to sterilize my soil with boiling water from my kettle is damn tedious & a waste of time. Also fuck fungus gnats with the wide end of a sledge hammer I hate them so fucking much.

>seed video of people "building a food forest"
>is nothing but making a orchard
>sometimes a water hungry orchard in arid areas not fitting the environment and locality at all
why can't these niggers actually build a food forest?
I understand the work and time involved but only people like geoff lawton actually put in that time and effort starting off with lots of natives and support species first

>>2555410
you can also bake your soil

>>2555283

Like anon >>2555409 says, i've no clue what i'm on about either.

However it would seem reasonable to my uneducated mind that rainfall over the years would help wash away the topmost contaminants, washing away of heavy metals deeper down being a matter of time as well.
Like anon said, i'd test the soil, but dig holes to get samples all over the patch at varied depths, even deeper than you expect to disturb, just to get as good an idea of how vast the contanimant issue is.

>>2555410
Dont use worm castings if you are going to kill all the beneficial bacteria that is the reason to use worm castings at the first place.

>>2555410
Are you using soil from the forest or something?

>>2555454
its mostly to kill pests, larvae, & their eggs. Last year I had awful indoor pest issues when starting my plants under my growlights so I am sterilizing my soil this year via boiling water and then adding worm casting to reintroduce that good bacteria for the soil sans the pests.
>>2555467
Nope bagged potting mix mostly its just that the potting mix I bought has been sitting outside exposed to the elements for a while so pests could have made a home in the bags of dirt I bought and I am taking no chances of dealing with more bugs on top of the fungus gnats which I hate with a passion.

Just had the toe of my axe bit snap clean off. Guess it's what I get for expecting pot metal to take full swings.

dumb and practical question: can I compost used toilet paper? (gf doesn't flush tp/wet wipes and piles up the trash can and it's honestly disgusting)
they're Wegmans branded thick tp btw

>>2555600
Check up on how quickly bleach builds up but otherwise probably .
On that note why do they bleach to? It's gotta be cheaper just to keep it brown

>>2555600
Get a new gf

I found an egg in the compost bag

>>2555600
send me the tp

>>2555600
>Doesn't flush tp
Bit odd
>Doesn't flush wet wipes.
This makes sense, they block the bog because they don't break down like toiler paper.

>>2555107
There’s microplastic in the rain anon, it’s already over.

>>2555482
>carnivorous plants
I think I have a solution for you anon

What's some ideas on getting rid of a absolutely ridiculous amount of snails? Kinda reluctant on putting out pet safe snailbait but I don't think the beer traps are gonna work on the scale I've gotta deal with here.

>>2555410
I forgot to do that this year when getting my indoor starters going and boy that was a mistake that I'm paying for in masse, especially since the starters were in my bedroom

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>>2555785
>What's some ideas on getting rid of a absolutely ridiculous amount of snails?

>>2555788
Garlic and herb butter snails are so good it’s a crime

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Got a problem anons. Some of my seedlings are ready for a bigger pot (red pots in pic), but I have come to realize I don't have enough fucking room for those pots and the seedling trays. 9 red pots take up the space as a 72 cell seedling tray, . My last frost date is in late April. How would you solve this issue? I have a sliding door with natural sunlight but I don't think it's enough for seedlings, and I don't have a greenhouse. Can I harden seedlings off early and start putting them in direct sunlight outside? Is room light enough for the next month?

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>>2555785
In the past I've used beer traps for snails and slugs. It work pretty good and its pretty cheap if you buy a tall boy or a 40.

I grew black tomatoes and honestly they're a bit disgusting
I wish I just went with red ones

>>2555858
Always make sure to only start seedlings within a window that allows you to transplant as other plants become mature and require bigger pots. It always seems great to be like "sweet I'll just start all my plants super early so they have more time to grow" but then you run into this problem. I dont know about your grow zone but I'll be putting out most of my cold hardy crops come Wednesday under frost cloth. What I would do is start hardening off any and all plants if the day time temperature is sufficient for that particular plant and then just bringing them back inside during the night as the temps drop back down again. Put them in shaded areas to start. It doesn't take a full week to fully harden off a plant you can do it in 4 days

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>>2555785
>Getting rid of snails.

I recommend a duck.

>>2555785
Garter snakes, frogs and toads all eat slugs, dunno about snails but you could try attracting those critters to your garden with well built hides and a source of water

>>2555785
methaldehyde pellets are the only thing that really worked for me
if you scatter it around, you should be fine even with a cat or dog around

>>2555858
build another shelf like this, cover it in clear plastic and wala - you have a mini-greenhouse
put it by south-facing wall so that the micro-climate always stays above zero (unless you get extreme cold snap)
a house radiates enough latent heat to keep it from freezing, plastic traps more heat from sun and protects from wind-chill
since it's above ground, it won't conduct heat away through ground

>>2555600
is your gf from Mexico?

>>2555600
1) beat your gf for being disgusting
2) get bidet

will repotting my seedling into a different type of soil (garden soil > potting soil) have an adverse effect on them?

>>2556027
you can mix the 2 soil types to make it easier

arguing with my dad about hidroponics and growing with grow lights
he says only metallic halogen lights which are super expensive are able to be used, which is why he's against it
I heard a guy here talk once about his setup using leds and he used very little money per month on his setup, and it was very feasible

I have read about people doing it and its worth it, but I do know very little about it
could anyone gib me some pics of their setups and basic info about them?
like amazon links, how much you estimate it uses of your electric bill, etc.
why some lights are better than others, etc.

I know for plants voltage is less important than the light frequency they use, but Im not so sure why

Help me convince him to get a nice setup to grow veggies year round

>>2556057
diy e27 led panel
make a frame fitting your area, every 25 cm a socket, install cable and bulbs. ready
check lumens per watt, cost efficiany is here.

no hydro. its crap, unhealthy and expensiv. do organic and reuse soil with fresh compost, biochar, manure, worm casting and so on.

dyor

>>2556057
I have some cheap LED grow-lights on a simple timer. It works well for overwintering tender perennials. My seedlings get really leggy under them. You need to consider what you're growing. Some plants need changes in light exposure times and color to flower properly, cannabis and fennel are two that come to mind. If you want to grow those well completely indoors you'll need a fancier setup.
>I know for plants voltage is less important than the light frequency they use, but Im not so sure why
Your plants don't give a fuck about voltage. What they want is lumens and the right color frequencies that simulate their ideal habitat. Only your wallet cares about voltage.

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>>2556057
lol all of my grow lights are LED with most being the phosphorus coating that allows for better light spectrum and I have no issue growing perfectly healthy plants indoors hell I have never even heard of Metallic Halogen bulbs wtf even is that? The big thing with LEDS is they do save a fair bit of energy so long as you have them on an outlet timer. I personally own three of the spider farmer SF600's 74W grow lights and I kept three overwintered plants alive under them along with my Aloe Collection. The SF600's use less than ten bucks of power a month & my 200 Watt spider farmer light maybe uses 25 to 30 dollars max per month as far as power usage. To answer your question LED's are fine and what the majority of people use nowadays for various reasons DYOR & yes it is worth it to grow vegetables indoors overwinter its a hell of a lot of fun.

Is a 12 cm (0,47 inches) container deep enough for alpine strawberries? I'm reading a lot of conflicting info with some saying the roots are very shallow and others saying that the container should be "quite deep" etc.

>>2556071
>0,47 inches
I meant 4,7 inches obviously

>>2556071
>alpine strawberries
I've seen these things grow in rocks, concrete.. pretty much anything.
I've stepped on them accidentally several times, lawnmower once and they still spread everywhere.

>>2556067
>>2556063
>>2556062
thanks guys
used this info to talk to him and he doubled down on the fact that sodium lights are more efficient and that he doesnt think LEDs are good enough to grow healthy fruits, only to keep herbs alive

Is that true? I pretty much doubt it, like we checked a cannabis forum article of a guy growing using Leds lights and he got some fat production, even going as far as to saying they are a great alternative to sodium lights for growers
Even then, my dad said this article, which he looked for himself, said could be written by an ignorant rando and he doesnt have to believe in it
A shame, IMO this is him being a boomer that cant conceive tech advanced from the times he grew stuff himself long ago

I don't even want to grow weed btw, but growing shit year round seems so fun
anyone want to recommend a beginner set up? is electronics or woodworking useful skills here to lower costs?
I'd be happy keeping like...1 square meter? I think so, of covered lights
I always thought they were way more expensive in electricity terms desu

>>2556067
Listen to this man. I have all my plants under LEDs indoors. Every plant has a grow light hanging from the ceiling. I light some like art pieces. They're all on timers. My coffee trees, my herb garden, my fiddle leaf fig, and my succulents are all doing great. I even live in a shitty apartment so my only option is to grow indoors. LEDs are great.

>>2556071
i think there is no benefit in using over 1 liter per plant

>>2556057
you can use the household bulbs if you like.
Cheapest possible, pull the globe off, you will find a flat board with small leds.
Put as many as you feel is suitable.
It wont be most efficient but the setup is cheap.

>>2556071
I've grown alpine strawberry (Rügen) years back, and I think my depth was around 5or 6 inches. I can't remember the old beds dimentions. I do plan on doing them again this year - maybe a different set up. I'll post here if I find anything. I plan on more of them, with max production. I've even been thinking of those ladder style verticals.

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>>2552821
Update
The Vanilla is thriving and growing a lot quicker than I anticipated
Had a small aerial root shrivel (humidity was too low) so I've been micromanaging it misting it etc and it seems to have solved it but I should set something up properly this week
The finger lime is having difficulty, it's a graft and the root stock is thriving whilst the grafted part is dying back I noticed this starting the evening after it arrived. Not sure what to do with it really

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>>2556100
>>2556150
Just to show a basic as shit setup. pic rel.
This sort of thing can at least grow seedlings and also grow them to semi mature and probably to fruit given enough light.
I am using it to head start seedlings, my seeds are old and asyou can see not growing.
I have some peppers and tomatoes and random squashs going in this crummy setup.

>>2556379
>>2556100
>>2556057
good luck! grow something anyway!

>>2556057
Traditionally MH lights (blueish) are used for vegetative growth of certain plants and then sodium lights(orangish) for flowering/fruiting.
Now led can beat the tradition and is more efficient in the last 5 -10 years.
So you have to embrace led or go old bulbs/tech.

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>>2556057
>I heard a guy here talk once about his setup using leds and he used very little money per month on his setup, and it was very feasible
LEDs don't make growing free. Really depends on what/where you are growing.
If you live in a moderate to cold climate then you really will spend little if your conservative and dim your lights based on requirements.
Live anywhere where it's hot and humid and most of your power will be in climate control rather than lights.
>anyone want to recommend a beginner set up?
Build yourself a stand and amazon often can have some good deals for lights IF you know what to look for
These lights are $60 right now: https://a.co/d/iDMmnKU they are even app controlled so you don't need a timer and is dimmable. App is a little annoying but it works.
There is also those garage lights that look like pic related which are quite powerful with the one caveat is they are often 6500k color temp which is getting way too blue for my tastes. (It'll keep plants quite short) you wont need much sockets since these lights are on the more powerful side.
Another anon mentioned regular light bulbs which might seem cheap but with how cheap grow lighting has gotten I'm not sure it's the deal it once was. Have to factor in the price of bulbs as well as the sheer amount of sockets and wiring (assuming you don't have some spare romex or unused power cables you can harvest) you'll definitely have to price it all out
I'd shoot for atleast 25 real watts of LED per square foot whatever you do.

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Leaving my peppers in the tub caused them to suffocate

pray for my boys

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>>2556100
For my one lonely strawberry plant, I've been using the cheapest clip-on lamp and 5000K high-lumen bulb money can buy, and it did fine all winter long and even produced its first fruits this month. Boomers never think they're wrong about anything, just ignore him and do what your own research and experience tells you.

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>>2556057
Your dad is a idiot. LEDS work just fine. I've used three $15 LED shop lights on a timer for the last six years and my plants been great every year.
I mounted my lights to a wood frame thats suspended from the ceiling with pulleys so I can adjust the height of the LEDS as the plants grow.

>>2553319
you should try doing that if it does not go well, try renting a community garden like the other guy said.

if it wasn't for my plants I'd probably kill myself

>3rd year in a row where I lose all my apricots to frost damage

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As we go into another season, I would like to remind everyone to not be swayed or coerced by the pumpkin cult. Sure they will promise purpose and results, but there is help. Please reach out to someone that you may think might be considering joining.

>>2554952
Can one just buy regular potatoes from the store(the real cheap ones) and use them as seed potatoes? I assume I need to get them in advance and keep them in a warm place until they start sprouting, right?

>>2555030
lol
>>2555086
What's wrong with bees?

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>>2556057
that Gardening with Jeb guy, in one of his videos, used regular ass fluorescent light bulbs like pic rel and it seemed to work, always wanted to give it a try

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>>2556574

>>2556489
run a fan in your bathroom anon wtf is wrong with you.

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>>2556583
Yes you can but it may take longer to get them to sprout since alot of potatoes have been treated with a growth inhibitor. You can force the potatoes to sprout(chitting) ahead of time by exposing the potatoes to cool area with alot of light. Or you can try organic potatoes.
I would use seed potatoes if possible because those potatoes could have diseases. And you could introduce it into your garden.

>>2556576
i grew one pumpkin last year and it ended up weighing in at 18kg
4 months in im still eating pumpkin once or twice a week
not worth it bros, its not even that good

>>2556615
>I would use seed potatoes if possible because those potatoes could have diseases. And you could introduce it into your garden.
Any examples?

Anybody know anything about corn varieties?
I got
>golden bantam
>elan
>japnonica
>vilmorin
I have no idea which one I should pick for my needs/climate.
But I want to try growing a patch of corn to experiment/learn and variety.

>>2556576
It's too late anon.
I bought myself blue Hubert seeds and damn it I'm gonna plant them!

>>2556618
The ones I know of are the leaf curl virus pvy, and potato blight

>want to plant fava beans because they are cool hardy and can take off earlier than other beans
>turns out they have Vicine which when digested by your body gets converted to a highly reactive oxidative species.
>if you are healthy its just more oxadative stress
>if you have a mutation then your red blood cells can literally die and this mutation is pretty common
fucking hell bros, what other beans can I plant that don't have this shit?
I don't want to increase oxidative stress on my body for a fucking bean, can't even boil this shit out as the other shit beans have like lectins.

>>2556325
How far did you space them apart? Mine are the Baron von Solemacher variety.

>>2556641
>want to plant fava beans
If it makes your feel any better I was hyped about them last year, planted them, beautiful plant, nice smelling flowers but the beans taste like shit.
Absolutely not worth any effort what so ever.
Fuck Fava beans, never planting again.

Sorghum or millet for small scale, self consumption. Which one?
Ease of harvesting being an important factor.

>>2556719
Sorghum is super easy to harvest and thresh, a lot of millet species need to be hulled before eating but pearl millet can be eaten as-is. If I had to pick I'd go sorghum, but personally I'd rather grow a bit of both.

Speaking of sorghum, this year I'm growing out a variety that's allegedly perennial and I'm really excited about it. Last frost can't come soon enough.

>>2556726
Thanks, I guess I will see if I can find seeds of either and compare the taste as well. But leaning towards sorghum.
>>2556711
Well I really wanted to add something that would fix nitrogen into the ground and possibly provide some nice pick me harvest.
Peas are cool, taste great, but they aren't as frost hardy as fava beans and fava beans grow and support them selves a bit better.
Oh well. Peas and chickpeas are what I will plant regardless but was hopping to add some kind of bean to it, especially one that tolerates cool better than others.

How do I choke out weeds easily?
I heard some grass can do it

>>2556576
I saw a video about the history of pumpkins, and how 2 centuries ago they were called 'pumpions'
been calling my gf pumpi since then

>>2556750
black plastic tarp over area
literal most effective way
lack of sunlight and both high heat/no water is a powerful combo

>>2556648
i have reine des vallees, 10-15cm is probably enough, mine are runnerless (clumping)

>>2556753
what about the grass
just replant?

>>2556774
not him but yeah. I have also read that a lack of water promotes weeds over grass. If you want only grass, get really aggressive grass and water it all the time.

>>2556775
whats a good grass type for zone 9a?

>>2556648
I'm the rügen strawberry, anon. When I grew them the first time, I did 1 plant per square foot (well a little less than 1 foot) I think I had 12 plants, and they got pretty big. Not sure if I should space them closer this time around or what...

Kale transplanted, cabbage transplanted, lettuce transplanted, arugula sown, spinach sown, carrots sown.

>>2556777
I dont know, but boomer culture has reams of info on grass and lawns. Go and find your answer.

>>2556750
just lay stones, tiles or bricks over them, ruth stout, and to prevent them may be better to just use clean paper or cardboard as to not decrease much aereation

>>2552513
If your growing food, they'll benefit from it. If you ask to use the yard and they say no, you can still grow things in big pots on the back porch as long as it gets sun.

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>>2556910
>>2556910
>>2556910
N E W T H R E A D
>>2556910
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>>2555283
I’ve seen an episode or two of Homestead Rescue. Both times the land was poisoned. They had to find a high hill away from all the metal contamination and do raised beds.

Are green onions an easy "first time" crop in California? I want to start small with a one pot plant while I'm still in college before I get my own place and start a backyard garden.

>>2557108
I think radishes and peas are the easiest. They germinate quickly and are the quickest to mature.