No, because West Virginia is forever a ten in my heart.
>>2397986No. Oklahoma has plenty of /out/land.Ouachita Mountains, Ozark Mountains, Wichita Mountains, Black Mesa, some big ass reservoirs and lakes and lots of good river.
>>2398001It kind of looks like California and North Carolina had a baby. Do you anything about the plateaus near the Ozarks? They tickle my fancy as a plateau-lover. Boston Mountains I think is the name?
Yes. My state is low so I hope others stay the fuck /out/.
Is the midwest that bad?
>>2398002It looks a lot like parts of Northern California and it looks a lot like parts of Appalachia. The Boston Mountains are mostly in Arkansas.Overall, it's as pretty as any part of the country.The weather is pretty brutal though. Heat index last weekend was 102F at our campsite on the river.I've seen it hit -10F during hunting season.In that way, it is nothing like Northern California.
>>2398011I just want to hike in dissected plateaus. I don't care what "state" I'm officially in so much and, with much apologies, my midwestern geography is a bit rusty and I've never visited before. I think the beauty of central appalachia is some parts the elevation is above 2500 ft or so and that makes it cooler even in summer. I mean most people don't live that high up but it's nice to visit on a hot summer day. I guess I'd wanna come in early spring to see everything green up or maybe in november - a warm late fall hike sounds top comfy Is your view from a plateau? Looks like it but I'm not sure.
Everybody assumes Northern Virginia and Virginia Beach represent the whole state. Southwest and Sotuh-Central Virginia are great rural /out/ and/or /k/ spots. Fuck NOVA
>>2398032I got lost driving in far SW VA once. The road turned into an atv trail and we had to go all the way around to get to the meadow I was trying to reach then I couldn't find any trail and I forgot to download the topo map layer. It was chaos but I will try to be back. Far SW VA is definitely the prettiest part. We went to high knob tower trying to get to glady fork meadow and then upper stony creek falls
what's the criteria?how the fuck does a state get 0?
>>2398038If youre ever in Central VA make sure to hit places like Sharp Top and Devils Marble Yard, got some really great hiking trails.
>>2397986You may disagree with it, but the more /out/ experience you get, the more you will come to realize that map is 100% correct.
>>2398042>look up sharp top>10 dollars for a shuttle>THEN you have to go 1500 ft vertically up to the topwat?I like finding things in the allegheny plateau part of Virginia. That's my focus - plateaus of the east. >>2398041where tourists pay the most money to visit and hike or do outdoor stuff
Wisconsin deserves more than a 5. 6.5, imo. But I've always loved wetlands of all kinds, and the great lakes are, well, great. The Kettle-Moraine units got me into """mountain""" biking, and Lake Winnebago is great for ice fishing. The national forest in the North is also cool.I also have lots of fond childhood memories at the Dells, and at Buffalo Lake near Montello
>>2398010No, it's pretty comfy in many respects. It just looks bad compared to the majesty of the West's geographic fratures. There's plenty to enjoy in the Midwest unless you have an insatiable desire for mountains; except for maybe in Illinois, but even then there's a few scattered preservations that are neat to look at.
>ITT: "place i grew up in is the best and deserves a 10">n-n-no, i've never gone to c-california, or oregon, or w-washington, w-why do you ask?Appalachianlet cope is too funny
>>2397986chikacabra told me to come here
>>2398049so more people being annoying as fuck showing up to use your state's land makes the score go up?that's fucking retardedmy state is 10/10 because nobody fucking lives here so you can actually go out and use the parks without needing reservations from poojeet and bugman tourists shitting up the place
>>2398057Says the droughtnigger
>>2398095>i keep reading about southern californians running out of water on /pol/ therefore my hick flandlander flyover state is a better place for going outdoorsCope, rope, and hope hader
>>2398103Your state is 100% fucked iver the next few decades. I pity thee.
>>2397986A 3.5 for New York? You can do every /out/ activity imaginable in this state. You're retarded.
>>2398122Just because you can do it doesn't mean you can do it well. Big difference.
>>2398130You can't do boating well in NY? You can't do fishing well in NY?You can't do hunting well in NY?You can't do camping well in NY?You can't do hiking well in NY?You can't do cycling well in NY?You can't do surfing well in NY?You can't do skiing well in NY?You can't do climbing well in NY?You can't do urbex well in NY?and so on.....NY holds its own in every activity even if it's not the very best at everything. How many other states can say the same?
>>2398146The problem is the population density nearby is so high that the major attractions are going to be as crowded as possible - due to the proximity of the highly urbanized NY-Boston corridor. Manhattan smells distinctively of cat urine.
>>2398157>quantity matters more than quality>most locals live in tiny one million dollar homes or apartments>BUT THERES SO MUCH LANDif land if public lands it's because (generally speaking) private landowners didn't want it and rejected it
>>2398103>hick flatland flyover stateDid someone from the Midwest fuck your girlfriend? Anyway, this is why people hate you.
>>2398146*ahem*>You can't do glacier traverse or high altitude in NY?
>>2398154Major attractions =/= the entirety of a state's /out/ offerings. The Southern Tier is littered with state forests where you can camp for free without seeing anybody.
>>2398168quantity mattersquality does notgot it!
>>2398170>where you can camp for freeyeah cuz there's no toilet or shower
>>2398174>quality mattersYou're exactly right. Tell me more about your "4000'ers", please
>>2398168You can do extreme winter mountaineering (yes, I said mountaineering) in the Adirondacks even if there are no glaciated peaks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxuDDYrJZ0U
>>2398180>you can practice crevasse traverse without crevassesCope harder
>>2398182Yet NY still places comfortably in the upper-half of the country when it comes to mountaineering. What about the sailing in Colorado, the surfing in Montana, or the fishing in Arizona?
>>2398178Do you have a vagina or something?
>>2398180>posting some millenials vlog instead of based ice climbing korean grandpa's videoshttps://youtube.com/watch?v=Y8S3rSg5ByU
>>2398187>New York>surfing Find a different flex
>>2398187>What about the sailing in Colorado, the surfing in Montana, or the fishing in Arizona?From what i hear, it's pretty nice
>>2398191So post the states that have better surfing than NY/LI? There aren't even ten of them.
>>2398192Cute lake you got there. That wouldn't even make the top 100 in NY.
>>2398011How bad are the ticks in the Boston Mountains? I've heard the Ozarks has a crazy amount of ticks.
I like Kansas and Nebraska. When you live in flat land and walk up a 50ft hill, you can see for 30 miles in every direction and still be the only person around. The solitude is great. I'm perfectly fine with people calling them a 0 though. It means the selfie seekers will fuck off.
>>2398188poopybuttyour butt is POOPY and you smell because you don't shower when you hike!
>>2398209I'm capable of wiping my ass. Whatever little residue is left will be taken care of when I get home.
>>2398212>Whatever little residue*grinds between your cheeks and mixes with sweat as you hike*poopybutt- your butt is poopy - you need to shower *sweat and dead skin cells macerate for days without interruption due to NO WASHING*yum!
>>2397986>Pennsylvania>2Come on. We're at least a 4 or 5. Also how is Michigan worse than Wis?
>>2398216Fuck of DC deciduous homo
>>2398216What does this have to do with /out/?
>>2398146>You can't do cycling well in NY?>You can't do surfing well in NY?>You can't do skiing well in NY?>You can't do climbing well in NY?>You can't do urbex well in NY?Correct.
>>2398238>You can't do cycling well in NY?Try the 350-mile Erie Canalway Trail that goes across the entire state>You can't do surfing well in NY?Try Montauk, the Rockaways, Gilgo Beach, and tons of other locations on Long Island where many world-famous surfers cut their teeth>You can't do skiing well in NY?Try Whiteface Mountain in the Adirondacks which has the highest vertical drop in the East and hosted multiple Winter Olympics>You can't do climbing well in NY?Try the Gunks which was named one of the top places for adventure by National Geographic>You can't do urbex well in NY?Try NYC which is consistently ranked as one of the top urbex cities in the worldNY has everything for everyone. You're probably some jealous loser from some shit-tier state like Iowa who never even goes outside.
>>2397986No... map was clearly made by someone from California
>>2398238I want you to come tell the hundreds of cyclists who shit up my area of NY to GTFO then, PLEASE.
>>2398268Based and Yankeepilled
>>2398122NY is definitely a 6 or 7
>>2398317You're kind of a Dilbert tbdesu
>>2398029Could you post a picture of what you mean by "dissected plateaus?"
>>2398197Moderate. I've taken a lot of deer in those mountains and it's pretty rare to find one covered in ticks.Personally, I've only ever found a few on myself.But I must have the good blood type. Ticks, mosquitos, horseflies, they always fuck with the person to my left or right. I always seem to not have much of an issue.
>>2398049What? I'm not sure if there is a shuttle, probably is, but there's also a trail independent that goes to the top, just hiking. Really a beautiful trail. They probably only advertise the shuttle. The walking trail doesn't cost a dime.
>>2397986Ohio should be a 2.5
>>2398238You realize NY is not just the city right?
>>2398521Same as Kalifornia, but people here still get upset>>2398287>>2398157>>2398095>>2398167
>>2397986>VT is a 4Damn are we really that yuppie?
>>2398540Horrible state for /out/
>>2398010Actual answer: yes.
>>2397986No, this was clearly made by rootless coastal cosmopolitans.
>>2398055Northern and central Illinois is a shit. But So. ILL. can be amazing. Appropriately called the Heartland.
Why do you guys care so much what your state gets?
>>2398192Fishing in AZ is great. As long as you live in the part of the state with lakes. You are shit out of luck if you live in Tucson, etc. But I think that is God’s intention. Fuck em.
>>2397986Nah, Tennessee isn't in the high tier but it's got the smoky mountain national park, lots of caves (to the point you can just buy homes with cave system entrances in their yards in east TN), and some decent river systems. I'd put it in the 4-6 range depending on your generosity.
>>2398671I am VERY curious about eastern TN outside of GSMNP (tourist trap) - up on the plateau especially. I did a cave in TN years ago and huffed and puffed my way through it.
Michigan is a solid 6, just like all of the "pretty" women you'll find in Michigan
Texas should be at least a 6Whole map is stupid though
>>2399330Texas is mid desu.
>>2397986VT>NH for /out/ivities.
>>2399342Idk man for me it blows the whole east coast out of the water.
>>2398001>Ouachita Mountains, Ozark Mountains, Wichita Mountains>posts pic of flat groundwhat did anon mean by this?
>>2397986This better be a meme cause I’m about to lose 3 points in a move.
>>2397986>TN as a 2Kill yourself now
>>2400070barren desert shithole
>>2400070what a horrible post
>>2397986>Alaska not even a 9>Wyoming that low>Texas that low>Florida, home of the fucking everglades, a FOUR>Hawaii a sixTry harder next time.
>>2400997Wyoming deserves lower, most of the state is a desolate shithole. Only the NW corner/Sheridan is good. Both Hawaii and Alaska deserve higher.
>>2401013I live in Hawaii, and maybe I'm just on the gayest island (Oahu) but I think a 6 is pretty generous if we are giving any weight at all to crowding.
>>2397986These seem completely arbitrary and I imagine the people making these rankings have never been to most of the states they score.
>>2401029For example, what makes the Midwest all 0? Because they are flat plains? Then why the hell is Florida a 4? How the fuck could anyone say Mass. is better than Texas? None of it makes any sense.
>>2397986>iowa = 0not going to take the time to educate you on why you are a faggot but. you know what, nevermind
>>2401033People think it’s a troll, but it’s not. The map is just based on a single criteria, though I’m not sure what it is (probably hiking). Florida is flat, but the 1,000+ mile Florida Trail goes through one of the most unique ecosystems in the country. Texas is mostly devoid of public land, but Big Bend is pretty amazing. If you included other outdoor activities, Louisiana would be much higher. Kayaking in the creeks and bayous is something people just don’t know about, and the hunting and fishing earned the state it’s nickname of “sportsman’s paradise.” There’s the gulf, inland brackish bayous, and various rivers that make fishing not only easily accessible but extremely varied. And the white tail deer population density is insane. Ducks fly here for the “winter,” when low temps are barely below freezing (if that low at all).
>Florida a 4Maybe if you’re a landfag who can’t into fishing/diving etc
>>2397986>MI 4>CA 8fucking lollmao even
>>2397993Based and Appalachiapilled
>>2401094If you have to rely heavily on the coast to make your state good for /out/ then you've failed desu.
>>2401076>not counting kayakingThe absolute state
>>2400788>>2400832sorry if you're too pussy for the desert budstay in your easy mode containment zone
>>2401076The criteria it's based on is that the author is a moron from California
>>2401118Not when Florida is a giant peninsula and chain of islands with pristine coastlines and world class fishing/diving
I would say Rhode Island is better than 1 if you like the ocean. There is some hiking but nothing great compared to northern New England.
>>2401033The Midwest isn't all a zero. You're confusing plains states with the Midwest. Wisconsin and Michigan both score well for Midwest states. Although Michigan should be higher imo because the lakes are snice and the UP is God's country.Even if a place is a "0," that doesn't mean it can't be beautiful. There's profound beauty in vast, vast plains as far as your eyes can see. But the map isn't about beauty, it's about the quality of /out/ivities in the state.>>2401263California is the best state in the continental US for /out/. Anything else is coping. If you haven't driven the length of the California coast in your life, please do it. It's one of the best roadtrips in the world.>>2401018My brother lives on Kauai so maybe I'm a little biased kek. But it really seems like an island paradise as soon as you get off of Oahu.
>>2401261nah i regularly spend lots of time in th desert. that doesn't change anything about the quality of your post. you also posted relative easy mode among deserts.
>>2401375>Even if a place is a "0," that doesn't mean it can't be beautiful. There's profound beauty in vast, vast plains as far as your eyes can see. can confirm. driving at sunset around particularly flat parts of plains states or texas can be breathtaking. Wouldn't be doing much out around there, though.
>>2398057Yeah WA is top notch it should be higher.
>>2397986Utah is full of authoritarian Mormons that require you to sign affidavits that you won’t / haven’t sinned on their land. This includes everything from not drinking alcohol to objectively insane shit like not having “impure” thoughts. And those fuckers actually enforce the shit. My buddy got fined heavily at Zion after the park ranger spotted him checking out a girl wearing a sports bra. They threatened to take him to court for perjury. Luckily his dad is a lawyer and got him a plea deal, but he’d be in a world of hurt otherwise.If it weren’t for that bullshit 8 would be a good number.
>>2401507>hurrdurr the post
>>2401507This didn’t happen.
>>2401013>Only the NW corner/Sheridan is goodSays who?
>>2397986>desert/arid shitholes are higher than green cool placesRetarded map
>>2401390If you can’t appreciate a good sky island then idk what to tell you. Find god
>>2401375Oh so the map is about the quality of the activities? So why don’t you incorporate the wildfires, trail fees, restrictions, price of gas, and taxes into your measurement? Your opinion is arbitrary and clearly just based on growing up in California. I don’t even give a shit if you think your corny ass state is top tier, the issue is you’re just ignorant of the way people in other places enjoy the outdoors. Not everyones idea of outdoors activity is the same as a fag techie hiker who takes their Tesla to hikes in Marin county they found on AllTrails.
>>2401550Not only did it not happen, but he doesn't understand how National Parks work. I would be embarrassed to state something like that on /out/.
>>2397986washington should have a higher score. sure a lot of the cool spots are over-crowded but its the only state with every kind of biome on earth in its borders.
>>2397986accurate. eastcoastlets and lawn states cope and seethe.
>>2401621nobody said anything negative about sky islands
>>2398010No just not extraordinary. The glaciers really flattened our shit out but the lakes and rivers are nice
>South Dakota gets a 4Have you never heard of the badlands, dipshit?Also >Illinois gets a 1Prairies are beautiful. I've never been to a state where I've been bored. Every state is gorgeous once you get away from the city and the shartburbs
>>2397986>Nevada is a 6 when West Virginia is a 3Made by someone who hasn’t been to either of these states.
>>2401844But how would you personally know?
>>2401847I worked in state/national parks in Nevada and I lived in WV. I assume this chart was made by a Californian who hasn’t ever been to the east coast aside from TN
>>2401847>>2401851I misread TN actually, thought it was higher. 2 is just a hilariously low score for that state. The hike through Roan Mountain alone should elevate it beyond a 2
>>2401853>CA NV TN WVAnon you're just naming random states. Do you have an actual argument or?
>>2401856I guess? I’m saying that the east coast states, especially those in the Appalachias, are criminally underrated. Nevada is nice, and it has some cool parks, but it’s certainly not three times better than Tennessee or West Virginia. The middle of the state is a fucking pit. If I had to be randomly placed in a state, I’d take my chances with West Virginia over Nevada
>>2401375The plains states have killer deer, duck, pheasant, and sandhill crane hunting. Plus great rabbit hunting. Really a good place to live especially because it's a one day road trip to the rockies and the ozarks so you can enjoy the decidious hills of the east and the actual mountains of the west very easily and land is extremely cheap. The upper 'midwest' has fun lakes and woods but it also has some of the same problems that the east east does, namely overpopulation and congestion and shitty cities dictating law.
>>2401255If you included kayaking idaho goes way up. They have the most rivers of any state and flatwater kayaking is gayboy shit.
>>2401897Definitely some of the best whitewater in the country
>>2402024u ever uh been to west virginiahttps://youtu.be/3FUy97V1S6Q
>>2402026Show me something like this in West Vagina https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vJsWgcV3WrQ
>>2402042If you mean wider rivers at high water, cheat, new river, gauley, in wv are pretty wide and commonly run, the big sandy and the tygart used to be run commercially and maybe still are by local kayakers, um right nearby the upper yough and top of the yough have lots of class 5 rapids. There's fucking tons of whitewater all over WV and in adjacent appalachia.
>>2402042SHE SAID MY DICK IS SMARRRRUUUL
>>2402162>all of WV is on a mountain range Based retard
>>2402162there's river-filled canyons with average grades ranging from 20-45% in some places. There's smaller creeks way up that can be run only at really high water - often in the winter - but also plenty of bigger water lower down when it rains a lot. quality>quantity
3 miles from my house today, guess my state
>>2402259>that filename>"today"Really makes ya think.
>>2397986IL, IN, NJ, NM, NV, PA, TN, VT, and WY should be half a point higher ME, NH, and MI should be a point higherWV should be one and a half higherND should be half a point lowerWI should be a point lower
>>2401507Pretty sure this is bait but this is the dumbest shit I've ever heard.Why would they enforce your friend's impure thoughts but still allow a woman to wear a sports bra if they were that authoritarian? And the fact that you said it happened on NPS land, when the NPS frequently posts/celebrates woke shit makes it extra retarded.
>>2402159I think you meant to say this to this guy >>2402026He's the one who couldn't hear something positive about another state without starting a dick measuring contest.
>>2398225As a Pennsylvanian I agree. I think people just dont like our section of the AT because its the hardest.
>>2398010Depends what you're looking for. I love trees so I think it's gorgeous
>>2402301>PA >HardestMaine and New Hampshire would like a word with you.
>>2397986No way to tell if it's accurate, because there's no indication of what the numerical or color values actually mean.
Don't you be trespassing around here.We'll shoot you.
I grew up in the suburbs surrounding Chicago and I can't wait to move my city-parasite ass to one of your small Western communities permanently to start a family of my own and watch you fuckers seethe about it
>>2403208You won't, but I will enjoy watching you angrily post about it on /out/.
>>2398146lol east coast "skiing"im a big fan of the appalachians but there is no good skiing east of denver
>>2397986>MA, PA, MI, OH and IL being that lowOh FUCK the Californian who made this, dumping some Massachusetts porn.
>>2403310Also, the fact that fucking MAINE is lower than AZ should have completely disqualified that map for anyone over the age of 12.
>>2403312Yes, those are called "Gay head cliffs", it's great, everybody makes jokes about it.
>>2401655Don't you have guns to turn in or something?>>2403208Why would I seethe fren? Come on out to Rural MA as long as you promise to vote for freedom.
This guy gets it. NH is one of the best /out/ places to live.
Californian with a grandpa who lived in PA. My fondest memories were riding his "four wheeler" around the woods for countless hours. You just pick a direction and there are trails for days.
Is Colorado only 7 because of the population? I'd bump it to an 8 if Montana is 8. Also, is there somewhere outside the US that's a 10? Alberta? Switzerland?
Nebraska deserves a 1. Check out highway 1 and the scottsbluff areas. Basically east Wyoming
>>2403422The numbers are literally just representing how much touristic development/popularity a state has and how much the average tourist is willing to spend to visit that state to hike. Alaska people will shell out thousands for specialty trips for. Much of the west coast is almost the same. It's not about scenic value it's literally just money and popularity.
>>2403424You'd have to have a pre-existing reason to BE in Nebraska to see Nebraska to which I say - why??!?!?
>>2403569>all those nuclear targets in Montana>even more near Cheyenne/Fort Collinsexplain
>>2403574that link is sussy im not clicking anything russian affiliatedjust tell me about it urself
>>2403578ok i tried
>>2403574>Chicagoland completely spared>NYC completely spared>MSP, STL, ATL completely spared>Montana completely fucked>Wyoming/Colorado border completely fucked>Minot AFB causes a quarter of ND to become wastelandUSAF Academy and Minot earned their nukes, but not nearly that kind of heat. Plenty of other targets earned a proper nuclear strike as well.
>>2397986yes, because every part of washington near me is overrun with (in order of disrespect for nature) californian, chinese and indian immigrants. The first litters and leaves dog shit bags, the second litters and leaves clothes shoes in rivers and trails, and the third parks like morons and has no trail etiquette. If we removed these three, WA would be 10/10 (eastern wa is a little better in this regard and is 8.5 imo, even if i prefer the woods i grew up in)
moving to wisconsin in a monthwhy is it only a five? that's disappointing
>>2403303Don't tell him that.
>>2403627this looks soooo boring....https://youtu.be/Ip9O16cwAwM
>>2400997If Shenandoah gets a 3 and half of the Smokies gets a 2 the Everglades isn't getting more than a 4, stop jacking off airboats
>>2403631This but unironically
>>2397986This is only accurate for specific /out/ activities mainly hiking, (though it does reflect the try hard pretentious westfag view that the appalachians are at best only serviceable, which is the viewpoint of one who has only visited the tourist attractions such as Mount Washington or Clingman’s Dome.) there are far better hiking trails in the area. In terms of fishing and kayaking the map is even less accurate. Also the attempt at appearing “tough to please” by not even allowing the top place to score a ten proves that the map is just to troll.
>>2399457For mountain hiking? Absolutely not. For everything else? Sure>>2401297This is true, because most of /out/ just assumes that all outdoor activities is mountain hiking they assume that states without any real elevation are not worth visiting. Now RI is really small and still has barely any hiking but it is a pretty area, the coast line is great and they probably have the best beaches of the entire northeast>>2402266Accurate>>2403303Sure the resorts suck but you obviously don’t back country>>2403310Mass should be a little higher but the eastern portion of the state does mostly suck for /out/ >>2403312Westfags have only been to Acadia Pic from Adirondacks