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I think my roma are drying up after a couple dozen tomatoes each.. ):How to prolong tomatoes in southern kalifornia
>>2398748Most romas tend to be determinate so they're probably done.
>>2398757Is my first year growing them. Good to know, thank you. Less messy of a plant than cherry tomatoes- those things spread like mad then dry out and you gotta dig thru to get red tomatoes. Roma seems nice; will update when I make the first sauc with this batch
>>2398761>Less messy of a plant than cherry tomatoes- those things spread like mad"cherry" does not automatically mean indeterminate that grows forever, if that's what you're talking about
>>2398768No no, just I am growing both this year- and the roma stays within a few feet, but the cherry just expands chaotically in every direction. And I think the cherry that is growing this year is from a seed or so that was left over from last year, I don't remember planting it.
>>2398761>when I make the first sauc with this batchi made tomato sauce for the first time last year and it turned out so good i grew 16 tomato plants and 10 basil this year8 plum and 8 cherry
>>2398773Man, I'm working on getting to that volume. Any advice for preparing so many tomatoes for saucing? Like using a dehydrator to get out water (atleast for the cherry tomatoes) or just leaving in the sun for a day. My mum has to boil them for hours otherwise
>>2398761Yeah they're basically grown for saucing and canning so all the fruit in one go is preferred. If in future years you want similar but indeterminate varieties there are a wealth of options.
>>2398778Not him but when we make sauce from cherry tomatoes we roast them in the oven first. It gives great flavor and cooks off lots of the water. Then strain and sauce!
What is the gist of things i need for chickens?I have a coop already, and tons of space. I know I will need a way to give them water and I'll need feed. I live in a 5b area, do i need any kind of incubation or heater during winter? seems like maybe not.
>>2398782Aye she would roast them in the oven, too. I'll post a picture of a sauce she made with them and olive oil- she adds to spaghetti (very good)>>2398781I suppose that's convenient. You rip them out of the dirt after the last is picked and put the branches on the compost, then? Stagger when you start new saplings so you have a batch once a month a few times ?Thanks guys.
>>2398783Chickens are pretty hearty so as long as your coop doesn't have any drafts it should be fine. Main thing is letting them have a flat spot they can roost on so they can cover their feet and keeping their water from freezing.
I'm a gardening noob. Trying to figure out what's wrong with this guy. I don't think I've greatly over or under watered, so my only guess is that it hates the clay that it's planted in and I didn't amend the dirt enough. Any anons think I'm on the right track, or is this some disease?
Afternoon gents, what's everyone planting today?
>>2398789I would personally trim off everything below the first fruit set, give it a heavy amendment, and a thorough soak of the root zone. It's very hard to over feed tomatoes.
>>2398797Found these little cunts makin sex on my tree.
>>2398789The lower leaves seem quite yellow. Maybe nitrogen, magnesium deficiency? Kind of hard to see details on the image. You can find images that show what different deficiencies cause. I guess i would find some nice fertilizer that has everything. I use Yara ferticare 7-24-38 + epsom salt + calcium nitrate but there are a lot of choices. Also it does look a bit dry
>>2398789>clay yeah that could be holding too much water and preventing nutrient uptake causing deficiency like anons already mentioned. if it's dense you might need to mix in some mulch/humus or chalk to break it up a bit..everything above the bottom few doesnt look too bad, but you'll have to take close up pics of the leaves if you want a chance of accurate guessing.
I am trying an experiment where I take tomato suckers and just stick them straight into the ground right at a drip emitter hole and see if they survive. They look a little wilted but I think they will recover. it's also like 90 degrees today so, unsurprising. The irrigation runs twice a day, three times if I elect to turn it on manually mid day. Ignore all my weeds, mistakes were made at the beginning of the year that I am just going to have to deal with. I should have mulched!
>>2398816i've done that several times, they'll be fine in a few days to a week once they root (they're pretty quick to do that).
>>2398778>>2398782i sliced them in 4, then boiled and strained all the excess juices outoven drying and roasting sounds something worth trying if nothing else but for the taste thanks
>>2398818that's kind of what I figured, which is awesome. free tomato plants!
>>2398801>>2398805Thanks for the advice anons. I'll trim off the lower set of leaves, give her a good dose of some black kow manure I have, and a good watering unless close ups show something different>>2398813Close up with picture of soil below mulch to follow
>>2398825The soil. You can see where I added some bagged soil around it, but right outside of the immediate root ball is clay
Tomatoes are so easy, i removed suckers and dropped them on the ground like a week ago and just found one that had rooted itself
>>2398778get proper variety for saucing like roma or san marzano.also remember the wider the pan/pot the quicker it evaporates.>>2398825yeah deffo some deficiency going on there from both the color and the visible veins.how wet is the soil under that mulch? and how deep? still wondering about the clay-ish soil you mentionedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k00rnBA9MFk
>>2398832>san marzanonaturally sold out>https://www.victoryseeds.com/tomato_san-marzano.html
>>2398816you can also put them into a glass of water until roots develope
>>2398834there has to be dozens and dozens of sellers in each country, at least one gotta have some. look harder and if you still cant find, check your local facebook market or ebay (or ebay alternative).i found one seller (not sure about country) instantly on google.
>>2398832Nice infographic. SavedSeveral spots in the bed that are mostly clay are damp at least 3 inches down. The area around the rootballs of the tomatoes themselves are dry now, so they probably need watering. My region has tons of red clay, which is mostly what the soil is. It's topsoil left over from the subdivision that was built here. You could smell the cow shit when they got into this soil, so I had hoped that was enough to amend it outside of mixing in some lighter bagged soil and compost.
>>2398846if it still smells like shit then it's not properly decomposed and completely ready for uptake by plants yet.but maybe get some liquid nutrients to bolster it for now, i dont think throwing some manure on it and watering that down into the bed will do a lot to prevent deficiency at this point (has far better effect if you mix it into the soil).next season you should dump some proper compost on the whole bed and mix it all in with the old mulch, like a foot down at least if you can, and break up as much of the clay you can.
>>2398797Planted some romaine seeds in flower 6 pack tray, mostly just so I can get an idea of how long it will take to get to transplant size. Once my fabric pot potatoes finish up in July I'll start putting lettuce in those containers. Maybe in the garden after the beans are done too. I do use a lot of lettuce.The first batch of lettuce is coming along nicely.
Britbong allotmentanon here, any idea what these spots on my runner are? I'm worried it's the sun scorching them but we're only watering them in the evening sun and I remember reading that scorching doesn't really happen because any drops will evaporate before it burns the leaf. Am I wrong or is there something else fucky with these boys?
Got some rain today, first time in months, long ass hot ass drought been going on. All the bugs are singing. It's nice.
>>2398784I don't grow romas and I'm too far north to have more than crop so I can't give specific advice but I'm sure you could. In my opinion big beefsteaks like brandywine or oxheart make the best sauces of all. >>2398797I planted some sweet potatoes a few weeks ago but we were still getting some chill nights and decided to leave another set of slips to keep developing a while. Now that the real heat is here they'll be going in the ground this afternoon.
>>2398789>>2398825>>2398827I agree with >>2398805seems like nitrogen on the lower leaves, but the sparse branching and the roll on the top leaves suggests it's something about nutrient uptake in general. I know you're looking at the clay soil, that might be it, but I would also do a quick pH test. You might be a little too alkaline. Clay soils generally tend above 7 pH unamended. >>2398857Love the day after a good shower. I'm hoping for one soon, my potatoes are all furling in from the heat. I love seeing them open up when it cools down.
>>2398854Could be scorch from sun, But sorta looks like fertilizer burn - are those brown edges on the leaves crispy? doesn't look like a mold or disease, though, so good news there. In any case, I wouldn't worry about the watering schedule for scorch, I haven't had a problem with midday watering - as long you're not watering with foliar fertilizer. I find mine like a midday misting to cool down a bit.
>>2398797Planted some cucumber seedlings straight from the seed starter tray to the dirt. I don't think they'll make it, cause it's 100 degrees until October, but here's to hoping
>>2398803>insert saxophone solo
>>2398949>cause it's 100 degrees until OctoberSame here. I'm thinking the growing season here should actually start in October. Frost isn't likely until mid February anyway.
It's growing lads!
>>2398852Lookin' tasty!>>2398949>>2398973Grow equatorial stuff like dragonfruit?
>>2398998Yeah I've got some cucumbers going, and I figure more tropical stuff will be the answer until the "real" growing season begins. The cukes are growing so fucking slowly though. In fact, everything is, and I think the soil quality is crap. I've even added fertilizer and shit. When I grew cukes a few years ago, it was crazy, like I felt the vines grew inches in a day, it always looked bigger every day.
>>2398998Dragonfruit is one of my all time favorites, I grew crazy amounts when I was in California. I'll see if I can find pics.
>>2399004They grow okay if you start them early enough, it's just so hard for replacement/successive planting, plus we're in a drought, 4 weeks no rain. I'm going to baby them until they seem established, if they die, I'll start new ones but I'll use a sheet or something to keep them from getting 14 hours of sunlight
>>2399010I started them, I believe, in April. Had other stuff in the pot but then fucking squirrels rooted that shit up, goddamn I hate squirrels so much. But yeah I probably just need to water them more, there wasn't a drought the last time I did this. Shade cloth seems pretty expensive for what it is, but if it's needed, so be it...
>>2399007I miss California. Texas is too damn hot.
>>2399019Are you one of those Californian refugees that shat up Texas? Fuck those morons. Cali refugees are actual cancer.
>>2399019Depending on where you are in Texas (I can only speak for the Houston area) its not normally this bad. Typically, there's a fuck ton of rain throughout summer, and that keeps temps down, and is wonderful for growing stuff. This drought fucking sucks.
>>2399022You're thinking of mexicans, which Californians didn't put in your state.
>>2399027lol, no. I'll take the Mexicans before the Californians unironically.
>>2399015the cukes in question
Dill is pretty.
>>2399038That's gonna make for some great pickles.
>>2399043That was the hope, but the cukes need to hurry the fuck up.
>>2399038Mine started trying to bolt. I just keep nipping off and eating the flowers.
>>2399048The seed needs good time to mature too, and you can store it if your cukes are still too slow. You can freeze the greens too.
>>2398974what is it?!?what whatwhat
>>2399062uwu, whats this!?
>>2398816My preferred method of doing tomatoes is actually to start a plant wayyy early inside, and then instead of starting seeds like six weeks before last frost I just take cuttings off mama plant and root them a few weeks before last frost. Only issue is when you wanna do a lot of varieties because tomato plants do take up a lot of space inside
Started a new sphagnum moss colony to aid in rooting cuttings since I have the worst luck on earth with getting things to root in potting mix.
Pepperoncini seeds showing signs of life, boys!
>>2399090nice do you have any plans what to do with them2 years ago i got 100 liters or jalapenoes and preserved them in vinegar and still have one unopened jar left
>>2399097Gonna pickle most of them, probably bite a few of them straight up as well!
>>2399101Cut off tops, stuff with cheese, cooked meat, olives, etc. Arrange cut-end-up in a dish so they don't fall. Bake, broil, or grill until cheese melts.
>>2399101put some chili and garlic to few jars and like anon here said >>2399103 you can do all sorts of stuff with them, my favorite is green cheese filling wrapped in bacon baked in oven/grill
>>2399105>green cheesewas supposed to say blue cheese
>>2399103>>2399105>>2399107Thanks Lads! I will definitely try these! Looking forward to harvest. Only takes 2 or 3 months from germination, I read
>>2398729This used to be a boring and poorly built retaining wall, cracked and leaning over. Now it's the milkshake that brings all the bees to my yard.
>>2399097>>2399101pickle gang! love me jalapenos
>>2398949Update: they all died 7 hours later
>>2399115now we're talking! some variety
>>2399117gotta harden them off man. straight outside is triple shock from sun, roots and temp
>>2399117If you have water you could grow lotus and eat the pods and roots
>>2399116What is your pickling recipe? My mom wants to pickle the pepperoncinis with me. She's Romanian, so she will definitely have a way she wants to do it, but will be open pickling other jars different ways, I'm sure
>>2399122im swedish, we do something called "1-2-3" most of the time, it's quite sweet.>1 part vinegar (12%)>2 parts sugar>3 parts water maybe throw in a couple pepper corns and garlic cloves and mustard seeds if you want too. we also do this for pickled herring filets with onion,carrots and peppercorns plus a few other things varying from family to family.also done onions and cukes but there's something missing for the cukes so dont try that (try american dill pickle recipes). the onions were great for tacos.
>>2399138Thanks Swede bro, I'm adding everyone's suggestion to a notepad file and will save it for when we are ready to pickle!
>>2399138Too much sugar. Sweet pickles are gross. Stick to meatballs nerd.
>>2399116>>2399138looking good and would love to show you some pickled cucumbers but i ate them all already, 18 plants making some more atmi use those bags you buy at the store that has mustard seeds and preservatives and you just add in water and vinegar
>>2399097>>2399116>>2399138fellow preservationists, pray for rain. This is my last jar and I need to restock, I will restock, the spices must flow...
first block almost done, then....the world.
>>2398781I really need to remember to either start earlier indoors or do early determinate varieties. Once the Florida heat hits full blast coaxing more tomatoes out of these sluts is impossible
>>2399159Get some everglades tomatoes. Produce like crazy
>>2398825Could be herbicide damage. Plant some beans in that soil + black cow and test it out.Otherwise, maybe early blight... prune it up like the one guy said
>>2399170Thank you based anon
>>2399174If it was herbicide damage that could be god awful, ground could be contaminated for fucking years
have a fuckton of lawn clippings. What can I do with it besides compost?
>>2399189Use it as mulch around plants, save some steps.
>>2399189Dry it out and use it to grow mushrooms
In the 2 days since the corn was planted a rabbit reduced 5 plants to stumps. I had a few spare plants to replace them. Forced to wall off the corn patch.
>>2399235This wont appeal to everyone but cats are good at keeping the rabbit population down.Also, youre WAY more likely to get toxoplasmosis from meat than pet cats.
>>2399251The hares here are bigger than cats. The only thing controlling their population is their propensity to run out in front of cars. On the edge of town coyotes hunt them.
>>2399251Plus cats are BASED
>>2399251>>2399260Heck yeaKeep those plants SAFE
>>2399260True, true.>>2399251You get toxoplasmosis from picking up cat poop with your bare hands and inhaling it
>>2399260I had a dream last week that my cat that died 4 years ago was still alive, but sick like she was the night before I had her put down. :(
>water keeps draining fro the bottom of the potI'm so tempted to reuse it, it can't be bad since it's draining every single time I water so there can't be build up of anything>3 threads up at the same timeHonestly though there's no need for this, just wait until we're page 9-10 before making a new thread
Hi folks. Sorry for such a braindead question but this is my first year gardening.Currently I am growing:Roma tomatoesCherry tomatoesChillies but no idea of varietyPattypan squashSweetcornPotatoesBeetsDwarf beansA year old cherry treeThe two feeds I have are 24-8-16 (miracle gro) and 4-3-8 (tomorite) can anyone explain to me what plants should be fed with what? Google just leads to 100s of random blog posts with contradictory info and people shilling their own feed.
>>2399388>drains every single time you watersounds like you dont have enough humus, unless you're drenching it each time.also it's like the 3rd year im gonna reuse mine, added some shit-tier composted "manure" last year which turned out to be just pelletized garbage and peat moss. did some research and got 80% composted cow manure this time and have some coffee grounds plus pelletized cow and chicken fertilizer.
>>2399412The 24-8-16 should be used in the early stages of growth, 4-3-8 in the later stages. 24-8-16 for root and shoot growth, 4-3-8 for fruit growth. Not sure of you mediums, but look into getting some trace mineral amendments, synthetics typically have great NPK ratios but shit ratios on everything else. Rock dust, kelp meals, liquid kelp something along those lines should be good.
yesterday i transplanted a woodee pot to the ground, when wet it is very easy to cut with a bic razor, did some holes and vertical slashes just in case
>>2399447Ok thanks a bunch
>>2399117Update update: 3 of the 5 are actually still alive. Gave them a nice soak and I'll jerryrig some sort of shade cloth later
>>2399470I don't do proper hardening off I just wait for a rainy overcast day and stick them somewhere shady before moving them somewhere sunnier a few days later. Usually works.
>>2399218mushrooms you say
>>2399260tempted to get a barn cat even though i have 2 indoor cats.
>>2399470Good idea, that should help a lot while they're getting adjusted. Got my sweet potato slips planted last night.
>>2399495And here they are happy under some shade cloth. This is a very shoddy set up at the moment but it'll do the job for today.
>>2399498And another fun garden find, one of my favorite fungi the stinkhorn, phallus rubicundus. It pops up like this weird fleshy penis in the early morning, flies come and eat the goo on the head and then by mid day it will have flopped over and shriveled up.
Kohlrabi harvest time
>>2399509Looking good. I love kohlrabi.
>>23994764 weeks of no rain in Texas and none forecasted my dude. I'm getting by with 2 deep waterings a week but it's gotta be like 100 gallons each time
>>2399509congratulations my plan was to make borsch soup this summer but squirrels dug all my kohlrabi and now i have double the beetroot i was planning on canning
YO! It's the green machine, gonna rock the town without bein seen.
couple bee pics I grabbed this morning
>>2399522Sounds like you need to make some squirrel beet stew.
>>2399037You don't know Texas then. Mexicans have been part of Texas culture as long as its existed. Californians are a malignant cancer.
>>2399535You disgust me. You people fought a war for independence from Mexicans and now it's just "they're part of our kultur". What was the point if the Alamo if you're just keen to make it part of Mexico again so you can have "le underdog hard working immigrant" and ten thousand bad Mexican food chains? I would go back to California if I could and curse this worthless state of Texas and all the people in it.
>>2399536It's good to see how Texans feel about Mexicans, Canadians feel about Americans.
Picked my first batch of blackberries this season, can’t wait to make some wine once I have enough. Probably gonna go get more blue raspberries tomorrow, and the red ones are finally fruiting. Won’t be ripe for some time, but they’re so pretty. Like little thorny rubies.
Anyone know if you take a plant that can't survive in your zone and then graft it to one that can, will it survive?
>>2399536Tejanos fought the Mexicans too. As far as I'm concerned any Mexican who wants to be a Texan is embodying the Texan spirit. Better than the malignant liberal plague of entitled soft body California tech workers. Only Mexicans I don't like are the ones who come here and wave Mexican flags around. But they're becoming fewer every year.
>>2399565Yes let your people be immigrated out of existence just because you spite Californians. Really either way you go you get the same result I suppose. Not that you're actually getting liberal californians so much as pathetic boomer conservatives.
>>239956010/10 both dog and berries. You wine making with all of it? Cobbler might be nice, luv cobbler.
>>2399536The white people fighting Mexicans were immigrants, many of them illegal immigrants to Mexican territory, stupid fuck
>>2399567Stupid softbody take. You don't just get "immigrated" out of existence. You have to embrace liberal ideology, stop valuing your heritage, stop having kids, stop talking to your neighbors and fostering your community. Basically everything a Californian does. I bet you don't even have sex. And here you are complaining about "the death of *your people*" like you aren't some mutt. Pathetic. Go back to California. Or stay in your ATX containment zone.
>>2399561Until the freeze kills it
>>2399591It's an issue with fancy roses. If you buy a tricky fancy rose with a grafted root, then it freezes down to the ground, what grows back is some shitty rootstock rose you didn't pay $$ for.
>>2399577With the blackberries, wine mostly. I’m gonna try to fill up a three gallon jug, which should be doable we have a TON of brambles in our yard. We also like to stew them with a bit of sugar and ladle em over fresh biscuits, make a tart, or ice cream.
I've pruned my squash and zucchini. I also tried hand pollinating the squash but the flowers were already closed. I opened a female up (after getting some pollen on my finger from a male flower) and the inside was very wet/slimy. Did I fuck something up by opening up a flower? Maybe it was already pollinated
>>2399579That's fine. The whites won. I don't claim mexicans are wrong for doing what they do. I say whites are wrong for letting it happen or even being for it in this case.>>2399582Birth rates can never change the fact that endless amounts of people come. It's not like Mexicans here even have impressive birth rates. All the increases come through immigration. Funny thing is the genetic quality of whites in Cali is way better than Texas. Competitive birth rates are not a solution. It will never work. All the incentive programs in history have never changed anything significantly. It's too much a problem of the stage a society is in. It doesn't work for Hungary, it didn't work in the Roman Empire. It didn't work for Hitler. Texans don't value heritage (as obviously evidenced by your love for burritos), all the pride in Texas is just window dressing and playing pretend. People here are no less artificial than anywhere else as these things go. You prefer foreigners to your own countrymen. Yes there are many trash Californians but not all. You know California once evicted thousands of Mexicans to make work for Oklahomans and others who had fallen on hard times during the depression? California too fought for independence from Mexico but you just scorn everything.
>>2399260tiny paws typed this
>>2399559>Canadians feel about Americanslmao, do you have to say that to avoid the little bitch Trudeau freezing your assets for honking?>>2399560very nice, ours will be ripe soon as well
What is happening to my Zucchini plant?The stem looks like it's been eaten away at. I had seen that something was wrong with it about a week ago but I decided not to do anything about it because usually when I try to fix things, they end up worse than they were in the beginning, and while it did seem to get a little better and the plant looks like it's thriving, the problem subsisted til today. I live in Europe and we don't have squash vine borers here but I have seen bugs that to me looked like squash bugs somewhere else in the neighborhood. For now, I just piled more soil over the exposed parts because the roots were showing.
>>2399610Don't worry about the snail, I killed it.
3rd planting of beans went in today. I needed more seeds and these ones were a different color. I'm pretty sure the boxes of green beans I used for the first 5 rows were yellow beans. I didn't want to plant yellow this year. They are a pain in the ass. Spindly little plants that lay on the ground so the slugs can nibble the beans. Plus the fragile plants break while you are picking beans. They produce a lot but green bean plants are easier to work with.
>>2399610desu it looks fine to me. Just looks like some corking/scaring
>>2399614your potatoes really exploded the past few weeks
>>2399610Sad to say that looks like squash vine borer.
Anyone here ever grown rice?
AAAAAH IT'S TOO FUCKING HOT AAAAHI've got a massive head so have ended up buying a hat even if it makes me look like a nonce. Doesn't suit me but I get many more friendly nods of approval from all the old men on the allotment so I think I've transcended fashion.
>>2399647what kind of hat
>>2399656It's a suede fedora looking thing with a rounded crown rather than concave. Keeps the sun off my pale Celtic skin.
>>2399647>I get many more friendly nods of approval from all the old mensame for me when I wear my felt hat + walking stick. Always reminds me of the song "Hänschen klein".
>>2399647Hats make a huge difference, good on you. It's 35 Celsius today so I've decided to not do any gardening till it cools off this evening and read up on plants with my feet in the pool.
>>2399647I am curious, do people in hot countries have shade cloths like this? Useful when you want plants to get less sun after transplanting or to protect against late frost etc. I use them for broccoli for pretty much the whole season because otherwise the cabbage flies get them
>>2399686I'm not in a hot country, I just complain about any weather because I'm British.
>>2399686I use them regularly as you do. They both protect early plants from frost and then from hot weather as well it just keeps things more even. The tomatoes and zucchini I have under cloth all the time are almost twice as big as the others despite them being the same sets of seedlings planted on the same day. Which reminds me that I really need to get around to getting more.
I have a question for you guys. So my family and I started gardening again with growing squash, tomatoes, zucchini, potatoes, various types of melons, okra and peppers. We are going to expand to beans and corn for staple foods and just buy flower in bulk directly from a local mill. We are also going to be getting chickens for eggs and meat.How much does this stuff save both in the short term and long(er) terms like per year? I hear that the first year is always a loss when it comes to this sort of thing, but I can imagine it ends up saving a ton of money when priced against what you would buy at say, walmart.
>>2399699That's to complicated to answer. But the quality will usually be better. At least during harvest season.
>>2399699You can go in heavily on scavenging things to compost to heavy a steady supply of compost and mulch, there's lots of ways to keep costs down but they usually aren't pretty and they take time and labor.I don't want to go on too much, but "cost effective" can be really hard to pin down. My basil has produced like $20 worth of store bought basil, but if I were growing food to feed my family, what good would that do? I'd rather have potatoes, which are only cost effective if you grow a shit ton and have a good basement right?So why do you garden? Is something you must reflect on
>>2399601Why are you spouting this bullshit here? Go back to /pol/ and go back to California, Texas doesn't need trash like you
>>2399702Oh yeah, most certainly. Last year we made a shit tons of jams, jellies, syrups, salsas and had a lot of fresh potatoes and other produce to enjoy. I enjoy it immensely, and to get the same freshness or quality as those we made from the store/farmers market is....quite expensive if not impossible.We ended up getting chickens and feeding them food scraps and bugs while not spending much on feed for them and the eggs actually come out to being cheaper than the free-range/organic stuff you get at the store.
>>2399495If it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid! Take that, Sun.
>>2399699>How much does this stuff save both in the short term and long(er) terms like per year?that depends on many things, e.g. how much are you currently spending on vegetables and eggs/chicken meat? How much you are planning to grow etc.I eat a lot of eggs, so for me chickens would be very valuable and one day I will be able to get some. I think once everything is set you can cut your grocery bill at least in half, probably even more. I mean, if farmers can do it as a 'business' then you'll surely be able to save some money by doing it. In the end you're also putting in the manual labor. If you do enjoy it and are not only doing it for saving money it will be 'worth' more to you. Just make sure that you also grow things that you actually want to eat. If I remember correctly Charles Dowding has 1/4 of an acre at homeacres and a profit (?) of around 20k pound sterling per year.
>>2399706For self improvement, to be less reliant on others, to gain more practical skills that I was never taught and to be healthier. Im also a big fat history nerd so I love doing old recipes for sweets and dinners from early American history. Its a good way to feel connected to the wider world and your ancestors in my opinion.
>>2399712>If I remember correctly Charles Dowding has 1/4 of an acre at homeacresi.e. 1/4 of an acre that he is farming on, his actual property is larger
>>2399706>My basil has produced like $20 worth of store bought basilAnd like this anon said, some things are stupidly expensive at the store. Fresh berries as well where I live. The problem is rather how you preserve all the food. I get more zucchinis from one plant than I'd buy in a whole year. Similar for my Hokkaido pumpkin.
>>2399627I learned how to and decided not to, did you have a rice question?
>>2399593Looks like my question was irrelevant cause fingerlimes grow in my zone
>>2399594Ugh I wanna make a berry pie so bad
>>2399699It can vary a lot how much you save and it depends on what you're growing and what you already eat. For me peronally I don't bother with potatoes or winter squash because they tend to be so cheap and I find the quality difference between a store potato and a home grown one isn't huge. For things like tomatoes though, home grown just blows away supermarket tomatoes and even if you get them from a farmer's market they'll be pricey. Also I grow a ton of berries because I love them. I probably could never afford to buy the amount we consume over a season because the price of good organic berries is so high. But for others, that's not as appealing necessarily.
1st time growing garlic, cured for about 3 weeks now. cracked into some last night for dinner and it was a PITA to peel and when crushed seemed a lot more juicier than store bought. will it get easier to peel over time and is my assumption that store bought garlic is aged well over a month at least before it hits the produce section thus making it easier to peel and seem less juicy?
>>2399711Well said. >>2399692As a case in point to this, here is a tomato and zucchini.
my neighbor has a bunch of gooseberries she said I can pick, what can I do with them?
>>2399733And by contrast tomatoes and zucchini from the same batch of starts but they've been under shade cloth the whole time
>>2399659sounds like a good lid, nice. I've been wearing this sort of suede trail hat thing for about a year, hats with a brim that goes all the way around are clutch for keeping flying insects (especially horse flies) from being too much of a nuisance.
>>2399734eat themyou can also make them into jellies or jamsor dry them (although I've never tried this)they would be good in a salsaprobably also add them to saladsfreeze themdry one or two of them to save the seedslots of things, really
>>2399732Fully peeling garlic is a waste of time. Put the individual clove on the cutting board, turn your chef knife so the flat part is on top of the clove, and smash it with your hand ( in a controlled manner, dont fucking cut yourself ) the paper comes right off the clove, proceed to mince it or whatever you want to doP.s. if you're doing ALOT of garlic look up the two bowl garlic method, it dpesn't even make sense how good it works
I got some wheat from a field near me, are the seeds good to plant immediately?
>>2399746Also cutting off the hard end bit before smashing it makes the skin come off even better
>>2399699If you grow what you eat, you save a lot of money. At least I do. Every year I put up enough pickle relish and pickles to last me an entire year, plus lots more. What I don't need I hold onto as gifts (people freak out over homemade pickle relish) and I trade with other people for things I don't grow (cucumbers for potatoes, things like that). Canned tomatoes aren't a major expense HOWEVER I grow enough to enjoy fresh (they taste much better than in the store) and I put up enough to last me several months, which saves a small amount on purchasing canned. I also make green tomato relish which isn't something I can generally find in a store. There's honestly no telling how much money I save growing my own fresh herbs. Fresh basil from the grocery store has always been beyond my price point. Now I can enjoy it almost any time of the year. (Nursing plants through cold weather doesn't always work for me.)I can grow things I cannot find in the store. Different varieties of peppers, cherry tomatoes, etc. And sometimes things just get scarce or too expensive for no good reason. I haven't been seeing okra in the grocery store unless it was, IMO, egregiously overpriced. This year I've been able to enjoy fresh okra while freezing several bags to use in soup or gumbo for the rest of next year.I started with a few raised beds and over the years added more, and cultivated the soil in patches of my yard to grow in the ground. I also heavily container garden (huge pots) that I keep on my porch. I'm sure if I did the math in today's prices to put it all out all at once I'd be out several thousand dollars. But if you piece away at it, grabbing good deals on items you'll need and having time on your side to compost, the expense is very manageable. Just start small and expand, and try not to panic shop. I'm seeing people all over buying huge metal raised beds and filling them with bags of soil and just that one bed has to cost them over $500.
>>2399750Are they GMO?
Any of you ever grow tobacco? I live in northeast Tennessee, so it’s not exactly outside its normal habitat range. Any suggestions on what sorts I should look into, preferably wild varieties if that’s much of an option.
There is a new grocery co-op starting up in my town that is looking for members. I've never been a part of one of these before, should I go to the lunch they are hosting this Saturday and check it out? What pitfalls should I be aware of?
where do you guys get bamboo from? i have my own bamboo grove but it seems like most people here have their own bamboo stakes and trellises- where from?
>>2398773I had a bunch of loose seeds in my seed container after my kids played with it. I threw all the seeds in a raised bed and ended up with 50ish basil plants, among other things. Any recommendations what to do with all this basil?
>>2399868I just get them at my local outdoor supply store.
>>2398783I wouldn't waste time with shade cloth. Water more often. Cucumbers require a lot of water. Your plants look fine though
>>2399871pesto, and/or sell plants for a buck or two each on facebook to soccermoms
>>2399871Make pesto and freeze it in smallish portions, like the short plastic chinese food takeout containers.
>>2399892meh, just shove it in ice-cube trays then pop into a ziplock bag. thraws and portions easier.
bee taking a snooze
>>2399861Go and if it is all hipsters go for the door
>>2399861id say check it out. If you know your shit you can lead, otherwise you can learn
Local nursery had tomato plants on sale for half off, they all looked almost dead. Got this one and planted it, gave it maybe a liter and a half worth of water... Was that too much, should I add more? Or does it look like it is still recovering? I'd like to try to save it, please help!
>>2399943tomatos dont mind wet feet so its pretty hard to over water.start pruning the bottoms leaves/shoots off so it can focus on roots
>>2399943amount doesnt matter and no one can tell you if it's enough or not because we dont know what your soil is like, but they dont get root rot easily as long as you dont CONSTANTLY let them sit in water.it looks fine tho.
>>2399947Cool thanks>>2399945I pruned all the brown leaves off, and some of the lower branches so I could plant it low in the pot. Should I prune off all the branches except the top two or three?
>>2399950I would do everything below your tie off. when starting off usually anything touching the ground or close to touching the ground
>>2399956I appreciate the help! I trimmed it more, and gave it a little more water as well
>>2399950I would take off that broken looking branch too. itll probably get some good height soon after pruning if its in good sun so have a stake ready and some ties
>>2399961How's this: >>2399959
>>2399792There was a nice thread on /diy/ for a while but it looks like the jannies killed it. Check victory seeds they have a large selection. I've been growing some random virginia variety for years saving the seed. As long as you can get it past the seedling stage (takes consistent watering because the seeds are so small) they take no effort to grow.>>2399861We have a grocery store coop here. It's like the regular grocery store, except way more expensive and full of fart sniffing types.
>>2399962i would snip that damaged looking one off as its a disease vector (right above the tie, looks like it snapped). if its not then just leave it for now.
>>2399965Ok, I'll go do that now. If this guy lives, I'll dedicate my harvest to you and the other anon who helped me
>>2399966no worries anon. for this beefsteak variety youll want to look into "single stemming" especially if youre in a cooler climate
>>2399734eat her /out/
>>2399970Single stemming is the plan. that's why I put the bamboo pole there and tied it off with paracord (all I had). I've never grown tomatoes before, so I'm excited. Just couldn't bear to see those plants suffering like that at the nursery
Freckled lettuce began rotting in inner layers, why is that? After spinach bolts, should I just pull it up and plant more once weather cools?Aside from beans, cucumbers, carrots, tomatoes, onions and peppers, what else should I be growing in Northern Indiana?
>>2398729Was given some magic mushrooms. How does one take these? I was recommended 3g but I don't know if my scales are tripping but it doesn't seem to register when I drop them on it. But when I put something else on it them drop one of the mushrooms (cap is around 2cm wide and stem included around 4 long) it adds 2g to the weight.Does that seem about right just 1 small mushroom of that size being 2g? And is it a matter of just chewing and swallowing it? They said to do something like lemon juice and honey.
>>2399197>>2399195How to make mulch?
>>2399509Could you describe the taste?
>>2400170Just lay it on the ground
>>2398729someone got some nice info-pdf's for me ?
>>2400176The pastebin in the OP does have links to a lot of resources, including PDFs.Also, a good resource for ebooks is z-library, currently at 1lib(dot)sk. A lot of books available there, usually in epub or pdf format. I use calibre to read the .epub files when i am on my computer.
So /hgm/ I'm here with an update and looking for advice.Sometime ago in march I think it was. I posted on here that I had snuck a few potatoes into my wife's garden borders.Now most of you laughed at me or called me a retard and said she was going to notice and be upset. Well today she came to me and asked if I knew what a couple of plants in the garden are. Dutifully I went outside to look and she points out these big glossy green plants with a bunch of little purple flowers on top.Obviously I told her I have no idea what it was but she likes it and wants some more to grow next year.Can anyone advise what to do in this situation without admitting what I did?
>>2400213You let your wife dominate you like that? And now you have to behave like a dog after a moist log of shit has been found on the living room carpet. You could not just say that you want to plant a few potatoes for fun? I guess if you have space in your yard you could have made your own garden though.WEIRD
>>2400223We subdivide the garden. Half as a cottage garden type thing which is hers and my half which is an allotment.
>>2400213You don't harvest potatoes until after the plant dies. So get surprised when you find potatoes when you pull it out.
>>2400227This is probably the way to play it. I'll just blame the compost and hope she doesn't notice it's the same variety as I'm growing elsewhere.
>>2399601Always kill a traitor before an enemy Jimbo.The Mexicans will have their time, but first California needs to get under control
>>2400213Why did you lie to her and sneak them in there in the first place? If your plan is to lie your way out of the situation then good luck with that but you're sowing distrust in your marriage literally for potatoes which seems so silly. Especially when you have a vegetable allotment anyways. My advice as someone who's been married for quite some time, swallow your pride, tell her you stuck some potatoes not thinking they'd do anything and then you were embarrassed to say the truth when she asked. >>2400223Lying to the person you claim to have committed your life to when they ask if you did something sneaky isn't letting them dominate you.
>>2400213Tell her what you did? How is this not obvious? Does she really have a stick shoved so far up her ass that she would care? If she had you scared like this bro it is not a good sign for your relationship.
>>2400265>>2400271I'm worried she'll be pissed. I assumed she'd notice when they sprouted and we could laugh about it.Problem is now when they die down (which will be soon as they've flowered) there's going to be a big hole in the border. This is why I'm considering not owning up to it.Though logically I could just buy her a couple of plants to infill with and apologise
>>2400273Of course she'll be pissed but the chances of her never noticing are slim and the chance of her being far more pissed when she figures out you snuck potatoes into the flower bed then lied about it. I would go with fess up and offer to put something else there, but that's just me.
>>2400213Put on a balclava, sneak into the garden at night and dig up the potatoes then run way with them.
Going to raise some sorrel seedlings in the greenhouse.bitches love sorrel
This little excerpt is from a house plants book from 1963. Why do bug men make me rage so hard? Even in 1963 the academic elite were pushing the pod narrative. One sentence says “the world is your garden” and literally the next sentence says, but you’ll have to confine this garden inside your little apartment. This was like 20 years removed from fucking victory gardens. Twenty years after the government trained citizens self sufficiency people were pushing the bug man narrative.Don’t get me wrong, I’m a strong proponent of house plants, but this language that we don’t need to grow plants outside and don’t need to grow some of our own food pisses me off
>>2400310>The only options are growing acres of stuff and having individual plants in pots.>Don't grow to supplement your diet>Just consoom
>>2400273That’s like the easiest fix ever. Make her a fancy potato dish while you’re at it
Why won't my bell peppers grow more than an inch when starting from seed in a cup
>>2400277>>2400323Just back from the garden centre. Bought that bitch a lavender, some purple salvia and a lilac.Going to come clean. Pray for me /hgm/
>>2400324What soil are you using? Have you tried fertilizing? How often are you watering? What is the temperature/sunlight situation?
>>2400325All this over some 5$ a bag potatoesYou're a potato
>>240032510 bucks says she doesn’t gaf
>>2400330>>240032835 quid on plants for a yield of 2 potato plants.Maybe I am a spastic after all.
>>2400325Well? What did she say
>>2400333She's still at work. Will update in a few hours
>>2400277Yeah i don't get the relationship dynamic at play here. Why not just ask? Or say afterwards that he planted a few. Letting the Potatogate scandal get this far is just weird.
>>2400335It’s like an episode of that seventies show where Kelso planted potatoes in Jackie’s garden
How should I plant my beats?Direct in garden? Or start in seedling trays or what?
>>2400166Chew and swallow fast. They don't usually taste good. If you do go ahead with it and take some and it's not working don't take more. Wait for another day to try again. You don't want to be surprised when the first try finally kicks in and you know more is coming.
>>2400342Either works. Direct sowing is lowest maintenance and you can succession sow every couple of weeks. Currently I’m experimenting with the method in this video where you start clusters in cells and then transplant the clusters https://youtu.be/qPVHCh1cDMw
Fucking kek. The ridiculous diy houseplants of 60s housewives are insane
>>2400345Knew that would be daddy Charles without clicking the link
>>2400350Charles is in charge of the garden
Should I be trimming the top of my lettuce plants (back in the corner behind the sunflowers)? The top leaves are really dark green and starting to flower, the lower leaves look more like romaine lettuce. Its not a romaine plant because its growing individual leaves instead of a 'head' of lettuce.
>>2400251California does not set national policy. It's Reagan's fault the state went the way it did anyway.
>>2400360Only redditors and other retards care about two party politics. You have to go back.
>>2400308That IS infuriating. I want to agree with this passage, but at the same time strongly disagree with it. I think house plants are highly underrated. There's just something about them. I think part of it is if you're keeping house plants, you're probably going to be letting in more natural light, which does help with mental health. Typically plants need space, so you're going to keep that spot with that plant free from piles of clutter and other bullshit. Having to remember to keep your houseplants watered also rolls into the "keeping your house in order" mentality, so my assumption is people are going to be less likely to live in squalor if they have houseplants. And none of that has anything to do with growing things outside, particularly FOOD, and I ardently disagree with the writer's opinions on that.
>>2400224You need to learn to be a man and control your wife
>>2400379I don't care either, hence why I'm totally willing to blame Reagan. To me they are one party.
>>2400393Blaming one person for the sins of a group of people is playing two party politics
>>2400380He says the urge to grow plants is a “residual, perhaps inherited” urge. As if we don’t still rely on plants to survive. He acts surprised that enlightened bug men like himself still like plants even though he doesn’t, god forbid, have to grow his own food like those peasant farmers in the Midwest. As if he should have evolved beyond growing plants.
>>2400393>>2400395To elaborate, Reagan is a scape goat, every head of state is a scape goat, to rally the opposing party to vote. The two party system thrives because there is a cycle of opposing scapegoats who guarantee the sheeple from either side will take turns rallying and voting to perpetuate the two party system. Reagan isn’t the problem, Obama isn’t the problem, the problem is the system and the people who work to perpetuate it.
>>2400402>the problem is the systemNaturally. The system has been bunk since Lincoln.
>>2400405Since before Lincoln. Think Adams, the second president, already raping the loopholes in the constitution with his midnight judge appointments
How do i exterminate stinkbugs? Other years they would come in late august but this year they are ruining my tomatoes before i'm even collecting themI hate them with all my being
>>2400166I'd go with less than 3g. I did an 1/8 (about 3.5g) my first time and it was too much. Maybe just try 2 first and get used to the sensations
>>2400213Anon, don't act like an 8 year old trying to hide something you did from your mother. Christ.
>>2400337no it's not, it's nothing like that episode.
>>2400308>harvardSounds about right. 1960's is when that country started really getting fucked. Just look at the other stanzas of This Land is Your Land that get scrubbed from whenever it's performed anymore.
I think deers are eating my corn, how do i keep them away? Besides a fence
>>2400416uh oh stinky
>>2400489A high or electric fence is really the only option sadly. Even if you shoot them, it's free meat but more will come.
>>2400535Joke's on them, i only poison specific fruits on a tree i know not to eat
>>2400334For anyone wondering. My wife wasn't too annoyed, she just gave me this "are you a retard?" look when I told her they were potatoes I hid there.We're leaving them in till they're ready for harvest and will infill with the salvia.
>>2400489You're shit out of luck. Deer love grass and corn seems to be their favourite.
>>2400550I’m here to collect my 10 bucks because she didn’t gaf
I had leftover straw from my Halloween display last year, so I put it on my garden hoping to stop the weeds. I didn't put enough and now my entire garden is straw with weeds and grass growing through it.What should I do? Just till the straw in or maybe try to rake it to the side, till, and put it back? I'm annoyed.
My strawberries are giving me the thumbs up
>>2400550Glad to hear it. See, fretting about it was a waste of time and energy
I purposely left my peppers to dry out in hopes the fruit would ripen faster, and it actually worked. But I fucked up and I think this is the longest it's been since the last watering and in 104 degree weather. Here's hoping it perks up in a hour.
>>2400550And thus, the Tatergate scandal has reached its conclusion. Next time be an adult. Your wife/mom deserves it
>>2400558I did that with my strawberries this year and now I have 16 strawberry plants amongst a ton of grass and a few weeds.
>>2400579It's back to normal. Are birds attracted to orange habanero? despite the birds cleaning up my slug problem I don't wanna share.
>>2400550>. My wife wasn't too annoyed, she just gave me this "are you a retard?" look when I told her they were potatoes I hid there.That was exactly what I expected and hoped her reaction would be. Far far better she sees you as a tard that made a mistake and then came clean then eventually realizing you lied to her over something stupid. Good move anon.
>>2400558Weed it or add more to smother it.
>>2400642What do you mean? the eat the fruit once and just leave it alone?
>>2400652It's too spicy for them
>>2400652they would eat it once and then find out it's really spicy and wouldn't eat it again
>>2400657>>2400661birds aren't effected by capsaicin. only mammals
>>2400436How big is a 2g mushroom. I'm not sure how accurate my scales are. Is it just a single one
>>2400114For spinach I cut mine down to the ground because I dont want it to seed. Best to leave it in as long as possible until youre ready plant to avoid having bare soil
>>2400796Might as well just try one and see what happens. Then try two, then three on other days
>>2400809Lol if you do it by yourself, do you end up talking to yourself or making a bunch of noise?I live with my parents and don't want them knowing. Is it a good idea to text ppl while I'm on it or even use the computer/phone? If anything I kind of wanted to have a notepad with me and maybe write random stuff down
How many tomatoes to ear in one day is healthy?I only want to eat tomatoes and lose wait
>>2400359depends, do you want to save seed? do you want to eat the bitter bolted lettuce? I would probably cut it down and use it as mulch to feed the other plants
>>2399488Yeah, most of your gourmet mushrooms like their cellulose and lignin, any dried plant matter will work
>>2400416Natty ways:chickens could help.manually picking them off or rinsing them off with a hose.diamataceous earth i believe could help.
>>2400826Yeah no desire to harvest seeds; would rather just buy another packet next year for $0.60. No, i don't like bitter lettuce. So just trim it down and get rid of the lower wilted leaves?
>>2400825i dont think you can OD on tomatoes unless youre eating the leaves
>>2400824Just go for a walk in nature. One isn't going to be very powerful, and you'll get to see how you react on it. You'll be fine, stay calm, draw a smilie face on the back of your hand to remind you - it really does make a difference. Bring a friend to hang out with you if you can
>>2400833Cut it all the way down to the ground and leave the cuttings there or pull it out and lay across the soil. Both will act as a mulch and slow fertilizer
>>2400836Was planning on doing it at night in my bedroom lolDon't have friends unfortunately
>>2400838Why would I cut it all the way down? There appears to be good leaves lower down.
>>2400835I'm going to start eating the shit out of them and no meatsHas anyone tried?
>>2400843theyll be bitter because its a bolted plant
>>2400842>Draw a smiley face on your hand>Have water nearby>Have tunes you like, or light tv shows you like>Write down what time you are taking it, and write down next to it that it will be over [3 hours after the time you take it]Chill and enjoy, no worries. If you get too anxious, put on the tv show. You will only be able to watch 9 episodes before it is over. But you will be fine, it's going to be fun. One mushroom is going to be very light
First of the cute little potato flowers starting to open.
Sometimes when I’m gardening I think about wide fertile hips and large buttocks
>>2400865What will you do with the tater berries?
How do plant beats?What can I expect?
>>2400971Stick seed in ground, get not so good tasting purple root. Don't do it when hot. Easy. Beets are easy to grow so long as the season isn't too hot.
>>2400981Well it's fucking hot so I guess it won't work..?How about radish?
>>2400984I don't think many root crops like heat
>>2400991Maybe I'll wait until it cools down in couple months
What is good to plant right now..I Know time is almost upIt hot af
>>2401006Plant some pak choi anon. Mine's doing alright and it's kinda warm here in the UK. I don't even know if this is good advice, I just like the name.
>>2401025>pak choiWtf is that? Like lettuce or something
>>2400954Yeah we all doCan we have a new thread plz? And can it have a picture of rain at the top
>>2401038It's an asian green, great if you like CHOIces with you meals.
>>2400848Lol I just ate one. (About 4cm long, cap is 2cm wide)How long can I expect before anything happens or is this too small of a piece and most likely mostly water weight
>>2401102about an hour
>>2401103What should I do in the meantime? Just read a book like I normally do at this time (night)?Listen to music.Should I hang out here the whole time or should I avoid devices/computers
>>2401103Also whats the likelihood of it being a dud and jsut a regular mushroom? I got it off a coworker who is into this stuff and randomly picks them around the place don't think she grows them or anything.But she seems knowledgeable about mushroom types and the likes. But the thing just tasted like a normal cooking mushroom but everyone talks about them being supposedly gross to eat
We really need new op images
>>2401106>>2401109get away from electronics, they tend to go haywire. put on some music, or watch some kind of cartoon or something like that. If you don't feel anything after an hour or two then probably it was the wrong kind of mushroom but if your coworker knows their stuff they probably hooked you up. dried mushrooms are kind of gross, not like they taste bad they just taste like cardboard.
>>2400963Its been pretty rare for them to develop on the potatoes I've planted. I only remember seeing them once.
>>2401178Well I ate one, then ate another an hour later. Nothing seemed to be happening then about another hour and a half later I decided to put on music and I felt like my bedsheets were moving, like breathing in and out with the music and just the creases moving and shape shifting. But it's like an hour since and nothing and seemed to last for 30 mins. I don't know if it was real or me just trying to convince myself they were working lol. I mean it was onto 2 small pieces spaced an hour apart.Should I keep eating more (I have around 5 pieces left) or just save with for tomorrow night? And eat the same amount I had just before in one bite or even more?Will it still have an effect if I eat it tomorrow? I hear dppl tend to space them out
>>2401006purple hull peas
>>2401242Let's all talk in the new thread, friend: >>2401288
>>2400166Wtf does this have to do with HGM? Kill yourself degenerate
>>2400308You will live in ze pod and you will only grow ze plants in ze pod, not in ze ground